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18 Jul 2018 12:03:09
Not a rumour from anybody with any inside knowledge, but an Italian Engineer I work with says the general consensus in Italy is that the Alisson deal's done, and he personally reckons that his team (AC Milan) will sell Donarumma to Roma as the replacement. He's just a random Italian dude so take it with a pinch of salt. The Italian equivalent of "Keith down the local says so and so" š.
1.) 18 Jul 2018 12:33:57
Allisson bid accepted. Ā£66.8m.
2.) 18 Jul 2018 12:52:12
Sergio down the pizzeria said so MK.
3.) 18 Jul 2018 13:31:46
It was more like "Lorenzo down at the Colloseum said-"
4.) 18 Jul 2018 13:39:02
Lorenzo IS Sergio's cousin and the name of the pizzeria IS The Colloseum, so I was right Adamš.
10 Jul 2018 08:47:42
Not my rumours, just things I've read this morning.
Taiwo Awoniyi signs a new 5 year deal and and then joins Monaco on loan for 2 years?
Liverpool have contacted Juventus regarding Marko Pjaca and been quoted a price.
1.) 10 Jul 2018 09:00:26
Strange one about Taiwo, not sure how his development will go there. Will he even make the bench? All the best to him and hope it works out and we get a cracking player back. Cheers mk.
2.) 10 Jul 2018 09:29:38
Interesting one for Taiwo, thanks Adam, I think I read the same article earlier!
Makes absolute sense to me. Looks like Brewster is the one who's going to make the step up from the U-23s to the first team squad this season, and Solanke is pretty raw into the first team too.
Nice to give Taiwo a bit of stability and an opportunity to establish himself at a team that is at least Europa league level.
This may have formed part of the Fabinho negotiations as well.
3.) 10 Jul 2018 12:00:34
Eds or anyone that has seen Taiwo Awoniyi play.
Is this guy any good? Will this guy have a future with Liverpool or should we expect that he will be off soon.
I'm usually pretty good at keeping up with youth players but I have no idea what this guy is like as a player.
4.) 10 Jul 2018 12:56:41
Whilst i would be ecstatic about this happening i think the step up to be playing regularly for Monaco is too great a jump.
From what i read it was more the case he was going to remain in belgium but for one of the top teams e. g. Anderlecht. meaning he would be involved in europe.
5.) 10 Jul 2018 13:45:50
Taiwo Awoniyi must be very well thought of.
Im with george t on this one
Anyone seen him play enough to give an assessment on his potential?
6.) 10 Jul 2018 13:49:02
Monaco seems like a strange place for him to go, alright. The quickest way for him to get a work permit is to get into the Nigeria squad, and he'll have to be playing regularly to do that.
As for his playing style, think of Heskey but with more pace and better striking of the ball. The kid has a looooooooooooot of developing to do, though. He was only starting to finally find some consistency of performance last season, and will need to be starting games regularly to continue that.
So yeah TSR, it would make a LOT more sense for him to go to Brugge, Anderlecht, LiĆØge, Gent or Genk. But of course, if he does end up at Monaco, I'll hope he becomes a roaring success and takes Falcao's place etc etc.
7.) 10 Jul 2018 15:49:44
Literally never seen him play aside from YouTube. I always forget about him every season!
02 Jun 2018 13:40:11
Looks like Jack Butland is happening lads. Bookies have seen a huge spike in bets this morning. Someone knows something I reckon, and Macca has backed this move to happen since day one.
1.) 02 Jun 2018 14:13:50
Such a shame, not good enough, never will be.
2.) 02 Jun 2018 14:14:32
Poor choice imo. He he a flapper.
3.) 02 Jun 2018 14:27:32
Christ lads. With fans like you around, who needs enemies .
4.) 02 Jun 2018 14:29:34
Remember the last Keeper we signed after he got relegated?
Me neither.
5.) 02 Jun 2018 14:53:29
Piss poor if you ask me. A position that require a top class performer and we go for a bottom half keeper again.
6.) 02 Jun 2018 14:57:06
Not good enough just like Robertson. Trust in Klopp - he doesnāt get transfers wrong.
7.) 02 Jun 2018 15:03:27
In Klopp we trust. Din everybody groan and sigh when we sign Mane? Butland in hands of Klopp will be a De Gea.
8.) 02 Jun 2018 15:11:38
False equivalency comparing a dodgy keeper with an under rated left back. The flaws in Butlands game are easily exposed and will be time and again. We may as well stick with Karius as he is not a better keeper by any stretch. He has looked shaky AF all season.
9.) 02 Jun 2018 15:13:40
Hope not heās last choice Iād want. got to be oblak Allison imo.
10.) 02 Jun 2018 15:15:23
L. C Karius in the hands of Klopp needs I say more
It is pointless us sending big money on all different position in the team with a 2nd rate keeper standing behind them. I think we need a top keeper to mount a serious challenge which we haven't had in a long long time.
11.) 02 Jun 2018 15:19:30
Remember a few seasons ago I think the bookies even suspended betting on Ribery joining us. Means nothing.
12.) 02 Jun 2018 15:24:39
I don't put much faith in what bookies say, they are simply out to make money for their companies, however if it's Butland, it's Butland that comes and so be it. If it's true then be prepared for endless days of whinging and whining about it.
13.) 02 Jun 2018 15:34:17
If it's Butland let's give the lad a chance.
And I very much doubt he'll be coming as second choice goalkeeper.
14.) 02 Jun 2018 15:39:07
We don't need a keeper. Kieta mane salah Bobby and the ox running at teams. Just win 8-5 every week.
15.) 02 Jun 2018 15:39:31
If itās Butland that comes then itās just more of the same. Heās nowhere near a top class keeper as heās shown.
