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04 Feb 2022 19:52:25
Ed2 - Klopp's most recent presser he was asked about Fabio Carvalho and whether we'd go back for him. Part of Klopp's response was that obviously we are still interested, we'd be crazy not to. Just a couplee questions to understand - Are klopp's comments breaking some kind of tampering rule? And if so, what is about that comment that is considered a bad thing enough to have a rule against


I like that he talked relatively freely but just wondered what the implications are. Ta.

Faithinworks

{Ed002's Note - No, not at all. Whether or not Liverpool will look to low ball Fulham on a pre-agreement of some type would be the concern as Liverpool cannot speak directly with the player - whilst other clubs can speak to him and can sign a binding pre-agreement with the player.}


1.) 04 Feb 2022 22:16:04
Ed002 I don’t know why we don’t just offer the fee we did on Monday Fulham accepted it then I don’t think they would turn it down because he could leave for a lot less abroad. Or do you feel Liverpool feel they don’t need to offer as much now they did have talks with him Monday did they not maybe with it going down to the wire on Monday he has said he still wants to come in the summer.

{Ed002's Note - That is not how Liverpool traditionally do business.}


2.) 05 Feb 2022 07:25:44
ed in theory, can Liverpool and fulham have a pre-agreement but then Fabio agree with a club abroad?

{Ed001's Note - yes.}


3.) 05 Feb 2022 00:45:55
Ed002 regarding this Liverpool can speak to the players agent and make an agreement with them that the agent can agree with the player am I right? So is it not basically the same thing mate? Watched a thing between carra and nev and nev was told to speak with stevie at international duties so realistically if this all happens what is wrong with any other way of doing it?

{Ed002's Note - If it is the same thing then it is of course illegal and tapping up (yet again).}


4.) 05 Feb 2022 13:26:13
Pretty obvious he'll be signing on in the summer! don't be minding all the media clickbait about him and dis and dat club. Lfc are building a really exciting team of the future.


5.) 05 Feb 2022 13:33:18
Don't know what's hard to understand for some LFC fans and keep on repeating same stuff.

It's nothing to do with Fulham now, it's all in Fabio's hand if he wants to come here then he will be here it's simple as that. Signing pre contract with other clubs again it's nothing to do with Fulham it's all in Fabio's hand where he wants to go. LFC can't talk to him directly but can talk to he's agent as much as they want including the financial terms etc.


6.) 05 Feb 2022 16:14:50
carvalho will sign for dortmund.

{Ed077's Note - is that a prediction or a spoiler😁


7.) 05 Feb 2022 18:31:20
Given that he knows Liverpool want him and has previously agreed terms, for him to completely change plans and go to another side would be strange. If he did, it would be for money or may he game time but everything you read about Fabio suggests he isn't that type of person.


8.) 06 Feb 2022 03:01:00
Thanks for that edkopforever. Your knowledge is really helpful.


9.) 06 Feb 2022 10:52:42
Nice one kop. Very well explained brother.


10.) 06 Feb 2022 18:14:34
Every player will be 'tapped' up in this case. I bet most players, even in jest will say 'oh come and join us'.
I expect the clubs would not expect to ask players to do so as then yes that becomes an illegal approach. But I guess most players will know from rumours, media what players are linked.


11.) 08 Feb 2022 00:52:36
Tapping up is not illegal. Can you imagine the cells at Strangeways full of old football managers in orange tracksuits? ‘What you in for Harry? ’ ‘I spoke to Peter Odemwingie on WhatsApp and offered him 2 steak bakes and a vegan sausage roll if he signed for us. When he turned up Greggs was shut so I hid under my desk until the police arrived and arrested me for the most heinous of crimes. Tapping up’.


 

 

25 Apr 2021 00:39:50
Hi Ed2 - are you able to explain what Perez means by the ESL saving football. Was there a strategy plan for the ESL to support clubs outside the 12?

Faithinworks

{Ed002's Note - What he means, as I have explained repeatedly over many years, is that football needs to decide what sort of restructuring is required. Putting aside any "breakaway" or counter proposal, my fears have always been the vast number of professional clubs there are in England well below the Premier League. I hold a reasonably strong view in terms of the need to restructure football in Europe in any case. Previously I have said that the eventual "breakaway pan-European league" would force the restructuring of many of the national leagues, possibly resulting in a British league with perhaps only a couple of professional tiers and then regionalised amateur leagues below that. Now we have a situation that will change the financial paradigm and may make clubs and authorities look at the situation with lower tier sides regardless.

Financially I do not see that so many professional sides can be sustained within the sport which, like it or not, will see more and more money going in to the highest levels of the game. Governments will ensure that grassroots sport get funding but everything in the middle (Southern, Northern, Conference, Division 2, Scottish Divisions 1-3, League of Wales will not get the funding needed to continue on any sort of professional basis. For me, clubs should already recognise this and put their efforts in to getting their finances in order to see if they can make it to a British professional league that will need to flourish without perhaps six sides that have eventually gone down the pan-European route - and have gone for good (it would be two or perhaps three initially) or even separation from the Premier League and Championship.

Clubs like Accrington Stanley will need to carry on as amateurs or face extinction (yet again) like Bury. Recently Hartlepool has been struggling - again it needs to adapt. The mighty Third Lanark have started their long journey back to the top - it can be done. These are all proud clubs with a history.

The game has changed significantly and will continue to do so whether the supporters of certain clubs like it or not. Football at the highest level is big business and attracts the sponsorship it does because the sponsors wish to tap in to the disposable income of the fans and ride the back of the advertising that flows naturally from the success some clubs achieve. Long gone are the days of the cloth-capped, hobnailed-booted, chimney sweep making his way, rattle in hand, to cheer on his team at Anfield on a Saturday afternoon. I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 8 to 10 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA. You will have the opportunity to see the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus and the other major European sides play in week-on-week regular competition at The Emirates, St James Park, Stamford Bridge or wherever. Fans of the sides who take the plunge will have the opportunity to visit cities such as Milan, Barcelona, Munich, etc. every couple of weeks to watch their team play. If you want to don your cloth cap, have a pint of wallop with your chums before going off to the local match through the grim, wet and cobbled streets of the Northwest of England where there is smog, dead & dying pit ponies laying on the street and only chips and fried curry to eat., perhaps one of the sides from the suburbs will have survived so the Liverpool and Everton supporters can go and watch them?

