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30 May 2025 11:52:01
stunned if $10m and salary paid for June/ July is true,
Couple weeks back I was a firm no to letting him go early but said that the negotiations should start at $10m before we entertain it.
lol
I'm sure $10m must include add-on if they win it. But rekon it's a good deal if accurate.
1.) 30 May 2025 11:55:06
We're eligible for £0. £10m is great work from whoever negotiated it.
2.) 30 May 2025 11:58:47
Didn't they offer 20m in Jan? So it's effectively cost us 10m in transfer fee + wages to keep him and win the league!
but to get 10m for basically a month of him playing for England/ resting and save on his wages is unbelievable business from us to say he was walking out the door in 30 days for nothing.
3.) 30 May 2025 12:00:54
The Edwards and Hughes double act have managed to chisel 10m from Real, as well as outgunning them for Wirtz.
The tides are turning.
4.) 30 May 2025 12:03:15
Hughes/ Edwards masterclass that.
5.) 30 May 2025 12:05:23
£10m up front in one payment is better than eff all. Take the money and move on.
6.) 30 May 2025 12:07:29
Edwards has done well there, but knowing Madrid it is probably 100k/ year over the next 5 years and the rest if TAA wins Ballon D'Or.
7.) 30 May 2025 12:12:22
Lol RedViking! Actually the BBC Sport article suggests it's paid up front - it appears our boys and girls are wise to the black arts of Madrid!
8.) 30 May 2025 12:22:54
That's a great result.
9.) 30 May 2025 12:52:26
Why would there be add-on fees, when this is literally a free transfer? That £8m fee is just for us to release him early.
10.) 30 May 2025 13:16:24
Haizan according to the Guardian the total package is worth £10m including Madrid agreeing to cover the remaining salary. On the books and PSR it’ll look a lot better selling an academy product than going for free. Credit where it’s due, that’s better than it looked a month ago.
11.) 30 May 2025 13:27:59
So Trents signed a 6 year deal with a 1billion euro buy out clause.
12.) 30 May 2025 13:33:42
Then Madrid go and put a €1 billion release clause in his contract. So we effectively got 1% of what they value him at.
That said, £10 million is still better than nothing.
{Ed001's Note - it doesn't work like that, the valuations are deliberately set ridiculously high on the release clauses.}
13.) 30 May 2025 13:41:00
Well, well, well - TAA didn’t go for free after all. Who was it said on here less than a week ago go that the thing that hurt most that he went for free and that we didn’t get any money? I’m sure there were a number of people who said that and who must feel rather silly now.
14.) 30 May 2025 13:58:30
Lets not be silly WDW Trent still left on a free transfer we are being paid to release him from his current contract early.
This does not paper over leaving your homegrown club for nothing with regards to a transfer fee.
That said I really can't wait for when his name is no longer mentioned on the site!
15.) 30 May 2025 14:58:36
Don't fall off your high horse WDW.
16.) 30 May 2025 15:46:44
Aren't transfer fees just that - A fee paid to release players early from their current contracts. So in a way, Trent did go for a transfer fee and not for free. It's just that he went with one week left on his contract instead of years on it like most players.
17.) 30 May 2025 15:56:40
WDW. And you're saying all this because you knew back then? Nobody knew if Madrid was going to pay anything to anyone. But. Here's a pat on the shouder anyway. And listen to Mcgoveb's advice.
30 Jan 2024 09:19:44
ed2 - technical question for you. are the rules for clubs approaching another club's manager whist under contract the same as for approaching players?
{Ed002's Note - Yes - you can speak to the agent to gauge interest but you cannot speak directly with the manager without the permission of his club.}
1.) 30 Jan 2024 12:58:35
Are you worried about Klopp tapping up his replacement, Faith? ?.
2.) 30 Jan 2024 19:19:30
Ed002 is that rule not a bit silly considering some agents would push players or managers into making certain decisions?
Are the agents obliged by any rule to inform the club that another club is talking to them about their client or what way does that side work?
{Ed002's Note - Agents will inform clubs if the potential new buyer wants further information. The rules are clear.}
27 Jan 2024 13:22:27
Post-reflective thought - we’re still in the window. Any chance this announcement is a smokescreen for a big signing before the window shuts? Mbappe perhaps?
Ed2?
?.
