Liverpool Banter

15 Sep 2024 00:44:41
Finding the post match chat a bit revisionist.

I recall, many, MANY abject performances like this under Klopp and Mr. Intensity Ljinders

The application wasn’t there today

There was lots of room of improvement after our 3-0 start and no different after today’s performance and result.

15 Sep 2024 01:39:43
It's put a downer on everything for me mate, I was really chuffed the football was back and then we go and lose like that? it's done my head in because we should be beating them, we're miles better, we all know we are so why are we playing that badly? it makes no sense to me. I hope it's just a one off but I am concerned. Losing any points in this league, especially if you're near the top of the table, every single point is important and we're gifting Forest 3 points purely because the lads out there today couldn't do what they're capable of. I'll put it down to a bad day but it's not good enough. We need to step it up big time, if we don't we're in for a long season ahead.

15 Sep 2024 03:53:06
We still have no attacking patterns of play. Just reliance on improvised individual quality. Even against Man Utd, all three goals came from loose play in the middle of the park and counter-pressing rather than a coordinated, systematic attacking. Both goals against Brentford were counter-attacks as well.
Whenever we attack, the players don’t fully seem to know what to do, so there is a lot of split-second decision-making, which inevitably leads to poor decisions and scruffy finishing.
We were infuriatingly bad yesterday.

14 Sep 2024 21:21:01
I love Liverpool teams of the past and present, but the Brazil 1970 world cup team was by far the best team i have ever seen in my lifetime. Total football.

14 Sep 2024 22:08:48
Holland 74 n 78 came close to them . even though they lost the final twice on the trot, they had some team.

14 Sep 2024 22:28:41
Brazil 82 for me.

I’m wasn’t around in 1970.

14 Sep 2024 23:53:26
Wigan 2012 for me.

15 Sep 2024 00:00:21
In my lifetime (1989-Present) it has to be the Brazil 2002 World Cup team. They could have managed themselves and still won it that year, they were just that good.

In terms of club football, it's difficult to look past Barcelona from 08-12.

15 Sep 2024 02:09:47
Liverpool under paisley had the best club football Barcelona could of Tikky takked themselves to sleep.

13 Sep 2024 21:40:05
Ed's

Appreciate that it is very early days, but any idea how Chiesa has settled in?

Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - bit early mate, everyone was away on international duty so it was difficult for him to settle in with his teammates this early on. Good signs though, he is working hard, was happy to train with whoever was left there from the youth teams, and just seems to be trying to impress right now.}

14 Sep 2024 01:32:55
I do wonder if we will get to see a glimpse of him today? hoping so. My word, proper football is finally back! that couple of weeks dragged like hell.

{Ed001's Note - and we play at a normal time on Saturday for a change.}

14 Sep 2024 07:42:59
Love the passion he has shown for the club and the genuine passion for playing at Anfeild
Can't wait to see him smash one top corner
. please note any area of the goal will be excepted and celebrated.

14 Sep 2024 08:25:28
I think his attitude and his application have always been great, even stuck playing out of position after recovering from a depressing injury he didn’t make a fuss, he hasn’t become a primadonna even after the Italian press made him out to be the next poster boy of Italian football and a potentially generational icon, pretty sure all his team mates at juve liked him a lot too.

14 Sep 2024 09:24:35
I’m excited to see Chiesa but the lads had zero pre season which is similar to that of Grav last season.

14 Sep 2024 10:43:18
I miss all the games bein on at 3. I'd rather the league not have as much money if we were to get back the traditional time on a Saturday and maybe just have 1 game on the Sunday.

14 Sep 2024 10:54:40
Yeah the last time we played at 3 on a Saturday was 6 months ago!

14 Sep 2024 11:17:26
Salah - thankfully we can only play at 12:30 4 times this season as it is limited. The way our fixtures have worked over the Klopp years has been a disgrace.

14 Sep 2024 11:46:42
Excited about Chiesa this will turn out to easily surpass the clever signing of Gary McAllister.

14 Sep 2024 11:47:39
Agreed, Lowe. It has been a disgrace mate. I was unaware we can only do 4 times this season at 1230 mind, that's good to know.

14 Sep 2024 11:49:13
Lowe1FC, I personally think they put us on 12:30 kick off's just to troll us and Klopp, it was that blatant at times.

