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04 Feb 2022 19:52:25
Ed2 - Klopp's most recent presser he was asked about Fabio Carvalho and whether we'd go back for him. Part of Klopp's response was that obviously we are still interested, we'd be crazy not to. Just a couplee questions to understand - Are klopp's comments breaking some kind of tampering rule? And if so, what is about that comment that is considered a bad thing enough to have a rule against
I like that he talked relatively freely but just wondered what the implications are. Ta.
{Ed002's Note - No, not at all. Whether or not Liverpool will look to low ball Fulham on a pre-agreement of some type would be the concern as Liverpool cannot speak directly with the player - whilst other clubs can speak to him and can sign a binding pre-agreement with the player.}
1.) 04 Feb 2022 22:16:04
Ed002 I don’t know why we don’t just offer the fee we did on Monday Fulham accepted it then I don’t think they would turn it down because he could leave for a lot less abroad. Or do you feel Liverpool feel they don’t need to offer as much now they did have talks with him Monday did they not maybe with it going down to the wire on Monday he has said he still wants to come in the summer.
{Ed002's Note - That is not how Liverpool traditionally do business.}
2.) 05 Feb 2022 07:25:44
ed in theory, can Liverpool and fulham have a pre-agreement but then Fabio agree with a club abroad?
{Ed001's Note - yes.}
3.) 05 Feb 2022 00:45:55
Ed002 regarding this Liverpool can speak to the players agent and make an agreement with them that the agent can agree with the player am I right? So is it not basically the same thing mate? Watched a thing between carra and nev and nev was told to speak with stevie at international duties so realistically if this all happens what is wrong with any other way of doing it?
{Ed002's Note - If it is the same thing then it is of course illegal and tapping up (yet again).}
4.) 05 Feb 2022 13:26:13
Pretty obvious he'll be signing on in the summer! don't be minding all the media clickbait about him and dis and dat club. Lfc are building a really exciting team of the future.
5.) 05 Feb 2022 13:33:18
Don't know what's hard to understand for some LFC fans and keep on repeating same stuff.
It's nothing to do with Fulham now, it's all in Fabio's hand if he wants to come here then he will be here it's simple as that. Signing pre contract with other clubs again it's nothing to do with Fulham it's all in Fabio's hand where he wants to go. LFC can't talk to him directly but can talk to he's agent as much as they want including the financial terms etc.
6.) 05 Feb 2022 16:14:50
carvalho will sign for dortmund.
{Ed077's Note - is that a prediction or a spoilerðŸ˜
7.) 05 Feb 2022 18:31:20
Given that he knows Liverpool want him and has previously agreed terms, for him to completely change plans and go to another side would be strange. If he did, it would be for money or may he game time but everything you read about Fabio suggests he isn't that type of person.
8.) 06 Feb 2022 03:01:00
Thanks for that edkopforever. Your knowledge is really helpful.
9.) 06 Feb 2022 10:52:42
Nice one kop. Very well explained brother.
10.) 06 Feb 2022 18:14:34
Every player will be 'tapped' up in this case. I bet most players, even in jest will say 'oh come and join us'.
I expect the clubs would not expect to ask players to do so as then yes that becomes an illegal approach. But I guess most players will know from rumours, media what players are linked.
11.) 08 Feb 2022 00:52:36
Tapping up is not illegal. Can you imagine the cells at Strangeways full of old football managers in orange tracksuits? ‘What you in for Harry? ’ ‘I spoke to Peter Odemwingie on WhatsApp and offered him 2 steak bakes and a vegan sausage roll if he signed for us. When he turned up Greggs was shut so I hid under my desk until the police arrived and arrested me for the most heinous of crimes. Tapping up’.
25 Apr 2021 00:39:50
Hi Ed2 - are you able to explain what Perez means by the ESL saving football. Was there a strategy plan for the ESL to support clubs outside the 12?
{Ed002's Note - What he means, as I have explained repeatedly over many years, is that football needs to decide what sort of restructuring is required. Putting aside any "breakaway" or counter proposal, my fears have always been the vast number of professional clubs there are in England well below the Premier League. I hold a reasonably strong view in terms of the need to restructure football in Europe in any case. Previously I have said that the eventual "breakaway pan-European league" would force the restructuring of many of the national leagues, possibly resulting in a British league with perhaps only a couple of professional tiers and then regionalised amateur leagues below that. Now we have a situation that will change the financial paradigm and may make clubs and authorities look at the situation with lower tier sides regardless.
Financially I do not see that so many professional sides can be sustained within the sport which, like it or not, will see more and more money going in to the highest levels of the game. Governments will ensure that grassroots sport get funding but everything in the middle (Southern, Northern, Conference, Division 2, Scottish Divisions 1-3, League of Wales will not get the funding needed to continue on any sort of professional basis. For me, clubs should already recognise this and put their efforts in to getting their finances in order to see if they can make it to a British professional league that will need to flourish without perhaps six sides that have eventually gone down the pan-European route - and have gone for good (it would be two or perhaps three initially) or even separation from the Premier League and Championship.
Clubs like Accrington Stanley will need to carry on as amateurs or face extinction (yet again) like Bury. Recently Hartlepool has been struggling - again it needs to adapt. The mighty Third Lanark have started their long journey back to the top - it can be done. These are all proud clubs with a history.
The game has changed significantly and will continue to do so whether the supporters of certain clubs like it or not. Football at the highest level is big business and attracts the sponsorship it does because the sponsors wish to tap in to the disposable income of the fans and ride the back of the advertising that flows naturally from the success some clubs achieve. Long gone are the days of the cloth-capped, hobnailed-booted, chimney sweep making his way, rattle in hand, to cheer on his team at Anfield on a Saturday afternoon. I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 8 to 10 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA. You will have the opportunity to see the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus and the other major European sides play in week-on-week regular competition at The Emirates, St James Park, Stamford Bridge or wherever. Fans of the sides who take the plunge will have the opportunity to visit cities such as Milan, Barcelona, Munich, etc. every couple of weeks to watch their team play. If you want to don your cloth cap, have a pint of wallop with your chums before going off to the local match through the grim, wet and cobbled streets of the Northwest of England where there is smog, dead & dying pit ponies laying on the street and only chips and fried curry to eat., perhaps one of the sides from the suburbs will have survived so the Liverpool and Everton supporters can go and watch them?
This will be a case of getting with the game. I will try to refer to this as the "Post Apocalyptic Zombie Scenario" from now on.}
1.) 25 Apr 2021 09:05:23
Pint of wallop absolutely love that Ed you’d want to trade mark that it’s brilliant my friend!
1/ pint of wallop
2/ RTFP.
2.) 25 Apr 2021 09:28:27
Classic ed002 response so clinical and fascinating to read yet with a hint of comedy to make us chuckle
Up the pool.