This will be a case of getting with the game. I will try to refer to this as the "Post Apocalyptic Zombie Scenario" from now on.}


1.) 25 Apr 2021 09:05:23
Pint of wallop absolutely love that Ed you’d want to trade mark that it’s brilliant my friend!
1/ pint of wallop
2/ RTFP.


2.) 25 Apr 2021 09:28:27
Classic ed002 response so clinical and fascinating to read yet with a hint of comedy to make us chuckle
Up the pool.


3.) 25 Apr 2021 09:48:22
If there is little to no support for such restructuring from fans then can is realistically move forward and be a success? In the UK were already in another economic slide due to C.V. and being compounded further by Brexit, I don’t think the sort of money required to follow ones team with the structure you’re suggesting is there for most. Now if it was 90% sponsors/ affiliates/ etc attending I could well imagine that but it is an incredibly dystopian, ugly face of what football could be. I understand it is a business now but there are still huge swathes of fans who are very attached to their clubs, not to mention political considerations which may come into play (like involvement of national governments) if the uproar is significant enough. I would be surprised if such proposals and restructuring went ahead as, though there are wealthy individuals in favor of such things, there is little of any support from fans - I’m not sure I’ve heard much from anyone in favor, the closest I’ve heard is ‘we should join so we don’t get left behind’ but even those sentiments are rare.

I know your understanding of the game, and the ins and outs behind closed doors, are far superior to mine, but in this instance Ed I truly hope your predictions/ expectations are wrong.

All the best Ed, also thanks for the time and effort you spend giving us your knowledge, there has been a lot of talk and discussion recently and your insights are greatly appreciated.

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with COVID-19 nor BREXIT. These proposals have been around since long before both. Whether the fans like it or not, more clubs will go out of business like Bury if nothing is done.}


4.) 25 Apr 2021 09:51:10
I know you are correct Ed and football must change. But what trophies will the elite sides play for? IMO after a couple of years of watching the same sides play each other the atmosphere will die. I might move more and more corporate but it will become totally boring.

{Ed002's Note - The "elite" group of clubs includes 21 sides so it won't be the same sides every week.}


5.) 25 Apr 2021 10:51:32
I’m inclined to agree with you Ed002 on this, I can see the benefits and disadvantages on both sides .
I don’t necessarily want it to happen but I’d rather Liverpool were in than out if it does.


6.) 25 Apr 2021 11:59:57
I don’t doubt a word of what ed2 says but it is heartbreaking to read. It seems as though the game has to be restructured because of the greed at the very top of the pyramid and I include UEFA and FIFA in that. Perez alluded to the fact that the big clubs are struggling financially but what I don’t understand is why they won’t just face the exact same fate in say another 20years, as surely all that will happen by generating more money is the players, agents, hangers on etc will all just demand more again and the same problems exists just with higher sums involved. That doesn’t seem to answer to the problem to me, just kicking the problem down the line to the detriment of the sport its self?

{Ed002's Note - Football has to naturally evolve, as it did with the Premier Leagues and Champions League.}


7.) 25 Apr 2021 13:29:39
And who exactly can afford milan on a Wednesday with Barcelona away on Saturday week in week out. It won't be long until it only home fans ie NFL.

{Ed002's Note - I suspect you don't understand the plan.}


8.) 25 Apr 2021 14:52:39
Thanks ed, regards your comment -

"I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 8 to 10 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA"

You've also. mentioned that the key difference between ESL and the elite 22 clubs is that ESL hasn't worked with UEFA. Can I assume then that if UEFA are at the table with the elite clubs, that they have a sense of inevitability that their time will be coming to an over the next decade? I just wonder what the purpose. of these clubs negotiating ei UEFA is if the end game is breaking them up.

{Ed002's Note - I think that is a reasonably fair description. UEFA coming to the table is with the obejective of being in control, or at the very least maintaining their position as the controlling body. But changes need to be made and this recent attempt falls far short of expectations and has dome more harm than good.}


9.) 25 Apr 2021 14:54:09
Also ed2, reminded myself to tell you this - I posted your detailed post about ESL to a fan page in NZ. One member replied back saying he went to Anfield regularly 40 years ago and never went cloth-capped. Lol I don't know what this means but thought I'd pass it on :p.

{Ed002's Note - It means he probably has loads of illegitimate if he failed to take protection.}


10.) 25 Apr 2021 16:51:47
I’ll be honest Ed. I’ve got no time for a pint of lukewarm wallop or whatever vile brown booze the campaign for real ale prefer for that matter, boring bearded trainspotters that they are. So I’m all for weekend trips to Bavaria, Turin, Milan, Budapest, Bruges, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Prague, Paris, Lyon, Milan, Rome, Madrid, etc when it eventually happens. Just needs to be done better than this last laughable effort.


11.) 25 Apr 2021 20:43:47
Newsflash! Fans will not put up with what Ed002 is talking about. We have just witnessed that. So let’s put that to bed.
I’m sure Eds 02 information is correct however that doesn’t mean it will happen. How can it? If there is some sort of European elite/ super / pan / bull league then fans will be marginalised or grouped into the few that can afford and the few that cannot.

Thanks for your very elitist view of the working class game Ed’s but your comments are out of of touch. The working class has evolved and just because we don’t wear cloth caps and drink a pint of wallop doesn’t mean that we don’t work for the week then walk to the game and have a pint on the way. This happens all over the country at every club week in week out.
The event this week prove your view of the fans the game are way off the mark.
Despite the best efforts of money and greed football remains the people game. Without the people there is no product no game.
So thank you sir but I think you need to re examine your theory.

