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Best team moment: winning the 2005 European cup. and the 1989 fa cup final.

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02 May 2021 17:52:38
Carragher + Neville are a dangerous double act!


{Ed0666's Note - Sky need to reel them in they are starting to revel in their hubris. They think they are untouchable.

1.) 02 May 2021 18:02:03
Yeah it’s getting to the point where they’re more or less fuelling the fire.

2.) 02 May 2021 18:08:46
Both are guilty for fuelling this saying fans should storm stadia etc absolute disgrace police just doing their e jobs and being attacked by mindless “protestors” which apparently is ok as the fans were nice to Gary.

3.) 02 May 2021 18:11:05
Absolutely agree. Nevilles rants, while funny most of the time, boarder on inciting riots against Utd owners.

What’s worse is carragher tries to copy him, needs reeling in both of them.

{Ed0666's Note - They are reveling in their status of poster boys of the de-escalation of the ESL. It’s one thing to condone a breakaway league but to condone beating up policemen is another thing altogether.

4.) 02 May 2021 18:30:29
If it was trump it be a different reaction of course. Because it’s these two numbskulls it’s perfectly fine.
It will do no good whose got a spare 4 billion quid right now.

5.) 02 May 2021 18:40:51
the irony is they are both employees of Sky who started the downfall of football with the creation of the premier league. clowns the pair of them.

6.) 02 May 2021 18:53:19
Both been far too outspoken. Talk about biting the hand and the methodology that has made them both very wealthy, led by the PL breakaway from the FL in 1992. Massive hypocrisy.

How many fans are prepared to boycott football (or any sport) to bring owners, players, agents, media, etc. to their senses in terms of the massive amounts of money they make from our love of the game? Financial fair play is a massive issue and needs to be addressed but it won't ever be. Tickets, merchandise, TV costs will all continue to go up but the vast majority will keep paying for it. If fans want the game back, stop watching and supporting it. Stop watching players cheat and feign injury.

City's bench last night was unbelievable but it's also making a mockery of football. I made the comment that we overachieved last season some weeks back and i was slaughtered for it by some. My main point was that nobody should in theory be able to compete due to their "financial strength", and the fact that we did speaks volumes for what we achieved.

If we truly address financial doping, fees and salaries, then maybe we can take back some control. But do we have the strength to do that? Today was a start and I applaud the United fans, the violence and stadium trespassing excepted, for making a stand. Football belongs to the fans and it still will long after the current crop are retired. But in what form will it be? I believe we have the power to change things but do we have the will? I'm not sure that we do. How many fans will pass up on season tickets when they go on sale?

One more point on our players: how many of them were prepared to take a small pay cut to help out the club and keep staff employed? How much did the PL players raise for the NHS nurses? I've never seen figures. The owners aren't the whole problem; the players are greedy and are fueled by their agents.

7.) 02 May 2021 19:15:36
What got my back up was how Neville spun it round onto FSG too. We got our problems but he just trying to get us to riot the same or to deflect why drag us into it? Seen the videos of the plod getting bottles launched at them outside the ground imagine if that was anfield and our supporters he would be calling for us to be relegated.

8.) 02 May 2021 19:30:26
Clearly you never watched the Chuckle Brothers.

9.) 02 May 2021 19:30:47
Souness seed to be the only one who hit the the nail squarely on the head with regards to the historical reason as to why this has happened.

10.) 02 May 2021 19:19:19
I agree, Neville certainly thinks he some sort of sage, perhaps over confident in his own intellect at times.

{Ed0666's Note - there’s no doubt at seldom times he has some sagacious things to say but to endorse violence is ridiculous and sackable in my opinion. But Sky won’t because their petrified he goes to a rival. He’s not even a great pundit he’s just recognizable and experienced. Replace him with Kyle Martino whose less invested and so more objective

11.) 02 May 2021 19:47:37
If they didn't sack Carragher there's no chance they sack Neville. Sky think they're the best "double act" since Saint and Greavsie. They're wrong, very very wrong.

12.) 02 May 2021 19:49:17
Kyle Martino is an excellent pundit who understands the game really well. We've certainly missed him in the USA this year since he was replaced by Tim Howard who is clearly out of his depth.

Neville is concerned about money trickling down to his beloved Salford FC and losing his lucrative contract w Sky should the ESL happen. He's forgetting who his paymaster is at the moment and should be sacked for acting unprofessionally.

{Ed0666's Note - Martino would be persecuted by the Sky Pundits as he actually knows what he’s talking about. Tim Howard’s punditry is no better than his keeping. He’s got shiny new teeth tho

13.) 02 May 2021 20:26:27
Yeah he's a big miss. I know he's going through a family divorce so tough times for him. Not sure if that had much to do with him leaving.

{Ed0666's Note - I’m not sure the reason why Martino isn’t on NBCSN anymore but he’s a HUGE miss as he literally is the only one that knows what he’s talking about. Apart from Rebecca Lowe of course.

14.) 02 May 2021 20:57:02
The American football commentators are generally HORRIBLE but he's a standout exception.

15.) 02 May 2021 21:01:56
Ed0666: Rebecca Lowe is mesmerising with her beauty and her intellect.
She made a liverpool defeat not seem too bad and a victory all the more sweeter, she did have to put up with the 2 Robbies though so she did not have it all her own way!

