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11 Feb 2021 18:13:52
Ismalia Sarr's agent claims he agreed a contract with Liverpool last month but that the clubs couldn't agree a transfer fee.
Might be one to watch in the summer. Would definitely be the end for Origi. Hopefully Taki has a great few months on the South Coast and Elliott comes back firing too. Along with Jota that'd be our attack sorted for years.
{Ed002's Note - He would be a Shaqiri replacement not Origi.}
1.) 11 Feb 2021 21:07:58
That's interesting Ed002. I kind of saw Elliott as more of a Shaqiri replacement. I'm not 100% sure on Sarr as a player but i am 100% sure i trust Klopp, Hunter and Edwards. I guess it would all hinge on sales we make or Watford agreeing to a payment plan though. Can't imagine their prized asset would come cheap. I'd expect a similar fee to Jota. Either a big cost up front, or smaller payments that cost more in the long run!
{Ed002's Note - If Sarr or Adama are signed it might prove the end of HE. Sarr would be off to AFCON as well. Watford have previously rejected Liverpool's offer to buy him on instalments.}
2.) 11 Feb 2021 23:25:54
Quite honestly I wouldn’t want either, I’m all for developing players etc but I don’t see enough in either of those two to warrant ridiculous fees and the loss of a better player.
{Ed002's Note - It is what led to the late deal for Jota.}
3.) 12 Feb 2021 06:18:46
I see Elliot more as a CAM than an option for the front 3. If we can find buyers for Shaq, Origi and Minamino, maybe we can afford to add Sarr as another option to our forward line.
4.) 12 Feb 2021 07:22:28
They signed Jota, only way Sarr would happen is if one of the front three left. The likes of sarr and trader are not going to want to sit on the bench all season.
Given the financial situation I don’t see a forward player a priority this summer unless one of the front three go.
Salah, Mane, Firmino, Jota, Elliot and Minamino should be more than enough.
5.) 12 Feb 2021 19:50:14
I think Taki needs a lot of gametime in the PL before he comes back. He's got so much energy for the game that I'd hate to see it wasted sitting on the bench.
6.) 14 Feb 2021 10:12:35
Ed02 it would hardly be the end of HE when city signed torres was that the end of foden?
{Ed002's Note - What are you talking about? They play in different positions.}
10 Nov 2020 14:54:18
Congratulations to Rhys Williams who has been recognised now as a First Team Squad member and officially listed on the club website as No.46.
What an impact he has had. Can't wait to see how he progresses this season.
1.) 10 Nov 2020 16:54:57
I’ve always had a hope that he’d return and prove that he has what it takes to play, since I used to watch him at U18 level there was a level of talent and determination you’d want to see from a young player.
Think the lower league stint has done him a world of good, he’s grown up both on and off the pitch, easy to forget he’s only 19!
Hopefully can kick on and push for that 4th CB role.
2.) 11 Nov 2020 12:02:38
Well deserved, always good to see graduates from the academy roped in.
3.) 11 Nov 2020 14:53:08
He’ll be getting even more games if these Gomez getting a serious injury on international duty are true.
4.) 12 Nov 2020 21:28:54
Great news. Homemade, homegrown talent (and whatever else they call it) always feels different, and certainly special, in comparison to going out there and buying talent from the market (even though that too is necessary.
06 Oct 2020 08:49:44
Ed002, just a quick question regarding our squad and what happens now. I've run through the official website and we have 34 players with allocated first team squad numbers. 9 of them are u21 so don't taje up a squad space. However 18 are non-HG and only 7 are HG. Of that 7 i can only see Wilson, Kelleher and maybe Phillips or Gomez (? ) who might count as club trained. Milner, Henderson and Ox certainly don't.
Surely this means one of the 18 non-HG players cannot be registered. Are all transfer windows shut now, or could we see Grujic or Shaqiri move to somewhere like Russia or China?
{Ed002's Note - Yes, I have explained this all summer. Gomez is not club trained. The CL squad will be limited to 24 with one Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, James Milner, Joe Gomez, Jordan Henderson or Nathanial Phillips dropping out.
Players can move to anywhere the transfer window remains open - Netherlands, Portugal, Russia etc..}
1.) 06 Oct 2020 10:52:12
Shaq won't be going anywhere now.
He's tested positive for C.V..
2.) 06 Oct 2020 12:59:54
Thanks Ed002. Wild suggestion/ question incoming. Could we register Shaqiri in the FA Cup and Champions League squad (but not Grujic), and then register Grujic in the Premier League squad (but not Shaqiri)? Purely hypothetical. I was just wondering if we will have a very upset player sat in the u23's if we can't sell/ loan one of them in time.
{Ed002's Note - You can register different players for the CL and for the PL.}
3.) 06 Oct 2020 18:07:19
Hi hope Shaq gets to play more for Liverpool i think he offers us more if played in the correct position thru the middle.
{Ed025's Note - he is in his best position rax...on the bench..
4.) 06 Oct 2020 18:18:19
A bubble shaped bench. Or a bench shaped bubble.
