Liverpool Discussion posts

14 Sep 2024 20:55:32
I'm going to be honest and I promise this isn't a knee-jerk reaction but an opinion I've held for a while. I don't think we are going to get back to winning Premier Leagues and Champions Leagues without a significant restructure of our forward line. I think the strength in depth is fantastic. In fact it's the best I've ever seen it. But I think it's actually too deep. There's too many players to keep in form and you'll never be able to provide adequate minutes for all of them. The major issue for me is our forward line seems to be quantity over quality. The recruitment in the last 2 or 3 years under Klopp went off and I don't think a single one of our current forwards would come close to gettiing into the 2017-20 Mane-Firmino-Salah attack. I've not seen anything from any of them to suggest they have the potential to get there. I would not be sad to see any of Nunez/ Gakpo/ Diaz sold.

14 Sep 2024 22:07:14
You need to add Salah to the list of people that need to be sold. I think two new forwards next season on we win the league.

14 Sep 2024 22:35:04
FSG have to break the Bank for Osimhen next Summer, or try Chiesa plays RW and Salah goes to Centre Forward and Jota as Super Sub.

14 Sep 2024 23:12:59
We are at least two forwards away from getting to where we want to be in my opinion. And I don't think we will extend Salah on his current wages. We need to phase out the current forwards for upgrades because I think Nunez, Gakpo and arguably Diaz were bad recruitment.

15 Sep 2024 01:21:14
Salah needs wo good forwards to play with.

14 Sep 2024 10:15:37
Arne Slot is behind curve. Fabian Hürzeler is using 3-0-7 formation! that's hell sexy and innovative!

What's Slot doing? Slot out, Hurzeler in!

I hope slot is reading LR page!

14 Sep 2024 13:24:19
Drugs are bad mmm-kay.

13 Sep 2024 21:17:53
Sorry, ED, I didn't really know where to put this, but I saw your top 10 current managers and it reminded me of someone who has been doing an incredible job, and I was hoping to get your thoughts on him.

The coach for Heidenheim, Frank Schmidt, has honestly blown me away with what he has achieved. To take a little team in the 5th tier of German football, and within 17 years bring them into the Bundesliga is unprecedented. Not to mention, last season, his first season at the top level also, he guided them into conference league qualification.

In fact, this season, Schmidt lost the majority of his key players, moving to bigger clubs, and only spent a small amount to replace them, not even £10 million, if I remember correctly. They currently sit 2nd and are playing some really exciting football. I know they have only played 3 games, but that is still impressive.

I was just wondering your opinion of him, if you had any. I have only heard of his exploits recently. But, it is some reading.

{Ed001's Note - I did think of including him, as I was reading about them myself only recently and started looking into him. It reminds me of the guy that was in charge of Union Berlin, until recently. Who did a similar sort of thing but they still sacked him when results turned sour. Despite doing such a fantastic job there, and at Basel before that, he is still out of work ten months later. But you want to know (unless they win titles or manage to stay up and build over a period of years) if they can step up before they can make the cut.

I fear Schmidt might turn out to be just ideally suited to this job and never be able to have a similar level of success elsewhere. A few more seasons though and, like Gasperini, he can force his way in simply by continuing to remain competitive in the top flight with a team like that.}

13 Sep 2024 18:56:46
Team for 2mo lads? Difficult after international break but here goes:
Ali trent konate vvd robbo.
Grav jones szobo. Gakpo nunez salah.

13 Sep 2024 14:43:44
I was recently in rural Italy vsiting a friend and the locals were discussing their best Italian defenders. it was very heated as a couple had Nesta as their best ever. Others mentioned baresi and cannavaro and Maldini. personally I'd have thought Maldini would be well ahead of Nesta . Would love the ed's opinion, maybe apart from 25.

{Ed025's Note - Maldini all day for me eric, he was a great player mate..

13 Sep 2024 18:09:47
It's a good 4 to choose from really. It's like choosing between a blonde or a brunette. Tough decisions.

13 Sep 2024 21:30:57
And none of 4 as good as vvd.

{Ed025's Note - give your head a wobble Digger if you think VVD is anywhere near that standard mate, he is Michael Keane compared to them..

13 Sep 2024 23:02:01
Maldini was the best of his generation, VVD is the best of his generation.

Tough to compare the two head to head because defending is very different now than it was in Maldini’s day.

14 Sep 2024 00:57:40
Maldini for me as well, every day of the week and twice on a Sunday.

14 Sep 2024 02:18:07
baresi himself said that Nesta and Maldini were miles better than him. I loved canavaro if only because he proved you could be small and still be a brilliant defender (won the ballon d’or) But maldini is the best of those 4 in my opinion. Mind you I reckon scirea is worth a shout.

14 Sep 2024 00:37:14
Ed25 I'd love to know what place you have them ranked. id of though Vvd be right up there to be honest but when I made that point I was quickly shot down with "different eras he'd never cope with the physicality then" but take off your blue tinted glasses VVD is class an deserves to be in that company.

{Ed025's Note - i think VVD is a very good player eric...but there are levels, Foden is very good but will never be a Maradona or Pele its just the way it is, it is very hard to compare eras mate and we all have our favourites but for me Virgil will never be as good as the likes of Alan Hansen, but thats the trouble with Liverpool supporters they think all their players are world class, dont get me wrong some of them are but your reputation precedes you im afraid..

