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04 Sep 2021 08:24:25
Minamino injured. Not sure for how long.

markp08

1.) 04 Sep 2021 08:50:03
Standard international window.


2.) 04 Sep 2021 08:57:53
Yep exactly, awaiting the next one.


3.) 04 Sep 2021 12:59:43
Not surprised. Poor lad ain’t kicked a ball since Red Bull 😂.


4.) 04 Sep 2021 14:01:07
Fabs it's time to play as a striker lol.


5.) 04 Sep 2021 14:26:05
Where’s Steven Caulker when you need him?


6.) 04 Sep 2021 17:58:41
Think Nabil El Zhar is available on a free transfer. Could be a good option to replace Minamino as a sub who never gets on the pitch!


7.) 04 Sep 2021 20:44:19
Oh no.


8.) 04 Sep 2021 22:22:13
I hate internationals.


 

 

14 Jul 2021 19:33:17
Fabrizio Romano has said he expects a surprise from Liverpool in the market. Ed002's surprise is back on.

markp08

1.) 14 Jul 2021 19:43:16
I think we may have to wait a bit for the surprise though - Romano also said he 100% expects outgoings first - Origi, Shaqiri, Gruijic and Wilson.

I wonder if Keita will still be here at the close of the window?

{Ed002's Note - Finding a buyer at the right price won't be easy.}


2.) 14 Jul 2021 20:03:28
He prob read the most reliable source on the internets posts! Ed2 honestly what a massive asset to this site maybe people will now start to appreciate ed2s input a bit more.


3.) 14 Jul 2021 20:10:12
£25M is a very good price for Keita now, imo. No idea what we would be looking for but I can't imagine clubs willing to take a chance on him at much more than that.

He would be better off leaving now and we could do with the money too.


4.) 14 Jul 2021 20:26:14
Sean, £25 is a good price at this stage.


5.) 14 Jul 2021 20:28:35
Im guessing on of the Italians we were linked with? Most likely Berardi?


6.) 14 Jul 2021 20:29:14
Everyone is saying expect a surprise because just like last year, and most of the last few summers nearly all our signings go under the radar till the last minute.


7.) 14 Jul 2021 21:06:37
Berardi would be a very decent signing. I know we’ve not had the best of luck with Italian players, but that has to change at some point, he’s got all the qualities that Klopp likes, he’s hard working, versatile as he can play out wide or through the middle, technically very good and he has decent end product (he’s scored and assisted in double figures for both of the last two seasons) . Additionally he’s on record as saying that if he moved outside of Italy he’d favour a move to us.

He said “Being able to choose, I would play in Liverpool. Changing remains difficult for me, but it no longer frightens me, I would do it. ”

I hope we go for this lad as he’d be a very decent acquisition.


8.) 14 Jul 2021 20:48:07
If it's going to be a surprise then I hope it's one of Barella or Chiesa. We could use either one. But I know one of the front 3 would have to leave for Chiesa to be brought in.


9.) 14 Jul 2021 21:38:13
It won’t be either of Chiesa or Barella. Juve have an obligation to sign him and there’s no way they’re parting with him for less than £100m. Inter don’t want to sell Barella.


10.) 14 Jul 2021 19:50:32
Here's hoping it's Adama Traore.


11.) 15 Jul 2021 12:27:51
Beradi is poor, I'd rather Elliot got the minutes than waste money on him.


12.) 15 Jul 2021 18:58:14
Ed02 has said anyone expecting Berardi at Anfield should not hold their breath?


13.) 15 Jul 2021 19:28:12
Ed002, in your opinion. What would be the right price for Keita to gets clubs interested? Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - Right now I don't think there are plans to sell him.}


14.) 15 Jul 2021 19:44:14
Appreciate it. Cheers.


15.) 16 Jul 2021 10:38:10
At this point wouldn't it be better to let Keita go nearly for free? and just reduce the wages you have, dude can barely play 10 games a season, seems a bit of a wage drain for someone you could just replace with a youngster.


16.) 16 Jul 2021 11:11:35
Thats as vague as it comes and what would constitute a surprise? Some fans think Mbappe is a possibility do not spending silly money on a big name player could be a surprise to them.


 

 

24 May 2021 19:09:37
Good evening ed002, do you expect one of our front 3 to leave in the summer? I have been trying to think where Mane could go for example and I can only come up with PSG or Bayern. Thanks.

markp08

{Ed002's Note - Mo Salah (RW/F) Liverpool could cash in to fund transfers but there is no clear interest at this time after he and his agent pricing him out of a move with previous attempts to leave. His "representative" has again been doing the rounds this time also asking Bayern Munich, PSG and surprisingly Chelsea if they are interested. I suspect that Barcelona and Real Madrid may also have been approached again. Liverpool will likely look to a new contract but don't be surprised of an offer from PSG.
Sadio Mane (LW/F) Would likely be too expensive for Barcelona but they could look to including Dembele in a deal - but Liverpool are overpricing players again. Real Madrid could look to him as alternative to Mbappe - possibly - but would want to throw players in to a deal.
Roberto Firmino (S) Liverpool will look to upgrade at some point whilst he still has value – perhaps in 2022.

All of these players are performing but they are all 30ish and their value will fall away - I suspect Klopp wants to do the rebuild rather than let someone else do it - which is a huge risk for the club financially.}


1.) 24 May 2021 20:20:42
If I remember we turned down £14m for Wilson, which seemed a very good offer to me.