{Ed002's Note - Whop is "they"?}

14 Sep 2024 11:57:09
It’s a by product of being such a massive club worldwide Lowe.

The 12.30 kick off gets millions of viewers in the far east and Australia and Liverpool are the biggest draw in that part of the world.

It’s frustrating and I’d even say it’s unfair the amount of 12.30 games we get, particularly after international breaks but on the flip side it generates interest in the club in areas of the world that aren’t normally awake to watch us live.

{Ed002's Note - Where do you get this nonsense from?}

14 Sep 2024 13:21:02
I'm from Singapore and the usual kick-off timing of 3pm is aired at 10pm here, so it's hardly bed time for us. Maybe Australia since it would be around midnight for them but not that difficult to stay up for, unlike CL games which are in the wee mornings.

Besides, fans would catch games regardless of what time it is if they really want to and interest in the club won't be lost just because of the kick-off timings not matching to our schedules here.

14 Sep 2024 13:52:02
So you people really think they are 'out to get us'? That's laughable, starting to sound as stupid as Ferguson in his heyday.

14 Sep 2024 14:23:51
Unfortunately if fans want their clubs paying hundreds of millions of pounds for players then giving them a king's ransom in wages then that money has to come from somewhere. Crazy kick off times, high ticket prices, expensive merchandise/ kits etc.
It's a vicious cycle with fans ultimately funding it.

13 Sep 2024 12:29:52
Arne Slot consistently impresses me. He appears to be extremely intelligent, articulate and handles the press flawlessly. He doesn't have the charisma or heart on the sleeve emotion of my hero Jurgen but maybe that's ok. Maybe that's better than ok. True tests yet to come but so far so very good.

13 Sep 2024 13:25:05
If Arne Slot went in with the charisma and extroversion that Klopp displayed, he’d have already been written off as a wannabe fraud.
He hasn’t tried to imitate or model Klopp in any way, and it is winning him the respect he needs. It’s more “Liverpool is probably the biggest job I’ll ever have, I need to go slowly and steadily but surely. ”
No sound bites for the media, no big claims, just consistent messaging and good results.

13 Sep 2024 13:28:48
Agree mate. I love Klopp but it was quite clear he had ran out of patience with the media for quite sometime and some of his pressers were a hard watch as they were awkward.

Slot seems to enjoy being in front of the camera talking about football and he’s extremely enjoyable to listen too.

Will be interesting to see if his demeanour changes when the difficult times arise.

Hats off to him though as he’s seemed to really hit the ground running as our new head coach.

13 Sep 2024 13:48:54
Up to now, Arne has been as close to flawless as you can be.

But let's be honest, we are still very much in a manager bounce period.

The real proof will be closer to the end of the season.


Having said all that, I too am loving everything about him so far from what he says, how he acts and what he is delivering on the pitch.

And while I have my reservations about Hughes and the upper team, Arne's appointment looks to be potentially a massive feather in their cap. But again only time will tell.

13 Sep 2024 16:49:25
Arne Slot is just what the doctor ordered for our team right now esp. after a legend like Klopp leaves the club. People have to understand that for a tone of the players in this squad, they have only had one voice in their ear and that is Klopp's. They have only known Klopp as a manager. According to Utd fans, that was a huge problem for them.

For Slot to come in with the type of humility and deference to his predecessor, recognizing where and what dressing room he was walking into and laying his markers on this team without ruffling any feathers and getting the players esp. the senior legends in that DR on board is the stuff of some top level communication and leadership skills, IMO. Top man, in my view.

13 Sep 2024 18:01:22
Slot Aced his first real test - slap United at their crumbling stadium, piling more pressure on his compatriot in doing so.
We won't begin to get a proper measure of Slot until he faces real adversity, but I suspect he'll keep a grip of his emotions and deal with whatever comes his way professionally.
I wonder who is the better tactician out of him and Rafa.

13 Sep 2024 20:08:07
Right Flash, how he copes with a run of bad results will tell us a lot.

13 Sep 2024 20:21:50
I’ve seen Slot for 3 games and I already know he’s better than Rafa Flash.

Rafa’s brand of football was some of the most boring I’ve watched as a Liverpool fan. He obviously had the CL runs in 2005 and 2007 and a good PL season in 2008/ 2009 but other than that it was like watching paint dry.

