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03 Apr 2021 12:25:40
Posters on here have very very short memories. Most posters now believe that Mane should be sold. How disrespectful. He was the main man last season, better thatn Salah and one of the main reasons why we won the league. Then a few months later he gets C.V. and has a big dip in form and supporters turn agains't him.

Mane will discover his true very very soon and posters will have to offer a groveling appology. Mane I still love you man.


1.) 03 Apr 2021 12:52:54
In an ideal world, Mane does not leave and we add another top quality player upfront to compete our front 4. But in reality, we need funds to come from somewhere to refresh and build a younger squad over time.
Mane is a brilliant footballer no doubt. But he has two years left on his contract and is approaching 30 years of age, just like Bobby and Salah. I cannot envisage FSG giving Klopp sufficient funds to refresh the squad while also handing out improved long term contracts to all 3 of the mentioned players.
Salah is our most marketable player while Bobby just won't sell for much. So its naturally Mane that a lot of fans assume will be sold if an acceptable offer came in.
From a long term perspective, it makes sense to sell an ageing first choice forward along with some of the fringe attackers (Origi, Taki and Shaq) . Use the money to get two younger but very high potential players, preferably one wide player (Neto/ Raphinha) and a striker like Malen.
You cannot keep bringing in the next best talent if the existing first team players don't make way.

2.) 03 Apr 2021 13:07:49
The thing is it looks like we need to sell if we are supposed to make this team better and we have to look at this situation from clubs future perspective.
If we look at our front three.
Salah is consistent with goals he has been all his time with us. Bobby is a big part of the system and it he who allows mane and salah so many opportunities to score. Mane is a beast but he has been off the boil for a good 15 months now and when on form what he brings pace and directness to our team. But He is most easily replaced amongst the front three.
I don't want to break the trio but say if a deal for a better player younger player is available and one of the 3 has to make way, mane would be my choice.

3.) 03 Apr 2021 13:26:45
Reality shows that either Mane or Salah will need to go probably, and Salah is the world class player out of the two, plus in Jota we already have a replacement for Mane, so be realistic.

4.) 03 Apr 2021 13:44:10
Off form for 15 months? This is what I mean a totally false statement. December last year was when Mane was bagging in all the goals and winning us the league. Firmino is far far less a part of the system, the best games recently are when Firmino doesn’t play.

5.) 03 Apr 2021 14:20:53
Not disrespectful at all. It’s fairly evident that he’s on the decline and he’s certainly not getting any younger so he’s not suddenly going to get better. The sensible thing to do is cash in while he has value and use that money to bring in someone to refresh the front line. It’s obvious that Jota makes a capable replacement, so that money from the sale of Mane can go to bring someone in to add goals to the lineup as beyond Salah and Jota there’s not many goals in the side.

6.) 03 Apr 2021 14:46:37
IB, absolutely spot on.
Mane is a phenomenal footballer but it makes the most sense financially to move Mane on. Moving mane on pays for his replacement and a striker. (Pulisic and Mallen are my picks) .
Of course it would be great if we could keep him and refresh the squad with some new players but unfortunately it’s not going to happen. Now is probably the best time to seek him too, his stock is still high and his getting on a little bit. The summer after firmino will likely be moved on, again a replacement will be signed. Salah the year after.

7.) 03 Apr 2021 15:15:29
No way should we sell our best player Sadio Mane!
We need a centre forward who actually scores goals .
I’d move Bobby on and maybe Salah if he wants to go . but certainly not Sadio.

8.) 03 Apr 2021 15:39:59
Haven't seen so much bollocks posted in a long time. IB miles away from the facts. Good opening post mark.

9.) 03 Apr 2021 15:42:01
Liver la Salah as outperformed mane season after season, how do you get to that Mane is our best player, very good but blows out and cold.

10.) 03 Apr 2021 15:47:19
Mighty are you saying Salah was better than Mane last season, when we won the league? I am sure no one else agrees with you.

11.) 03 Apr 2021 15:50:50
6 times, Mane was also the main reason we won it 6 times. Against Barcelona he was the man. If Firmino or Salah had played instead we would not have won v Barca. Mane if far from on the decline, he will massively prove you wrong.

12.) 03 Apr 2021 16:45:07
You are turning a blind eye to the obvious fact that mane has been severely out of form and 100+ million for him is just too good a sum to say no to esp if it gives the team a big chance to invest on its future.
And mane was not able to win nothing in that Barcelona game till gini came up and turned it around. If there was no gini and origi we would have lost.
And mane did not win us the league it was our defense that did. You seem to easily forget that mane wouldn't have scored half of his goals if it weren't for salah and bobby. And if mane won us the league how did salah not when he scored same number of games.
There are 10 players like mane out there so the fact is he is the most replaceable in the front 3.

13.) 03 Apr 2021 16:57:04
Very few teams could afford the fee for one of the front three in any normal times, with corona decimating finances I doubt any bids will come for them. PSG perhaps but Real and Barce are broke and the club wouldn’t sell to a domestic rival. Bayern Munich tend to hoover up the best of the bundesliga and Juve can’t match the wages of the premier league.

{Ed077's Note - Juventus can easily match the wages in the PL. Maybe you should look up tax rates in the UK and Italy for starters.

14.) 03 Apr 2021 17:26:27
Mane is out of form and look at what has happened to the team in terms of goals way down. I believe Mane is just recovering from his sickness and starting from today the real Mane will show up. Start playing mane up front with Jota and Salah and he will soon rediscover his magic. Up until the suspension of the title season Mane did get most of our winning goals not Salah and certainly not Bobby.

15.) 03 Apr 2021 17:30:30
Akita you need to watch the Barcelona game again. Mane ran them ragged in the first half. They doubled up on him allowing the space for Hendo and then Gini to exploit. Mane was MOTM.

16.) 03 Apr 2021 17:39:05
Ed77, Juventus need a full rebuild and are short of cash. I can’t see them paying £100m transfer fees.

{Ed077's Note - who said anything about transfer fees. The post said Juve can't match the wages in PL and I replied they can in a little different way.

17.) 03 Apr 2021 17:45:42
He’s not going to prove me wrong. He’s at the age where we need to be moving him on while we can get a big fee for him. Yes he’s been brilliant, but you cannot live in the past and on past reputation. He’s not done it at all this season and look spent. If he has another season like this next year for us then we’ll not make a good fee from him and then will struggle to invest in the squad. As it stands he’d easily fetch £70m+ which would go very well in finding a striker who can actually put the ball in the net and replace Firmino, Jota is more than capable of replacing Mane, stop living in the past and being sentimental, it gets us nowhere. We have to be realistic about how we continue funding our squad, and it is through sales. Cold hard facts.

18.) 03 Apr 2021 18:13:35
A front 3 of Jota, Fimino and Salah is way off what is needed to win the PL. If you get £75m for Mane why not take £40m for Firmino and replace him with a goal scorer. That would give us a miles better chance.

19.) 03 Apr 2021 18:20:22
I agree with both Markp08 and Indian Buzzer. Mane’s form has dipped dramatically but I for one am not writing him off. Can he return to his best form, of course he can but this is where Indian Buzzer brings up a valid point. It is well known we are not flush with cash. Mane turns 29 in 7 days and by next summer he will be 30 years of age with 1 year remaining on his contract. If a bid comes in for say, £100M this summer we would be foolish to reject that. That isn’t a slight on Mane as a player, it’s just forward planning. I love Mane as player and for the last 2-3 years he has been sensational but as Ed2 always says, players come and go and life moves on unfortunately.