2.) 24 May 2021 20:43:09
Any player that doesn’t want to play for us can go at the right price I guess.


3.) 24 May 2021 21:02:41
Never mind salahs agent pricing him out of a move it should be Liverpool football club he’s the last one to leave to me!


4.) 24 May 2021 20:58:51
Understand to a certain extent the Spanish clubs Ed but why on earth would his representative be offering him to Chelsea? Surely we would match wages and it is a definite step down at this moment in time. Is Salah that desperate to move on?

Re Mane, I would defs take Dembele and some cash if it meant we could also buy a young CF.


5.) 24 May 2021 22:01:33
Last seasons Mane we can’t replace, this season though he was way off the pace. I can’t work out if he will get back to his best. Klopp and Edwards know best.


6.) 24 May 2021 22:31:57
Salah is guaranteed between 20-30 goals a season, he'd be the last one out the 3 I'd sell.


7.) 24 May 2021 22:38:47
This seasons Mane > any season Dembele. Fact,


8.) 24 May 2021 23:43:21
I have clients who are sports agents (primarily rugby) who tell me it is common practice for agents, particularly if they have a very valuable client, to always gauge interest from clubs even if their client shows no desire to move.
They obviously earn from transfers and they will claim they are making sure their client is made aware of interest to keep him in the loop when in actual fact they are trying to turn his head to generate a fee for themselves.
Now I don’t know if this is the case with Salah but I certainly don’t see his agent touting him about as proof positive that he wants to leave Liverpool.


9.) 25 May 2021 07:50:01
If Dembele gets his head right he is an absolute baller. Definitely more naturally talented than Mane. Would hope that Klopp would have a serious conversation around his motivations if we were to sign him.


10.) 25 May 2021 10:12:41
Josh, Mane has scored double figures in goals every season since he was 20, in every league he’s played, even this season he’s not been at his best but still scored 11. Dembele on the other hand has only done that once, in a farmers league (Ligue 1). The lad is weak mentally and physically and is as thick as mince. Dembele isn’t worth the risk.


11.) 25 May 2021 04:09:14
I ed002, i know you don't like this but should I hold my breath over kylian mbappa to liverpool?
I mean is there even a chance for this?

{Ed002's Note - Kylian Mbappe (RW/S/F) is the primary target for Real Madrid in 2021 - they will face a challenge from Juventus who will be open to include players in the deal. Manchester City have certainly considered Mbappe but I think it unlikely they will commit to the €200M transfer fee, huge signing on fee and huge wages. Liverpool would also be in a similar position and the money would be a major issue for them regardless. PSG don't want to sell him and at the very least will expect him to agree a one or two year extension to his existing contract that runs until 2022, that will keep his price buoyant - and that seems the most likely outcome but he may want a commitment that he can join Real Madrid next summer. But Ideally PSG want him to agree a new long term deal and are willing to offer him €750k per week for a minimum two year extension.}


12.) 25 May 2021 08:53:42
Dembele isn't mature enough in my opinion, I can see him upsetting/ annoying a lot of the more experienced players. Ed's should one of them leave, is Pedro Neto still be looked at? He was doing the rounds this time last season, is he still highly thought of at the club?

{Ed002's Note - The only Wolves player Liverpool has shown an interest in is Traore - although other clubs have been looking at Neto.}


13.) 25 May 2021 09:56:19
I remember a time when Ousmane Dembele was seen as Kylian Mbappe's equal. He is unbelievably talented. He just doesn't seem capable of applying that talent and somebody posted on here last time it came up just how many issues he has away from the pitch. From partying and trashing his rented accommodation, all the way down to little things like his diet.

He'll likely go down as another player who had the world it his feet, but his head in the clouds.


14.) 25 May 2021 11:53:03
750k wow. Thanks ed for the reply. Appreciate it. It's safe to say the figures quoted are absolutely beyond liverpool and fsg.


15.) 25 May 2021 13:04:50
Salah's agent has been talking to other clubs ever since his first day at Melwood, but a transfer hasn't even remotely come close to happening. The fact he approached Chelsea tells you all you need to know.


16.) 25 May 2021 14:16:30
Ed002, have you heard anything about how LFC view Traore as a possible fit into the squad, or is it merely a Klopp infatuation?

Traore hasn't proven to be consistent at all, so it just seems extremely risky to expect him to slot in as a Salah replacement. I like the idea of him playing behind Salah in the rotation, but I'm not sure that's money well spent at his current price, especially considering too that we have Harvey Elliott waiting in the wings.

{Ed002's Note - I would expect Traore to be a Salah replacement.}


17.) 25 May 2021 22:17:59
Replacing Salah with Traore would be like replacing Ian Rush with Steve Anthrobus. It would be almost guaranteeing a relegation battle.


18.) 26 May 2021 11:41:08
Agreed. Traore still looks like a rough diamond and needs work. Nuno is a great coach IMO and it worries me that Traore still isn't looking polished. For me, he still needs a few more years, understanding the best position for his attributes and I don't fancy that dice roll at LFC. Especially if he's seen as a replacement for a 20+ goalscorer.


19.) 26 May 2021 13:59:28
He still looks rough around the edges at 25, that should answer all questions. A few more years takes him far to close to 30 with no likelihood those shortcomings in his game will ever improve.


