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19 Aug 2014 13:12:59
So apparently Suarez went for £65 million quid, not £75m. Absolute outrage, Ayre should be sacked, as well as Rodgers, and Gerrard and the lady who makes the teas at Melwood while we are at it


{Ed002's Note - The total amount that went to Liverpool after a small payment to Ajax, converted in to Sterling at today's rate, is a £62M and change. There would then be a few other costs that the club has to pay - and that would need to be deducted. I did explain this at the time, so can we finally now put this to bed.}

1.) 19 Aug 2014 14:14:47
Thanks a lot for the figure ed
hope it finally ends all the suarez figures saga

{Ed002's Note - It is actually the same figure I gave at the time, but it has now appeared in the UEFA database.}

2.) Alot of us don't really factor in agent fees and a lot of these fees are documented in the annual reports. In some cases, there weren't. In the case of Suarez, we do not know what the proportions were. Even if it was 75m, LFC won't get 75m in total and I imagine something in the line of 65m would sound rather reasonable.

{Ed002's Note - Barcelona were responsible for the agent fees as buyers. You are making numbers up.}

3.) 19 Aug 2014 15:14:57
Is the UEFA database something that is publicly accessible, Ed002? Doesn't seem so as I can't seem to find it if it is?

{Ed002's Note - It is not in the public domain but those that provide the start of season data to Transfermarkt use that data. It is maintained as part of a commercial database that has to be purchased (newspapers, clubs, television companies, press agencies etc. buy it). It is maintained on a regular basis although some (like Transfermarkt) don't take the updates so I would not entirely rely on their data.}

4.) 19 Aug 2014 15:17:51
Yet again another reason why we never ask figures on the forum, when will the lads totally understand that this is not an easy issue to understand if not in the thick of things, thanks for the response though Ed002

{Ed002's Note - As a reminder for transfer fees, what is paid by the buying club would typically include:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £25M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years leading to this window).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches(what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).

What is paid by the selling club would typically include:
(a) If the player is under 24, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(b) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(c) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding owed wages (not future wages) and bonuses).

5.) 19 Aug 2014 16:44:04
Big deal, I used to care about how much we spend and wages for the club and ect. But to be fair we are not the owners, we don't spend the money ourselves and also we don't even get to pick our targets. So why do we care?

{Ed002's Note - You should care that the club is well run from a financial perspective. Portsmouth, Leeds, etc..}

6.) 19 Aug 2014 17:40:34
They are professional business men, funding their own money. They are the best people for it. the person who will be most angry in losing millions is the board more than the fans its there money lol they will do what's best for own company. no need to worry.

7.) Suarez as gone its time to move on. I think ed2 said at the time the only one to blame why we didn't get more for Suarez was the man himself and his behavior. As I say time for a new star to be born.

8.) 19 Aug 2014 19:28:17
Thanks, Ed002. Makes sense.

9.) 19 Aug 2014 23:09:28
So we only got 15m more for Suarez than Chelsea got for for David luiz.Sounds wrong but a player that wants to go and tends to get himself in trouble too much 40m profit we will take that and move on imo.

{Ed002's Note - I am pretty certain that this is nothing to do with Chelsea. Why this embarrassing obsession?}

10.) 20 Aug 2014 04:13:40
Ed002, I seem to recall at the time of the Suarez transfer you said the fee was £72 million give or take a few hundred thousand £'s.

{Ed002's Note - It was £63M and that was discussed at the time.}

11.) 20 Aug 2014 11:50:27
There is no obsession with Chelsea Ed002 I was simply making sense of transfer prices of players 1 being 1 of the best players in the world and the other being average imo, but I do think Suarez behaviour brought our price down its just luiz did leave Chelsea so they got mentioned

{Ed002's Note - The price of a central defender sold by Chelsea has no relevance to the price of a striker sold by Liverpool nor the height of the Delhi Dynamos' goalkeeper.}



19 Aug 2014 11:18:32
Hi Ed/s, what's happening with Luis Alberto? I see Llori has gone on loan, any news on Alberto? I would be quite interested to see him get some cup games


{Ed002's Note - He has gone. Moved to Malaga for a year and then I would think will be sold next summer.}

1.) If he has a really good season, do you still think we'll sell him ed?

