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20 Jun 2019 09:02:07
Mornin Eds.
Reading conflicting reports of Rafa Camacho supposedly off to either Schalke or Sporting, any chance Ed002 or anyone knows what's really happening and can clear this up?
Thanks very much and have a great day.
{Ed002's Note - Rafael Camacho (AM) Sporting still want a loan to buy deal but will have an influx of money which will allow them to commit to buying. Interest of Benfica has probably gone as they were looking to a loan with an option to buy. Wolves are interested and have been for sometime. Schalke have been in discussions with Liverpool recently and are interested in buying the player outright.}
1.) 20 Jun 2019 11:00:01
Wow great thanks a mil Ed002!
{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}
2.) 20 Jun 2019 11:02:47
Thanks Ed! I am assuming, given the contract situation, we would do a loan to buy?
Do you think he has the qualities to of been given a chance at some point? Whenever I have seen him he has been decent enough but difficult to judge given his lack of experience!
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool want to sell him. He has been told he will get chances and that was untrue - he has also said when he did play it was out of position. This is the growing problem the Premier League clubs are seeing - the kids want immediate first team game time and those who have been promised chances (which we know Klopp does) then get miffed and want to move on. A month or so ago I was with the Sporting Director (and very high end scout) of a German side and he was in London looking at kids from Arsenal, Fulham and Chelsea and he was explaining that German sides are going to be pushing to look to signing kids from England as they offer realistic routes in to the top-level game. So lots of sides from Germany are looking.}
3.) 20 Jun 2019 12:05:22
It must be difficult for young players to be promised stuff like that for it to just be a lie!
I do think we should be giving more opportunities when maybe we are comfortable in a game to maybe let players like Camacho have 10/ 15mins of experience.
I just don’t get why managers don’t do that more often, and would of assumed Klopp would be someone of that ilk, do you think the pressure of being at Liverpool has led him to be less youth driven? I know at Dortmund he was really good at nurturing youth.
I believe the same thing Ed, it is an interesting approach by German clubs and one that we have seen is fruitful, we as a country of academy’s produce quite a lot of decent players but as you say we don’t ever offer as much exposure as German clubs.
What would be your approach to youth at Liverpool so that we are still offering a route to the first team and exposure that makes us seem an attractive club for your players and their development?
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are doing better than they used to but it is not structured or managed well still.}
4.) 20 Jun 2019 13:00:38
I suppose the difficulty managers have is that they may fully intend giving young players some time on the pitch but then that gets pushed aside once a certain group of players starts doing well. I doubt any Liverpool supporter - sad but true - wanted to see Camacho replace any of our players in the first team last season given we were pushing so hard for the league and CL. If he was playing out of his skin in training and the U21s then maybe he'd have got more chances but do we know if that was the case? Probably not.
{Ed002's Note - The answer is don't make promises or kowtow to players.}
5.) 20 Jun 2019 16:18:02
Agreed Ed, if that filters through the youth teams of broken promises that’s going to have a negative impact on the rest of them.
6.) 20 Jun 2019 16:42:15
Half the problem is expectancy of fans. If a young player doesn't hit the ground running or isn't Neymar then there's howls of "he's crap, get rid, spend £60 million on a suitable replacement". And this coming from fans who playing wise aren't fit to kiss the studs of the young players they're busy slagging off.
Unfortunately the sheer majority of fans these days have no idea at all of what it's like for players trying to climb through the ranks and stake their claim for a spot in the team/ squad.
7.) 20 Jun 2019 17:21:37
I think the problem (albeit a good problem) is that we're now at a standard 1 point behind an excellent Man City team and European Champions.
If we were still finishing 7th, like when Klopp took over, had an injury to our right sided attacker/ winger, and Shaqiri's signing just didn't work out, the likes of Camacho may have been given a chance.
The stakes are higher now that the level of quality in the squad is much higher and our attackers have been pretty much injury free.
It's different trying to break into the first team for an upper mid-table side than it is to break into a serial European finalists and title challengers side.
8.) 20 Jun 2019 22:10:57
Personally I'd say if the youth players were actually good enough to displace the starting 11 and were leaving we would have a problem.
