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19 Aug 2014 13:12:59
So apparently Suarez went for £65 million quid, not £75m. Absolute outrage, Ayre should be sacked, as well as Rodgers, and Gerrard and the lady who makes the teas at Melwood while we are at it

stuie_boy

{Ed002's Note - The total amount that went to Liverpool after a small payment to Ajax, converted in to Sterling at today's rate, is a £62M and change. There would then be a few other costs that the club has to pay - and that would need to be deducted. I did explain this at the time, so can we finally now put this to bed.}


1.) 19 Aug 2014 14:14:47
Thanks a lot for the figure ed
hope it finally ends all the suarez figures saga

{Ed002's Note - It is actually the same figure I gave at the time, but it has now appeared in the UEFA database.}


2.) Alot of us don't really factor in agent fees and a lot of these fees are documented in the annual reports. In some cases, there weren't. In the case of Suarez, we do not know what the proportions were. Even if it was 75m, LFC won't get 75m in total and I imagine something in the line of 65m would sound rather reasonable.

{Ed002's Note - Barcelona were responsible for the agent fees as buyers. You are making numbers up.}


3.) 19 Aug 2014 15:14:57
Is the UEFA database something that is publicly accessible, Ed002? Doesn't seem so as I can't seem to find it if it is?

{Ed002's Note - It is not in the public domain but those that provide the start of season data to Transfermarkt use that data. It is maintained as part of a commercial database that has to be purchased (newspapers, clubs, television companies, press agencies etc. buy it). It is maintained on a regular basis although some (like Transfermarkt) don't take the updates so I would not entirely rely on their data.}


4.) 19 Aug 2014 15:17:51
Yet again another reason why we never ask figures on the forum, when will the lads totally understand that this is not an easy issue to understand if not in the thick of things, thanks for the response though Ed002

{Ed002's Note - As a reminder for transfer fees, what is paid by the buying club would typically include:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £25M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years leading to this window).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches(what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).

What is paid by the selling club would typically include:
(a) If the player is under 24, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(b) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(c) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding owed wages (not future wages) and bonuses).


5.) 19 Aug 2014 16:44:04
Big deal, I used to care about how much we spend and wages for the club and ect. But to be fair we are not the owners, we don't spend the money ourselves and also we don't even get to pick our targets. So why do we care?

{Ed002's Note - You should care that the club is well run from a financial perspective. Portsmouth, Leeds, etc..}


6.) 19 Aug 2014 17:40:34
They are professional business men, funding their own money. They are the best people for it. the person who will be most angry in losing millions is the board more than the fans its there money lol they will do what's best for own company. no need to worry.


7.) Suarez as gone its time to move on. I think ed2 said at the time the only one to blame why we didn't get more for Suarez was the man himself and his behavior. As I say time for a new star to be born.


8.) 19 Aug 2014 19:28:17
Thanks, Ed002. Makes sense.


9.) 19 Aug 2014 23:09:28
So we only got 15m more for Suarez than Chelsea got for for David luiz.Sounds wrong but a player that wants to go and tends to get himself in trouble too much 40m profit we will take that and move on imo.

{Ed002's Note - I am pretty certain that this is nothing to do with Chelsea. Why this embarrassing obsession?}


10.) 20 Aug 2014 04:13:40
Ed002, I seem to recall at the time of the Suarez transfer you said the fee was £72 million give or take a few hundred thousand £'s.

{Ed002's Note - It was £63M and that was discussed at the time.}


11.) 20 Aug 2014 11:50:27
There is no obsession with Chelsea Ed002 I was simply making sense of transfer prices of players 1 being 1 of the best players in the world and the other being average imo, but I do think Suarez behaviour brought our price down its just luiz did leave Chelsea so they got mentioned

{Ed002's Note - The price of a central defender sold by Chelsea has no relevance to the price of a striker sold by Liverpool nor the height of the Delhi Dynamos' goalkeeper.}


 

 

19 Aug 2014 11:18:32
Hi Ed/s, what's happening with Luis Alberto? I see Llori has gone on loan, any news on Alberto? I would be quite interested to see him get some cup games

stuie_boy

{Ed002's Note - He has gone. Moved to Malaga for a year and then I would think will be sold next summer.}


1.) If he has a really good season, do you still think we'll sell him ed?