3.) 25 Apr 2021 09:48:22
If there is little to no support for such restructuring from fans then can is realistically move forward and be a success? In the UK were already in another economic slide due to C.V. and being compounded further by Brexit, I don’t think the sort of money required to follow ones team with the structure you’re suggesting is there for most. Now if it was 90% sponsors/ affiliates/ etc attending I could well imagine that but it is an incredibly dystopian, ugly face of what football could be. I understand it is a business now but there are still huge swathes of fans who are very attached to their clubs, not to mention political considerations which may come into play (like involvement of national governments) if the uproar is significant enough. I would be surprised if such proposals and restructuring went ahead as, though there are wealthy individuals in favor of such things, there is little of any support from fans - I’m not sure I’ve heard much from anyone in favor, the closest I’ve heard is ‘we should join so we don’t get left behind’ but even those sentiments are rare.
I know your understanding of the game, and the ins and outs behind closed doors, are far superior to mine, but in this instance Ed I truly hope your predictions/ expectations are wrong.
All the best Ed, also thanks for the time and effort you spend giving us your knowledge, there has been a lot of talk and discussion recently and your insights are greatly appreciated.
{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with COVID-19 nor BREXIT. These proposals have been around since long before both. Whether the fans like it or not, more clubs will go out of business like Bury if nothing is done.}
4.) 25 Apr 2021 09:51:10
I know you are correct Ed and football must change. But what trophies will the elite sides play for? IMO after a couple of years of watching the same sides play each other the atmosphere will die. I might move more and more corporate but it will become totally boring.
{Ed002's Note - The "elite" group of clubs includes 21 sides so it won't be the same sides every week.}
5.) 25 Apr 2021 10:51:32
I’m inclined to agree with you Ed002 on this, I can see the benefits and disadvantages on both sides .
I don’t necessarily want it to happen but I’d rather Liverpool were in than out if it does.
6.) 25 Apr 2021 11:59:57
I don’t doubt a word of what ed2 says but it is heartbreaking to read. It seems as though the game has to be restructured because of the greed at the very top of the pyramid and I include UEFA and FIFA in that. Perez alluded to the fact that the big clubs are struggling financially but what I don’t understand is why they won’t just face the exact same fate in say another 20years, as surely all that will happen by generating more money is the players, agents, hangers on etc will all just demand more again and the same problems exists just with higher sums involved. That doesn’t seem to answer to the problem to me, just kicking the problem down the line to the detriment of the sport its self?
{Ed002's Note - Football has to naturally evolve, as it did with the Premier Leagues and Champions League.}
7.) 25 Apr 2021 13:29:39
And who exactly can afford milan on a Wednesday with Barcelona away on Saturday week in week out. It won't be long until it only home fans ie NFL.
{Ed002's Note - I suspect you don't understand the plan.}
8.) 25 Apr 2021 14:52:39
Thanks ed, regards your comment -
"I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 8 to 10 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA"
You've also. mentioned that the key difference between ESL and the elite 22 clubs is that ESL hasn't worked with UEFA. Can I assume then that if UEFA are at the table with the elite clubs, that they have a sense of inevitability that their time will be coming to an over the next decade? I just wonder what the purpose. of these clubs negotiating ei UEFA is if the end game is breaking them up.
{Ed002's Note - I think that is a reasonably fair description. UEFA coming to the table is with the obejective of being in control, or at the very least maintaining their position as the controlling body. But changes need to be made and this recent attempt falls far short of expectations and has dome more harm than good.}
9.) 25 Apr 2021 14:54:09
Also ed2, reminded myself to tell you this - I posted your detailed post about ESL to a fan page in NZ. One member replied back saying he went to Anfield regularly 40 years ago and never went cloth-capped. Lol I don't know what this means but thought I'd pass it on :p.
{Ed002's Note - It means he probably has loads of illegitimate if he failed to take protection.}
10.) 25 Apr 2021 16:51:47
I’ll be honest Ed. I’ve got no time for a pint of lukewarm wallop or whatever vile brown booze the campaign for real ale prefer for that matter, boring bearded trainspotters that they are. So I’m all for weekend trips to Bavaria, Turin, Milan, Budapest, Bruges, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Prague, Paris, Lyon, Milan, Rome, Madrid, etc when it eventually happens. Just needs to be done better than this last laughable effort.
11.) 25 Apr 2021 20:43:47
Newsflash! Fans will not put up with what Ed002 is talking about. We have just witnessed that. So let’s put that to bed.
I’m sure Eds 02 information is correct however that doesn’t mean it will happen. How can it? If there is some sort of European elite/ super / pan / bull league then fans will be marginalised or grouped into the few that can afford and the few that cannot.
Thanks for your very elitist view of the working class game Ed’s but your comments are out of of touch. The working class has evolved and just because we don’t wear cloth caps and drink a pint of wallop doesn’t mean that we don’t work for the week then walk to the game and have a pint on the way. This happens all over the country at every club week in week out.
The event this week prove your view of the fans the game are way off the mark.
Despite the best efforts of money and greed football remains the people game. Without the people there is no product no game.
So thank you sir but I think you need to re examine your theory.
{Ed002's Note - So what has happened to disprove what I have said?}
12.) 26 Apr 2021 04:08:55
I started going to matches in around 1959. The European Super League has been kicking around the boardroom since the mid-1960s.
In the time I’ve been a fan, society has changed enormously. If you look at what has happened with other social organisations, such as social clubs and hobby clubs and churches they’ve had to adapt or go bust. All organisations have followed similar paths. We no longer tolerate sleepy little organisations that scrape by on charity or luck – everything is properly commercialised. The pattern repeats all over society… to simplify it, if a club needs 100 active members to be viable, two clubs with 80 members will be forced to merge – but the new organisation won’t have 160 members because a significant number won’t follow the new organisation. In essence the choices diminish at the same time as tickets/ membership gets dearer.
The football business model is entirely different, but the outcomes are similar.
When we were forced to go all seater, the days of wandering up every other Saturday and paying three bob to see a match (15p for you youngsters) went for ever. Instead of a damp step, there was a plastic seat and instead of pence it became pounds to use that same space. Last time I went to a game it cost best part of £30 to sit where the boys pen used to be and I used to pay 9d (4.5p) to watch from there.
The football team I went as a lad to see and support became a real force – then it became a brand – then became an International big deal brand; And although my support is unquestionable and always will be – it’s hard to find much “Liverpool†about Liverpool FC
Instead of local Dad and Lads being the main fan base, it’s now the clubs international fan base that the clubs serve. The population churn under Mrs T resulted in people going where the jobs were. So now there are more of us supporters that live outside the city than are in the city.
The international fan base for teams like Liverpool and Man Utd dwarfs the UK based fan numbers and ultimately are more important financially to the clubs.
I’m priced out. I can’t afford to go to games now, but there are so many people to take my place. People who can afford to buy the expensive corporate hospitality deals, Fans have moaned about the day-trippers to Anfield and Old Trafford for decades, but that is a huge income stream – and the “Anfield Experience†fan is probably the future.