9.) 21 Jun 2019 00:51:18
Not sure what the answer is in the PL, but it seems the way to get above the opposition, you can't do it with the kids, unless they are exceptional, players like Trent for instance! Aren't the younger players happy enough to go on decent loans, with a clause that says they have to play a certain amount of games, like I believe we have done? Camacho for one, he had to understand who was in front of him to play in his favoured place! Maybe we didn't go as far as we had hoped in the domestic cups or these fringe players might have played more, who knows!
10.) 21 Jun 2019 00:52:03
I guess it could partly be because the premier league is so competitive. There really no stroll in the park games like in Germany or Spain (sides that would struggle to stay in the championship) to blood youth into the side. Domestic cup runs are another matter both but we did terribly in both.
11.) 20 Jun 2019 23:45:43
@johnnyr1970: Camacho was top scorer for the U23s and one of the stars this season. It's simply a lack of patience. He's only 18 but could realistically have envisioned overtaking Shaqiri next season and maybe even replacing Salah when he leaves in a year or two. He's a good young player but not developed enough yet to be a consistent first teamer. Like Ed002 keeps saying, it's a problem that many clubs are having with youth players and the reason German clubs are quite cleverly fishing around in England. Best case scenario probably a good offer from Schalke for example with a buy-back clause if possible.
12.) 21 Jun 2019 03:56:48
interesting ed002, i had to google and didn't realise kowtow's accepted use in english language.
learn something new everyday i suppose.
{Ed002's Note - I see it as a social service to try and teach the Liverpool supporters a farrago of new words every day.}
13.) 21 Jun 2019 12:59:37
ed002 would you say apart from the big 2 teams most leagues have got. Would you say the premier league is the easiest league to get sacked. Bringing more pressure to managers here making it harder to blood youth players unless they are all ready top class. Its like they need to be at the same standard as full Internationals as soon as they get in the teams. What does not help as well is the value young british players have on them ryan sessegnon springs to mind with the £50m they rated him at before he had even played in the top flight. And with Youth players some are so much more developed than others and it makes them look so much better than until they play against men and they lose that advantage.
{Ed002's Note - I don't really get the question but the answer would be no if you think more coaches get sacked in the PL than elsewhere - take last season - the Bundesliga, Serie A, Ligue 1 and La Liga all saw more coaches sacked than the PL.}
14.) 21 Jun 2019 14:34:30
yes ed002 that was the point I thought more coaches got sacked here. So I was just think they don't have the time to blood young players in. And with are league being the most competitive I does make it harder. Was it a good year for are managers last season though ed can't remember to many getting the chop. I think Fulham got rid of 2 not sure about Huddersfield did there manager walk then there was Southampton, utd and Leicester but that seems quite low for normal.
{Ed002's Note - The Spanish and Italian sides are rather less forgiving than the PL sides. It is unrelated to playing kids.}
10 Jun 2019 10:25:42
Whether we sign any or all of Pepe, Cornet or Mazraoui, I'm guessing it won't be until after the Africa Cup of Nations. Of course there'll be machinations and agreements going on in the background, but (unless an urgent need arises) taking a player from his national team to go sign and do as medical etc. would be an unwanted distraction. So whatever deals are done probably won't be finalized until after the tournament. So let's just try to relax and enjoy watching our current and future Anfield Africa superstars and give the Eds a break from the same questions for a few weeks.
(PS: So strange Fabinho wasn't picked for Brazil's Copa America squad, especially considering his versatility. I guess Tite likes a specialist, but come on, Fágner? He wasn't even good enough for Wolfsburg)
1.) 10 Jun 2019 23:41:17
I think it is good news for us that he isn't picked. Be great to get a full season out of Fabinho next year.
31 May 2019 12:47:36
Just read Milner is to be offered a 1 year extension and Matip will get a new contract. Both are good news imo.
1.) 31 May 2019 13:26:47
Yeh great news.
Hope Milner decides to stay and Matip deserves a new contract.
2.) 31 May 2019 19:03:10
It will be an easier task replacing Salah than Milner.
Great news if true.
