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20 Oct 2024 01:26:49
Question for the Eds - is there typically an in-house punishment system for players who get red cards? Watching West Ham and Kudus' deliberate actions have left his already-struggling team without one of their best players for 3 games. He got a couple of arms around his shoulders as he headed down the tunnel yet if i were Lopetegui, or if it was a Liverpool player, i would be livid. Do the players get punished by their clubs as well as the FA for (potentially) derailing their season?
{Ed001's Note - yes there is but why is Kudus getting it in the neck? He was attacked from all sides by multiple opponents, after having been the only player to have done anything from his team and so likely extremely frustrated. I agree, there was no choice but to red card him, but the deliberate actions were from the 6 or 7 opposition players who went at him. He was just reacting, the only time a West Ham player showed any fight in the entire game.}
1.) 20 Oct 2024 07:03:37
He reacted through frustration as you say but in the space of 20 seconds he had kicked Van der Ven twice and pushed two players in the face. he's let down his team after carrying them for an hour. If he's that easily triggered, other sides will be using it against him.
{Ed001's Note - and he had been pushed and kicked by just as many players. I don't see your point. These are human beings, it was a deliberate act of all their players to take it in turns to have a go in order to ensure none of them got a red, while winding him up as he was the only danger. It was proper old school sh**housery and his reaction was hardly worthy of a red card, other than the world we live in being so soft and pathetic. Footie is a wimps game now, no wonder they all get injured so much, they are pathetic and a little bit of contact has them throwing themselves to the ground.}
2.) 20 Oct 2024 08:59:01
The 2 Spurs players went down like they'd been shot. Whilst I agree that Kudus needed to be sent off, this play acting needs to be sorted as well. Clutching your face like you've just been punched by Conner Mcgregor is pathetic and embarrassing. Football, at the top level, has gone to the dogs.
3.) 20 Oct 2024 09:10:18
If there is an in-house punishment system for red cards, I doubt West Ham adhere to it strictly - they are the most unserious club in football and not a thing they do is done with any strategy or conviction.
That said, while Kudus deserved his red card, games that are refereed fairly and correctly very rarely end up with players is frustrated as Kudus was.
4.) 20 Oct 2024 09:57:31
“The most unserious club in football”. I’ve told you a million times not to exaggerate, and anyway it’s United ?.
5.) 20 Oct 2024 10:08:45
Love it ed 1. So true. People are getting pixxed off with this kind of shxthousery. The battle for the soul of Football has been well and truly lost.
6.) 20 Oct 2024 10:32:06
One can only express my "KUDOS" to Kudis!
7.) 20 Oct 2024 10:47:28
I thought that was embarrassing by both Van De Ven and Richarlison. It was barely a tap by Kudus and they went down like a sack of potatoes. Especially Richarlison who ran over to Kudus just to flop over like a dead fish.
8.) 20 Oct 2024 10:48:42
You could be seen as a wimp if you can't cope with proper old school sh**housery.
It's been part of the game for as long as I can remember.
9.) 20 Oct 2024 10:49:11
Tristan, I've long held the belief that in a situation where player A fouls player B, and player B goes rolling around on the floor like he's been shot, only to miraculously recover a minute later, the ref should be allowed give the foul against player A (cos it was one) and then book player B for play acting.
That'd stamp it out sharpish.
{Ed001's Note - they should 100% book a player for play acting - van de Ven is a case in point. He dived to the floor like he was shot, only to jump up the moment he realised the ref had not seen what happened. It is outright cheating and should be punished heavily. I agree, that would stop it quickly.}
10.) 20 Oct 2024 11:43:42
On another note, I’ve watched WestHam a few times this season and it’s not pretty. They are a mess.
11.) 20 Oct 2024 12:50:51
A player can be booked for feigning injury.
12.) 20 Oct 2024 14:54:39
Sin bin them - dissent and simulation.
13.) 20 Oct 2024 15:05:24
When's that ever been enforced Rigsby? Cos I can't remember a time I saw it happen. Even when Richarlison pretended he was injured from heading the ball.
14.) 20 Oct 2024 15:14:16
As it is near to Halloween richarlison has gotten ready rather early as he is dressed as a footballer goes down far to easy could you imagine him playing say ice hockey or being in the ring with Connor Mcgregor?
