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25 Apr 2021 00:39:50
Hi Ed2 - are you able to explain what Perez means by the ESL saving football. Was there a strategy plan for the ESL to support clubs outside the 12?


{Ed002's Note - What he means, as I have explained repeatedly over many years, is that football needs to decide what sort of restructuring is required. Putting aside any "breakaway" or counter proposal, my fears have always been the vast number of professional clubs there are in England well below the Premier League. I hold a reasonably strong view in terms of the need to restructure football in Europe in any case. Previously I have said that the eventual "breakaway pan-European league" would force the restructuring of many of the national leagues, possibly resulting in a British league with perhaps only a couple of professional tiers and then regionalised amateur leagues below that. Now we have a situation that will change the financial paradigm and may make clubs and authorities look at the situation with lower tier sides regardless.

Financially I do not see that so many professional sides can be sustained within the sport which, like it or not, will see more and more money going in to the highest levels of the game. Governments will ensure that grassroots sport get funding but everything in the middle (Southern, Northern, Conference, Division 2, Scottish Divisions 1-3, League of Wales will not get the funding needed to continue on any sort of professional basis. For me, clubs should already recognise this and put their efforts in to getting their finances in order to see if they can make it to a British professional league that will need to flourish without perhaps six sides that have eventually gone down the pan-European route - and have gone for good (it would be two or perhaps three initially) or even separation from the Premier League and Championship.

Clubs like Accrington Stanley will need to carry on as amateurs or face extinction (yet again) like Bury. Recently Hartlepool has been struggling - again it needs to adapt. The mighty Third Lanark have started their long journey back to the top - it can be done. These are all proud clubs with a history.

The game has changed significantly and will continue to do so whether the supporters of certain clubs like it or not. Football at the highest level is big business and attracts the sponsorship it does because the sponsors wish to tap in to the disposable income of the fans and ride the back of the advertising that flows naturally from the success some clubs achieve. Long gone are the days of the cloth-capped, hobnailed-booted, chimney sweep making his way, rattle in hand, to cheer on his team at Anfield on a Saturday afternoon. I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 8 to 10 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA. You will have the opportunity to see the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus and the other major European sides play in week-on-week regular competition at The Emirates, St James Park, Stamford Bridge or wherever. Fans of the sides who take the plunge will have the opportunity to visit cities such as Milan, Barcelona, Munich, etc. every couple of weeks to watch their team play. If you want to don your cloth cap, have a pint of wallop with your chums before going off to the local match through the grim, wet and cobbled streets of the Northwest of England where there is smog, dead & dying pit ponies laying on the street and only chips and fried curry to eat., perhaps one of the sides from the suburbs will have survived so the Liverpool and Everton supporters can go and watch them?

This will be a case of getting with the game. I will try to refer to this as the "Post Apocalyptic Zombie Scenario" from now on.}

1.) 25 Apr 2021 09:05:23
Pint of wallop absolutely love that Ed you’d want to trade mark that it’s brilliant my friend!
1/ pint of wallop
2/ RTFP.

2.) 25 Apr 2021 09:28:27
Classic ed002 response so clinical and fascinating to read yet with a hint of comedy to make us chuckle
Up the pool.

3.) 25 Apr 2021 09:48:22
If there is little to no support for such restructuring from fans then can is realistically move forward and be a success? In the UK were already in another economic slide due to C.V. and being compounded further by Brexit, I don’t think the sort of money required to follow ones team with the structure you’re suggesting is there for most. Now if it was 90% sponsors/ affiliates/ etc attending I could well imagine that but it is an incredibly dystopian, ugly face of what football could be. I understand it is a business now but there are still huge swathes of fans who are very attached to their clubs, not to mention political considerations which may come into play (like involvement of national governments) if the uproar is significant enough. I would be surprised if such proposals and restructuring went ahead as, though there are wealthy individuals in favor of such things, there is little of any support from fans - I’m not sure I’ve heard much from anyone in favor, the closest I’ve heard is ‘we should join so we don’t get left behind’ but even those sentiments are rare.

I know your understanding of the game, and the ins and outs behind closed doors, are far superior to mine, but in this instance Ed I truly hope your predictions/ expectations are wrong.

All the best Ed, also thanks for the time and effort you spend giving us your knowledge, there has been a lot of talk and discussion recently and your insights are greatly appreciated.

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with COVID-19 nor BREXIT. These proposals have been around since long before both. Whether the fans like it or not, more clubs will go out of business like Bury if nothing is done.}

4.) 25 Apr 2021 09:51:10
I know you are correct Ed and football must change. But what trophies will the elite sides play for? IMO after a couple of years of watching the same sides play each other the atmosphere will die. I might move more and more corporate but it will become totally boring.