 

 

03 Apr 2021 12:25:40
Posters on here have very very short memories. Most posters now believe that Mane should be sold. How disrespectful. He was the main man last season, better thatn Salah and one of the main reasons why we won the league. Then a few months later he gets C.V. and has a big dip in form and supporters turn agains't him.

Mane will discover his true very very soon and posters will have to offer a groveling appology. Mane I still love you man.

markp08

1.) 03 Apr 2021 12:52:54
In an ideal world, Mane does not leave and we add another top quality player upfront to compete our front 4. But in reality, we need funds to come from somewhere to refresh and build a younger squad over time.
Mane is a brilliant footballer no doubt. But he has two years left on his contract and is approaching 30 years of age, just like Bobby and Salah. I cannot envisage FSG giving Klopp sufficient funds to refresh the squad while also handing out improved long term contracts to all 3 of the mentioned players.
Salah is our most marketable player while Bobby just won't sell for much. So its naturally Mane that a lot of fans assume will be sold if an acceptable offer came in.
From a long term perspective, it makes sense to sell an ageing first choice forward along with some of the fringe attackers (Origi, Taki and Shaq) . Use the money to get two younger but very high potential players, preferably one wide player (Neto/ Raphinha) and a striker like Malen.
You cannot keep bringing in the next best talent if the existing first team players don't make way.


2.) 03 Apr 2021 13:07:49
The thing is it looks like we need to sell if we are supposed to make this team better and we have to look at this situation from clubs future perspective.
If we look at our front three.
Salah is consistent with goals he has been all his time with us. Bobby is a big part of the system and it he who allows mane and salah so many opportunities to score. Mane is a beast but he has been off the boil for a good 15 months now and when on form what he brings pace and directness to our team. But He is most easily replaced amongst the front three.
I don't want to break the trio but say if a deal for a better player younger player is available and one of the 3 has to make way, mane would be my choice.


3.) 03 Apr 2021 13:26:45
Reality shows that either Mane or Salah will need to go probably, and Salah is the world class player out of the two, plus in Jota we already have a replacement for Mane, so be realistic.


4.) 03 Apr 2021 13:44:10
Off form for 15 months? This is what I mean a totally false statement. December last year was when Mane was bagging in all the goals and winning us the league. Firmino is far far less a part of the system, the best games recently are when Firmino doesn’t play.


5.) 03 Apr 2021 14:20:53
Not disrespectful at all. It’s fairly evident that he’s on the decline and he’s certainly not getting any younger so he’s not suddenly going to get better. The sensible thing to do is cash in while he has value and use that money to bring in someone to refresh the front line. It’s obvious that Jota makes a capable replacement, so that money from the sale of Mane can go to bring someone in to add goals to the lineup as beyond Salah and Jota there’s not many goals in the side.


6.) 03 Apr 2021 14:46:37
IB, absolutely spot on.
Mane is a phenomenal footballer but it makes the most sense financially to move Mane on. Moving mane on pays for his replacement and a striker. (Pulisic and Mallen are my picks) .
Of course it would be great if we could keep him and refresh the squad with some new players but unfortunately it’s not going to happen. Now is probably the best time to seek him too, his stock is still high and his getting on a little bit. The summer after firmino will likely be moved on, again a replacement will be signed. Salah the year after.


7.) 03 Apr 2021 15:15:29
No way should we sell our best player Sadio Mane!
We need a centre forward who actually scores goals .
I’d move Bobby on and maybe Salah if he wants to go . but certainly not Sadio.


8.) 03 Apr 2021 15:39:59
Haven't seen so much bollocks posted in a long time. IB miles away from the facts. Good opening post mark.


9.) 03 Apr 2021 15:42:01
Liver la Salah as outperformed mane season after season, how do you get to that Mane is our best player, very good but blows out and cold.


10.) 03 Apr 2021 15:47:19
Mighty are you saying Salah was better than Mane last season, when we won the league? I am sure no one else agrees with you.


11.) 03 Apr 2021 15:50:50
6 times, Mane was also the main reason we won it 6 times. Against Barcelona he was the man. If Firmino or Salah had played instead we would not have won v Barca. Mane if far from on the decline, he will massively prove you wrong.


12.) 03 Apr 2021 16:45:07
You are turning a blind eye to the obvious fact that mane has been severely out of form and 100+ million for him is just too good a sum to say no to esp if it gives the team a big chance to invest on its future.
And mane was not able to win nothing in that Barcelona game till gini came up and turned it around. If there was no gini and origi we would have lost.
And mane did not win us the league it was our defense that did. You seem to easily forget that mane wouldn't have scored half of his goals if it weren't for salah and bobby. And if mane won us the league how did salah not when he scored same number of games.
There are 10 players like mane out there so the fact is he is the most replaceable in the front 3.


13.) 03 Apr 2021 16:57:04
Very few teams could afford the fee for one of the front three in any normal times, with corona decimating finances I doubt any bids will come for them. PSG perhaps but Real and Barce are broke and the club wouldn’t sell to a domestic rival. Bayern Munich tend to hoover up the best of the bundesliga and Juve can’t match the wages of the premier league.

{Ed077's Note - Juventus can easily match the wages in the PL. Maybe you should look up tax rates in the UK and Italy for starters.