{Ed002's Note - So what has happened to disprove what I have said?}


12.) 26 Apr 2021 04:08:55
I started going to matches in around 1959. The European Super League has been kicking around the boardroom since the mid-1960s.

In the time I’ve been a fan, society has changed enormously. If you look at what has happened with other social organisations, such as social clubs and hobby clubs and churches they’ve had to adapt or go bust. All organisations have followed similar paths. We no longer tolerate sleepy little organisations that scrape by on charity or luck – everything is properly commercialised. The pattern repeats all over society… to simplify it, if a club needs 100 active members to be viable, two clubs with 80 members will be forced to merge – but the new organisation won’t have 160 members because a significant number won’t follow the new organisation. In essence the choices diminish at the same time as tickets/ membership gets dearer.
The football business model is entirely different, but the outcomes are similar.
When we were forced to go all seater, the days of wandering up every other Saturday and paying three bob to see a match (15p for you youngsters) went for ever. Instead of a damp step, there was a plastic seat and instead of pence it became pounds to use that same space. Last time I went to a game it cost best part of £30 to sit where the boys pen used to be and I used to pay 9d (4.5p) to watch from there.
The football team I went as a lad to see and support became a real force – then it became a brand – then became an International big deal brand; And although my support is unquestionable and always will be – it’s hard to find much “Liverpool” about Liverpool FC
Instead of local Dad and Lads being the main fan base, it’s now the clubs international fan base that the clubs serve. The population churn under Mrs T resulted in people going where the jobs were. So now there are more of us supporters that live outside the city than are in the city.

The international fan base for teams like Liverpool and Man Utd dwarfs the UK based fan numbers and ultimately are more important financially to the clubs.
I’m priced out. I can’t afford to go to games now, but there are so many people to take my place. People who can afford to buy the expensive corporate hospitality deals, Fans have moaned about the day-trippers to Anfield and Old Trafford for decades, but that is a huge income stream – and the “Anfield Experience” fan is probably the future.
If anyone thinks that the movers and shakers of football MUST take notice of fans wishes, you are sadly mistaken. This year’s Training Ground Premiership shows that they can to a bigger degree than you’d think get by without the diehard match going fans.
Football is a business; the Americans consider them franchises and milk them for everything they can. And the thing that not many people have noticed is that the franchise is for a competitor’s place in a League, NOT for a team from a specific town or city. If the owners consider that there is some strategic advantage in moving the franchise to another city – They will. It’s been done several times in the USA and although the financial set-up was different, Wimbledon moved to become MK Dons.

Fan ownership is an attractive option, but how would that happen? And why? Some of us considered this when Hicks and Gillette were the owners. We couldn’t see how it could be done mostly because a lot of people would not be able to afford to buy a share.
Short of some sort of government sponsored compulsory purchase, how are the fans going to get control?
Wimbledon fans did it, reclaimed their club and got it climbing the pyramid. United of Manchester and AFC Liverpool are promising start-ups and probably the only way that fans could control their hometown club – but that will take decades….


13.) 26 Apr 2021 11:36:44
The world categorically said no to a super league through protests, governments and media outlets. Within 48 hours the computation was announced and retracted.

Surely the only feasible conclusion is that this (or anything like it) will not happen as a project.

Football as a whole may need to change and adapt but not like this. The answer will and should never be that the smaller clubs become even more obsolete tim they already are and richer clubs should get richer. That would be just be rubbish. A decision based on greed.
If it is to be shaken up it should be to keep as many clubs involved as possible. A bottom up approach. Because you know what. It means something to communities not 50 years ago. Now. It’s something that gives people an identity a focus. Something to bloody do!


14.) 26 Apr 2021 12:57:28
In my opinion the only reason the super league isn’t going through is because the clubs decided that the immediate consequences were worse than the potential gains they intended to make. Ed talks of a completely different culture to where we are today. He talks of a time when people hop around the continent watching their team week in week out this time is not aimed at us. The owners aren’t interested in the race to the bottom that the current set of fans demand. They will alienate and push and through the passage of time there will be less and less of the previous generation of fan until all that it left are the ones that can afford what they want to sell us. They will break away they will not care about being banned from the premier league they will create something that they want and they have learned the cards that uefa and fifa and the fa and the government hold. They know now that they will fight it and what means they will use to fight it. Once the clubs spoken about join the super league the people that stay will be the ones you can go and support if you want to see the lads with a pint of wallop the team name might be Merseyside reds or tranmere but that’s what will be left for you if you do not stick with what’s on offer from lfc. The owners will not care. The protests won’t matter. Being kicked out the premier league won’t matter. No traditional fans in the stadium won’t matter. It will be a different sport but the old one will be available to you in the form of whatever is left behind and picking a club from that.


15.) 26 Apr 2021 13:46:04
How can any of your post hold any weight when we have just seen a prime minister, managers and players, fans and pundits all reject it. You have clearly learned nothing from the past week. Club owners don’t get to decide the fate of football and there is no appetite for an elite European league. Why? Because most fans cannot afford the money or the time to go trudging around Europe on a weekly basis!
How are you still convinced football will go this way. The question is been emphatically answered with a resounding NO! Up the pint of wallop!


16.) 27 Apr 2021 00:45:25
The point is that there is more than enough money in football for everyone to have a space at the table. The fact that the few don't want to share with the many is a very old story that continues to this day.

Ed.002, everything you say has a good chance of coming true, I don't doubt it. The problem is, the way you present it is as if there is not enough to go around. Suggesting that there is no way way half of the clubs in the UK can survive. They could if we shared more. You are at times brutally honest about us fans, how about that same acerbic withering wit of yours being directed at this. They (those at the top table, boardrooms, Uefa, FIFA, Elite, etc. ) are in it for themselves. Not the development of football.

As I say, I don't doubt what you say. I appreciate the Information. I do think you are coming at this from a certain angle though. Thank you.


