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09 Jul 2023 12:51:52
Players leaving for free after seeing out their contracts doesn't necessarily mean the club is poorly managed imo. It can suit both sides.

Ox, we needed him to go as he is injured so often and was on big wages. How many offers did we turn down for him last summer? Likely none.

Miner, we got another year of his experience and leadership around the club. He has clearly slowed down so it's a win win for him to leave this summer.

Keita, disaster of a signing. We absolutely would have considered half decent offers for him the last two summers but they didn't come. Just a really bad signing and we are lucky this doesn't happen too often at Liverpool.

Bobby, super player who was brilliant for us. Definitely lost a step with injuries, was loved in the squad but on the pitch he was already replaced (Gakpo) and we couldn't justify adding some years onto his contract to try sell him for £10M. His wages were based on the great form back four years ago, we no longer value him at that level and he is no longer fit and available playing at that level. Letting him go at the end of his contract makes sense. We are well stocked up top.

Now we have Matip and Thiago with a year to go. If we get decent offers for them then that's fine but I don't think it's an issue if they stay this season, help with some experience around the squad and leave for free then next summer. Fine they are on massive wages but that's why I wouldn't be extending their contracts on current terms at least. Transfer fees wise, neither are going to bring in much at their ages and with their injury histories.

Sean Ireland

{Ed001's Note - what is a decent offer? Any offer for Keita, get the s***house out of the city and club where he can harm it and to someone else, should have been taken. Instead we rejected a chance to get rid of him early and have someone else cover a large portion of his obscene salary. That is poor management, something Klopp was guilty of throughout Keita's time, constantly giving him chances at the detriment of youngsters. Let's face it, he could have got a kid out of the local comp who would have offered more to the team than Keita did.

Matip and Thiago can't stay fit, they are paid extremely high wages and should be moved on now. A decent offer for a player who is never fit is any offer that gets them off the wage bill and saves the club paying them.}

1.) 09 Jul 2023 13:08:12
Spot on Ed001 I’ve said this all along.

2.) 09 Jul 2023 13:42:57
I’m intrigued as to what is so bad about Keita’s conduct off the field? As in I have no idea what he was like and did, not that I find his conduct ok ??.

3.) 09 Jul 2023 14:13:19
Ed001 - love that keita response- what passion! Would you say he’s you’re most hated signing? Or does the usual el hadji Diof take that particular title?

{Ed001's Note - oh god Diouf was far worse.}

4.) 09 Jul 2023 14:14:32
Ed001 mate, which club was interested in Naby, you didn’t mention before but can’t remember.

{Ed001's Note - my mind has gone blank now, it was a Bundesliga club I think. Was it RBL? I honestly can't think right now. I have no doubt the moment I click submit it will come to mind.}

5.) 09 Jul 2023 14:53:24
OP, Thiago and Matip cost the club around £20 million in wages a year, yet barely play, due to endless injury problems. Clubs cannot stockpile players in this way.

In order for Klopp to bring in new players, older players need to leave, otherwise the club is financially stricken with an enormous wage bill due to a bloated squad.

The club has senior players in Adrian, Henderson etc to help out with the younger

6.) 09 Jul 2023 16:05:16
Great thread, lads.

7.) 09 Jul 2023 16:02:15
@Ed001 I completely agree on Keita, a disaster of a signing. I just didn't know we had any offers for him, it sounded like each summer we were trying to shift him but nobody was interested, his wages would have been a big deterrent.

We can agree to disagree on Thiago and Matip, I completely understand why you want them gone and I don't want to be arguing when people say things like "never fit" I just think it's a bit pointless discussing extremes. In terms of what I would consider to be a decent offer for them, free transfers just to get the wages off the books is something I would be against, I would rather keep them for the season than do that.

8.) 09 Jul 2023 17:08:15
Thanks 001. Can anyone think of a signing worse than diouf? Not players like Dundee, voronin, etc. more just awful signings! Got to be diouf, right?

9.) 09 Jul 2023 17:41:49
Oh no Diouf is by far the worst for me. Terrible footballer and even worse human being. The only thing about him that makes me smile is that we are living rent free in his head. Can't shut up about LFC or Stevie.