20.) 03 Apr 2021 18:37:06
Yes Alonso I see that point of course. But let’s say you get £90m for Mane then what? An in form Mane is one of our 5 main players so who are you going to replace him with. Don’t say Sancho, Barnes etc that will set us back 3 years. Why not replace Wilson, shaq and Origi with another decent player who can challenge the front 3 and Firmino?

21.) 03 Apr 2021 19:00:18
Indeed, we need to evolve and refresh.
Mo can't be sold, and I can see the argument to sell Mane.
At the end of the day, it will really depends on who we get in place.

I would not blink an eye and sell Firmino instead.

How many times have we heard Liverpool play well when Firmino does?
Well, how many times have Liverpool played well over past year?
Relying on Firmino to play well, is like relying on Matip to stay fit. Not a wise plan.

With Firmino gone, Shaq, Origi, Wilson, and maybe the Ox and Naby too, we should really get good enough fund for 2 first 11 material.

22.) 03 Apr 2021 19:56:23
I love all are front 3 Jota comes in fir Bobby he might score more than Bobby but his hold up play is nowhere near what Bobby’s is and we look a bit week up too with Jota up there. Mane form has been poor this season but nobody knows how C.V. effected him. As for Salah he does for us what is the hardest thing in the game to do score goals and gets more assists than the rest of are front 3 don’t get why so many fans don’t rate him as much as Mane is goal rate is phenomenal.

23.) 03 Apr 2021 20:51:49
Wilson, Shaqiri and Origi will all be going in the summer anyway, we’d be lucky to get anywhere £30m for them which goes nowhere. Mane is 29 this month, his output really has never been as good as Salah’s, so I think it’s sensible to sell him and reinvest. I’d sell Firmino too as he’s also knocking 30 and his output isn’t as good as it was.

This summer we need to sell Origi, Shaqiri, Wilson, Grujic, Matip, Keita, Ox, Firmino and Mane.

One of the things we used to do well was moving players on before they got to the point of being past it and refreshing the squad. Given that we have to sell to buy, I think it’s sensible to sell now than wait.

24.) 03 Apr 2021 20:57:21
Who doesn’t rate Salah as much as Mane? They are both equally important for the team but Salah gets more goals and assists but Msne overall does more tracking back. Can’t agree on Firmino hold up play half the time his second touch is a tackle. Ps he has been better so far today.

25.) 03 Apr 2021 22:52:02
Money is scarce now, mane is top drawer but to think he will fetch a huge sum at his age is unlikely in my opinion. 50 million bar a prolonged payment would be my guess. Ps he's a hero.

26.) 04 Apr 2021 02:41:56
This is a team game. each and everyone of them have given us their all. let's cherish and love each of them!

27.) 04 Apr 2021 04:52:35
LFC have to consider what to do with the "Front 3".

They are legends, but their goalscoring has simply not been good enough in 2021. Will they carry this form into next season? Then we will struggle again.

Salah 2 goals from open play in the league in 2021. Sadio and Bobby one each, I think.

Jota has already outscored them all in 2021, after playing one whole game, and then half an hour yesterday.

Front 3 are legends. But they will have to make room for younger, more productive players.

That's not disrespectful. That's simply the fact of life if a club wants to challenge the likes of City year in, year out.

28.) 04 Apr 2021 05:31:24
For all stat lovers. if salah hasn't been the best striker in the league this season then no one is worthy to be told as that. he is the top scorer.

29.) 04 Apr 2021 07:02:57
Salah is a better footballer than Mane. That is not a slight on Mane, coz Salah is just that good.

{Ed077's Note - Agreed. Salah is easily the best player of the "front 3" for me.}

30.) 04 Apr 2021 07:54:23
LLTK- Juve must have one of the biggest wage bills in football, they pay Ramsey 400k a week for a start.

31.) 04 Apr 2021 08:06:58
I must have watched a different game but was Mane the one that tried the impossible pass to Bobby instead of having a shot, fluffed the control that let to Jota buried in the back of the net for goal number 3 and then missed the header to make it four.

Look he had a good game but it was not Mane world class standards and I do think it is fair to set the bar to those standard of the past 3 seasons we know he can achieve, anything less and on a continued basis will put some criticism his way.

I will take that performance as a confidence booster for Mane and hope we see the world class Mane on Tuesday.

32.) 04 Apr 2021 08:53:15
It’s great when people say Bobby is a big part of the system. It’s like no other forward in world football closes defenders down and Mane and Salah cannot score without him. You only have to look at the games where he goes off or doesn’t play and that proves that theory wrong. Mane, Jota and Salah can all play anywhere in the front 3 and still score goals. For me Bobby can only play in the middle and still doesn’t score a great deal. Fans are even calling for him to play in midfield just to get him in the team. With the current money situation in football i can’t see anyone spending big money so if we sell Mane it could be at a far lower price than what people believe. Bobby is a firm favourite of Klopps but so is Mane and Salah so I wouldn’t be surprised to see them all stay.

33.) 04 Apr 2021 09:46:54
I really don’t think you can judge any player on this season’s form. Football without fans is a completely different game and the difference between good players and great ones is their ability to play with freedom in front of 60,000 screaming fans.
We’ve seen the likes of Luke Shaw finally show that he’s a player this season as he’s not under pressure from the toxic Old Trafford terraces.
Once fans are back next season normal service will be resumed and chaff will be chaff again and the likes of Mane will be ripping defences apart.

{Ed077's Note - Shaw playing well is a result of him finding fitness and Telles providing genuine threat for his spot in the team. He was horrendus until Telles signed for us this year too.}

34.) 04 Apr 2021 10:41:18
Please stop with wage figures. No way ramsey earns anything like 400k a week. It is still very high what he earns for the output he gives but its nowhere near 400k.

{Ed077's Note - even if its half, its still too much for an injury prone player.}

35.) 04 Apr 2021 11:04:53
Sorry but for those saying mane has to leave, you are all clueless. Firmino has to leave, for me, despite what a great player her has been for the team, he doesn’t bring that anymore. He can’t score, he’s lost pace, he hardly tracks back, he was largely missing from the game against arsenal, which has been the case for most of this season. So for me, the first person out of the front three that should be sold should be firmino, as much as I hate to say it.

36.) 04 Apr 2021 11:05:10
the general rule of thumb seems to be that some fans just need to bag one player and insist they are sold. no loyalty, no big picture, just negative get rid mentality.

37.) 04 Apr 2021 11:22:15
Great thread by the way, good to have some differing opinions argued out properly! Having read all the posts, there is obviously a big split between fans of who should be sold.
My two cents worth: People need to also Co aider the bigger picture overall in that our front three are all nearing their 30's (makes it sound old! ) during one of the worst years in modern football financially. Realistically, a shake up if the squad is required, and not just at the front. Our midfield is also in a similar age bracket and the club have to be extremely careful to maintain the last few years success, and the only way to do that is by refreshing the squad with quality.
It is well known LFC do not have the funds of other big clubs, so it is vital that the club raise money through sales to afford this quality. Unfortunately, with the emergence of Haaland and Mbappe, it has probably taken the attention of Mané and Salah by the big spenders, who have now put their financial focus on the other two.
That may be a good thing for some fans, but it also likely means if bids were to even come in for one of our front three, it will likely not be anywhere near the valuation we fans expect.
I think the club is about to arrive at a cross road and needs to make some very smart decisions ions to secure the next 5-10 years of success. Yes, we have some good youngsters coming through, but the next 2 transfer windows will be huge for LFC in my opinion and the only way to do that is by selling a high value asset or two.

