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08 Apr 2023 12:39:06
Liverpool have "deepened" their talks with Alexis Mac Allister in recent weeks, according to Matteo Moretto.


1.) 08 Apr 2023 12:45:15
@ the rumoured 60m, who is the better purchase, AMM or Caicedo, if they were to be playing alongside Jude.

2.) 08 Apr 2023 12:51:06
Would Bellingham and this guy be 'enough' to revamp the MF or do we need 3 in the door?

3.) 08 Apr 2023 13:00:15
If we got mccallaister and Bellingham we should be jumping through hoops with delight PA. I'd keep Fabinho in this case though to fight with bajectic for DM. Henderson for experience and leadership. Morton and Elliot. That's a stacked midfield in my eyes.

The odd man out may be Thiago in this case who is an unreal player but may benefit from sunnier climate.

4.) 08 Apr 2023 13:03:20
We need 3. A full new midfield. Can’t be making the same mistake all over again.

5.) 08 Apr 2023 13:04:54

6.) 08 Apr 2023 13:14:51
Personally, I still think there should be one more in the midfield and a CB. I hope there is a FA out there that we can get or a player from a club that will be relegated that will be a good "bargain". I'm also not convinced the front line is right. I don't know if it is the players or the formation. It seems to me Nunez and Gakpo are playing out of position and we aren't sufficiently taking advantage of their strengths. Am I wrong about that?

7.) 08 Apr 2023 13:20:03
Bellingham with either of them woud be amazing. Rabbiot on a free for the icing on the cake. But I'll take Ed2s advice and certainly not hold my breath. Could easily end up with Ward Prowse and Nunes :)

8.) 08 Apr 2023 13:21:46
I vote for 3 in the door. Ox and Keita will not be part of the rebuild. I think Milner and Thiago should not, be either (thank you Milner for superb service all these years - please stay on as a coach) . And Henderson and Fabinho will probably stay as the "transition" into the new rebuild, from the bench. Nobody else is going to pay the wage packets they are on, anyway.

Bellingham, Caicedo/ Mac Allister and Kephren Thuram would be amazing. But will cost crazy money. And FSG don't do crazy money, except for agents.

9.) 08 Apr 2023 13:29:18
Does anyone actually think we can afford to stump up 150M on Jude as well as 60M McAllister? I really doubt it.

10.) 08 Apr 2023 13:33:25
Henderson, Milner, Morton can go.

11.) 08 Apr 2023 13:58:35
Surely the invesment monies will change things up from the usual FSG aproach, at least for the rebuild?
Bringing the wages down a great deal means more to spend too-on players on lower wages hopefully.

Does anyone know if Gvardiol is likely to move on this summer? Throw him into the mix and it could be a 300m+ spend.

{Ed014's Note - just out of interest, why are you posting under this user name and “spaceman” and having a conversation with yourself on the same thread??‍♂️?‍♂️

12.) 08 Apr 2023 14:48:49
Brilliant! That is so funny! Chatting to himself ???.

13.) 08 Apr 2023 14:56:47
Personally I don't want Caicedo anywhere near the club. His statement to try and force a move in January was embarassing. He's an over rated flake. Got Keita written all over it. You watch him start acting like billy big balls the moment he gets his big move.

McAllister is a top player though. Better than Caicedo in every facet of his game and despite being an actual World Cup winner he just went back to Brighton and got on with his job.

14.) 08 Apr 2023 15:10:47
Feel like I’m talking to myself on here sometimes, but anyone with 2 sets of log ins is a troll imo. Own it.

15.) 08 Apr 2023 15:22:15
My Jaysus, lunatics on that site?.

16.) 08 Apr 2023 14:39:03
Ed14???. How do u see game going Sunday? Think if use get the 3pts use will win it out.

{Ed014's Note - literally no idea mate, clearly I’d love 3 pts but it’s Anfield so a huge game.

We’ve still got City and Newcastle away and Brighton and Chelsea at home so no one’s going to give it too us that’s for sure.

17.) 08 Apr 2023 16:12:48
That is absolutely hilarious Ed. And very embarrassing at the same time ?.

18.) 08 Apr 2023 16:30:28
Caicedo should be our first signing above all others.

19.) 08 Apr 2023 17:08:12
"Deepened their talks"?
Are they holding them in a submarine?

20.) 08 Apr 2023 17:33:10
Brighton wouldn’t sell Caicedo for £70mil in Jan.
Since then he’s signed a new contract.
I don’t see him going anywhere this summer.

21.) 08 Apr 2023 19:07:57
@Flash, the more serious talks get with a player, the deeper the voice gets for the negotiations we send to the talks.

22.) 08 Apr 2023 20:43:09
Caicedo but don’t think you get him for 60m.

23.) 08 Apr 2023 20:55:48
WDW are we at Ian Curtis baritone level yet?

24.) 08 Apr 2023 21:35:42
Brilliant, Ed014. Now we all see the schizophrenia, paranoia and bipolar personality being involved on these pages, can bring about. ?.

{Ed014's Note - they’re walking amongst us mate ?‍♂️?

25.) 08 Apr 2023 23:48:11
@Flash, still at the Jimmy Somerville stage as yet ….

26.) 09 Apr 2023 00:44:45
Dude, at least use a VPN if you're going to sockpuppet.

27.) 09 Apr 2023 01:15:50
Mc Alister won't be 60m they will hold out and he's a pro respectful to them so will have to be the right deal to get him

Looked better then Enzo at the world Cup for me aswell I think him and jade sort out a lot of our issues.

28.) 09 Apr 2023 07:50:06
Mac Allister and Bellingham with a CB puts us right back in the mix I think.
I would sell Jota and replace with someone that suits our style better and can guarantee goals.