{Ed002's Note - Almost certainly.}
1.) 27 Jan 2024 14:03:59
Player manager.
2.) 27 Jan 2024 14:49:21
Mbappe isn’t going to leave his position of sporting director at PSG to be player manager here.
3.) 27 Jan 2024 15:00:39
Maybe we should offer hin sporting Director + player manager+ owner?.
4.) 27 Jan 2024 22:26:40
I think if you offer him being rush goalie then he will come!
5.) 28 Jan 2024 20:33:19
The centre back from Crystal Palace, this window, or the summer window, remember this .
6.) 28 Jan 2024 21:28:32
Can’t wait to see Rob Holding sign Kop that.
7.) 29 Jan 2024 15:02:39
kit man maybe.
04 Feb 2022 19:52:25
Ed2 - Klopp's most recent presser he was asked about Fabio Carvalho and whether we'd go back for him. Part of Klopp's response was that obviously we are still interested, we'd be crazy not to. Just a couplee questions to understand - Are klopp's comments breaking some kind of tampering rule? And if so, what is about that comment that is considered a bad thing enough to have a rule against
I like that he talked relatively freely but just wondered what the implications are. Ta.
{Ed002's Note - No, not at all. Whether or not Liverpool will look to low ball Fulham on a pre-agreement of some type would be the concern as Liverpool cannot speak directly with the player - whilst other clubs can speak to him and can sign a binding pre-agreement with the player.}
1.) 04 Feb 2022 22:16:04
Ed002 I don’t know why we don’t just offer the fee we did on Monday Fulham accepted it then I don’t think they would turn it down because he could leave for a lot less abroad. Or do you feel Liverpool feel they don’t need to offer as much now they did have talks with him Monday did they not maybe with it going down to the wire on Monday he has said he still wants to come in the summer.
{Ed002's Note - That is not how Liverpool traditionally do business.}
2.) 05 Feb 2022 07:25:44
ed in theory, can Liverpool and fulham have a pre-agreement but then Fabio agree with a club abroad?
{Ed001's Note - yes.}
3.) 05 Feb 2022 00:45:55
Ed002 regarding this Liverpool can speak to the players agent and make an agreement with them that the agent can agree with the player am I right? So is it not basically the same thing mate? Watched a thing between carra and nev and nev was told to speak with stevie at international duties so realistically if this all happens what is wrong with any other way of doing it?
{Ed002's Note - If it is the same thing then it is of course illegal and tapping up (yet again).}
4.) 05 Feb 2022 13:26:13
Pretty obvious he'll be signing on in the summer! don't be minding all the media clickbait about him and dis and dat club. Lfc are building a really exciting team of the future.
5.) 05 Feb 2022 13:33:18
Don't know what's hard to understand for some LFC fans and keep on repeating same stuff.
It's nothing to do with Fulham now, it's all in Fabio's hand if he wants to come here then he will be here it's simple as that. Signing pre contract with other clubs again it's nothing to do with Fulham it's all in Fabio's hand where he wants to go. LFC can't talk to him directly but can talk to he's agent as much as they want including the financial terms etc.
6.) 05 Feb 2022 16:14:50
carvalho will sign for dortmund.
{Ed077's Note - is that a prediction or a spoilerðŸ˜
7.) 05 Feb 2022 18:31:20
Given that he knows Liverpool want him and has previously agreed terms, for him to completely change plans and go to another side would be strange. If he did, it would be for money or may he game time but everything you read about Fabio suggests he isn't that type of person.
8.) 06 Feb 2022 03:01:00
Thanks for that edkopforever. Your knowledge is really helpful.
9.) 06 Feb 2022 10:52:42
Nice one kop. Very well explained brother.
10.) 06 Feb 2022 18:14:34
Every player will be 'tapped' up in this case. I bet most players, even in jest will say 'oh come and join us'.
I expect the clubs would not expect to ask players to do so as then yes that becomes an illegal approach. But I guess most players will know from rumours, media what players are linked.
11.) 08 Feb 2022 00:52:36
Tapping up is not illegal. Can you imagine the cells at Strangeways full of old football managers in orange tracksuits? ‘What you in for Harry? ’ ‘I spoke to Peter Odemwingie on WhatsApp and offered him 2 steak bakes and a vegan sausage roll if he signed for us. When he turned up Greggs was shut so I hid under my desk until the police arrived and arrested me for the most heinous of crimes. Tapping up’.