38.) 04 Apr 2021 12:17:08
Faithinworks, nothing to do with not being loyal or a get rid mentality, it’s about building for long term success and with Mane and Firmino both being 29 and evidently not as effective as before, it is economic sense to sell and refresh the squad.

Players are transient employees, Mane isn’t thinking about the supporters when he gets his agents go flirt with Madrid, Barcelona and PSG is he?

There’s absolutely no doubt he’s been a great signing for us, but he’s now at the age where he’s not as effective as he once was, so it’s sensible to sell as we don’t have the benefit of being owned by a Middle East government with limitless funds or a Russian oligarch with equally unlimited funds and have to raise funds by selling.

As it is we do need seriously improve what we have. Wijnaldum is leaving, we need to move on and replace the likes of Keita, Ox, Shaqiri and Milner as for various reasons they’re not good enough, injury prone or in Milner’s case, age has caught up with him (he was terrible against Arsenal), Matip is made of glass and can’t be relied upon, we obviously need a fourth centre back, but it looks like Phillips is good enough to be fourth choice and Kabak is improving game by game so that could save a fortune.

We have a ready made replacement for Mane in Jota (a player I was delighted to see us sign as he always looked quality for Wolves), Firmino does need replacing and selling both Mane and Firmino would allow us to buy a good quality replacement and bring in some quality in midfield.

39.) 04 Apr 2021 13:33:51
I’d keep all the front 4. Let another look too much into this season. Games every 3 days, no fans no rest period etc. I think they all deserve at least one more season in front of our fans to celebrate their achievements. Then at the end of next season maybe look to move one or two of them on. I would shift on Wilson, Ojo, Grujic, Shaq, The Ox, Origi, Gini, Matip and Davies. That will allow us to buy an attacking player to compliment what we already have and leave Elliot to have another year out on loan. No need to bring another midfielder in, wait another year for that to see what Keita and Jones can do. Keep Kabak and hopefully bring in Konate as well.

40.) 04 Apr 2021 15:29:50
If we are selling Mane solely on him being 29 does that mean Hendo, Vvd, Allison (in Oct) and Salah will have to be sold as well.

41.) 04 Apr 2021 16:25:55
I suppose time will tell that Ed77. My own feeling is though that there’s not much to choose between players at the highest level. It’s just that some perform better than others under the pressure of a full house baying for their blood.
I play a lot of golf and it’s exactly the same. I know some golfers that are brilliant until someone is watching and they crumble. It’s a completely different game in front of an audience.
This premier league season is very much like that it’s a huge leveller. It’s no coincidence that the teams doing well by and large are the ones that don’t rely on their fans to get them over the line in tight games and who’s fans can actually hinder their team like City and West Ham and in recent years Man Utd.

{Ed077's Note - I agree some people handle pressure really well and some can't. Some players excel under the pressure and expectations while others simply crumble.

But Shaw was simply poor end of last season, begging of this even without fans. He has improved since the arrival of Telles. Might just be coincidence or maybe not.

42.) 04 Apr 2021 17:30:25
Difference with Mane, JK, is that he is not at the levels he was, whereas Henderson has continually got better with age and experience and centre backs and keepers generally have an higher ceiling in terms of their age and being effective. Whereas generally speaking, a very fair percentage of wingers tend to become less effective with age, it seems that Mane is one of those. Salah is still doing it at the top level and I reckon he’s got another four or five years at the top level looking at him. It makes economic sense to sell Mane and improve starting 11 as he’s still got a high value in the market still, I can’t recall Chelsea being sentimental about selling Hazard, they just cashed in and spent the money.

43.) 04 Apr 2021 17:32:44
Champs2020, we’ve had three years of waiting to see what Keita can do and I can tell you, absolutely nothing. The guy is a waster and a big time Charlie. We do need quality midfield reinforcements as Milner isn’t up to it anymore, Keita is just not up to it full stop and Gini is leaving.

44.) 04 Apr 2021 18:33:00
6Times I can definitely see where you’re coming from mate and whilst I agree Mane hasn’t been to his usual standards if he had scored a few more of the chances he has missed then it could be a totally different conversation. To me he looks like a player that is trying to hard and is short of confidence in the box rather than a player in decline. The frustrating part for me last night was after he slipped the first 2 times why didn’t he change his boots to longer studs. Salah could have had 3 last night and so could have Mane. The only difference in withered performance was Salah got a goal and Mane didn’t. For me both are still as good as they have been but have both been playing in a struggling team. When you’re both the key men to opposition it’s quite hard to leave your mark.

45.) 04 Apr 2021 19:53:18
Cool debate.
I’m in a minority I think as I don’t see either of Mane, Salah or Firmino being sold this Summer.
They’re all just too good, too durable and represent absolutely zero risk for Klopp and Liverpool.
They’re the modern day equivalents of Dalglish and the like, the only way they leave is if they want to.
I can see quite a few squad / fringe players leaving.
But if we can add maybe 3 or 4 quality additions, we’re good to go again in my view.

46.) 04 Apr 2021 20:30:36
6tumes - if fans were in charge there would be new players and manager every season. Mane has been a key player for us, has the perfect attitude and style for Klopp. Got C.V. at start of year and all people want to look at is his lack of goals and are ready to move him on. Like people who wanted Klopp gone, he deserves more loyalty in assessment than that.

47.) 05 Apr 2021 00:48:07
I too don't think any of the front 3 will be sold this summer. The exception being Salah; if his head is turned and he decides to behave like Suarez and Coutinho. And even then, in this CV financial environment I don't see anybody wanting to put a 100 to 120 Million down (or close to it) on any of them; I don't see Edwards being ready to sell for less than that either. So it's a stalemate either way, and meanwhile there are contracts to be fulfilled until 2023. I'd be willing to bet that 2 of our front 3 will be here when their contracts are up and will leave on free Bosmans.

48.) 06 Apr 2021 22:03:36
Literally Faithinworks, forwards are rightly judged on goals, both those created and those scored and Mane has not been doing it for a very long time, as a microcosm, he was awful against Arsenal and again tonight against Madrid. Time for a refresh, sell him now while he has value, bring someone younger to refresh our front line. Nothing to do with loyalty, players are very rarely loyal to clubs, absolute fact. They’re just employees at the end of the day. Sell Mane, Keita, Origi, Wilson, Grujic, Matip, Shaqiri, Oxlade Chamberlain and possibly Firmino.

49.) 07 Apr 2021 12:01:36
i saw a post somewhere that the hair growth hormones that Rooney and Mane had can affect the whole system. Some Mancs claim that Rooney going off the boil coincided with his hormone treatment, which apparently reduces the male hormone.
We found Fab for a relatively cheap price, along with many other great players, and we will do it again, however we will not be receiving what we would have a couple of years back for any of the star players due to the situation. That also means that other players will be cheaper too.



15 Dec 2020 08:09:08
Good morning ed002 are Liverpool able to bring any loan players back in January? I am thinking mainly of Elliot and Gruijic. Thanks.


{Ed002's Note - I think Ben Woodburn can return in January but Harvey Elliott still legally counts as a child so the loan includes "schooling" so he cannot return until the summer. Unless there is a get-out clause in the agreement with Porto, which is unlikely, then Grujic has to see out his contract until the summer, when the club will look to sell him.}

1.) 15 Dec 2020 10:24:17
Has Alan Hansen still got his boots?

2.) 15 Dec 2020 11:28:08
We could do with Grujic right now!

3.) 15 Dec 2020 16:39:52
Jose doesn't think so. made me laugh. I do love the mind games.