17.) 27 Apr 2021 08:27:55
Redman - your lack of vision is a little embarrassing here man. All that happened is that they learned. They've learned that they won't be allowed to partially break away so they need to be prepared with a full new league. They've learned that they need to get major broadcasters signed up before announcing to temper the barrage of criticism. They've learned that they need to have a more polished proposal locked down. Maybe that waiting until uefa piss everyone off first before announcing anything. They will do it again, and again and again if need be until eventually the backlash just isn't there.


18.) 27 Apr 2021 15:17:01
The ESL will come. It is only a matter of when not if. The maths say so. Currently LFC and others can expect about £250m to £300m for winning the EPL and the champions league for TV companies.
We have depending on who you ask somewhere between 100million and 600 million fans worldwide. Similar figures are estimated for Utd Barca, Real Madrid, and most of the other dirty dozen clubs. On that basis LFC v Man U could attract easily 500million tv fans worldwide. At £10 per viewer via pay per view this would bring in £5 billion pounds for one game. This is what will happen in the future and why none of the greedy owners will sell at the moment
I also believe quite frighteningly that if too much pressure is brought to hear to stop it, the owners will just move the club's to places which will accept it. LFC to Boston, Utd to Tampa Bay Arsenal to L. A. for example.

{Ed001's Note - they won't be moved any time soon, that is not going to happen.}


19.) 27 Apr 2021 21:27:03
Hjikle the only lack of vision or grasp of reality was that of Perez and the other snakes. They embarrassed themselves in front of a world audience.
I think what Perez and maybe you possibly Ed’s 02 fail to grasp is that football does in fact have a soul. it belongs to the fans.
Ed2 jokes (I hope ) about the good old days. They still exists in an evolved modern day form. This is the basis on which the game is built and makes money from. The working masses make up the money which is pumped into the game. The owners and broadcasters make the profits but without the blessing and participation of the fans their product has zero value.
If there is anything to learn it’s that a handful old white wealthy men don’t get decide what happens to the game.
Of course there will be variations and evolutions to competitions but not a cull anywhere near the magnitude of what has been proposed. I really hope the opposite happens and other models are looked at to keep as many clubs as possible competitive and secure.
It’s interesting that the German clubs wanted nothing to do with it.


20.) 28 Apr 2021 00:31:56
Redman football does not belong to the fans and it hasn’t for the last 30 years or more. This breakaway will happen as soon as they can get all of their ducks in a row.
There will be a backlash from the working class fans and others but do you know what? They won’t care because it’s those fans they are trying to get rid of.
They don’t want the types that have that pint of ‘wallop’ on the way to the match and a pie at half time. They want the types who can spend hundreds if not thousands on a hospitality ticket and spend fortunes in the club shop.
This isn’t new it’s been happening for years in front of our eyes! We all loved the redevelopment of Anfield but that was done to get more hospitality seating.
Like Ed says it’s big business now and you either move with the times or find another team to support.

{Ed0666's Note - there’s are plenty of working class that can afford the hospitality tickets that will boycott football once this breakaway league happens. I’m not ashamed to admit that lately every time I’ve been to Anfield to watch the game (pre-pandemic) I’ve watched from hospitality because let’s face it it’s a more enjoyable experience but that won’t stop me from walking away from football once the lunatics take over the asylum. And I’ve been a Liverpool fan going on 45 odd years. Have been home and away all over Europe to watch my team. The point I’m making is don’t be too sure football doesent lose major gravitas once the breakaway league transpires because there will be a lot of disillusioned fans who would walk away than see their beloved sport prosituted.


21.) 28 Apr 2021 17:20:13
You explained it better than I did Ed’s football will loose gravitas.
If the product is messed with to much it becomes less valuable. Your right Becker football doesn’t belong to the fans but we are it’s customers. It’s logical that customers need to be kept happy to keep buying.
The large majority of society and football fans are working and lower middle class who don’t have thousands to spend on football. Collectively we make football worth billions hence the reason fan power is stronger than many on here think.
Terms like “move with the times” or football needs to evolve” is just another way of saying make the owners and broadcasters more money. I don’t think we should have it! Football should evolve for the right reasons not those based on greed.


 

 

19 Oct 2020 12:13:28
ed2 - when a club loses a player for a number of months and potentially the season, do they have the option to kind of de-register them to free up a roster space?

Faithinworks

{Ed002's Note - Unless they have space in their squad, he cannot be replaced until January - they cannot deregister him until January. There are no HG free agents available that would even come close to the likes of Williams and Phillips. It is an unfortunate injury, clubs have to deal with things like this all of the time.}


1.) 19 Oct 2020 12:51:22
If we can’t cope with a player being injured, leading player or not, then we have issues bigger than VVD.


2.) 19 Oct 2020 16:30:22
Glass half full is that Alisson is back in training and should be back soon, having a top class keeper behind Matip and Gomez will make a huge difference. As for Prickford, hopefully karma will even itself out on him.


3.) 19 Oct 2020 23:41:56
Ok so I think we need to be logical about VVDs injury. Last season we won the league by 18 points. Is his absence going to lose us that many points. Probably not. But he’s a massive loss and others have to step up to the plate. I hate to say it, but in united’s hay day that’s what their players did regularly. Klopp will find way.


4.) 20 Oct 2020 02:29:54
Thanks ed was just interested to know as they do have this provision in american sports.
Cheers.


5.) 20 Oct 2020 10:29:05
lakes4 - we didn't start the season with an 18 point head start.


6.) 20 Oct 2020 15:23:02
That's the whole idea behind a squad of 25, isn't it? And to build a squad of 25 (not just 11) that is as cohesive and similar in quality as possible, so that there's no let down when injuries happen. ManC did just fine without De Bruyne one season, and without Laporte the other. And Aguero is not fit half the time. Suck it up and move forward. Let the chips fall where they may.