{Ed0666's Note - how bad are the two robbies? It must be an insult to Rebecca having to listen to those two prattle on. If I was Sky I’d give Lowe an offer she can’t refuse to present their football coverage. The guy they have now is so lacking in charisma and vim.

16.) 02 May 2021 21:17:18
I think the ex united defender on there is pretty good too. Forget his name. Do you have to listen to this lot back home in England?

{Ed0666's Note - ex United defender??

17.) 02 May 2021 22:33:00
Danny Higginbotham. He was there for a bit.

{Ed0666's Note - I thought you meant hinginbottom but I don’t recall him playing for United. You are probably right though. To be honest with you mate he’s another one that lacks charisma and effervescence.

18.) 02 May 2021 23:20:55
I think he's done well since he came on. Howard tho. they're asking him to have a chess level of understanding and he's playing tiddlywinks.

{Ed0666's Note - Howard has to go he slows down the production and has no incision with his punditry.

19.) 03 May 2021 09:51:59
I don’t condone the violence, and neither did Carragher or Neville by the way, but the alternative is to let these leeches continue to rip the body and soul out of OUR game in their insatiable greed for money. Unfortunately, they laugh off peaceful protest and it doesn’t bother them one bit. The only thing that makes them sit up and take notice is when it hits them financially.

I was looking forward to the game as much as anyone but accept that some things are necessary in order to effect change. History has shown that. Football is not alone in the abuse of money and power against the masses. Similar action needs to be taken against this Tory government who, apart from the fiscal corruption, also have blood on their hands.

Rearranging the game 2 days before the Europa Cup final would be useful too.

20.) 04 May 2021 14:44:02
You guys are funny with the hate for the Robbies. They aren't *that* bad. They've taken a dip in form recently but a lot of punditry talking points are guided by producers too. The Robbie's were better when the overall production was better. That's what happens when a production is really good though, it gets noticed and people get lured way for better opportunities elsewhere. There aren't hardly any producers working for these shows that are content with just being producers, they want to have their own shows.

With that said, Kyle Martino's sabbatical has been a big loss for NBCSN, and having Tim Howard be his primary replacement reflects the types of decisions that NBC is making these days. Higgenbotham is alright though.

21.) 06 May 2021 08:22:52
Give Liam Rosenior a promotion to the EPL coverage. The best pundit on SKY by far.



28 May 2020 16:14:05
Ed002 do Hertha Berlin have any plans to sign Grujic permanently?
As a lfc supporter I have accepted his lfc career is over but I wondered if HB or any other clubs are interested, as sooner or later he is going to need to find a club he can call his proper home.
Thanks for all your updates and I hope you and your family are keeping safe and well.


{Ed002's Note - Thanks. Hertha Berlin would indeed like to sign Grujic at the right price.}



06 Dec 2016 08:31:21
eds is quincy promes a realistic target for January?


{Ed002's Note - This would be to replace Mance for three matches or so? Then what?

Quincy Promes has been watched over the past 18 months or so by Inters, Spurs, Chelsea, Manchester United, Newcastle, Liverpool, Dortmund, Al Ain and Southampton. Interest of Bayern Munich and Juventus (both of whom saw him as squad padding) was ended when quoted €32M by Spartak before Christmas 2015 but they became aware of a third party that might have a claim on the player and might need to be paid off. This has pushed the asking price to an unrealistic €45M - enought to make Spurs drop any thoughts about trying to negotiate a deal. A new contract has recently been signed but Spartak would be keen to sell in January.}

1.) 06 Dec 2016 16:09:49
By spartak buying ALEXANDR SAMEDOV does that move the QUINCY PROMES transfer on or am I barking up the wrong tree.

{Ed002's Note - Read the post.}

2.) 06 Dec 2016 16:17:39
Holy Mackeral!

3.) 06 Dec 2016 17:00:00
Hello Ed,
A few rumours floating around of our interest in Virgil Van Djik and his rumoured 25M£ release clause. Is the price tag true?

{Ed002's Note - I don't know about the release clause but there will be enough interest in him from clubs that the price will likely run higher.}

4.) 06 Dec 2016 17:41:48
ed002 thanks for the reply, this site is the reason I don't buy newspapers. Safe travels, thanks for your time.

{Ed002's Note - You are very sweet - do you have an aunt still alive?}

5.) 06 Dec 2016 23:57:58
Azmoun or Quincy, which one is better?

6.) 06 Dec 2016 22:47:58
I've been reading this site since it was just football-rumours. My first ever post is purely because that is my favourite ever ed002 response of the last eight years!

7.) 08 Dec 2016 16:49:58
LEEKUANYEW, PROMES is a better more end product and assists, an all-round better player, AZMOUN would probably struggle to get game time with us.

8.) 09 Dec 2016 13:41:10
Never watched Quincy play tbh with ya, but I can tell you if his Fut 17 card is anything to go by he's one hell of a player;)



25 Jul 2016 00:34:28
Rumours gathering pace that Liverpool will make one final offer of £8m to Leicester for ben chilwell.


1.) 25 Jul 2016 07:14:34
I love it when rumours gather pace 😅.