4.) 15 Dec 2020 22:49:16
Would you play Grujic over Jones? That's what I thought. Elliot needs to stay where he is; he's doing a great a job, but he's still a long way from challenging our front four for regular game time. I have high hopes that he will improve at Blackburn and get, at the very least, premier league loan next year. Sad as it is to say, long gone are the days when a player like Rooney comes in at 16-17 years old and makes an impact at a top ten club.

5.) 16 Dec 2020 13:12:45
Grujic would of course get plenty game time atm. In addition he would be the best header of the ball in the squad. We are a bit more vulnerable at set pieces.

6.) 17 Dec 2020 18:08:21
Ed002. Is Elliott receiving an education in Blackburn? I thought that the reason he'd gone on loan so locally was that he wouldn't have to relocate his education?

{Ed002's Note - The rules are very strict for under 18s and Blackburn is I guess an hour or so from Liverpool. Regardless, he is only 17 so can only train and play a fixed number of hours per week and must complete his schooling in the rest of the time. The club will be ensuring the rules are applied - being under 18 the rules are very specific on loans which is why they are very rare and are looked at very carefully.}

7.) 18 Dec 2020 08:11:38
Thanks for the reply Ed002. Have a great day.

8.) 18 Dec 2020 10:11:46
That's very interesting, I'd have thought being contracted to a football league club would count as an apprenticeship and therefore full time education. Considering how many don't make the grade its good to know it doesn't!

9.) 20 Dec 2020 00:39:21
Elliot is currently getting the chance to play week in week out and has the chance to prove himself instead of returning to sit on bench behind salah jota or minamino.

Grujic is barely even able to make his mark at Porto right now so why should Curtis Jones be seen as needing an upgrade with grujic. Thiago, OX and keita are still to come into the equation as all are returning to fitness now. We don't have the cluster of games every 3 days for next 5 weeks or so until CL restarts so we will be less strained with injury and fatigue to feel the need to bring back any loaned out players.



12 Jun 2020 10:15:18
Hey Ed's and fellow reds, hope you are all doing ok under the circumstances. I have not been able to check on the site much recently as have been crazy busy at work.

A massive thanks to ed002, your detailed responses to questions and your knowledge is unmatched. One quick question if I may, I see our one major weakness being back up gk. I would spend the little money we have fixing this issue. Any thoughts ed and are we looking for an upgrade? Then if we manage to sell some players and reduce the wage bill we can maybe look to strengthen other areas later.


{Ed002's Note - Adrian (G) has a year to run on his contract but Real Betis would like Liverpool to release him for free this summer - but the club would prefer him to stay - and I expect him the stay and perhaps next year it becomes a priority.}

1.) 12 Jun 2020 11:20:12
Not the answer I was hoping for but thanks for the answer.

{Ed002's Note - The club also has Kelleher and Grabara.}

2.) 12 Jun 2020 11:20:44
Karius has recently come out and said he wants to stay and fight for the keeping position, do you think we will even contemplate him staying next season or are we actively trying to move him on.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool will look to move him on if they can - and don't forget the club has to comply with the non-HG limit.}

3.) 12 Jun 2020 12:09:00
I don’t see this as a priority. Adrian is ok for the job. Not many sides have two absolutely top drawer keepers. Look at City, they’ve got Ederson and Bravo, Bravo is a dodgy keeper at best and it’s fair comment that Adrian is a far better than him.

4.) 12 Jun 2020 13:52:20
Adrian is a good back up keeper, who is better is going to come to sit on the bench? the Atletico game aside Adrian has done a good job and its harder for sub keepers as they rarely get game time to sharpen up.

5.) 12 Jun 2020 15:52:59
Thanks for the info Eds, who looks more ready for the first team, Kelleher and Grabara? I remember reading Grabara is the Polish U21 keeper and is quite highly rated if memory serves.

{Ed002's Note - I understand both are well thought of - the same age and both are Home Grown.}

6.) 12 Jun 2020 17:48:21
In my opinion having watched both. Whilst in youth teams. I always felt Grabara was the better of the 2. And seemed to look more imposing than Kellacher. But at their age. It can swing quickly!

7.) 12 Jun 2020 18:22:49
Adrian seems like a great guy but there’s no way he’s up the standard unfortunately. Don’t forget we went our of two cup competitions in the space of a week before the break, due to his errors.

8.) 12 Jun 2020 20:18:23
Barring Romero at United, Adrian is at least as good as if not better than most number two keepers in the premier league, not a position that is worth spaffing a load of money on given the dire financial situation that we are in.

9.) 12 Jun 2020 20:46:51
I’d say gazzaniga is better than Adrian too.

10.) 13 Jun 2020 22:33:06
But again, he’s an ok backup and it’s hardly a priority right now.



10 Jun 2019 10:26:06
Are Liverpool trying to sign / still hold interest in Bruno Fernandes?

Some sites are saying he is close to signing for United, and others say Liverpool FC are close to the signing.


1.) 10 Jun 2019 11:19:56
Spurs are interested, especially if Eriksen leaves. They also have interest in Lo Celso. I don’t know if they want both. This has been on this site.
Any other information I’ve read is conflicting, I agree. No two sources are saying the same thing.
Type ‘Chiesa’ into the search bar to see Ed002’s comments on him.

2.) 10 Jun 2019 12:59:17
Echo have literally just put out that were set to sign 💪🏼.

3.) 10 Jun 2019 13:04:30
We hold interest as Ed has stated previously but we don’t know anything more.

We are keen to bring someone into that role.

4.) 10 Jun 2019 13:23:20
Markp08, yes interested but no approach to his club. Manchester bound very likely if not about done already.

5.) 10 Jun 2019 14:10:49
I can't see why United would be an appealing option for him other than money reasons. Attacking based midfielders, kagawa, depay, mhychatarian, di Maria, Sanchez, pogba, mata have seen their careers damaged or slowed down lately, United are currently a fresh rebuild which doesn't even seem ready to start yet, with a manager who already seems out of his depth with no champions league football. If he would choose United in this current moment over other teams it would show him as a player and person I wouldn't want anyway. He seems like a hard working commited player on the field but maybe his career ambition doesn't reflect that. I'd be amazed if any top player chose United and ole over spurs and Liverpool, poch and klopp for any sort of footballing reasons. Of course I'm presuming United aren't his only option.

6.) 10 Jun 2019 14:23:38
I get what your saying Har and I agree mate. However it seems he is swaying towards the Red half of Manchester. It will be financial reasons.

7.) 10 Jun 2019 15:37:48
Is there genuine truth to that virgil? Shocking decision the lad has made if the case. Makes no sense, a team very far away from playing a style to suit him unless ole drastically brings a complete different approach. He'd suit Liverpool city spurs or Chelsea far more.

8.) 10 Jun 2019 16:25:53
Tbh Har_red92 I’m not a so called ITK mate lol by any stretch. Just from what I can gather from here and the Itd pages and talking to others it certainly seems to be that he is heading to Utd. The very fact we’ve not even spoke to his club whilst others have says a lot. Also the cost of the guy up in the 70-80M area with us not looking to spend that amount. Will see I guess but my money would be on Utd.

9.) 10 Jun 2019 17:17:43
Yeah I always thought a 50 mil offer or roughly that ball park is what sporting would actually accept. They're not financially great and he's their only major money asset. Unless multiple teams are offering at once I couldn't see 80mil being the lowest Lisbon would accept. I get that we probably aren't fussed with that kind of fee I was just hopeful we might splurge the kind of money that was nearly spent on fekir last year. I think he'd fit us nicely, probably the best no.10 available this summer and a club with little financial strength to refuse decent bids.

10.) 10 Jun 2019 17:43:17
Agree entirely mate. I think he is the best option available and Klopp would work wonders inter grating him into the team, but doesn’t look likely. We also have Kieta and Ox who will need game time.