29.) 09 Apr 2023 08:16:51
Bellingham andMcAllister would be an excellent window.

30.) 09 Apr 2023 08:38:11
WDW I suppose we have to wait for those balls to drop then.

31.) 09 Apr 2023 09:49:41
Macallister and Bellingham would be more than enough for one window. In fact if we got them then I would consider it as almost as good as when we got Becker and VVD. Trying to integrate 2 new midfielders is going to be hard enough as it is let alone a third and would also block the youngsters from coming through. Our squad is too big as it is and we def don't need to replace ox and keita as they have essentially been medical bench warmers for the last couple of years. We have Morton, Bajectic (who if he comes back unscathed from his injury could def challenge Fab), Elliot Hendo, Thiago and possibly Jones to act as backup. So that would be 9 players covering 3 spots as Milner (much as I love him) is going to take much more of a backseat. That means that it gives a year to assess if the youngsters will be able to make the step up to replace Hendo and/ or Fab. If not then we can look at another transfer.

32.) 09 Apr 2023 10:02:57
MK - you talk about 21 year old Caicedo’s actions (advised by his novice agent and Gooners reps) in January as embarrassing yet have no issue with 28 year old Rabiot’s mother still being given license to cause mayhem whenever she pleases.

We love a bit of double standarding.

33.) 09 Apr 2023 10:39:02
I think the majority think we need a midfield overhaul

To spend circa £150m on one player when arguably we could do with 2/ 3 would be barmy.

34.) 09 Apr 2023 12:00:46
Il be honest lads I think Bellingham was nailed on until we’ve turned to absolute pony this season so I’d say we are more likely to be going after someone like
Mount and maybe another like a macallister 2 lads who will run themselves in to the ground for klopp and maybe a free like rabiot to add quality but without having to break the bank . I’d also make sure we signed a right back and centre half because virg needs to be able to rest he’s not a machine and the chinks in his armour are their on show now and I’m potentially gunna get slated on here and maybe even egg on my face but Trent is finished at right back for me . The lad needs a fresh start in a new position it like he’s just gave up.



06 Apr 2023 17:04:32
A reliable Liverpool journalist has described talks over investment as "relatively well advanced, " with a deal "possible" before the season ends.


1.) 06 Apr 2023 19:00:23
The investment being in FSG but not necessarily being of any direct benefit for Liverpool FC?

2.) 06 Apr 2023 19:03:33
An as Ed002 keeps telling us, that doesn't necessarily mean a thing for our spending power, it probably just dilutes FSGs percentage of the club ownership.

3.) 06 Apr 2023 19:30:54
If you want more info just punch what he typed into Google and you'll find the article on a fansite he lifted the quote from.

It says diddly squat though.

4.) 06 Apr 2023 20:04:37
Heard it is GIC from Singapore. More than 10%.

5.) 06 Apr 2023 21:29:51
If they secure investment into Lfc its to finance the summer transfers, they'd have to. Failure to back Jurgen now and they risk us returning to the days of pre Klopp!

6.) 06 Apr 2023 22:17:40
If it is true, then GIC of Singapore is a damn good investor to have on board. Pretty much the sovereign-fund for the country- and without the sociopolitical implications other funds from other countries have.

While not obligated to pump money into LFC, I think FSG sees it has no choice in the matter - if the investment happens. They're neither blind to see what's happening on the field, nor to see the risks of losing Klopp and having a hostile fanbase baying for their heads.

7.) 06 Apr 2023 23:14:22
It doesn't make much sense to me tbh. GIC is meant to grow our national reserves by making investments in foreign entities so I don't see them pumping money into the team if there are no returns on the investment. It's not like the middle-east where football clubs are treated as playthings of the rulers. They're all business and won't be here to make a loss. Singaporean here btw so I should know what I'm talking about.

But on any case, the investment would be to FSG rather than Liverpool FC, as Ed has told us multiple times so the team will highly likely not even see that money trickle down to them.

8.) 07 Apr 2023 02:09:22
@Jude, the press and Ed02 have been saying for months that FSG are looking for funds to extend their portfolio rather than necessarily provide Liverpool FC with funds. Of course they might (provide funds for transfer) with or without additional funding but there seems to be no guarantee that e tra investment in FSG = more money for Liverpool transfers.

9.) 07 Apr 2023 07:19:58
The sale of a minority interest in a business can sometimes involve funds being put into that business by the minority investor as loan notes that are prioritised above other debts / dividends etc. They can attract interest too through instruments such a PIK loans. So whilst the value paid for the equity would go to FSG directly and not Liverpool funds can still be made available within the club for transfers etc through this type of loan instrument.

10.) 07 Apr 2023 08:13:26
Be real careful of GIC, they have record of failed investment. ABC learning Australia, FTX, salt bae just to name a few. Its more like they just throw the money and don't care because they are monarchy disguise as democracy, they suck whatever they can from tax payer. Its more like a bad omen if we have GIC as share holder. Besides its morally wrong too to have such shareholder with no regards to human rights e. g dealth penalty in Singapore, no protest allowed, not even chewing gum. Joke!

11.) 07 Apr 2023 08:54:34
Thats why i said investment into"Lfc"West, not into FSG as a whole! but really it shouldn't matter, whether its the fault of the owners or Klopp and his team its obvious to anyone that real investment is needed. Now if the owners aren't prepared to do that that's fair enough they own the club they can do what they want, but they may get used to watching us on Thursday nights from now on. Give jurgen the funds because as good as he is there will be no miracles from now on without the owners realising they own one of the biggest sporting institutions on the planet and they have to act like they do! there's just too many clubs that will be spending obscene amounts now.