16.) 02 Jun 2018 15:48:05
Is that āgive the lad a chance until he drops an absolute howler in an important matchā? You cannot tell me heās a significant improvement on either of Mignolet or Karius.
17.) 02 Jun 2018 16:15:29
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. its also not moaning and every one of us would get behind him if we sign him. doesn't escape the fact as a goalkeeper he is no better than what we have. And saying Klopp will make him better? How? don't believe Klopp coaches GKs!?
18.) 02 Jun 2018 16:38:31
Not good enough. We haven't had a decent keeper since Reina and it has cost us. Seeing as we're able to offer champions league next season and having reached the final this year, it makes us a more attractive proposition. As such, we should be going all out for someone that is top class. Butland isn't IMO.
19.) 02 Jun 2018 16:42:16
This will be our best signing of the summer by far. I am well excited. Let's hope it happens quick.
20.) 02 Jun 2018 16:47:19
Butland is just an Englishmans karius. Could be worse thought. Could be going for Hart. It's shame we are scrimping on the most important position. But I've seen teams with crap keepers win trophies.
21.) 02 Jun 2018 16:52:59
Here we go again, pushing players out before theyāve even signed. Where have we seen this before? Ox, Salah, mane, VVD, Robertson. All have been tarnished with the ā ānot good enough, never will beā brush.
Wouldnāt be my pick but Iām not a scout or a top class manager. Butland hasnāt been the same keeper since he came back from injury though he was one of the best in the league a couple of years ago, heās not short on ability, just needs to get back to his best form.
22.) 02 Jun 2018 16:55:57
Who needs a decent keeper when we will be scoring 5 plus goals every game.
23.) 02 Jun 2018 17:05:39
Farmerfc1515, if thatās the case. Save Ā£40m and play rush goalies instead.
24.) 02 Jun 2018 17:54:16
Rush Goalie!
Haha hahaha
Take me back down memory lane šššššš.
25.) 02 Jun 2018 18:09:34
Haha. Why not! Who needs goalposts as well, just use some bloody jumpers.
26.) 02 Jun 2018 18:09:37
Rush goalies one of the greatest things ever. Fact!
27.) 02 Jun 2018 18:45:32
Ice hockey teams have the option of taking the keeper off to bring on another player. Be fun thing in footy.
28.) 02 Jun 2018 18:47:50
āRobertson is sh*t and will never be good enoughā
āOxlade Chamberlain is sh*t and will never be good enoughā
Round and round we go. Trust in the manager? š¤·š»āāļøš“.
29.) 02 Jun 2018 19:02:53
Don't judge butland on last season. Came back from a serious injury.
Imo he has potential. would prefer a of the shelf but not devastated if it's him.
30.) 02 Jun 2018 20:29:27
Absolute madness to spend 80m on a keeper. Everybody goes on about Allison yet we stuck 7 past him. Oblak isn't leaving Madrid. If we do get Butland so be it. Klopp doesn't buy to many duds.
{Ed0333's Note - I totally agree mate. Listen Iām no goalkeeping expert but Becker didnāt look anything like the beast the world keeps telling me about against us. I know heās highly thought of on here by Edās and reds and he maybe be outrageously good but to spunk a world record fee on him would be in my opinion risky. Far better to have 2 decent keepers vying for number 1 and spending the money on Fekir, Dembele etc.
31.) 02 Jun 2018 20:50:42
Typical keyboard warriors on here. Butland, who has yet to make a mistake for Liverpool yet, getting slated in favour of a keeper who has made more mistakes than heās made saves.
Butland is light years better than Karius and I canāt understand everyone saying he will be no improvement. If we picked up a keeper from the Conference he would be an improvement on Karius.
{Ed0333's Note - good evening Mr Butland didnāt know you frequented the site.
32.) 02 Jun 2018 23:15:13
Redmersey, Butland is a bang average keeper (at best) who is lower table fodder. Fact is that a top class keeper like DeGea wins Man United 15 points a season and thatās what we should be aiming for. Butland has cost Stoke more than that this season with a combination of throwing the ball into his own net, dropping crosses, letting in easy shots (particularly at the near post) and lacking concentration at vital moments as well as the fact that heās as nimble as a Tiger 2 Tank. So when you say that he hasnāt made mistakes, you could not be any further from the facts. Heās made loads of them. Typical of pretty much every English keeper around. Heās turning into Joe Hart at an alarming rate. So heās not a significant upgrade on Karius and every mistake that Karius has been pilloried for, Butland has done. Except weāll pay Ā£40m for the privilege of seeing an Englishman doing it instead.
33.) 02 Jun 2018 23:05:00
Iām not a fan of butland myself as I would be worried about any of the relegated keepers. But we have to ask, behind that defence that went down, would any keeper have looked good?
34.) 03 Jun 2018 08:59:52
Frankly you have been up and down this site slating butland for a couple of weeks now, has he done something in particular to you. š
He is a good keeper that just needs to recover his form and confidence. He can be a much better keeper than karius, just needs to prove it. In fact karius maybe needs the close competition to improve himself. Im not opposed to this at all.
35.) 03 Jun 2018 09:56:46
My mate's a avid Stoke fan and recons Butland was a big contributer to their relegation.
For my twopenny worth either upgrade or stick, Butland at best is a slight upgrade and certainly not worth throwing a fair percentage of the budget at.
Becker on the other hand plays the style Klopp wants is young and highly rated by more informed people than us, I can't remember the goals he shipped against us but none were like last weeks.
36.) 03 Jun 2018 10:56:18
Donāt look at next club betting markets, they are so volotile and normally limited to low amounts, it wouldnāt take much to send odds tumbling.
23 May 2018 12:40:45
Ed001, obviously Can will leave and we'll need to find someone new to compete with Hendo for the holding role. My question Is, that if we can't get the first choice player, Ceballos, is there a chance Klopp may give Pedro Chirivella the chance? He was arguably our most successful loanee last season.