5.) 07 Oct 2020 05:31:27
He would walk into Everton’s team any day of the week Ed025.
{Ed025's Note - come on hughes,y get a grip, hes on a par with theo walcott who we have just binned, some of you reds do make me laugh, you think all your players are "world class" when in truth besides your first team you are harbouring a shedload of crap!, if he was any good he would be replacing vanilla firmino mate but he cant even get a game in your carabao cup team who were embarrassed by arsenal reserves last week ffs, please lay off the drugs or get treatment for delusions of grandeur friend..
6.) 07 Oct 2020 08:50:00
I wouldn’t agree with that Ed, he was not picked due to potential transfers away from the club, and we weren’t embarrassed by and arsenal team.
{Ed025's Note - thats my whole point SR, the reds are trying to get shut of him as he is dutch elm and surplus to requirement mate, the remark about arsenal was just a reposte in defence of remarks that he walks into the everton team when clearly thats not true, sometimes i should not bite..
7.) 07 Oct 2020 11:49:31
fair enough haha, i can see why you might get frustrated with those comments.
Everton midfield is looking decent, Shaq wouldn't get into that team currently, previously i would argue he could but not anymore!
i think the likes of wolves, arsenal and united should be worried about you competing for the top 4, you might run out of steam at some point but you have a world class manager at the helm and going to give all the big teams a run for their money!
hopefully will FINALLY make the derby's interesting again haha.
{Ed025's Note - yeah lets hope so SR mate..
18 Jul 2018 12:03:09
Not a rumour from anybody with any inside knowledge, but an Italian Engineer I work with says the general consensus in Italy is that the Alisson deal's done, and he personally reckons that his team (AC Milan) will sell Donarumma to Roma as the replacement. He's just a random Italian dude so take it with a pinch of salt. The Italian equivalent of "Keith down the local says so and so" 😂.
1.) 18 Jul 2018 12:33:57
Allisson bid accepted. £66.8m.
2.) 18 Jul 2018 12:52:12
Sergio down the pizzeria said so MK.
3.) 18 Jul 2018 13:31:46
It was more like "Lorenzo down at the Colloseum said-"
4.) 18 Jul 2018 13:39:02
Lorenzo IS Sergio's cousin and the name of the pizzeria IS The Colloseum, so I was right Adam😜.
10 Jul 2018 08:47:42
Not my rumours, just things I've read this morning.
Taiwo Awoniyi signs a new 5 year deal and and then joins Monaco on loan for 2 years?
Liverpool have contacted Juventus regarding Marko Pjaca and been quoted a price.
1.) 10 Jul 2018 09:00:26
Strange one about Taiwo, not sure how his development will go there. Will he even make the bench? All the best to him and hope it works out and we get a cracking player back. Cheers mk.
2.) 10 Jul 2018 09:29:38
Interesting one for Taiwo, thanks Adam, I think I read the same article earlier!
Makes absolute sense to me. Looks like Brewster is the one who's going to make the step up from the U-23s to the first team squad this season, and Solanke is pretty raw into the first team too.
Nice to give Taiwo a bit of stability and an opportunity to establish himself at a team that is at least Europa league level.
This may have formed part of the Fabinho negotiations as well.
3.) 10 Jul 2018 12:00:34
Eds or anyone that has seen Taiwo Awoniyi play.
Is this guy any good? Will this guy have a future with Liverpool or should we expect that he will be off soon.
I'm usually pretty good at keeping up with youth players but I have no idea what this guy is like as a player.
4.) 10 Jul 2018 12:56:41
Whilst i would be ecstatic about this happening i think the step up to be playing regularly for Monaco is too great a jump.
From what i read it was more the case he was going to remain in belgium but for one of the top teams e. g. Anderlecht. meaning he would be involved in europe.
5.) 10 Jul 2018 13:45:50
Taiwo Awoniyi must be very well thought of.
Im with george t on this one
Anyone seen him play enough to give an assessment on his potential?
6.) 10 Jul 2018 13:49:02
Monaco seems like a strange place for him to go, alright. The quickest way for him to get a work permit is to get into the Nigeria squad, and he'll have to be playing regularly to do that.
As for his playing style, think of Heskey but with more pace and better striking of the ball. The kid has a looooooooooooot of developing to do, though. He was only starting to finally find some consistency of performance last season, and will need to be starting games regularly to continue that.
So yeah TSR, it would make a LOT more sense for him to go to Brugge, Anderlecht, Liège, Gent or Genk. But of course, if he does end up at Monaco, I'll hope he becomes a roaring success and takes Falcao's place etc etc.
7.) 10 Jul 2018 15:49:44
Literally never seen him play aside from YouTube. I always forget about him every season!
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08 Feb 2021 07:49:04
I actually thought we were the better team for the first hour yesterday. Klopp's decision to hook Jones and Thiago for Milner and Shaqiri changed the game. We completely and utterly lost the midfield without Jones in there. He was superb last night. Tracking runners into the area, covering the defence on counter attacks, winning headers, hardly gave the ball away etc. Probably the worst substitution decision i've ever seen. He's also played hardly any football this calendar year so no way he was tired.
