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23 Jun 2021 11:28:28
Hi Eds, hopefully an easy question to answer (and I searched "signing u18"), why are we not allowed to sign the Ghanaian wonder kid but Sporting Lisbon are? Is it purely a work permit issue?

StEtienneAmen

{Ed002's Note - I have explained this already - the rules do not allow the transfer of the player before he is 18 unless it is between clubs in the same FA or countries covered by and calling out an agreement with the ACP states.}


1.) 23 Jun 2021 12:19:13
this has been such an odd continuous rumour that has spread across the fanbase like wildfire.

to get to the point of "we've signed him" yet as Ed says we aren't legally allowed to sign him.


2.) 23 Jun 2021 14:03:37
Thankfully it seems like we’ve had nothing to do with this.


3.) 23 Jun 2021 13:45:10
So not a level playing field and the French and Portuguese teams have an unfair advantage. Thanks for clearing that up.

{Ed002's Note - Rubbish. An unfair advantage goes to the sides who cheat.}


4.) 23 Jun 2021 15:21:55
Hi Ed002, I've seen your other replies on this topic too and there's one thing I'm not clear on. How were, for example, Jadon Sancho and Jude Bellingham able to join Borrusia Dortmund at the age of 17, given BD are under a different Football Association than Man City and Birmingham?

{Ed002's Note - The UK were in the European Union then and now they are not - and FIFA rules apply to transfers now - and they have changed.}


5.) 23 Jun 2021 15:57:39
Ah OK, thanks Ed002, I did wonder if the EU had anything to do with it. So does that mean that there won't be any other U-18 transfers between UK clubs and ones based in Europe (either way)?

{Ed002's Note - Not from EU to UK but the other way around is OK.}


6.) 23 Jun 2021 16:32:23
Effective date of Brexit was 31 January 2020 and UK ceased to be a part of the EU with immediate effect. Bellingham joined Dortmund on 20 July 2020.
Not sure what cheating has to do with any part of this. I am just remembering the Jon Obi Mikel saga (is he Norwegian or isn’t he? ) and the fact that UK clubs find it harder to sign young African players, whereas the French clubs do not. For example, the Spanish signs have a knack of signing the young South American stars but they share a common language. It is not a legal restriction.
UK clubs signing young African players does seem to be restricted somehow, how so?

{Ed002's Note - You don’t seem to understand - EU sides can still buy players from the UK. Obviously you don’t understand the situation with John Obi or other movement that are allowed. Cheating is what Liverpool have tried to excel at and have been repeatedly caught out. I don’t understand the question at the end. I have explained agreements exist. Maybe the rules continue not to be applicable to Liverpool.}


7.) 23 Jun 2021 17:50:38
Another Brexit bonus then Ed, eh?


8.) 23 Jun 2021 20:56:28
Ed002, I'm just trying to increase my understanding of the situation (not trying to condone cheating or anything of the like) . Could you please explain why the European sides can still sign British U-18s but British sides can't sign European U18s?

Also, I appreciate you're busy, but when you get a moment, could you also explain the other movements that you referred to in your reply to StEtienneAmen? How come, for example, Spanish/ Portuguese sides are able to sign so many young South Americans, for example, and French sides are able to sign so many young African players? Is it related to their former colonies and therefore agreements between the respective FAs, or am I barking up wrong tree?

{Ed002's Note - (a) Brexit - the UK backed out of the system. (B) African players fall under the Cotonou Agreement for some countries.}


 

 

02 May 2021 15:33:33
First Leeds fans, then Chelsea fans now Manchester Utd fans protesting and showing their displeasure and the power of unified voices.
For all of our posturing about having the best supporters, what have we done?
Especially considering that JW Henry was the chief instigator.
We moan about oligarchs ruining the game but not one of Abramovich, Man City nor PSG wanted to take part in the ESL. No, it was our owners that were prepared to sell the clubs soul and we have let them do it with barely a whimper.
The football this season has left me empty. This latest turn of events has left me ashamed.
I am done, this is the end of my love affair with football and LFC because I would not let someone I love treat me this way.
Adios amigos.

StEtienneAmen

1.) 02 May 2021 15:44:01
Stop being such a drama queen!