{Ed002's Note - I really don't think he is in the plans going forward any more than the majority of the players Rodgers has purchased.}

2.) I thought he was one for the future? Any idea what happened EDs?

{Ed002's Note - My views on many of the purchases of BR have been explained. Take the search engine for a run.}

3.) I would add Ilori, Assaidi and Borini to the 'weird transfer decisions' pile along with Sahin. Not sure what the deal is with Sakho either. Have to agree that thus far, by and large, we seem to spend a fair amount of money rather ineffectively.

4.) I'd like to see Llori given a chance at Liverpool, he's only 20/21. I've got a lot of Spanish mates, Granada and Sevilla fans mainly, and they feel he has a lot of potential. Can't say I have seen much of him myself though.

5.) Luis Alberto was done for drink driving as well - not a great way to endear yourself to the coaching staff.

6.) I believe Llori is considered "one for the future" and possibly for next season.
I think the hope is he pushes on while at Boudreaux and can possibly stake a claim next season.

On another note. I have to agree that most of BR signings haven't worked out and not surprised a committee make the decisions now.

Eds, do you think that BR gives a wish list to the committee or possibly just a list of positions that need strengthening? Does it then just mean the committee are the "directors of football" and didn't Rodgers not want that when he was at appointed?

7.) Ilori imo.



06 Aug 2014 13:14:12
Manquillo signed on loan. 2 years or one?


1.) Two year loan with the option to buy after the first year

2.) 06 Aug 2014 13:46:58
2 with an option to buy at the end of year one

Very strange

3.) Initially 2 years but with an option to buy after the first year

4.) 06 Aug 2014 14:00:18
2 Years. Liverpool have the option to make it permenant on a fee after one year.

5.) That is a strange one. In his interview he seemed to hint that he wants to stay 'for many years'.

6.) Read elsewhere we have the option to buy after the second year, Atletico have the option to pay a penalty and take the player back after 1 year. No idea if that's true or not though.

7.) Don't think its that strange, other than why AM would want to let him go if he is so good - maybe he always dreamed of the EPL?

Clearly Liverpool & Manquillo expect it to be a long term stay, but we have an option not to buy him if he doesn't perform.




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18 Mar 2021 14:32:02
So not a single LFC player in the England squad. Whilst I don't really follow international football as much as I used to, it is slightly disappointing.


{Ed077's Note - it's a blessing if you ask me, and not in disguise either. Players get a bit of rest, less injury risk and more time to work on the team for Klopp and co. in training

1.) 18 Mar 2021 15:01:21
What is disappointing about it, OP? The players like Gomez and Hendo who would have made the squad, are injured anyway. Makes sense to me. At the same, the less our players get picked the better and long may that continue, IMO.

2.) 18 Mar 2021 15:31:39
Thats great news. Trent can sit down and put his feet up.

3.) 18 Mar 2021 16:05:54
Am made up to be honest.

4.) 18 Mar 2021 16:50:15
Absolutely great news, why give him to that dross for 2 weeks.

5.) 18 Mar 2021 17:26:50
We may be glad no lfc players are in the England squad, but I'd doubt the players feel that way. I'd say trent is bitterly disappointed not to be involved. Which may work in our favor as he'll be out to prove a point before the euros in the summer.

{Ed077's Note - I see the Trent omission more as an attempt to look at other players like Luke Shaw and Reece James. I would assume TAA is pretty much nailed on for the Euros.

As a Man Utd supporter I am personally a bit disappointed that Rashford has been called up. The likes of TAA and Rashy wont show Southgate or anyone else something we dont already know.}

6.) 18 Mar 2021 17:29:48
It’s fantastic news plenty of rest Notting disappointing about it!

7.) 18 Mar 2021 17:49:53
I’m with you Ed077 is a blessing in plain sight. The less Liverpool players go on international duty the better this couple of weeks, a well earned rest and recuperation period is needed.