{Ed002's Note - The "elite" group of clubs includes 21 sides so it won't be the same sides every week.}

5.) 25 Apr 2021 10:51:32
I’m inclined to agree with you Ed002 on this, I can see the benefits and disadvantages on both sides .
I don’t necessarily want it to happen but I’d rather Liverpool were in than out if it does.

6.) 25 Apr 2021 11:59:57
I don’t doubt a word of what ed2 says but it is heartbreaking to read. It seems as though the game has to be restructured because of the greed at the very top of the pyramid and I include UEFA and FIFA in that. Perez alluded to the fact that the big clubs are struggling financially but what I don’t understand is why they won’t just face the exact same fate in say another 20years, as surely all that will happen by generating more money is the players, agents, hangers on etc will all just demand more again and the same problems exists just with higher sums involved. That doesn’t seem to answer to the problem to me, just kicking the problem down the line to the detriment of the sport its self?

{Ed002's Note - Football has to naturally evolve, as it did with the Premier Leagues and Champions League.}

7.) 25 Apr 2021 13:29:39
And who exactly can afford milan on a Wednesday with Barcelona away on Saturday week in week out. It won't be long until it only home fans ie NFL.

{Ed002's Note - I suspect you don't understand the plan.}

8.) 25 Apr 2021 14:52:39
Thanks ed, regards your comment -

"I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 8 to 10 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA"

You've also. mentioned that the key difference between ESL and the elite 22 clubs is that ESL hasn't worked with UEFA. Can I assume then that if UEFA are at the table with the elite clubs, that they have a sense of inevitability that their time will be coming to an over the next decade? I just wonder what the purpose. of these clubs negotiating ei UEFA is if the end game is breaking them up.

{Ed002's Note - I think that is a reasonably fair description. UEFA coming to the table is with the obejective of being in control, or at the very least maintaining their position as the controlling body. But changes need to be made and this recent attempt falls far short of expectations and has dome more harm than good.}

9.) 25 Apr 2021 14:54:09
Also ed2, reminded myself to tell you this - I posted your detailed post about ESL to a fan page in NZ. One member replied back saying he went to Anfield regularly 40 years ago and never went cloth-capped. Lol I don't know what this means but thought I'd pass it on :p.

{Ed002's Note - It means he probably has loads of illegitimate if he failed to take protection.}

10.) 25 Apr 2021 16:51:47
I’ll be honest Ed. I’ve got no time for a pint of lukewarm wallop or whatever vile brown booze the campaign for real ale prefer for that matter, boring bearded trainspotters that they are. So I’m all for weekend trips to Bavaria, Turin, Milan, Budapest, Bruges, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Prague, Paris, Lyon, Milan, Rome, Madrid, etc when it eventually happens. Just needs to be done better than this last laughable effort.

11.) 25 Apr 2021 20:43:47
Newsflash! Fans will not put up with what Ed002 is talking about. We have just witnessed that. So let’s put that to bed.
I’m sure Eds 02 information is correct however that doesn’t mean it will happen. How can it? If there is some sort of European elite/ super / pan / bull league then fans will be marginalised or grouped into the few that can afford and the few that cannot.

Thanks for your very elitist view of the working class game Ed’s but your comments are out of of touch. The working class has evolved and just because we don’t wear cloth caps and drink a pint of wallop doesn’t mean that we don’t work for the week then walk to the game and have a pint on the way. This happens all over the country at every club week in week out.
The event this week prove your view of the fans the game are way off the mark.
Despite the best efforts of money and greed football remains the people game. Without the people there is no product no game.
So thank you sir but I think you need to re examine your theory.

{Ed002's Note - So what has happened to disprove what I have said?}

12.) 26 Apr 2021 04:08:55
I started going to matches in around 1959. The European Super League has been kicking around the boardroom since the mid-1960s.

In the time I’ve been a fan, society has changed enormously. If you look at what has happened with other social organisations, such as social clubs and hobby clubs and churches they’ve had to adapt or go bust. All organisations have followed similar paths. We no longer tolerate sleepy little organisations that scrape by on charity or luck – everything is properly commercialised. The pattern repeats all over society… to simplify it, if a club needs 100 active members to be viable, two clubs with 80 members will be forced to merge – but the new organisation won’t have 160 members because a significant number won’t follow the new organisation. In essence the choices diminish at the same time as tickets/ membership gets dearer.
The football business model is entirely different, but the outcomes are similar.
When we were forced to go all seater, the days of wandering up every other Saturday and paying three bob to see a match (15p for you youngsters) went for ever. Instead of a damp step, there was a plastic seat and instead of pence it became pounds to use that same space. Last time I went to a game it cost best part of £30 to sit where the boys pen used to be and I used to pay 9d (4.5p) to watch from there.
The football team I went as a lad to see and support became a real force – then it became a brand – then became an International big deal brand; And although my support is unquestionable and always will be – it’s hard to find much “Liverpool” about Liverpool FC
Instead of local Dad and Lads being the main fan base, it’s now the clubs international fan base that the clubs serve. The population churn under Mrs T resulted in people going where the jobs were. So now there are more of us supporters that live outside the city than are in the city.