Or is it a case of Chirivella not having a future, and would we just move on to someone else we've scouted like Doucoure, Ndidi or Obing?
{Ed001's Note - Chirivella is planned to have a shot at cementing a place during the pre-season friendlies.}
1.) 23 May 2018 12:58:40
Would love it if he took that chance, he's done so well for two years on loan now.
2.) 23 May 2018 13:48:37
Cheers for the insight Ed. Like hjikle, I hope he does well too. He came with a big reputation!
3.) 23 May 2018 14:17:51
I see the consensus on Ceballos is that he would play the deeper lying role. I confess to not seeing anything of him live, I only watch Liverpool.
From what I have seen of him on the one and only YT, I canāt imagine it. I donāt think he has played there before and looks more of a link up player, running with the ball, short passes into forwards etc.
Like I said, I donāt know, only ever get time to watch Liverpool and YouTube as we all know is no real scouting tool but is that what we think is to happen with him if signed?
4.) 23 May 2018 14:35:43
I think he would be a good squad player for next season, keeps the play ticking over and reads the game well.
Obviously if we are bringing in more players then get him out for more experience but I would be upset if we din see him don a Liverpool shirt at some point!
5.) 23 May 2018 14:40:31
If he proves to be good enough, do you think that would cause the club to change their mind on ceballos?
{Ed001's Note - no idea.}
6.) 23 May 2018 16:14:59
I have no idea what position the player prefers barnsey, but he has made 131 senior appearances, and 65 of those he started the game as a deeper midfielder. He has started 38 other games either on the left midfield, attacking midfield or the right midfield. Sub appearance positioms aren't recorded.
He is much better in the deeper midfield roles, because he is not a quick dribbler and doesn't score many goals. He wouldn't fit the attacking roles in our system at all. He is still only very young and has been used as something of a utility player for most of his career so far, but his best position from what I have seen is definitely in a traditional midfield role. I actually think he'd be better in a midfield two myself, alongside Keita or Henderson.
If he was the sole holding player in a midfield 3, he might get overwhelmed at this age, with his lack of experience. The Spanish football fans liken him to Luka Modric. He is basically a midfield playmaker who can also chip in defensively (he loves a tackle), but he can also cover the more attacking roles to an okay level. He's not a pure defensive midfielder for sure, but neither is Henderson. Klopp Doesn't play an orthodox DM.
7.) 23 May 2018 18:38:59
With the window shortened and WC taking place I don't think the club will take a risk. They will go for Ceballos if not another player of his mould. Seriously it's going to affect the youngsters as Ed001 pointed earlier.
8.) 23 May 2018 22:11:29
Spot on, Barnes. Never seen Ceballos play BU I watched some youtube highlights and a DLM, he is not, I'm afraid. Maybe others can help me here.
9.) 23 May 2018 23:47:08
Brover, you have to remember that a YouTube highlight reel will focus primarily on goals and assists. Most of these came whilst he was playing in attacking positions (naturally) . So his YouTube highlights only tend to show him in games he played further forward. It would be a boring highlight reel if it was him intercepting a passes, making tackles and playing a forward pass to the attacking midfielders.
You'd have to research him more extensively than YouTube. Watch him in full games. Read detailed scout reports and player profiles etc. YouTube only picks out exciting bits and doesn't comprehensively cover everything about any player.
10.) 24 May 2018 03:57:25
So true MK - he's one of our most important players but have you looked at a Henderson highlight reel recently š.
11.) 24 May 2018 07:48:10
It's a shame that with the shortened window, it's less likely chiravella will get a shot to prove himself.
12.) 24 May 2018 20:06:17
@ SGRed - I actually looked at a Henderson highlight reel a few weeks back to compare it to a Jorginho highlight reel, and I have to say Henderson looked better.
And I think they were done by the same person.
It did contain virtually all of his attacking play this season, tbf, but how do I know the Jorginho one didn't contain all of his attacking play?
13.) 25 May 2018 03:00:04
I nearly feel asleep at the one I saw of him. Tackle, pass, tackle, pass and a few excellent diagonal balls thrown in.
Not knocking the guy, I think heās outstanding but frankly speaking the deeper role just doesnāt make for an exciting YouTube video IMO. If it does, theyāre probably doing it wrong and taking too much risk!
11 May 2018 10:48:52
Kloppsreds17, you asked where Ed002 said about Fekir and Fernandes, so i've put together a quick overview of all the latest info we have been given by the Eds. I save the important replies on confirmed Transfer targets so I can try and watch them!
ATTACK
{Ed002's Note - As a special treat. Liverpool have no agreement in place for Lemar, Maddison, Fekir nor any other of the done deals at this time. They will look to adding a versatile attacking midfield player as an effective replacement for Coutinho. AS has been explained a number of options have been looked at and there are scouts still looking at players across Europe and they will have looked at the likes of Fernandes, Fekir, Draxler etc. Specifically, the Lyon Sporting Director has spoken recently (since Fekir reurned from injury) with two sides, one English and one Spanish but Lyon would like the player to stay and are very difficult to deal with. Arsenal has had a long-term interest in Fekir but whether the new senior management will continue the interest AW had in the player is unclear at the moment. So right now Fekir has certainly been watched by Liverpool but they have not discussed anything with the Lyon owner or Sporting Director - but perhaps they will. }
MIDFIELD
{Ed001's Note - we did look at Jorginho, Seri, Weigl, Torreira and Lo Celso off the top of my head. }
{Ed001's Note - I will try and do something if I get some time mate, can't promise anything though Ceballos is still number one target. }
RIGHT BACK
{Ed001's Note - yes right back, we have looked at hundreds mate, bit soon to get certain names of the likely targets. We have looked at Hysaj, but I would expect him to be out of reach now with Napoli not wanting to sell. The Sociedad right back Odriozola, though he is a bit too attacking for my liking, as he also play midfield. There are a few in Germany, Heinrichs, Elvedi and Weiser and the Leipzig one, whose name I have forgotten. Lots more too though how many of them will even be in the thinking when it comes time to try and buy one I don't know right now. Oh Bilbao's right back. }
GOAL KEEPER
{Ed001's Note - we are also keen on Pepe Reina as an alternative to Navas by the way. If Ward goes, as seems likely, we will look out for a 3rd keeper who can also work as a coach, but it is not seen as a priority. To be honest I think, and this is just an opinion, it will be left for now and Klopp will just take a chance on no injuries happening. }
So those are the latest confirmed targets, but you can scratch out Weiser who has signed for Leverkusen, and Jorginho who is likely to sign for Manchester City.