14.) 03 Apr 2021 17:26:27
Mane is out of form and look at what has happened to the team in terms of goals way down. I believe Mane is just recovering from his sickness and starting from today the real Mane will show up. Start playing mane up front with Jota and Salah and he will soon rediscover his magic. Up until the suspension of the title season Mane did get most of our winning goals not Salah and certainly not Bobby.


15.) 03 Apr 2021 17:30:30
Akita you need to watch the Barcelona game again. Mane ran them ragged in the first half. They doubled up on him allowing the space for Hendo and then Gini to exploit. Mane was MOTM.


16.) 03 Apr 2021 17:39:05
Ed77, Juventus need a full rebuild and are short of cash. I can’t see them paying £100m transfer fees.

{Ed077's Note - who said anything about transfer fees. The post said Juve can't match the wages in PL and I replied they can in a little different way.


17.) 03 Apr 2021 17:45:42
He’s not going to prove me wrong. He’s at the age where we need to be moving him on while we can get a big fee for him. Yes he’s been brilliant, but you cannot live in the past and on past reputation. He’s not done it at all this season and look spent. If he has another season like this next year for us then we’ll not make a good fee from him and then will struggle to invest in the squad. As it stands he’d easily fetch £70m+ which would go very well in finding a striker who can actually put the ball in the net and replace Firmino, Jota is more than capable of replacing Mane, stop living in the past and being sentimental, it gets us nowhere. We have to be realistic about how we continue funding our squad, and it is through sales. Cold hard facts.


18.) 03 Apr 2021 18:13:35
A front 3 of Jota, Fimino and Salah is way off what is needed to win the PL. If you get £75m for Mane why not take £40m for Firmino and replace him with a goal scorer. That would give us a miles better chance.


19.) 03 Apr 2021 18:20:22
I agree with both Markp08 and Indian Buzzer. Mane’s form has dipped dramatically but I for one am not writing him off. Can he return to his best form, of course he can but this is where Indian Buzzer brings up a valid point. It is well known we are not flush with cash. Mane turns 29 in 7 days and by next summer he will be 30 years of age with 1 year remaining on his contract. If a bid comes in for say, £100M this summer we would be foolish to reject that. That isn’t a slight on Mane as a player, it’s just forward planning. I love Mane as player and for the last 2-3 years he has been sensational but as Ed2 always says, players come and go and life moves on unfortunately.


20.) 03 Apr 2021 18:37:06
Yes Alonso I see that point of course. But let’s say you get £90m for Mane then what? An in form Mane is one of our 5 main players so who are you going to replace him with. Don’t say Sancho, Barnes etc that will set us back 3 years. Why not replace Wilson, shaq and Origi with another decent player who can challenge the front 3 and Firmino?


21.) 03 Apr 2021 19:00:18
Indeed, we need to evolve and refresh.
Mo can't be sold, and I can see the argument to sell Mane.
At the end of the day, it will really depends on who we get in place.

I would not blink an eye and sell Firmino instead.

How many times have we heard Liverpool play well when Firmino does?
Well, how many times have Liverpool played well over past year?
Relying on Firmino to play well, is like relying on Matip to stay fit. Not a wise plan.

With Firmino gone, Shaq, Origi, Wilson, and maybe the Ox and Naby too, we should really get good enough fund for 2 first 11 material.


22.) 03 Apr 2021 19:56:23
I love all are front 3 Jota comes in fir Bobby he might score more than Bobby but his hold up play is nowhere near what Bobby’s is and we look a bit week up too with Jota up there. Mane form has been poor this season but nobody knows how C.V. effected him. As for Salah he does for us what is the hardest thing in the game to do score goals and gets more assists than the rest of are front 3 don’t get why so many fans don’t rate him as much as Mane is goal rate is phenomenal.


23.) 03 Apr 2021 20:51:49
Wilson, Shaqiri and Origi will all be going in the summer anyway, we’d be lucky to get anywhere £30m for them which goes nowhere. Mane is 29 this month, his output really has never been as good as Salah’s, so I think it’s sensible to sell him and reinvest. I’d sell Firmino too as he’s also knocking 30 and his output isn’t as good as it was.

This summer we need to sell Origi, Shaqiri, Wilson, Grujic, Matip, Keita, Ox, Firmino and Mane.

One of the things we used to do well was moving players on before they got to the point of being past it and refreshing the squad. Given that we have to sell to buy, I think it’s sensible to sell now than wait.


24.) 03 Apr 2021 20:57:21
Who doesn’t rate Salah as much as Mane? They are both equally important for the team but Salah gets more goals and assists but Msne overall does more tracking back. Can’t agree on Firmino hold up play half the time his second touch is a tackle. Ps he has been better so far today.


25.) 03 Apr 2021 22:52:02
Money is scarce now, mane is top drawer but to think he will fetch a huge sum at his age is unlikely in my opinion. 50 million bar a prolonged payment would be my guess. Ps he's a hero.


26.) 04 Apr 2021 02:41:56
This is a team game. each and everyone of them have given us their all. let's cherish and love each of them!


27.) 04 Apr 2021 04:52:35
LFC have to consider what to do with the "Front 3".

They are legends, but their goalscoring has simply not been good enough in 2021. Will they carry this form into next season? Then we will struggle again.

Salah 2 goals from open play in the league in 2021. Sadio and Bobby one each, I think.

Jota has already outscored them all in 2021, after playing one whole game, and then half an hour yesterday.

Front 3 are legends. But they will have to make room for younger, more productive players.