12.) 07 Apr 2023 12:54:00
Without a full sale. We slip further behind.

13.) 07 Apr 2023 15:13:09
Full sale of what? Players? The whole club?
It's not about how much you spend, it's about how you spend it.

14.) 08 Apr 2023 03:44:33
@Jde, I think the point is that people can’t directly invest in Liverpool FC. Liverpool FC is an asset wholly owned by FSG, as are, as an example, the Red Sox. Anybody investing would need to invest in FSG. As I say I thought FSG’s focus is on making a new acquisition for their portfolio, although, as I say, that might not preclude financing Liverpool FC in the coming transfer window.

15.) 08 Apr 2023 09:01:55
Tbh the last thing you would want is an announcement of big money coming in before the summer.

16.) 08 Apr 2023 09:55:37
Not at all @Spaceman, it’d be great fun if FSG announced an investment of £1 bn. It would send the board into overdrive.

17.) 08 Apr 2023 18:22:04
James Pearce and reliable are like chalk and cheese.



24 Mar 2023 07:54:47
Ed's what's the latest on Gabri Veiga?


{Ed002's Note - He will leave Celta Vigo in the summer.}

1.) 24 Mar 2023 10:29:07
Any idea which direction he will travel Eds? Are LFC interested at 40m?

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has no declared interest in him but many clubs have sent scouts, including I expect Liverpool.}



12 Feb 2023 12:22:00
Rangnick incoming as SD shortly it seems.


1.) 12 Feb 2023 14:09:05
I'm not against it, but the concern is him and Klopp are just going to be nodding in agreement at everything and nobody is bringing fresh ideas to the table. Hope that doesn't lead to us signing Julian Brandt's instead of Mo Salah's.

2.) 12 Feb 2023 14:18:17
I find this hard to believe considering he has previous UTD ties.

I thought we were getting the lad from Monaco?

3.) 12 Feb 2023 15:33:34
Thom43, RR is far from a yes man. Hence why he didn't get on at United . He put noses out of joint by telling the club exactly what was wrong and how it needed to be fixed . I think he is exactly what Liverpool need right now.

4.) 12 Feb 2023 15:50:12
Klopp to go end of season and Rannick to take over?

5.) 12 Feb 2023 16:54:09
He put noses out? He didn't get results and Ten Hag is getting them with largely the same players. I don't want RR anywhere near LFC.

6.) 12 Feb 2023 17:14:58
Perhaps Ralf in Mike Gordon’s old role with a younger sporting director like Freund coming in.

7.) 13 Feb 2023 10:50:39
Ragnick being a bad manager doesn't make him a bad sporting director, it's a completely different job, and one that he has been excellent at previously. United have a clueless board and it was a ridiculous appointment, that's not his fault.

8.) 13 Feb 2023 12:30:10
Can Rangnik play in midfield?

9.) 13 Feb 2023 12:40:38
I wouldn’t want RR.

@Thom, You say they are totally different jobs: director of football and manager.

But RR is the MANAGER of the Austrian national team. and before that he was the MANAGER of Man United.

He seems to fancy himself as a manager rather than a DOF these days.

I wouldn’t want him as either.

I think there must be better DOF candidates out there for us who are focussed on that role rather than jumping between DOF and manager roles (where he hasn’t been successful either)

10.) 14 Feb 2023 22:25:16
Didn’t RR want suggest Utd sign Vlahovic, Nkuku, Gvardiol, Alvarez, Luis Diaz and Haaland over a year ago? Clearly he has an eye for talent.

11.) 14 Feb 2023 23:56:52
@Fuser, it would have been far more impressive if he’d demonstrated the talent to persuade the United board to act on his advice.

12.) 15 Feb 2023 09:28:26
Wdw he was only an interim manager, the board wasn’t likely to buy players for a manager who the next manager might not want ??‍♂️.



18 Jan 2023 23:39:10
Caicedo rumours ramping up. Sky sports all over it now. 3 clubs in the running, allegedly.


1.) 19 Jan 2023 00:05:33
Can’t see us being one of them as there’s multiple media reports that we’ve got no money the rest of the window. Good luck with that £200m in the summer lmfao.

2.) 19 Jan 2023 00:14:46
If its to do with liverpool its hot as an ice cube, Chelsea are nailed on .

3.) 19 Jan 2023 00:21:42
Probably going to Chelsea.

4.) 19 Jan 2023 06:02:13
VV mate having cash isn't the problem, we can always get em on instalments just like Gapko.

5.) 19 Jan 2023 07:42:58
Aren’t we third on the revenue list ahead of Utd for last season.

6.) 19 Jan 2023 08:07:22
No 2nd WarMachine, but we can only spend £20 million because of our owners, but we were the front runners for Mbappe apparently ha.

7.) 19 Jan 2023 08:42:00
As somebody who does understand the financial side can you explain to me “why we can only spend £20: million because of our owners”, please? I genuinely don’t understand.

8.) 19 Jan 2023 08:47:31
Chelsea bound!

9.) 19 Jan 2023 08:57:20
WDW - you need to ask someone to teach you to spot the difference between banter and fact. In basic terms you would need to speak to someone from the club to get facts and in here you will mainly only get Banter from posters and some fantastic guidance and banter from the Ed’s.

10.) 19 Jan 2023 09:05:07
At the same time WarMachine, maybe someone shuld explain to you the difference between revenue and profit.

11.) 19 Jan 2023 09:11:31
I’m an accountant rubber. But crack on and explain please.

12.) 19 Jan 2023 09:24:59
kopforever we don’t have the money to make the first j instalment and unless they’re taking an IOU he’ll be going to Chelsea approximately 10 minutes after Todd B has had his first line of the day.