The guy had no charisma or personality and his team played that way. Everyone in their position and not allowed to express themselves. We should’ve won the league easily in 2009 but we drew too many games in the first 2 thirds of the season because of his negative tactics. The fact he’s been awful everywhere he’s gone since leaving us tells you everything.

I’ll always be thankful for Istanbul it was one of the best nights of my life but by 2010 I couldn’t wait to see the back of Rafa.

{Ed025's Note - im with you BP, bloody awful manager mate..

13 Sep 2024 23:00:43
Great point about Jurgen and the press conferences @JK23. There was one near the end when he was late getting to the meeting and one of his first comments was basically ‘who cares’. I just think he’d had enough.

14 Sep 2024 00:08:34
Becker’s Pecker
Benitez won two league titles with Valencia and a Champions League with a (very) unfancied Liverpool team. I have high hopes for Slot, but he hasn’t achieved anything even nearly comparable to that.
As for winning the league easily in 2009, we were up against a United team with a world class spine and an attack of Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez and Berbatov (yikes) . We had two freak talents in Gerrard and Torres (who missed critical periods of the season) but the teams were otherwise incomparable - other than Alonso and Arbeloa, United had more quality all over the pitch. To say we should have won the league easily is preposterous - Rafa’s tactics ensured we hardly lost a game but our lack of top-end quality meant we struggled to break down teams like Stoke.
I do agree that he’s not been great post-Liverpool (other than at Chelsea, surprisingly, where I thought he actually did very well) . The game seemed to leave him behind quite suddenly.

14 Sep 2024 08:15:26
I was comparing them based on tactical ability BP.
What was your opinion on Rafa after his first 3 games? A bit different to what it is now?
I've read quite a few interviews with players who say tactically Benitez was in a league of hs own. I think it's a bit premature to say Slot is a better tactician based on 270 minutes of football.
No argument on the man management side though.

14 Sep 2024 09:10:04
Slot ain't better than Rafa and neither is Rafa an awful manager. That's just OTT comments for no reason. Rafa is undefeated against Barcelona in his career for Valencia and for LFC. He won two la Liga titles in 3 years in the Galacticos era in Spain as well as an EL trophy before he came to us and won what he won with a CL to boot. Went to Napoli and was the only one challenging Juve in a true one team/ farmers' league and won several Italian Cups as well.

Tactically, he was a brilliant tactician. Go see what he did in that CL run in '05 where he tactically slapped teams like Juve under Capello (who had way better players than we did) and vs Chelsea in both games. Was he a disciple of free flowing footie? No way and neither was Houllier but they won trophie.

So let's not get carried away and start talking down his great achievements just cos some are over the moon about Slot. Let's relax and see what happens for that. As per Rafa, I think his career in terms of trophies won and quite underrated cos he has won everywhere he's been almost, IMO.

14 Sep 2024 09:26:59
was the only one challenging Juve in a true one team/ farmers' league

Under that definition could we know say the same about the Premier league?

14 Sep 2024 10:06:23
Amazing comment that Slot is already better than Rafa. heard some drivel on here but that takes the biscuit. Rafa won all kinds of titles/ trophies in different leagues . people might not like his style of play . but come on!

14 Sep 2024 12:02:26
Spot on, Stromsgodset. Took the biscuit for me, as well. We can all have opinions about his playing style and all that but let's not start talking down his great achievements and his career overall just to big up Slot. That's a no-no for me.

That is what a lot of rival fans do (won't name their clubs so as to protect the triggered) to Klopp and I can't stand that either as I just see it as some weak sauce, loser rhetoric so I'm not having that within my own club.

At the end of the day, Slot is going to have to go out there, compete and try to win to create his own legacy. Or fail on his own merits. It is what it is.

14 Sep 2024 12:29:34
Exactly Olired. Rafa was a great manager. hopefully Slot can be a great manager himself. but let's wait n see.

14 Sep 2024 12:29:34
Exactly Olired. Rafa was a great manager. hopefully Slot can be a great manager himself. but let's wait n see.

14 Sep 2024 13:56:15
I think it’s quite clear that managers have a sell by date and the game moves on without them.

There’s loads of managers out there over the years who were once deemed to be very good or above and they were unable to adapt or change as the game did.