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01 Jun 2021 16:05:17
while we are at it for transfers, can anyone update when will we sign any of the following players?

- Pablo Aimar
- Simão Sabrosa
- Dani Alves
- David Villa
- Joaquín Sánchez

Also, any others that we have been waiting for the transfer finally be completed after the long wait?

{Ed0666's Note - I think Simao is still on the plane ready to take off no?


1.) 01 Jun 2021 16:14:49
sadly that seems to be as far as he got
was it issues with the plane, pilot, airport or stewardess?
or that he had issues with flying?

i really think travel restrictions shouldn't be used as an excuse given how long we've waited for him.

{Ed0666's Note - don’t worry he’ll sign the pilots just a bit late. Maybe he should have used the babbel-copter!


2.) 01 Jun 2021 16:52:17
I think the Pablo Aimar rumour goes far back. It was around in the days of 'football rumours'!

{Ed0666's Note - around the days of Jurrasic Park mote like


3.) 01 Jun 2021 17:02:08
I believe a horse and carriage are being lined up to bring Fatty Foulkes from Bradford as Alisson's understudy.

His spiritual successor - Big Nev - is also being lined up for the No 3 slot, but he will only have to take a ferry across the Mersey.


4.) 01 Jun 2021 17:07:20
What about Arda Turan?


5.) 01 Jun 2021 17:31:14
Pablo Aimar, well that’s a blast from the past. Remember him being a wonder kid on Championship Manager. How time flies hey!


6.) 01 Jun 2021 18:28:38
Gareth Barry I've heard, although got a feeling it won't happen!


7.) 01 Jun 2021 18:30:37
Whaddabout the Konoplyankakopter?


8.) 01 Jun 2021 18:32:28
I'm still waiting for Ken Augero to sigh! 😃.


9.) 01 Jun 2021 19:26:49
And Quaresma.


10.) 01 Jun 2021 19:59:51
Aimar would have been brilliant for us.


11.) 04 Jun 2021 02:48:24
Don't forget Ayala from Valencia.


 

 

05 Jan 2019 23:21:53
hi Ed002, if you are about, do you see Lallana moving on in this window as well? its no secret that he wants to move and he hasn't had much game time this past 1.5 years.

Likewise for Markovic, Ejaria, and Pedro who all seemed surplus to requirements and are unlikely to even be on the bench.

Or would the summer be a more likely time for these 4 players to move on.

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of Lallana saying he wants to move - his lack of game time is down to injury. As such moving this window would be vey unlikely I would think. Markovic should be released from his contract. Liverpool has no use for Ejaria either and will look to loan him out again initially I would think.}


1.) 06 Jan 2019 07:43:27
Thanks for the response. Much appreciated.


 

 

01 Jan 2019 00:19:33
it's 2019! and the transfer window has opened! not expecting much to happen but i perceive some things may need to be done pending on outgoings. Nonetheless, here are some thoughts (for the next 2 windows) . Please feel free to share your thoughts!

Goalkeepers
Probable outs: Mignolet, Bogdan, Karius (on loan)
Preference: Would hope that we can secure a solid no.2 that can feature in the cup games and deputise ably when needed. but are there keepers of decent quality that is willing and available to do that?

Centrebacks
Not expecting much to change and am happy to keep things as it is.

Rightback
Probable outs: Clyne, Randall
Preference: In my dream world, Wan-Bissaka. If we can secure him, TAA, Gomez, Fab can cover and I think we'll be quite strong in this area. The down side is TAA would have lesser game time as i think Wan-Bissaka is the better fullback and he'll (TAA) have to wait for his chance in middle of the park.

Leftback
Probable outs: Moreno
Preference: Some names that have been thrown around include Laxalt, Tierney, Chilwell. Personally don't know any good LBs but if we are spending, would prefer someone that can challenge Robertson for a starting spot, otherwise the youth prospects can be given a chance? Would really hope to see Roberston given a rest when possible as he really looks knackered in the last game.

Midfield
Probable outs: Lallana, Milner (if Leeds gets promoted and it appears ever more likely), Pedro, Ejaria, Grujic
Preference: For TAA to be in contention to feature in this position. Rabiot's name has been thrown around and while he's quality, he seems to have fair bit of baggage with him? Would think we need at least one addition in the summer. Not too sure if Allan could return, get a permit and is deemed as suitable for the team (he hasn't featured much this season while on loan though)?