13.) 19 Jan 2023 09:28:07
Me too WarMachine. However you're the one getting excited by a revenue figure when most people in the Finance world know that it tells us nothing without being balanced by the operating spend figure which wipes out the revenue.

14.) 19 Jan 2023 09:29:13
“We don’t see value in the market” FC.

15.) 19 Jan 2023 09:53:07
Wasn’t getting excited Johnny as I agree with you that it’s only one figure. It’s a fantastic figure however and whoever is responsible for increasing revenue should be applauded including Klopp for getting us to all those finals.

16.) 19 Jan 2023 10:33:11
Might give WarMachine a swerve if looking for advice on upcoming self assessment taxation deadline.

17.) 19 Jan 2023 11:13:06
Keep climbing that revenue ladder though lads, and i know its not as simple as we have loadsa money now but at the same time i get the feeling that we could be TOP of the money league by a hundred million and still people would be saying"theres a difference between revenue and profit though". i don't make a habit of slating the owners over transfers but at the same time more and more money can't keep coming into the club every year without loosening the purse strings. i suppose it just baffles me how other clubs are able to manage it.

18.) 19 Jan 2023 11:16:29
Accountant rubber? Sounds like a tax free condom.

19.) 19 Jan 2023 11:23:18
Can i also add that whilst applauding Klopp for getting us to all those finals, keep in mind that our annual wage bill was £325m in 2020 and £314m in 2021. So Klopp and especially Edwards need to accept their share of the blame with regards to why we can't spend much. Over half our revenue is cleaned out on wages. That is from the official financial report and encompasses all members of staff; approximately 960 total and including around 220 playing/ coaching staff (which will no doubt be the main bulk of the cost) .

{Ed001's Note - exactly what I kept saying when everyone was claiming Edwards was the greatest ever. He made a mess of the finances by handing out big contracts like they were penny sweets at Halloween. We are hamstrung by the wage bill he is responsible for.}

20.) 19 Jan 2023 11:46:43
It's obscene Ed001. Everyone wants to blame FSG but the financial reports are free to download from the official club site and tell you exactly where all the money goes. I'm eagerly awaiting the release of 2022's numbers in April/ May. I wouldn't mind betting it will be close to 2020's £325m considering the domestic cup wins, Champions League final, 2nd place, 63 games played etc. and all the bonus clauses that will inevitably have triggered. Edwards has done serious short term damage as we've had to let players run down their contracts due to nobody else wanting to touch them on what we paid/ pay them. Sturridge, Lallana, Gini, Origi, Ox, Keita, Firmino etc. Which has the knock on affect of making it hard to regenerate the squad as we're getting nothing for the players leaving.

{Ed001's Note - exactly what I have been saying all along MK. He was a huge mistake and I hope we actually get someone in that role that has a handle on the club's financial position and thinks about the long-term rather than just gives them what they want.}

21.) 19 Jan 2023 12:08:41
Ed's why can't we just go the same route as United and put a club limit on wages, 200k a week is more than enough for anyone, would prove some of the guys who sign actually want to be there instead of just picking up a wage and WDW i was being semi sarcastic, our net spend is close to £20M a season, it's pathetic given our standing and performance on the pitch, FSGout.

{Ed002's Note - Net spend is of no relevance.}

22.) 19 Jan 2023 12:10:24
Is it also possible that Klopp's influence grew and muddied the FSG/ Edwards strategy of buy smart and supplement income by flipping enough players to boost the coffers, to Klopp's family first, circle of trust/ loyalty model?

That may also explain why we have had two sporting directors quit in the space of 12 months.

23.) 19 Jan 2023 11:56:42
As far as I am concerned, if that is what they will accept, I would pay it. Yes it sounds like a lot of money but he's 21, a standout in a brilliant Brighton team, has adapted to the league and it would immediately increase our chances of getting top 4 and giving the Madrid ties a real go.

In terms of overpaying - well that is the penalty of the dither, dysfunction and delusion of the last window.

24.) 19 Jan 2023 12:45:25
Seen a report the other day saying he wants liverpool move. Would love it if we pulled this off. Then Bellingham in summer But agree Chelsea bound I think.

25.) 19 Jan 2023 12:47:27
Imo our commercial department having been very slow to catch on to our success. We all know in years gone by we were poor at maximising revenue. But I still think we are still £40m short on the commercial side. The new Standard Charter deal will help but it’s 3 years late.

26.) 19 Jan 2023 13:39:24
VV mate we can always do Instalments deals or else we wouldn't have been working extremely hard finding a midfield behind the scenes.

There's a reason we have been in contact with agent's and trying hard to find a solution if possible before the window shuts.

27.) 19 Jan 2023 14:47:18
I was under the impression that our wage bill was similar to other big clubs? Maybe I'm wrong, but don't you have to pay to keep/ attract the best players? Honestly, the same fans who were swearing fire and blood if we didn't give Mo his contract are the sane ones saying we now pay too much in wages. I just don't see how so many people seem to think they have all the answers.

Elsewhere I think Bajetic could be as good as Caicedo and I'd love to give him a chance to develop.

28.) 19 Jan 2023 15:00:06
So our wage bill in 2020 was 325m and it dropped to 314m a year later and that's why we've less money to spend . We're the only so called big club without a pot to p. in. The only so called big club who's brilliant manager has to tell the world we've no money when asked in press conferences when asked how come we're not strengthening the areas causing us the most trouble. I don't want new signings every window or 100ms spent, but what we're looking at now is absolutely pathetic .

29.) 19 Jan 2023 15:23:00
The club isn't being truthful when they make dumb declarations about not having any money. What does that even mean? Not a single person in here outside of a couple of the Eds has a good understanding of what that means. There is plenty of money. The real answer is that if they choose not to spend it's because the current opportunities in the market are not prudent to what they're trying to do long-term.