25 Apr 2021 00:39:50
Hi Ed2 - are you able to explain what Perez means by the ESL saving football. Was there a strategy plan for the ESL to support clubs outside the 12?
{Ed002's Note - What he means, as I have explained repeatedly over many years, is that football needs to decide what sort of restructuring is required. Putting aside any "breakaway" or counter proposal, my fears have always been the vast number of professional clubs there are in England well below the Premier League. I hold a reasonably strong view in terms of the need to restructure football in Europe in any case. Previously I have said that the eventual "breakaway pan-European league" would force the restructuring of many of the national leagues, possibly resulting in a British league with perhaps only a couple of professional tiers and then regionalised amateur leagues below that. Now we have a situation that will change the financial paradigm and may make clubs and authorities look at the situation with lower tier sides regardless.
Financially I do not see that so many professional sides can be sustained within the sport which, like it or not, will see more and more money going in to the highest levels of the game. Governments will ensure that grassroots sport get funding but everything in the middle (Southern, Northern, Conference, Division 2, Scottish Divisions 1-3, League of Wales will not get the funding needed to continue on any sort of professional basis. For me, clubs should already recognise this and put their efforts in to getting their finances in order to see if they can make it to a British professional league that will need to flourish without perhaps six sides that have eventually gone down the pan-European route - and have gone for good (it would be two or perhaps three initially) or even separation from the Premier League and Championship.
Clubs like Accrington Stanley will need to carry on as amateurs or face extinction (yet again) like Bury. Recently Hartlepool has been struggling - again it needs to adapt. The mighty Third Lanark have started their long journey back to the top - it can be done. These are all proud clubs with a history.
The game has changed significantly and will continue to do so whether the supporters of certain clubs like it or not. Football at the highest level is big business and attracts the sponsorship it does because the sponsors wish to tap in to the disposable income of the fans and ride the back of the advertising that flows naturally from the success some clubs achieve. Long gone are the days of the cloth-capped, hobnailed-booted, chimney sweep making his way, rattle in hand, to cheer on his team at Anfield on a Saturday afternoon. I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 8 to 10 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA. You will have the opportunity to see the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus and the other major European sides play in week-on-week regular competition at The Emirates, St James Park, Stamford Bridge or wherever. Fans of the sides who take the plunge will have the opportunity to visit cities such as Milan, Barcelona, Munich, etc. every couple of weeks to watch their team play. If you want to don your cloth cap, have a pint of wallop with your chums before going off to the local match through the grim, wet and cobbled streets of the Northwest of England where there is smog, dead & dying pit ponies laying on the street and only chips and fried curry to eat., perhaps one of the sides from the suburbs will have survived so the Liverpool and Everton supporters can go and watch them?
This will be a case of getting with the game. I will try to refer to this as the "Post Apocalyptic Zombie Scenario" from now on.}
1.) 25 Apr 2021 09:05:23
Pint of wallop absolutely love that Ed you’d want to trade mark that it’s brilliant my friend!
1/ pint of wallop
2/ RTFP.
2.) 25 Apr 2021 09:28:27
Classic ed002 response so clinical and fascinating to read yet with a hint of comedy to make us chuckle
Up the pool.
3.) 25 Apr 2021 09:48:22
If there is little to no support for such restructuring from fans then can is realistically move forward and be a success? In the UK were already in another economic slide due to C.V. and being compounded further by Brexit, I don’t think the sort of money required to follow ones team with the structure you’re suggesting is there for most. Now if it was 90% sponsors/ affiliates/ etc attending I could well imagine that but it is an incredibly dystopian, ugly face of what football could be. I understand it is a business now but there are still huge swathes of fans who are very attached to their clubs, not to mention political considerations which may come into play (like involvement of national governments) if the uproar is significant enough. I would be surprised if such proposals and restructuring went ahead as, though there are wealthy individuals in favor of such things, there is little of any support from fans - I’m not sure I’ve heard much from anyone in favor, the closest I’ve heard is ‘we should join so we don’t get left behind’ but even those sentiments are rare.
I know your understanding of the game, and the ins and outs behind closed doors, are far superior to mine, but in this instance Ed I truly hope your predictions/ expectations are wrong.