7.) 21 Oct 2020 05:33:14
ArAy . but theh didn't do just give without Laporte, they lost 8 or 9 games and finishes 18 points adrift of us, . They needed to take fernandinho into the back and thus losing out in his midfield strenghts, I hope we don't suffer from Fabinho possibly being unavailable to play his best role every week.


8.) 21 Oct 2020 09:35:20
Agreed Har_red. But they came in second, and were still a potent force during the season. I suspect you're going to see a title winner with at least 8-9 loses this year. Compressed shorter season, no home-field advantage to speak of, players in and out due to catching c. v., and the usual injuries. I don't see how any team can play consistently in the face of such havoc and disruption.


9.) 23 Oct 2020 06:07:53
That is fairly true, I can't argue with the points you've made there.


 

 

14 Aug 2020 12:15:11
eds - echo quoted a club source who denied that the club had been in contact with bayern regards Thiago. part of the rationale they gave was that the club wouldn't want to pay a transfer fee for a player they could sign for free in a year. my question is, for any club wanting to sign Thiago this year, wouldn't they also negotiate an extension to his current contract? it seems like he wants to leave Bayern now, so if another club picked him sure they would be wanting to have him sign a multi year deal? otherwise what other club would pay a transfer fee for potentially a one year rental!?

Faithinworks

{Ed002's Note - Thiago doesn't want to extend his contract. I don't get your point about a one year rental.}


1.) 14 Aug 2020 13:07:48
Once Thiago leaves Bayern he will no longer have a contract with Bayern. He’ll have a new contract at his new club, which I’m sure won’t be for a year. It will be negotiated when Bayern allow somebody to speak to him and it’ll likely be 3-4 years, allowing the buying club to get the remaining top years out of the player and the player to have the chance of extending or leaving for yet another club for one last hurrah, maybe the Middle East, Far East, America or Italy.

By that point he has little resale value, will have declined physically making him less suited to certain ways of playing, will have cost a lot of money in wages and transfer fees and potentially suffered from further injuries which are creeping into his career. Hence why somebody at Liverpool is rightly wary.


2.) 14 Aug 2020 19:39:13
Hi eds, can one of confirm if we are actually in for Thiago or not?

Thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - RTFP. I have explained over and over the situation.}


3.) 14 Aug 2020 21:08:07
Evening Ed002 - Are you by any chance asking Redman 1 to listen to the Ross Tucker Football Podcast?

Just a small theory I’m working on 😁.

{Ed002's Note - F on't know what that is so I guess not.}


4.) 14 Aug 2020 23:13:52
ed2 - the question is, if Bayern sell thiago this summer, would the purchasing club also be negotiating a new contract for him that extends beyond the year he has left on his current contract? I'm asking the question because the echo rationale for Liverpool not wanting to buy Thiago is because the club don't want to buy a player whose contract is going to end in a year. I didn't understand their rational as it wouldn't seem to make sense for any club to spend money on a transfer who is going to become a FA in a year. that's the one year rental bit. happens in NBA all the time.

{Ed002's Note - I truly think you are completely confused about transfers. I have no idea what the Echo has said but if Liverpool want the player next year they can legally approach him next January. The length of his contract is unrelated to any club that buys him. So if Liverpool were to buy him they would look for a three to four year deal and would need to pay Bayern Munich an agreed fee.}


5.) 15 Aug 2020 00:24:46
Faithibworks you are after getting confused by what you read.

Whenever somebody transfers to a new club they sign a new contract with that club. What the echo mean is that Liverpool don't see value in spending €30m on a 29 year who could be a free agent in 10/ 11 months if he didn't leave Bayern this summer.

In reality, it seems more likely that Thiago will leave Bayern this summer so then he wouldn't be a free agent in 10/ 11 months. It's a case of which club will pay Bayern about €30m and Thiago to agree a contract with them. or maybe us, we'll have to wait and see.


6.) 15 Aug 2020 06:41:08
right, that's all I was after. Didn't need the carry on. Sean Ireland - I think you are right, I misinterpreted that bit about him being free in a year's time. I understood that for all transfers, the player would sign a new contract, hence the confusion in what I thought I'd read in the echo. Having said that, if Thiago says he wants to leave Bayern for anywhere now, then that would be the rationale to spend money on him this year because he won't be free in 12 months time by virtue of being at another club!


7.) 15 Aug 2020 09:23:11
Exactly ya 👍.


8.) 15 Aug 2020 09:35:14
Exactly ya 👍.


9.) 16 Aug 2020 03:16:19
We paid a higher fee to sign AOC when he was into his last year. We got nearly 12 mil for 31 yr old lovren with him available for free next year. 25mil would be good business to get thiago this year, why wait another year and lose out on a season where he could be a key player, this isn't huge money to be saying it can't be a wise investment.


 

 

12 Apr 2020 22:38:56
Ed2 - interested if you can share any info about how COVID-19 and its effect on the economy has altered how transfer negotiations are held? For instance, I just read a headline regarding Kane and Spurs holding out for 200mil. I'm not interested in that rumour but in how a normal discussion about transfer fees might be happening now? Can they even discuss figures right now!?

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{Ed002's Note - Transfers this summer will split into (a) those already agreed and completed subject to paperwork (e.g. Hakim Ziyech (Ajax to Chelsea), Nicolo Barella (Cagliari to Inter Milan), Alvaro Morata (Chelsea to Atletico Madrid) and Trincao (Braga to Barcelona)); (b) the transfers several cash rich clubs would like to get over the line if possible (e.g. Mbappe, Sanco, Martinez, Pogba, Havertz etc.) although people will try and negotiate reductions in the cost of overall packages (e.g. Sancho); (c) there are the then the higher-profile clubs that will need to horse trade by looking to spread out payments if they can, include players in sales or have the sell to buy (e.g. Inter Milan, Atletico Madrid and Barcelona are good examples; (d) the more run of the mill transfers where players are recruited to gain improvements in the sides, replace retiring and out of contract players etc..

