Liverpool Discussion posts

18 Jan 2025 06:59:32
RK - up until 1998 when the good Friday agreement was signed he was very much British 🇬🇧 whether he liked it or not.

17 Jan 2025 20:26:00
Alisson

Nicol Hansen VVD Robertson

Souness Molby

Salah Dalglish Barnes

Fowler.

17 Jan 2025 22:33:11
No Gerrard is madness.

18 Jan 2025 09:21:29
Not liked very much on here Lucas. People really forget how crap we were when Stevie was around.

18 Jan 2025 10:52:00
I’d pick Souness over Gerrard in a heartbeat. Souness was a monster.

17 Jan 2025 15:00:38
What’s the opinion on MacAllister and where he best fits into our team, has some good performances but for me I don’t know where his best position is and in games which are physical like Forest he can be a disaster! I never really watched Brighton when he was there but he was clearly appreciated by Liverpool hence the move. Can anyone shed some light on where he played and what was it that suited him so well in that team because we clearly aren’t seeing the best of him and didn’t really under Klopp either.

17 Jan 2025 15:40:46
He's a great player but he falls over too easily and shirks his defensive duties. He wears number 10 which should indicate where he would like to play. If we could bring in somebody to play alongside Gravenberch then he could battle it out with Szobo for the more advanced role and everybody would be happier (except maybe Szobo and possibly Elliot)

17 Jan 2025 18:42:49
i thought he was a number 10!

17 Jan 2025 20:09:38
He is better at 10, Szob is I think, that’s the thing. We can’t have two who’s best.

17 Jan 2025 21:01:08
I don’t think he’s ever been a disaster and any fan who says he has is probably just being a sheep.

18 Jan 2025 08:56:07
Dow-ney - Against Forest he had the 2nd highest tackle count of all our players, which seems to suggest his defensive capabilities are not as bad as you state.

Players like him don't get to win world cups if they go missing in big games.

I do accept that he is not the quickest, and because of that tends to be caught a few times though.

{Ed001's Note - actually, making that many tackles suggests his defensive positioning is poor, as a well positioned defender rarely makes a challenge. Or, to Paolo Maldini's words, if they are making a tackle, they have made a mistake.}

18 Jan 2025 09:52:01
Ed001 - absolutely one of the best ever defenders and he did indeed say that. Nevertheless, I still maintain that MacAllister is not a shirker when it comes to the defensive duties of his midfield role.

It's all about opinions though and I respect yours Ed.

{Ed001's Note - never said he was a shirker, just that he is not good at them.}

18 Jan 2025 10:52:59
I actually thought he was very poor against Forest in particular, he is always chasing the play and it does look like he goes in to challenge for the ball a lot but unfortunately he doesn’t actually turn over possession as often as he should and spends a lot of time on the floor. This isint a bashing of Mac I actually like the player but perhaps more as a very good squad player, I just can’t see him as the nailed down CM, DM or No 10 that I was excited about when we signed him.

18 Jan 2025 10:56:48
Absolutely bang on Ed. I have this thrown at me everyday from friends regarding centre halves. Spurs and Man United fans saying that Romero, Van de Ven, Martinez etc are world class.
I explain that they are always on the floor, sliding around. Compared to Van Dyk who is always on his feet and is positionally outstanding. The art of defending is actually not needing make a tackle, it's actually making them force a pass, turn back and generally delay aslong as possible to allow team shape.
People just don't get it.

{Ed001's Note - Ven de Ven is awful, he just runs very fast.}

17 Jan 2025 13:35:00
It's quite possible Dick Hughes is the David Brent of the recruitment world.

17 Jan 2025 14:28:32
No. He’s worse than that. He’s Frank Spencer out of some mothers do have em.

17 Jan 2025 15:32:23
Can’t really blame him, he’d told to improve the squad with a fiver and a bag of chips. No wonder Klopp said it’s hard to find people to improve the team, it’s is when there no budget.

When salah is gone and vvd and Trent goes Robertson is at the end. We will go down hill.