The international fan base for teams like Liverpool and Man Utd dwarfs the UK based fan numbers and ultimately are more important financially to the clubs.
I’m priced out. I can’t afford to go to games now, but there are so many people to take my place. People who can afford to buy the expensive corporate hospitality deals, Fans have moaned about the day-trippers to Anfield and Old Trafford for decades, but that is a huge income stream – and the “Anfield Experience” fan is probably the future.
If anyone thinks that the movers and shakers of football MUST take notice of fans wishes, you are sadly mistaken. This year’s Training Ground Premiership shows that they can to a bigger degree than you’d think get by without the diehard match going fans.
Football is a business; the Americans consider them franchises and milk them for everything they can. And the thing that not many people have noticed is that the franchise is for a competitor’s place in a League, NOT for a team from a specific town or city. If the owners consider that there is some strategic advantage in moving the franchise to another city – They will. It’s been done several times in the USA and although the financial set-up was different, Wimbledon moved to become MK Dons.

Fan ownership is an attractive option, but how would that happen? And why? Some of us considered this when Hicks and Gillette were the owners. We couldn’t see how it could be done mostly because a lot of people would not be able to afford to buy a share.
Short of some sort of government sponsored compulsory purchase, how are the fans going to get control?
Wimbledon fans did it, reclaimed their club and got it climbing the pyramid. United of Manchester and AFC Liverpool are promising start-ups and probably the only way that fans could control their hometown club – but that will take decades….

13.) 26 Apr 2021 11:36:44
The world categorically said no to a super league through protests, governments and media outlets. Within 48 hours the computation was announced and retracted.

Surely the only feasible conclusion is that this (or anything like it) will not happen as a project.

Football as a whole may need to change and adapt but not like this. The answer will and should never be that the smaller clubs become even more obsolete tim they already are and richer clubs should get richer. That would be just be rubbish. A decision based on greed.
If it is to be shaken up it should be to keep as many clubs involved as possible. A bottom up approach. Because you know what. It means something to communities not 50 years ago. Now. It’s something that gives people an identity a focus. Something to bloody do!

14.) 26 Apr 2021 12:57:28
In my opinion the only reason the super league isn’t going through is because the clubs decided that the immediate consequences were worse than the potential gains they intended to make. Ed talks of a completely different culture to where we are today. He talks of a time when people hop around the continent watching their team week in week out this time is not aimed at us. The owners aren’t interested in the race to the bottom that the current set of fans demand. They will alienate and push and through the passage of time there will be less and less of the previous generation of fan until all that it left are the ones that can afford what they want to sell us. They will break away they will not care about being banned from the premier league they will create something that they want and they have learned the cards that uefa and fifa and the fa and the government hold. They know now that they will fight it and what means they will use to fight it. Once the clubs spoken about join the super league the people that stay will be the ones you can go and support if you want to see the lads with a pint of wallop the team name might be Merseyside reds or tranmere but that’s what will be left for you if you do not stick with what’s on offer from lfc. The owners will not care. The protests won’t matter. Being kicked out the premier league won’t matter. No traditional fans in the stadium won’t matter. It will be a different sport but the old one will be available to you in the form of whatever is left behind and picking a club from that.

15.) 26 Apr 2021 13:46:04
How can any of your post hold any weight when we have just seen a prime minister, managers and players, fans and pundits all reject it. You have clearly learned nothing from the past week. Club owners don’t get to decide the fate of football and there is no appetite for an elite European league. Why? Because most fans cannot afford the money or the time to go trudging around Europe on a weekly basis!
How are you still convinced football will go this way. The question is been emphatically answered with a resounding NO! Up the pint of wallop!

16.) 27 Apr 2021 00:45:25
The point is that there is more than enough money in football for everyone to have a space at the table. The fact that the few don't want to share with the many is a very old story that continues to this day.

Ed.002, everything you say has a good chance of coming true, I don't doubt it. The problem is, the way you present it is as if there is not enough to go around. Suggesting that there is no way way half of the clubs in the UK can survive. They could if we shared more. You are at times brutally honest about us fans, how about that same acerbic withering wit of yours being directed at this. They (those at the top table, boardrooms, Uefa, FIFA, Elite, etc. ) are in it for themselves. Not the development of football.

As I say, I don't doubt what you say. I appreciate the Information. I do think you are coming at this from a certain angle though. Thank you.