{Ed002's Note - I really don't think he is in the plans going forward any more than the majority of the players Rodgers has purchased.}


2.) I thought he was one for the future? Any idea what happened EDs?

{Ed002's Note - My views on many of the purchases of BR have been explained. Take the search engine for a run.}


3.) I would add Ilori, Assaidi and Borini to the 'weird transfer decisions' pile along with Sahin. Not sure what the deal is with Sakho either. Have to agree that thus far, by and large, we seem to spend a fair amount of money rather ineffectively.


4.) I'd like to see Llori given a chance at Liverpool, he's only 20/21. I've got a lot of Spanish mates, Granada and Sevilla fans mainly, and they feel he has a lot of potential. Can't say I have seen much of him myself though.


5.) Luis Alberto was done for drink driving as well - not a great way to endear yourself to the coaching staff.


6.) I believe Llori is considered "one for the future" and possibly for next season.
I think the hope is he pushes on while at Boudreaux and can possibly stake a claim next season.

On another note. I have to agree that most of BR signings haven't worked out and not surprised a committee make the decisions now.

Eds, do you think that BR gives a wish list to the committee or possibly just a list of positions that need strengthening? Does it then just mean the committee are the "directors of football" and didn't Rodgers not want that when he was at appointed?


7.) Ilori imo.


 

 

06 Aug 2014 13:14:12
Manquillo signed on loan. 2 years or one?

stuie_boy

1.) Two year loan with the option to buy after the first year


2.) 06 Aug 2014 13:46:58
2 with an option to buy at the end of year one

Very strange


3.) Initially 2 years but with an option to buy after the first year


4.) 06 Aug 2014 14:00:18
2 Years. Liverpool have the option to make it permenant on a fee after one year.


5.) That is a strange one. In his interview he seemed to hint that he wants to stay 'for many years'.


6.) Read elsewhere we have the option to buy after the second year, Atletico have the option to pay a penalty and take the player back after 1 year. No idea if that's true or not though.


7.) Don't think its that strange, other than why AM would want to let him go if he is so good - maybe he always dreamed of the EPL?

Clearly Liverpool & Manquillo expect it to be a long term stay, but we have an option not to buy him if he doesn't perform.


 

 

 

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28 Jun 2019 22:33:14
Ed002, I think Mo might need a refund on that PR campaign! On another note, watch the UEFA short film on YouTube. Behind the scenes footage and shows some good bits. Robbo with the flag at the end with VVD.

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1.) 28 Jun 2019 23:33:07
It was cool to actually hear what the ref was saying in that movie. He is a good ref. The production of that movie is class.


2.) 29 Jun 2019 10:25:17
Whats it called.


 

 

03 Jun 2019 20:16:30
My uncle in Liverpool does all the framing for the club and privately for the players. They popped into the shop on Sunday for some bits and they had old Big Ears with them, turns out they didn't want to leave it in the car! Needless to say, my uncle was made up, got some great snaps with it!

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1.) 03 Jun 2019 20:40:40
Post the pics stuie 👍🏻.


 

 

25 Apr 2019 18:40:20
Big game in the FA youth cup tonight, Liverpool vc Man City. Seems the FA favoritism extends to City's youth teams as well judging by how the FA refused to change the match date! It's on BT sport by the way.

stuie_boy

1.) 25 Apr 2019 19:32:29
Good luck to the lads. Anyone know how that midfielder is getting on. The lad we paid quite a lot for. Eastern European i think.


2.) 25 Apr 2019 20:38:05
Why is that favouritism? It’s on a certain day, play it then.