17 Jan 2025 18:48:01
We have great youth players in fact we could fill an eleven of youth players that would be better than Everton’s first team. I am not worried in the slightest this club will not be going anywhere anytime span and will hang around with the bigger boys for a long time to come yet.

17 Jan 2025 20:38:47
Is it a requirement to have an academy and youth system? We probably get one local starting player through every 5-7 years, Trent and Gerard being the main ones in the last 15 years, others are bought and sold. The rest make up squad places like Jones .

17 Jan 2025 22:14:56
Is that you Richard 🙄.

17 Jan 2025 22:49:22
No it’s John from Massachusetts. Seriously though, do we have a great youth system, when one in a generation make the first team, and almost all of them are bought in and sold on. Maybe locally the talent isn’t there as everyone’s on line like us rather than playing football. We prefer baseball in Boston so I lose track of what’s going on in the UK.

{Ed025's Note - Del Boy once called baseball..."silly boys rounders", im afraid i have to agree with him mate..

17 Jan 2025 12:57:46
Is it a case that all 3, maybe moreso Trent and VVD were and are waiting to see how Liverpool ambitions are in the transfer market before deciding on their Liverpool futures?

17 Jan 2025 13:47:38
They’ll be waiting a long time then in that case.

17 Jan 2025 15:25:58
Or is it that we can't make any big moves in the market because we don't yet know if we are going to have to spend big to replace our 3 best players in the summer.

It's the new chicken vs egg debate! (except it's not because everybody knows that eggs were around long before chickens)

{Ed025's Note - and who layed them eggs SK?..

17 Jan 2025 15:45:09
Dinosaurs Ed - You know like David Moyes.

{Ed025's Note - i like that SK..

17 Jan 2025 12:07:12
Thinking with my heart I would absolutely love Salah, VVD and Trent to stay as I just think they are wonderful players.

However thinking purely from a business perspective, and one where it seems we need to be a bit more mindful than other clubs financially there may be some sense in not renewing all 3.

- Salah: World Class, and a lot of people are talking about if we gave him a contract worth £65m - we'd have to pay that for someone unproven anyway. BUT they aren't factoring in that if he stays we will likely still need to buy for that area quickly as he is ageing and going to decline at some point (that could be in 3 years or next year but IS a risk) . In terms of short term it would be great to keep him but long term would that lengthen the transition period for his replacement (especially if it leaves us with less to spend on one)

- VVD: For me he is the most important that we tie down. Even with a pure business hat on it makes sense for him to stay. A leader, and in a position where age is less of an immediate issue

- Trent: this is a funny one as I love him as a player, but we have Bradley already and we arguably look stronger defensively and more balanced with Bradley playing. 100% understand we lose the creativity though and that Trent is a one in a million player, but out of the 3 (from a pure business angle) he is the more luxury option out of the three to keep, and perhaps would cause too many issues should he be made top earner (thinking domino effect), More than that though (and this is with human perspective and not business) he just is wasted and not appreciated by the media and most of this country. Lately it seems even a lot of our fan base don't give him any respect either. If I was him I'd also be thinking would my life just be that much easier if I went to RM? Although grass is always greener etc.

Whatever happens with these 3, the fact is we need additional players AND will need to replace 2 out of the 3 even if they all stay pretty soon. If that limits potential incomings long term, I suspect that is one of the factors that is putting lower ceiling son contracts vs what the media claim they are worth etc.

Anyway just rambling and trying to look at it from another perspective. Not saying it's the right way to look at it, but was interesting for me to pull on that thread for a while anyway.

17 Jan 2025 11:33:31
City rubbing our noses in it pursuing multiple signings and securing their most prized asset on a crazy long contract (I thought the rules were going to prevent these really long contracts after Chelsea kept doing it to get round the financial rules) .

All of which tells me that whatever the financial rules are, they still don't really have the desired effect. A club where the maths of their finances is questionable to say the least, which has spent billions in constructing a squad with a £90m left back and a £100m striker who sits on the bench most weeks, has their first difficult spell on the pitch for years and at the very next transfer window goes on another spending spree to buy their way back into contention.

{Ed001's Note - the rules stop teams spreading the cost of a transfer over the length of a contract of more than 5 years.}