14 Sep 2024 07:30:08
Or we can look at it this way.

Nesta and Maldini were both wonderful defenders.

And both were part of the Istanbul miracle.

People think it’s a “miracle” because we came back from three down in a champions league final. Nah, it’s a miracle because we came back against THAT AC Milan team.

Which was absolutely stacked with legends. I still maintain pound for pound it was one of the best elevens in club football history.

14 Sep 2024 08:47:51
Agreed Ed, vvd is not a hansen. Maldini and Nesta where next level. Out of prime chiellini or prime vvd?
Have to also take into account the quality of the strikers that these guys were up against.

{Ed025's Note - exactly Magico, VVD struggles against DCL mate imagine if he was facing Marco Van Basten?.. :)

14 Sep 2024 09:24:56
Wassa, they had conceded something like 2 goals in 2025 up to that point. 2 goals in 4 months.

14 Sep 2024 11:33:40
All our players ARE world class Ed25.

One day you'll see the light.

{Ed025's Note - obviously JLC, thats why you keep winning the league every year mate.. :)

14 Sep 2024 14:55:36
The conspiracy against LFC is what stops us Ed. we always get the short end of the straw with the officials.

You should be well aware of this by now Ed. you been living under a rock or something mate.

{Ed025's Note - yeah JLC, my heart is bleeding for you mate.. :)

14 Sep 2024 21:05:47
I was too young to see 90s Maldini but from a 00s perspective Nesta was better for me. I sometimes wonder if there is a Giggsesque rose-tinted glasses look at Maldini's abilities due to his longevity and trophies won but I can't accurately say as I didn't see a lot of Maldini's career.

{Ed025's Note - he was fantastic RB, take it from me mate..

13 Sep 2024 08:14:45
I'm not and England fan but I find it hilarious that only a few months ago majority of the pundits criticised Trent and said he should not play right back for England, fast forward and they all say he is the first name on the team sheet.
Now let's hope we can get him to put pen to paper for at least 5 years.

13 Sep 2024 08:42:53
Welcome to the English media Jimmy Boy.

They all just follow like little sheep without an opinion of their own to stay relevant.

13 Sep 2024 09:15:47
It's perceived intelligence. Pundits make random claims that fit the current situation in an attempt to appear intelligent. When Trent was too attacking for the anti-entertainment setup of Southgate they claimed that we was a defensive liability. Now that Carsley has highlighted the fact that he is a right-back, played him there and he has been the most creative player on the pitch and got MOM in both games the pundits are now saying things that support this narrative.

What we all need to remember is that the vast majority of pundits are not intelligent or have any kind of insight into football matters - those ex-footballers who have this tend go into coaching. Instead most pundits are chosen based on the fact that they can mostly speak in coherent sentences. The content of these sentences in largely irrelevant.

13 Sep 2024 09:41:26
Same goes with some of Liverpool fans as well. Things they said when Trent wasn't playing well when he was doing the inverted full back thingy under Lijnders and when he was playing as a midfielder under Southgate.

13 Sep 2024 13:40:58
As a full back. That's been made clear. He's not a midfielder.

13 Sep 2024 13:49:50
I agree to an extent, most of them criticized Trent yes but all said its Southgate's fault for putting him midfield where he's hardly played, Neville said it best on the Overlap he should be at RB doing what he's been doing for the last few games and its England's and England's coaches fault for not getting the best out of him and not playing at RB for so long is a crime.

13 Sep 2024 14:06:45
Pundits speak in coherent sentences.
Paul Merson must be the exception.

14 Sep 2024 08:58:59
Agreed kloppers. To not play rb for England instead of kyle walker is a crime. Trent may not be a midfielder but he can vacate spaces there or wide and some of his passing in those last 2 games for England was sublime. Missed the Ipswich game but the Brentford and man u game he was excellent again. The range of passing is exquisite.
Offer the lad what he wants, HE is a must stay. Surely the board and SLOT must see that, and the only other crime is to let This contract situation happen in the 1st place.

12 Sep 2024 20:32:34
I don't mean to be the bringer of bad news, and maybe it is nothing, but I just watched Inside Training, and I noticed something a little concerning.

During the end of training: Nunez, Chiesa and Jota took part in a structured finishing session (based on angled finishing and weak foot finishing) and I noticed Jota leaving early and walking towards the clubhouse. He didn't look comfortable either. Chiesa and Nunez stayed, continuing to work on those finishing attempts before both doing a cool down together.

Maybe it is nothing but, last time, we noticed Jones with a groin issue on Inside Training, and it turned out to be the exact issue revealed in the press conference. Hopefully nothing and just precautionary, but it feels we are due a Jota knock, unfortunately. Such is our luck.

13 Sep 2024 07:19:35
Let's hope it's nothing serious. At least we have players to fill in. If it's Nunez he has a great opportunity to nail down a place by bagging a few goals.

13 Sep 2024 11:57:01
As long as it isn't serious. The season started to get going properly now with 7 games in 22 days so the squad will be vital. Jota was poor against Man U so not concerned if he misses a game or two but any longer will be a blow.

On a side note I'm gutted for Elliot as he would have got plenty of playing time but trying to put a positive spin on things at least he should be a little fresher when in comes to the hectic Christmas period.

13 Sep 2024 15:35:00
Was Jota poor against Utd?

14 Sep 2024 02:20:23
I thought jota worked really hard against manu. His pressing and link up play whilst still a work in progress is much improved from couple years back.