Forwards
Probable outs: Sturridge, Origi, Ings (complete transfer), Ojo
Preference: Will Kent and Wilson have a shot next year? I hope at least Wilson will get a chance. Would hope to add one or two players who can play in any position in the front 3 as cover but who is able, available and willing?

Summary of anticipated key deals:
1) LB
2) RB
3) CM
4) GK
5) Forward.


1.) 01 Jan 2019 01:10:08
I see Moreno staying until the end of the season will be interesting though to see if anyone tries to snap him up on a free in January, I expect he will play against Wolves in the FA Cup. I doubt we will have many banging on our door for Mignolet come January or in the summer so I expect him to be backup for next year. I am not sure about Milner moving on, even back to Leeds if they get promoted, I suspect him to be another one to still be here next season unless Klopp wants otherwise. I suspect maybe 2 or 3 new signings next summer at most. As for January maybe one.


2.) 01 Jan 2019 02:52:58
I think that’s a pretty good summary, but none are urgent and most are about leavers and backups, so likely to wait for the summer. As Ed02 mentioned (and I agree here) there’s really no need to disrupt the dressing room much in Jan unless something special comes along we can’t ignore.

Of all the positions in the summer, I think a backup GK, a backup LB and a backup striker are most crucial (assuming Migs, Moreno and Sturridge leave) and need to see senior players coming in as we don’t have obvious subs in any of those positions. After that, i think we can probably cover fine with Ox coming back into Midfield and Fabinho able to play RB, so I would like us to just give the kids a chance to step up in place of Lallana, Clyne etc. as they’re only likely to get game time in an injury crisis. eg we can give opportunities to Wilson, Herbie Kane, Brewster, Camacho, Adam Lewis.


3.) 01 Jan 2019 09:22:49
I’d say this window most likely to leave for me would be Clyne and/ or Origi. But would say we will probably sell

Moreno, Lallana, Sturridge, and maybe Milner in summer.

In terms of youngsters I think Kent, Ejaria, Ojo, Randall and possibly Solanke will all leave this summer.


4.) 01 Jan 2019 09:36:17
Excellent summary mate I'm definetly with you on Wan-Bissaka what a singing he would be. I agree Trent's game time would go down but I believe Klopp would rotate them well and start giving Trent chances in midfield in cup games etc and there would be no need to play Gomez at RB again let him focus solely on improving as a CB. I think its more realistic this happens next year though when a midfielder likely leaves (probably Wijnaldum) and Trent will be guaranteed more game time and Wan-Bissaka is more experienced.

GK I would ideally say Butland as he's English and would be decent back up but honestly don't mind who we get.

On CB reluctantly I would say leave it as is at the moment even though I am not Lovren and Matips biggest fans and 3/ 4 injury prone centre backs is not great its worked so far. Ed002 has mentioned we are looking at young CBs that's probably the ideal signing in that position to cover and an eye on the future as well.

At LB I think Adam Lewis has to be promoted I don't see the point in spending money on a replacement at all unless we don't sign a RB then we'd go for a more experienced LB and send Lewis on loan.

For Midfield if Lallana and Milner leave like everyone expects than I think Fabinho/ Henderson/ Keita/ Wijnaldum/ Ox are great options for the 3 spots. What I'm trying to predict is whether Bobby will start playing more permenantly behind the striker, where Fekir would've played if he signed, in that case I wouldn't sign another midfielder but get a lethal striker. If Bobby is moved back up front then I would get someone in like Fekir. What is confusing me is that I think Ed001 stated Shaqiri was a Fekir alternantive so I'm not sure if we sign a 10 or a striker but the big money will be spent on of those I believe.

The forward area I think we need to put faith in Brewster now have him as the backup ST on the bench once Sturridge, Origi, Ings and probably Solanke leave. We will either have Bobby or a new signing as first choice No.9 and probably Salah as second choice then Brewster to begin with. I'd expext Ojo and Kent to leave permenantly or on loan and Wilson/ Woodburn on another loan with good game time.

I think this a very good potential squad next season.

GK
Alisson, BUTLAND, Grabara

RB
TAA, WAN-BISSAKA

CB
Virgil, Gomez, Lovren, Matip, YOUNG CB

LB
Robertson, Lewis

CDM/ CM/ CAM
Fabinho, Henderson, Keita, Wijnaldum, NEW 10, Ox

RW/ LW
Salah, Mane, Shaqiri, Camacho

ST
Bobby, Brewster, Duncan

What does everyone think about this squad and whether we go for a new number 10 or a striker? I really think that's the big singing we will make.