I'm sure the club weighed several factors:

1) How to lost revs next season compare to the premium we'd have to pay on Caicedo? We value Caicedo at X, Brighton wants 70M.

2) Will Caicedo be able to make a quick impact and being the piece that helps us push for top 4, or will he need time to integrate?

3) If Caicedo needs time, can our money be spent better during the summer or are there better targets for us in this moment?

Considering this, it doesn't seem like they believe Caicedo is the right player for right now.

30.) 19 Jan 2023 16:26:43
Looks like we'd sooner have nunes for more £ in the summer even though we could of had him last summer. And pairing him with Bellingham. Why can't we have the 50mill from next summers £250 million they keep spouting about. Probably because it doesn't I know. Atleast bid for caicedo.

31.) 19 Jan 2023 17:32:28
For every club in this top 20 half of the revenue is cleaned out by wages. This isn't just a Liverpool thing. Our wages to revenue ratio is 62% which is pretty much middle of the pack. 14 other clubs have a higher ratio.

32.) 19 Jan 2023 17:43:55
Disappointed if our top two targets are nunes and Bellingham for the summer - both good players but rather one of them and the combative midfielder we actually need.

33.) 19 Jan 2023 21:03:10
According to Deloitte reports: The average wage as % of revenue is c.72%. And Liverpool's wage percentage is still much better than most.

34.) 19 Jan 2023 21:43:42
@WarMachine, I must need to change my medication, I’ve genuinely got no idea what your reply to me meant either. It might be possible that I’ve had some sort of breakdown I guess ….

35.) 20 Jan 2023 20:04:41
I respectfully disagree on the contracts. Liverpool are a big club, but there are bigger clubs out there in more appealing destinations able to offer extremely lucrative pay. Investing in the wages, while trying to maximizing our returns in the transfer market helped us maintain a lot of squad stability which is key to Klopp's system as it takes guys a while to be integrated. Very few players in the Klopp era have gotten their heads turned by other clubs, and up until this year we were able to maintain a high flying rhythm that many opponents couldn't keep up with.

36.) 22 Jan 2023 10:04:39
"Runours ramping up" means its 100% not true. We need to look at rumours that are not ramping up, look at Gapko purchase, was there even a hint of rumour. Please search for rumour that has not yet become q rumour, thanks. Its just simple logic.




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06 Apr 2023 16:54:05
It's approaching a year since Diogo Jota scored for Liverpool.

Career trajectory of Ox.


1.) 06 Apr 2023 17:09:05
I hope Mendes can conjour up a 50m sale for us. Jota has peaked.

2.) 06 Apr 2023 17:11:58
Ridiculous post.

3.) 06 Apr 2023 17:56:01
Jota’s had a nightmare of a season with regards to goals and injuries.

He’s only managed to play 872 minutes of football which is roughly 9 and a half games of actual football.

Everyone in the squad (especially fan favourites) seem to be getting a pass this season due to the mental and physical exertions of last season. Jota doesn’t seem to be given the same leeway.

I think Jota will get plenty of goals and assists next season and will likely be back up to whoever Klopps main starting 3 whoever they are.

4.) 06 Apr 2023 17:59:52
OP, and how many games has he played since the last time he scored for us? Also, he's been injured for the majority part of a year mainly cos he played incessantly for Portugal in the wretched Nations League last summer, a comp. literally NOBODY cares about and prolly never watches. Same as Ox? Take a day off, bro.

5.) 06 Apr 2023 18:33:19
I'm no fan of Spaceman but why is it ridiculous to suggest a striker who hasn't scored for a year should be sold? I'd happily sell if we could get £40 million for him.

6.) 06 Apr 2023 19:14:34
I thought it was 871 minutes and 43.6 seconds, if I’m being honest.

Either way it still equates to just over 9 full matches without a goal. For the statistically minded you would probably expect a goal or two over that period of time on the pitch from a striker. Perhaps somebody with the inclination could do a little statistical analysis (perhaps a nice little graph and a couple of tables too) of the goals per game ratio for this season?

7.) 06 Apr 2023 19:15:33
16 starts 15 sub appearances totaling about 1500 minutes since he last scored.

By comparison, Salah is getting criticism from some quarters despite scoring 23 times this season. Which is frankly mind-boggling.

And it's not like Jota is anything special in his general play to make up for it, either.

8.) 06 Apr 2023 19:48:23
Top class banter that WDW. You must be the life and soul of a party ?.

9.) 06 Apr 2023 19:52:01
Jota is still pretty decent back up for the 3/ 4 first choice forwards. I’m not suggesting he starts ahead of the others necessarily, but it does baffle me that people want to get rid of about the only area we have any depth in. If he’s not going to complain, he can fill any of the slots in the front 3 adequately enough.

Also, he won the penalty that Mo missed, and set up Mo at the Etihad, so he is still contributing and he’s back from a long injury. I.

10.) 06 Apr 2023 20:29:02
I’ll keep it brief. We are short on money. Need a squad rebuild. Have few players with resale value. Jota has had one good season. Poor at linking up play. Not versatile up front. No pace to play wide. Apparently teams or a team has showed interested in him and apparently we could fetch around £40 million. No brainer for me. Sell, and sell as soon as possible!

11.) 06 Apr 2023 20:35:02
I wouldn't actively try to sell him, but if we were offered £40 million plus I would definitely sell. To be honest I'd be willing to sell the majority of this squad given a decent offer, there is only about 7-8 players I would consider untouchable.

12.) 06 Apr 2023 20:56:36
Jota consistently gives the ball away he hasn't scored in something like 31 games anyone defending that needs to look in the mirror lol.

