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24 Aug 2015 22:19:07
Great result, great first half and good determination shown at least in the 2nd half.
A lot of positives for me - Migs overall was very good, Gomez had a good game and doesn't shy away from anything, Clyne had a very good game, Lucas was man of the match for me, Milner done well and very pleased with Benteke only he should have scored.
1.) 24 Aug 2015 22:43:54
Meant to say Coutinho played well too he worked hard and was always a threat, obviously unlucky not to get another great goal.
2.) 24 Aug 2015 22:46:26
Not sure Lucas was man of the match? Mignolet and the back four should share that. Again Benteke showed himself all game doing everything right. If he had scored then it would have been perfect.
3.) 25 Aug 2015 00:38:02
Lucas made countless interceptions and started numerous quick counter attacks. He only gave away one half needless foul and he didn't waste anything.
Of the back 4 both full backs fair enough but both centre backs played well but still had too many mistakes each and were still a little all over the place positioning wise.
08 Jun 2015 10:35:23
Midfielders - how about we don't try to sign any other midfielder and we keep Lucas and give him playing time?
Lucas, Can, Henderson, Milner, Coutinho, Lallana, Allen, Rossiter, Williams and Teixiera.
That's 7 senior squad members who can play in the central midfield roles and 3 young players to provide some additional backup.
I haven't seen any indication from the Eds that Allen could be on his way so if we're not selling Allen then how about we go with what we have here.
We can't keep buying and selling double figures of players each year. (Alberto to go so I didn't include him)
04 Jun 2015 08:57:48
So if Lambert is more likely to stay and if we sign Ings then I presume that we wouldn't actually be going for another striker? As in one to go straight into the starting 11.
Origi is on the way. We'd have Lambert, Sturridge and Ings. Then you have the likes of Sinclair for 5th choice striker. That includes Borini and Balotelli both moving on.
I'm afraid signing Ings is going to block us from going for someone better, we'll have too many strikers.
1.) 04 Jun 2015 09:57:55
Lambert won't be staying mate
2.) 04 Jun 2015 09:59:13
That's always the case. You should go for the best you could possibly attain. I would rather have looked at Vietto, Jeremy Menez, Bas Dost, Alberto Bueno etc. I hope Ings turns out to be a good signing though. could be but i really don't have faith in "british talent" in general.
3.) 04 Jun 2015 10:04:39
Why would you suggest this!? I'm sure Rodgers is looking for another striker to come in and fill the right-back role!
4.) 04 Jun 2015 10:37:56
@Brendanthebluffer, Ed001 answered someone else around midnight on Lambert indicating that Lambert doesn't want to go and he is unlikely to go.
5.) 04 Jun 2015 10:41:14
Also I would like to add part of the issue (a big part of course) is that Rodgers does not need such a big squad. Last year with Sturridge out all season we had Balotelli, Borini and Lambert on the books. None of them played that much.
Origi and Ings added to the mix, then you'd hope Sturridge would come back to fitness. How could we need Ings if we are to go out and buy someone as good as Sturridge? I don't think we'd use Origi or Ings much if we did so that's why I'm saying, really hope I'm wrong, that I think Ings would be the only striker coming in.
We wouldn't have good enough quality up top but numbers wise we'd have too many on the books to go get another.
6.) 04 Jun 2015 12:45:09
For me it looks like Borini and hopefully if we find a buyer Balotelli leaving. That would leave Sturridge, Lambert and Origi as our strikers. Ings would be a good option imo, he is used to the premier league and 10 goals in a relegated side is pretty good, my only concern is his mental strength (he didn't have the nerve to take the penalty). There is no guarantee that any of the other strikers linked with us (Vietto ect) would A. suit the premier league and B. adapt straight away. I think this season we need proven premier league goal scorers and there aren't many of those available
29 Apr 2015 09:52:49
When the cameraman went to Balotelli icing his swollen foot after being taken off last night did anyone notice the commentator say that oh Liverpool will be short of options up front now with Sturridge out and if Balotelli is out.