5.) 01 Jan 2019 09:36:31
For the Goalkeeping situation I'd look at Burnley at either Pope (less likely due to his break out season last year) or Heaton the older of the two 31 I think. But he has premier-league experience and he maybe even 3rd choice at Burnley. Either of the two and I'd be happy. Mignolet may get a hard time from the fans but he is a better goalkeeper than some give him credit for and he will go to a decent team when he leaves. I personally thought at Sunderland he had a better season than Pickford when both were signed.


6.) 01 Jan 2019 11:14:32
In. Wan bissaka, de ligt, rabiot and fekir.

Out . Mig, Matip, Moreno, clyne, Milner (let him go on a free if Leeds come up), lallana, sturridge, solanke.

I've no worries anymore about our club.

We are now 4? Transfer windows into klopp and every single one has been pretty much on point.

Don't think klopp will ever sign more than 4 players.

The club don't seem to be cutting corners either on there top targets.

I think letting de ligt and wan bissaka go anywhere else when we are at the top of our game would be I'll advised.

De ligt and vvd for starters and then we ligt and Gomez. for what 12 years?

Wan bissaka is going to be the best rb in the league. Trent can take over Milner in the middle.

Fekir is a beast and rabiot is a great cm.

Always strengthen when you are the top.


7.) 01 Jan 2019 13:17:28
Outs

Migs, Moreno, Clyne, Milner, Lallana, Sturridge.

Ins

Butland, Bissaka, Coutinho.

Promote Lewis, H. Wilson and Brewster.


8.) 01 Jan 2019 13:25:32
There is talk of lloyd kelly left back from Bristol city, could b another Gomez lower division quality.


9.) 01 Jan 2019 14:01:07
Kelly looks like a left sided Gomez. Tall strong fast and a good tackler. Would Ward even come back do you think any of the Ed's? Surely being on the bench back at Liverpool is better than being on the bench at Leicester. I know he left because of the talk of Kasper leaving but that never came off. Or would you expect him to push for a move away from the King Power in search of a regular spot somewhere else?

{Ed001's Note - he is hoping to get regular first team football somewhere.}


10.) 01 Jan 2019 14:30:43
I know we probably have never considered him at any point. But a player I feel would fit well up too would be Jamie Vardey. Even though he’s pushing on in age his pace is still very good along with his finishing. He could play anywhere along the top and offer great cover for the front 3. Surely at his age he may not cost too much and would be far better off the bench than Solanke, Origi, Sturridge.
But I feel cover for full backs is our priority especially left back. Moreno can’t defend and the fact that Milner would often be the second choice left back says it all. We have plenty of cover at centre back and in the middle of the park. But let’s trust Klopp many of his signings have been underwhelming, yet turned out to be very good and very popular. Robertson, Ox, Shaqiri, Wijnaldum.


11.) 01 Jan 2019 18:12:55
I agree Ibiza red he would be brilliant for us, he has that pesky nuisance style that would be boss in our pressing style.


12.) 01 Jan 2019 21:17:35
My argument is that many people want us to buy players that could be £50 million plus and I don’t see that happening. Not that I see us going for Vardey or Leicester selling him to us but I think he would be relatively cheap, may be happier to sit on the bench than many players people want us to sign, he’s english, and I genuinely think he’s a good player and would work in our system.
I think our midfield is fine until the summer, and our defence unless we ship out Moreno then we could do with cover for Robertson.
But in general I don’t feel we need to do anything to this squad until the summer.


13.) 01 Jan 2019 23:58:48
Agree with some of the comments. I actually anticipate about 10 - 15 players leaving this summer (Migs, Clyne, Moreno, Lallana, Markovic, Kent, Ojo, Randall, Solanke, Sturridge, Pedro, etc. ) and am hoping some of the promising youngsters can fill these spots.

I'm unsure if Butland would want to come and sit on the bench at 25, thought Heaton seems possible but am unsure if we have any interest. I will be surprised if Nick Pope doesn't replace Joe Hart if they are still in the PL next year. He is way better than JH.

With the kind of football we play, I actually think we need 7 - 8 CMs to last the distance. Last season we had 6 senior CMs and towards the end, we were short on bodies and fitness.

While I'm all for youth, I think its quite a big risk to rely on Brewster and Duncan only as back-ups for striker / centre forward.