All the best Ed, also thanks for the time and effort you spend giving us your knowledge, there has been a lot of talk and discussion recently and your insights are greatly appreciated.
{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with COVID-19 nor BREXIT. These proposals have been around since long before both. Whether the fans like it or not, more clubs will go out of business like Bury if nothing is done.}
4.) 25 Apr 2021 09:51:10
I know you are correct Ed and football must change. But what trophies will the elite sides play for? IMO after a couple of years of watching the same sides play each other the atmosphere will die. I might move more and more corporate but it will become totally boring.
{Ed002's Note - The "elite" group of clubs includes 21 sides so it won't be the same sides every week.}
5.) 25 Apr 2021 10:51:32
I’m inclined to agree with you Ed002 on this, I can see the benefits and disadvantages on both sides .
I don’t necessarily want it to happen but I’d rather Liverpool were in than out if it does.
6.) 25 Apr 2021 11:59:57
I don’t doubt a word of what ed2 says but it is heartbreaking to read. It seems as though the game has to be restructured because of the greed at the very top of the pyramid and I include UEFA and FIFA in that. Perez alluded to the fact that the big clubs are struggling financially but what I don’t understand is why they won’t just face the exact same fate in say another 20years, as surely all that will happen by generating more money is the players, agents, hangers on etc will all just demand more again and the same problems exists just with higher sums involved. That doesn’t seem to answer to the problem to me, just kicking the problem down the line to the detriment of the sport its self?
{Ed002's Note - Football has to naturally evolve, as it did with the Premier Leagues and Champions League.}
7.) 25 Apr 2021 13:29:39
And who exactly can afford milan on a Wednesday with Barcelona away on Saturday week in week out. It won't be long until it only home fans ie NFL.
{Ed002's Note - I suspect you don't understand the plan.}
8.) 25 Apr 2021 14:52:39
Thanks ed, regards your comment -
"I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 8 to 10 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA"
You've also. mentioned that the key difference between ESL and the elite 22 clubs is that ESL hasn't worked with UEFA. Can I assume then that if UEFA are at the table with the elite clubs, that they have a sense of inevitability that their time will be coming to an over the next decade? I just wonder what the purpose. of these clubs negotiating ei UEFA is if the end game is breaking them up.
{Ed002's Note - I think that is a reasonably fair description. UEFA coming to the table is with the obejective of being in control, or at the very least maintaining their position as the controlling body. But changes need to be made and this recent attempt falls far short of expectations and has dome more harm than good.}
9.) 25 Apr 2021 14:54:09
Also ed2, reminded myself to tell you this - I posted your detailed post about ESL to a fan page in NZ. One member replied back saying he went to Anfield regularly 40 years ago and never went cloth-capped. Lol I don't know what this means but thought I'd pass it on :p.
{Ed002's Note - It means he probably has loads of illegitimate if he failed to take protection.}
10.) 25 Apr 2021 16:51:47
I’ll be honest Ed. I’ve got no time for a pint of lukewarm wallop or whatever vile brown booze the campaign for real ale prefer for that matter, boring bearded trainspotters that they are. So I’m all for weekend trips to Bavaria, Turin, Milan, Budapest, Bruges, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Prague, Paris, Lyon, Milan, Rome, Madrid, etc when it eventually happens. Just needs to be done better than this last laughable effort.
11.) 25 Apr 2021 20:43:47
Newsflash! Fans will not put up with what Ed002 is talking about. We have just witnessed that. So let’s put that to bed.
I’m sure Eds 02 information is correct however that doesn’t mean it will happen. How can it? If there is some sort of European elite/ super / pan / bull league then fans will be marginalised or grouped into the few that can afford and the few that cannot.
Thanks for your very elitist view of the working class game Ed’s but your comments are out of of touch. The working class has evolved and just because we don’t wear cloth caps and drink a pint of wallop doesn’t mean that we don’t work for the week then walk to the game and have a pint on the way. This happens all over the country at every club week in week out.
The event this week prove your view of the fans the game are way off the mark.
Despite the best efforts of money and greed football remains the people game. Without the people there is no product no game.
So thank you sir but I think you need to re examine your theory.
{Ed002's Note - So what has happened to disprove what I have said?}
12.) 26 Apr 2021 04:08:55
I started going to matches in around 1959. The European Super League has been kicking around the boardroom since the mid-1960s.