3.) 01 Jun 2019 10:55:58
I thought Milner would leave if Leeds were promoted but they weren't so I see him staying, he's a very influential player who any team would be lucky to have, if this is true then its great news. I won't comment on Matip (prove me wrong lad, go and score the winner tonight) .
21 May 2019 10:42:13
Just read Brandt's signing for Dortmund.
Is it true Eds?
{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any agreement but my view was that Julian Brandt would become a viable option if Bayer Leverkusen did't make the CL (which they have). Add to that Borussia Dortmund have already agreed the transfer of a not entirely dissimilar Thorgan Hazard so they may not push for a deal - although they do remain keen on adding an AM.}
1.) 21 May 2019 11:46:39
I think given Leverkusen have qualified for the champions league their two main stars will stay. Havertz and Brandt they are both developing well, young, will be competing at the highest level.
2.) 21 May 2019 13:02:58
Any alternatives for us Ed yet if he does go there or is it all as you have previously explained?
{Ed002's Note - It is as I have explained.}
3.) 21 May 2019 13:37:37
I doubt that southern.
17 Apr 2019 13:52:28
Just saw claims we're scouting Nicolas Pépé. Random name Eds or anything to it?
Thanks v much.
{Ed002's Note - He would be a straight replacement for Salah - will there be space with Dybala, Insigne and all of the others? I would not hold your breath.}
1.) 17 Apr 2019 14:14:54
Haha, thought so. But yes I hear Klopp is planning on changing to a 2-2-6 formation next season. :)
2.) 17 Apr 2019 17:12:50
Pepe looks an incredible talent, however he's blatantly moving elsewhere.
3.) 17 Apr 2019 17:29:25
2-2-6 is a little conservative when surely all we need at the back is Virgil though. Typical Klopp 😂😂.
4.) 17 Apr 2019 18:24:08
Where's he going semi?
5.) 17 Apr 2019 18:34:15
We pretty much already play 2-5-3, considering that our full backs spend more time in the opposition's half than our own.
6.) 17 Apr 2019 19:52:24
Eds2 that would be a strong bench.
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13 Jul 2019 02:11:49
I read a thread asking for people's 'Liverpool's Top 5 signings of the Premier League era'? My answer naturally and swiftly followed: Alisson, Virgil, Robertson, Firmino, Mane, Salah, Milner, wait, how many is that? Hendo, Fabinho, Origi, Matip, Gomez, uhm, and all the rest! :)
YNWA.
1.) 13 Jul 2019 04:51:23
So the majority of Liverpool’s best premier league signings are all in the past 3/ 4 years?
2.) 13 Jul 2019 05:11:44
Hyypia, Alonso, Alisson, Van Dijk and Firmino. Would be my five.
Plenty of great talents not included but I tried to factor in ability as well as contribution/ difference to trophy winning season's. Feels weird not to have Salah or Mane in there, but I think Firmino is the fulcrum of their success.
3.) 13 Jul 2019 06:14:06
Value for money bargain signings, hyypia, Alonso, coutinho, Robertson, Gomez, all under 10mil and vastly improved at Liverpool. Suarez, Torres, salah, mane, all turned world class after modest fees.
Milner, McAlister excellent experience added for free, invaluable contributions.
VVD and Allison, huge money but in terms of immediate impact, hugely influential signings.
Kuyt, hamann, Murphy, finnan also shrewd understated transfers.
4.) 13 Jul 2019 07:40:32
Alonso, Robertson, Hyypia, Coutinho, VVD.
You simply can't leave Coutinho out. Not just for how much of a good player he was for us but the massive profit we made on him. We signed him for £8.5 million.
5.) 13 Jul 2019 07:54:13
And Hyypia, Alonso, Mascherano, Torres and Suarez do not even get a mention.
6.) 13 Jul 2019 08:10:35
VVD, Allison, Hyypia, Alonso and then Torres. followed very close by Salah, Mane and Suarez if we had one the league that year with Suarez as much as a rat he was he would have been number one. But he comes.
{Ed033's Note - Who comes? Is it the one who won the league? :)
7.) 13 Jul 2019 09:19:11
Vvd, Allison, Alonso, Hyypia, Torres. Would have to be my pick.