Well does anybody not notice that Lambert and Borini are there and have been looking for matches all season. Both signed by Rodgers.
He's only playing one up top so I still don't see how we could be short of options. Whether or not those options are good enough is a different matter. I for one would have given Borini a lot more chances this season and I still think signing Lambert was a good idea.
1.) 29 Apr 2015 10:30:16
I'd rather Colin pascoe play up front than mario, his movement would be better
2.) 29 Apr 2015 10:37:15
Totally agree. Borini got dropped after a decent game against Madrid and hasn't featured much since. Lambert got dropped after scoring. To get strikers some confidence you actually need to give them a run in the team, not replace them with midfielders.
3.) 29 Apr 2015 11:28:54
Balotelli's style never suited Rodgers best and most successful tactics, the high pressing game. Borini suits this down to the ground and he should have got more games.
Lambert doesn't suit that style but he did play in a similar system last season at Southampton and at the price paid for him I think he was a good idea for a different option, mainly as backup and coming off the bench.
Can playing defence drove me mad as well last night, it's clear Hull targeted him and attacked his side in the first half (playing RB) but he was having some succuess going forward. The "attacking" substitution taking off Lovren and bringing on Markovic was a terrible idea. Can was shackled even more going in to CB and then Markovic playing RB in a back four is just a bad idea.
Man City brought on defensive midfielders for strikers last season and moved Yaya Toure further up the pitch. On paper it may come across as defensive but it worked a treat from an attacking point of view.
4.) 29 Apr 2015 12:22:19
Swishcleaner why is it any different for Balotelli? All I've seen this season from Lambert was a clueless striker most of the time. And Borini is simply far from good enough. The same goes for Balotelli but he poses much more threat than the 2.
5.) 29 Apr 2015 13:48:33
Lambert hasn't looked great but when he scored he was dropped. The one time he deserved a game and a run and BR blew it. Borini plays a high pressing game so up top with a second striker at least we could have won the ball back higher up the field and forced errors. Again, when he had his best game he was dropped immediately after. Balo is more talented than both but doesn't suit our style ( pressing game) or playing as a lone striker. His confidence is also shot but in his sub appearances he's looked decent. Unfortunately I didn't see the last two games when balo started so not sure how he's done lately.
6.) 29 Apr 2015 14:46:18
I'm not arguing about tactics. I'm arguing about the players per se. Lambert is not good, Borini is not good, Balotelli is not good. Out of the three the most dangerous is Balotelli. I can also argue that when Sturridge was fit Balotelli showed his true self, but wasn't used as much as partner to Sturridge.
Borini or Lambert with the style we play(one striker), would have most of the time have the same, if not worst, result as using Balotelli. Borini after all those years isn't a Liverpool level(not even as a sub) striker. He can only press. Our mistake was that we didn't push for his sale when Sunderland wanted to keep him.
7.) 29 Apr 2015 19:59:15
And who bought these "poor" strikers you all speak of? Yeah, that would be the same guy who keeps moaning that he needs a top striker YET when he had a chance to get them like rem or Bony (who are NOT top strikers BUT wwould do a lot better than the guys mentioned YET BR said NO to them), he choked and did not. The manager is at fault here for the upteenth time and nobody else because the players did not sign themselves. Somebody bought them and allowed them in and the manager should not be allowed the benefit of the doubt here. Remember the quote, "No player will come in here that the manager doesn`t want'. Yeah, that would be the same guy bitching about how Balo was not his choice. BR should save his doublespeak for those who care and for his many apologists because for those of us who argue based on facts, he`s wasting his time.
8.) 30 Apr 2015 07:36:25
And this is our difference. He didn't bought or oversaw the transfer of Balotelli, because they throw this to him without wanting(according to Macca and who will I believe you or Macca?). He wanted someone better than Balotelli and they gave him Balotelli. So who is the criminal here? BR or the club aka transfer committee aka the owners?