2.) 25 Jul 2016 09:47:28
Not seen him myself, but happy to go with all what people say. If we don't get him now and he plays well next season for whoever he could be worth the kind of fee Luke Shaw went for? He wants to come so let's get it done so we can move on, as I think that might be our lot! Would just be mainly selling or maybe a few kids?

3.) 25 Jul 2016 11:29:45
I've no problem with bringing Chilwell in but only if he's one of 2 left backs coming in.
By all accounts he has great potential but at 19 and with very little appearances under his belt is he suitable backup/ replacement for Moreno.
I believe Moreno is our weak link however perhaps Klaven can fit in there when needed.

4.) 25 Jul 2016 12:07:11
Don't worry too much about little prem experience. Rob Jones, Jon Flannaghan, Luke Shaw etc etc the list goes on. Young quality can do well and it's no different to buying an expensive 'known' full back from Spain, France or Brazil as they too have no prem experience and can also fail.

If people in the game who have seen players come through and know their stuff tip this guy then it should be enough.

He could be bad just as much as he could be amazing, that can be anyone we bring in, so just trust it's a good choice and we have good coaches,

5.) 25 Jul 2016 13:32:38
I wouldn't expect him to come straight in and replace Moreno, more challenge Moreno to up his game abit and give him maybe the same amount of game time as Smith last season and perhaps replace Moreno next season.

6.) 25 Jul 2016 13:58:29
Watched him vs Celtic and he`s already better than Moreno, the worst defensive liability I`ve ever seen.

7.) 25 Jul 2016 14:34:58
Willems is the better than chillwell imo though bc does have great potential.

8.) 26 Jul 2016 01:04:32
to anyone saying moreno is worst left back ever, can noone remember konchesky? although i do agree he isn't good enough, let's not put him that low.

9.) 26 Jul 2016 09:57:04
Worst left back has got to be Julian dicks for those of us who can remember.



16 May 2016 16:04:40
reports coming from Germany that loris karius has agreed terms with Liverpool, know anything about this ed? also it seems to me that klopp already has his targets in mind as we are not wasting time in getting players in, getting them out could be a bit trickier I feel. Roll on Wednesday the mighty reds in a European final again has a nice ring to it, winning the final will of course change the way we view the season and also return us to the champions league, where we have some making up to do after what happened the last time we were in it.


{Ed002's Note - I don't know any detail just that he was going to be more likely than Horn or ter Stegen. He is not a player Liverpool has shown any interest in during the season although it was thought that they could turn to him. Everton have looked at him on several occasions and Dortmund are looking for a replacement for Weidenfeller who can push Burki and are again looking at Karius. Spurs looked whilst there were concerns over Lloris not renewing his contract.}

1.) 16 May 2016 16:16:07
thanks for the reply ed002.

2.) 16 May 2016 20:14:44
hi does anyone no if it will be as 2choice or replace migs not seen anything of him a report off anyone would be good wats his good attributes cheers.

3.) 16 May 2016 20:34:28
Ed002 has said for a long time that we are looking for a keeper to challenge Mignolet mike g so there's your answer.

4.) 16 May 2016 18:26:26
Someones having fun on wiki - apparently Karius is 3.6m tall - should be able to command his box then lol.




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02 May 2021 17:52:38
Carragher + Neville are a dangerous double act!


{Ed0666's Note - Sky need to reel them in they are starting to revel in their hubris. They think they are untouchable.

1.) 02 May 2021 18:07:48
It was quite inciting at times. they should be condemning it now pouring fuel on the fire.

2.) 02 May 2021 18:15:54
I'm sorry but that was not protesting in my eyes. There is a marked difference between thuggery and a protest.

3.) 02 May 2021 18:19:51
Really they shouldn’t have been discussing it whilst it was still a live broadcast and an ongoing problem.

You could see that a lot was being left unsaid from all involved.

It was telling neither Jamie or Gary properly condemned the actions. If anything they have encouraged more of the same.

4.) 02 May 2021 18:20:11
Agree WYred. They’re both taking it too far with how strong some of there words. Be interesting to see if they’d be joining the protests if they wherent already busy being paid by the broadcasters.

5.) 02 May 2021 18:26:14
Irish 95% were peaceful outside, the 5% weren't but they just weren't being smart about how they spoke.

Acting like the ones in side were acting peacefully just encourages the behaviour.

6.) 02 May 2021 18:26:56
Sky Sports and their presenters pander to trends on social media now. Gary Neville was encouraging other fans to do the same. Personally I don't think it was anything to do with the super league or Glaziers, it was because other fans done it two weeks ago when they had no home game.

{Ed0666's Note - Garry Neville said United haven’t won the title in 8 years and the trading ground isn’t in the top 5 in the country anymore. What he fails to see or is blinded by is that the bazillions the owners have pumped into the club to facilitate transfers but it’s been the ineptness of the managers, scouts and board that have failed the fans.

7.) 02 May 2021 18:40:45
Bang on 666, plus they hate the owners because they have taken money out the club, what do they expect from the next lot?

They are all clamouring for new owners but they need to be richer then the last so they can get them the trophies they desire.

It's all a horrible loop that is all centered around money and unfortunately as much as we hate it, that's what football is about now, business and generating more money to buy better players to win better trophies and the cycle goes on!