That's not disrespectful. That's simply the fact of life if a club wants to challenge the likes of City year in, year out.


28.) 04 Apr 2021 05:31:24
For all stat lovers. if salah hasn't been the best striker in the league this season then no one is worthy to be told as that. he is the top scorer.


29.) 04 Apr 2021 07:02:57
Salah is a better footballer than Mane. That is not a slight on Mane, coz Salah is just that good.

{Ed077's Note - Agreed. Salah is easily the best player of the "front 3" for me.}


30.) 04 Apr 2021 07:54:23
LLTK- Juve must have one of the biggest wage bills in football, they pay Ramsey 400k a week for a start.


31.) 04 Apr 2021 08:06:58
I must have watched a different game but was Mane the one that tried the impossible pass to Bobby instead of having a shot, fluffed the control that let to Jota buried in the back of the net for goal number 3 and then missed the header to make it four.

Look he had a good game but it was not Mane world class standards and I do think it is fair to set the bar to those standard of the past 3 seasons we know he can achieve, anything less and on a continued basis will put some criticism his way.

I will take that performance as a confidence booster for Mane and hope we see the world class Mane on Tuesday.


32.) 04 Apr 2021 08:53:15
It’s great when people say Bobby is a big part of the system. It’s like no other forward in world football closes defenders down and Mane and Salah cannot score without him. You only have to look at the games where he goes off or doesn’t play and that proves that theory wrong. Mane, Jota and Salah can all play anywhere in the front 3 and still score goals. For me Bobby can only play in the middle and still doesn’t score a great deal. Fans are even calling for him to play in midfield just to get him in the team. With the current money situation in football i can’t see anyone spending big money so if we sell Mane it could be at a far lower price than what people believe. Bobby is a firm favourite of Klopps but so is Mane and Salah so I wouldn’t be surprised to see them all stay.


33.) 04 Apr 2021 09:46:54
I really don’t think you can judge any player on this season’s form. Football without fans is a completely different game and the difference between good players and great ones is their ability to play with freedom in front of 60,000 screaming fans.
We’ve seen the likes of Luke Shaw finally show that he’s a player this season as he’s not under pressure from the toxic Old Trafford terraces.
Once fans are back next season normal service will be resumed and chaff will be chaff again and the likes of Mane will be ripping defences apart.

{Ed077's Note - Shaw playing well is a result of him finding fitness and Telles providing genuine threat for his spot in the team. He was horrendus until Telles signed for us this year too.}


34.) 04 Apr 2021 10:41:18
Please stop with wage figures. No way ramsey earns anything like 400k a week. It is still very high what he earns for the output he gives but its nowhere near 400k.

{Ed077's Note - even if its half, its still too much for an injury prone player.}


35.) 04 Apr 2021 11:04:53
Sorry but for those saying mane has to leave, you are all clueless. Firmino has to leave, for me, despite what a great player her has been for the team, he doesn’t bring that anymore. He can’t score, he’s lost pace, he hardly tracks back, he was largely missing from the game against arsenal, which has been the case for most of this season. So for me, the first person out of the front three that should be sold should be firmino, as much as I hate to say it.


36.) 04 Apr 2021 11:05:10
the general rule of thumb seems to be that some fans just need to bag one player and insist they are sold. no loyalty, no big picture, just negative get rid mentality.


37.) 04 Apr 2021 11:22:15
Great thread by the way, good to have some differing opinions argued out properly! Having read all the posts, there is obviously a big split between fans of who should be sold.
My two cents worth: People need to also Co aider the bigger picture overall in that our front three are all nearing their 30's (makes it sound old! ) during one of the worst years in modern football financially. Realistically, a shake up if the squad is required, and not just at the front. Our midfield is also in a similar age bracket and the club have to be extremely careful to maintain the last few years success, and the only way to do that is by refreshing the squad with quality.
It is well known LFC do not have the funds of other big clubs, so it is vital that the club raise money through sales to afford this quality. Unfortunately, with the emergence of Haaland and Mbappe, it has probably taken the attention of Mané and Salah by the big spenders, who have now put their financial focus on the other two.
That may be a good thing for some fans, but it also likely means if bids were to even come in for one of our front three, it will likely not be anywhere near the valuation we fans expect.
I think the club is about to arrive at a cross road and needs to make some very smart decisions ions to secure the next 5-10 years of success. Yes, we have some good youngsters coming through, but the next 2 transfer windows will be huge for LFC in my opinion and the only way to do that is by selling a high value asset or two.


38.) 04 Apr 2021 12:17:08
Faithinworks, nothing to do with not being loyal or a get rid mentality, it’s about building for long term success and with Mane and Firmino both being 29 and evidently not as effective as before, it is economic sense to sell and refresh the squad.

Players are transient employees, Mane isn’t thinking about the supporters when he gets his agents go flirt with Madrid, Barcelona and PSG is he?

There’s absolutely no doubt he’s been a great signing for us, but he’s now at the age where he’s not as effective as he once was, so it’s sensible to sell as we don’t have the benefit of being owned by a Middle East government with limitless funds or a Russian oligarch with equally unlimited funds and have to raise funds by selling.

As it is we do need seriously improve what we have. Wijnaldum is leaving, we need to move on and replace the likes of Keita, Ox, Shaqiri and Milner as for various reasons they’re not good enough, injury prone or in Milner’s case, age has caught up with him (he was terrible against Arsenal), Matip is made of glass and can’t be relied upon, we obviously need a fourth centre back, but it looks like Phillips is good enough to be fourth choice and Kabak is improving game by game so that could save a fortune.