1.) 11 May 2018 11:03:02
Cheers MK. I remember that conversation now mate. I thought there was something more recent.
2.) 11 May 2018 11:02:18
Thanks MK nice summary of the awesome info we get from the eds on this site.
3.) 11 May 2018 11:36:02
nice one MK. I am sure though someone else will ask the same questions later on today.
Fekir without any doubt my first choice.
4.) 11 May 2018 12:47:00
markp08, I'm not sure Fekir is certain to move anywhere next season if what his father has said in the last day or so is correct, that he wishes to play for his boyhood club ( Lyon ) if they secure CL for next season.
5.) 11 May 2018 12:49:22
Markp08, look at the first post on the banter page š you couldn't write It!
6.) 11 May 2018 18:00:27
Cheers MK although dunno how we are going to be able to throw out random names and piss of the edās If youāve left the most up to date! š.
7.) 11 May 2018 18:31:17
Hi everyone, new to this site.
I'm from Germany, so i just thought i'd tell you what i know about the RBs from Germany, that were mentioned.
Henrichs is a young talent, has played a few games from the start and been subbed on a few times. Bayern have been linked with him after a few good performances at the beginning of the season, but could have just been paper talk. Not so good lately and i don't think we need that now.
Elvedi is originally CB, he's doing well at RB, but offensively he's not enough of a threat.
Weiser is going to Leverkusen, so he's out and it tells you another story about Henrichs.
The guy from Leipzig is named Klostermann and he's a real talent. Unbelievably quick, has to work on his positioning though. He had to recover from a long term injury, but his been back in the Leipzig squad lately. Might have actually been and might still be a surprise candidate for the Germany World Cup squad. He would be the one i would try to sign ;)
8.) 11 May 2018 21:30:14
Nice one MK.
9.) 13 May 2018 07:55:52
Fekir and cabellos šš along with keita should make our midfield a lot stronger and more versatile for whatever comes our way.
Starting to get a good squad gathered together now. Great to see and a good time to be a liverpool fan.
Now just need to decide who gos on the new top I got yesterday lol prob salah againš.
10.) 13 May 2018 19:29:27
To see reina again in a Liverpool shirt would be great.
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24 Mar 2019 09:32:48
Just saw this morning that Salah has won back possession in the final 3rd on 32 occassions this season; more than any other player.
Salah 32
Kante 31
Redmond 28
Richarlison 26
(Madness that Kante is in that list when he plays predominantly in the middle 3rd! )
Not sure how relevant it is. Just surprised me he was ahead of Bobby and Mane who seem to be universally accepted as the harder working forwards in our side.
{Ed001's Note - they tend to track back more, so I would think they would have better stats in the middle and defensive third instead.}
1.) 24 Mar 2019 09:43:01
That's a good point Ed001. Just shows how lucky we are to have 3 forwards who all score double figures, but also put in an almighty shift all over the park.
I wouldn't swap any of them to be honest. They're so perfect for Klopp's style and the hustke and bustle of English football.
Whilst I've got you, I've been really impressed with Salah staying on his feet lately. He seems to have gone from going down easily to being impossible to bring down at all. Has Klopp had a word do you think?
{Ed001's Note - yes and he did so publicly as well remember.}
2.) 24 Mar 2019 11:07:28
I don't really pay much attention to pressers to be honest mate! Glad Klopp got the message across either way. I don't actually think he was diving by definition. There was always contact. But he was going down too easily and it was bound to bite us on the backside eventually. He's good enough to just ride the challenges anyway.
3.) 24 Mar 2019 13:48:02
Nice stat, OP. This is why those judging Salah based on goals alone, are doing him and the rest of the front three a HUGE disservice and is an insult to them for all they do for us apart from scoring goals.
07 Feb 2019 19:47:13
One thing I don't get about this media frenzy is the Clyne debate. "Klopp made a mistake" they say; implying that we've somehow drawn our last two games due to a weakness at right back.
From where I was sitting, Leicester and West Ham didn't score any goals from attacks down our right. The Leicester goal was a stupid mistake from Robbo, compounded by lazy defending from Virgil. Not a dig at those guys, as they've earned the odd mistakes.
The West Ham goal was a cheap free kick by Fabinho, Keita getting blatantly fouled by Noble, and Robertson passing the buck to Keita even though he clearly saw what West Ham were trying to do down his flank from the set piece.
Now forgive me for my ignorance here, but in what world would Clyne have prevented those goals? It's bad form from our normally reliable stars. They are human.
We've had a wobble. City had theirs. This is ours. City bounced back. Let's see if we do. If anything Clyne would've made it worse! Nothing more to discuss š¤·āāļø.
1.) 07 Feb 2019 20:02:37
Agreed MK. In fact I was thinking earlier about this - yes, we have massively missed Trent the last few games. But I would say weāve missed his attacking talents more than anything. Itās made us a bit ālobsidedā in a way.