In the time I’ve been a fan, society has changed enormously. If you look at what has happened with other social organisations, such as social clubs and hobby clubs and churches they’ve had to adapt or go bust. All organisations have followed similar paths. We no longer tolerate sleepy little organisations that scrape by on charity or luck – everything is properly commercialised. The pattern repeats all over society… to simplify it, if a club needs 100 active members to be viable, two clubs with 80 members will be forced to merge – but the new organisation won’t have 160 members because a significant number won’t follow the new organisation. In essence the choices diminish at the same time as tickets/ membership gets dearer.
The football business model is entirely different, but the outcomes are similar.
When we were forced to go all seater, the days of wandering up every other Saturday and paying three bob to see a match (15p for you youngsters) went for ever. Instead of a damp step, there was a plastic seat and instead of pence it became pounds to use that same space. Last time I went to a game it cost best part of £30 to sit where the boys pen used to be and I used to pay 9d (4.5p) to watch from there.
The football team I went as a lad to see and support became a real force – then it became a brand – then became an International big deal brand; And although my support is unquestionable and always will be – it’s hard to find much “Liverpool†about Liverpool FC
Instead of local Dad and Lads being the main fan base, it’s now the clubs international fan base that the clubs serve. The population churn under Mrs T resulted in people going where the jobs were. So now there are more of us supporters that live outside the city than are in the city.
The international fan base for teams like Liverpool and Man Utd dwarfs the UK based fan numbers and ultimately are more important financially to the clubs.
I’m priced out. I can’t afford to go to games now, but there are so many people to take my place. People who can afford to buy the expensive corporate hospitality deals, Fans have moaned about the day-trippers to Anfield and Old Trafford for decades, but that is a huge income stream – and the “Anfield Experience†fan is probably the future.
If anyone thinks that the movers and shakers of football MUST take notice of fans wishes, you are sadly mistaken. This year’s Training Ground Premiership shows that they can to a bigger degree than you’d think get by without the diehard match going fans.
Football is a business; the Americans consider them franchises and milk them for everything they can. And the thing that not many people have noticed is that the franchise is for a competitor’s place in a League, NOT for a team from a specific town or city. If the owners consider that there is some strategic advantage in moving the franchise to another city – They will. It’s been done several times in the USA and although the financial set-up was different, Wimbledon moved to become MK Dons.
Fan ownership is an attractive option, but how would that happen? And why? Some of us considered this when Hicks and Gillette were the owners. We couldn’t see how it could be done mostly because a lot of people would not be able to afford to buy a share.
Short of some sort of government sponsored compulsory purchase, how are the fans going to get control?
Wimbledon fans did it, reclaimed their club and got it climbing the pyramid. United of Manchester and AFC Liverpool are promising start-ups and probably the only way that fans could control their hometown club – but that will take decades….
13.) 26 Apr 2021 11:36:44
The world categorically said no to a super league through protests, governments and media outlets. Within 48 hours the computation was announced and retracted.
Surely the only feasible conclusion is that this (or anything like it) will not happen as a project.
Football as a whole may need to change and adapt but not like this. The answer will and should never be that the smaller clubs become even more obsolete tim they already are and richer clubs should get richer. That would be just be rubbish. A decision based on greed.
If it is to be shaken up it should be to keep as many clubs involved as possible. A bottom up approach. Because you know what. It means something to communities not 50 years ago. Now. It’s something that gives people an identity a focus. Something to bloody do!
14.) 26 Apr 2021 12:57:28
In my opinion the only reason the super league isn’t going through is because the clubs decided that the immediate consequences were worse than the potential gains they intended to make. Ed talks of a completely different culture to where we are today. He talks of a time when people hop around the continent watching their team week in week out this time is not aimed at us. The owners aren’t interested in the race to the bottom that the current set of fans demand. They will alienate and push and through the passage of time there will be less and less of the previous generation of fan until all that it left are the ones that can afford what they want to sell us. They will break away they will not care about being banned from the premier league they will create something that they want and they have learned the cards that uefa and fifa and the fa and the government hold. They know now that they will fight it and what means they will use to fight it. Once the clubs spoken about join the super league the people that stay will be the ones you can go and support if you want to see the lads with a pint of wallop the team name might be Merseyside reds or tranmere but that’s what will be left for you if you do not stick with what’s on offer from lfc. The owners will not care. The protests won’t matter. Being kicked out the premier league won’t matter. No traditional fans in the stadium won’t matter. It will be a different sport but the old one will be available to you in the form of whatever is left behind and picking a club from that.