17.) 27 Apr 2021 08:27:55
Redman - your lack of vision is a little embarrassing here man. All that happened is that they learned. They've learned that they won't be allowed to partially break away so they need to be prepared with a full new league. They've learned that they need to get major broadcasters signed up before announcing to temper the barrage of criticism. They've learned that they need to have a more polished proposal locked down. Maybe that waiting until uefa piss everyone off first before announcing anything. They will do it again, and again and again if need be until eventually the backlash just isn't there.

18.) 27 Apr 2021 15:17:01
The ESL will come. It is only a matter of when not if. The maths say so. Currently LFC and others can expect about £250m to £300m for winning the EPL and the champions league for TV companies.
We have depending on who you ask somewhere between 100million and 600 million fans worldwide. Similar figures are estimated for Utd Barca, Real Madrid, and most of the other dirty dozen clubs. On that basis LFC v Man U could attract easily 500million tv fans worldwide. At £10 per viewer via pay per view this would bring in £5 billion pounds for one game. This is what will happen in the future and why none of the greedy owners will sell at the moment
I also believe quite frighteningly that if too much pressure is brought to hear to stop it, the owners will just move the club's to places which will accept it. LFC to Boston, Utd to Tampa Bay Arsenal to L. A. for example.

{Ed001's Note - they won't be moved any time soon, that is not going to happen.}

19.) 27 Apr 2021 21:27:03
Hjikle the only lack of vision or grasp of reality was that of Perez and the other snakes. They embarrassed themselves in front of a world audience.
I think what Perez and maybe you possibly Ed’s 02 fail to grasp is that football does in fact have a soul. it belongs to the fans.
Ed2 jokes (I hope ) about the good old days. They still exists in an evolved modern day form. This is the basis on which the game is built and makes money from. The working masses make up the money which is pumped into the game. The owners and broadcasters make the profits but without the blessing and participation of the fans their product has zero value.
If there is anything to learn it’s that a handful old white wealthy men don’t get decide what happens to the game.
Of course there will be variations and evolutions to competitions but not a cull anywhere near the magnitude of what has been proposed. I really hope the opposite happens and other models are looked at to keep as many clubs as possible competitive and secure.
It’s interesting that the German clubs wanted nothing to do with it.

20.) 28 Apr 2021 00:31:56
Redman football does not belong to the fans and it hasn’t for the last 30 years or more. This breakaway will happen as soon as they can get all of their ducks in a row.
There will be a backlash from the working class fans and others but do you know what? They won’t care because it’s those fans they are trying to get rid of.
They don’t want the types that have that pint of ‘wallop’ on the way to the match and a pie at half time. They want the types who can spend hundreds if not thousands on a hospitality ticket and spend fortunes in the club shop.
This isn’t new it’s been happening for years in front of our eyes! We all loved the redevelopment of Anfield but that was done to get more hospitality seating.
Like Ed says it’s big business now and you either move with the times or find another team to support.

{Ed0666's Note - there’s are plenty of working class that can afford the hospitality tickets that will boycott football once this breakaway league happens. I’m not ashamed to admit that lately every time I’ve been to Anfield to watch the game (pre-pandemic) I’ve watched from hospitality because let’s face it it’s a more enjoyable experience but that won’t stop me from walking away from football once the lunatics take over the asylum. And I’ve been a Liverpool fan going on 45 odd years. Have been home and away all over Europe to watch my team. The point I’m making is don’t be too sure football doesent lose major gravitas once the breakaway league transpires because there will be a lot of disillusioned fans who would walk away than see their beloved sport prosituted.

21.) 28 Apr 2021 17:20:13
You explained it better than I did Ed’s football will loose gravitas.
If the product is messed with to much it becomes less valuable. Your right Becker football doesn’t belong to the fans but we are it’s customers. It’s logical that customers need to be kept happy to keep buying.
The large majority of society and football fans are working and lower middle class who don’t have thousands to spend on football. Collectively we make football worth billions hence the reason fan power is stronger than many on here think.
Terms like “move with the times” or football needs to evolve” is just another way of saying make the owners and broadcasters more money. I don’t think we should have it! Football should evolve for the right reasons not those based on greed.



19 Oct 2020 12:13:28
ed2 - when a club loses a player for a number of months and potentially the season, do they have the option to kind of de-register them to free up a roster space?


{Ed002's Note - Unless they have space in their squad, he cannot be replaced until January - they cannot deregister him until January. There are no HG free agents available that would even come close to the likes of Williams and Phillips. It is an unfortunate injury, clubs have to deal with things like this all of the time.}

1.) 19 Oct 2020 12:51:22
If we can’t cope with a player being injured, leading player or not, then we have issues bigger than VVD.

2.) 19 Oct 2020 16:30:22
Glass half full is that Alisson is back in training and should be back soon, having a top class keeper behind Matip and Gomez will make a huge difference. As for Prickford, hopefully karma will even itself out on him.