11.) 10 Jun 2019 18:40:30
Yeah I agree bud, for that type of money you would want to be expecting a weakness being vastly improved instead of hoping to just add to an already strong midfield. Many people still think a 10 is needed but I'm not so sure. Klopp looked to try and implement 4231 last year, I feel that was why a fekir type was wanted. I feel he's learned 433 suits us much better and a midfielder might actually be of zero importance anymore.

12.) 10 Jun 2019 21:54:46
Like he fabinho signing out of knowere, i would not be surprised that i wake up to see him signed for us, if klopp wants him. If he doesn't then I respect Klopp's plans as he knows far more about football than any of us.

{Ed025's Note - speak for yourself jammin.. :)

13.) 10 Jun 2019 22:02:38
Ed025, edit: a manager at the highest level knows a hell of a lot more than me. But would also question anyone that thinks they know more about football than one of the best managers of our time.

{Ed025's Note - its subjective jammin, and tongue in cheek at times mate..

14.) 10 Jun 2019 23:07:42
I love a deal out of nowhere. I remember kewell at the time hitting my complete surprise when I first heard. So excited for that deal, what a let down haha. And Andy Carroll out of nowhere too. Another terrible let down. Raul meireles too happened fast with no previous links.

15.) 10 Jun 2019 23:45:06
Virg if he is our top target for AM we better get a move on.

16.) 10 Jun 2019 23:49:38
We don't have any big areas of weakness anymore Har. So now we need to try and turn good or very good players to great. I still think the midfield could do with one really top addition.

17.) 10 Jun 2019 23:53:31
Yes Man Utd have been playing crap football recently but I don't think we can say that Fernandes going there would be for the money. Its possible that he is buying into the plan that Ole has (if Woodward allows him to have one) . Im going to wait and see what sort of footy they try to play next year.

18.) 11 Jun 2019 01:51:37
Possibly. I just think at this moment in time if he had options of where to move, United are the furthest behind in football attraction. No champions league and a group of players that need overhaul aplenty.

19.) 11 Jun 2019 02:48:32
Yeah mark but I think if we were to bring in a high quality midfielder, only one of OX, keita, gini, Milner, henderson could play the 8 role if fabinho in the 6. Asides from Milner, as we need his versatility. I could not choose between 1 of those to move on, we have no reason to replace any, and we can't keep them all, OX and keita offered no contribution last year. It's essentially like we have already gained 2 new players with fresh starts.

20.) 10 Jun 2019 23:19:52
Ed025 you clearly are not on here enough for people to get that scouse sense of humour mate. What are you doing with your time? Actually don't answer that, there are some things in life you just don't want to know.

{Ed025's Note - people tend to get too serious at times burkey, life is too short for seriousness all the time so im here to lighten the mood mate, hell im an evertonian for gods sake and spend most of my time crying so i come on here for respite and a way to vent my frustration, most people get me and some dont and they are the ones that make it all worthwhile.. :)

21.) 10 Jun 2019 23:21:51
I only saw your smile emoji after i replied ed025 . I'm a bit emoji unaware. Old age.

{Ed025's Note - no problem jammin mate, im old as well but still very attractive to women so it does,nt bother me so much.. :)

22.) 11 Jun 2019 07:45:00
Haha, I love Ed025's sharp snarky wit, it warms my cockles on those cold footballess nights. If ya ever need a hug or a shoulder to cry on (like when Richarlison leaves next month) I'm here for ya mate.

{Ed025's Note - thats nice to know JM,...although i would prefer it to be carol kirkwood of course mate.. :)

23.) 11 Jun 2019 08:21:37
Jaysus Ed025, that's a bit harsh. You just ain't seen me in hot-pants yet.

{Ed025's Note - even just reading that puts me in a cold sweat JM.. :)

24.) 11 Jun 2019 09:11:22
Markp08 I meant he is possibly our best option mate but not our top target I don’t think. Like I say I think he is Utd bound mate unfortunately.

25.) 11 Jun 2019 10:35:54
Ed025 is a double for George Clooney or is that George Formby🤔.

{Ed025's Note - its definitely clooney barry...unless im cleaning windows mate.. :)

26.) 11 Jun 2019 11:57:01
Or leaning on a lamppost Ed😁.

{Ed025's Note - very much so barry.. :)



28 Jan 2019 23:19:02
Looks like VVD, TAA and Gomez will all be missing on Wednesday.

We don't have much pace to deal with Vardy. Looks like we will have to defend deeper, no other option.

Just Pray VVD can get off his sick bed.


1.) 29 Jan 2019 01:56:05
guess we will have to go back to the old style of "score one more than the opposition"

2.) 29 Jan 2019 06:29:35
Nooooo. Virgil has to be ok surely, I’ve had a cold and cough last week or so but I’ve still gone to work lol.

3.) 29 Jan 2019 06:37:09
I must admit I'm quite concerned about this game going on that news, fingers crossed we can get the three points but I'm not very confident about this one.

4.) 29 Jan 2019 07:26:39
It’s going to snow in he midlands this week, maybe Vardy and Gray will simultaneously slip and twist an ankle. looks left and right)

5.) 29 Jan 2019 07:42:13
Salah, I share the same worries and thoughts mate. Could well be a struggle especially if Virgil is out. Don’t like the thought of Vardy, Gray and co running at Matip and Camacho. Are well it is what it is I guess and we will find out soon enough we’re we are at.

6.) 29 Jan 2019 07:53:34
We beat Leicester at their place earlier in the season, I have no doubt we'll see the off again tomorrow. May be a bit scrappy but I'm confident 👍.

7.) 29 Jan 2019 07:54:27
Bloody hell lads - what's going on? We have just had 11 days off, and we are playing at Anfield under the lights. Our defence and midfield will be similar to theirs but our front 3 will cause them all sorts of problems.

The team will need the support more than ever on Wednesday, stay positive. It won't all be plain sailing in winning the league.

No more negative posts.

8.) 29 Jan 2019 07:51:19
This is why our manager's use to say no one man is bigger than the club. We all start panicking because VVD is out, we just need to support the other £300M+ worth of talent we put out on the pitch.
Here's a stat to give you hope. Leicester have been beaten in the Premier league 9 times with teams that didn't contain VVD, TAA or any of our regular back line.

9.) 29 Jan 2019 07:53:34
We beat Leicester at their place earlier in the season, I have no doubt we'll see the off again tomorrow. May be a bit scrappy but I'm confident 👍.

10.) 29 Jan 2019 07:54:27
Bloody hell lads - what's going on? We have just had 11 days off, and we are playing at Anfield under the lights. Our defence and midfield will be similar to theirs but our front 3 will cause them all sorts of problems.

The team will need the support more than ever on Wednesday, stay positive. It won't all be plain sailing in winning the league.

No more negative posts.

11.) 29 Jan 2019 09:09:45
I’m no expert but I’d reckon they are more worried about our attack than we need to be about theirs.
It’ll be very difficult for them to attack at all when we smother them and bag 3 in the first half!

12.) 29 Jan 2019 10:45:56
For goodness sake, we are Liverpool, we are top of the Premier League, we are playing at home, it’s Leicester not Barcelona, they have lost 9 out of 23 Premier League games, we have got 29 points more then them - and they have got Wes Morgan and Harry Maguire in central
defence! Get a grip lads and have some faith in our manager and his squad.

13.) 29 Jan 2019 11:26:20
Have you been hanging around Walter salah? This is the first time I've seen a negative comment from you. ;)

14.) 29 Jan 2019 11:28:18
Van dijk will play unless he's still got the runs until 20 minutes before the game. He's made of stronger stuff and knows how important he is to us. I have no doubt he will play.