15.) 20 Oct 2024 18:42:18
I think kudus needed 2 yellows for that even if its a red. But they cannot use var and give 2 yellows can they? And wasnt kudus being pushed and pulled too. We the fans sitting on our arse only become so emotional. Imagine the guys putting all the work.
16.) 21 Oct 2024 01:27:29
I didn't say it had been enforced, Something Red; I'm just explaining the laws of the game.
You want something enforcing that is already enforceable, not me.
As a guess, I'd say that referees don't want to get into judging whether a player is hurt enough to be feigning it or not. I've seen players go down with no contact made by an opponent close by and they have done an ACL.
It would be another minefield for referees to navigate.
17.) 21 Oct 2024 10:22:19
"the only time a West Ham player showed any fight in the entire game. "
That is the real scandal here, Ed01. Spot on. If WH had shown any type of fight that Kudus showed with multiple players picking on him and flopping to the ground whe he reacted like to took a punch from Tyson Fury, then WH would have had a better go at it footballing-wise and Kudus would not feel like he was being bullied en masse. Wretched performance from the WH team bar Kudus.
25 Aug 2024 09:47:37
The question of abolishing VAR was put to the clubs, but it might have been interesting if it was put to the fans.
Any chance of a poll on here, Eds?
{Ed033's Note -
Abolish VAR poll
1.) 25 Aug 2024 10:14:40
Interesting the poll isn't as clear as you'd expect. It seems just above half of people want it gone.
2.) 25 Aug 2024 10:22:32
VAR could be great if used correctly. Before VAR there were more mistakes and a lot of wrong refereeing decisions that were talked about every week. The frustration comes more from wrong decisions still happening even with VAR in place and VAR getting involved when its unnecessary. I want to keep VAR in the hope that the people using it get better at their jobs.
3.) 25 Aug 2024 10:25:03
It’s not VAR that’s the problem it’s the implementation. It’s a great idea, but it needs to be much better. Easier said than done.
It needs to be instantaneous, so that the match going fan’s experience isn’t diminished by it. That would mean the game being refereed by AI, I think we’re a fair few years off that yet.
4.) 25 Aug 2024 10:32:27
Not sure if I want it gone, I would like it to change the way it’s run. Stinks of corruption to me.
5.) 25 Aug 2024 10:50:10
Agree with the above sentiments. Keep it for objective decisions only I. e offsides and balls going out of play. This re-reffing the game on what are ultimately points of subjectivity has to stop.
6.) 25 Aug 2024 11:23:32
I enjoyed football more before VAR. simple.
7.) 25 Aug 2024 11:54:04
Same Letstalkabout6.
8.) 25 Aug 2024 13:04:19
Automated offside and goal line technology should be good enough, because they can't use the var they're still making mistakes with it in place if they could use it properly it'd be ok.
9.) 25 Aug 2024 14:16:27
A question for those who know, the VAR used at the Euros and the Olympics seemed to be different than that used by the Premier League. Is it actually different?
If so, is there discussion of using that method in the PL?
10.) 25 Aug 2024 15:40:39
Part of it is a chip placed in the balls used in those competitions to detect exactly when the ball was kicked. Unfortunately, that piece of technology is patented by Addidas while the PL has a ball deal with Nike atm. The offside system. without that bit of tech should be coming in after one of the upcoming international breaks, but it won't be quite as fast.
11.) 25 Aug 2024 19:36:17
I get why people say things like "I liked it better before var" but that's not the right reason to get rid of anything.
My grandad likes it better with no offside rule should get rid of that?
The rules were created to make the game fair. The refs and var are there to enforce the rules.
My opinion refs just aren't good enough here, standard of refs in pretty much every other league refs games better and more consistent
I'd also like to see refs taken out of var and var to be independent since at least two referees have said they try not to intervene when they are the var because they don't want to embarrass their mate who is the ref that day. That needs to stop.
03 Oct 2023 13:12:12
Looks like they have thrown the book at the VAR officials and given them one weekend off for their incompetence. The ref Hooper however won't be punished quite as severely. He will be the VAR official for the Everton game this weekend.
You couldn't make it up.