10.) 09 Jul 2023 17:47:50
@Greenflash, wages are high for both Thiago and Matip, I said massive in my OP. In terms of them barely playing due to endless injury problems - sorry but I can't agree on that.

Matip lost his place, played 14 league games out of the 38 but he was an unused sub for 15 more so he was available for 29 of the 38 - he lost his place. Massive wages for squad depth here. I agree not ideal but I don't see Klopp as being willing to replace VvD this season so I can't see us signing another great centre back for the league. Matip gone in 12months gives a bit more time to see if VvD can recover or else signing a half decent guy this summer won't do, it would need to be a clear VvD replacement and I don't see Klopp as realistically considering that yet.

Thiago was overused then, it was as clear as day to all of us watching that he needed to be rested a bit more but he was the one kept on the pitch to thread through the pass forward, the pass the others couldn't see nevermind play. He played 18 of the 38 league games, 14 of those were starts and averaging 82mins per start - we all know that's too much for him in close succession and it wasn't surprising he got injured. We have far better quality now for midfield so Thiago shouldn't be needed to play all the time so he should be available for more of the season. We could do with another season of his vision and passing imo.

And I 100% am not in favour of a bloated squad. Not sure how you got that from my post. I am delighted with our two quality signings but I don't for a second think we will be signing a LCB and DM at the same level. Selling Thiago and Matip for a combined £15M (plus some wages saved vs the new LCB and DM) won't pay for newbies at Mac Allister or Dom's level, fingers crossed that I will be surprised with another quality first team addition but I won't be holding my breath.

11.) 09 Jul 2023 17:56:58
Just keep Thiago for me unless selling him brings funds for a quality replacement. If not, keep him for the season. He has undoubted quality and great for the younger players to learn from.
Someone technical like Barella would be a good replacement if he were to move on.

12.) 09 Jul 2023 18:26:18
@FarmerFC, in terms of the younger players learning from Thiago I think it's exciting to see how much Bajcetic can improve on again this year and Mac Allister already looks superb but a year playing and training with Thiago could be superb for us there too.

If we sell Thiago now then it would be around £10M for him I'd guess so we have to be realistic, Barella has been mentioned by Ed002 as Inter wanting €100M so if Thiago was to go for £10M then maybe it would be to help pay for a replacement more like Thuram but nowhere near Barella's level so that for me is another reason to keep him for the season.

13.) 09 Jul 2023 19:24:17
@Sean Ireland, that's fair enough. I think the fanbase are evenly split on whether to keep Thiago, not so sure about Matip.
I believe Liverpool will definitely sign a defender and 1 more midfielder, so will need to balance the books, hence Matip and Thiago moving on.
There is 2 months of the transfer window to go yet.

14.) 09 Jul 2023 21:26:43
@Greenflash, if we get anything near the quality of Mac Allister and Szob for even one more signing then I would be very happy with that. I'd love an LCB good enough to bench an out of form VvD and a DM good enough to bench an out of form Fabinho but I think it's unlikely we would be able to afford both.

Plenty time left in the window indeed so hopefully some offers will come in for a few of the players we are open to moving on and let's see can they sign some more quality for us ?.



09 Sep 2021 14:53:18
@Ed002 or anyone else that might know - how many days before an international match must a club release their players? Or is it just to be released for the date of the international window?

With the rules in Brazil stating that anyone who arrives from the UK must isolate for 14 days then I believe in order to play, they would have to leave the UK 17 or 18 days before the match. I don't think the national teams have the authority to request them to travel that much in advance of a match. This potential ban is a bit of a farce.

Sean Ireland

{Ed002's Note - You are picking at irrational straws.}

1.) 09 Sep 2021 23:06:23
And there was me thinking I was being rational.

2.) 10 Sep 2021 05:45:17
Did the Brazilian FA (or national team) say that players had to travel 17 or 18 days before the match? I missed that bit.

3.) 10 Sep 2021 08:16:58
@WDW no. When landing in Brazil the rules were that coming from the UK you must isolate for 14 days.

Would that not mean, land, hotel for 14 days and then you are allowed to join your teammates after this for training and the match - this is why I said 17 or 18 days to allow a few days with the team before the match.