{Ed077's Note - "Ed077 is a blessing in plain sight." Thank you:-P}

8.) 18 Mar 2021 17:57:53
Hopefully this is the kick up the @r5e Trent needs to get him back up to speed. He doesn’t really have much competition at Liverpool but for England there are plenty that would be glad to take his place.
And he gets a rest too and time to work on his game.
Win/ win from our point of view. It wouldn’t surprise me if Michael Edwards has negotiated it!

9.) 18 Mar 2021 19:25:30
I agree. I think he's been poor this season. Hopefully he'll be back to his best next season.

10.) 18 Mar 2021 20:19:15
I disagree. Whilst it's great for us armchair supporters at home, playing for your country is the pinnacle of being a professional athlete, regardless of what you think of international football. I enjoy seeing Liverpool players representing England as it shows they are at the top of their game. I am sure Trent isn't sharing your enthuasim in not being picked and thinking it's great he can put his feet up, if he was, I would be disappointed in his professionalism.

{Ed0666's Note - playing for you’re country under Southgate surely can’t be the pinnacle of anything can it?

11.) 18 Mar 2021 21:11:23
Haha, As much as that may be true, the players are representing the country, not an individual.

12.) 18 Mar 2021 21:26:26
Is wan bissaka called up? Weird how Southgate has forgotten about the two best English rbs.

{Ed077's Note - nope. I think he is considering switching countries because of being overlooked so often.

13.) 18 Mar 2021 21:57:45
Plus less travelling means less chance of trent getting a positive C.V. test think we will see a few of them pop up after internationals.

14.) 18 Mar 2021 22:13:33
What has 2 thumbs and couldn't give a crap about the national team?
Ooops, realised you can't see my physical gesture.

15.) 18 Mar 2021 20:38:51
The problem for Trent now is, after these friendlies the next squad to be picked is the ones for the Euros. If other players play well in the next 2 weeks, it is going to be harder for him to break into the squad.



09 Mar 2021 21:12:43
And we thought VAR in the PL was ridiculous. This Dortmund game is embarrassing, what is going on!


1.) 09 Mar 2021 22:43:44
I haven't seen what happened in the Dortmund game, but generally whenever I watch European football, I always notice that refereeing seems to be so much better in Europe than in the English game.

I wandered to the PL website to see the list of PGMOL Special Group of referees who police the PL games, and it struck me that all of the PL referees are ethnically British. I don't think it is anything to do with race- but I do find it hard to believe that an attempt to find the top 19 individuals in any profession in the UK will lead to finding 19 white men. I get a feeling that it's a closed club of lads who are looking out for each other, not really recruiting based on merit, and this is likely the reason for such utter incompetency.

2.) 10 Mar 2021 06:00:47
More than a few assumptions in your post, hhanif005, but a pretty rotten system if you are right.

3.) 10 Mar 2021 09:01:39
hhanif005, it is like the mafia down there in the PGMOL, it seems cos they are so quick to cover for each other and ALWAYS circle the wagons as soon as there is blowback.

4.) 10 Mar 2021 09:13:07
Im not sure Klopp will be keen on letting too many seniors to leave this summer.

But selling Origi and Shaq and replacing them with Elliot and Taki will be a good move.

Bobby is tired. In fact the front 3 seem mentally drained. Devoid of ideas and seem to be running into to each other on the field. No synergy which is expected.

Also, replacing the front 3 is a tricky one because you would want the same caliber if not better to come in. But Haaland and Mbappe are a no. So if the front 3 click again, will it be necessary to sell?

But if they don't and they continue to fade, the likes of Sarr, Daka and Raphinha will do.




10 Feb 2021 22:11:30
Why is the FA allowing extra time this season in the FA Cup?! It just seems very bizarre under the circumstances.


1.) 11 Feb 2021 12:54:00
To avoid replays and more games in a packed schedule.

2.) 11 Feb 2021 17:29:29
I was more meaning why don't they just go straight to a shoot out after normal time.