1.) 03 Oct 2023 14:19:37
Onto the naughty stool for a week. Surprise, surprise. No long term consequences or reforms, can't upset the PGMOL Old Boy's Club.
2.) 03 Oct 2023 15:06:20
How Hooper is not even slightly implicated in what happened, I will never know.
3.) 03 Oct 2023 16:40:19
Business, as usual then. Shocking, I know.
4.) 03 Oct 2023 16:57:30
Does a ref lose pay if dropped? I'm guessing they don't but couldn't find it anywhere.
{Ed002's Note - Yes they don’t get their match fee.}
5.) 03 Oct 2023 17:25:28
The uae trip will have covered any losses am sure mad that they couldn't use common sense and call the game back 20s.
{Ed002's Note - There is no issue with refs going to the UAE or the other countries they visit regularly: Saudi, Japanese, Greece etc.. they are paid to scale. You need to drop these stupid comments.}
6.) 03 Oct 2023 17:39:46
Surely the refs must get jaded with travelling to these places in between Premier League games? Jaded people lose concentration in all walks of life. If we believe their story, it was obviously lack of concentration to not know what the onfield officials were doing. If travelling overseas is affecting their work here, it should be stopped.
{Ed002's Note - Surely there is some other feeble excuse you can scratch away at. Typically after such trips the would just be assigned to VAR. Is this much different to them takin control of European games?}
7.) 03 Oct 2023 17:48:16
In all seriousness Ed, do you not see something suspicious about the reffing? What is your take on what happened?
{Ed002's Note - I have explained there have been mistakes.}
8.) 03 Oct 2023 17:57:39
Gentlemen, the excuses and complaining isn't going to change anything. Do what the team is doing right now - focus on the next game.
At no point, was or am, happy with the weekend's performance but, there's no conspiracy. Sour taste? Yes! But the overreaching is unhealthy.
9.) 03 Oct 2023 18:19:18
Everton and the Manc clubs lost at the weekend, so there is at least some sort of silver lining.
10.) 03 Oct 2023 19:47:51
Come on ed002, we all can’t all have your privileges, flying at the front of the aircraft or the upper deck of an A380, giving maximum rest, enhanced with a couple of glasses of vintage bolly ?
Ha - just kidding ed002.
{Ed002's Note - If you fly British Airways then first class us on the lower deck for the A380.}
11.) 03 Oct 2023 21:03:24
Ed02, it’s not a feeble excuse. It’s a valid point. Travelling is tiring; there’s jet lag too. To be fair to the VAR officials, it sounds manic in there, so they need to be wide awake. They were probably watching the Ryder Cup on their phones though.
{Ed002's Note - It is a reasonably short hop where they can sleep should they wish to. Is this the claim Liverpool will be making.}
18 Apr 2023 02:48:15
I'm torn between two players for man of the match tonight. Both were born in Liverpool.
1.) 18 Apr 2023 06:04:13
Adam Forshaw? Weird choice but it's an opinions game mate!
2.) 18 Apr 2023 06:41:30
For sure, Adam.
3.) 18 Apr 2023 08:24:10
Jones was great and showed his potential. Much better than Elliot in the middle of park. Nice to have someone in there who can hold the ball and beat a player. We lack that massively when Thiago is out with Fab and Hendo. Hopefully he gets a good run on games.
25 Apr 2022 08:49:26
While i understand the excitement and hubris on here in response to beating our blue neighbours, can we please also spare an ounce of humanity to remember and acknowledge one of our worthy opponents. A fallen general who showed grit, passion and fortitude whilst under constant physical bombardment by our heavy-handed midfielders. A man of such iron-clad resilience that it took an enormous swipe from Keita's left pinky to stop him in his tracks.
That warrior is, of course, Richarlson.
Some may remember this game for the football and for three points closer to our season's goal but it should never be forgotten how much punishment that man took in his quest to try and scrape a 0-0 for Everton.
It may not have been captured by VAR (and consequently vigorously punished) but there was an incident around 60 minutes where his elbow was grabbed by TAA. Yes, grabbed. Just let that sink in for a minute. Grabbed.