If anyone thinks that the movers and shakers of football MUST take notice of fans wishes, you are sadly mistaken. This year’s Training Ground Premiership shows that they can to a bigger degree than you’d think get by without the diehard match going fans.
Football is a business; the Americans consider them franchises and milk them for everything they can. And the thing that not many people have noticed is that the franchise is for a competitor’s place in a League, NOT for a team from a specific town or city. If the owners consider that there is some strategic advantage in moving the franchise to another city – They will. It’s been done several times in the USA and although the financial set-up was different, Wimbledon moved to become MK Dons.
Fan ownership is an attractive option, but how would that happen? And why? Some of us considered this when Hicks and Gillette were the owners. We couldn’t see how it could be done mostly because a lot of people would not be able to afford to buy a share.
Short of some sort of government sponsored compulsory purchase, how are the fans going to get control?
Wimbledon fans did it, reclaimed their club and got it climbing the pyramid. United of Manchester and AFC Liverpool are promising start-ups and probably the only way that fans could control their hometown club – but that will take decades….
13.) 26 Apr 2021 11:36:44
The world categorically said no to a super league through protests, governments and media outlets. Within 48 hours the computation was announced and retracted.
Surely the only feasible conclusion is that this (or anything like it) will not happen as a project.
Football as a whole may need to change and adapt but not like this. The answer will and should never be that the smaller clubs become even more obsolete tim they already are and richer clubs should get richer. That would be just be rubbish. A decision based on greed.
If it is to be shaken up it should be to keep as many clubs involved as possible. A bottom up approach. Because you know what. It means something to communities not 50 years ago. Now. It’s something that gives people an identity a focus. Something to bloody do!
14.) 26 Apr 2021 12:57:28
In my opinion the only reason the super league isn’t going through is because the clubs decided that the immediate consequences were worse than the potential gains they intended to make. Ed talks of a completely different culture to where we are today. He talks of a time when people hop around the continent watching their team week in week out this time is not aimed at us. The owners aren’t interested in the race to the bottom that the current set of fans demand. They will alienate and push and through the passage of time there will be less and less of the previous generation of fan until all that it left are the ones that can afford what they want to sell us. They will break away they will not care about being banned from the premier league they will create something that they want and they have learned the cards that uefa and fifa and the fa and the government hold. They know now that they will fight it and what means they will use to fight it. Once the clubs spoken about join the super league the people that stay will be the ones you can go and support if you want to see the lads with a pint of wallop the team name might be Merseyside reds or tranmere but that’s what will be left for you if you do not stick with what’s on offer from lfc. The owners will not care. The protests won’t matter. Being kicked out the premier league won’t matter. No traditional fans in the stadium won’t matter. It will be a different sport but the old one will be available to you in the form of whatever is left behind and picking a club from that.
15.) 26 Apr 2021 13:46:04
How can any of your post hold any weight when we have just seen a prime minister, managers and players, fans and pundits all reject it. You have clearly learned nothing from the past week. Club owners don’t get to decide the fate of football and there is no appetite for an elite European league. Why? Because most fans cannot afford the money or the time to go trudging around Europe on a weekly basis!
How are you still convinced football will go this way. The question is been emphatically answered with a resounding NO! Up the pint of wallop!
16.) 27 Apr 2021 00:45:25
The point is that there is more than enough money in football for everyone to have a space at the table. The fact that the few don't want to share with the many is a very old story that continues to this day.
Ed.002, everything you say has a good chance of coming true, I don't doubt it. The problem is, the way you present it is as if there is not enough to go around. Suggesting that there is no way way half of the clubs in the UK can survive. They could if we shared more. You are at times brutally honest about us fans, how about that same acerbic withering wit of yours being directed at this. They (those at the top table, boardrooms, Uefa, FIFA, Elite, etc. ) are in it for themselves. Not the development of football.
As I say, I don't doubt what you say. I appreciate the Information. I do think you are coming at this from a certain angle though. Thank you.
17.) 27 Apr 2021 08:27:55
Redman - your lack of vision is a little embarrassing here man. All that happened is that they learned. They've learned that they won't be allowed to partially break away so they need to be prepared with a full new league. They've learned that they need to get major broadcasters signed up before announcing to temper the barrage of criticism. They've learned that they need to have a more polished proposal locked down. Maybe that waiting until uefa piss everyone off first before announcing anything. They will do it again, and again and again if need be until eventually the backlash just isn't there.
18.) 27 Apr 2021 15:17:01
The ESL will come. It is only a matter of when not if. The maths say so. Currently LFC and others can expect about £250m to £300m for winning the EPL and the champions league for TV companies.
We have depending on who you ask somewhere between 100million and 600 million fans worldwide. Similar figures are estimated for Utd Barca, Real Madrid, and most of the other dirty dozen clubs. On that basis LFC v Man U could attract easily 500million tv fans worldwide. At £10 per viewer via pay per view this would bring in £5 billion pounds for one game. This is what will happen in the future and why none of the greedy owners will sell at the moment
I also believe quite frighteningly that if too much pressure is brought to hear to stop it, the owners will just move the club's to places which will accept it. LFC to Boston, Utd to Tampa Bay Arsenal to L. A. for example.
{Ed001's Note - they won't be moved any time soon, that is not going to happen.}
19.) 27 Apr 2021 21:27:03
Hjikle the only lack of vision or grasp of reality was that of Perez and the other snakes. They embarrassed themselves in front of a world audience.
I think what Perez and maybe you possibly Ed’s 02 fail to grasp is that football does in fact have a soul. it belongs to the fans.
Ed2 jokes (I hope ) about the good old days. They still exists in an evolved modern day form. This is the basis on which the game is built and makes money from. The working masses make up the money which is pumped into the game. The owners and broadcasters make the profits but without the blessing and participation of the fans their product has zero value.
If there is anything to learn it’s that a handful old white wealthy men don’t get decide what happens to the game.
Of course there will be variations and evolutions to competitions but not a cull anywhere near the magnitude of what has been proposed. I really hope the opposite happens and other models are looked at to keep as many clubs as possible competitive and secure.
It’s interesting that the German clubs wanted nothing to do with it.
20.) 28 Apr 2021 00:31:56
Redman football does not belong to the fans and it hasn’t for the last 30 years or more. This breakaway will happen as soon as they can get all of their ducks in a row.
There will be a backlash from the working class fans and others but do you know what? They won’t care because it’s those fans they are trying to get rid of.
They don’t want the types that have that pint of ‘wallop’ on the way to the match and a pie at half time. They want the types who can spend hundreds if not thousands on a hospitality ticket and spend fortunes in the club shop.
This isn’t new it’s been happening for years in front of our eyes! We all loved the redevelopment of Anfield but that was done to get more hospitality seating.
Like Ed says it’s big business now and you either move with the times or find another team to support.