3.) 19 Oct 2020 23:41:56
Ok so I think we need to be logical about VVDs injury. Last season we won the league by 18 points. Is his absence going to lose us that many points. Probably not. But he’s a massive loss and others have to step up to the plate. I hate to say it, but in united’s hay day that’s what their players did regularly. Klopp will find way.

4.) 20 Oct 2020 02:29:54
Thanks ed was just interested to know as they do have this provision in american sports.

5.) 20 Oct 2020 10:29:05
lakes4 - we didn't start the season with an 18 point head start.

6.) 20 Oct 2020 15:23:02
That's the whole idea behind a squad of 25, isn't it? And to build a squad of 25 (not just 11) that is as cohesive and similar in quality as possible, so that there's no let down when injuries happen. ManC did just fine without De Bruyne one season, and without Laporte the other. And Aguero is not fit half the time. Suck it up and move forward. Let the chips fall where they may.

7.) 21 Oct 2020 05:33:14
ArAy . but theh didn't do just give without Laporte, they lost 8 or 9 games and finishes 18 points adrift of us, . They needed to take fernandinho into the back and thus losing out in his midfield strenghts, I hope we don't suffer from Fabinho possibly being unavailable to play his best role every week.

8.) 21 Oct 2020 09:35:20
Agreed Har_red. But they came in second, and were still a potent force during the season. I suspect you're going to see a title winner with at least 8-9 loses this year. Compressed shorter season, no home-field advantage to speak of, players in and out due to catching c. v., and the usual injuries. I don't see how any team can play consistently in the face of such havoc and disruption.

9.) 23 Oct 2020 06:07:53
That is fairly true, I can't argue with the points you've made there.



14 Aug 2020 12:15:11
eds - echo quoted a club source who denied that the club had been in contact with bayern regards Thiago. part of the rationale they gave was that the club wouldn't want to pay a transfer fee for a player they could sign for free in a year. my question is, for any club wanting to sign Thiago this year, wouldn't they also negotiate an extension to his current contract? it seems like he wants to leave Bayern now, so if another club picked him sure they would be wanting to have him sign a multi year deal? otherwise what other club would pay a transfer fee for potentially a one year rental!?


{Ed002's Note - Thiago doesn't want to extend his contract. I don't get your point about a one year rental.}

1.) 14 Aug 2020 13:07:48
Once Thiago leaves Bayern he will no longer have a contract with Bayern. He’ll have a new contract at his new club, which I’m sure won’t be for a year. It will be negotiated when Bayern allow somebody to speak to him and it’ll likely be 3-4 years, allowing the buying club to get the remaining top years out of the player and the player to have the chance of extending or leaving for yet another club for one last hurrah, maybe the Middle East, Far East, America or Italy.

By that point he has little resale value, will have declined physically making him less suited to certain ways of playing, will have cost a lot of money in wages and transfer fees and potentially suffered from further injuries which are creeping into his career. Hence why somebody at Liverpool is rightly wary.

2.) 14 Aug 2020 19:39:13
Hi eds, can one of confirm if we are actually in for Thiago or not?

Thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - RTFP. I have explained over and over the situation.}

3.) 14 Aug 2020 21:08:07
Evening Ed002 - Are you by any chance asking Redman 1 to listen to the Ross Tucker Football Podcast?

Just a small theory I’m working on 😁.

{Ed002's Note - F on't know what that is so I guess not.}

4.) 14 Aug 2020 23:13:52
ed2 - the question is, if Bayern sell thiago this summer, would the purchasing club also be negotiating a new contract for him that extends beyond the year he has left on his current contract? I'm asking the question because the echo rationale for Liverpool not wanting to buy Thiago is because the club don't want to buy a player whose contract is going to end in a year. I didn't understand their rational as it wouldn't seem to make sense for any club to spend money on a transfer who is going to become a FA in a year. that's the one year rental bit. happens in NBA all the time.

{Ed002's Note - I truly think you are completely confused about transfers. I have no idea what the Echo has said but if Liverpool want the player next year they can legally approach him next January. The length of his contract is unrelated to any club that buys him. So if Liverpool were to buy him they would look for a three to four year deal and would need to pay Bayern Munich an agreed fee.}

5.) 15 Aug 2020 00:24:46
Faithibworks you are after getting confused by what you read.

Whenever somebody transfers to a new club they sign a new contract with that club. What the echo mean is that Liverpool don't see value in spending €30m on a 29 year who could be a free agent in 10/ 11 months if he didn't leave Bayern this summer.

In reality, it seems more likely that Thiago will leave Bayern this summer so then he wouldn't be a free agent in 10/ 11 months. It's a case of which club will pay Bayern about €30m and Thiago to agree a contract with them. or maybe us, we'll have to wait and see.