In another situation, Richy was so viciously taken down by Thiago he actually rolled FOUR times from the sheer impact and couldn't prise himself from the floor for an excruciating three minutes. The cynics and doubters who thought he may have been exaggerating his mortal wounds had obviously not seen the brutal agony etched across his face as he dare not let go of his ankle in case the full lower limb fell off.
But, with a fleet of paramedics desperate to administer tourniquets and painkillers, Richy defied all odds and rose again. Not with a limp or complaint but with full-throttle urgency to obtain the goalless draw he so badly craved. Ten minutes later, tragedy struck again. A sniper from Row G on the Kop waited until Richy was alone, isolated on the wing, 20 metres from any player, and hit his mark. This time, Richy took a mere 2 and a half minutes to reattach his cruciate ligaments and hand-stitch his severely torn gastrocnemius whilst simultaneously urging the ref to use his coloured cards on somebody, anybody.
He fought on to the end of the game, despite having more broken bones than a KFC bucket, and a legend was born. Unsubstantiated rumours were that he only actually cried just the once.
Remember the day, people. With relegation looming, it will be a long time since we witness the likes of Richarlison again (unless we get Real Madrid in the final) .
1.) 25 Apr 2022 09:35:01
Ha ha good read. I have to say I haven’t seen anything like them antics from a prem player in a very long time. He was more interested in lying down than getting up and helping his teammates out. I have no idea why Docoure was so incensed he should have been barracking his team mate for not getting on with it.
2.) 25 Apr 2022 10:19:13
It was very much a Mourinho-esque performance from Frank's Everton. The antics started from the very first minute.
I am glad for half time as we were getting caught up in their despicable approach to the game instead of just playing out game.
3 points is all that mattered. We got the points and we move onto Villareal midweek. In fact, this may have been a good warm-up for it as we'll need to move the ball quickly in little space to break them down.
3.) 25 Apr 2022 10:39:04
Quality post that IDreamOfGin ðŸ‘.
4.) 25 Apr 2022 12:25:58
Richarlison will be the first guy to bolt after he causes a bar fight. Spineless coward just like his spineless, arrogant and cowardly manager. Mourinho-esque? Nah, bro. Mou was a brilliant football mind. Still is when you watch his punditry. Lampard is just a self entitled, arrogant and incompetent excuse of a manager who NLY thinks he is Mourinho-esque.
04 Oct 2024 13:13:22
Darwin scored 18 times for Liverpool last season. I don't understand the negative opinions about him . Pretty respectable stats if you ask me.
28 Aug 2024 10:11:59
Pretty flakey if he's pushing for a move after two games. No guarantee hed get constant game time at Arsenal either. I doubt this is true.
24 Aug 2024 01:04:13
What does an ‘understudy’ do? Sits on the bench picking up tips from Mo in the hope he will be equally as good when Salah leaves next year? Maybe 10 mins on the pitch here and there?
No decent winger is going to do that. Much more likely when Mo leaves we buy a direct replacement and give him pre-season to learn what Slot needs him to do. Diaz didn't need a year to understudy Mane.
30 May 2024 10:29:47
Grujic was sold to Porto 3 years ago.
24 Apr 2024 04:25:24
How many top grade English managers have there been in the PL era?
06 Dec 2024 11:05:02
Shhh WDW3, at least let us know there's a spoiler alert.
28 Nov 2024 12:15:03
Is Mbappe really the best player in the world though? He has been a phenom for France and scored goals for fun in a farmers league but i have thought for years he is a little overhyped. He doesn't take games by the scruff of the neck in the way that Messi, Modric or Gerrard have done. He has the ability to dribble at pace but, aside from that he's always seemed a little one dimensional to me.
Definitely a top, top player but best in the world? Im not so sure.
28 Nov 2024 04:11:55
Got to second that on Nunez. Bradley and Kelleher will rightly get the plaudits but Darwin was excellent.
25 Nov 2024 22:24:23
A terrible buy? Give the lad a chance, he’s just finished his preseason training. He played 15 minutes at the end of a match and showed aggression and a good touch. His form in Italy showed he can be exceptional. He should be fresh and motivated to play when he gets a chance. Im seriously looking forward to seeing what he can do with a cautious training regime and Slot’s ability to get the best out of his players.
25 Nov 2024 11:25:08
Are you Nunez in disguise, Grinch?