{Ed001's Note - MUST and the Red Knights are who they expect to be the next lot. So their supporters' trust along with some exceptionally wealthy United fans. So what they expect is them to not just siphon off hundreds of millions of pounds from the club.}

8.) 02 May 2021 18:45:45
100% ed.
Same old Red Army like in the 70s when they caused mayhem after getting relegated. Two weeks ago the fans were united in their protests, It was about football. That today was about hooliganism.

9.) 02 May 2021 19:18:01
Surely you can’t think the Glazers have put their own money into funding transfers?

{Ed0666's Note - does it matter if debt is leveraged or loaned by the owners. It’s still gotta be paid back. You think FSG are gonna forgive the money they’ve loaned the club?

10.) 02 May 2021 19:34:19
But are they in a position to buy them Ed001? I don't know enough about the proposed new owners but the vast majority of businesses take money out at the very top. And its not like they haven't invested they have just spent on the wrong players.

Apologies if I have the wrong end of the stick Ed, I just feel that fans want the 50+1 is a pipe dream as these clubs would cost so much surely there is only a select few that could afford these clubs.

{Ed001's Note - they have been trying to convince the Glazers to sell for about 9 years. As for the Glazers, they have invested nothing at all. Not a single solitary penny. They have in fact siphoned off hundreds of millions from the club, which has lowered the amount available to spend on players.}



02 May 2021 16:39:34
Lets stop kidding ourselves regarding wealthy owners being in charge of our football clubs.
Firstly unless a very tempting offer comes across there desk as regards to a buyout they are going nowhere.

Secondly they understand the Psychology of the average football fan who can quickly forget what they are protesting about when a shiny new number 9 gets paraded in front of the press.

Thirdly you don't want to buy a match day ticket or even a season ticket there are plenty people who do, let's get real there will never be a day once fans are let back in that Anfield will be below capacity.

Let me be clear i am not against letting the owners know you are not happy but what we witnessed today at Old Trafford is not the answer, the answer is to cough up £4b and run the club yourself.

Football has got itself into this mess with its never ending thirst for greed, meanwhile iconic football clubs have gone bust never to return.

Dont fool yourself either that we have heard the last of the ESL idea, is it not ironic that the naughty big 6 are all posting record losses, losses that would be offset by joining the league and allowing the owners to buy those superstars all the fans are craving.

As for fans of clubs who were not asked to join, don't kid yourselves if your teams owners were asked they would have eagerly took the chance to swell there bank balances and increased there initial cash investments.

Simply put the day football stopped being a sport and became a business was the day football died.

It is only going to get worse from here not better.

I Do hope i am proven wrong given time but sadly i don't think i will be and i can totally understand those fans who have fallen out of love with the game they were brought up on- all in the name of progress i might add.


1.) 02 May 2021 16:55:20
If protesting made no difference they wouldn’t be trying to ban it.

2.) 02 May 2021 17:29:29
So basically what you are saying is if you are not a multi billionaire you just need to shut up and keep quiet?

3.) 02 May 2021 17:40:27
Was looking at the list of most valuable leagues world wide and the NFL MLB AND NBA are worth more than than all the football leagues including UCl. I'm sorry I think it is inevitable that ESL happens. The real money is in tv and streaming now. I have a family of 5 and can't take them to see my Steelers play. But we can watch them together with the rest of the family weekly.

Just like the majority of LFC supporters will never be able to attend a match at Anfield, they will pay to watch them however we can. I would certainly pay to watch them in any comp (already do) .

I am not naive enough to think that sports today is anything but big business.

And I want my teams to win and get the best players. For LFC that means ESL.

Matt in FL.

4.) 02 May 2021 17:46:05
No Thunderbird 2 i am not saying that at all, there is a right way and a wrong way of doing things and what we witnessed today was appalling behavior from a handful of utd fans who have dragged the name of Man utd through the mud.

Wealthy ownership is not going away any time soon.
The Premier league and its greed has bought us all to this, oh and let's not forget Uefa's wonderful expansion of its european competitions that is designed to milk more money from the fans of the game.

5.) 02 May 2021 18:35:51
The game has more potential options than esl or bust . Fans calling for superstar players? No, fans call for success . The players are a major part but as teams have shown innovation, shrewd investment, clear vision with top line infrastructure will have you competing for honours . UEFA needs dealing with as does the FA, but the fans can look to their clubs for the main source of their trouble ( debt, poor recruitment, irresponsible financial dealings, etc) . Harping on about a system that is unfair as the only solution is narrow minded at best . Look at Dortmund as an example of what can be done the right way.

6.) 02 May 2021 17:20:36
not the protesting they are banning it is the vandals who wreck private and public property.

7.) 02 May 2021 19:55:39
King Kenny, as football supporters this is the last chance to take back the game we love. As long as protests don’t turn violent I don’t have a problem with any of it.

8.) 02 May 2021 21:06:44
On that point Thunderbird 2 i 100% agree with you.

9.) 03 May 2021 00:31:31
I don't understand the joy of 12 teams having the best players in the world. I don't relate to the bragging rights of which club has spent more than the other. The sport is secondary in that scenario because the competitiveness is in the money and transfers and less about what's on the field.
None of it replaces local rivalries, historical grudge matches, FA Cup fairy stories or even local players getting into the side. How much of Liverpool the city will be part of the club when LFC play in a billion dollar super league? The likes of Curtis Jones will soon get replaced by a shiny new Brazilian midfielder. May as well call us the Anfield Tigers or something and be done with it.