You will certainly see less movement and less spend in the lower tiers as the money won't be there. Many will look to sell a player or two to the higher leagues to keep themselves out of trouble (e.g. Brad Young (G) has a move from Billingham Town to a Premier League side agreed already). And many PL and Championship sides are once again looking at players from the lower tiers.

In terms of transfer fees, we will still see a few very expensive transfers, you will see players having to stay where they are for another year, you will see efforts to reduce overall costs particularly agent fees - and across mainland Europe you will see even more horse trading than normal.}


 

 

 

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15 May 2022 13:05:43
just cos I like to think about how to improve. should we win the Champions League then for the 2022/ 23 season we will have the opportunity to play in every game available and go for an unprecedented Septet (incl Charity Shield, Super Cup and CWC) .

Imagine :)

Now beig.

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1.) 15 May 2022 13:25:13
There’s no CWC this season I believe.


2.) 15 May 2022 13:33:35
Settle for winning our next game on Tuesday!


 

 

25 Apr 2022 13:15:07
No issues with deep lying defensive teams playing for opportunities on the break. But so obviously time wasting within 15 minutes. What a joke and they should be embarrassed. 2-0 was probably apt on balance, but it was the kind of game, and they were the kind of opponent you wanted to hang for our 5 on.

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1.) 25 Apr 2022 16:29:55
Everton stopped having any shame years ago, OP.


2.) 25 Apr 2022 17:36:09
I don't think Everton did anything wrong, the time-wasting is egregious but it's allowed and the responsibility is on the governing powers to do something about it.

And there are options, of course. Using a non-continuous clock that stops when the ball goes out of play would disincentivize most of the time-wasting and would not appreciably change the game otherwise, provided they reduce the time per half.

Having referees actually enforce the rules is another option. Goalkeepers can only hold the ball for six seconds, and they sometimes do thirty. It would not be hard to fix this! Teams would get in line very quickly if you started penalizing it.

Same for when players kick the ball away when it's not theirs after getting called for a foul or throw-in, or when they step up to the ball after a free kick awarded to the other team? Why is any of this tolerated? It's such a normal part of the game, but it causes significant delays and reduces fun offensive moments by allowing defenses to regain their shape, which is why they do it. But it's so obvious that everyone does it, it's bad for the game, and it's not allowed! So just start hitting people with yellow cards early and often, and after we have a couple games that finish 9v9, the behavior will stop. Won't even take long.

I saw Atwell go over to make a ball that wasn't touching the corner semicircle be moved two centimeters. Maybe try enforcing stuff that matters, globally.


3.) 25 Apr 2022 18:22:33
AP. Time-wasting is cheating. Hence why it carries a booking if deemed excessive. And as for not doing anything wring. Diving, trying to get players booked, harassing officials and even giving knowing winks and jabs into their badge after gamesmanship are all what could be called wrong. Richarlson is a cheat. Plain and simple. The crowd had Peter Reid in. Now I know he's from a bygone era but would he be impressed with the tactics they enforced? I'd like to think not. Will to win is one thing, getting decisions go your way is also but cheating? That's entirely different.


4.) 25 Apr 2022 18:31:26
Sorry AP I just got the gist of your post.


5.) 25 Apr 2022 19:51:49
All good.

With all kinds of rules, there are things allowed, and then things allowed*. Diving, time-wasting, and such is right now part of the unwritten part of the game, and I firmly believe it doesn't have to be.

The reason I don't blame Everton is because in their shoes, I would do the same thing. People mock them for time-wasting from the first whistle, but this is mathematically correct-- if you're against a vastly superior side, you want to shorten the game at every opportunity.

We can't expect players not to do things that they can get away with, just like we can't expect rich people to voluntarily pass on tax loopholes. But we can change rules and step up enforcement to fix these things and be more nimble in the response.

Some of the stuff like faking injuries does go into an unethical bucket because it makes all players less safe when you do that. But something like time-wasting, eh, it is genuinely part of the game, and if really shouldn't be, and I think people should be righteously p. ed at the authorities who make and enforce the rules rather than at Pickford who, from a completely justifiable perspective, was doing the right thing. And I say this as someone who texted my mate after the match that "Everton's tactics make them a deserving relegation side. " I don't think my positions are inconsistent.


6.) 25 Apr 2022 20:57:47
Very few teams i have ever watched use time wasting from the first minute. I get that late in a game that these "tactics" are used maybe if you're hanging on to a result but not like Everton yesterday. That was ridiculous but in the end they got what they deserved.


7.) 26 Apr 2022 00:11:37
Heard a stat on from yesterdays game that out of the whole first half including stoppage the ball was only in active play for 28 minutes, now I know that some of that time was legitimate throw ins etc given Everton only had barely 15% possession that’s some shocking time wasting! I agree with lots of the posters you can’t blame Everton for there tactics as had they tried to play football I reckon a 5-0 drubbing would have been on the cards all day long and big frank admitted as much in his post match comments. My issue like many others is with the ref, booking Pickford earlier in the match for time wasting would have sped play up and what has happened to awarding indirect free kicks against keepers who don’t release the ball within the rules of the game? I actually enjoy Everton being in the league as I love the derby game but yesterday truely tested my resolve.


8.) 26 Apr 2022 01:13:19
I heard them (tv guys) say that only 28 minutes of actual football play took place in those 48 or 49 minutes of the first half. I don't know what the average is but wasting approximately 50% of the allotted time can't be just swept under the carpet, just because many are doing it. When does it become too much? Where's the limit?


9.) 26 Apr 2022 16:14:49
The ball is normally in play just under 60 minutes. So knocking the first half down to 28 minutes is a good win for time-wasting. You would absolutely want to do this as a big underdog.


 

 

15 Mar 2022 01:07:28
City well on their way to dropping as many points in second half of season as last year. 12 points last season, 7 so far.

No certainties in sport. Getting closer each week! Now the ball is back in our court.
YNWA.