13.) 06 Apr 2023 21:24:16
Thunderbird out of interest who’s the 7-8.

14.) 06 Apr 2023 21:27:03
Have we paid Wolves yet ?.

15.) 06 Apr 2023 22:15:32
Hello The Irish Rover,

Have we paid anyone yet?

16.) 06 Apr 2023 22:39:43
JK, my 7-8 are:
Trent - Dreadful this season but young enough to bounce back, look at Rashford
Every other player for me I would sell given the right offer. I wouldn't look to sell Salah for example but if someone offered us £70 million I would take it.

17.) 06 Apr 2023 22:39:59
Irish, if I remember correctly, we were to pay over 4 years. So, no I don't think we have finished the payments. But I'm sure the paperwork includes clauses where the liabilities for pending payments are taken on by the purchaser and deducted from the sale price.

18.) 06 Apr 2023 23:24:19
I would struggle to make a case for not selling any of our players for £40m… (except Alisson who has been by far our best player this season)

19.) 06 Apr 2023 23:47:19
And I forgot to mention. Jota signed a new 5 year deal last August (2022). It expires in 2027. So basically LFC will not sell cheap with such a contract in force; the 40 million is a pipe dream. And he's on 180K per week. Nobody is paying that for a player who doesn't score since a year, whatever the circumstances may be.

20.) 07 Apr 2023 02:25:21
What was it Dennis Healy said about Geoffrey Howe? Something l@along the lines of “It’s like being savaged by a dead sheep”. Imagine a stato having a go about me being the life and soul of the party ??.

21.) 07 Apr 2023 06:43:40
Diaz as well Thunderbird? I’m guessing you’ve just forgot about him? Has to be a keeper surely?

22.) 07 Apr 2023 07:12:42
Thunderbird cheers for the reply. You can’t really argue with that.

I suppose Salah is probably the surprise one but it has been mentioned that his agent has been putting the feelers out so maybe he is open to a move also. And as Irish mentioned Diaz would def be another for me to keep as well.

I would put a stat up about said players but I don’t to trigger the West Derby Sam Smith as he might be having another bad day down under.

23.) 07 Apr 2023 08:17:22
Irish Rover - well that’s our back up goalie sorted then ?.

24.) 07 Apr 2023 08:35:42
Stat for the day. Margaret Thatcher was the longest serving British Prime Minister of the 29th century. I’ll bet you put up a meaningless stat sometime in the near future zzz.

25.) 07 Apr 2023 08:45:40
Jota on 180k? Surely not.

26.) 07 Apr 2023 09:06:38
I take back what I said. You would be terrible fun at parties ?. Match day going fans don’t know how lucky they are you don’t attend games.

27.) 07 Apr 2023 09:27:32
I really like Jota, we don't have a player who can drive into the box like him. maybe Diaz I guess.

But I think we should be thinking bigger and move him on if we get the chance. I can't see how his previous injury record is going to be any different in the next season and I don't think we should tempt fate with it. I feel like he has more chance of being the next Ox / Keita, which would be a shame for him and us.

28.) 07 Apr 2023 10:28:18
Marty, he signed a contract of 5 years for 46.8 million. Do the math and you get 180k per week. That's what I read.

29.) 07 Apr 2023 11:14:24
What are “match day going fans”? Are they the same as fans who go to the match? Or are they the ‘super fans’ that you seem to fret about.

30.) 07 Apr 2023 14:04:30
Wow, now we're classifying fans separately. Separate "voting" (or opinion) rights come along with that too?

31.) 07 Apr 2023 17:32:49
Similar goal to game ratio as dirk kuyt! Who would we rather have in our team right now. jota, kuyt or neither!
Season has really fizzled out now. Sense if resignation about it. Compared to last season!
Let's hope that klopp pulls off some transfer mega strokes and signs a few top quality players whilst clearing out our squad . Big summer awaits.



08 Feb 2023 12:11:52
"No doubt there's a lot of righteousness in the world to come and tell you what you've done wrong, and then if everybody looks at themselves, I think the football industry in general is not one that can afford to point the finger too many times. " - Kompany

Or to rephase that 'because corruption exists we shouldn't do anything about it, when I benefit'. You have to start somewhere, and it is the worst cases that shine the first rays of light for the clean up to start. People like Kompany, may not be inherently bad, but it is attitudes like this that prevent us from creating better laws, governance and ultimately societies.


1.) 08 Feb 2023 16:41:12
While I agree with what you’re saying, I think his point is no club is without sin. We as Liverpool fans will look at City and want them to get a punishment that suits all their breaches and the advantages they’ve given themselves. That being said how many times have we been accused of tapping up players, paying clubs off to avoid issues, etc. Kompany is probably right, keep digging and you’ll find problems across the league I’m sure.

2.) 08 Feb 2023 17:13:37
By this logic criminals shouldn't be punished because everyone has done something wrong at some point in their lives.

3.) 08 Feb 2023 18:02:05
Sorry, I don’t buy the whole “everyone does it so why are they picking om me or them” schstick. That’s a bunch of hogwash for me. “If everyone keeps doing this when why tha football is your club the only one getting caught, Vincent”?

Those who say that are often either the cynical within society or the often accused who keep getting caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Notice that this is the first thing Kompany says rather than saying that we should allow the process to play out.

This reminds me of the New England Patriots fan base who kept responding to cheating allegations with the typical “Everyone does it so why target us” crap.

Memo to City fans, Kompany and Patriots fans: NO, everyone does NOT do what you are/ have been accused of doing. You’re the only ones who do it cos you keep getting CAUGHT. I would ask you to stop cheating and keep your noses clean BUT I know you WON’T so for once, take responsibility and stop blaming everyone else for your cheating, allegedly.