As Ed001 regularly laments, if the window is open for 3/ 4 of the seasons, I would have no issue letting the youngsters have a few months to try out. But if they bottle their chance or is shown to be not ready and we have to go 5-6 months with them, that's a very scary thought for any manager.

Keep the comments coming. Be glad to hear from various ones, even if our opinions differ.


14.) 02 Jan 2019 09:59:50
Personally think we don't need to mess around with squad harmony that much.

Gk
Get rid of mings leave Karius out on loan (recall option impcase of emergency) and let the young lads progress.

Full back.
Keep Clynn and start positional training for left back having him in the squad and rotating will be brilliant.

CB
If no on leaves then we don't need to look we have 4 good CB's that most teams would be happy with.

Midfielder.
No change unless there is a creative player out there available.

Wingers.
Look at Jaden Sancho not sure Dortmund will let him go cheap though.

Forward.
If Sturridge and origi are off we should look at Bellotti strong lad has a good instinct for goal decent in the air personally feel he will be a brilliant signing.

We need to be realistic we all want Mbeppe and players of that caliber but do we need loads of big egos all coming in no.


15.) 02 Jan 2019 21:05:06
Ideally a better senior back up keeper, a 2nd LB to challenge Robbie, and a forward who can play up top or out wide, so we can rotate the front 3 with no loss of quality.


16.) 03 Jan 2019 02:21:32
Migs Will leave so we should get a back up keeper I suppose getting Butland will be viable and we were interested in him last summer.
If Clynes and Milner leave we could get Wan Bissaka and start playing A. Arnold more in Middlefield.
If Moreno leaves we can promote A. Lewis as back up for Robertson.
It seems Lallana is leaving so we need a player who can play forward and Middlefield so who can be better than Coutinho who is available.
H. Wilson deserve a chance to be part of the next season.
If Sturridge leaves we still have Origi, Solanke and Brewster but at least one should leave on loan.

Then the team will be like this (4-2-3-1):

Alisson/ Butland
Bissaka/ A. Arnold
Robertson/ A. Lewis
VanDijk/ Matip
Lovren/ Gomez
Henderson/ Fabinho
Keita/ Wijnaldum
Mane/ H. Wilson
Firmino/ Shaqiri
Coutinho/ Chamberlain
Salah/ Origi/ Solanke/ Brewster.

{Ed0333's Note - lots of unreal variables there mate


 

 

 

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01 Jun 2021 16:05:17
while we are at it for transfers, can anyone update when will we sign any of the following players?

- Pablo Aimar
- Simão Sabrosa
- Dani Alves
- David Villa
- Joaquín Sánchez

Also, any others that we have been waiting for the transfer finally be completed after the long wait?

{Ed0666's Note - I think Simao is still on the plane ready to take off no?


1.) 01 Jun 2021 16:21:49
He's in the Babelcopter Ed0666.

{Ed0666's Note - with lady Jane piloting 😍


2.) 01 Jun 2021 17:11:37
You know it Ed0666.

{Ed0666's Note - I used to fancy Vicki Michelle in Allo Allo oh and Linda Lusardi 🥰


3.) 01 Jun 2021 17:30:42
I definitely hear you Ed0666🤤.

{Ed0666's Note - get out of my head Barry I’m feeling violated


4.) 01 Jun 2021 18:18:20
And little meme eds666.


5.) 01 Jun 2021 18:34:28
You never complained before mate😃.

{Ed0666's Note - it’s getting a bit too much now my thoughts are getting way too surreal!! You need to go Bazza 😂


6.) 01 Jun 2021 18:37:24
Ian Ayre is still carrying that Aguero contract in his briefcase.


7.) 01 Jun 2021 19:38:30
Isn’t Konoplyanka still of interest to us?


8.) 01 Jun 2021 20:21:07
‘Diego Capel and Gaston Ramirez entered the chat’.


 

 

30 May 2021 12:00:35
stepping away from transfers for awhile. have always been curious, what happened to Scottish football?

Celtic was the 1st British club to win the european cup. The spine of the great 80s liverpool team was a trio of scots. Shanks was scot. king kenny was scot. and i recall they used to qualify for the EC and WC in the 80s.

So what happened that not many are playing for the big clubs anymore?


1.) 30 May 2021 12:25:44
It got dominated by 2 Glasgow teams became pretty boring lost its appeal it’s now a farmers league some would say!