So on the plus side, we showed we could mix it with City and with better finishing could've been up a goal or 2. Sadly Alisson gifted them a 2 goal lead and we didn't have any control of the ball in midfield to get back into it. Kabak and Davies have a week of training now before we play again. Let's hope the coaching team get it right and we can now put our best midfielders back where they should have been last night. Getting battered 4-1 at home has got to hurt. If that doesn't kick the players into gear then god help us. The team of last season would not have given up even at 3-1 down with 15 minutes to go. They'd have believed. Hopefully this is the turning point that was needed. It's not a narrow 1-0 loss or an away defeat. This was our patch, and City just showed up and painted it blue.
We'll be back. Weirdly, losing 4-1 has made me more sure of it. Because i could finally see a bit of emotion on their faces at full time. That hurt.
1.) 08 Feb 2021 08:41:30
Nope we might have had the ball first half but we did not do much with it. Also i don't mane and salah have stopped taking a man on. The don't dribble they just keep going wide pr pass it behind. I don't think its a confidence thing and i believe that its something about keeping the ball because after villa where salah was especially taking on everyone he lost a few balls that led to the counter and we conceded 7 and after that result its in our head that we can't loose the ball upfront cuz we get sucked in.
And since we don't have hendo or fab on midfield to close down and press we are over compensating it in the final third by holding the ball far too long.
It also effects the full backs who have no overlap run going atm as mane and salah either drift wide or keep passing back to them. Without a target body in the centre they have to either pass back or useless one two and then pass back.
Its easy to see the issue is personnel. The makeshift strategy to play fab and hendo should have been 2 or 3 matches at max and blood in rhys and philips but klopp for reasons known to him does not trust them and he continues to play best midfielders as defenders and change the spine of the team.
Alcantara and jones aren't the amswers. They are luxury players. We will see the best of them when they have hendo and fab to help them in midfield. Them two in midfield protect the defenders and also press from midfield which wins us possession which in turn gives a free license to fullbacks which gives salah and mane enough space and freedom to cut in and score.
Its not happening atm and with the losses in our head our confidence is shot.
2.) 08 Feb 2021 08:50:51
Best post I have read since the game ended. I fully agree with everything you have said, MK. I thought overall as well, we way more than held our own in the game till the point Allisson's head went.
More positives, IMO: City had one shot on target in open play (their goal) all game long till that point while we had 3. We had a Mane header and Jones shot that could have given another goal. Allisson had ONE save to make all game which was the shot he parried that Gundogan scored off the rebound. Defensively, I thought we did more than okay.
We more than matched them in midfield as well even tho, we weren't that great. We forced mistakes and this led to the equalizer so I can understand why Klopp said the performance till the AB errors was very good cos under the circumstances and in our position, it was. The subs? I don't know what happened there, tbh. Was it planned? Were Jones (who was brilliant all game) and Thiago carrying injuries? Maybe the Ed's can help us here cos I don't know what that was about.
At full time, I felt for the players cos it was like Kiev all over again BUT I will NEVER slate Allisson any more than that cos frankly w/ o his miraculous saves over the past three seasons, NONE of this even happens. We go again!
3.) 08 Feb 2021 09:22:14
After the 3/ 4 years these guys have given us this is an expected lull I think, magnified by the number of injuries. For me it’s now time to put both the new centre half’s in, move hendo and Fabinho back into midfield and start to dominate teams with front foot football.
4.) 08 Feb 2021 09:23:40
Akrubissh, you make your valid points BUT on the Rhys and Nat point, I disagree. Klopp did play Rhys (esp in the CL) and Phillips so he did blood them in. For Rhys, it did not work out and we all know that so you cannot put that on Klopp for not blooding him in. On Phillips, he was good based on the opposition we were playing BUT vs a cool customer like City with multiple ways of attacking, it would have been a big ask for him and had had he failed, many on here would be blasting Klopp for killing his confidence so I can understand Klopp's theory here.
Now people can say that if Hendo was in midfield then, it would have helped. That is true vs any other team. Vs City? I don't think so for obv. reasons. Apart from this slight disagreement, your post is spot on.
5.) 08 Feb 2021 09:36:51
I’m dumb founded at how you two saw the game last night.
I’m still unsure what we were trying to do.
I guess conserve energy and not over-commit, and it looked like we were getting back in numbers with, unusually for us, often all 11 in Red in our own half when City were in possession.
But we were not breaking with speed or getting people in the box, and when City did get a counter attack, they were quicker flooding forwards.
Thiago is a stroller, he moves the ball nicely, but the PL is looking too quick for him to get up and down.
If he’s supposed to be the furthest forward, he’s not creating chances or looking a goal threat himself and he hasn’t got the pace to get in the box on the counter.
Jones takes his queue from the senior players around him, and he was in stroll mode as well. Like many modern young midfielders, they don’t want to do box-box, it’s all about playing in a certain area and that’s your lot.