{Ed0666's Note - there’s are plenty of working class that can afford the hospitality tickets that will boycott football once this breakaway league happens. I’m not ashamed to admit that lately every time I’ve been to Anfield to watch the game (pre-pandemic) I’ve watched from hospitality because let’s face it it’s a more enjoyable experience but that won’t stop me from walking away from football once the lunatics take over the asylum. And I’ve been a Liverpool fan going on 45 odd years. Have been home and away all over Europe to watch my team. The point I’m making is don’t be too sure football doesent lose major gravitas once the breakaway league transpires because there will be a lot of disillusioned fans who would walk away than see their beloved sport prosituted.
21.) 28 Apr 2021 17:20:13
You explained it better than I did Ed’s football will loose gravitas.
If the product is messed with to much it becomes less valuable. Your right Becker football doesn’t belong to the fans but we are it’s customers. It’s logical that customers need to be kept happy to keep buying.
The large majority of society and football fans are working and lower middle class who don’t have thousands to spend on football. Collectively we make football worth billions hence the reason fan power is stronger than many on here think.
Terms like “move with the times†or football needs to evolve†is just another way of saying make the owners and broadcasters more money. I don’t think we should have it! Football should evolve for the right reasons not those based on greed.
19 Oct 2020 12:13:28
ed2 - when a club loses a player for a number of months and potentially the season, do they have the option to kind of de-register them to free up a roster space?
{Ed002's Note - Unless they have space in their squad, he cannot be replaced until January - they cannot deregister him until January. There are no HG free agents available that would even come close to the likes of Williams and Phillips. It is an unfortunate injury, clubs have to deal with things like this all of the time.}
1.) 19 Oct 2020 12:51:22
If we can’t cope with a player being injured, leading player or not, then we have issues bigger than VVD.
2.) 19 Oct 2020 16:30:22
Glass half full is that Alisson is back in training and should be back soon, having a top class keeper behind Matip and Gomez will make a huge difference. As for Prickford, hopefully karma will even itself out on him.
3.) 19 Oct 2020 23:41:56
Ok so I think we need to be logical about VVDs injury. Last season we won the league by 18 points. Is his absence going to lose us that many points. Probably not. But he’s a massive loss and others have to step up to the plate. I hate to say it, but in united’s hay day that’s what their players did regularly. Klopp will find way.
4.) 20 Oct 2020 02:29:54
Thanks ed was just interested to know as they do have this provision in american sports.
Cheers.
5.) 20 Oct 2020 10:29:05
lakes4 - we didn't start the season with an 18 point head start.
6.) 20 Oct 2020 15:23:02
That's the whole idea behind a squad of 25, isn't it? And to build a squad of 25 (not just 11) that is as cohesive and similar in quality as possible, so that there's no let down when injuries happen. ManC did just fine without De Bruyne one season, and without Laporte the other. And Aguero is not fit half the time. Suck it up and move forward. Let the chips fall where they may.
7.) 21 Oct 2020 05:33:14
ArAy . but theh didn't do just give without Laporte, they lost 8 or 9 games and finishes 18 points adrift of us, . They needed to take fernandinho into the back and thus losing out in his midfield strenghts, I hope we don't suffer from Fabinho possibly being unavailable to play his best role every week.
8.) 21 Oct 2020 09:35:20
Agreed Har_red. But they came in second, and were still a potent force during the season. I suspect you're going to see a title winner with at least 8-9 loses this year. Compressed shorter season, no home-field advantage to speak of, players in and out due to catching c. v., and the usual injuries. I don't see how any team can play consistently in the face of such havoc and disruption.
9.) 23 Oct 2020 06:07:53
That is fairly true, I can't argue with the points you've made there.
14 Aug 2020 12:15:11
eds - echo quoted a club source who denied that the club had been in contact with bayern regards Thiago. part of the rationale they gave was that the club wouldn't want to pay a transfer fee for a player they could sign for free in a year. my question is, for any club wanting to sign Thiago this year, wouldn't they also negotiate an extension to his current contract? it seems like he wants to leave Bayern now, so if another club picked him sure they would be wanting to have him sign a multi year deal? otherwise what other club would pay a transfer fee for potentially a one year rental!?
{Ed002's Note - Thiago doesn't want to extend his contract. I don't get your point about a one year rental.}
1.) 14 Aug 2020 13:07:48
Once Thiago leaves Bayern he will no longer have a contract with Bayern. He’ll have a new contract at his new club, which I’m sure won’t be for a year. It will be negotiated when Bayern allow somebody to speak to him and it’ll likely be 3-4 years, allowing the buying club to get the remaining top years out of the player and the player to have the chance of extending or leaving for yet another club for one last hurrah, maybe the Middle East, Far East, America or Italy.
By that point he has little resale value, will have declined physically making him less suited to certain ways of playing, will have cost a lot of money in wages and transfer fees and potentially suffered from further injuries which are creeping into his career. Hence why somebody at Liverpool is rightly wary.
2.) 14 Aug 2020 19:39:13
Hi eds, can one of confirm if we are actually in for Thiago or not?
Thanks in advance.
{Ed002's Note - RTFP. I have explained over and over the situation.}
3.) 14 Aug 2020 21:08:07
Evening Ed002 - Are you by any chance asking Redman 1 to listen to the Ross Tucker Football Podcast?
Just a small theory I’m working on ðŸ˜.
{Ed002's Note - F on't know what that is so I guess not.}
4.) 14 Aug 2020 23:13:52
ed2 - the question is, if Bayern sell thiago this summer, would the purchasing club also be negotiating a new contract for him that extends beyond the year he has left on his current contract? I'm asking the question because the echo rationale for Liverpool not wanting to buy Thiago is because the club don't want to buy a player whose contract is going to end in a year. I didn't understand their rational as it wouldn't seem to make sense for any club to spend money on a transfer who is going to become a FA in a year. that's the one year rental bit. happens in NBA all the time.
{Ed002's Note - I truly think you are completely confused about transfers. I have no idea what the Echo has said but if Liverpool want the player next year they can legally approach him next January. The length of his contract is unrelated to any club that buys him. So if Liverpool were to buy him they would look for a three to four year deal and would need to pay Bayern Munich an agreed fee.}
5.) 15 Aug 2020 00:24:46
Faithibworks you are after getting confused by what you read.
Whenever somebody transfers to a new club they sign a new contract with that club. What the echo mean is that Liverpool don't see value in spending €30m on a 29 year who could be a free agent in 10/ 11 months if he didn't leave Bayern this summer.
In reality, it seems more likely that Thiago will leave Bayern this summer so then he wouldn't be a free agent in 10/ 11 months. It's a case of which club will pay Bayern about €30m and Thiago to agree a contract with them. or maybe us, we'll have to wait and see.