We have a ready made replacement for Mane in Jota (a player I was delighted to see us sign as he always looked quality for Wolves), Firmino does need replacing and selling both Mane and Firmino would allow us to buy a good quality replacement and bring in some quality in midfield.


39.) 04 Apr 2021 13:33:51
I’d keep all the front 4. Let another look too much into this season. Games every 3 days, no fans no rest period etc. I think they all deserve at least one more season in front of our fans to celebrate their achievements. Then at the end of next season maybe look to move one or two of them on. I would shift on Wilson, Ojo, Grujic, Shaq, The Ox, Origi, Gini, Matip and Davies. That will allow us to buy an attacking player to compliment what we already have and leave Elliot to have another year out on loan. No need to bring another midfielder in, wait another year for that to see what Keita and Jones can do. Keep Kabak and hopefully bring in Konate as well.


40.) 04 Apr 2021 15:29:50
If we are selling Mane solely on him being 29 does that mean Hendo, Vvd, Allison (in Oct) and Salah will have to be sold as well.


41.) 04 Apr 2021 16:25:55
I suppose time will tell that Ed77. My own feeling is though that there’s not much to choose between players at the highest level. It’s just that some perform better than others under the pressure of a full house baying for their blood.
I play a lot of golf and it’s exactly the same. I know some golfers that are brilliant until someone is watching and they crumble. It’s a completely different game in front of an audience.
This premier league season is very much like that it’s a huge leveller. It’s no coincidence that the teams doing well by and large are the ones that don’t rely on their fans to get them over the line in tight games and who’s fans can actually hinder their team like City and West Ham and in recent years Man Utd.

{Ed077's Note - I agree some people handle pressure really well and some can't. Some players excel under the pressure and expectations while others simply crumble.

But Shaw was simply poor end of last season, begging of this even without fans. He has improved since the arrival of Telles. Might just be coincidence or maybe not.


42.) 04 Apr 2021 17:30:25
Difference with Mane, JK, is that he is not at the levels he was, whereas Henderson has continually got better with age and experience and centre backs and keepers generally have an higher ceiling in terms of their age and being effective. Whereas generally speaking, a very fair percentage of wingers tend to become less effective with age, it seems that Mane is one of those. Salah is still doing it at the top level and I reckon he’s got another four or five years at the top level looking at him. It makes economic sense to sell Mane and improve starting 11 as he’s still got a high value in the market still, I can’t recall Chelsea being sentimental about selling Hazard, they just cashed in and spent the money.


43.) 04 Apr 2021 17:32:44
Champs2020, we’ve had three years of waiting to see what Keita can do and I can tell you, absolutely nothing. The guy is a waster and a big time Charlie. We do need quality midfield reinforcements as Milner isn’t up to it anymore, Keita is just not up to it full stop and Gini is leaving.


44.) 04 Apr 2021 18:33:00
6Times I can definitely see where you’re coming from mate and whilst I agree Mane hasn’t been to his usual standards if he had scored a few more of the chances he has missed then it could be a totally different conversation. To me he looks like a player that is trying to hard and is short of confidence in the box rather than a player in decline. The frustrating part for me last night was after he slipped the first 2 times why didn’t he change his boots to longer studs. Salah could have had 3 last night and so could have Mane. The only difference in withered performance was Salah got a goal and Mane didn’t. For me both are still as good as they have been but have both been playing in a struggling team. When you’re both the key men to opposition it’s quite hard to leave your mark.


45.) 04 Apr 2021 19:53:18
Cool debate.
I’m in a minority I think as I don’t see either of Mane, Salah or Firmino being sold this Summer.
They’re all just too good, too durable and represent absolutely zero risk for Klopp and Liverpool.
They’re the modern day equivalents of Dalglish and the like, the only way they leave is if they want to.
I can see quite a few squad / fringe players leaving.
But if we can add maybe 3 or 4 quality additions, we’re good to go again in my view.


46.) 04 Apr 2021 20:30:36
6tumes - if fans were in charge there would be new players and manager every season. Mane has been a key player for us, has the perfect attitude and style for Klopp. Got C.V. at start of year and all people want to look at is his lack of goals and are ready to move him on. Like people who wanted Klopp gone, he deserves more loyalty in assessment than that.


47.) 05 Apr 2021 00:48:07
I too don't think any of the front 3 will be sold this summer. The exception being Salah; if his head is turned and he decides to behave like Suarez and Coutinho. And even then, in this CV financial environment I don't see anybody wanting to put a 100 to 120 Million down (or close to it) on any of them; I don't see Edwards being ready to sell for less than that either. So it's a stalemate either way, and meanwhile there are contracts to be fulfilled until 2023. I'd be willing to bet that 2 of our front 3 will be here when their contracts are up and will leave on free Bosmans.


48.) 06 Apr 2021 22:03:36
Literally Faithinworks, forwards are rightly judged on goals, both those created and those scored and Mane has not been doing it for a very long time, as a microcosm, he was awful against Arsenal and again tonight against Madrid. Time for a refresh, sell him now while he has value, bring someone younger to refresh our front line. Nothing to do with loyalty, players are very rarely loyal to clubs, absolute fact. They’re just employees at the end of the day. Sell Mane, Keita, Origi, Wilson, Grujic, Matip, Shaqiri, Oxlade Chamberlain and possibly Firmino.