That midfield yesterday was about as far removed from the contemporary Liverpool midfield as could be.
6.) 08 Feb 2021 10:01:22
Hi Oli, the issue is he has not trusted either of the centre backs at all despite them two being his only choice for quite some while. he never changed the system at all to suit them as he is adamant on playing out from back it is clear to two year olds that we do not have the personnel for it due ro the injuries. If he expects rhys and nat to play like vvd and gomez, it won't happen. He knew we are shot in defense and they are not that bad as people have made out. Sometimes you have to support and back these players. Playing players out of position regularly is never the answer. One of Nat or rhys should have been first choice defender and this should have happened back in December but he kept on chopping and changing.
I understand injuries are main reason for us not being in title race but klopps team selection is definitely the reason for lack lustre football we have been playing.
7.) 08 Feb 2021 10:01:33
Juicer, the counter points to your argument reside in the arguments themselves. You say, we looked to get bodies back which is unusual. Well, are you surprised? We cannot go gung ho in our situation due to obv. reasons so why are you asking the boys to do what they clearly are unable to do?
Also, you say we are not breaking speed to get people in the box. Answer: Cos we afe low on confidence and also fully aware of the damage City can do on the counter so we are literally playing with the handbreak on due to our midfielders playing in defence, the very people that facilitate the our ability to "break speed and get people in the box".
Thiago is a stroller. Sorry, none of that is true. I am sure you know that he is coming back from a dreadful injury that could have ended his season so he may not be match sharp yet. More importantly, he was not signed to be a box to box mid with energy to burn. He was signed to give us that creative spark and help unlock parked buses further forward with a wall of Fab and Hendo and/ or Gini built behind him. How is that going to happen when the "wall" is playing in defence and him at times having to play the 6
role where he cannot influence games? Just asking.
8.) 08 Feb 2021 10:20:50
I think you’re absolutely spot on MK we were marginally the better team if you look at the game as a whole probably up to the Ali mistakes.
It was cagey and we weren’t at our best but City offered very little other than a couple of Sterling runs.
Sadio has to score that header and it’s a different game. Just like Salah had to score the early chance against Brighton last week.
I think some are so preoccupied with trying to criticise the way we played that they are losing sight of the fact that City were not that great either. We kind of cancelled each other out and it’s not the first time that’s happened even when we were flying.
I think we’d all say that the 3-1 win against City last season was a huge turning point in us winning the title but that was a close game and on another day the ref gives a pen against Trent and Fabs’ goal is ruled out and we go 1-0 down. Different game.
The margins are so small when we play City so when you are bang in the game and your keeper gifts them 2 goals in a couple of minutes winning becomes impossible. Just as it would’ve been for them if their keeper had made those mistakes.
It is what it is. We move on.
9.) 08 Feb 2021 10:21:15
Well why is Thiago playing atm then, because he’s neither creating chances or unlocking anything?
An earlier post summed it perfectly.
It’s a remake of Brendan Rodgers’ hit drama “Death by Football”.
A 38 part serial of intrigue and mystery, a who-dunnit where the answer may only be revealed at the very end.
10.) 08 Feb 2021 10:58:41
For me, only 3 of the players who started had bad games yesterday. Wijnaldum offered nothing. Trent got done by Sterling on 3 occasions by the same shoulder drop and feint. He has to learn his lesson after they missed the penalty. You let someone waltz past you 3 times in a game and it'll result in a goal at least once as it did. Lastly and most obviously, Alisson can't gift them 2 goals in 5 minutes. Worse still that it was the exact same mistake both times.
The other 8 players in our team probably didn't deserve to lose. If you think Jones was strolling you are hardly worth discussing the game with as the result has blinded you from individual performances. If Jones hadn't sprinted back to stop Foden when he was through 1 on 1 early in the game we'd have been 1-0 long before the 48th minute.
This is Man City. We were never going to completely dominate them or have no difficult moments. But we were in the game for an hour an looked just as likely to go on and win as they did. You just can't legislate for one of the best keepers in world football giving the ball away in his own penalty area twice. It was a meltdown akin to Karius in Kiev. Alisson has more than enough credit in the bank to be let off one bad game in 3 years though, no matter how frustrating it is that he picked Man City to do it!
11.) 08 Feb 2021 11:03:34
Juicer, I will never compare Klopp's team to BR's team cos that is just wrong. BR did not have to contend with what Klopp has had to contend with and even worse, Klopp got BR's players to a League Cup final and a European final so I will let that comparison die a slow death.
Now to your comment, You say Thiago is not unlocking anything or creating any chances. I am sure you know that players like Thiago need movement and runs in front of them so they can thread these pases thru for the strikers to make hay, yeah? Have you seen us do that consistently of note? Have you seen our forwards make those runs even when the spaces were there and even yesterday, the spaces were there and they did/ could not do it. Is that Thiago's fault?
The only times we have done that in the past 2 months were at Utd in the Cup, at Spurs and at WH? Howmany go.