Point being, the 14 days is the rule in Brazil so to follow those rules players would have had to leave the UK a lot earlier than the Brazilian FA would have been allowed to request.

If the Brazilian FA didn't get an exemption from the 14 day rule then players would have been flying there to isolate, miss the matches and fly home to isolate again.

I really genuinely thought this was all logical what I am saying here. I'm not trying to take the mick, to follow Brazil's own rules it could never have worked.

4.) 10 Sep 2021 09:17:59
Actually, given what happened at the Brazil v Argentina match with officers storming the pitch to arrest players from Argentina (playing in EPL) suggesting they falsified paperwork for entry, it should perhaps be the case that FIFA needs to look at how Brazil has behaved and makes Sean's question pertinent. It is not irrational to talk of the 14-day rule because THAT rule formed part of the case against the players when Brazilian authorities pursued Martinez, Romero, Buendia and Lo Celso. Brazil is clearly angry that their players weren't released and so their authorities got the game abandoned by storming the game five minutes in. WHY these matches were not played at neutral and safe venues baffles me. the USA would have made a lot of sense.

5.) 10 Sep 2021 11:48:32
I think the US would have been a no go, they currently (I think it is still in place) have a presidential order in place barring non US citizens from traveling there.

6.) 10 Sep 2021 12:06:42
I think Reynard's point still stands, if Brazil did not want people flying in to the country from the UK then could the Brazilian FA looked at finding a safer country to play their match.

That would mean giving up home advantage but it is their own countries health restrictions that anyone flying in from the UK is to isolate for 14 days. If all the Brazilian players travelled then their health authority should have been taking them off the pitch 5mins in to the match as well v Argentina - utter madness and it just shows that they did not think the match through.

7.) 10 Sep 2021 12:27:47
So given the rules being as they what do you think will happen the next time Brazil play a home qualifier in Brazil and chose to select Ali, Fabs and Bobby?

{Ed002's Note - They have five games over the next 8 weeks, two of which are at home. The will select the players and depending what happens in terms of an offer made by two of the English sides they will pick the players and in not released will invoke the five day rule twice more.}

8.) 10 Sep 2021 16:45:56
Surely an exemption to the 14 day isolating rule will be agreed by then with the Brazilian health authorities.

If someone can prove that they have been vaccinated, tests negative before leaving the UK, tests negative after landing in Brazil, then it would make sense to reduce the 14 days rule - of course this is just my opinion.

9.) 11 Sep 2021 01:07:00
Good to hear the lads are allowed to play now so no ban 👍

Will be interesting to see if any plans are made for the next batch of international fixtures.



18 Aug 2021 20:36:38
@Ed002 do we have any interest in Raphinha from Leeds? I would expect that we cannot afford him, however you mentioned in another post that Leeds are interested in Adama Traore from Wolves. Both play on the right wing so if Leeds are interested then it might be as a replacement for Raphinha.

I know you could comment that signing Raphinha would be to replace Salah but I think Salah would be great in the centre as well.

Also, if we are interested in £40M players like Traore and Sarr then maybe Raphinha would not be completely out of reach (I would suspect £55M maybe) .

Sean Ireland

{Ed002's Note - He is one of many players Liverpool has no interest in.}

1.) 18 Aug 2021 20:43:15
Eds2 could you do a list of all the players Liverpool have absolutely no interest in?

2.) 18 Aug 2021 20:48:41
Ok thanks Ed002, gutting but appreciate your insight as always. Have a good evening 👍.

3.) 18 Aug 2021 21:18:45
Ed2 do we hold an interest in Bernard and has he handed in a transfer request?

4.) 19 Aug 2021 07:50:35
Mighty Reds - Whilst Bernardo Silva is a very talented player and would surely be of interest to most teams, I can categorically state that he will never play for Liverpool. This man sung flippantly about our fans being attacked - one of whom so badly that he suffered brain damage. He followed this up with his unpleasant behaviour during the guard of honour given to us by City, showing no respect to a team that had won the Premier League in the record fewest number of games.

5.) 19 Aug 2021 08:20:09
Bernardo Silva? Talented footballer that would add to any team. Slime bucket of a character that is not required in our team.