49.) 07 Apr 2021 12:01:36
i saw a post somewhere that the hair growth hormones that Rooney and Mane had can affect the whole system. Some Mancs claim that Rooney going off the boil coincided with his hormone treatment, which apparently reduces the male hormone.
We found Fab for a relatively cheap price, along with many other great players, and we will do it again, however we will not be receiving what we would have a couple of years back for any of the star players due to the situation. That also means that other players will be cheaper too.


 

 

15 Dec 2020 08:09:08
Good morning ed002 are Liverpool able to bring any loan players back in January? I am thinking mainly of Elliot and Gruijic. Thanks.

markp08

{Ed002's Note - I think Ben Woodburn can return in January but Harvey Elliott still legally counts as a child so the loan includes "schooling" so he cannot return until the summer. Unless there is a get-out clause in the agreement with Porto, which is unlikely, then Grujic has to see out his contract until the summer, when the club will look to sell him.}


1.) 15 Dec 2020 10:24:17
Has Alan Hansen still got his boots?


2.) 15 Dec 2020 11:28:08
We could do with Grujic right now!


3.) 15 Dec 2020 16:39:52
Jose doesn't think so. made me laugh. I do love the mind games.


4.) 15 Dec 2020 22:49:16
Would you play Grujic over Jones? That's what I thought. Elliot needs to stay where he is; he's doing a great a job, but he's still a long way from challenging our front four for regular game time. I have high hopes that he will improve at Blackburn and get, at the very least, premier league loan next year. Sad as it is to say, long gone are the days when a player like Rooney comes in at 16-17 years old and makes an impact at a top ten club.


5.) 16 Dec 2020 13:12:45
Grujic would of course get plenty game time atm. In addition he would be the best header of the ball in the squad. We are a bit more vulnerable at set pieces.


6.) 17 Dec 2020 18:08:21
Ed002. Is Elliott receiving an education in Blackburn? I thought that the reason he'd gone on loan so locally was that he wouldn't have to relocate his education?

{Ed002's Note - The rules are very strict for under 18s and Blackburn is I guess an hour or so from Liverpool. Regardless, he is only 17 so can only train and play a fixed number of hours per week and must complete his schooling in the rest of the time. The club will be ensuring the rules are applied - being under 18 the rules are very specific on loans which is why they are very rare and are looked at very carefully.}


7.) 18 Dec 2020 08:11:38
Thanks for the reply Ed002. Have a great day.


8.) 18 Dec 2020 10:11:46
That's very interesting, I'd have thought being contracted to a football league club would count as an apprenticeship and therefore full time education. Considering how many don't make the grade its good to know it doesn't!


9.) 20 Dec 2020 00:39:21
Elliot is currently getting the chance to play week in week out and has the chance to prove himself instead of returning to sit on bench behind salah jota or minamino.

Grujic is barely even able to make his mark at Porto right now so why should Curtis Jones be seen as needing an upgrade with grujic. Thiago, OX and keita are still to come into the equation as all are returning to fitness now. We don't have the cluster of games every 3 days for next 5 weeks or so until CL restarts so we will be less strained with injury and fatigue to feel the need to bring back any loaned out players.


 

 

 

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11 Sep 2021 08:31:48
Real football back today. Thank fook.

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1.) 11 Sep 2021 09:36:14
I concur.


2.) 11 Sep 2021 09:53:42
Here’here.


3.) 11 Sep 2021 16:45:55
I thought real football was back tomorrow. Today is just the curtain raiser for LFC.


 

 

31 Aug 2021 21:22:03
As some said at the time we have made no further signings. I always stuck up for FSG but feel they have let Klopp down here. We are only a quality player short, life is too short for what if!

The surprise was after all no more signings.

markp08

1.) 31 Aug 2021 21:30:01
Sure we don’t know if klopp was happy not to sanction more players! If we come nonwhere in the league blame them but let’s see how we go!
We are all disgruntled I get it but let’s wait n see!


2.) 31 Aug 2021 21:36:38
I thought they would have sanctioned him one Jay. I am not too downbeat.

Thiago, Jones, Gomez, Konate, have not even played yet.


3.) 31 Aug 2021 21:38:03
You could say klopp has faith and origi, ox and taki have 6 months to repay it.

I suppose in this market signing a first teamer into the current team is 100 mill chiesa for example and if they aren't available what's the point of signing lookman for example or Rondon.

I'm disappointed but hey still think there's a player in all of them.

Time will tell, will be January before you know it.


4.) 31 Aug 2021 21:46:07
Mark, How do you work out that FSG let him down, exactly? Seriously, I’m curious.


5.) 31 Aug 2021 22:08:41
The side needs another forward at the very least and probably a midfielder. Even you can see Oli we are one short. The transfer wasn’t sanctioned, wether that’s a loan, owners money, borrowing on low interest etc money was not made available. I hope we don’t regret it.

We are so close to achieving greatness that it’s a shame that we don’t add Bissouma, Saul etc.

{Ed002's Note - The club could not afford it - I have spent the summer explaining this. Efforts to sign Bissouma and some buy now pay much later deal fell on deaf ears.}


6.) 31 Aug 2021 22:18:50
Come on Oli. In any business you have to stay on top. You see yourivals spending 3 or 4 times more than your business. You tell the owner you need Bissouma and he says no.
Therefore he let's you down.