12.) 08 Feb 2021 11:13:51
Juicer, pressed send too soon so I will try again. Your comparison of BR to Klopp, is just asinine cos BR did not have to deal with all the probs. Klopp has dealt with and furthermore, BR left Klopp a right mess when he left and got the same players BR said were rubbish, to a League Cup and European final so let that comparison die a slow death, yeah.? BR will NEVER be in Klopp's league.
Now to respond to your comment. You asked why Thiago is not creating or unlocking anything. I am sure you are aware that players like Thiago thrive with movement and runs from attackers ahead of them so they can play the ball into the spaces for them to run into. So tell me, have you seen our forwards do that consistently of late? Did you see that happen yesterday even when the spaces were there? If the answer is no (which it is) then, is that Thiago's fault?
Actually the only times we had runners ahead of Thiago was at Utd in the Cup, at Spurs and at WH. How many goals did we score? 8. How many could we have scored? More. Did Thiago play well in those games vs Spurs and WH? Yes. Even in the derby, he was flawless with his passing cos the movement was there. Listen, you can slam Thiago all you want cos that may make you feel better BUT you cannot deny the very facts I have provided to rebutt your arguments that our issues have absolutely nothing to do with him, IMO. Cheers, bro.
13.) 08 Feb 2021 11:30:00
"Jones was strolling". Absolute crap.
14.) 08 Feb 2021 11:44:47
Wish I could agree with the last statement MK but I feel its blind optimism my friend. The signs are something is not right. Klopp is constantly getting snarky and biting reporters heads off. If that were Mourinho wed have started to say he's losing the plot a long time ago. Trents interview before the City game just seemed lifeless.
Yes it's a strange tough season. We've had terrible injuries and no fans to contend with. But despite that I still feel like it's been handled poorly. Square pegs have been jammed in round holes too many times. Take a step back and think should we be losing at home to Burnley and Brighton on the bounce? Should our only home goal since before Christmas be a penalty?
Klopp has a lot of credit in the bank to deserve time to put it right next season. But I can't blindly think we'll suddenly get better after a 4-1 home defeat.
15.) 08 Feb 2021 16:50:20
Bledd85 in our position and under the current circumstances, we can lose to anyone right now. Examples? Utd with a fully fit squad got absolutely toyed with and outplayed by Sheff. Utd. and completely bottled it vs Everton so we have no given right to win games just by turning up. You have to earn the right to win games and we cannot do that right now cos cannot even compete on an even playing field for obv. reasons. Focusing on lesser teams is futile. Look at the big picture. We are struggling against everyone.
16.) 09 Feb 2021 10:28:37
Absolutely correct Oli no team can expect to turn up and just win it has to be earned. But let me ask you this if Phillips had a solid run in the team for a few months and freed up Henderson or Fabinho to go back to midfield would we have had a better chance? Would we also be in a better position if Kabak or Davies was then introduced to play alongside him freeing up another of our midfielders to do what they do best? Would we better off not persisting with Wijnaldum who has literally offered nothing the last few months?
Would you not agree Klopps demeanour with interviews suggest something is amiss? he's gone from rolling with the punches and laughing off stupid questions to having a pop at people for looking at him funny.
Like you said we are struggling against everyone. But the worrying thing is keep doing the same thing expecting to improve.
06 Feb 2021 11:27:48
What made this team special was their hunger. Everyone told us that Man City were too strong and that it couldn't be done so they found an extra 20% and did it anyway.
As soon as it got to a point where we all knew we'd win the league and there was nothing to play for, that is when the form dropped off a cliff. The hunger is gone in my opinion and what's worse is it's been replaced with expectation. We've gone from wanting to prove everyone wrong to now having the pressure of being favourites.
Klopp always said it was about mentality. A squad of giants and monsters. The strength in mentality has gone AWOL. Villa beat us 7-2 when our only significant player out was Mane. The injuries haven't helped but i do think some people are deliberately ignoring the bigger issue because it scares them. Since February 29th last year we've now lost 12 games and drawn 10, winning only 22. I mean keeping that in perspective, that is still the form of a top 4-6 team. If you win half you games and draw a quarter, you'll finish on 60-70 points no bother. We've not become a bad team overnight. We are just not realistic title challengers playing like this, but we've come back from much worse.
I love Liverpool FC. The 2 happiest moments of my life were My son being born and Hendo lifting Champions League. So maybe my passion makes it hard to be objective at times. But from the outside looking in, when Watford beat us 3-0 and the possibility to be "Invincible" was gone the mentality changed (because the title was already won) . Then Atletico and Chelsea ended our cup runs in the same breath. Then the players had to sit at home for months waiting which slightly tainted what should've been a special moment. Finally, when they came back, no crowds just exacerbated the motivation issues. In fact it probably hurt us more than anyone because our home form was by far the best in the league, and the players were robbed of celebrating a huge achievement properly.
Klopp and the players have to find something to galvanise themselves. Maybe it will be pride or maybe we will just have to wait for when the fans are back. We live in hope. Klopp has 10-15 very good players, and he's a world class coach. I'm confident we'll be back with a bang eventually but it might require bigger changes than some care to admit.