4.) 08 Feb 2023 20:38:54
He's defending man city cos when guardiola gets the sack for winning nothing this season Kompany wants his job!

5.) 08 Feb 2023 20:50:37
OliRed, every time it gets brought up that LFC or Klopp especially have been illegally tapping up players. Fans come out in droves to say ‘everyone does it’ or ‘it’s no big deal’.

6.) 09 Feb 2023 00:10:18
Why is Kompany defending Man City anyway? They haven’t done anything wrong according to the club.

7.) 09 Feb 2023 07:26:44
Fuser - and we are right to receive whatever punishment we receive and so are Chelsea and ManCity and Juve and anyone else who does things illegally.

Right now let’s not deflect attention away from the fact that ManCity have over 100 breaches they are charged with which is a lot worse than anyone else.

8.) 09 Feb 2023 12:43:01
Fuser, NOT from me will you hear that mess. I have repeatedly slammed Klopp for his tapping up antics and those who use the same wretched excuse to defend him are bang out of order.

As I have said, if whataboutism is the only thing the City fans (and Kompany) have going for them then, it should tell you that they are playing the victim cos they NEVER take responsibility for a darn thing an d everyone is suddenly out to get them whereas they keep getting caught with their hands dirty. They first deny it and then afterwards they cry, "So what? What's the big deal, anyway? Everyone does it". Sure, Of course they do YET they're the ones that keep getting caught all the time. Funny that.

9.) 10 Feb 2023 08:55:25
Is this like a murderer telling the jay walker they shouldn't point fingers.?
ridiculous assertion by Mr. Kompany.



08 Feb 2023 12:11:52
"No doubt there's a lot of righteousness in the world to come and tell you what you've done wrong, and then if everybody looks at themselves, I think the football industry in general is not one that can afford to point the finger too many times. " - Kompany

Or to rephase that 'because corruption exists we shouldn't do anything about it, when I benefit'. You have to start somewhere, and it is the worst cases that shine the first rays of light for the clean up to start. People like Kompany, may not be inherently bad, but it is attitudes like this that prevent us from creating better laws, governance and ultimately societies.


1.) 08 Feb 2023 12:52:39
True, he is right though - not just in football but in the wider world. If you shut every corrupt organisation down there would be none left, and no government to make the decision either.

{Ed001's Note - how is he right? No one is saying shut them down. What they are talking about is cleaning them up. Kompany is just spouting self-interested bollox after knowingly taking hidden under-the-table payments for years. It is just him trying to justify what he has done and pretend it is ok.}

2.) 08 Feb 2023 13:26:14
Ah the old "deflect the blame" play. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

Doesn't really work in life as there are no absolutes.

Nice try Vinny.

3.) 08 Feb 2023 14:38:17
Agreed, sounds like Kompany is trying to justify City’s action before they are even found guilty.

Does City have a slush fund like Liverpool do? Might need to start sticking a few quid in ?.

4.) 08 Feb 2023 16:05:07
Where do you want your statuite Vincent Kompany.

5.) 08 Feb 2023 18:06:05
Spot on, Ed. Funny it is the cheats who keep saying “Everyone does it” whenever the get caught. Sorry, everyone does NOT do it cos they don’t want the smoke nor the consequences if found guilty. That’s it. If you can’t keep your hands and noses clean then that’s not my problem. Typical victim mentality. “Oh, it’s all a witch hunt” every time you get caught sounding like Donald Trump out here.



31 Dec 2022 08:20:29
I can't see how this Liverpool team beat Brentford away. Always conceding the first goal and missing chances. Brentford are physical and will smash us if we play like we did last night.


1.) 31 Dec 2022 08:50:03
I think the biggest issue with the team is that with our fb pushing high up we’re are very aggressive in our directness to get to the opposition goal. This is great when we have possession or win the ball but leaves us vulnerable to the counter attack. This is being magnified by having a midfield that is not dynamic in terms of running power. As everyone knows, we really need a press resistant, midfield runner who can plug the gaps and carry the ball forward. I love Thiago and rate Elliot highly, but with the way we play I don’t think we’re best suited to playing two of them in a 3 man midfield.
Brentford are a good physical side yes, but to suggest they’re favourites, come on!

2.) 31 Dec 2022 08:51:25
I think bajectic and konate should start against brentford. konate needs to be playing every league game from now on, need him in there. Bajectic would give us some energy in midfield and he's not afraid to get stuck in which we will need. Hopefully gakpo gets registered in time and Bobby should be back which will give us couple of good attacking options off bench.
U would hope we couldn't play as poorly 2 x games in a row, villa we where poor defensively as well but good (in main) going forward but last night was awful virtually everywhere and everybody apart from trent+ thiago.

3.) 31 Dec 2022 08:51:26
I have the answer, Spaceman. let's NOT play like we did last night. Feel free to pass my tactics on to the big German guy.

4.) 31 Dec 2022 08:56:16
Hopefully Konate back that will help. I would play Robbo in midfield he won’t shy away. Fabs will be fresh and on the right 2 players can play a half each. With any luck we could have a new left winger in the team as well.

5.) 31 Dec 2022 09:24:05
We were absolutely diabolical last night. Nunez looked dangerous but our midfield is so bad. I'm not going to pick out specific players but collectively poor all round. It's a crime that we haven't added a midfielder.

6.) 31 Dec 2022 09:45:10
Thaigo gets mentioned a lot (not just this post) as a problem in a 3 man midfield. But for me last night and many other games he’s actually been the solution in there when it comes to the defensive side.

It’s probably just a coincidence he is top of the most tackles and interceptions per game charts as well.