15.) 26 Apr 2021 13:46:04
How can any of your post hold any weight when we have just seen a prime minister, managers and players, fans and pundits all reject it. You have clearly learned nothing from the past week. Club owners don’t get to decide the fate of football and there is no appetite for an elite European league. Why? Because most fans cannot afford the money or the time to go trudging around Europe on a weekly basis!
How are you still convinced football will go this way. The question is been emphatically answered with a resounding NO! Up the pint of wallop!
16.) 27 Apr 2021 00:45:25
The point is that there is more than enough money in football for everyone to have a space at the table. The fact that the few don't want to share with the many is a very old story that continues to this day.
Ed.002, everything you say has a good chance of coming true, I don't doubt it. The problem is, the way you present it is as if there is not enough to go around. Suggesting that there is no way way half of the clubs in the UK can survive. They could if we shared more. You are at times brutally honest about us fans, how about that same acerbic withering wit of yours being directed at this. They (those at the top table, boardrooms, Uefa, FIFA, Elite, etc. ) are in it for themselves. Not the development of football.
As I say, I don't doubt what you say. I appreciate the Information. I do think you are coming at this from a certain angle though. Thank you.
17.) 27 Apr 2021 08:27:55
Redman - your lack of vision is a little embarrassing here man. All that happened is that they learned. They've learned that they won't be allowed to partially break away so they need to be prepared with a full new league. They've learned that they need to get major broadcasters signed up before announcing to temper the barrage of criticism. They've learned that they need to have a more polished proposal locked down. Maybe that waiting until uefa piss everyone off first before announcing anything. They will do it again, and again and again if need be until eventually the backlash just isn't there.
18.) 27 Apr 2021 15:17:01
The ESL will come. It is only a matter of when not if. The maths say so. Currently LFC and others can expect about £250m to £300m for winning the EPL and the champions league for TV companies.
We have depending on who you ask somewhere between 100million and 600 million fans worldwide. Similar figures are estimated for Utd Barca, Real Madrid, and most of the other dirty dozen clubs. On that basis LFC v Man U could attract easily 500million tv fans worldwide. At £10 per viewer via pay per view this would bring in £5 billion pounds for one game. This is what will happen in the future and why none of the greedy owners will sell at the moment
I also believe quite frighteningly that if too much pressure is brought to hear to stop it, the owners will just move the club's to places which will accept it. LFC to Boston, Utd to Tampa Bay Arsenal to L. A. for example.
{Ed001's Note - they won't be moved any time soon, that is not going to happen.}
19.) 27 Apr 2021 21:27:03
Hjikle the only lack of vision or grasp of reality was that of Perez and the other snakes. They embarrassed themselves in front of a world audience.
I think what Perez and maybe you possibly Ed’s 02 fail to grasp is that football does in fact have a soul. it belongs to the fans.
Ed2 jokes (I hope ) about the good old days. They still exists in an evolved modern day form. This is the basis on which the game is built and makes money from. The working masses make up the money which is pumped into the game. The owners and broadcasters make the profits but without the blessing and participation of the fans their product has zero value.
If there is anything to learn it’s that a handful old white wealthy men don’t get decide what happens to the game.
Of course there will be variations and evolutions to competitions but not a cull anywhere near the magnitude of what has been proposed. I really hope the opposite happens and other models are looked at to keep as many clubs as possible competitive and secure.
It’s interesting that the German clubs wanted nothing to do with it.
20.) 28 Apr 2021 00:31:56
Redman football does not belong to the fans and it hasn’t for the last 30 years or more. This breakaway will happen as soon as they can get all of their ducks in a row.
There will be a backlash from the working class fans and others but do you know what? They won’t care because it’s those fans they are trying to get rid of.
They don’t want the types that have that pint of ‘wallop’ on the way to the match and a pie at half time. They want the types who can spend hundreds if not thousands on a hospitality ticket and spend fortunes in the club shop.
This isn’t new it’s been happening for years in front of our eyes! We all loved the redevelopment of Anfield but that was done to get more hospitality seating.
Like Ed says it’s big business now and you either move with the times or find another team to support.