Also who rejected Remy BR? Or the club aka transfer comittee aka the owners? Bony would have been better but he would have cost much more without offering that much. Instead of throwing their all to buy a strong name of a striker they were playing around. And this is not just BR's fault as he can't do whatever he wants.
BR bought Lambert as a cover 3rd striker. He was not bought to play week in week out and he is not a bad striker if you have others who score consistently and he doesn't have the burden to take us out of the mud every week.
I said repeatedly BR made mistakes, but I'm not throwing it all out to him without looking at the big picture or the behind the scenes just like you people do.
{Ed001's Note - Rodgers rejected all the other options so got stuck with having to take Balotelli. At the end of the day he could have had Remy or Bony, he chose not to go for either.}
18 Feb 2015 11:43:26
Can we send Manquillo back at the end of this season without any sort of financial sanctions? I know Atletico could recall him but I wouldn't see why they'd want to do that. I'm hoping Rodgers might realise that Wisdom is a better option for RWB and he could also play RCB. Even with Johnson likely to go we still have Flanagan and the likes of McLaughlin still coming through.
I'd send him back to just save on his weekly wage next season and allow our own youngsters the chance instead. Also at the moment we're not even using any RB's as Rodgers is playing wingers there so we're way overstocked in my opinion.
1.) 18 Feb 2015 12:24:27
I actually disagree that Wisdom is better for RWB, but he's definitely a great RCB option to have. Like you, I fail to see the general point in having Manquillo
2.) I don't rate Manquillo. I think he's caught in between being a full back and a wing back. He charges forward too soon, is indecisive when he does get forward, and then can't get back in time when possession is lost. Great engine. Complete lack of any game intelligence or real pace.
He isn't defensively good enough to be a top full back. He isn't offensively good enough to be a top wing back. So what do you do with him?
He would be a good squad player to have, but so would Flanagan, McLaughlin or Wisdom. For me, signing another right back is crazy and Manquillo shouldn't have been signed in the first place. We also have Randall in the U21's doing very well.
3.) I disagree I like him alot. Feel he needs a chance
4.) Mate of mine is a Baggies fan and he has said that Wisdom has the turning circle of the QE2 and isn't really very good at right back, personally I think Illori might be better at RCB than Wisdom.
5.) @hjikle, I see what you mean and I do agree in terms of suitability WB isn't as good for Wisdom as FB or CB.
@EMS, I agree with you except I'd go a little further in that I don't think he's stuck in between FB and WB for his best position. I think he lacks quality going forward to be considered a better WB but his positioning, even when playing RB in a back four, is miles off. When he was RB I'd imagine his heat map would have looked more like he was playing right wing - way too far forward for me and didn't add enough of an attacking threat to say it would justify him being there with a DM covering.
In general from initial responses people tend to agree we don't need him anyway. Also Rodgers has been playing Markovic, Ibe and Henderson in the current system so for me I'd be very happy losing both Johnson and Manquillo this summer without purchasing someone new for RWB.
6.) I really rated Manquillo as a huge prospect. The beginning of the season before this system, he looked great made great attacking runs and was very positive. His tracking back has tremendous pace. He's only around 20yrs old adapting to new country and expectations.
I'd like Ilori back for CB competition and keep Manquillo on perm deal if possible.
Get rid of Johnson, who's poor and costly. Flanno, well I don't know much about his injury but not many players come back the same after a season out, how reaccuring is it? Not sure on Wisdom as an improvement, but 50/50 at WBA so far. Be interesting to see him under an organised manager like Pulis.
7.) Wisdom is a solid defender but uninspiring going forward. All he can do is turn and pass it back.
8.) 18 Feb 2015 21:55:18
I think Manquillo's looked better than Wisdom at RB this season, and he's been a bit unlucky that he hasn't featured much since the start of the season because of the formation change - and no-one played particularly well at the start of the season.