3.) 25 Apr 2019 20:45:06
1-0 to City at Half Time, it is a miracle we are only getting beat 1-0, if it was a boxing match the ref would of stopped it by now, city scored in 45th minute. We had one attack and it was cleared off the line. Just can't get the ball everyone out of position (michael owen commented during interval)

Big changes needed at half time, he has Glatzel playing left wing and Duncan right wing. Playing a diamond has not worked go back to basics or were dead ducks.


4.) 25 Apr 2019 21:33:01
Quack!


5.) 25 Apr 2019 21:39:23
Was more tongue in cheek Firmane. But LFC requested the match day be changed as they were playing in Dallas in the Dallas cup and would have only returned 2 nights ago. The club had to come back early at "great expense" and had to field weakened teams for the remainder of the Dallas cup. They took it to the FA after asking City directly, both refused.


6.) 25 Apr 2019 21:40:16
Duncan just equalised with a rocket from 30 yards playing stoppage time 4 mins. Why hasn't Curtis Jones (17) and Hoever (17) who made his first team debut against Wolves not playing.

Extra Time to be played now 1-1.We have 2 subs available, city none.


7.) 25 Apr 2019 22:00:50
Still 1-1.another 15 mins to play then Pens.


8.) 25 Apr 2019 22:16:56
1-1 after extra time, now its penalties.


9.) 25 Apr 2019 22:30:21
Liverpool won on penalties after City not being aawrded stonewall penalty for handball in extra time.


10.) 25 Apr 2019 22:31:36
Congrats to the Lads, won on pens. Some decent penalties in there too.


11.) 25 Apr 2019 22:37:14
Well done to the young lads were getting battered in the first half but good coaching at half time to get them back in the game and we'll deserved win on penalties which by the way the penalties taken were all fantastic now let's hope that this could be a omen and just like the juniors the seniors can lift a trophy depriving man City of a trophy.


12.) 25 Apr 2019 22:45:17
Won it on penalties: well done.


13.) 25 Apr 2019 23:42:46
An omen 🏆.


14.) 26 Apr 2019 07:40:12
With you there Ron. 👌.


15.) 25 Apr 2019 22:43:24
And we're not dead ducks 007 - we've won the FA Youth cup.


16.) 26 Apr 2019 10:19:44
Think the club think Jones and Jana Hoever are too good for u18's already and i agree with them.


17.) 26 Apr 2019 16:26:43
I can't wait for duncan to break through into the senior team. I think he is going to be the next big home grown player. If he has a quarter of the passion his cousin had he will be a revelation.


18.) 26 Apr 2019 18:11:53
Liverpool snatch the trophy from Man city.
Omen?
Well done boys I hope that some can graduate to the first team.


19.) 26 Apr 2019 18:13:58
Get in Paul Glatzel! Great effort from the kids tonight and the first of 3 trophies for Liverpool this season!


 

 

08 Mar 2019 08:39:54
Hi Ed002, it's being reported FIFA are genuinely looking into capping agents fees which would also need to be paid by the player they are representing. Could you shed any more light on this and if it is being seriously looked at at all? I think it'd be an extremely positive step for football if it were to go ahead. Thanks.

stuie_boy

{Ed002's Note - FIFA raised the issue last summer but it is only a part of some larger discussions. To have the players pay simply won't work out; the discussion of a cap is to include an alternative of a fixed percentage of the transfer fee, but the concern is that transfer fees could be pushed up; but the re-introduction of licensing has support of most - it means intermediaries will lose out but registered agents who have to meet a code of conduct; The FA want to tighten the situation with agents further by saying they must have a UK bank account at a major bank.}


1.) 08 Mar 2019 14:05:53
Can’t happen soon enough IMO - maybe not a fixed percentage as different deals involve different levels of involvement, but there should at the very least be a cap and full disclosure. The murky waters just make it prone to shady back room deals and exploitation of the players and the system.

{Ed002's Note - There is already full disclosure. I am not sure what your last sentence is referring to.}


 

 

16 Feb 2019 11:19:49
Bit of a random one. Anyone know a decent plays to watch the big one on 24th Feb in Hanoi?

stuie_boy

1.) 16 Feb 2019 12:03:02
If you find somewhere in Hanoi, don't sit by any man utd fans you might ANNOY them! bum bum.