6.) 15 Aug 2020 06:41:08
right, that's all I was after. Didn't need the carry on. Sean Ireland - I think you are right, I misinterpreted that bit about him being free in a year's time. I understood that for all transfers, the player would sign a new contract, hence the confusion in what I thought I'd read in the echo. Having said that, if Thiago says he wants to leave Bayern for anywhere now, then that would be the rationale to spend money on him this year because he won't be free in 12 months time by virtue of being at another club!

7.) 15 Aug 2020 09:23:11
Exactly ya 👍.

8.) 15 Aug 2020 09:35:14
Exactly ya 👍.

9.) 16 Aug 2020 03:16:19
We paid a higher fee to sign AOC when he was into his last year. We got nearly 12 mil for 31 yr old lovren with him available for free next year. 25mil would be good business to get thiago this year, why wait another year and lose out on a season where he could be a key player, this isn't huge money to be saying it can't be a wise investment.



12 Apr 2020 22:38:56
Ed2 - interested if you can share any info about how COVID-19 and its effect on the economy has altered how transfer negotiations are held? For instance, I just read a headline regarding Kane and Spurs holding out for 200mil. I'm not interested in that rumour but in how a normal discussion about transfer fees might be happening now? Can they even discuss figures right now!?


{Ed002's Note - Transfers this summer will split into (a) those already agreed and completed subject to paperwork (e.g. Hakim Ziyech (Ajax to Chelsea), Nicolo Barella (Cagliari to Inter Milan), Alvaro Morata (Chelsea to Atletico Madrid) and Trincao (Braga to Barcelona)); (b) the transfers several cash rich clubs would like to get over the line if possible (e.g. Mbappe, Sanco, Martinez, Pogba, Havertz etc.) although people will try and negotiate reductions in the cost of overall packages (e.g. Sancho); (c) there are the then the higher-profile clubs that will need to horse trade by looking to spread out payments if they can, include players in sales or have the sell to buy (e.g. Inter Milan, Atletico Madrid and Barcelona are good examples; (d) the more run of the mill transfers where players are recruited to gain improvements in the sides, replace retiring and out of contract players etc..

You will certainly see less movement and less spend in the lower tiers as the money won't be there. Many will look to sell a player or two to the higher leagues to keep themselves out of trouble (e.g. Brad Young (G) has a move from Billingham Town to a Premier League side agreed already). And many PL and Championship sides are once again looking at players from the lower tiers.

In terms of transfer fees, we will still see a few very expensive transfers, you will see players having to stay where they are for another year, you will see efforts to reduce overall costs particularly agent fees - and across mainland Europe you will see even more horse trading than normal.}



24 Dec 2018 22:09:31
Merry NZ Christmas! Enjoy a christmas on top of the table in behalf of us downunder and enjoy youraelf another Christmad on top your time!

Let's continue to push the lads on!


1.) 26 Dec 2018 05:45:24
Merry xmas from Cornwallis, West Auckland New Zealand.

2.) 26 Dec 2018 08:11:43
And a Merry Christmas from the Central Coast, NSW, Australia and all the best for 2019.




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20 May 2021 12:37:26
Good convo about Nat. Pumped for him and that he has taken this chance. Wish he was given the chance sooner. For me, when we entered into this CB crisis, it would have made the most sense to put him in straight away - early-mid 20s, had a few loan spells and experience in first team football at a good age and stage in his career to step in and face the challenge. Skill wise he has been pleasantly surprising to me and he certainly hasn't shied away from the spotlight.

Regards next season, ultimately whether he stays or goes depends on him. If he wants to stay and be a 4th or 5th choice then good on him. I wouldn't force him to stay if he wanted to go for regular football tho. And I feel like we are a club that find a balance in getting the best situation for our players versus keeping them too long to pad the squad.

So in saying that, I am going to assume that Nat will eventually want to play regularly and we will find a suitable buyer and club for him to go to as he approaches his prime years.

Good on ya Nat.


1.) 20 May 2021 13:03:12
I think even as a 4th choice next season he will still get plenty of game time. VVD and Gomez won’t be risked every game after their injuries, at least not at first. Konate will need to get to grips with our game (presuming he signs) so might not start every game.
So he will at least be the starter in the cup games and a handful of prem games I think. Having a good and reliable CB in reserve might get us a bit further in the cups than we usually do as well.

2.) 20 May 2021 13:12:58
He seems like a great lad and he’s giving it his all so I do hate criticising him but he’s simply not good enough. Last season we were largely thought of as the best club side in the world and we want to get back to that level.

Any team with Phillips as a centre back has no chance of getting to that level. Has anyone actually watched the games? Yes he’s made some clearances and blocks which is what he’s good at but if he were a better defender he wouldn’t have needed to.
I can 100% see why Klopp was reluctant to play him and especially once Thiago came into the midfield I can see why Klopp thought it was better to play Fabs at the back and even Hendo too.