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1.) 15 Mar 2022 02:45:21
We need to focus on ourselves only, what City do isn’t in our hands, what we do is. Arsenal away will be very tough, all our effort and focus should be on that game and that game only.


2.) 15 Mar 2022 04:06:04
ok cap lol
a few weeks ago loads of people here thought it was impossible for City to drop another point. Just pointing out that line of thinking is ridiculous cos nothing is certain in sport. and as I said, the ball is back in our court.


3.) 15 Mar 2022 06:53:33
We got to win all our remaining games including match against city. They could afford a draw.


4.) 15 Mar 2022 07:04:13
Balls not in our court! They are 4 points ahead!


5.) 15 Mar 2022 07:49:38
Yes Jay the ball is in our court, if we win ALL our matches we win the league, simple.


6.) 15 Mar 2022 08:40:50
Deisered by the same logic the balls more in Man City’s court as if they win their matches they win league plus they play us at their home ground plus they can afford to draw or win vs us if we both win all our other games.

Let’s take it one game at a time and see where we end up. Man City are favourites due to above but let’s hope we run them close.


7.) 15 Mar 2022 08:46:36
Except it's not simple especially as we are juggling the league with 2 other competitions.


8.) 15 Mar 2022 09:31:17
Should have been 9 points if it wasn't for that shambolic Rodri handball that was not given as a pen. W/ O that, we would be going for the top spot tmrw vs Arsenal. One game at a time, either way.


9.) 15 Mar 2022 10:13:20
All we can do is win our next game and carry on. If they suddenly get an attack of nerves we have to be there. This is completely new to City dropping points like this at this stage of the season as they usually go on a run. I actually think the tide might have turned, it is now entire in our hands because winning all of our remaining games makes us champions, as one of those games is against City….


10.) 15 Mar 2022 11:08:28
Should have been in our favor if not for bottling a two-goal lead against Brentford and drawing the mighty Newcastle and Brighton.


11.) 15 Mar 2022 11:17:08
Harry by "our", do you mean City?


12.) 15 Mar 2022 11:33:15
Except we won against the mighty Newcastle?


13.) 15 Mar 2022 11:34:35
Wimbledon AFC Oli dude 🥰🥰. Can I give you some more hugs 🤗.


14.) 15 Mar 2022 12:11:53
Balls still in City's court but the league is in our own hands. They have to be favourites. 1 point lead even if we beat Arsenal, home game against us, and an easier run in on paper. Just up to us to treat every league game left like a cup final and we have to beat them at the Etihad in my opinion. That will break their spirit.


15.) 15 Mar 2022 13:11:53
Harry, keep your hugs for your fellow City fans cos they kind of need them way more than I ever will right now, lol.


16.) 18 Mar 2022 09:07:50
people don't really seem to understand the concept of 'ball in our court' lol it was in ours for arsenal match, we returned volley. so you know we going tit for tat, that's all it means lol.


 

 

09 Oct 2021 10:31:38
ed2 ......................

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1.) 09 Oct 2021 10:48:13
When does the boat come in?


2.) 09 Oct 2021 11:08:49
What happens if there is no fishy for the little dishy🤔.


3.) 09 Oct 2021 11:20:29
Ed2.is batman.


4.) 09 Oct 2021 11:21:09
Barry ye’ll na be able te dance f’ya daddy.


5.) 09 Oct 2021 13:07:51
Or sing f'ya mammy.


6.) 09 Oct 2021 13:16:26
Ed, hypothetically, if FSG were bought out, Could the new owners spend a billion per window in the next 3 years and not worry about FFP? 😃.


7.) 09 Oct 2021 16:56:14
Thats the point we don't need 100's of millions we just needed FSG to get us one top midfield player. Especially seen as they got a massive cash injection in the summer. They spend net zero this summer, kicking the can down the road.


8.) 09 Oct 2021 17:59:32
Becoming a broken record Mark lad.


9.) 09 Oct 2021 18:24:14
Cant help it Flash. They let us down big style. I praised them enough before now I will keep jabing them.


10.) 09 Oct 2021 18:55:56
Give it a rest transfer fanboy. If you had got your wish and we had signed someone like Saul we likely wouldn’t have seen the emergence of first Elliott and now Jones. How is Saul getting on at Chelsea by the way?


11.) 09 Oct 2021 20:30:34
We are 10 games in what has Saul got to do with it? Chelsea don't need him atm. 10 games has told us nothing yet wait till December or better Still May before you make any assumptions. Of course Elliot would have played instead of Hendo and Jones has still plenty to prove. Fingers crossed though. I think we will make a decent signing in Jan, Klopp is jabbing them as well.


12.) 09 Oct 2021 21:46:37
Why don’t you wait until May before making any assumptions? You complain we didn’t sign a midfielder in the summer yet we are unbeaten in all competitions this season. What are you complaining about?


13.) 09 Oct 2021 22:59:59
Luckily we have invested in so many players. With the number of midfield injuries, if we didn't have 8 first team midfielders built up over the last few seasons then we'd be needing to throw the kids out there.


14.) 10 Oct 2021 00:07:35
Is that mark complaining again that's very UNUSUAL for him. Let it rest lad would you.


15.) 10 Oct 2021 04:06:15
To be fair has a right to say what he wants - even if, like me you don’t agree with him.

I know you would probably say it is as boring as anything you’ve ever seen that he repeats the same thing over and over again, but it seems to be his one and only opinion, which is fair enough I suppose.


16.) 10 Oct 2021 08:44:17
I am not complaining, striving to give Klopp the best chance he has. Wanting to be the best is not complaining. I am 100 % convinced we need a player in Jan. I said at the beginning we would win the league but we needed a midfielder to accomplish that. So I believe we are so close but we need the missing piece.

If we don’t get down to the bare bones at some point then I will be the first to put my hand up and say you were all correct.