Clyne playās RB, but he isnāt remotely the same type of player as Trent. Also, in my estimation, Milner is a better full back than Clyne - which is probably why Klopp let him go without replacement.
I think Trent not being there has certainly been the problem - missing Clyne (who has played maybe 4/ 5 times 2 seasons) is just a lazy excuse for any āissuesā in my opinion.
Sometimes a player just canāt be replaced like for like and you have to make do!
{Ed025's Note - i dont know why you are all looking for excuses, its a blip thats all and it happens..
2.) 07 Feb 2019 20:03:57
I agree. Clyne would have made no difference to either result!
3.) 07 Feb 2019 20:32:48
Just need some players back TAA, then either Gini or Hendo would make us much stronger for the weekend. Then I think we get a much needed break to re group.
4.) 07 Feb 2019 20:48:02
Spot on, MK. It's the Sakho thingy all over again. When we win, he was a non factor, . Whenever we did not win, it's cos Sahko wasn' there. First it was Sahko, then it was Buvac and now it's Clyne. These fans are being "worked" over by the media floating out BS talking points and they don't even bother to do their own research and use facts in their own judgement. Let's start from the beginning.
Clyne had not played a game for LFC since May, 2018 till the Utd game. Where were we in the PL table? We were two points behind City. Clyne was a non factor. We were top of the PL AGAIN, w/ o Clyne in the squad. So now that Clyne got loaned out and we had two draws, not losses, the reason we are struggling is cos Clyne who has been a non factor all season, got loaned out.
What I want to ask these people is would Clyne playing RB have stopped VVD and Milner from being ill? Stopped Bobbie from having a wretched game vs WH or stopped Lovs re-injuring his hamstring? If the answer is no then these people are just blowing smoke up people's behinds and talking out their backside and such people should stop wasting our time. As Ed25 said, it's a blip, end of story.
P/ S: As a RB, Clyne is not better than Hendo, Milner TAA or Fab hence, Klopp was right to get shot of him as he is dreadful.
5.) 07 Feb 2019 20:51:47
I think some of the criticism refers to the restriction that a slower (Milner / Henderson) full back gives the team when itās specifically set up to allow very advanced wide attacks from both full backs.
Not to mention the lack of coordination with the rest of the defensive unit.
Add to that the knock on effect on the midfield, and the 1-on1 danger that some wide opponents pose and there you go?
Itās just unlucky that the spate of injuries happened together but I think we always knew that our squad strength was not quite there.
Iām really hoping that the return of most of the injured can keep us up there.
6.) 07 Feb 2019 21:18:19
Juicer, here is the prob with part of your argument. Clyne has been irrelevant all season so how did he suddenly become a factor when he is gone whereas he was a NONE factor when he was here for the first 5 months of the season. You cannot discount that fact, man. Secondly, Clyne was let go a week BEFORE TAA got injured. Klopp prolly thought he had enough cover w/ Milner, Fab and even Hendo if it came to it.
Then, they got injured or ill. How could Klopp have known about this before hand and how could he have known that Gomez's absence would last this long? We cannot keep acting like these things did not happen and keep howling to the moon about how Clyne (a poor defender and a non factor all season long) was let go?
Bottom line like you said, is that we were hurt with injuries and bad luck (Hendo, Wiji had knocks b4 the WH game and Lovs and Gomez had setbacks) . It happens and frankly, we have done well to not have lost while they've been gone. Not many teams can survive half your back line and your starting midfield being out REGARDLESS of the squad you have. Time to move on from this Clyne false narrative cos it has NO basis in logic.
7.) 07 Feb 2019 21:39:29
RedWolf, itās not my argument really mate, I was just playing devils advocate.
Clyne did a job against Man Utd so people are bound to say why not against Palace, Leicester and West Ham?
Itās clear that Clyne wasnāt part of Kloppās plans unless absolutely necessary and unfortunately it could be said that that time has been the past few weeks.
My problem was the lack of pace weāve had at RFB in TAAās absence. At least Clyne does offer that.
Anyway itās time we all got back together and stopped ripping each other up. The team are not bottlers, they werenāt in 13 / 14 (if anything too bold! ) and letās bring back that atmosphere and start enjoying it again.
8.) 07 Feb 2019 21:49:48
We have looked really weak at right back for me, despite the fact no goals have come from this side it has given teams an incentive to attack us as we look like we finally have a weakness and beatable. The defence has looked really unstable as well and right back has to be part of that. I think hendo did ok all things considered and Milner less so given that they are not really suited to the role but I donāt think Clyne would have done any better either so itās just one of them, glad heās left the club and wish him well but heās a terrible player.
9.) 07 Feb 2019 21:54:20
I canāt believe Pep spent Ā£60mil on yet another winger (Mahrez) and neglected to buy a back up to Fernandinho. What a huge mistake that is!
I also canāt believe Utd didnāt buy any centre backs or Arsenal get just one decent defender at the club.
I canāt believe Spurs didnāt buy anyone and let Dembele (their best midfielder for me) go for a song.
The list goes on and on with all clubs.
The fact is Clyne was not part of our plans, on a high wage and because he wasnāt part of the plans he asked to leave.
We have 4 players at the club who can all play the position just as well or better than Clyne. 5 if you count Robbo.
Weāve just been unlucky with illness and injury of late, nothing to do with a lack of right backs.
10.) 07 Feb 2019 22:54:26
Its about a balanced team with players playing in positions they are comfortable at.
Defensively against Crystal Palace, Leicester and West Ham we were not solid compared to the form we had shown in our previous games.
There can be a lot of factors such as the extra pressure of winning games, players having a small dip in form etc, but the difference defensively was we had a midfielder playing at the right back position.
Take the game against Manchester United for example, with Clyne I thought we were more solid at the back as we had a balanced defense. Also against Brighton, with TAA I thought we were much more organised at the back.