2.) 02 May 2021 15:45:05
There's a time and place to do it, the players and coaching side shouldn't be effected for something out of their control.

For the owners to listen you have to hit them in their pockets, a bit of bad PR won't do anything as their reputations are already through the floor due to the ESL plans.


3.) 02 May 2021 15:54:40
Let’s save it until we’re allowed back in the stadiums, no point giving the scumbags in the press any ammunition.


4.) 02 May 2021 15:57:17
No better way to flounce than to announce it. Why would we take over the pitch and cause disruption to the players and management? They've done nothing wrong. As has been said above hit the owners in the pockets, when fans are finally allowed back in then show the displeasure felt by boycotting the game. Only thing they'll understand or care about is the lack of money coming in.


5.) 02 May 2021 15:58:40
Not being a drama queen at all. Being an LFC fan used to mean something. Being from Liverpool used to stand for something. The amount of rubbish we have had to take over the years, some of it deserved, some of it not and we are letting FSG think they have our backing by staying silent while other fans are voicing their displeasure.
Agreed we should hit them in their pockets but that will not happen. Let’s wait and see what happens as soon as the season tickets go on sale.


6.) 02 May 2021 16:03:49
Pretty happy we haven’t acted like some of those Utd fans today to be honest.


7.) 02 May 2021 16:11:26
OP who are you trying to kid with your silly statement regarding the chelsea and Man city owners regarding there involvement in the ESL? they readily agreed to join the ELS and will join it tommorow given the crazy money on offer.

The very fact LFC fans have not stormed the pitch or gone down to the training ground to protest does not mean they are not happy, The Owners are not there so why should the playing staff and Manager suffer?

The actions of these so called utd fans is a utter disgrace.

I would be interested to hear what Saint Rio and Gary Neville have to say about this given the self righteous rants we heard from both of them about the ESL.


8.) 02 May 2021 16:18:28
We have been tarnished by fans in the past, man city's bus sticking out in particular, but these actions are often by a minority that use protests as a way to cause harm or damage.

There is a way to do it imo, and tbh I am not 100% sure what it is but it's not breaking in the ground or punishing players or staff for the actions of those right at the top of the club.


9.) 02 May 2021 16:19:14
Look im against super league but neither city, chelsea nor psg need money from sl. they have their own oil bank.


10.) 02 May 2021 16:20:42
If what Neville said about FSG is true then nobody on here who professes to love Liverpool FC in anyway shape or form should darken the doors of Anfield until they're gone. Nobody. Keep it empty until they're gone.

{Ed0666's Note - what did Neville say about FSG...?


11.) 02 May 2021 16:36:36
Neville is being disingenuous here. He’s been pretty much supportive of the Glazers up until the ESL debacle.

{Ed0666's Note - Neville and disingenuous are two words that go hand in hand


12.) 02 May 2021 17:14:31
He said "FSG tried to furlough staff and players (behind the scenes), tried to reduce the wages of them all, also about project bigfoot and now this with the super league thing". I don't know if it's true or not to be honest but it's not great behaviour in my opinion if it is.

{Ed0666's Note - oh that’s common knowledge they did this brazenly for the world to see.I thought you had some juicy gossip that no one knew about 😂


13.) 02 May 2021 17:15:58
The OP is comparing different situations as if they are the same. The Chelsea protest was at a home game when their club were still in the ESL, I didn’t see any Chelsea protests before the game yesterday. The Leeds protest was a handful of people booing Liverpool players. This United protest is primarily against the Glazers who have been bleeding their club dry for years. As much as I want FSG to sell up they have been far better owners than the Glazers.

{Ed0666's Note - The Glazers have provided infinite transfer funds since they bought the club which is what any manager and fan would desire. How have FSG been better owners than the Glazers? FSG have saddled plenty of debt on the club and will recoup when they sell.


14.) 02 May 2021 15:50:02
If our fans did what the United fans did today you'd probably condemn it. The owners won't be leaving anytime soon unfortunately because they can't exactly advertise the club on eBay for a quick sale.


15.) 02 May 2021 18:43:07
Was/ Is it common knowledge? Didn't know that.