8.) 13 Jul 2019 09:37:51
Worst top 5 for a bit of banter. Kozma, piechnik, Ferri, Dundee, kennedy.
9.) 13 Jul 2019 09:57:28
Mane has to be number 1. Without him the rest wouldn't have followed. He changed the team almost on his own 3-4 years ago.
10.) 13 Jul 2019 10:05:56
In terms of worst for what we paid and expectations. Carroll, Keane, aquilani, markovich, benteke.
Honourable mention to ossama assaidi and Milan jovanovic.
11.) 13 Jul 2019 10:06:00
My top 5
Allison, VVD, Suarez, Xabi,
honorable mentions - pepe, hendo, didi
my under the radar top 5
lucas, arbeloa, henchoz, maxi rodriguez, Ciise.
12.) 13 Jul 2019 10:09:49
Torres, Alonso, Allison, Van Dijk, Firmino.
13.) 13 Jul 2019 10:26:09
Worst signing has got to be El Hadji Diouf.
14.) 13 Jul 2019 11:59:46
sorry Ed033 Suarez comes down the pecking order for not winning any of the big comps and all the trouble he brought with him. but he did nearly win us the league that season with one of the best player season I have seen.
15.) 13 Jul 2019 13:39:34
@Har_red92 Robbie Keane didn't actually play badly for us, it wasn't his fault he was used as part of the power struggle. Scored 5 goals + 4 assists in half a season and 2+1 in 5 CL games and and didn't even get a chance to settle in. If however you mean that it was one of the worst pieces of business because of the way the suits back then handled it, I'd agree. Also bought for €24m and sold back 6 months later for €16.7m, like come on! We love you Michael Edwards, please never leave.
16.) 13 Jul 2019 14:31:18
I liked Robbie Keane as a player very much, I just kind of meant he was our big signing that summer and we all were hoping him and Torres would be a deadly duo, he tried his best but it wasn't working. Poorly managed situation.
17.) 13 Jul 2019 15:51:04
Lot of good players mentioned above but no Dirk Kuyt? Honestly, the work rate of our current crop is phenomenal, but the only ones who come close to how hard this guy grafted on the pitch are probably Milner and Robbo. Firmino's press is intelligent but not as insistent.
18.) 13 Jul 2019 16:00:12
Best:
Hyypia (longevity)
Alisson (ability)
Robertson (value)
Worst:
Keane (longevity)
Leto (ability)
Carroll (value)
19.) 13 Jul 2019 16:06:20
Xabi Alonso, Sami Hyypia, Virgil Van Dijk, Alisson, Gary Mac
4 of them brought us the big ear, Gary Mac brought us treble.
20.) 13 Jul 2019 16:24:15
Robbo anyone. Bargain. Great player.
21.) 14 Jul 2019 00:03:15
Best
Van djike
Torres
Technically we did sign fowler, so yeah, god.
Alonso
Salah (how is salah not on everyones list? He broke all the records set by rush, fowler, owen and torres)
Worst
Ballotelli
Zeigle
Morientes
Aquilani
Vorinin
May not be the worst players to play for us but all were expected to be big big players and all were really poor.
11 Jul 2019 00:32:22
Ben Woodburn on loan to Tranmere for the season makes a lot of sense to me. I think he'd kill it in that Division and help Tranmere compete.
I generally like the association with Tranmere as well as the overall focus of connecting with smaller clubs and locally including loan deals and friendly games.
1.) 11 Jul 2019 08:08:19
Will he be playing against us tonight?
2.) 11 Jul 2019 08:46:18
i would be disappointed if he was sent to Tranmere, he is at a higher level than that.
if he was to be going down to league one then i would want it to be at one of the top end clubs pushing for promotion e. g. Portsmouth.
I think this season is imperative he gets a full season under his belt otherwise he is in danger of becoming a wilson v2.
3.) 11 Jul 2019 12:33:55
Southern is he at a higher level then that? he already went on loan in the championship and it didn't work out and not done well? he just needs games and tranmere will be perfect for that.