{Ed0666's Note - The Anfield Tigers does have a ring to it



04 Apr 2021 15:07:38
No matter what happens next season injury wise, i just hope that defenders play in defence and midfielders play in midfield.

The signing of Jota has been a brilliant piece of business by klopp and there is no doubt in my mind that had he not have been injured for 3 months we would have had many more points on the board.

TAA: what a way to respond to being snubbed by england, still if Gareth does not want creativity in his side that's his loss and before any body starts banging on about his ability to defend- Reality check the modern day defenders have no clue what defending is about.

Once again Nat Phillips who is all about defending old school wise and Ozan Kabak were excellent as a pairing they should only be split up now if one gets injured or suspended.

The partnership between Fabinho and Thiago is growing by the game, just having Fab in midfield has helped Thiago play his natural game and Milner who missed a sitter and ended up playing left back showed his versatility to the side.

Up front Salah once again showed how important he is in terms of finishing off chances although he could have had a hat-trick.

I thought Mane battled gamely but its plain to see he badly needs a goal as his confidence is very low atm as is firmino's although he had a lot more room to work in when klopp bought on Jota and we had all 4 attackers on the pitch.

As for Klopp he was more like his old self in the way we pressed and i loved his bravery with the 1st sub: Robbo off- Jota on.

A performance that showed why we are the current champions and with a bit of tweaking squad wise in the summer there is no doubt in my mind we will be challenging next season for the title.

In the meantime: roll on Tuesday!


1.) 04 Apr 2021 15:35:10
This defenders must play in defence thing is just revisionism that ignores how dire the injury crisis was.
It would’ve been Rhys Williams and Nat Phillips at CB, both as raw as an onion to PL football and a situation almost guaranteed to bring tears to your eyes to boot.
The only shame of it was that it happened to be our two best midfielders who had to step in and, as has been pointed out, they were often covering for the other”s absence in doing so.
You can’t blame Klopp in any way I feel, the sheer amount of injuries and games just became too difficult to properly master.

2.) 04 Apr 2021 16:01:37
Yes correct Juicer the choice at one time became Williams and Phillips which would never have worked.

3.) 04 Apr 2021 16:35:25
Defenders play in defence and midfielders play in midfield. Yet there’s still some calling for Trent and Bobby to play in midfield.

{Ed001's Note - Bobby was a midfielder for large portions of his career, then he got moved into attack. Fabinho was a right-back for a large portion of his career. Players do change positions over the course of their career. Milner was a winger for most of his.}

4.) 04 Apr 2021 16:50:33
Actually Juicer, Klopp has made mistakes, the game against Southampton (just as an example) played both Henderson and Fabinho in defence when Phillips was available, Literally gave it to them on a plate. The cup game against United, playing Williams over Phillips was a shocking decision, he gifted them the win with some poor defending, the game against Burnley he pucker Matip and Fabinho instead of Phillips (a game almost made for Phillips), the game against Everton, starting Henderson in defence instead of midfield pretty much gave Everton the game. Klopp has made mistakes and it’s not revisionist to say that, it is revisionist to say that Klopp has not made mistakes, the important thing is that he’s learned from that and is now playing an actual centre back partnership with a proper centre midfielder in Fabinho in front of them, I can see us catching Chelsea and I can see Leicester imploding so top four is doable.

5.) 04 Apr 2021 17:02:41
Ed001 understand that mate and versatility is a great thing. I won’t mind seeing Bobby in midfield (the 10 role) if we change to the 4231 formation but not sure on him being in there in our 433. Same as Trent. He’s world class at right back. Moving him into midfield would take a lot away from us down the right hand side. Mines only an opinion though. Interesting to see what Klopp does especially when all players are fit. I think Hendo being out might make it easier to go to 4231 but when he comes back then regardless of the formation at least one of our big guns will have to drop out.

{Ed001's Note - I agree with you, but the reason Klopp has brought in players like Thiago and Jota is to enable options in the way we play. We won't play the 4-3-3 every week.}

6.) 04 Apr 2021 17:17:37
We all know what type of player Klopp prefers and his style of football is both successful and highly entertaining.
Phillips never fitted into that, so we can’t blame Klopp for adhering to his principles.
Rather, that Phillips has done himself proud and grown hugely in a short space of time.
A part of this has been down to Fabinho and Henderson helping him out I think.
What would have happened to Phillips if he’d have got torn to shreds in his first couple of matches partnering RW in centre defence?
The best thing you can say is that Phillips has made Klopp and a lot of people now think twice. I’d have no problem at all if he stays at Liverpool and, equally, if he wins a contract to start somewhere else.
Ed001 always preferred him, I didn’t I must admit.

7.) 04 Apr 2021 18:42:44
Agreed Ed001, it’s incredibly frustrating to hear people accuse Klopp and the club for being complacent, for not adding what was necessary. They added exactly what was needed in the summer, finding two players who couldn’t have fitted the description for our needs better. The only thing is they haven’t had the chance to show it at all, due to injuries and disruption.