We can all see the players who just aren't good enough or fit enough. Players like Adrian, Matip, Keita, Chamberlain, Shaqiri and Origi are stealing a wage to be honest. Wijnaldum clearly wants out too and should've got the boot last summer in hindsight. I know some think they deserve a free pass, but if people calling them out bothers you more than it bothers you how they are taking about £500k a week out the club in wages, then can we just agree to disagree instead of arguing over who the better fans are?
I will finish off positive, as hard as it is right now (and not even just for football reasons) . I do not mean to come across so negative at times. If you look through our team you will see a lot of players who still have their best years ahead of them. Trent, Gomez, Kabak, Jones, Jota etc. Some accounts suggest Harvey Elliott is going to be one of the top players in the world. I must say he reminds me personally of a young David Silva so there is a lot to be excited for. The future is bright for our football club.
You know what comes next as well is people will say this team were one season wonders and they can't do it again. Then the hunger to prove themselves will definitely come back even stronger. Klopp took us from mid table to the top of the world. So i'm sure he can lift us from 4th this time. If we go and win Big Ears again, nobody will remember January 2021 anyway.
1.) 06 Feb 2021 11:57:36
Wonderful post MKS.
2.) 06 Feb 2021 12:13:13
Class post Adam👍When you say bigger changes than some will care to admit what do mean by that?
3.) 06 Feb 2021 12:13:22
Like it MK
Cracking post
🤙.
4.) 06 Feb 2021 12:18:41
MK, you make some valid points. One thing tho: I see you mention the game vs Watford as when the mentality went out of the players. That is actually not true. If you looked closely in the games before then like vs Spurs away, WH at home and even at the Club World Cup, we were running on fumes physically and even Klopp said do and players like VVD already started to tail off perf wise. We were running on adrenaline forcthe most part esp vs Leicester after we played in Dubai with no rest at all.
This is understandable due to the levels we had been playing at giechel 18 months before that. As for what happened after lockdown, not really bothered about it cos some teams came out of it well like Utd while others like Leicester did not hence, they lost their top 4 place to. Utd. We won the title so wedergeven to tail off a bit afterwards, IMO. The Villa game was a one off for me where everyone was poor. Our form was still iffy even after VVD got injured but when Gomez got injured is when I think, things started to get tough mentally. Add AB1 being in and out of the team and Thiago/ Salah/ Mane and Jota out due to injury and/ or CV then, what are we really expecting here?
The injuries/ absences have only piled up ever since and it has drained the team mentally as well. Now you mention the players that are not good enuff but realistically some of them are the backups of the backups like Origi behind Jota. Without injury, none of these guys including Phillips and Rhys would be starting and in fact, Phillips would have been gone had all our CB options not been decimated by injuries. I just think our injuries have caught up with us finally and with little time to train and obviously rotate, this is what you get.
5.) 06 Feb 2021 12:22:56
When you take into account Liverpools net spend over the last 5 years what we have a chieved is nothing short of remarkable.
14 clubs in the Prem have a higher net spend than us.
Man City = Arab Money 100 mill per season
Man Utd = Created revenue 75.8 mill per season
Chelsea = Russian Mob Money 26.6 mill per season
Everton = Russian Mob Money 55 mill per season
Arsenal = Created Revenue 49.8 mill per season
Brighton = Created Revenue 39.5 mill per season
Bournemouth = Created 26.7 mill per season (relegated)
West Ham Sold their Stadium 31.1 mill per season
Wolves Chinese Money 37 mill per season
Leicester Thai Money 22.5 mill per season
Newcastle Mike Ashley 21.5 mill per season
A Villa Egyptian Money 39.6 mill per season
Tottenham Created Revenue 18.9 mill per season
LIVERPOOL Created Revenue 18.5 mill per season
Just shows Klopp and team have done an outstanding job, but probably couldn't maintain it for more than a few years.
6.) 06 Feb 2021 12:37:03
Same stuff being posted daily. They're in a rut struggling with injuries, not rocket science.
7.) 06 Feb 2021 12:51:52
BarryinLouth, i'm talking about guys like Wijnaldum, Matip and Origi. Guys who were cult heroes not long ago, who's time at Liverpool has realistically come to an end. Some won't want to hear that, but as vital as they were to the success in the last 2 seasons, nothing lasts forever.
Langland, i make you right there. What Klopp/ Edwards have done relative to what others have spent it's been very successful.
OliRed, it's hard to pin it on just one moment. I think it was a culmination of all the results which led to the back end of last season becoming a dead rubber. As it turned out you can't just turn winning mentality on and off like it's a switch. The players are probably mentally exhausted though. I think the signing of Kabak and Davies will freshen up the group a bit and hopefully we can kick on once they're both in the team and we get our midfield back.
8.) 06 Feb 2021 13:47:32
Understood Adam and agree👍.
9.) 06 Feb 2021 17:44:21
I fully agree with you, MK. It is never one moment that you lose a winning or even a losing mentality cos it takes a while to get it hence, takes a while to lose it.