2.) 30 May 2021 12:54:45
The same thing that has happened to all the other smaller European leagues. Money becomes concentrated elsewhere, power positions become entrenched, the disparity between leagues grows and their players go to play in more lucrative leagues. Those who remain never develop their talent to the fullest as they don’t play in a high quality league anymore. Sad state of affairs really, you can’t get teams like Red Star or Malmo reaching the Champions League final anymore.


3.) 30 May 2021 14:06:00
2 best left backs in league are scottish.


4.) 30 May 2021 15:02:11
Nugget what league do they play in?
Gas man!


5.) 30 May 2021 22:43:36
read an article recently which was trying to make the point that the standard of scottish football dropping was due to Celtic dominating the league for so long. With Ranger re-emerging and some of the other teams starting to emerge, he reckoned it was a positive sign for scotland.


 

 

29 May 2021 00:14:46
So, Konate has signed, and here are the potential outs if we don't price them out a move or something drastic happens in their career trajectory with us:

- Adrian (I do think Kelleher is more than an able no. 2 judging from the season that just ended)
- Nat Phillips (gutted for him, but at his age, he needs to be a regular than a back up, and I do think he is good enough for at least 1/ 2 the PL teams)
- Wijnaldum (all the best at Barca)
- Keita (i'll ship him personally if needed. it's not that he has done little on the pitch, he seems to be doing little off it too to be any kind of value add to the team or club)
- Shaqiri
- Woodburn
- Origi (really wish he can restart his career elsewhere)
- Grujic (he can play at a decent level in EU, so i do hope if we have no plans for him, let him go, cash in, and don't price him out)
- Karius (somehow he's still on our books)
- Ojo
- Wilson (lets not price him out a move again)
- Awoniyi

Areas i do believe we need to strengthen:
- RB (sorry, but neco williams doesn't seem quite ready)
- CM ( i think at least 2 are needed actually)
- forward (the talk has been about Kane, but the one i really like is Son. If he's available, I'll snap him up in an instant and i'm sure he'll thrive)

So, who're those you wish to see come to us?


1.) 29 May 2021 08:33:58
Agree with most of the outs SG. I'd throw Matip and Minamino into that pile too but keep Philips as fourth choice Def. How much money could we raise from sales Eds?

Matip is a great centre half but we can't rely on him to play the games due his lack of physical robustness. Minamino just hasn't adapted to this league so take a profit in his sale and reinvest.

I'd like to see 2 mids brought in bearing in mind milly's playing time may fade this season: bissouma, aour, tielemans, ward-prowse for example and another versatile forward depending on finances. Maybe a back up experienced GK on a free.

Alisson/ Kellehar

Trent/ Neco
VVD/ Phillips
Konate/ Gomez
Robertson/ Tsimikas

Fabinho/ milner/?
Henderson/ jones/?
Thiago/ ox/ elliot

Firmino
Mane/ jota
Salah/?


2.) 29 May 2021 08:43:50
I also can't argue with your list of players to move on, the only problem I can see is that our squad depth isn't that strong but if we move on all in your list will we be able to replace them all.


3.) 29 May 2021 09:15:37
This is the problem with having such a good first IX, the drop off is staggering but we can't afford a top class 2nd string like city. We need to look at the exuberance of youth to supplement any gaps and pray to Shankly we don't have another season of injuries.


4.) 29 May 2021 18:48:09
I think Neco will go on loan to get more experience. Next season we will have Gomez, Konate, Fabinho, Ox, Milner and Henderson who have all played at right back at some point in their career so there are plenty of options to cover Trent.


 

 

20 Dec 2020 11:53:31
Just some thoughts

Clubs with the players to win the title this season:
- Liverpool
- Man city
- Man utd
- Chelsea
- Tottenham

Clubs with managers that can win the title
- Liverpool (Klopp)
- Man city (Pep)
- Tottenham (Jose)

Didn't include Ancelotti because he needs the best team to stand a chance and he definitely doesn't have that at the moment.

My own take:
We'll win it by some distance. It's a weird season, many things can happen and only 1/ 3 of games are done with but we are top of the league with the best GD though
- we had a significant injury list (2 starting CBs out for season, marquee signing of the summer hasn't played much, 2/ 3 of our trident down with C.V. for awhile, various players with muscular injuries)
- had a couple of bad games (Brighton, Fulham)
- were trashed -5 GD by villa
- contended with some ridiculous decisions (Everton, Brighton)

Here's to 20 and a merry Xmas!