2.) 16 Feb 2019 12:30:51
*sigh (gon) . From my travels, I've noticed it's very much split between united and LFC fans in this part of the world.


3.) 16 Feb 2019 14:56:30
Hanoi doesn’t really have much of a nightlife, but there was a few bars that I’m sure will be showing the game. I will be watching in Hoi An, looks to be plenty of sports bars looking online.


4.) 16 Feb 2019 16:31:09
Cobra, I'm currently in Da Nang, though think I will have moved on by the game. Heading to Hoi An tomorrow. If you change your plans and end up in Hanoi give me a shout.


5.) 16 Feb 2019 17:04:49
I’d recommend puku sports bar in Hanoi. Open 24 hours a day and the foods not bad either especially if you feel the need for something western (gotta be done sometimes when you’ve been in Asia for a while! ) . They’ve got sofas and screens upstairs but get there early if you want a decent seat. Hoi An has a decent sports bar, can’t remember the name (something about a dragon? ) . You might struggle to find somewhere open late enough to watch what would be an evening kick off in the UK though. Also watch out for the shots in the late night bars in Hoi An, they’ll rip your insides out!


6.) 16 Feb 2019 21:28:41
As FrankieSaysYNWA Puku bar is your best option mate (at least in my experience) . Hanoi doesn't have the best nightlife, but Puku is open 24hr. Great city otherwise though and the day trips to Ha Long Bay are incredible.

If you make your way down to Ho Chi Minh and need any recommendations give me a shout, lived there for nearly a decade while growing up.


7.) 17 Feb 2019 02:33:17
Puku it is by the sounds of it. Think it's a 1pm KO in the UK? Thanks for the tips. Ho Chi Minh was incredible, will be heading back I think.


 

 

 

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01 Jul 2019 11:47:37
Another loan to Hertha. Apparently LFC have financial penalties in place should Hertha not play him enough. Am I the only one that sees the irony in that?

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28 Jun 2019 21:17:22
Not technically a swap, but Barcelona and Valencia just bought each other's GK's!

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31 May 2019 22:39:22
I do get that, but that's all assumptions and worst case. Unless a front three player leaves, origi and Brewster are adequate. Don't forget, Shaqiri can play higher up too. We have other positions that need to be filled and I don't think as fans we should be expecting a forward player let alone a £50+million player.

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31 May 2019 21:39:47
Completely agree Ed, I meant it was your point not Nab's in my previous comment, worded that wrong. But yes, I think the clubs intention is keep what we have, get Sturridge off the books and integrate Brewster. Klopp seems genuinely excited whenever he is asked about him as well, hopefully has a bright future.

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31 May 2019 20:56:49
Nab, the point is, people keep talking about rotation etc but why would Klopp do that. Why buy a "quality" front player to rotate unnecessarily? Correct me if I'm wrong Ed002, but I think his point is the club will push through someone like Brewster and keep Origi as the rotation options as why change a winning formula when it doesn't need to be changed. Our front three are not fatigued and not particularly injury prone, so there is not really a need for heavy rotation that will merely just dampen the results.

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{Ed002's Note - My expectation, and what Brewster has been told, is that he will be integrated in to the squad. It seems many think Klopp is lying again.}


 

 

 

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27 Aug 2019 07:01:54
3 years is a long time in football. Funny how people say Gerrard should gain experience first etc who's to say in the next 3 years he won't? I don't particularly care at this stage what names are thrown about as they mean absolutely nothing.

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11 Aug 2019 00:28:28
Kelleher is recoveringfrom hand surgery isn't he?

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29 Jun 2019 23:07:02
The Copa America is on at the minute plus the women's world cup.

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20 Jun 2019 08:01:53
Basically, fees are generally paid over the length of the contract but it is no doubt much more complicated than that and something not worth delving into.

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08 Jun 2019 22:35:21
Nevada, Juan Mata started a cause where something like 5% of the weekly salary gets donated to charity and he has encouraged several other players to sign up to it I believe, though sadly not too many.

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