{Ed025's Note - gastroenteritis is a bad bug nun, if he plays i hope he does,nt lovren himself.. :)

15.) 29 Jan 2019 11:44:59
Surely you could lend him a couple of your immodiums ed25? 😉.

{Ed025's Note - either that or a pair of my lycra shorts KK.. :)

16.) 29 Jan 2019 12:49:44
If VVD sharted early in the game then that would prompt the Leicester players from getting too close - perfect solution for me.

17.) 29 Jan 2019 12:52:14
I'm confident of a 3-0 victory.

18.) 29 Jan 2019 13:28:08
I’ve seen us beat Leicester loads of times before we signed VVD and before we were anywhere near as good as we are now.
Why is everyone panicking so much?

19.) 29 Jan 2019 15:41:18
Alisson, Milner, Matip, Lovren, Robertson are enough against Leicester City.

20.) 29 Jan 2019 15:59:10
Uh no Milner maybe Camacho.

21.) 29 Jan 2019 17:34:43
Wow, a couple of injuries and this site suddenly turns in an episode of Dad's Army. Don't panic, don't panic!

22.) 29 Jan 2019 17:37:54
and I get told all season to be realistic? hypocrites.

23.) 29 Jan 2019 17:38:36
Klippertys klopp, hahaha about right mate lol.

24.) 29 Jan 2019 20:10:13
This is my worst fear. in the space of a week we will be behind city playing catch up. the league is finally lost even earlier than I expected.
Was good whilst it lasted.

25.) 29 Jan 2019 22:17:24
And suddenly its a chance to go 7 clear :)




markp08's banter posts with other poster's replies to markp08's banter posts


03 May 2021 15:13:12
Do people still think we have a better squad than Man U? They are favourites to be second again next season. A year ago we would of all said we were miles ahead and now it's not such an easy call. If they had a top manager and added a couple of players they would probably challenge for the title. We have to get our summer recruitment right or we could quickly find ourselves battling for fourth again. Massive summer coming up.


1.) 03 May 2021 15:46:09
I don't worry about them we are far superior.

2.) 03 May 2021 15:55:27
We 100 percent have a better team than united even united fans won't argue on that. Apart from probably bruno they don't have a player that gets into our last season team. Each of our players walks into their team.
Also since when has coming second become the benchmark for success. 2nd 3rd 4th is all same.
United's best season since 2013 lands them at best 82 points if they win all there games. We hit 99 in start stop season which for most fans was well under what could have been achieved.
Each season united add two three big players and go nowhere close to winning the league. They have had big managers too in van gaal and mourinho
You make some incredibly ill informed posts mark.
Its not a big summer for us stop creating the hype. All we need is a clearance sale for some players who haven't cut it because our wage bill is not sustainably and a replacement for any first team member if they desire to leave.
We are still the same team that won the title and the CL and there is no problem with the team. I am quite happy we don't buy no one than waste money on players we don't actually need. It seems konate is done and i think that is more than enough.
I would like a goal scoring midfielder but i think jones and ox need to be played more before dipping into the market.

3.) 03 May 2021 15:57:17
We are definitely not far superior anymore. If you picked a 22 man squad they would get at least 10 players in.

4.) 03 May 2021 16:03:34
Too many sick notes in our team sentiment has gotten to a lot of fans when a lot should of been gated! Same 13/ 14 players carrying the team all season! So no our squad isn’t better then utds in my eyes!

5.) 03 May 2021 16:22:14
11st 11 though Mark they'd probably have 2,maybe 3 at best.

6.) 03 May 2021 16:31:40
Utd had a stronger SQUAD though probably since Jurgens being here! The fact they've had the core of their 1st choice centrebacks AND 1st choice midfield 3 of McTominay/ Fred/ Bruno practically ever present while i'd doubt our equivolent of Virg, Joe, Thiago, Hendo and Fab even played 1 game together this season can't be downplayed. We've had to play a totally different game this year. Put it this way, if we had them 5 players yesterday together Olè would have done his usual best Josè impression of camping on the edge of his own box hoping for the odd breakaway or setpiece, even at Old Trafford just like last season.

7.) 03 May 2021 16:35:32
Not better in my eyes either probably the squads are around the same with our first 11 being better when all fit. Akira you need to take the red tinted specs off, Rashford walks into our side as does Cavarni atm.
As you say Jay hard to believe our group will stay fit next season.

8.) 03 May 2021 16:52:59
It’s true Jay we probably get 7 out of the first 11, but we can’t rely on Hendo, Fabs, Gomez to play a full season and if we don’t find a lb to give Robbo a break then he will burn out again.

9.) 03 May 2021 17:09:37
Rashford at his best ahead of Sadio on top form Mark?

10.) 03 May 2021 17:28:49
Tsimakas can give Robbo a break, he's a good player! Klopps just being reluctant to take Trent and Robbo out while the central defence was obliterated. The club certainly don't need to waste funds on a new left back.

{Ed0666's Note - Are you sure mate?? Tsimakis is terrible.

11.) 03 May 2021 17:57:24
Our squad fully fit and on form is absolutely better than Uniteds squad fully fit and on form.

12.) 03 May 2021 18:23:36
Is he though Ed? from what he showed before we bought him most people were very happy wit the signing. And what has he had a chance to show this season with Robbo playing every game? He's a squad player, and he is definitely good enough for that role.

{Ed0666's Note - I think the problem is that robbo is so good that any understudy has a thankless task when replacing him. It’s telling when Tsmakis has been fit and robbo has played a tonne of games klopp doesent rest robbo.

13.) 03 May 2021 18:47:29
But if virg and Gomez weren't out all season Tsimikas would have featured a lot more.

14.) 03 May 2021 19:22:00
I agree JH.

15.) 03 May 2021 20:04:28
Give me break name any player from united apart from bruno you would have in your first 11 given all our first team players are available.
I dint think you guys get how difficult it is to win back to back titles and carry on same performance every year. Add to it how we have been hit by injuries and kloppos failure to settle for a backline we have been bad. We create less so we score less. Salah and mane were missing chances left right and centre when we won last couple ofseason too but there was a lot provided by trent and robbo. Also our defense was so calm we never looked like conceding. We won a lot of games by 1 goal margins.
Yes mane and bobby have dropped considerably this season but a couple of months of rest and they will be starting next season on fire. I truly believe that. Players don't turn crap in one season.

16.) 03 May 2021 20:53:28
Bobby gets no where near a combined first 11. I agree mane on top form gets in every time. I love Mane but I am beginning to fear that we may never see his best again. When I see average defenders giving Mane a yard and beating him to the ball it really worries me.

17.) 04 May 2021 04:46:49
Plus if mane gets touched by the opposition, he just goes over and sits there like a petulant child when he doesn’t get a free kick awarded. he just needs to man up and stay on his feet. At the moment, he and firmino are first on the chopping block for me (if it boils down to getting as much money to fund buying other quality players)



02 May 2021 14:00:50
If we win all 4 games we still have a chance to get top 4. Chelsea's fixtures are tricky and Leicester's aren't that much better.


1.) 02 May 2021 14:15:26
Personally I don't think we deserve top 4.

2.) 02 May 2021 14:26:50
If we get it we'll deserve it on the basis that we scored more points than 16 other teams.

If we don't, then it'll be obvious we didn't deserve it.

Rocket science, I know.