03 Jul 2019 08:32:26
It's been said before but ..............
{Ed002's Note - Wrong page - this is the Liverpool page.}
1.) 03 Jul 2019 13:42:00
Paul Pogba is a poor mans djimi traore.
2.) 04 Jul 2019 13:50:04
The only way isn't essex.
14 Jun 2019 07:36:23
G'day Ed002. So did anything dramatic happen while we were sleeping? Dybala, Insigne and Werner all got red shirts nailed on, yeah?
1.) 14 Jun 2019 10:10:36
All of them and more mate. Marquee signing by lunchtime. EXCITING TIMES MATE!
2.) 14 Jun 2019 14:25:14
Red shirts nailed on? Sounds painful.
3.) 14 Jun 2019 16:04:59
Simao nailed on.
12 Jun 2019 11:36:48
Reading Milan want Lovren, is it true Ed? Or anyone else?
Thanks in advance.
{Ed001's Note - I don't know sorry.}
1.) 12 Jun 2019 12:12:43
Heard the club won't stand in his way if he wants to leave but won't accept less than £25mil.
2.) 12 Jun 2019 13:00:18
25 is a bargain for milan. I don't think we should let him go and i don't think it'll happen anway. We would then need to sign a new cb. You need 4, especially when two of them are injury prone.
Madrid turned down erikson apparently, going for pogba instead. What are they thinking if this is true? One is a show pony, the other is a genuine class player.
I highly doubt it would happen but do the eds and reds think he would be good for us? I actually think he could be the missing link. Prem experience, playmaker, goals from out side the box, scores big goals. Good lad who works hard. Id take him over fekir all day.
3.) 12 Jun 2019 13:51:30
We should let him go and get Dael Fry in. We may as well have someone that's improving as a player in the back up role.
4.) 12 Jun 2019 16:32:50
We could either promote Hoever to fourth choice or buy the Portuguese lad the 20 year old Ruben Garcia or something like that anyway. Forget De Ligt it isn’t happening.
Jurgen Meister's rumour replies
11 Jul 2019 08:21:55
Yeah and you can't really teach that if he doesn't have it in his gut.
Btw I watched Cornet in Lyon vs Man City last night and oh yes I'll have me some of that.
10 Jul 2019 09:49:10
He has now joined up with the senior squad along with 8 other academy players. Really looking forward to seeing some of them in action.
10 Jul 2019 09:47:47
Why the heck would we sign Wilson or any striker? We have three plus wide-forwards who can play there. Absolutely no need for Wilson nor is he good enough.
Fraser and Brooks are decent players but not at the required standard for Liverpool.
05 Jul 2019 08:14:16
Ahahahaha, I love it. Ed001 generating 'news' all by himself.
Nice that Klopp, Niguez and Ed001 all like each other, that's a hooooooooot threesome.
{Ed001's Note - the videos will be available for sale later...}
24 Jun 2019 08:29:39
That's a rather odd thing to worry about. One is a left-footed mostly right winger and the other a right-footed mostly left winger. Like if they signed Hoever and Lewis would you be similarly concerned?
Jurgen Meister's banter replies
18 Jul 2019 14:58:03
How the F does Barton still have a job? He's an absolute disgrace to the game of football.
18 Jul 2019 09:00:00
Zzzzzzzzzzz
Can we ban Coutinho questions please?
13 Jul 2019 13:39:34
@Har_red92 Robbie Keane didn't actually play badly for us, it wasn't his fault he was used as part of the power struggle. Scored 5 goals + 4 assists in half a season and 2+1 in 5 CL games and and didn't even get a chance to settle in. If however you mean that it was one of the worst pieces of business because of the way the suits back then handled it, I'd agree. Also bought for €24m and sold back 6 months later for €16.7m, like come on! We love you Michael Edwards, please never leave.
13 Jul 2019 02:42:54
Haha. Such a specific question. Are you in the middle of a bet or a table quiz or is there a game of Football Manager going on in the background or something?
12 Jul 2019 14:43:11
Faithinworks, they were? We spent oodles of dosh in 2018 and made some excellent signings. Who were people complaining about us missing out on? Mbappé?