As it happens Klopp was wrong and persevered with it way too long and it cost us but there is a very good reason why he’d tried everyone but Phillips before admitting he just had to play him. Because Phillips is not suited to our style of play at all.
Last night I thought he’d handle Wood easily. Big strong target man with no pace is just what a ‘no nonsense’ defender wants right? Wrong. He got in behind him time and time again with just one diagonal long ball. Even the straight balls caused him nightmares he looked scared of the ball! Williams too, is was comical defending at times!

Love Nat’s attitude but if he’s lining up in our back 4 at any point next season we are in big trouble.

3.) 20 May 2021 14:42:31
I agree Becker, good luck to the lad but he has no future here.

4.) 20 May 2021 14:50:18
I have seen the players reaction towards him, gives me the impression he’s very well liked within the squad. Playing style reminds me of Tony Adams.

5.) 20 May 2021 15:24:09
I’ve seen him compared to Tony Adams and John Terry but he is not even on the same planet as those two. He’s a poor man’s Martin Skrtel.
Remember the 3rd goal scored by Dwight Gale for Palace in the infamous 3-3 game of 2014?
Skrtel coming out to challenge for a ball he’s never getting to leaving a gaping hole for the flick in behind to Gale who scores.
That’s Nat Phillips. It happens to him at least 3 times a game we’ve just been fortunate the opposition have made the most of it yet.

6.) 20 May 2021 13:51:09
Nat I young enough to develop a hood reading of the game. He won't get quicker but some of the best defenders didn't have lightning speed. The lad plays for the badge and that needs to be cherished. His form this season has shown he deserves to be part of the squad next season. definitely a solid choice compared to matip who is too flaky.

7.) 20 May 2021 17:38:52
OP, it might not be his choice cos he may have to be sold to raise funds for reinforcements elsewhere.

8.) 21 May 2021 12:43:07
I think you're bein overly harsh Beckers. Are you saying that if we have him as 4th or 5th choice, then we have no chance next season? that would seem an odd position to take given how we have managed to string results together once we got the team sorted. Maybe next season other players get injured and he plays alongside VVD? he hasn't exactly had rolls rocye next to him has he.

The diagonal balls aren't only for the CBs to deal with and I think you allow the couple times the defensive line was beaten to cloud the times nat and Rhys deal with those long balls. it's a common human error to make when you are only looking for mistakes in a player.



02 May 2021 00:36:11
For jell or high water, throw in the kids at CB and let Fabs and Gini protect them from the midfield!


{Ed0666's Note - I’d second that

1.) 02 May 2021 07:24:04
Fab and thiago. No gini for me. He has been my fav player but he has been in conservation mode this season

Play back 3 get kabak davies williams and trent and robbo two attacking fullback. Fab and thiago pulling strings with bobby in a free role and salah and jota uptop.

2.) 02 May 2021 08:38:13
We would get hammered Akira. To protect that back 3 you would need Fabs, kante, and Hendo. It still wouldn’t be enough.

3.) 02 May 2021 12:24:38
lol thiago isn't protecting sh*t

Fab and gini base, free up Thiago's defensive responsibilities and let the front 3 go at it. I suppose if we go full tilt to have a go then perhaps we do play Fabs and Thiago together and then give the front 4 another go together. They actually played well vs newcastle I thought, just didn't put the chances away.

4.) 02 May 2021 15:08:17
What the jell?



29 Apr 2021 14:20:31
random thought - is anyone else a little bit guttered that the 5times celebration has been put to rest after we won number 6?

hard to imagine a 6times celebration unless it's some of two handed gang sign with 3 fingers on each hand, to make six. or some kind of 2-handed combo to make a bird using 3 fingers each side as wings?

life was simpler before we beat Spurs for #6 alas.


1.) 29 Apr 2021 14:30:56
The celebration is five fingers of one hand and the middle finger on the other.

2.) 29 Apr 2021 16:03:33
Imagine how Real Madrid players feel. They've got no chance unless they're from Norwich.

3.) 29 Apr 2021 17:46:05
Bit harsh on people from East Angular there, Adam.

4.) 29 Apr 2021 20:03:56
Only something Adams mrs would appreciate.

5.) 29 Apr 2021 22:10:41
I'm sorry Zed 😂 if it's any consolation i actually love Norfolk. Can't beat a holiday cruising the Broads on a hire boat, stopping off every couple of hours for a pint of cold Aspall's cider!

6.) 30 Apr 2021 08:23:47
Was this not the main reason Madrid and our owners wanted to breakaway? Start again with the celebrations?



22 Apr 2021 02:01:01
Ed2 and ed1 - just a thank you to you both for your measured responses, especially to me. I know you guys will have been flooded with loads of comments but you both took the time to respond to my questions quote respectfully I thought. I'd understand if some of your responses back to me were short but you weren't. Appreciate you guys and you have all my respect
(Dont need to post, just for you two :) )


{Ed0666's Note - well I posted it anyway 🥰

1.) 22 Apr 2021 02:55:45
A lot of bromance going on this site, I feel left out.