16.) 02 May 2021 18:43:07
Was/ Is it common knowledge Ed066? Didn't know that.

{Ed0666's Note - unless I’m missing something


17.) 02 May 2021 19:23:44
As a fan I think investing in club infrastructure, such as a new stand or training ground is just as important as spending money on shiny new players.

{Ed0666's Note - that’s why you have executives to make these decisions. Instead of spunking gazzilions on non performing mercenary’s budget some money from transfers for modern training facilities.


18.) 02 May 2021 19:26:37
The OP got his facts straight. Thanks Ed 666. Sick of hearing how FSG have saved us and we could not expect better owners.
They are venture capitalists, expecting them not to chase money is like putting a fish in the penguin enclosure and telling them not to eat it.
They are circling the ESL like sharks, it fits their brief, they are used to the setup - a limited team, no promotion/ relegation league and next time there will be no u-turn. If we don’t speak up now and try to take control back, we will never have the opportunity again.

{Ed0666's Note - I suspect the owners are here for a while my friend


19.) 03 May 2021 02:24:48
"The OP got his facts straight"

Are you referring to yourself in the third person or did you forget to change accounts?

Either way it doesn't look great.


 

 

17 Aug 2020 08:28:44
There was a unanimous answer to the Wan-Bissaka v TAA debate last night. AWB looked lessen footed against a higher class of opposition and was seriously exposed time and again. The better defender arguments should be treated with the contempt they deserve. His usual effectiveness at 1 on 1s was not helped by the lack of support from the player in front of him but he should not be mentioned in the same breath as TAA based on this season.

A question for the Ed's: every time I watch Ever Banega he is absolute class. How come he has never been on the shopping list of a bigger club? One weird stint at Inter Milan aside. And now he is off to Al-Shabab. Crazy. Although he did allegedly get run over by his own car, so maybe he is?

StEtienneAmen

{Ed001's Note - he is a problem off the pitch. A real handful to deal with.}


1.) 17 Aug 2020 10:07:54
Funnily enough I read up on him yesterday and there is a long list of his misdemeanors listed! Partying, broken leg. long list lol but is class.


2.) 17 Aug 2020 10:17:40
TAA is the one thing that Wan Bissaka isn’t, and that is that TAA is an incredibly good footballer, on football ability WB is very ordinary at best. It’s only because he’s English that he’d cost £50m or whatever United were mugged for.


3.) 17 Aug 2020 10:55:41
Wan bissaka is an excellent young player. No he is not taa level but he is doing his own work. He didn't set his price tag either. Nor does he come out saying he is the best or anything like that. I see no reason to bash him whatsoever even if he is a United player. Seems like a good lad to me.

I'm sure he will improve on the ball in the next few years and become a real fine rb. Taa will always be better but wan bissaka will be good too.


4.) 17 Aug 2020 12:25:29
Wouldn’t dream of bashing him. He is a great prospect. Just TAA is a class above right now.


5.) 17 Aug 2020 14:38:07
Nice sentiment but no thumbs up from me dude, he's a utd player. No one is bashing him, they are just speaking truth davey. Awb is not on the same page as Trent.

Does Awb ever hit a free kick and run for the cameras b4 the ball is past the wall? Absolute class.

How would you value Trent? 100mil at least. If you bought him you'd have him for over 10 years. I dunno if that price tag is whacko? What do you guys think?


6.) 17 Aug 2020 14:56:43
Trent is one of the best young players in the world. A ridiculously special talent. Hard to put a price on him when I wouldn't sell him for anything.

Personally I just like awb. He seems like a good lad with great potential. Not trent level potential but high potential all the same.


7.) 17 Aug 2020 18:31:07
Davey, AWB is not in the same league as TAA, hinds down. He is a very good player who needs to improve drastically esp. offensively, to have a any chance of getting to TAA's level and we don't even know what TAA's ceiling is right now. All this we can agree on.

Where I disagree with you is that AWB has the same potential as TAA. No, he does not. Why? Simple. In one word: Coaching.

IMO, the issue with AWB is that he will not get better with frankly, an incompetent and deficient manager in charge. The type of coaching he needs is simply not going to be there as long as Ole's at the wheel.