1.) 20 Dec 2020 12:49:20
sgynwa

I think you are getting a bit ahead of yourself, there is a long way to go and though we are top for Christmas, anything could happen between now and the end of the season.


2.) 20 Dec 2020 13:14:09
Agree sgynwa - only Klopp, Pep and Jose have the mettle to win this unique PL season. Other than the strange Villa and Fulham performances, Jurgen has played a blinder so far. If we can get a starting CB in January then I think we'll be too good for the rest. Sport Science will be the MVP in this season and we have the best setup around on that front.

Merry Christmas all (from Tier 4 : ( )


3.) 20 Dec 2020 13:24:10
Didn’t Leicester win the league without the best players and manager?
We’re def in with a shout of winning the league but there’s a long way to go and far more twists and turns.


4.) 20 Dec 2020 13:24:30
Sgynwa, Leicester won it a few seasons back, anything is possible in this crazy season. I reckon 86 points will be enough to win it this season, so there are more than the teams you suggest who could achieve that total. I'm just delighted that we are in the mix, at this moment, given our injuries.


5.) 20 Dec 2020 13:48:10
I totally agree Rome. Great result yesterday but we need to keep the away form up.

It’s such a shame, any normal season I’d be really confident of a back to back title win.


6.) 20 Dec 2020 14:05:47
Think we will wrap up the league title by match day 36 or 37 unless there is an even bigger injury crisis.
Would love to win the UCL as well and do the double. A squad this good with the best manager in world football should be doing the double tbh.


7.) 20 Dec 2020 14:39:09
Year 2018
United 20 Liverpool 18
Year 2019
United 20 Liverpool 19
Year 2020
United 20 Liverpool 20?
Year 2021
United 20 Liverpool 21?

It must be coincidence. right?


8.) 20 Dec 2020 15:45:08
It’s written in the stars FLS.
Who knows what the future holds
But when we have such a wonderful manager and team, we can dream.

It may fall apart come May, but I’m choosing to flow along and make bold claims and enjoy this wonderful period to be a Red.

Perhaps a League, FA cup and UCL treble?


9.) 20 Dec 2020 15:50:18
Wow, that's the first time I've seen that one Fowler Loves Schmeichel - pretty crazy if that's our destiny (and we certainly have the players and coach to do it) . What I will say in response to the OP is that Leicester definitely have the team and manager to win the league. I firmly believe that. Everton could also surprise teams and have one hell of a manager in Ancelotti. The one thing I think they are missing is a goalkeeper as I've never thought much of Pickford. And I'm truly hoping Mourinho bottles it after that confrontation with Klopp the other night and so far I've been tickled to be proven right (2-0 down to Leicester as I speak and should be 3-0 if not for another ridiculous VAR decision) . And boy has Bale lost a step; worst signing of the season so far. Long story short, it is entirely too early to crown anybody or even talk about top four. Chelsea, for me, are extremely dangerous if they can go a nice run unbeaten, City are always going to be in the running with the squad and manager they have and United without CL football will be a concern (and two games in hand as we speak) .


10.) 20 Dec 2020 17:34:58
sorry but we were not on 19 in 2019.


 

 

29 Nov 2020 23:02:33
It has now almost become routine that after every football weekend, the talk is centred around VAR decisions. Football has always been about contentious talking points, but it has now reached a level where it is almost unbearable as the match experience is poor due to the disruptions of VAR checks, while accuracy of decisions not exactly better.

I've done some research and here are some recommendations for VAR. As a Liverpool fan, most of my examples will be of the Reds, but I'm sure the instances cited has been experienced by other teams too.

PURPOSE OF TECHNOLOGY
The whole point of technology in football is to make the game better, but right now, VAR definitely isn't doing that.
Goal-line technology works because it focuses on the most important aspect of the game (e. g., goals), is definitive (goal vs no goal), more accurate than existing human decisions (e. g., England's WC winning goal, LIV vs CHE CL semi-final 2005), immediate (i. e., the outcome is known instantly with no delays) . We may detest the outcome (LIV vs City 2019, no goals by mere millimetres that handed City the title eventually), but the outcome is non-contestable.

VAR, meanwhile, has eroded confidence in the decision making while destroying the match experience. So clearly, the use of technology has not yielded the kind of benefits it promised.

GUIDING PRINCIPLES
Building on the features of goal-line technology, here are some guiding principles for use of VAR:

1) Integrity
It's use MUST strengthen the coaches', players', fans' believe in the objectivity and accuracy of the decisions. We've always complained about referees decisions, the use of VAR should lessen, not intensify it.