11.) 07 Feb 2019 22:55:26
No prob, Juicer. By the way, i was not ripping you apart. i was just stating a point of view that it seemed you were missing. The thing is I am sick and tired of people spouting/ parroting the same old revisionist/ hindsight nonsense put out there by the media about Clyne suddenly being the reason we have drawn two games whereas these same people did not know he existed prior to his leaving. Pretty sure had we won these games, Clyne would have been a non issue and a non starter for these guys and these same fans would not have cared, as they have NEVER cared about him all season. Either way, let's get behind the team full go till the end of the season. YNWA, man!
12.) 07 Feb 2019 22:59:15
Clyne was crap thatās why heās been sold! We have better at the club. Mark Noble didnāt foul keita it was a well worked block. And eds25 is right itās a blip thatās all!
13.) 07 Feb 2019 23:19:53
A blip. An unbeaten blip!
14.) 08 Feb 2019 03:32:27
Fact is that noone has a clue whether the same scoreline wouldāve occurred if Clyne had played. He couldn't shoot, cross or tackle but he did have pace which may, or may not, have changed a few scenarios in our favour.
Also, as utterly unlikely as it sounds, he couldve had a worldie and run past six players before bulletting into the top corner.
My point is that it is pure speculation and opinion from pundits and posters alike but the scoreline remains as it is.
15.) 08 Feb 2019 03:57:23
I think it was more to do with Milner having to be a RB instead of being in midfield, is what a lot of the griping is about.
{Ed001's Note - I would rather have Milner at right back than Clyne, he made the goal with his cross while Clyne would have punted it into row Z.}
16.) 08 Feb 2019 08:17:32
Like A Virgil, it is not even opinion punditry nor speculation. It is pure fallacy, rooted in complete bluster and drivel. As I have laid out on this thread, if Clyne was a non-factor for 98% of the season before he left then how can he be a factor now when he was sold or loaned out? Cos we drew two games? Those two statements cannot be correct at the same time hence, total crap logic from people who are only interested in creating chaos, end of.
17.) 08 Feb 2019 13:15:14
I think its quite clear, redwolf, that they have suggested that if Clyne had stayed and played those two draws at right back we might have won them. You clearly disagree with it but it is still an opinion whether you like it or not.
Look into the multiverse and there's a parallel reality where Clyne played for us versus Leicester and scored the winner and Alan Shearer smugly told the world why Nathaniel should always start before Milner, Fab and Hendo at right back.
We ousted Clyne so we will never know if he could have affected the game but opinions can be based on suppositions which means neither you or Shearer are correct or wrong.
18.) 08 Feb 2019 14:12:24
{Ed025's Note - i don't know why you are all looking for excuses, its a blip that's all and it happens.
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I won't even call it a blip ed025, we didn't lose, we drew with a very competitive strong sides who have taken all 3 points from other top 6 sides .
The expectation is ludicrously high. they expect the team to win every game. Not possible, Fergie in United glory days when no one was even close to them could n't do it.
31 Jan 2019 20:40:54
January window is fantastic for a good laugh.
Top four transfer stories:
1. Some MLS player to Newcastle.
2. Crouch to Burnley over 50's.
3. Otto who was at Wolves anyway signs for Wolves.
4. Harry Redknapp refuses to try a Big Mac with bacon.
Riveting stuff. Jim White must be gutted š last minute deals to sign Werner and Rabiot?
{Ed025's Note - good stuff MK..
1.) 31 Jan 2019 22:43:52
Haha
This is the first window ever I haven't hope or wait for any new signing.
2.) 01 Feb 2019 06:05:09
Same haizan mss.
28 Jan 2019 20:19:33
Can I just say, that from the footage I've managed to find, Tonali is nothing like Pirlo! They are Italian midfielders and have long hair. End of comparison.
He looks more like a young Fabregas. Much more mobile, more attack minded, and very good at arriving late on the edge of the box. He also has that surprising tenacious side the young Cesc had as a box to box player in his early years. The Pirlo comparison is ridiculously lazy. His passing range isn't as spectacular and nor are his set pieces.
He best sign for us now else I've just wasted 3 hours on this kid š.
1.) 28 Jan 2019 22:14:24
Is his first name Bruno?
Iāll give him a TEN!
2.) 28 Jan 2019 23:24:26
As long as it a ten Ron and you don't want to give him one.
3.) 29 Jan 2019 05:14:55
He does look like a decent shout despite his lack of height.
Heās got quick feet so is able to create space for himself - heāll need that in the premier league.
Italians donāt seem to settle very well at Liverpool though and aged 18 Iād be worried about his game time.
Maybe loan him back š.
{Ed001's Note - can I just point out that MKS just described Pirlo at a young age. He developed the passing range and free kicks during his career.}
4.) 29 Jan 2019 06:01:16
Just watched his tube compilation and a lot of his long-range passing looks top notch. The most impressive attribute for me was his close control especially under pressure. Not saying we should sign him but his highlight reel certainly makes you want to see more of the lad and, let's face it, noone has delivered on the coiffure front since Torres first joined.
5.) 29 Jan 2019 07:57:29
As I said the other day Ed, I'm too young to remember Pirlo under about 27 years old š.
{Ed001's Note - I never saw him play at the time, but I have done my research on him in recent years.}
6.) 29 Jan 2019 08:03:30
Like a Virgil, I thought his long passing looked poor. The trajectory was to high so the recipients where having to wait too long for the ball to drop. He also seems to put the ball too long or too short forcing then to control the ball with their head or trying to control a ball bouncing up in front of them.
Serie B, there is probably loads of time for players to get the pass under control. In the Premier League he'd need to cut that out until he's honed the skill a bit more or he'd get people clattered with hospital passes.
I agree with Ron regarding loaning him back.
7.) 29 Jan 2019 08:09:48
Time for a player profile on Pirlo? :D.