6.) 15 Aug 2020 06:41:08
right, that's all I was after. Didn't need the carry on. Sean Ireland - I think you are right, I misinterpreted that bit about him being free in a year's time. I understood that for all transfers, the player would sign a new contract, hence the confusion in what I thought I'd read in the echo. Having said that, if Thiago says he wants to leave Bayern for anywhere now, then that would be the rationale to spend money on him this year because he won't be free in 12 months time by virtue of being at another club!
7.) 15 Aug 2020 09:23:11
Exactly ya ðŸ‘.
8.) 15 Aug 2020 09:35:14
Exactly ya ðŸ‘.
9.) 16 Aug 2020 03:16:19
We paid a higher fee to sign AOC when he was into his last year. We got nearly 12 mil for 31 yr old lovren with him available for free next year. 25mil would be good business to get thiago this year, why wait another year and lose out on a season where he could be a key player, this isn't huge money to be saying it can't be a wise investment.
12 Apr 2020 22:38:56
Ed2 - interested if you can share any info about how COVID-19 and its effect on the economy has altered how transfer negotiations are held? For instance, I just read a headline regarding Kane and Spurs holding out for 200mil. I'm not interested in that rumour but in how a normal discussion about transfer fees might be happening now? Can they even discuss figures right now!?
{Ed002's Note - Transfers this summer will split into (a) those already agreed and completed subject to paperwork (e.g. Hakim Ziyech (Ajax to Chelsea), Nicolo Barella (Cagliari to Inter Milan), Alvaro Morata (Chelsea to Atletico Madrid) and Trincao (Braga to Barcelona)); (b) the transfers several cash rich clubs would like to get over the line if possible (e.g. Mbappe, Sanco, Martinez, Pogba, Havertz etc.) although people will try and negotiate reductions in the cost of overall packages (e.g. Sancho); (c) there are the then the higher-profile clubs that will need to horse trade by looking to spread out payments if they can, include players in sales or have the sell to buy (e.g. Inter Milan, Atletico Madrid and Barcelona are good examples; (d) the more run of the mill transfers where players are recruited to gain improvements in the sides, replace retiring and out of contract players etc..
You will certainly see less movement and less spend in the lower tiers as the money won't be there. Many will look to sell a player or two to the higher leagues to keep themselves out of trouble (e.g. Brad Young (G) has a move from Billingham Town to a Premier League side agreed already). And many PL and Championship sides are once again looking at players from the lower tiers.
In terms of transfer fees, we will still see a few very expensive transfers, you will see players having to stay where they are for another year, you will see efforts to reduce overall costs particularly agent fees - and across mainland Europe you will see even more horse trading than normal.}
Faithinworks's banter posts with other poster's replies to Faithinworks's banter posts
03 Oct 2023 23:47:01
This reminds me a Mayday episode I seen once. You know, the air crash investigation show. Basically a plane stalled mid-air, the co-pilot recognised the issue and but late to communicate it and even then the head pilot either didn’t receive the info or act upon it. Then the plane crashed. Through the investigation they made modifications to how co and head pilot communicate and moved to empower the voice of the co-pilot that would help lead to action.
I think the referee association are at this same crossroads. They need to micro manage the guidelines for the communications between VAR and on-pitch ref so it clearly communicates the rationale and final decision. It isn’t good enough to say “check complete”. Other sports do this very well and PGMOL should be calling in leaders from NBA. NFL, rugby etc to advise these changes to the game.
Have said it before elsewhere, but they also need to work on diversifying the game. Too much of the same yobo blokey blokes running the game. It’s no wonder change is slow when you have an incestuous system that just protects itself.
Finally, not buying corruption at all. They’re too stupid incompetent dumb and stale to concoct some kind of corruption.
{Ed001's Note - but you have said there is corruption in this very post when you refer to the system protecting itself. That is corruption. So you do think there is corruption, you just don't understand what corruption is.}
1.) 04 Oct 2023 00:00:53
Ed1 - I get that interpretation by definition. But I’m talking about there not being a corrupt regime deliberately working against Liverpool like a lot of people seem to be making that point.
For me, this is like systemic racism or a systemic power imbalance towards men. It’s the same minds thinking alike, doing the same things and that creates a system that inheritently protects itself. When I think of corruption I think of a intentional dishonesty, changing outcomes for an agenda.
I don’t believe that is at play and ultimately is unhelpful to making change. This is a system issue that requires diversity of mind and real leaders to drive the change.
{Ed001's Note - ok, whatever. You are still saying it is corruption and then trying to say it isn't.}
2.) 04 Oct 2023 00:04:49
If Darren England is not stood down for three months minimum (I think he should be outright fired) then these mistakes are doomed to repeat themselves. It is just incompetence of the highest possible level he had every opportunity to halt the play even before the freekick. It's almost impossible to do what he did. He can't be back in a job week after next. This needs a proper suspension to wake up the Var referees. I think they treat a VAR duty as a day off from the "real stuff". Unprofessional and incompetent to the max. It cannot slide as it is simply too obvious. It's like a crossing guard waving on a car when a small child is crossing the road and there's someone shouting at you that there's a child there. Like literally he is barely present in his job. He has to go. It's simply too big of mistake. And if there's not proper punishment here then all hope is lost for refereeing in the country.
3.) 04 Oct 2023 00:31:05
Davey, I couldn't agree more mate.
4.) 04 Oct 2023 00:34:49
All teams should refuse to play when he's on duty until he's sacked. But that won't happen.
5.) 04 Oct 2023 00:36:47
Ed001, is the corruption linked to UAE and Man City or is it a system protecting itself?
{Ed001's Note - or is it both? Why does it have to be one or the other? The only thing that is certain is that it is at least one of them.}
6.) 04 Oct 2023 00:37:49
Honestly haven't they just screwed it up even more? I mean the explanation they gave doesn't fit anymore seeing as how the replay operator is constantly saying onfield decision is offside multiple times and they are saying they are happy with it.
7.) 04 Oct 2023 00:43:40
Corrupt on every level. It’s to easy to get away with. They answer to themselves they set there own punishments outsiders not allowed to question or criticise without a monetary penalty. They may not be taking cash bribes but something is definitely amiss it’s akin to blatters FiFA. Call me all the fools you want. It’s the Scouse in me, we question, your not pulling the wool over my eyes.
{Ed001's Note - that is the biggest issue, the complete lack of any oversight. Anyone who questions is punished, while their own offences are brushed away as simple human error. That is fine if you are going to take action to try and remove the errors, but they have not taken any action to improve matters. They have taken action to increase their income with a nice TV show to tell us how they were right though. So clearly money is the key mover for the PGMOL. Which is very much akin to Blatter, and his protege's, FIFA.}
8.) 04 Oct 2023 00:54:44
Ed1 - not sure why you’re caught up in trying to dissect my interpretation of corruption versus yours. I gave you a fairly good explanation of my view and then my interpretation of corruption because you made the point. Yet you seem to be more interested in the use of the word, it’s definition and your interpretation of corruption. The system can be corrupt by all the points that I made. But I think you’re saying it’s corrupt in that there is some higher power trying to manipulate the game. I don’t believe that to be the case.