Or were you asking about Bernard the Brazilian? He's left the EPL I think and is off somewhere in Turkey.



25 Jul 2021 23:39:32
Gini didn't have his best season last season, still played absolutely loads but not the impact any of us (or himself) would have wanted. He got abused online for his performances and he didn't like the abuse or some of it anyway and he has said that now.

Whoop di do. No idea why people would be upset by this. If he spent last season reading tonnes of abuse why would he want to sign a new contract. He has moved on, now let's go get someone to replace him and that's that.

Sean Ireland

1.) 26 Jul 2021 07:30:23
Let it go mate.

2.) 26 Jul 2021 12:12:30
@WDW, let it go was what I said if you read my post.



24 Aug 2015 22:19:07
Great result, great first half and good determination shown at least in the 2nd half.

A lot of positives for me - Migs overall was very good, Gomez had a good game and doesn't shy away from anything, Clyne had a very good game, Lucas was man of the match for me, Milner done well and very pleased with Benteke only he should have scored.

Sean Ireland

1.) 24 Aug 2015 22:43:54
Meant to say Coutinho played well too he worked hard and was always a threat, obviously unlucky not to get another great goal.

2.) 24 Aug 2015 22:46:26
Not sure Lucas was man of the match? Mignolet and the back four should share that. Again Benteke showed himself all game doing everything right. If he had scored then it would have been perfect.

3.) 25 Aug 2015 00:38:02
Lucas made countless interceptions and started numerous quick counter attacks. He only gave away one half needless foul and he didn't waste anything.

Of the back 4 both full backs fair enough but both centre backs played well but still had too many mistakes each and were still a little all over the place positioning wise.




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30 Aug 2023 18:23:39
Ndidi's legs looked absolutely gone last season, looked like he was trying to run carrying a 20kgs weighted vest!

Quality over quantity needed for signings.

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18 Aug 2023 12:04:15
@Plovdiv, Ed002 has referred to Gravenberch as a versatile midfielder listing him for DM, CM and AM.

Of course this would be the Endo the midfield signings this summer if both arrive.

A defender hopefully would still be possible.

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15 Aug 2023 12:52:13
@hailstones, burn the club down is my take on what you mean by ruthlessness ? we need to keep our best players, can't you see we are struggling enough to replace the ones who were struggling ?.

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15 Aug 2023 12:49:34
I would see him as one of the worst options we have been linked with. He's injured loads, I don't think he's very good, now it sounds like his wages were more than Chelsea wanted to pay, plus Ed001 flagged another issue yesterday (from memory I think it was an attitude or ego type thing) .

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14 Aug 2023 17:36:12
Bajcetic is absolutely ready and will be a part of our first team squad. One extreme to another, he's not the best midfielder in the world but he's also not just some kid - he has already shown great promise. 25 first team appearances in all competitions this season (hopefully he won't be out injured for long) and let him continue his development. Great to have him.

@ViktorV, big time agree Kalvin Phillips as dross but definitely not Palhinha - not sure are there many better than him at winning a ball! He's injured and expensive too anyway but he is not dross!

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18 Sep 2023 09:49:49
This is a joke obviously and that's fine. Looking through the Utd squad I can see one player who would massively improve us but that's it for me, just the one. Zero interest obviously.

It's Casemiro I'm referring to - this would be on the basis that he would find his legs of course as it seems they are still on their summer holidays ?.

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18 Sep 2023 09:46:00
For me, I see him as a midfielder rather than a right winger. Fair enough he can cover there a bit and that's fine for him to gain experience but I think he will end up more of a number 8 type midfielder and I think he will make a great one at that.

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30 Aug 2023 20:57:47
There's no way we would be adding Gravenberch and another DM as well, need to get real.

A versatile defender would be far more important.

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30 Aug 2023 18:34:04
Klopp playing Gakpo in midfield was a mistake, or at least doing so in a midfield three. It's fine dropping back from CF like Bobby did but actually starting as an 8, we weren't actually that stuck.

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30 Aug 2023 18:27:32
If we got Andre in Jan, that would be Thiago's replacement.

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