I think most rival fans will be shocked to see a very different Liverpool during the run in. Round pegs in round holes, a stable centre back pairing, the ceasing of injuries leading to a less fatigued squad that is able to rotate, along with key players like Fabinho and Jota returning, it all hopefully points to a good run of form that nobody else will expect. Even the nonsense refereeing decisions against us seem to have subsided for the time being. Notice how Thiago put in an obviously great performance, yet the moronic rival fans calling for his head (none of whom ever seem to have watched him play) have suspiciously disappeared.

The people who’ve been kicking us while we’re down are fearful, and they should be.

{Ed001's Note - glad someone else saw how good Thiago was, he ran that game.}

8.) 04 Apr 2021 18:45:08
Its ok people saying Phillips this Philllips that NOW! The blokes doing well and were calling him Nat Van Dijk. But AT THE TIME no one, including meself thought he was good enough for Lfc. It would only take for Benzema to roast Nat on Tuesday for a lot of his new biggest fans to turn on him, and it would be back to "how could klopp go into the season with just VVD, Gomez, Matip andthe likes of Phillips.

9.) 04 Apr 2021 21:03:15
Anyone who would turn on Phillips should that happen on Tuesday, ought to hang their head in shame. He’s not VVD, no one should expect him to be at that level, but that lad has barely put a foot wrong. He’s massively stepped up to the plate, hasn’t crumbled under the pressure he’s been under and playing with various partners. He’s headed everything and I think his positional play has in the main been pretty spot on. He’s a case of someone grabbing his chance with both hands, as I say I’m not saying he’s the best centre back in the league but I think he is playing as the best version of himself. I wish Klopp had kept faith with him earlier in the season and we’d had fab in midfield, what a difference having him back in centre mid has made, I am delighted for Philips and I think he’s proven himself capable of a career in premier league football.

10.) 04 Apr 2021 21:52:16
OP, I have no idea what point you are trying to make with your first paragraph even tho I agree with your overall point. Are you saying Klopp played mid’s out of position to make some stupid point or to make him look like a genius? I’m sure you know we had an injury crisis that we only had Phillips and Rhys at CB’s left in the squad or did you miss that?

Sorry but that part of your post is just revisionist/ hindsight schtick that literally meant nothing then and definitely means nothing now. We all knew the crisis we were in at the time and those coming on here now to say Klopp made mistakes playing midfielders at CB are just like pundits: Lecturing everyone just to sound like geniuses after all the facts have been known. When Klopp leaves, such people should apply for the job so they can grace us with their enormous “managerial acumen”.

11.) 04 Apr 2021 22:06:31
I agree with 6 times, Klopp and the coaching team have made mistakes. Playing midfielders in defence was most definitely a mistake, it's not revisionism as a lot of people called it while it was happening and yes at 1 stage maybe for 2 games that would have meant Phillips and Williams but I would argue with Fab in front of them it would still have been a better option! Phillips was always better then Williams could never understand why Williams was ahead of him an obvious mistake by Klopp and his coaching staff as Phillips is now being picked regularly ahead of Williams. Jotas injury was also avoidable. Fabinhos form in midfield only further highlights the error of playing him as a CB.

12.) 04 Apr 2021 23:44:55
I don't know how Klopp keeps his job with all the experts on here knowing better than him.

13.) 04 Apr 2021 23:53:44
I stand by my opening comment fellow reds. Play defenders in defence and midfielders in midfield.

Fabinho has come out and said how he did not enjoy playing in defence and i am sure Henderson would agree if asked.

If we had a situation where Nat Phillips and Rhys Williams were our centre back partnership i agree that would not have been a ideal situation, however they would have been massively helped by us having the strongest midfield we could field, Having Fabinho and Henderson in there would have offered more protection to the rookie back line.

Having said all this what's done is done and in the words of Tony Soprano : its best to let sleeping dogs lie.

Appreciate all the feedback. I love reading all the comments. Happy Easter everybody!

14.) 05 Apr 2021 08:14:21
He keeps his job because he is a fantastic manager who has done a brilliant job at our club. That doesn't mean he hasn't made mistakes this season.

15.) 05 Apr 2021 09:49:07
DKenny, and what mistakes are those? And mistakes according to who and what? Hindsight? People acting like geniuses after all the facts are known? Nobody can say Klopp made mistakes cos none of those saying it, have the information and empirical metrics needed to make such decisions that he had at the time so you saying he made mistakes or me saying he did is based on absolutely nothing concrete. Klopp did what he thought was best based in the info he had and that is that.

I don’t claim to be a genius nor an “I told you so” but it seems many on here want to be that from a position of ignorance of the information that Klopp had at the time. Seriously, I wonder how Klopp can hold on to his job with the experts here lecturing him about what he should have done from a position of ignorance and hindsight.

16.) 05 Apr 2021 11:18:51
Revisionist word of the day on someone’s toilet roll?

17.) 05 Apr 2021 20:02:25
Klucas87, is that where you write your words of the day?