13 Jan 2021 11:07:54
Ed's, probably more suited to Ed002, I have a question about football in general that I was pondering recently. I see City Football Group has partnered with Bolivar in Bolivia. This is slightly different o their other deals as they haven't actually purchased a stake in the club itself, but will share info and methods etc. Do you have any insight into what City Groups ambitions and aims are for the long term? They take a lot of stick for being 'sugar daddies' but to me, they seem like the only actual owners who are constantly putting back into the game and improving not just Man City, but clubs all over the world.
I understand the benefits for them, they get access to players from said clubs and get the local scouting networks, but what impressed me with the Bolivar deal, is that Bolivar will actually gain full access to City's methods and tactics. This brings me to my questions, what is in for them? Also, are there rules in places regarding partnering with clubs and outright owning clubs, when does it become a conflict of interest, if at all? Are there policies in place to stop companies like City Group just buying hundreds of smaller clubs around the world? As always, any info shared is much appreciated.


{Ed002's Note - City Football Group are looking to build a world-wide portfolio and to exploit the opportunities to have younger players train and play within their own group before stepping up to the higher-end clubs. The model is working well and others are looking to start to do this on a smaller scale. Originally two European clubs, one English, were on the list for MLS Franchises and both regret not taking them up when the opportunity arose. You will see more of this in the future. It is a business proposition not a plan to dominate through ownership. There are provisions in place to stop the buying of directly competing clubs - a sticky issue Red Bull had to address already.}

1.) 13 Jan 2021 11:36:49
Thanks for the response Ed. It seems like it will be good for the game as it will improve facilities in countries who don't have the foundations in place to get young kids trained up, but at the same time, it seems it could also create even more control and power for the larger, richer clubs, getting first dibs on the best young players. In your opinion, do you see this as a positive thing for world football?

{Ed002's Note - It is going to happen regardless and those looking to globalise football and tournaments will be for it whilst it suits their needs. There are some club ownerss simply looking to exploit the game for money, and other who care a great deal about the game and don't want to see this happening. Business in China are looking to expand and there is now a shift coming in Europe and I would expect to see further investment in European sides - there is one organization looking hard at Germany and another already successful in buying in to Italy. They of course have to work within certain legal ownership frameworks and that will restrict investment in certain countries. Do not be surprised to see another English side be taken over by Chinese owners in the not too distant future.}

2.) 13 Jan 2021 14:08:18
A sign of the times I guess, unfortunately. Thanks again for the answers.

3.) 13 Jan 2021 16:41:10
Eds, 'another English side be taken over by Chinese owners in the not too distant future. ' Are you aware of discussions with a particular club or is this just a broad statement of inevitability?

{Ed002's Note - There have been discussions with a club.}



28 Dec 2020 13:24:48
I've seen a lot of posts bemoaning the team for not beating WBA yesterday. Yes, it was frustrating, but I agree with Ed001 here, why are fans so adamant we deserved to win? I saw one posts saying we had the chances to kill the game, we had one shot on target all match. This isn't the first game we have dominated and only mustered a single shot on target. Secondly, West Brom took points off City if I'm not mistekn. It's the same with posts saying we will smash the league and walk it etc. I think some need to realise this is not a normal season and us winning every game let alone the league, is far from assured.


1.) 28 Dec 2020 13:41:14
Bang on mate, its going to be a roller coaster so let's just enjoy it for what it is.

We don't have our first choice defence or midfield but we are still up their at the top.

We are not going to run away with it but we are bang in the fight and we can't ask for much more.

Thinking you should automatically beat these teams is exactly why teams don't. We were spoilt last year but we are still one of the best teams in the league without three senior cast. I think that's to be enjoyed personally.

2.) 28 Dec 2020 14:16:14
Fans thinking they are going to smash teams on the internet or social media shouldn’t have any effect on the actual players performances. It’s the players thinking they only have to turn up to beat the small teams that’s having the effect. This is why Klopp is paid the big bucks. I’m sure he has made his feelings to the players known.