8.) 29 Jan 2019 19:00:40
Ed01, I saw Pirlo play for Italy (alongside Roberto Baronio, Nicola Ventola, Gatusso, Zambrotta etc) with the U23's qualification games for the 2000 Olympics. I remember the final qualifying game (a two legged affair with the French) and he was brilliant. he scored the winning goal to qualify Italy for the Olympics via you guessed it, a free kick in the dying minutes (I think the game went to extra time) .
I had known him as well cos he came up the ranks at Inter BUT since Morrati (Inter's owner) was trying to buy the Scudetto, he had to go make his name at Regina and then Brescia (alongside a certain Roberto Baggio, Luca Toni and. Pep Guardiola) . This is where he developed his deep lying play making ability and before the 2002/ 03 season, he was signed by AC Milan under returning Carlo Ancelotti and the rest as they say, is history.
26 Jan 2019 10:56:24
Just been looking at our squad depth and I came across something unbelievable (well, to me anyway) . Lallana hasn't scored a goal for us since 21st May, 2017 (20 months! ) . He's played about 800 minutes of football in the time period since that goal. Just wow.
Looking back to that 16/ 17 season when we had Lallana, Hendo and Gini in midfield, and beat beat pretty much every top 6 team we faced, who'd have anticipated such a spectacular decline for Lallana? He looked like he was finally improving and then his hamstrings just failed him. A bit sad really.
1.) 26 Jan 2019 11:30:09
Our win rate against the top 6 was 50% that season.
While we were very good against the top 6 that season (unbeaten), it is a bit misleading to suggest that we beat pretty much everyone.
2.) 26 Jan 2019 11:33:52
MK, our team has evolved in to a true juggernaut, a beast that knows how to hunt for it's prey in diff. ways, which is what makes us difficult to handle in the PL. Lallana has been left behind during this great revolution due to his injuries and frankly, his skill set. His skill set no longer works in the type of midfield we now have and due to his age (and lack of pace), not sure he would have been able to cut it. Hence, I'm not even sure he could have made the next step up to where we are now even if he was not injury-prone. Just my opinion.
3.) 26 Jan 2019 11:51:19
Goals and assists from our midfield players is probably our weakest area. I know Milner got a lot of assists in the CL last season but anyone got idea how many goals or assists the midfield (not including Shaq) have got this season. I canāt really remember Hendoās last goal. I think Fabinho was our last midfielder to score.
4.) 26 Jan 2019 12:32:38
Heās barely played though, not his biggest fan by any means, but most of those mins are probably either coming on as a sub when we are winning and not going for another goal as such.
5.) 26 Jan 2019 13:31:57
John I don't understand your point. I said "pretty much every top 6 team we played" not "literally every top 6 game we played". 5 wins and 5 draws from 10 games is a great record whatever way you dress it up. No offence mate. Your reply just seemed like you were splitting hairs.
I agree RedWolf. He's not really suited to the way we play now. His best asset his relentless pressing but we don't press relentlessly for 90 minutes anymore.
JK23, our midfield isn't really lacking goals this season. Firmino has played behind Salah as virtually an attacking midfielder and he has 11. Milner has 5. Shaqiri and Mane have pretty much played as right and left midfiekders and they have 6 and 9 respectively. Playing a 4-2-3-1 like we do most games now, it is the lead striker (Salah) and the 3 attacking midfielders behind who should get the goals. Fabinho and Gini are, in Klopp's words, a "double 6". Neither are expected to score so any they do get is a bonus. They have 1 each btw.
6.) 26 Jan 2019 13:40:13
To be fair a fully fit lukaku, playing as striker, went longer without scoring!
7.) 26 Jan 2019 13:45:06
Lallana's injury has near ruined his Liverpool career. If he had not been injured he would have evolved with thd rest of the team. Klopp knows how to get his players playing at their best. Before his injury he was one of our best players, he would have gone to the world Cup and things would have beden very different for him. Look at gini 3 yrs ago to gini now.
I actually think his link up play would work well with our front three. And, like Firmino he was excellent at the high press and a decent tackler for a small lad.
Not only that but he is versatile and can play in 5 forward positions.
But, like I said: his injury has made him the forgotten man. The team HAS moved on and new stars are shining (quite poetic that) it was a serious injury and often players come back not the same player. Danny sturridge is another one. Danny ings maybe.
I think his race is run at Liverpool. I still think he will contribute something to this season. He has played well once or twice already. But then he will take that step down to mid table, upper mid. He may even move abroad.
Personally I hope he recuperates and finds his old form because every good player we have helps.
8.) 26 Jan 2019 14:04:10
Am amazed heās played 800 mins in 20 months. I would have thought it would be half that at the most! Heās not had it easy with injuryās to be fair to the lad.
9.) 26 Jan 2019 14:04:49
MK I like your way of thinking mate but I think you have moved the goal posts ever so slightly to make your point. I get what you're saying and for me Bobby and Mane have not been playing in midfield this season. Yes they do both drop deep but theyāre still forwards. Shaq also quite similar. Iām sure our midfielders go into the opposition box for corners and free Kicks so being a double 6 shouldnāt effect what they do in there for them.
10.) 26 Jan 2019 14:28:56
JK, the season that Chelsea won the league playing this system they had Matic and Kante in the "double 6" and I'd be amazed if they scored 5 goals between them over the whole season.
Go back to when we had Alonso and Mascherano and they rarely got 5 between them even though Xabi took free kicks and penalties occasionally.
I'm not sure it constitutes "moving the goal posts" to point out that we play with 2 holding midfielders and a front 4 this year. I think people may just be expecting too much from Fab, Hendo and Gini. They're not in the team to score. It's not a high press 3 man midfield anymore.