8.) 17 Aug 2020 18:59:35
I said he didn't have the same potential as taa. So we don't disagree there either.


9.) 17 Aug 2020 19:10:51
I'm not as sure as I was about ole being useless. He is of that old utd squad, a winner. And he had them playing nice football in the league.

And remember he is only a very new manager. Jose, klopp didn't win European titles in their second season (I'm including mold) that team has different players from different managers philosophy. Fan pressure for success has left them with z squad of players that don't gel. But they're starting to. And once he gets his players in there, then we can judge. I think he'll fail, bit like brodge and end up at hearts.


10.) 17 Aug 2020 21:38:51
Davey, I stand corrected. Ether way, I maintain that AWB will not improve himself as long as Ole is in charge, Ole is incompetent and has no history of improving a player and based on what we are seeing from him at Utd, it's going to be tough for AWB to reach his potential, whatever that is.


11.) 18 Aug 2020 16:25:55
Ole doesn't have a history of improving players RM, but he doesn't have a history as a manager full stop. And tbf martial has improved this season.

I dunno, I was watching ole since the break, utd sweeping everyone aside and he wasn't bouncing up and down, going crazy. Just clenching his fist and chewing his gum, like it's just as it should be. He has a winners mentality and I think that's a really important trait in a manager.

I don't like talking utd up. But i think they may have finally turned a corner. Isn't this the first time that one of the old utd guard has had control of them? (or did giggs have a spell) we all start on zero next season and if utd carry their form into next season we won't be miles ahead of them. And of all the football teams on the planet, the team I hate sitting behind is Manchester United.


 

 

 

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08 Jun 2021 13:25:08
I am sorry but I went on a bit of a rant and took myself too seriously. Result? A self-imposed exile from a website I love and login to daily.

This post has made me swallow my pride and re-post. Thank you so much MK and Zed.

Apologies to Thunderbird 2 for any offense caused.

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23 Jun 2021 16:32:23
Effective date of Brexit was 31 January 2020 and UK ceased to be a part of the EU with immediate effect. Bellingham joined Dortmund on 20 July 2020.
Not sure what cheating has to do with any part of this. I am just remembering the Jon Obi Mikel saga (is he Norwegian or isn’t he? ) and the fact that UK clubs find it harder to sign young African players, whereas the French clubs do not. For example, the Spanish signs have a knack of signing the young South American stars but they share a common language. It is not a legal restriction.
UK clubs signing young African players does seem to be restricted somehow, how so?

StEtienneAmen

{Ed002's Note - You don’t seem to understand - EU sides can still buy players from the UK. Obviously you don’t understand the situation with John Obi or other movement that are allowed. Cheating is what Liverpool have tried to excel at and have been repeatedly caught out. I don’t understand the question at the end. I have explained agreements exist. Maybe the rules continue not to be applicable to Liverpool.}


 

 

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23 Jun 2021 14:00:58
If David O’Leary was made of chocolate he would have eaten himself. Big Jack couldn’t stand him but showed how magnanimous he was by still picking him for Italia 90. I shudder at the memory of the Bowyer/ Woodgate trial and how Duberry was ostracised. Didn’t know Woodgate had previous from Boro.

Great read as always Ed 001.

StEtienneAmen

{Ed001's Note - very much so mate, Woodgate was a horrible man, ran with a gang of thugs and had previous for booting people in the head.}


 

 

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23 Jun 2021 13:45:10
So not a level playing field and the French and Portuguese teams have an unfair advantage. Thanks for clearing that up.

StEtienneAmen

{Ed002's Note - Rubbish. An unfair advantage goes to the sides who cheat.}


 

 

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22 Jun 2021 10:49:47
For me, Kane looks hamstrung at the moment. Lethargic, movement into space is not there. Hope it is temporary but he looks shot (not a typo) at the moment.

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15 Jun 2021 23:56:33
Mbappe is a once in a generation player. The composure he showed for his (correctly ruled out) goal was beyond his years. If there is one player I would want FSG to break the bank to sign, it would be him. Sadly unlikely to happen but what a player he is already. Wonderful to see what he could become.

StEtienneAmen