3.) 02 May 2021 15:17:06
things won't look too good when we get beat today, if you look at the stats, when Fab plays in midfield, we have a good chance of a result,
when Fab plays at centre back, we don't win,
has Klopp seen these stats,
anyway big Nat Phillips is out again,
klopp won't give a game to Davies, just like he delayed giving Big Nat his first run out,
so its Fab in the back four,
and we don't win .
I want something from this game as much as anyone, but as
United are scoring for fun, with a lot of different players scoring,
we have Mo, where would we be without him, but he will score one and miss five,
so fingers and toes crossed we don't get hammered today .

4.) 02 May 2021 15:24:34
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts.

Reality check. We have no logical chance of qualifying for the champions league. We’re relying on snookers.

(1) It relies on Chelsea losing at least three games, since the chances of us getting anything out of today’s game are at best, extremely slim.

(2) It then relies on us going on a run of winning four games, given the way we played so flaccidly against Newcastle and Leeds, I can’t see us doing much better in our remaining games.

(3) We’re not scoring goals and we’re conceding cheaply, not exactly a recipe for winning matches. Our defence is almost non existent and our attack offers little tangible threat.

(4) Our midfield offers nothing going forward and gives absolutely no protection to our defence.

(5) Too many players exhausted, out of form, not pulling their weight or not quite good enough.

(6) We literally have only one remotely competent centre back available, VVD, Matip, Gomez and now Phillips all out injured in one form or another, Kabak is left on his own as Williams is absolutely terrible and we have no idea if Ben Davies actually exists.

But other than that, yeah. We’ll get to the champions league.

5.) 02 May 2021 15:38:50
Looks like Fabinho is in midfield, that’s increased our chances of a result immensely. Let’s hope our forward line have found their shooting boots.

6.) 02 May 2021 15:43:53
BBC have Phillips in the starting XI with Fabs in midfield along with Thiago and Milner. That's a boost.

7.) 02 May 2021 15:47:44
Huge relief Something Red, we stand a chance now.

8.) 02 May 2021 15:56:00
Careful there mate, you almost sound positive ;)

9.) 02 May 2021 16:12:17
WOW, We have a chance, Fab back in midfield makes a huge difference to our team, ha we might get a draw now,
just hope its a good game to watch and we put in a decent performance .

10.) 02 May 2021 16:16:10
It’s literally the only positive thing we’ve seen in the last couple of weeks.



02 May 2021 09:13:30
Mark's for the season. Have to have played at least 5 games or so

Allison 5.5
Trent 5
Kabak 5
Phillips 6
Robbo 6
Matip 6.5
Gomez 7.5
Fabs 6.5
Hendo 6.5
Jota 7
Salah 7.5
Thiago 5
Gini 4.5
Firmino 3
Mane 3
Keita 1
Milner 6.5
Jones 6

Klopp 3.


1.) 02 May 2021 10:01:55
Klopp 3? Despite everything being thrown at the team this season he’s still got them giving everything they have got every game, the players are absolutely knackered. Klopp gets an 8 from me.

2.) 02 May 2021 10:09:10
An 8? He has barely done anything right this season. Last season 9.5 and this season 3 is generous. The players aren’t knackered it’s just another excuse, players love excuses they use them as a get out of jail card. The fixtures fell nicely for us and 3 times we had 9 days off but we came back worse.
Can you say a few things Klopp did well this season?

{Ed014's Note - what did Keita get a 1 for? Putting his boots on the right feet?

3.) 02 May 2021 10:18:15
Klopp 3? Really? Honestly, we've been bang average since the early '90s and the man who brought back the good times - which I never thought I'd see again - gets a 3. Supporters eh, who needs them.

4.) 02 May 2021 10:36:53
I think a 6 for Robbo is harsh. He’s arguably been our best player but clearly been in need of a rest these last few months.

5.) 02 may 2021 10:48:08
klopp gets 4 for me. once the players got injured he couldn't change his tactics at all. he tried the same thing over and over again playing midfielders in defense and completely breaking the backbone of team. we lost 6 in row at anfield for whatever be the reasons that alone cuts 6 points from his score for me. also he hasn't changed formations to suit the players available to him. he hasn't been able to rotate or rest the front three or robbo despite options being available and they have been ran ragged and the form shows. and the biggest worry our football oh god the football we play hurts my eyes. his substitutions are still questionable. he is cranky very cranky this season. probably needs to relax and be better for next season.
so if you are telling me if his two main defenders break, klopp will fall from 1st to 7th and its acceptable because he is giving it all, its an excuse and a difficult one to buy.
kloppo hasn't adapated his football to the circumstances around him. still wouldn't want anyone else as manager at lfc but he doesn't get away with criticism cuz he has excuses. our football has been a tough watch.

6.) 02 May 2021 10:52:54
I wanted to give Robbo more but he has been running on empty for a while now. Lots of reasons for the low marks but just have to score it on the performance on the field.
Ed14 ok we can change to a zero but that might be too generous 😄.
Johnny come on man it’s not a mark for his time at LFC it’s a mark for this season. It’s been bad decision after bad decision if we don’t make top 4 then a 3 out of 10 is generous IMO.

7.) 02 May 2021 11:04:24
6.5 for Hedno?

Other than not getting the njured, what more could we have asked of the bloke this season?

8.) 02 May 2021 11:07:37
Genuinely don't know what to make of Salah. Goal record speaks for itself, but plenty of times he coulda/ shoulda/ woulda but didn't when we badly needed him to.

9.) 02 May 2021 11:10:19
I think Mark has given the ratings on this seasons performances not over any other seasons. Klopp at 3 is quite low but in my own opinion he or any of the players (except Salah) justify a higher rating than 5.
That is solely based on what these players have achieved this season compared to what they have achieved in the past. At the moment we have a nuclear of world class players and manager who are likely to finish the season in a position close to what Borini, Lambert, Balotelli etc and Rodgers who got called a bottle job managed for the club.

Yes we can blame the C.V., no fans, wind, rain, grass to long, fixture congestion, Alisons feet were cold, TV controlling kick off times or injury but sadly the record books will not show any of this just a final league position.

My hope is we put some kind of run together now and finish in the top 4 which will save the season and paper over the cracks. I’m not saying the players are crap before anyone bawls their eyes out. The players and manager are and have been world class. But as a collective we have been diabolical since Dec and the Pace game. This season will hopefully have no outcome on next and we see a free flowing top class side again next season.

For me though it’s been a poor season and the players and manager would probably agree if they were to give an honest answer. The beauty is we have Klopp and some of these players for a few more seasons yet so they have opportunity to right this season next season.

10.) 02 May 2021 11:29:53
Why grade a team players performance for this season? Is it the teams fault we have been decimated with injuries had no time to train and have had to patch the team together more than any other? Support the team I’d love to see how you would get on playing with two hands tied behind your back for 3/ 4 of a season.

11.) 02 May 2021 11:48:46
Klopp has definitely had a poor season, some of team selections have been very strange to say the least, whilst his tactical nous has been tested and he has come out wanting. As much as I love the guy, his decision making this second half of the season has been bad. However the drop in form started from the moment football was restarted after the first lockdown in the previous season and klopp did nothing about it then. Playing players out of position created imbalance all over the team so a lot of the teams that we should be beating either beat us or we dropped points against them. So a score of 3 for klopp this season is fair.

12.) 02 May 2021 11:59:00
I don't get why some of you even watch football. Unless its going absolutely perfectly all that seems to happen is whining and bitching about what's wrong. There's some on here I'd genuinely not like to know in "real" life because judging by what goes on here they are the most negative people I've ever seen. If a bunch of footballers getting injured/ not winning a few games annoys you that much maybe its time to find something new to do. Why get in such a strop over something you've absolutely no say in or control over? It's not healthy and it doesn't make you a "real fan" either.