Let’s b real here bro, what this team has accomplished in the past three seasons is nothing short of legendary, no if’s or but’s about it. Even Fergie was not this good in terms if points rally and CL success, IMO. As Langland posted the figures above, there is NO team in Europe that could achieve what we have achieved under the strict FSG model of ownership, IMO. Not one.
Therefore your post gives a more realistic take on our current situation cos a model like this would take longer to materialise into trophies BUT our boys have done so in a shorter time by sheer will, desire, ability and mental fortitude that would make Rocky blush. This season, there is just too much headwinds to rise above for this group of heroes and even when the boys are trying on the pitch, the body does not seem to respond like before cos heads have gone mentally. Always nice to hear from you, bro.
18 Jan 2021 15:10:56
Very frustrating season so far.
It almost says it all that Alisson has been our best player. If he wasn't playing for us you only need to watch Villa putting 7 past Adrian to see where we'd be.
1.) 18 Jan 2021 16:38:39
Fabs has saved our skin a few times too! him and Becker been Notting but the dogs b#%#%# top players!
14 Jan 2021 08:37:42
I'm really surprised that Van den Berg hasn't at least had a chance this season. Was very highly regarded when he signed and has the pace to play in a high line.
Seems like a Tiago Ilori situation all over again.
Anybody know what is going on with him? Koumetio, Williams and Phillips all seem to have jumped above him in pre-season. Attitude issue, physical development stunted, or just considered not good enough?
1.) 14 Jan 2021 09:15:55
Agreed MK. It does seem a bit odd doesn't it?
The only thing that could make sense is that he isn't really performing in training and so Klopp really doesn't think he is at the required level yet (similar to what is happening with Saliba at Arsenal)?
Bit of a shame if true really, he has gone from being a young player who has Dutch Eredivisie experience, to a lad behind Rhy Williams in the pecking order!
Red Sandman.
2.) 14 Jan 2021 09:28:26
I can only assume that folks are developing at different rates and that Sepp is a later bloomer?
Its only Billy that's ahead of him from an age group point of view, Adam, the others are older than him and therefore already have more experience.
Koumetio could be the exceptional one rather than Sepp not being well regarded? He is only 19 after all, Adam.
3.) 14 Jan 2021 09:45:59
Just based on when he has been in the team he looked a million miles off being first team ready. Physically especially he looked awkward and needed to fill out. I'm not going to pretend I watch the U23s so can't comment on how he's been there.
What I would say is for really tall young players which we will want in a CB it's going to be hard to judge I'm 6"5 and at 25 am only starting to properly feel 'filled out' in my body and up until 21 playing low level sports I suffered a lot with niggly injuries and back pain.
Not saying any of this applies to sepp but it's something to consider with tall young players for sure, I think he is 6"3 or so.
4.) 14 Jan 2021 09:54:47
VDB is simply not deemed to be ready yet, at this point. That is the only conclusion I can make.
5.) 14 Jan 2021 10:04:39
I think he's 6ft4 so could be an issue with filling out as he does look very lean. Rhys Williams though i believe is actually younger by a few months. Certainly they're both 19.
We'll have to see in time if he bounces back. Was just wondering if i'd missed something from the club or if anybody had an inside scoop.
Btw, PickleRick; inspired choice of username.
6.) 14 Jan 2021 10:21:40
Isn't he close to a loan deal?
7.) 14 Jan 2021 10:32:32
I think speed will ultimately be an issue for VDB. Well, that is the impression I get. The same unfortunately applies to Rhys.
8.) 14 Jan 2021 10:59:37
Cheers MK, I had an account here for the guts of the last 10 years so am well aware of you! but unfortunately got locked out of it so now am PickleRick! Good to see you back aswell by the way hadn't seen you for a while.
Following on and again I can only use myself as an example I know well but I played CB and at underage levels could easily cope physically but then when you play against men with 'man strength' I was completely out of depth I wasn't stable enough essentially and could get bullied and put off balance by people who probably even weighed less than me.
Again can not say this is a definite issue for sepp but I wouldn't be surprised if in training let's say Salah who is very clever in using his body imo could just be backing into him and turning quickly on him while he's off balance. It's not an overly technical flaw it's just simply a physical one that can't really be easily fixed apart from with time and consistent strength and conditioning.
18 Nov 2020 08:45:46
Anyone know if Thiago is mates with Cavani? Have a look at his tackle on Richarlison from last night in Brazil vs Uruguay 😬.
1.) 18 Nov 2020 18:19:17
That was a bad one, MKS. Hope Richarlison is okay.
24 Feb 2021 08:11:20
6 weeks being reported.
18 Feb 2021 14:03:59
Can't knock Gerrard for this season. He's doing more with Rangers than Brenda managed with Celtic. Getting to a European knock out stage with Championship rejects is not to be sniffed at.
16 Feb 2021 07:17:23
Grealish will be well beyond our means unless Mane or Salah were sold. Think about his reputation, his importance to Villa, his actual ability, and his marketability when he inevitably becomes Englands poster boy. That right there is a £100-150m transfer.