Anyways, what are we doing here mate? Lol this is secondary to the point I was making about the real issue is and some ideas to change it.
{Ed001's Note - I am not saying anything other than you stated that this corruption was happening and then ended by saying you didn't think it was corrupt. I was just pointing out that you were contradicting yourself. Never once did I suggest anything else, you are reading more into my words than was there.}
9.) 04 Oct 2023 01:07:15
Ed001, it doesn't have to be one or the other. Do you believe this is linked to Man City and why?
That's a bold claim. We were playing Spurs in September and I think you're tilting at windmills bringing City into it.
It's ludicrous without any proper evidence.
{Ed001's Note - ok well coming from you, with the crap you have been posting, I would rather you thought me ludicrous than you agreed with me to be honest. As for no proper evidence, what do you want me to do? Produce a paper trail of proof that City have cheated? Only that has been done before with irrefutable proof of their pay offs and financial shenanigans. Unfortunately the only way to obtain such evidence is illegally, which makes the evidence completely useless.
Thankfully, we always have people like you to claim it is nonsense though, even though you have even less evidence. You seem to think that the only way a team can profit from a result is if they are directly involved in the match, but as Barcelona and the Calciopoli scandal should tell you, the best way for the team to benefit is by affecting the results of those who are likely to challenge them at the top of the table.}
10.) 04 Oct 2023 01:45:11
I fully understand that, when emotion is stripped away, there are serious matters that should be addressed, but won’t as there is far, far too much money involved, but honest to God, I really do wish I was about 9 or 10:again and could just go to the match and be entertained happy when we won and sad when we lost but always ready to go to the next one.
11.) 04 Oct 2023 02:09:43
As maximus endorsed, shtick together lads and nevermind this dividing rubbish. Irishman is wise ?.
12.) 04 Oct 2023 05:58:37
PMGOL is an officiating body that has massive amounts of influence over our game, yet it has miniscule amounts of oversight, professionalism and transparency. Because recent events have involved one of the most prestigious clubs in the world who will almost certainly be challenging for silverware, they have been forced into action. Imagine what goes on when they're not under ferocious scrutiny, PMGOL is precisely the sort of organization open to corruption.
13.) 04 Oct 2023 06:22:15
Theres only one way to prove there's corruption is for a police or govt investigation, monitor the officials bank accounts their passports their physical property ownership whether they have affiliations to any club owners outside of officiating prem games. They should check all the var teams. They should check betting patterns on the day of the game of players and officials. Unfortunately corruption in football can only come in 2 forms players bunging a game and refs bunging a game the one more likely is the refs but its a cert players bet on games. Too many things not right about football. there's an arrogance from sky they try to play Arsenal and Spurs up as bigger than Liverpool its as if they try to belittle Liverpool its as if they are desperate for them to fail. So also Skys involvement should be investigated do they get to put pressure on officials by saying var too slow our customers need fast decisions. They put money in but then forget its customers money not theirs. So if they want to root it out or discover it, a police investigation or a ministerial investigation. But i guess its like asking Hitler to investigate rumours of person war crimes. Its not going to happem.
14.) 04 Oct 2023 07:14:23
I agree with ed1 100%. big fancy tripd abroad, v well paid and v well looked after to gain infulence . no doubt in my mind.
15.) 04 Oct 2023 08:14:43
Ed001, you are the one making claims without any evidence. You even admit that you have no evidence.
You are even going on about Barcelona and Calciopoli; that is not evidence.
I said it was ludicrous for you to make claims like you have because there was the UAE story in The Times. That publication had the sense not to suggest that it was 'corruption' though.
And why is the best way for a team to benefit is by affecting teams that are likely to challenge them at the top? Can you explain that and how it worked for Barcelona and with Calciopoli, please? I think you have just made that up but if you can have a go at explaining it, that'd be great.
Can you also explain how and why City have decided that we are most likely to challenge them at the top, please?
{Ed001's Note - are you really this dense? You need it explaining how the best way to win without it being too suspicious is to ensure that no one else can possibly get as many points? I give up you are being deliberately obtuse and facetious. If you have to be told and explained everything then you deserve to be lied to. It just smacks of wilful ignorance. Still this is better than your attempts to be funny, which were frankly embarrassing last night.}
16.) 04 Oct 2023 09:14:23
Well, I wouldn't say it was the best way and I asked how it worked for Barcelona and Calciopoli.
I don't have to be told everything and have everything explained to me but we are talking about your views.
Your views are not common knowledge and some of them are quite extreme and who else can explain them? I take it that you don't want to or that you can't and that'll do for now.
I wasn't trying to be funny last night, I was being sarcastic. And don't be embarrassed on my behalf; it's just a feeling and it'll pass.
{Ed001's Note - you clearly do have to be told everything. It is not difficult to work out that stopping your opponents racking up many points makes it easier to win the league without having to fix as many of your own results to raise suspicions.
My views are quite extreme? Really? You really are just trolling.
You really are just a troll then? If you weren't even trying to be funny, then you were just trolling to be a dick, don't do that it is pathetic. I would never waste my time being embarrassed for you, it is just sad that you lack the intelligence to understand why you should be embarrassed for yourself.}
17.) 04 Oct 2023 16:06:00
There's two main schools of thought with this. Either:
1. There is wide spread corruption and officials are part of some back alley, shady conspiracy involving fixing matches/ betting syndicate type thing - City never involved in these type of calls so some believe they are offering bribes etc; - similar shady suspicions and some people's belief given the magnitude of issues seen and zero action taken to rectify such issues.
2. The officials are completely incompetent and/ or only human so it is inevitable that mistakes will happen - the PGMOL acknowledges (some) of these and then claims others were the 'correct' decision based upon. a clear distortion of the same rule they read out the previous week
These are the main 2 sides of this discussion but is there a 3rd?
3. The officials do make mistakes but, the VAR officials, rather than actually point out a glaring error to an official, instead is used to back that official? Mike Dean admitted that he refused to call the officials attention to the blatant hair pull on Cucarella because the ref was 'a mate' and had already had a hard day and he did not want to make it worse.
So instead of VAR properly intervening it is being used to help friends? This would then indicate a form of institutionalism that we see in other professions - they all band together and have each others back, no matter what wrongdoing has occurred.
Now whilst I commend the team ethic, it is surely at a detriment to the actual role?
Whilst not corruption as in the first thought above, surely making wrong calls to back your colleagues because you do want to see them under fire or in trouble is still a form of corruption? At the very least such wilful disregard of ones duties, deliberate dishonesty and calculated fraudulence is certifiable as gross misconduct in every other profession
The most insane thing about all of this is that these issues have persisted since VAR was introduced and have only gotten worse - the fact that the PGMOL have not devised a plan to tackle these issues is simply gross mismanagement.