2) Transparency
To promote confidence in the decisions made, the coaches, players, fans must know what is happening and why decisions were made following the use of VAR.

Making the audio live, having officials publish post match reports, with or without VAR, these would have been good practices, but with VAR, it has to be such to ensure people involved in the game knows the what's and whys. Perhaps, when the right decision is finally made, albeit with some disruptions, it is more tolerable.

3) Experience
Sports are emotional. Football climaxes at the point of scoring goals. So as much as possible, the flow of the game should be encouraged and the euphoria of goal scoring for coaches, fans, players should never be taken away.

NECESSARY CONDITIONS
For VAR to work, these things need to be in place first:
1) Simple, clear, sensible rules
The handbook rule at the start of the season was awful as it completely removes context and common sense. Then, the sleeve of players are used to decide offsides (e. g., VVD vs Everton) . If any player actually extends their arm and use their biceps or triceps to score a goal, it'll definitely be called for handball, yet they deem that part of the body playable?
Get the rules right. Otherwise VAR will just amplify these silly rules.

2) Competent officials
Even with technology, the on-field and VAR officials still must know and apply the rules! Making up new rules on the go to cover up for officials' mistakes is not going to cut it (e. g., LIV vs TOT penalty decision, whereby Kane was in an offside position but the officials decide that if the ball has brushed Lovern slightly when the pass was made, Kane is then onside) .
Furthermore, a huge part of football rules are subjective (i. e., degree of physicality, force of contact, intent of contact, etc. ) . Hence, underskilled officials with VAR will just perpetuate poor decisions.

USES of VAR
According to FIFA and PL websites, there are 4 main uses of VAR. In my next post, I'll examine each of them.

{Ed025's Note - great info there sg, well done mate..


1.) 29 Nov 2020 23:37:25
Brilliant post that sgnwa! A lot of very good pointers.

I also totally agree with the idea of live audio between officials. This would form a good platform to increase widespread knowledge between officials and encourage consistency with decision making.


2.) 30 Nov 2020 00:02:26
Fair play dude you definitely put a lot of effort into that post👍.


3.) 30 Nov 2020 01:55:40
Good read that. I'd be happy if we just used goal line technology and trusted the officials again. I know that isn't going to happen and it also relies on officials being competent.
Can't we just clone the ref from our match with Atalanta?
Surely there is a way for VAR to just check for the absolute clangers? Like a definite use of the hand to gain advantage for a goal, or an offside decision that involves daylight between players.
As VAR will still decide offsides, just make it feet position. Easy.


4.) 30 Nov 2020 11:26:10
It'll never work. They're making subjective calls, you can't legislate that. We moaned about the odd decision before but nowhere near as much as everyone does now.

I quite liked the idea of it for offsides as it sucks to lose to asn offside goal and if one of ours is disallowed coz it's offside, then that's easy to take. But it is not working. We've been swiped of points coz of poor offside calls and so have most teams.

Why do the powers that be feel the need to bring in new rules every season? The handball rule is a disgrace.

I've always watched Liverpool when they play. I miss the odd game to commitments but people who know me know I'm out of action if the reds play. But I haven't watched the last 3 or 4 games. Had the European game on in the background. Its odd. Especially after being a slave to love and watching average teams with only Gerrard and cara playing well, and now we have a top top team. I think it's var. That excitement when the forwards gets through, pulls the trigger, the net bulges. But you can't celebrate with the same fervour. Its ruining it.

Countries who don't generally watch football think its boring coz you have games with no goals, or just one. But it's that that makes it. That one goal carries so much weight, and when it goes in, its banging. Or it was before they started looking for reasons to disallow goals. If its putting me off, it must being putting others off too, coz I'm football crazy.


5.) 30 Nov 2020 13:21:47
Low-scoring games rely on tension and suspense for entertainment, then the euphoria and tension-release of a goal for excitement. A nil-nil game can be riveting if the woodwork gets hit or a keeper has a worldy or a team plays with its back to the wall. Contentious decisions have also played their part, until recently, in creating crowd emotional responses.
Unfortunately, the whole premise of video technology to try and get decisions more accurate has backfired by nullifying a lot of the passion of fans. Half the goals scored are tentatively celebrated while VAR ‘does its thing’ and, by the time a decision has been confirmed, the euphoria has been dampened down.
Likewise, the players often have a momentary celebration after scoring then stand open-mouthed staring at the stadium screen while VAR ‘does its thing’ followed by handshakes and a pat on the back if the decision goes in their favour.
For me it is micro-managing details to try and perfect the imperfectable. It’s disruptive to both the flow of the game and the continuity of emotions of the fans and like James Milner it is rapidly turning me off the game.