18.) 05 Apr 2021 20:20:18
I watched every single game that LFC played last year. And I honestly feel we lucked out by very small margins in many of the games to end up with the kind of record we had. We were still better than anybody else and therefore more than deserving of the title. But the point is that we had some luck on our side. And then the summer ended and Klopp and Edwards decided to face the season with only 3 senior CB's on the books. They tried to buy but were either restrained by lack of funds or lack of availability of the right player. Bought Jota and Thiago instead. Not a bad decision at all, one would think. One of the CBs (VVD) played every single game since 2 years, and the other 2 were alternating being available (between injuries) well enough. And Fabinho could be counted on to come in whenever needed for a game here and there (because that's how much we used Lovren as the 4th CB) . And probably the luck would continue also.

And then the luck went away. VVD went out for the season. Gomez went out for the season. And then even while being on top of the League at Christmas, Matip went out for the season a bit later. Fabinho stepping in for a game here and there was not enough. Henderson had to be marshalled in too, because the young guns were either not fully ready or good enough. That left a hole in midfield. A dysfunctional defense and midfield ended up affecting the attack too. Basically your typical domino effect. The confidence took a huge hit. And all kinds of errors started creeping in. We looked like a different team from the year before. And to add to the misery the stands have been empty since a year.

I'm not saying it's Klopp's and Edwards' fault for not bringing in a 4th CB. Hindsight is always 20/ 20. I think they both made a well studied decision based on the analytics and their experience in management (and they know helluva lot more than us keyboard warriors no matter how many years we have been watching the game) . I just think that it was a big risk to take (and they knew it) and the club has had to pay for the risk that was taken. Nobody on this planet could have foreseen a C.V. resulting in a shorter season, games closer together, empty stands, and greater physical demands on all players. But imagine one of Fabinho and Henderson staying in midfield, not having to play a single game at CB, and how many of the 9 games we have lost could have ended differently then? And imagine a 4th CB (who could have been bought in the summer) playing with one of Henderson or Fabinho until Kabak was bought in January. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Philips or Williams. They've done the best they could have and their efforts have to be appreciated, but they're clearly not good enough to backup senior CBs for a title winning team (my opinion), nor do they give Klopp what he wants. Kabak, in my opinion, can be as good as Gomez in a year or two, playing and training with VVD. I just think the club could have done a better job with risk management, especially with a title to defend.

19.) 05 Apr 2021 20:24:30
KK7, then that would make Fab a hypocrite cos after the Ajax game away in the CL, he said that he enjoyed playing CB and would not mind playing there till the end of the season if needed. He said so right after the game where he was voted MOTM. So was he a hypocrite then or is he a hypocrite now? So your first premise has been totally dismantled.

Secondly, you say that having Phillips and Williams while not ideal, would have been better with Fab in midfield. Clearly, That did not occur to Klopp till you brought it up. Also, how would that have helped. In the Spurs game with Fab and Williams in defence and Hendo in DM, ALL the chances in open play for Spurs including the goal came from Williams side. He was being targeted for fun even with Hendo at DM. Putting a Phillips who is much better now than he was then, next to a vulnerable Williams would have been a disaster under those circumstances. We won the game yes BUT what happened, happened.

All on all like you said, it is in the past BUT I do not like is the constant revisionist history going on here on this topic as if the rest of us where in a coma when stuff was hitting the fan in real time and not paying attention. Hindsight means nothing to me. Never has. Never will. Cheers, bro. Love your posts.



29 Mar 2021 13:29:16
If this season has taught us one thing its you can never have enough centre backs.

Normally i would be very happy that Liverpool have been linked with such a quality player, but i have to say i am alarmed by his recent injury record.

On this basis i would pay the money for Kabak and keep Phillips.
As for the players we no longer need we must not price them out of a transfer this year, let them go and have a career elsewhere.

Lastly if i was in charge i would make this the last year of Salah, Mane and Firmino, we have done well with jota and i accept we won't be buying Mbappe or Haaland but they are not the only strikers on the planet who could refresh our attack.

Just as long as ADAMA does not come oiling himself up in the liverpool kit i will be very happy indeed.

Lastly does anybody on this site seriously think we will see Ben Davies play for liverpool? why he did not join celtic just baffles me.


1.) 29 Mar 2021 13:51:40
Klopp, wages city and all its goodies. The attraction speaks volumes about King Kenny, I don't think we will see him play. Like you rightfully said at the start of your post, we do need rotation at CB, whether his quality tickles your fancy is another fish to fry. I would think Klopp and his buddies are finally happy with settle back 4.

2.) 29 Mar 2021 14:08:02
I’ve seen reports that Kabak is actually valued at close to 30 mill rather than the 20 mill we have agreed to pay if we take up the option. That tells me that we might actually sign him as not only is he young but he will have a resale value in the future if it doesn’t work out. Most fans favour Phillips over Kabak but In my opinion i believe Klopp is of the opposite opinion and we might actually sell Phillips to raise the fund to pay for Kabak. Or Davies could be the one sold to make a quick profit on what we paid for him in Jan. Only time will tell.

3.) 29 Mar 2021 14:49:58
Kabak will only retain that valuation if he continues to play though. if we sign konate he will be 4th choice at best.

4.) 29 Mar 2021 16:08:08
Glad we have Kabak on loan so that we can play our midfielders in midfield again, however from what I've seen of him so far I wouldn't say we definitely should be looking to sign him permanently.

Still plenty matches left to play and he is young but I don't know is he a bit rash and seems to be caught out quite a bit. He gets himself out of trouble half the time with his speed so maybe he just needs more time to settle and more coaching to cut down on the frequency of being out of position.