11 Feb 2021 21:07:58
That's interesting Ed002. I kind of saw Elliott as more of a Shaqiri replacement. I'm not 100% sure on Sarr as a player but i am 100% sure i trust Klopp, Hunter and Edwards. I guess it would all hinge on sales we make or Watford agreeing to a payment plan though. Can't imagine their prized asset would come cheap. I'd expect a similar fee to Jota. Either a big cost up front, or smaller payments that cost more in the long run!
{Ed002's Note - If Sarr or Adama are signed it might prove the end of HE. Sarr would be off to AFCON as well. Watford have previously rejected Liverpool's offer to buy him on instalments.}
07 Jan 2021 14:48:40
I think we should keep Milner until he retires in 2022. When he signed his contract he spoke of his desire to coach at Liverpool when he hangs up his boots. He is the ultimate role model and still a very dependable player in multiple positions.
01 Mar 2021 11:06:46
Was definitely a new system. In possession, Trent was almost in a back 3 at times with Phillips and Kabak. Thiago and Gini were essentially a double pivot. Jones and Robertson were both pushing so high it was almost a front 5. It worked. Sheffield were lucky it wasn't 3 or 4 and they only have poor finishing/ Ramsdale to thank for it.
We were also say about 20 yards deeper when we were defending which meant Adrian had a lot less ground to cover. I was pleased with the performance as a team, but Jones especially was sensational.
27 Feb 2021 19:51:26
Foden didn't go on loan though Oli. He stayed at City, accepted his role as a squad player, and learned every day in training how to conduct himself at the highest level from players like Kompany and Silva.
Elliott would definitely learn more on that side of things training alongside Salah, Virgil and Hendo. This loan has been perfect though, i admit. Blackburn are under no pressure so he is playing regularly and with freedom. They're also based very close to Liverpool.
However, how would he fair on loan at a team like Brighton if results start going against them and the manager had the classic response? Loan players become the scapegoat, and senior players get called on. Or maybe he goes to Leeds and they are suddenly in a relegation battle? Bielsa walks, Allardyce or Pulis come in to steady the ship and Elliott is cast aside because he's not 6ft3.
Loans are risky. He needed a loan to bulk up and get used to being roughed up by men as he looked physically weak last season. I just really strongly believe he is best off being coached by Klopp, than guys like Mowbray. Of course i fully respect your right to disagree though.
26 Feb 2021 11:29:34
It's just a light hearted joke Ed!
I was just alluding to the fact that we need more goals in midfield in my opinion. I'm pretty sure Curtis Jones is our highest scoring midfielder this season. Hendo and Fabinho are only good for about 3 each a season. Last year we had Ox score 8 but he's disintegrated and most were from the wing anyway.
Bissouma has less than 11 career goals in over 151 appearances. His best season total in his career is 3. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest he will ever become a regular goal scorer. Scores great goals when he does score though. I don't see why we need Bissouma when we already have Henderson, Fabinho and Thiago. We really need a midfielder who can get forward and take a bit of goal scoring pressure off the front 3. It's a shame it's not Grujic to be honest.
{Ed001's Note - because Henderson is reaching the point where injuries are always going to rule him out for periods of a season and Bissouma is nothing like Thiago. Plus, as I pointed out, he provides the Millie-like utility we need.}
26 Feb 2021 11:16:14
Atalanta 0-5. Pure domination. Jota hattrick. Away against a top European team.
Mo Salah by a country mile. The only injury free player whose form hasn't really wavered except when the whole team was off the boil.
Mo Salah counter attack from a West Ham corner. Trent to Shaq. Shaq to Mo. What. A. Goal.
26 Feb 2021 10:11:19
That would be a massive kick in the teeth to Clarkson and Cain!
Gini doesn't need replacing in my opinion. Jones, Ox, Keita, Milner and Thiago can all play in midfield with the main men (Hendo and Fabinho) .
But added to that i think the 3 man midfield is coming to an end. Jota, Minamino and Elliott will all be knocking on the door for a starting role so we might see a 4-2-3-1 become more common as it was at the start of this year before Jota got injured.
Only way we need a midfielder is if Ox or Keita also go (which i'm not actually against) . Our squad is so bloated though. If we did move on one of those 2 as well, then we should move for Soucek in my opinion.
We definitely don't need an 18 year old though. We have good players in our own academy. If Gini and Keita/ Ox go we should look at a player who can make an immediate impact. That is also not Bissouma by the way. We don't need more midfielders who get a nosebleed in the penalty area.
{Ed001's Note - Bissouma gets a nosebleed in the penalty area? That is an outright lie. Please check your facts on how he plays before making up nonsense. He might not score many for Brighton, but that is because of the way he is asked to play. He plays as an attacking midfielder sometimes (and as a right-back, right-mid, left-mid, defensive mid and central mid) just not for Brighton. He is certainly not averse to getting into the box when given the freedom to do so.} Become a Patron!