17.) 10 Oct 2021 09:00:36
Is the midfielder we need actually out there and available to buy? More importantly can we afford him? Bellingham-too expensive. Bissouma-too much baggage. Saul-went to Chelsea. Kessie-has been damned after one game against us. Maybe we should sign De Bruyne? Or one of the Italian midfielders, who historically don’t like to leave Italy.


18.) 10 Oct 2021 09:21:33
We need legs in midfield, maybe Elliot is back end of Jan and we will be ok. I thought John Mcginn would have been decent plenty energy and will to win. Plus a few goals he is a good finisher. I am sure Edwards and Klopp have a list.


19.) 10 Oct 2021 11:26:12
You say you'll keep having a jab at FSG Mark, but I highly doubt that any of them read this site or would give a damn if they did, so all you're doing is labouring the point with endless bleating.
You're a good poster, but you've got an obsession with FSG not letting you play transfer top trumps.
Nearly every post now is FSG/ we need new owners/ buy a midfielder.


20.) 10 Oct 2021 12:06:01
You are actually complaining Mark - you are complaining that the club aren’t buying the player you want. I have a three year old granddaughter who is going through the ‘ I want ‘ phase - I guess some of us never grow out of it. We are all aware that you are convinced that we need a midfield player in January. Why don’t you give it a rest for the next couple of months and see if the club agrees with you in January. After all we can’t sign anybody at the moment so no matter how many times you stamp your foot and say ‘I want’ it will achieve absolutely nothing except increased blood pressure all around.


21.) 10 Oct 2021 13:24:31
Not sure why so many on here are so against transfers, didn’t we sign Allison, Robbo, Vvd, Gomez, Matip, Konate, Hendo, Thiago, Naby, Milner, Elliot, Mane, Bobby, Jota, Salah etc. Or did I miss them coming through the youth system.

Wanting transfers and realising the owners aren’t going to spend currently doesn’t make you less of a fan if anything it just makes you a realist. Moaning about it constantly isn’t going to change that but also moaning about it constantly doesn’t make someone less of a fan.

Every fan wants different things and has different views and opinions and this is what this site is for and whether you’re a glass half full, empty or you have red blinkered glasses on everyones opinion has zero impact or effect on what the owners or club actually chooses to do. The beauty of football is everyone has an opinion and feels apart of the club and game despite what side of the fence they fall on.


22.) 10 Oct 2021 19:59:46
I'm not actually seeing anyone against transfers JK.
And I don't see anyone being called less of a fan over it either. It's more of a disappointment that good posters allow themselves to be railroaded onto that particular subject and bring it up at every turn.
It's not like any of us aren't grasping the point.


23.) 10 Oct 2021 21:21:15
Flash fair reply that mate.

I wasn’t criticising anyone on this thread. Actually think a lot of the best posters on this group have actually commented above. Was just talking in general. I was actually fed up of coming on here during the transfer window not because of the posters who were excited about possible transfers but more to do with the bar humbugs who were adamant we didn’t need a transfer.

For me there’s a massive difference between us not getting a transfer and not needing one. But just my opinion.


24.) 11 Oct 2021 07:42:03
Fair comment JK. But this thread is a prime example. It starts off about Newcastle's new owners and within half a dozen posts it's "we need a midfielder", "FSG let us down" and so on and so on.
As WDW rightly points out, it's not as if we can actually buy a player at the moment, so what is being achieved by harping on about it constantly?
It's borderline obsessive behaviour and it needlessly derails threads. And that is when good sites like this start to suffer.


25.) 11 Oct 2021 09:15:47
Spot on Mark, we do need new owners.


26.) 11 Oct 2021 21:22:00
Mark, let me guess. We need Bissouma, init? And yes, you are complaining cos that’s all you do when the club don’t do what you want. Maybe we get Bissouma in Jan and that will prolly make you happy till the next shiny new toy comes around.

And even if we sign someone in Jan, who makes way in the squad for him? Did you think about that? Let it go, man. You repeat the same stuff all the time. Get some new material or find something else to moan about cos at least, we’ll have something new to talk about. Good grief 🙄🙄.


 

 

09 Oct 2021 10:25:08
just read that UK are changing the red list countries and the quarantine rules. Brazil is included. Assuming this is positive news then for our brazilian lads, assuming they are fully vaccinated that is.

Faithinworks

1.) 09 Oct 2021 18:24:46
I saw that a few days ago must mean they can play v AM.


2.) 09 Oct 2021 23:00:30
Perhaps won't make a difference in terms of travel time I suppose.


 

 

 

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Chicken Fried Rice?
:D :D :D.

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22 May 2022 03:25:52
Regards Mo, I just rekon the other elite clubs don't see him as influential on a team as he is in our system.

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13 May 2022 00:41:15
I'm really excited for Jude, I hope he comes to us.

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10 May 2022 04:45:41
Mane gets no respect on here. I'd sooner keep him than Mo.

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24 Mar 2022 08:57:55
Bowen would be a nice addition to the front line. the idea that he'd be replacing Mo tho? c'mon. The front line would have a clear front 4 plus Bowen unless Bowen came in and turned into BOWEN like how Mo made his name here. Which is entirely possible!

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26 May 2022 01:26:07
the idea of a stop-gap is never a good idea!

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23 May 2022 10:45:44
Just saying I've not noticed it. Maybe I've missed it but when I think bundles of energy, pressing etc I definitely don't think of those two.

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23 May 2022 10:05:14
Matip and VVD for sure. I think it'd be good to keep Milner up our sleeve for second half.

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23 May 2022 10:04:15
92, 97, 99. These are amazing points totals, and even more amazing that only one of these totals won the league for us!

I find it hard to be critical in the context that we've done everything possible. Yes there were dropped points but to not drop those points would have made the points collected even more impossible / improbable. We are really unfortunate to be competing with City right now.

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23 May 2022 10:01:57
I think the FA need to stamp this out asap. may come across OTT here, but for me, one you let the boundary slip then it is prone for worst case scenario. already seeing players being assaulted and harassed in their place of work.

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