6.) 30 Nov 2020 17:49:10
VAR as introduced in England, has actually managed to creat a problem that was not even there before it was introduced.

What prob is that? The way it judges offsides. Before VAR, Salah would have been deemed level with the defender and the goal would have stood cos there is no way anyone would have accepted that someone’s toenail could make him offside. Same with the Mane goal at Goodison.

Now with the way VAR is used in the PL, it has succeeded in creating even more confusion by trying to make the offside an objective issue while knowing full well, the technology is not sufficient to make it so. This is the type of dishonest and bad faith people we are dealing with.


7.) 30 Nov 2020 19:09:57
I don't know why they can't just have the “clear daylight” idea on the offside decisions, it so simple and so easy but as usual the powers that be will drag their feet, unless there is a row of cameras all along the touchline VAR will never be correct.


 

 

 

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05 Jun 2021 09:17:28
i think Div is the kinda guy that will be loved where he goes as he is so casual and easy going.
Unfortunately, he doesn't switch and brings his usual personality onto the pitch, which is way too unfocused and casual. There are other sportsmen who had similar personalities, but once in the game, they are switched on, focused and hungry for victory. Div seems to be missing that.

The story about how Div grabbed the ball and race to put it on the centre circle after scoring in the 95th min against Everton says it all - so light hearted, so casual, yet so unfocused and unaware.


 

 

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01 Jun 2021 16:14:49
sadly that seems to be as far as he got
was it issues with the plane, pilot, airport or stewardess?
or that he had issues with flying?

i really think travel restrictions shouldn't be used as an excuse given how long we've waited for him.

{Ed0666's Note - don’t worry he’ll sign the pilots just a bit late. Maybe he should have used the babbel-copter!


 

 

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01 Jun 2021 13:18:07
if Salah goes, we may need 2 players to replace him. a RW and a FW with better scoring than Firmino. But can the FW do do what he does? or an absolute goal scoring CM in the mold of Gerrard / Lampard in their hey days. is there such a CM that is within our reach?

I think if Salah leaves, it leaves us with more than one gap to fill.


 

 

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12 Aug 2020 00:14:00
thanks for explaining so clearly Ed2. Football is big business and obviously there are many financial aspects that the general public is unaware when it comes to transactions, operating costs, etc. I just don't like how the media puts talks about it so naively in an uninformed fashion that misinforms the fans.

If running a football club was that easy, (e. g., I sell for 30 mil, ah, now i have this extra money to buy a 30 mil player), there's no need for a board, CFOs, and the like.

I do hope Liverpool gets its act together to spend less during transactions due to our poor dealings with agents, tapping up and whatever not.


 

 

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06 Jan 2019 07:43:27
Thanks for the response. Much appreciated.


 

 

 

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01 Jun 2021 13:07:34
i actually think we need 2 new bodies in here.
These are the 6 i believe will still be with us next season:
Hendo, Thiago, Fab, Milner, Jones, Ox
note: assuming Grujic, Keita, Shaq to be sold

of which, 5 have some degree of fitness issue. Perhaps Elliot can take one of the spots and another kick-ass CM in the mold of Bissouma?


 

 

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31 May 2021 02:58:35
Players come and go, each for varying reasons. But the way you depart matters.

As such, for me, players like sterling, Suarez, Coutinho would never be welcomed back.

Unlike Fowler, who no fan wanted him gone, just as himself, and when he’s back, everyone was chuffed.


 

 

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30 May 2021 05:40:28
002 are u kante? cause if you were, you played more than well, you played outstanding!


 

 

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30 May 2021 02:31:12
city has a strong enough team to impose their play on any team. alas, pep believed he needed to tinker to win for reasons no one knows. if they went with what they always did, they would have dominated and crushed chelsea inevitably.


 

 

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30 May 2021 02:28:37
for me, it reeks of insecurity and lack of class. there will always be banter among rival teams, but what they did was very low after winning the title. celebrate your success, poke at us if you need (just as Moreno did with Man Utd), but the song was senseless.

{Ed0666's Note - the song was vile as a man nearly lost his life because of it.