13.) 02 May 2021 12:13:54
As fans we are all entitled to our opinions, you may not agree but it doesn’t make us any less of a fan than those who can't see what’s in front of them. Your opinion is your opinion, leave it at that, there’s no point in calling people who provide constructive feedback on the team when the team is performing way below par as not true fans or thinking they are just negative people in real life and people who you wouldn’t like to know. We are passionate about the club and therefore when the team plays bad, that passion will make us comment. If you don’t like that, then don’t read them!

14.) 02 May 2021 12:17:45
I’m not going to give marks on how Klopp has done, or most of the team as it’s been an incredibly difficult season. But Naby Keita does deserve a big fat zero as he’s been absolutely horrific when he’s played and he just doesn’t care, no effort, nothing. He needs to be binned off at the earliest opportunity.

15.) 02 May 2021 12:42:57
I can see clearly what's going on this season. I'm also of a vintage that has seen us have worse seasons with absolutely none of the problems that have been encountered this season. Opinions are fine, and welcome, but some aren't opinions it's constant criticism of the players for being poor when they've been ran into the ground. If blame is to be given out then it lies at the feet of Klopp, Gordon, Henry and Werner.

16.) 02 May 2021 13:53:18
How does Gomez get joint highest with salah. You are way out with these Mark.
I have to say you come across as a very negative half empty pint type person.

17.) 02 May 2021 15:48:07
I think you are being generous on Thiago.



28 Apr 2021 07:52:35
Can anyone think there are any positives to take out of this season. Maybe Jota's early goal scoring that is all I can think off.


1.) 28 Apr 2021 08:12:02
Alison didn't persist with the Magnum P. I. look.

2.) 28 Apr 2021 08:13:27
Harvey Elliot has been nominated for young players of the season. There’s a positive.

3.) 28 Apr 2021 08:17:55
i think the progression of Curtis Jones has been positive, he has had plenty of game time and didn't look out of place. Milner has never let anyone down, Salah's Goals although he could have had plenty more . Phillips has been really good when picked, Trent coming back into form, so there are a few that can be taken. Hopefully it will have been the kick up the backside to a few.

4.) 28 Apr 2021 08:22:45
It’s nearly over. There’s a positive.

5.) 28 Apr 2021 08:26:25
I would say a clear insight into the overall squads capability and a reality check for anyone who may have believed overhyped opinions on the team after two very good seasons. Experience for some younger players and no more excuses for squad players that may have found it difficult to get in the team with the form of the starting 11.

6.) 28 Apr 2021 08:52:46
I agree with 6 times to be fair!

There has been the odd game I have loved mind, Leeds at home, Chelsea away, Atalanta away.

None since Christmas sadly 😭.

7.) 28 Apr 2021 08:56:02
Spot on, 6Times. It will all be over very soon and the end cannot come quicker.

8.) 28 Apr 2021 09:16:50
Think allot of the modern fans have forgot about the most important thing called support. Every season is brilliant regardless of how it goes. Most people don't fall in love with the club because they won something.

9.) 28 Apr 2021 09:18:00
Mo scoring a load of goals again, without them we would be really bad instead of just bad.

10.) 28 Apr 2021 10:02:53
I second what Jesuschristalmighty has said. Sometimes you need to go through the bad times to know who can be counted on. There will likely be a major bloodletting in the summer, one that is definitely overdue, that will allow us to evolve and improve. Do you think we would have signed Alisson if Karius hadn’t lost us the champions league final? Probably not.

A bad experience can be turned into a positive, so long as you learn and grow from it. what's more, all of this has taken place in the one season that fans have not been present, with football hardly even the same sport that it was. We should be refreshed, fighting and ready for the return of the fans as a result of the events of this season.

11.) 28 Apr 2021 10:05:14
The success of VAR.

12.) 28 Apr 2021 10:09:10
Kicking the super league into the long grass was a plus point.

13.) 28 Apr 2021 10:54:29
For me, VAR (or rather the way our refs are using it) has had a serious impact on how much I can enjoy the sport. The decisions get more and more ridiculous. That's the main negative for me rather than liverpools crap season!

14.) 28 Apr 2021 11:08:48
So many good points above, and it has lifted my morning a little to look at the positives!

For me, the biggest one has been Harvey Elliot. At the start of the season we knew he was a talent, but we have had so many false dawns as regards talents that haven't quite made it (Ojo, WIlson, Ibe, Wisdom to name a few) . The last player we had that seemed as exciting as Elliot was Sterling, and (like him or loathe him) he has turned into a proper player.

Elliot, especially without the man bun!, has gone from strength to strength and I can't wait to see him develop as part of the first team squad next season (hopefully) .

On the same theme, Jones is another player who I have enjoyed watching this season. He's young so he's not going to be perfect, but it will be nice to have a scouse heart in midfield again, hopefully for years to come.

Finally, I totally agree that its been good to draw a line under some players, who still offered hope at the start of the season:

Keita's just a dynamo who's taken a little longer to settle down than most players - WRONG

Ox can get a run going and isn't always injured - WRONG

Matip can be relied upon and not constantly have niggling injuries - WRONG

Hopefully we use the close season as a watershed to start building Klopps 2nd all conquering Liverpool team!

15.) 28 Apr 2021 14:40:22
It’s not been the worst season I can remember as the Hodgson season and Souness years were worse. But this has been such a crash after so many highs. This is the hangover season.

16.) 28 Apr 2021 17:11:47
6Times, have you spotted Tyson or a white tiger?

17.) 29 Apr 2021 11:40:53
Mike Tyson singing Phil Collins hits by the Shankly gates Zed.



20 Apr 2021 21:08:59
Hendo has tweeted the players don't want it and they are united with the fans. Better pull out now FSG than wait a week and be on our own.


1.) 20 Apr 2021 21:26:14
King Kenny as well




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04 May 2021 17:08:31
I don’t think Sancho gets 10 league goals never mind 20.




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01 May 2021 19:56:30
Thiago has been a big part of our problem this season. Another midfielder who offers little or nothing in the final third. We are desperate for an attacking midfielder who creates and Scores goals.




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25 Apr 2021 09:51:10
I know you are correct Ed and football must change. But what trophies will the elite sides play for? IMO after a couple of years of watching the same sides play each other the atmosphere will die. I might move more and more corporate but it will become totally boring.


{Ed002's Note - The "elite" group of clubs includes 21 sides so it won't be the same sides every week.}



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13 Apr 2021 22:44:28
Sancho has only 6 goals this season in the league against mainly championship defenders, enough said.




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13 Apr 2021 17:18:02
Sancho is very much over rated IMO. He won’t get 10 goals and 10 assists either, he is having a poor season as well. For £60m maybe at £120m NEVER.


{Ed001's Note - something we agree on, that first sentence.}




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06 May 2021 12:36:47
Mane had C.V. and is still suffering. He is not missing all these chances on purpose. But he has lost his pace he can’t beat anyone one on one atm. He has become just an average wide player this season. No one wants to buy him.




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04 May 2021 17:09:54
Says Nabby will only come good when played in his best position. And he’s not a water carrier, he is a play maker.




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03 May 2021 20:53:28
Bobby gets no where near a combined first 11. I agree mane on top form gets in every time. I love Mane but I am beginning to fear that we may never see his best again. When I see average defenders giving Mane a yard and beating him to the ball it really worries me.




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03 May 2021 20:47:08
Leicester have had plenty injuries and they are well above us atm.




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03 May 2021 20:44:50
Your question has been answered above. Rtp I am feeling polite 🤣.