18.) 05 Oct 2023 10:10:41
@Fbart it’s nice that you think the police or Government should investigate corruption. Who else would be better placed ?.
01 Oct 2023 04:39:34 Watched the replay, there is no way Darren England thought the officials had ruled a goal. There is no way. Assuming they watch the same images we see on telly live it is clear as day that there is no goal celebration, the images so linesman flagged offside, and the players are mulling about waiting for VAR. there is just no way Darren England missed all that unless he is deaf, blind and dumb. This smells of a sham cover up to protect the technology and blame the communication process instead.
1.) 01 Oct 2023 07:02:46
I grew up in the same little village as Darren England, he use to play footy with the rest of us. He's a Man Utd fan.
2.) 01 Oct 2023 06:45:53
Last night just proved what a shambles the VAR is - interfering in something that wasn’t clear and obvious error (the referee adjudging Jones tackle to be a yellow and not a red), but then missing a clear and obvious error (the offsides) .
The problem I have with the red is not the outcome as it was always going to be a close call, but the fact that VAR screen was showing a still of the worst angle and worst moment for a full 30 seconds and so the ref had his mind made up for him before seeing any of the factors relevant to why he called it a yellow in the first place (the fact he got the ball, and just rolled over the top, the level of force in the tackle etc. ) . It was a subjective call yet the VAR took the call away from the man right on the spot and gave it to another, exactly what it wasn’t supposed to be used for.
The offsides though is just beyond a joke.
VAR needs an overhaul by someone who can rethink the use case entirely and how it’s implemented. There is so much confusion and personal interpretation with so many cooks now, nobody can rationalize the outcomes.
3.) 01 Oct 2023 07:47:44
Maybe the officials are Joe Lewis' mates and they're merely returning the favour.
4.) 01 Oct 2023 07:57:37
It’s a cover up a lie to cover a lie.
5.) 01 Oct 2023 08:07:02
I think we just need to suck it up and move on. Calling someone out as currupt is a little too much.
Mistakes of a great magnitude were made but the fella is only human.
{Ed025's Note - dont be so naive mate..
6.) 01 Oct 2023 08:30:15
faith
The technology is not at fault here it’s a gang of corrupt muppets officiating the game that’s the problem.
Jones wasn’t a red but can see why the ref has gave it when he’s only seen that still that looks nastier than it was
Jota 1st wasn’t a yellow
The goal let’s just not speak about that because that’s corruption at the highest order it’s a sham that .
7.) 01 Oct 2023 08:43:58
02bnhd2 - Do you really believe what you’re saying? Do you genuinely think that offside goal decision was pure incompetence?
No. It was too quickly brushed over, too obviously ignored by Sky, too far off-track from regular VAR protocol to simply be incompetence. It was cheating.
Yesterday’s result was engineered. Poorly, but engineered nonetheless. City lost, have injuries and suspensions to key players, made massive transfer mistakes in the summer, and may well lose two PL games in a row for the first time in half a decade next week. It’s too regular to dismiss as incompetence now.
8.) 01 Oct 2023 08:51:20
It is a corrupt system. It is not a Comms issue. It is not a Tech issue. It is corruption.
30 Aug 2023 02:47:00
Well, today is a bad day for the Twitter mafia.
Mo still at the club. I guess he could still leave but hopefully the Twitter mob allow their blood pressure to cool next time they click on a random article about our clubs transfer business.
1.) 30 Aug 2023 07:51:12
The Saudi window is open until 20 Sep.
Whilst I don’t believe Mo will leave I doubt this story will disappear until 21 Sep.
2.) 30 Aug 2023 12:06:14
OP, I'm starting to think that this whole Salah thingy, is a ploy by the Saudis to keep their names in the papers and get people talking about their league. After all, it's free publicity by going after one of the icons of the PL who is also an Arab who speaks Arabic. On a PR level, what's not to like? Notice, they wan Mo so much and at all costs, we ain't seen a bid yet?
The wretched thing however, is that the media have feasted on this PR stunt and are using it to stoke the fire of division within the fan base (esp. with those on Twitter) and the club by making it sound like we are in disarray which IMO, is nowhere near the truth. Just my take.
28 Aug 2023 10:22:06
ed1 - I'm getting a little worried with Trent this season. and it has nothing to do with the usual clap trap about his defending.
I fear he is going to spend a lot of mental energy this season figuring out the hybrid role, his priorities as a footballer and applying all of that to be effective on the pitch. I can't remember the exact moment, but there was a part of the match where it seemed to me like he just needs to be either in or out of the midfield. and that playing him half-way in between, in the long run will damage his game.
The other thing about it is that our midfield needs energy and he can bring that with his youth and eagerness to nail the role.
This summer was the time to transition him to midfield as he is the perfect age about to hit his prime years. Instead I fear we're going to waste some of this development by just confusing him and wasting his energy figuring out this random role that he'll never use if he played for any other club and certainly not for England.
and now that Mr. Intensity has spoken up, we all know who to thank for it lol.
{Ed001's Note - I did tell you all a long-time ago whom wasn't fault for the changes in tactics, most people did not believe me though! And I fully agree, Trent is all over the shop, trying to do everything and be both, when he could simply just do one very easily.}
1.) 28 Aug 2023 13:18:27
Maybe we should start playing with 10 men Ed. That way everyone everyone can play what their usual role used to be. Everyone look confused with this inverted nonsense. Wonder if Trent himself is OK playing this inverted stuff. Not to be dramatic but I feel more confident seeing us playing with 10 men instead of 11. Everyone look soo confused.
{Ed001's Note - Trent is happy playing for the club mate, he will just get his head down and work on it rather than complaining. Especially while the team is winning.}
2.) 28 Aug 2023 13:38:58
Ed001, I’ve always been a big advocate of playing Trent in midfield but I’d rather him just playing RB than this inverted FB b*llocks. While we play this system we’re always going to have problems down our right side, and he’s always going to get the flack for it.
{Ed001's Note - has to be one or the other, you can't expect any player to play both roles, not even Pele or Maradona could do that.}
3.) 28 Aug 2023 13:43:30
So Ed, the story about him going to a podcast saying he is responsible for this inverted stuff is true then. Him betting a year of his salary to convinced Klopp to convert Trent into inverted full back aka "to dominate midfield" .
{Ed001's Note - he has been saying a lot more than that this week on podcasts.}
4.) 28 Aug 2023 13:50:44
Exactly Ed001, I’m constantly seeing people moaning about him being caught out of position! How can he be caught out of position when he doesn’t have a set position. When we lose possession he cannot be expected to move from midfield to right back in less than a second. This tactic is never going to work. It doesn’t seem too bad when we have 70% possession but when the game is end to end, it’s a disaster waiting to happen.