9.) Not sure on Wisdom, TBH. Ilori on the other hand, should defo be given a fair chance because he has the pace, the skill, the ability to be a fine CB in a back three for sure, IMO.
10.) Wisdom has played well when he has put a Liverpool shirt on.
I don't care what West Brom fans think about him to be honest as loan players are usually the scapegoats.(Moses last season??)
Wisdom should have been here this season learning in and around the first team. Instead he is not playing and we have a Madrid player not playing but we are paying his wages!!!! Bizzare.
11.) Have to disagree about loan players being scapegoats, Moses was just terrible and just didn't make an effort, compare that with Nicholas Anelka when he was on loan? What my mate has said is that he also lacks concentration and is prone to making a mistake, maybe Pulis can beat that out of him and if he can then maybe we will benefit. But as it stands I would prefer Illori at RCB as he looks a better long term prospect as he is the better footballer technically.
12.) 19 Feb 2015 14:01:05
I see a lot of confidence and praise for Ilori here. Just wondering what the basis for this is. PLEASE do not take this the wrong way, I just mean he has barely played for us (if at all?) He made only a handful of appearances for Granada and the same this season for Bordeaux due to injuries.
I hope he can return next season and compete for a starting place is he is good enough, of course I do, especiallly if we continue with 3 at the back.
I guess the difference between him and Wisodm, for me is that living in Derby I saw Wisdom play a lot last year for the rams and also we've been able to keep an eye this year when WBA play. As a fan, I know what we'd get with Wisdom - with Ilori less so.
One things for sure, a decison needs to made on both their futures come summer. Another season-loan for them both would be terrible and essentially end their careers with us. Bring them back and into the squad or sell. Same with Aspas and Alberto, I think.
{Ed001's Note - so what do you think of Wisdom?}
24 Sep 2020 22:06:40
He's still a very good and proven centre back. Very good centre backs are hard to come by. Would be a great signing for PSG.
21 Sep 2020 21:48:22
I'm with JJ and Magico, 100% agree. Other than VvD it is just Laporte who is clearly better than him in the premiership and he makes every single team.
I've posted something similar a few times when people are on about replacing Joe and no response naming any team in the premiership he wouldn't make.
21 Sep 2020 21:42:05
Gomez is far better than Fabinho at centre back.
I'm ok with Fabinho providing cover but no way would I agree with Fabinho actually being better than Gomez as a center back.
Excellent yesterday but if he playing there regularly I think he'd be caught out (lack of pace and strong but a bit clumsy so I think he would give away a fair few penalties) .
21 Sep 2020 21:34:59
Not sure how people think he would walk in to the Palace team. Batshuayi and Zaha both would be ahead of him and even Jordan Ayew at this stage would also be ahead of him.
Sheff Utd on the other hand, higher up the table but I think it would be easier for him to start there than with Palace.
15 Sep 2020 21:23:22
Hi vonbp, I said you came across as a spoiled child in your other post, sick of reading the why can't we spend loads of money posts. Not my finest moment either but anyway most of us do want the same.
Onwards and upwards 👍.
25 Sep 2020 23:25:34
@IDreamofGini, did you regret us selling David Ngog? Did you think selling Ngog was a mistake?
25 Sep 2020 12:13:32
*the Irish Rover called him Costa not Carlos.
25 Sep 2020 11:14:51
David Ngog level - perfect example of why you can't be taken seriously Harry, always to the extreme with your opinions.
Why are players either amazing or terrible?
It looks like we have outgrown Origi, we are now probably too good for him. David Ngog level, ridiculous comment, Origi is far better than that and deserves more respect.
25 Sep 2020 11:08:51
No need for it and ya noticed the elbow to the face as well, dirty stuff. He'll learn from that.
Madness though, we won by 5 goals and people giving abuse.
24 Sep 2020 23:55:30
The testing worked at least, sound only dropped probably twice. I have 20mins left but the credits have started so I'm nearly hoping for music at this stage 😁.