{Ed0666's Note - there’s are plenty of working class that can afford the hospitality tickets that will boycott football once this breakaway league happens. I’m not ashamed to admit that lately every time I’ve been to Anfield to watch the game (pre-pandemic) I’ve watched from hospitality because let’s face it it’s a more enjoyable experience but that won’t stop me from walking away from football once the lunatics take over the asylum. And I’ve been a Liverpool fan going on 45 odd years. Have been home and away all over Europe to watch my team. The point I’m making is don’t be too sure football doesent lose major gravitas once the breakaway league transpires because there will be a lot of disillusioned fans who would walk away than see their beloved sport prosituted.
21.) 28 Apr 2021 17:20:13
You explained it better than I did Ed’s football will loose gravitas.
If the product is messed with to much it becomes less valuable. Your right Becker football doesn’t belong to the fans but we are it’s customers. It’s logical that customers need to be kept happy to keep buying.
The large majority of society and football fans are working and lower middle class who don’t have thousands to spend on football. Collectively we make football worth billions hence the reason fan power is stronger than many on here think.
Terms like “move with the times†or football needs to evolve†is just another way of saying make the owners and broadcasters more money. I don’t think we should have it! Football should evolve for the right reasons not those based on greed.
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06 Jul 2025 04:12:38
Are the owners paying up full length of Jota’s contract plus something for the kids?
Awesome if this is the case
We had class owners anyways, but another positive notch for them if this is true.
{Ed001's Note - yes, they are creating a college fund for the kids, as well as paying up his contract.}
1.) 06 Jul 2025 05:35:57
Were not United.
{Ed077's Note - not everything is about football rivalry.
2.) 06 Jul 2025 06:50:28
Outstanding. I've been critical in past of ownership + people they had running club but that is absolutely brilliant thing to do. shows they not just business people but good people 1st and foremost. V proud of club for doing that because not every club would do that make no mistake.
3.) 06 Jul 2025 07:22:59
Classy gesture from the club.
4.) 06 Jul 2025 08:05:03
And Man U are not their owners.
There has been some lovely tributes to Jota from ManU fans and some supportive messages on here.
ManU fans are better than their owners.
I’m very pleased to hear about the college funds for the kids as well as the contract.
5.) 06 Jul 2025 08:56:25
I'm sure the club will do all they can to support his family.
6.) 06 Jul 2025 09:24:38
Well said Ed077.
Now is not the time for sniping at our rivals. There have been many messages of support from all over the world including Manchester United and their fans. The way they or another club go about their business should be kept separate from what has happened to Diogo and Andre. I commend the club for their actions in supporting the family of Diogo.
7.) 06 Jul 2025 09:45:26
Oasis tribute to jota was a class touch to the song live forever. this is bigger than football!
8.) 06 Jul 2025 09:50:19
I have seen some posters asking if a stand can be named after Diogo. My humble opinion is this may be not likely to happen. But I agree with retiring the number 20 in his honour. Only to be resurrected if one of his sons proves to be a top footballer and was sign for our great club.
9.) 06 Jul 2025 10:30:24
Who knows how Man Utd or any other club would deal with a similar situation, let's all just hope that we never have to find out and leave it at that.
10.) 06 Jul 2025 12:10:38
I have a question - I assume players are insured so will Liverpool and player family will get insurance amount for loss of Jota.
11.) 06 Jul 2025 09:24:38
Well said Ed077.
Now is not the time for sniping at our rivals. There have been many messages of support from all over the world including Manchester United and their fans. The way they or another club go about their business should be kept separate from what has happened to Diogo and Andre. I commend the club for their actions in supporting the family of Diogo.
04 Jul 2025 02:12:05
just reading comments from Jota's physio in Portugal.
Said Jota had a pneumothorax - COLLAPSED LUNG, that he could have had surgery for earlier this year but wanted to push the procedure to after the Nations League and played through the discomfort
Advised not to travel by plane and so travelling by car on their way to eventually take a boat back to the UK in time for pre-season.
Just tragic.
03 Jul 2025 09:55:58
Stunned
RIL
❤️.
1.) 03 Jul 2025 09:59:31
Awful news RIP Diogo.
28 Jun 2025 02:16:34
Listening to Kerkez interview and he talks about watching football from when he was 13/ 14 about 8 years ago.