3.) 28 Dec 2020 19:00:31
Shots not being on target doesn't mean anything, just another stat, the amount of possession we had in the first half and numerous chances we should have been out of sight at half time. Westbrom much better second half but we should have scored more in the first half,

4.) 28 Dec 2020 19:31:45
Chances and possession are both stats if I'm not mistaken. shots on target also happen to be classed as chances too. West Brom clearly showed possession doesn't win you football matches.

5.) 28 Dec 2020 21:39:29
We were crap, just tell it like it is?

6.) 28 Dec 2020 22:46:27
We did not play well enuff to win. The End.




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04 Apr 2021 11:22:15
Great thread by the way, good to have some differing opinions argued out properly! Having read all the posts, there is obviously a big split between fans of who should be sold.
My two cents worth: People need to also Co aider the bigger picture overall in that our front three are all nearing their 30's (makes it sound old! ) during one of the worst years in modern football financially. Realistically, a shake up if the squad is required, and not just at the front. Our midfield is also in a similar age bracket and the club have to be extremely careful to maintain the last few years success, and the only way to do that is by refreshing the squad with quality.
It is well known LFC do not have the funds of other big clubs, so it is vital that the club raise money through sales to afford this quality. Unfortunately, with the emergence of Haaland and Mbappe, it has probably taken the attention of Mané and Salah by the big spenders, who have now put their financial focus on the other two.
That may be a good thing for some fans, but it also likely means if bids were to even come in for one of our front three, it will likely not be anywhere near the valuation we fans expect.
I think the club is about to arrive at a cross road and needs to make some very smart decisions ions to secure the next 5-10 years of success. Yes, we have some good youngsters coming through, but the next 2 transfer windows will be huge for LFC in my opinion and the only way to do that is by selling a high value asset or two.




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20 Jan 2021 19:18:47
I lived in MK for years and he was well known in the local area. Played in the same team as some of his good mates. The rumour is Spurs chucked in a rather nice auto mobile as a golden handshake to convince him to sign, which he gladly accepted.




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21 Oct 2020 11:33:18
The fickleness of fans is unbelievable. "they need to sell ASAP"? Really. A few weeks ago everyone was on here raving about FSG. Fans need to get over this issue of owners not wanting the best for the club. Football is a business and always will be. What top 6 club is owned by a "local" fan? If FSG are only interested in money, common sense says they will leave the club in a healthy state in order to maximize their sell on profit.




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06 Oct 2020 20:20:26
Plus, you have to remember there are thousands of agents worldwide and it would be interesting to see what percentage make more than the average salary in their own countries. We only hear of the small minority no doubt who are making millions.




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21 May 2020 01:46:18
Hi Ed, great answers. It appears from the outside the PL is hesitant to make a decision for whatever reason. Didn't they just appoint a new Chief Exec? Would this not be an ideal time for a new leader to step up and make authoritative decisions on matters such as H&S and salary caps? I know you say countries are different around Europe, but why not make a statement and lead from the front, introduce it in the PL. For the 'best league' in the world, it seems like no one is prepared to take a leap, or is there just too many politics involved and too many/ much invested to take risks like that?


{Ed002's Note - He has no powers to do such things. The power is in the voting members.}




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09Apr 2021 08:26:31
Jordan Henderson has handed over control of all his social media accounts to Cybersmile.




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02 Apr 2021 16:13:34
Yeah I didn't see that myself, but that's shocking if it is the case. Pathetic really isn't it.




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02 Apr 2021 12:48:42
I just watched it, doesn't look like anything in particular was said, he just didn't reacted badly to the Croatia players celebrating. Must have been hard to take, but it shouldn't have had to go to the final game to secure progress.




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24 Mar 2021 07:52:14
Just to add, how many games was suarez banned for that season through his own stupidity? And I also disagree about this inheriting good teams etc. Plenty of managers have walked into jobs with world class squads and absolutely flopped, again, Rodgers has got teams playing. Any manager who manages in the PL must be doing something right. Is he as good a manager as Klopp? Of course not, but how many managers in the world are?




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22 Mar 2021 22:39:45
I'd love to sit in on a football managers job interview, be a strange one.