5.) 29 Mar 2021 16:51:01
Den that’s very true about Kabak needing to play to retain that valuation. On the subject of Kabak I think he’s done ok since coming in. He’s actually done a little better every game he’s played so hopefully that continues. The one thing he has on his side is age. He’s still only 21 and has played CL football at Gala at 18 and Budesliga the last 2 seasons. Compare that to our other defenders and at that age Vvd was playing for Groningen, Matip was also at Shalke, Gomez was with us Be it playing LB, RB or CB, Phillips was playing reserve football and Davies was at Fleetwod on loan. Could probably look at lots of other centre half’s out there and see if they were ripping it up at the age of 21 as well because not many spring to mind without researching it.

6.) 29 Mar 2021 17:27:04
Let’s just see what Kabak and Phillips can do this season before we write either one off.

7.) 29 Mar 2021 18:12:39
As I have said before, Kabak and Phillips are pretty much auditioning for a spot at CB right now due to the amount of CB’s currently in the books. The only diff is that one is free and the other will cost money. I also think if Kabak does not make it here, some Bundesliga club will sign him cos I do not believe for one second that he will follow Schalke into relegation. Same with Phillips. A PL or newly promoted club club could take him on if he is the one to go. We shall see.

It will b interesting to see which of the two gets kept or maybe both could be kept depending on Matip being moved on and uncertainty inhoud both VVD and Gomez will come back from their injuries cos no one really knows right now.



19 Mar 2021 11:21:16
I normally could not care less who Gareth Southgate picks for england duty but the fact that he has dropped Trent, a player who has achieved more in 2 seasons than Southgate ever will, yet has picked lingard just shows how limited this mans brains are.
There is no doubt this season Trent's form has dipped but as he showed on monday night he can DEFEND when called upon and he still has not lost that amazing passing quality that can cut teams apart, hopefully he will get a nice hug from Klopp and not let this affect him going forward.
Before anybody mentions it yes i know lingard does not play right back but the fact that he is back in the england set up on the back of a couple of performances for west ham shows exactly why under this F. A yes man england will win nothing.


1.) 19 Mar 2021 12:05:48
I'm not an England fan, or a lingard fan but England consistently pick plagers at big clubs rather than players on form. Lingard has been great since going to West ham and probably deserves a call up.

{Ed077's Note - good comment. Lingard has been playing really well for WHU and the likes of Grealish and Maddison are injured.}

2.) 19 Mar 2021 12:25:06
Southgate stills thinks he plays for Man Utd and Maddison was not getting picked when he was inform and not injured.




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02 May 2021 21:01:56
Ed0666: Rebecca Lowe is mesmerising with her beauty and her intellect.
She made a liverpool defeat not seem too bad and a victory all the more sweeter, she did have to put up with the 2 Robbies though so she did not have it all her own way!


{Ed0666's Note - how bad are the two robbies? It must be an insult to Rebecca having to listen to those two prattle on. If I was Sky I’d give Lowe an offer she can’t refuse to present their football coverage. The guy they have now is so lacking in charisma and vim.



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17 Sep 2020 17:30:12
As Hailstones has already pointed out surely Milot Rashica would be a better cheaper alternative.




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30 Aug 2020 20:05:57
in other words pay up or shut up.




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10 Jul 2020 14:44:31
will he still do the hendo shuffle though?




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10 Jul 2020 03:43:29
It is bad news, but its also a chance for one of our other midfielders to stake a claim.
Could this mean more game time for Curtis Jones?
What we will miss is his leadership qualities, Henderson has very high standards and he is not shy in dishing out the verbals when those standards are not met by his teammates.
VVD if he is the new captain needs to be just as vocal as Henderson is.


{Ed0666's Note - I would have thought the fab, Gini, Keita three would get more game time as oppose to Curtis Jones stepping up into the starting eleven.




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02 May 2021 21:06:44
On that point Thunderbird 2 i 100% agree with you.




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02 May 2021 17:46:05
No Thunderbird 2 i am not saying that at all, there is a right way and a wrong way of doing things and what we witnessed today was appalling behavior from a handful of utd fans who have dragged the name of Man utd through the mud.

Wealthy ownership is not going away any time soon.
The Premier league and its greed has bought us all to this, oh and let's not forget Uefa's wonderful expansion of its european competitions that is designed to milk more money from the fans of the game.




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02 May 2021 17:39:26
Spot on Juicer, you have nailed it nicely.




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02 May 2021 16:11:26
OP who are you trying to kid with your silly statement regarding the chelsea and Man city owners regarding there involvement in the ESL? they readily agreed to join the ELS and will join it tommorow given the crazy money on offer.

The very fact LFC fans have not stormed the pitch or gone down to the training ground to protest does not mean they are not happy, The Owners are not there so why should the playing staff and Manager suffer?

The actions of these so called utd fans is a utter disgrace.

I would be interested to hear what Saint Rio and Gary Neville have to say about this given the self righteous rants we heard from both of them about the ESL.




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12 Apr 2021 01:43:33
To think it all went wrong After we won a match 7-0 is just mindblowing!
Yes i had dreams of back to back titles.


{Ed0666's Note - does no one dream of Meghan fox anymore???