Dawned on me that there is basically a generation of lads in their early - mid 20s who would have spent much of their teenage years watching football with Liverpool as a relevant and competitive club.
That’s a nice place to be ?.
1.) 28 Jun 2025 08:33:48
Yeah, and about time too. I'm sick and tired of walking into sports clothing shops and finding only ManU, ManCity, Chelsea and Arsenal shirts for sale. ???.
26 Jun 2025 21:26:37
Remember when there were posters on here saying they didn’t want Kerkez cos of some innocuous statement he made on a YouTube stream about not moving to Liverpool? lol
Thinking back, My other favourites are - “if we’re not signing anyone or doing nothing, then we’re going backwards”. The comparable clubs at that time were Chelsea, Arsenal, ManU even Wolves and forest were mentioned for their spending lol
Well, I really care less and am proud to have stuck by how the club operate for all these years. Call and sensible in the face of external noise and pressure to do what the clubs around us are doing.
Have we caught up to them other clubs yet?
Peace.
1.) 26 Jun 2025 22:43:53
If we spent more during klopps era we’d of won more! To much loyalty also in my eyes.
2.) 26 Jun 2025 23:32:50
Jay - who knows for sure. How much more money do you think we needed to spend to get an extra 2 points?
What we do know is we didn’t turn the club into sh*t, remained competitive, operated within the financial rules and so maintained our integrity (as far as we know lol) and have consistently sustained being a competitive club for years now.
Whilst the clubs some of our fans envy in previous windows are where exactly!?
3.) 27 Jun 2025 04:50:01
Actually think we might have got those two extra points by spending less. If we’d bought the right* player (s) with that money instead of Keita.
*don’t know who.
4.) 27 Jun 2025 06:41:06
Pick out probably the one really bad signing of Klopps nine years at the club?.
5.) 27 Jun 2025 07:22:19
Darwin, Karius, Caulker, Kabak, were all pretty ropey signings for Klopp.
6.) 27 Jun 2025 07:32:23
Heard a stat yesterday by chance chatting to mate “ we never lost a game when Keita played”, can’t remember if he said started or played, probably only played about 10 games anyways.
7.) 27 Jun 2025 08:17:32
He played in champions league final against real Madrid, i remember that woeful shot, so must be when started as he came on as a sub.
8.) 27 Jun 2025 09:19:35
Wigan, has that ball landed yet or is it still in space?
9.) 27 Jun 2025 12:46:23
Weren’t Caulker and Kabak last minute loan deals in emergencies?
14 Jul 2025 03:14:38
customers complain ad nauseum when they don't like something.
I don't think Why0why made a mistake :)
13 Jul 2025 06:02:25
seems nothing has really changed with the Isak situation then.
he, apparently, would prefer a move to us
we want him
Newcastle don't need to sell him this window
to facilitate a move, Isak could hand in a transfer request, which won't happen. Or, Newcastle would seek a replacement this window.
08 Jul 2025 01:33:27
Kaiser - didn't we literally just bring in Frimpong, Kerkez and Wirtz - all three player we had agreed personal terms with before we completed dealings with their club?
07 Jul 2025 03:22:30
really?
at a time when we're hearing and enjoying tributes about about Jota off the pitch that none of us knew, we're going to make sweeping judgements on another player's character based on some random stuff read online?
{Ed001's Note - just to point out, England is not the only place it takes weeks. In the Philippines they have a vigil before the burial, which is usually a week, but can be as long as it takes for the family to raise the money to pay for it.}
03 Jul 2025 05:18:33
In the words of the late great ed2 - Napoli know what the terms are and just have to pay what is being asked to get the deal done instead of mucking around.
15 Jul 2025 11:36:13
100% to replace Isak.
14 Jul 2025 23:10:41
situation is the same as it has been when the news first broke mate. the timing tho? anyone's guess.
13 Jul 2025 05:52:34
regardless of what Diaz is on, there is no reason to extend him now.
If he was a Mo Salah level type of player then I could see the rationale to tie him down. But even then, we didn't extend Mo until the 11th hour pretty much for all his extensions.
If the player is upset two years out from end of contract then that is really on them to manage, of which they have options. push for a move or just suck it up.
13 Jul 2025 05:49:38
yup and wouldn't mind it all.
09 Jul 2025 06:56:35
I remember thinking that about Martial when he scored against us
:/.