{Ed0666's Note - Where an inclusive bunch here crazy horse. Wanna hug mate?

2.) 22 Apr 2021 03:51:39
that's a bit sexist, ed2 and ed1 could be woman.
:p :)

{Ed001's Note - Ed666 could defo be either. I am still not sure.}

3.) 22 Apr 2021 09:22:05
In the old days, there used to be genuine curiosity and mystery (for me and many others) as to if Ed002 was a woman.

4.) 22 Apr 2021 09:41:07
in the interests of 2021, shall we draw a line under all this and embrace the person/ object/ rodeo-clown-mance going on in here :)

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20 Apr 2021 22:48:58
I'd get up and watch us play in the Nations League. I have limited time on this earth so will watch as long as I can. Obviously hope we don't.

Ed2 -if the esl went ahead and the FA couldn't ban the teams and players from the PL, why can't they just continue to have 2 european competitions and they essentially compete for sponsors / TV deals etc.


{Ed002's Note - Because the clubs would be leaving the PL to become unaffiliated sides.}

1.) 20 Apr 2021 23:56:30
So to be black and white, these clubs HAVE to leave their FA in order to set-up and play in the super league?
Is this the bit that was misleading to the other clubs?

Cos I thought it was just about leaving UEFA but assumed they could still play in their home leagues, assuming they don't get banned.

{Ed002's Note - Forget the misleading part. If clubs form their own league or competition they give up their affiliation to FIFA and, in Europe, UEFA, so therefore cannot play in any affiliated competitions.}

2.) 21 Apr 2021 03:57:15
Right that makes perfect sense to me ed. I mean it'd be illogical for any of these teams to play in ESL and CL. Assume giving up affiliation to FIFA and FIFA doesn't mean giving up affiliation to FA?

{Ed002's Note - The affiliation to FIFA and UEFA is through The FA and Premier League.}




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01 Aug 2021 02:38:18
we have heaps of midfielders. We can't just keep adding to that group to cover every injury possibility.




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27 Jul 2021 23:04:50
budget of a mid-table team paying some of the highest squad wages in the league. give me a sec to try and unpack that one . . .




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27 Jul 2021 23:03:46
I dunno Mane - I'm saying he's a kid and there are only a few who make it. I don't hold any ill will to him, he was clearly getting bad advice and like I've said, he was a kid at the time, heck he's still a kid!




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27 Jul 2021 22:20:20
love it when people take conjecture, and then turn that into fact to form an opinion. Would love to know if he did or didn't heed any advice from stevie, or whether stevie even said anything. Maybe he didn't.

I don't blame a kid tbh, just feel empathy for their situation. For every Trent there are dozens, maybe hundreds of Bobby's who are following bad advice and not applying themselves. He was a kid after-all and given his agent at the time was suspended for being a dodgy rat, it really says it all about the team that was around Bobby. Perhaps we can layer more conjecture on top and say that Stevie didn't do enough to help his cousin out?




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27 Jul 2021 15:07:32
mark - the point is that we have signed these players. that they have become injrued, or were injured on arrival, or injury-prone, we made the decision to sign the players and now we have to deal with that. just adding players to the squad in case of injury isn't a solution.





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03 Aug 2021 16:15:38
In PL, it's hard to go past Suarez for this team.




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01 Aug 2021 02:46:21
what's miraculous about Klopp, who was one the best player-developing managers in world football, setting up the club that turned VVD, Alliosn, Salah, Mane, Bobby, Fab, TAA, Robbo etc etc etc into a world class squad?

Surely we should be assessed on outcome under the context right? Why criticize the net spend, when we have one multiple trophies that way whilst the lads and management have done their jobs? we have a stacked squad as it is, so you're stress about not buying is misplaced because we cna't even add the quality players you're probably thinking of anyways until we make space in the squad through sales.




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01 Aug 2021 02:43:06
life doesn't have to be all black and white Jay. / It's not support him unequivocally or hate on him like he is a piece of meat.

I'll support the dude and also hope that he has some luck with injuries. I prefer to see the talent and potential in a player rather than find every reason to hate and doubt on them. it's also just in general a good way to approach life. far less stress.


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31 Jul 2021 12:23:34
yea Jay, except none of us were dedicated (or lucky) enough to put the work in to get to a point we could enjoy the game and get paid 100k/ week.

I'm on the Kieta train, but I tend to support the players who get the most stick from fans. looks like it'll be Keita, so I am on board! He will be a cult hero this year.




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31 Jul 2021 12:20:54
pace, direct, can shoot and put a cross in.

has some good tools that can be shaped into a fantastic player, especially if he is dedicated.