{Ed001's Note - exactly. If it is introduced when the team is dominating the game, that would be totally different. But to start with it is just inviting trouble.}
5.) 28 Aug 2023 14:05:28
Yeah, OP and Ed01. Trent seems to have a lot on his mind and a lot seems to be unnecessarily being put on his shoulders. He is a top lad and takes/ welcomes the responsibility but someone needs to step in here and take the burden off the lad.
Look at both errors that led to goals vs Bmouth and at Newcastle. He had not even secured the possession of the ball, he was already thinking of what he would do next hence, his touch fails him. That means he has too much to think about playing essentially two positions if not more depending whether in or out of possession. This cannot be good for him and one day, this may come to a head and he could get himself sent off, for real. Just my take.
6.) 28 Aug 2023 14:06:36
Edd001 why is he betting a salary on dominating possession when we are far worse now possession wise now and look awful. He should be sacked.
{Ed001's Note - I agree, he needs to go or be demoted at the very least.}
7.) 28 Aug 2023 14:06:52
I don’t think the hybrid role works for anyone. City were far more effective with Cancelo bombing on the left hand side and Walker staying back to cover the high line on the right. City’s team is perfectly set up to use the hybrid system and they’d still be better without it, so it definitely doesn’t work for us.
8.) 28 Aug 2023 14:07:48
And as for Pep, I’ve never known an assistant manager with a vastly over-inflated ego like him. I don’t even know why he’s bragging about the system being his idea though, everyone can see it’s not working!
9.) 28 Aug 2023 14:36:49
Ed001 I on the belief if somethings not broken don’t mend it. I don’t believe Trent can’t defend so I think keep him at right back he is only second to KDB for assists since he came in. All the Bollocks started last season affecting both Trent and Salah the beginning of the season Salah’s goals where down as he stayed out wide and Trent’s assist where down as he was not get forward down the wing. And if it’s Gakpo or Nunez upfront they’re both better size strikers than Bobby so get the crosses into the box like we use to. All Robertson we are losing his biggest strength of getting up and down as much with him not putting nowhere near as many crosses.
{Ed001's Note - exactly, we are moving away from the strengths of our players due to Lijnders thinking he is more intelligent than anyone else and feeling a need to prove it. If he was that intelligent, he would not be so desperate to show his intellect. He would be content to just get on with doing what works.}
10.) 28 Aug 2023 15:06:31
If he had more intellect and knew what he was doing he wouldn’t have been sacked by NEC when he was their manager.
28 Aug 2023 06:53:48
surely we're going to spend 10s of millions on transfer fee, agent fee and wages over the next 3-4 years to cover Virgil's pending suspension? lol
thank goodness the owners, Klopp, transfer committee or whoever it is had the foresight to prepare the squad for such great depth in the attacking line.
what a win!
1.) 28 Aug 2023 08:05:51
Faithinworks you asked me on my post yesterday if I thought Endo had tough time to start because of the situation he has been in. And yes that’s exactly what I mean first game the lad would not have even had a full training session comes as we go down to 10 men then yesterday it was all ready a tough game and we went down to 10 again in one of the best grounds for home support in the country. His head must be spinning I bet he thinks he hopes it’s not like this every week.
2.) 28 Aug 2023 08:23:38
For the first 30mins yesterday Endo looked nervous and well off it. He also lacks height. Happy for him to be a squad filler but he’s no destroyer. We need a Decoure or Palphina to be signed this week. This could make or break our season.
3.) 28 Aug 2023 08:42:45
He's been at Liverpool for 10 days, Reaper. Give him a break. And some time.
4.) 28 Aug 2023 08:51:24
Palphina. who the tickle me funny is this guy? ?
Amazed how people are so hard on Endo. The guy has nearly played more games than has had training sessions, and both games were playing with 10 men.
Give him a chance peeps!
5.) 28 Aug 2023 09:01:54
@JLCBM, who is Palphina, lol.
Seriously tho, I thought Endo did his best under the circumstances @Grino mentioned. Also, there was a lot of play in thirst 20 ins where the midfield was being byepassed due to the high press and energy both teams started with so can't really judge him.
6.) 28 Aug 2023 09:33:15
Jesus Christ Reaper. How about we give him a chance to gell with the team and learn the game plan. The endless potting of players after 60 minutes of games time is ridiculous.
7.) 28 Aug 2023 11:33:31
Endo does lack height though ?.
01 Dec 2023 11:28:06
Scouse - Mbappe could be an angel, dalglish reincarnate. we can't afford him.
29 Nov 2023 05:02:15
Ed1 - this convo with Leek is hurting my brain haha. I think some people don’t quite see the nuance. They just see this happening over there and assume it can happen here. Meanwhile totally disregarding that we have turned plenty of bargain transfers into superstars. So even the premise to suggest that we don’t or can’t do what the likes of Brighton / Napoli do in principle is purely not true.
The other thing about it is that we make an assumption that the players Napoli signed would have either been straight into the starting line-up or prepared to bide their time on the bench. Marginal either way for all of those guy.
{Ed001's Note - exactly. It just shows a lack of understanding of reality.}
14 Nov 2023 02:00:34
Incredible Bulk - you probably just came on here to verify a far fetched rumour you heard through the grapevine which is fair! With social media being so focused on clicks I’d be taking any kind of news with less than a grain of salt. Doesn’t mean it’s not worth getting checked out here but I’ve long since stopped worrying about everything that comes across my screen these days mate.
14 Nov 2023 01:58:04
Barco seems more like a winger to me. Tidy little player.
11 Sep 2023 23:55:18
I really like the work of De Zerbi and Ange. I've seen Ange's work for a long time now from A-league to where he is now and he has consistently turned out quality football and alwyas seemed to be a real connection between the team and the fanbase.
If Ange was available at the end of Klopp's tenure I'd go for him.
04 Dec 2023 10:01:46
ed1 - this is single cell analysis of players. no goal or assist = no good. People need to accept that we have a squad and that each of the players will have peaks and troughs throughout the season.
Most of the time it will just be playing through it.
04 Dec 2023 10:00:10
I didn't watch the game other than highlights, but Spurs were minutes away from losing that game. and City didn't lose.
04 Dec 2023 09:59:21
Mo had an easier chance the Nunez.
I think we need to stop with this micro analysis of every hit and miss with Nunez.
every game he starts, him and Mo are developing better chemistry and they are creating for each other in every match. They are a real handful.
03 Dec 2023 19:48:23
I see the netflix generation has infiltrated this page again.
People really need to take a bigger picture view of the world before they comment. It's really single celled simple to say 'x' player had a bad game. Whilst that might be true in a silo, to then go and make the leap to Kelleher being average and we need a better backup keeper is a really sad indictment of where the world is. now now now.
I think it's pathetic to be honest and whilst I'm usually supportive of opinions, this one can go in the bin.
02 Dec 2023 09:58:17
KingCarlos - what revenue have they generated?
What do we consider our academy prospects? Quansah and Chambers have been here since early teens. Bradley and Baj arrived as late teens. Do they all count as what we’d consider as our academy developed players?