The midfielders letting us down in terms of goals scored (so far) are Lallana and Keita because they play in the 3 behind Salah and so far they have 0 goals and 1 assist combined.
11.) 26 Jan 2019 14:36:44
Mk so are we playing a front 4 or just Salah up front and Bobby and Mane in midfield? Interesting debate mate and I take your points onboard. For me though Iād like to see our midfielders contribute a little more on the assist and goal scoring front. Not being critical of them just an observation.
12.) 26 Jan 2019 15:01:11
JK23, it's a front 4 but there are 3 attacking midfielders behind a lone striker that make that up. That is what a 4-2-3-1 is. Some people call it a 4-5-1 but you'll never see anyone call it a 4-2-4.
The terminology is tit-for-tat really. The point is that the holding pair don't score many goals in this system. In fact, both Gini and Fabs only goals have come from corners. They just don't get far enough forward in open play to be genuine goal threats consistently. If they did, with the way our wing backs play, we'd start conceding loads of goals again.
13.) 26 Jan 2019 15:27:18
let's not bash players just because we're bored and this is the popular one to bash. A certain other midfielder hasn't scored in a far longer time frame despite being on the pitch far more often and players in his position scoring goals or a goal. Obviously that player is beyond criticism because its frowned upon but yes lallana is fair game.
14.) 26 Jan 2019 15:29:50
Mk happy mate. I totally get your point and I know what you mean by the no6ās donāt get as far forward but surely they can still assist from a midfield position their in and Iāve seen Fab and Wijnaldum have plenty of shots at goal. Wijnaldum (28), Fab (13), Milner (19), Kieta (19) and Hendo (10) to be exact. Between the 5 though they have a combined assist of 6. With Fab and Milner getting 5 of those.
15.) 26 Jan 2019 15:42:53
Nun Red, I'm not bashing anyone? Just pointing out how sad it was that Lallana's injury had taken him out just as he started to improve for us and become a key player.
16.) 26 Jan 2019 16:01:13
Iāve not seen any bashing. Iāve seen a couple of fans having a friendly grown up debate š¤.
17.) 26 Jan 2019 16:23:32
Lallana reminds me of Harry Kewell as in he seemed to play injury free more when he was younger but as he got older seemed to suffer from lots of niggles keeping him
Out for ages. And when he got back he wasn't the same player. Who can forget the CL final in 2005 for example.
18.) 26 Jan 2019 16:39:12
I see your point looking at those figures JK, but I'd be willing to bet that most of those shots came from outside the box. As long as we're scoring goals, it doesn't massively bother me if the holding pair aren't creating or scoring many. Their defensive work gives the rest of the midfield and both wing backs the license to join Salah in the final third. Robbo and Trent have plenty of assists. If they say back to let our midfielders go further forward, we'd lose their assists and struggle for width. Gini with 28 shots though, you could argue he should have 1 or 2 more and Naby should definitely have a goal or 2. It's not a major concern though.
19.) 26 Jan 2019 18:00:30
Very true MK, and I suppose the main stat is we are currently top of the league. As long as it stays that way when the season finishes then thatās all that counts. Iād love one of the midfielders to pop up with a goal or two though. Especially in the bigs games against the likes of City or Chelsea etc when we unfortunately havenāt got the 3 points.
19 May 2019 17:34:06
Ed025, Everton would still finish outside the top 6 even in that event š.
{Ed025's Note - i would have taken that after our mid season collapse MK, but we are back now mate so watch your backs.. :)
19 May 2019 14:58:28
Winning trophies is a habitual thing. The likes of the Super Cup, Community Shield, Club World Cup, Carabao Cup etc might not be major trophies, but they are trophies.
{Ed025's Note - so is the one for the egg and spoon race at our lady of the assumption U9,s MK....and would have the same prestige mate..
24 Apr 2019 11:22:44
Yes! It begins! I love a good "my mates brother in law rumour"
19 Apr 2019 14:47:01
Legend Ed002!
19 Apr 2019 11:23:59
Cheers 002, looking forward to it.
22 May 2019 16:25:03
Moggsy please just leave me alone. There are hundreds of posters on here. I'm sure you can entertain yourself without needing to interact with me. You know full well it was a personal attack and I'm really not in the mood to tolerate keyboard warriors.
22 May 2019 16:10:34
It is a big call, but Bobby won't have started a game for about a month by the time we get to the final. Without seeing how his body has recovered in training, I can't advocate starting him in a cup final. Klopp has that luxury though.
I agree that midfield trio doesn't work though mate. that's why i think we should keep Hendo, Fab and Milner. We will need Hendo and Milner's leadership, but I also think Wijnaldum is the best option for impact off the bench. Those first 15 minutes off the bench Barcelona had no answer for him. Plus this is the main club Trophy that has eluded Milner in his career so far so I bet he'll be fired up for it.
22 May 2019 10:06:56
Parker, you clearly missed the comment that was deleted. All i'll say is It was an opinion on me personally rather than on my opinions.
22 May 2019 10:05:04
I'd start the same team who started against Barcelona at Anfield (especially the midfield and defence) with the exception of Salah coming in for Shaqiri. I wouldn't even bring Firmino back in for Origi, or Gomez in for Matip.
Matip and Origi are in sublime form and don't deserve to be dropped for players coming back from injury and lacking match sharpness. Just my opinion though, because I don't see them in training every day! I'll back whoever Klopp starts with ultimately.
21 May 2019 18:41:02
I never said he would be good in the Salah/ Mane positions. I pointed out the positions he can and has played in. I never advocated him for those roles in our team.
All I was saying was that he'd be more of a Lallana replacement than a Sturridge replacement based on how he plays. When does Lallana play in our front 3? Kruse plays mostly as an attacking midfielder or as a false 9. He's not an out and out goal scorer like Sturridge is supposed to be.
I don't know what else to say. It'll just attract abuse as always.