7.) 31 Aug 2021 22:53:41
Agree completely Mark. As well as not putting us in the best possible position to challenge this season, my other massive concern is the size of the rebuild that is inevitable in a year or 2 especially with us looking to only sign players we can spread payments on and accumulate further debt.

We should be adding quality into this squad now not only for short term success but also for long term so new players can bed in slowly and learn from our superstars in their peak. At this rate we are going to need 6/ 7 first team replacements in a couple of years.


8.) 31 Aug 2021 22:59:07
You are an FSG supporter first olired a Liverpoolsupporter second. Your version of supporting Liverpool has become so blurred with your backing of the owners you can't see clearly anymore, our net spend is now around £90 million pounds since Jurgen took over which doesn't even buy you a jack grealish, shows you what a genius the man is.


9.) 31 Aug 2021 23:16:25
I guess Oli Red is happy with one title in 31 years. We ain’t coming near it this year. The Utd teams, recently City and Chelsea all have built on their successes. We haven’t.


 

 

31 Aug 2021 18:40:30
Phillips staying makes us stronger and best of all Fabs and Hendo will not be needed in defence.

markp08

1.) 31 Aug 2021 18:54:20
They will be needed in attack mate.


 

 

31 Aug 2021 08:15:50
Looks like Origi on his way out and hopefully then we will sign a replacement.

markp08

1.) 31 Aug 2021 08:25:40
Think Minamino is the Origi replacement.


2.) 31 Aug 2021 09:13:29
Sandra from the canteen is the replacement.


3.) 31 Aug 2021 09:22:56
Sandra is a centre back, she's never played any of the forward positions 🙄.


4.) 31 Aug 2021 09:24:44
We won’t be signing a replacement. We’ve just got to hope for no injuries to Jota, Salah and Mane. This feels somewhat like we’ve been here before last summer with the central defenders….


5.) 31 Aug 2021 09:25:27
Sandra will clean up this season.

{Ed025's Note - nice one 1jj..


6.) 31 Aug 2021 09:40:19
Given Origi hardly played at all in the past two seasons can someone explain why we need a direct replacement and why anybody would consider spending £ 30 - 40:m or whatever on a 5th or 6th option for the position?


7.) 31 Aug 2021 10:10:03
We are not looking for Origi replacement but we do need to add depth in attack unless Minamino or the Ox step up. Klopp doesn't seem to favour them though.


8.) 31 Aug 2021 10:26:08
Er, Origi is an attacker, we are looking for an attacker if he goes, sounds like a replacement to me. As I said he has hardly played a game for two season no so we might as well sign someone who won’t get a game. I have texted the club putting my name forward.


9.) 31 Aug 2021 12:37:37
Kaide Gordon is already better than Origi, and would probably have gotten minutes ahead of him even if Divock stays.


 

 

30 Aug 2021 22:58:34
Hendo contact tomorrow and hopefully Salah signing his contract that would be the best signing of the summer.

I still believe in the surprise for tomorrow.

markp08

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool can’t rip up his contract - but he could.}


1.) 31 Aug 2021 00:13:54
I’m still hopeful we get Bissouma, Saul and Mbappe.

{Ed0666's Note - I’m hopeful for felattio some time this century but hopes a cruel mistress.


2.) 31 Aug 2021 01:38:09
Is that the Italian lad Ed0666?

{Ed0666's Note - touché mate 😂


3.) 31 Aug 2021 06:20:03
I have laughed way more than I should’ve at this, bravo.


 

 

 

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20 Sep 2021 16:47:57
Agreed long. So in Jan we have no Salah, no Mane, no Origi and no Elliot. Makes it a little tricky.

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05 Sep 2021 20:20:11
I don’t think we can bring in anyone to play LW is going to get near Salah’s numbers. £300k a week is fair.

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05 Sep 2021 20:01:40
That is sad news I thought we would be in with a chance to sign him. Bellingham will be the best of the best. Klopp is a magician for keeping pace with our rivals.

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04 Sep 2021 08:57:53
Yep exactly, awaiting the next one.

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01 Sep 2021 17:05:01
PSG seems likely.

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20 Sep 2021 18:26:17
He hasn’t really produced anything on the pitch yet he has hardly played. You have massive red tinted specs Oli.
I like Jones but as I keep saying something wasn’t right and there were even rumours he would be sold. If you are right Oli now Elliot and Thiago are injured Jones will be starting in midfield. But I bet you it will be Keita.

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20 Sep 2021 21:56:26
Jones will surely play mate.

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20 Sep 2021 20:55:43
It’s not based at all on this season. Because that would be ridiculous, but the rumour wasn’t just made up that he might be sold. Just because he is 7th choice now he will still get game time and he can force himself up the pecking order. The left midfield spot is up for grabs.

As you say he is a young player and he can have a great season, it’s all upto him.

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20 Sep 2021 18:26:17
He hasn’t really produced anything on the pitch yet he has hardly played. You have massive red tinted specs Oli.
I like Jones but as I keep saying something wasn’t right and there were even rumours he would be sold. If you are right Oli now Elliot and Thiago are injured Jones will be starting in midfield. But I bet you it will be Keita.

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20 Sep 2021 18:45:39
Yes but as I said Oli Hendo was just getting upto speed. Of course Fabs and Hendo are first and second choice even you can see that Oli.

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