7.) 31 Dec 2022 10:09:04
Top 4 will be a big ask with the injuries we have. Unfortunately we don’t have any options in midfield to change it up. Midfield is our Achilles heel. The lack of pace, power and running is a big issue.

8.) 31 Dec 2022 10:22:30
Jk, I have said he was much improved last night. The problem was the other 2 were hopeless and that’s our season right there. We have to find at least 2 midfielders who can actually perform together. Hopefully Fabs is back and Thiago continues his improvement.

9.) 31 Dec 2022 10:26:13
I don't think Elliott will ever be good enough for us.

10.) 31 Dec 2022 10:32:48
Far too early to say that Rigsby, but I don’t like him right midfield in a 3.

11.) 31 Dec 2022 10:33:44
Hang on JK23, that’s not fitting with today’s narrative about the midfield being useless - perhaps you could hold off with the stats until we have won 3 or 4 PL games on the bounce …. oh hold on, silly me.

12.) 31 Dec 2022 10:55:20
Mark wasn’t a dig aimed at anyone mate. I’m very much looking at the games with my eyes wide open.

Yes the midfield have struggled this season but so have everyone else.

We just don’t seem to look the well oiled machine that we have the last few seasons.

I’m hoping Gakpo coming in on the left gives us more balance and Bobby back to play through the middle could also help.

Salah’s biggest threat is coming inside on his left but I can’t really remember the last time he came inside and beat a man.

With Elliot on the right of mid he’s also always looking to cut inside and Thiago the sale on the left. So our midfield options are actually narrowing the pitch.

The only 2 players we currently have that look to go on the outside are Nunez and sometimes Robertson. Perhaps Gakpo gives us more of that option with his pace and power.

13.) 31 Dec 2022 11:40:29
Klopp said it was a mistake not signing another midfielder in the summer and it looks like we’re making that same mistake again this coming window, which is madness. We got very lucky last night end of story, a better side with a competent manager would have beaten us comfortably. Our midfield lacked any pace or physicality and even Charlie Adams could happily stroll through our midfield without worrying too much. Henderson isn’t a defensive midfielder, and a midfield three containing both Elliott and Thiago lacks the pace, physicality or strength to be effective, which was painfully clear. Whatever the answer is, I don’t believe you’ll find it in our squad.

{Ed002's Note - The window has not even opened yet.}

14.) 31 Dec 2022 12:11:41
But Ed02, regardless if the window is open or not, we love to throw our toys out the pram. You would know by now, we have no patience whatsoever.

15.) 31 Dec 2022 14:02:59
According to those with much more of an understanding of tactics and what's been going wrong, Moises is going to be a brilliant signing for us, who will bring the energy and press resistance that has been a potent part of our DNA.

In the meantime, we need to toughen up and keep finding ways to win when playing badly.

16.) 31 Dec 2022 14:17:46
The window isn’t even open and we’re not signing anyone ???.

17.) 31 Dec 2022 14:29:10
Ed002, I’m not holding my breath on this. We’ve been here before unfortunately. Klopp has said that without raising funds there’s no more business being done and a well respected journalist who is rarely ever wrong, Paul Joyce, has said no more business. This is going to be a very difficult second half of the season.

Not sure it’s an over reaction though in light of previous history, sgynwa, in 20/ 21 it was obvious we needed to bring in a centre back. We did nothing and then our season fell apart. We only acted very late on in the January window and brought in players nowhere near good enough. Should probably have moved on one of Keita or Ox as well that season and brought in someone more robust.

This summer, it was plain to see that we needed a reboot of our midfield, too many over 30, too many injury prone and not enough quality overall. When the penny finally dropped we acted desperately and brought in another entirely inappropriate player in Arthur, who is too injury prone, too slow and too weak for the premier league, who lo and behold picked up an injury almost immediately. Again, both of Keita and Ox should have been ushered out of the club at the earliest opportunity but yet they remain.

This window, it’s not even opened but we’ve been told that barring a miracle, there’s no more incomings. I don’t think it’s an over reaction to be concerned or unhappy with the way this is going, as I said, we’ve been here before.

18.) 31 Dec 2022 16:43:38
No point worrying about something we've absolutely no control over.

19.) 31 Dec 2022 16:45:39
Oh the doom and the gloom.
I've seen Everton fans with more positivity.
Maybe some incessant repetitive moaning will help usher the new year in?



05 Nov 2022 09:33:19
Rodrigo Bentancur is the type of bargain we need to find to boost our MF options. What a player he is turning out to be.


1.) 05 Nov 2022 10:18:09
Weird, I played against him in football manager last night and I wondered how he was doing in real life as I don't watch other teams. I know he was highly rated at juventus earlier in his career, but haven't seen much of him.

2.) 05 Nov 2022 10:41:15
OP, he plays in a park the bus system under Conte where he can’t get forward until Conte tells him to. We don’t play that way normally (until Ljinders’ galaxy brain showed up, at leat) so not sure how he’s going to thrive in a high press, high octane system if he’s never played it either at Juve or at Spurs. Just my take.

3.) 05 Nov 2022 10:52:35
U bet most of atleti players who are hyped as elite level are profiting from the insane defensive way they play.

4.) 05 Nov 2022 11:03:46
I remember being impressed by him when he broke into the Uruguay team. By the way, how impressive is it that a country as small as Uruguay (3x smaller than London) can produce so many good footballers.

He's got a great passing range and tempo about him. He lacks speed so probably more suited to playing in a two with someone more physical and quick beside him.

5.) 05 Nov 2022 13:51:07
Decent. keita level of decent and we all know how highly he's rated! we should be looking at far better.

6.) 05 Nov 2022 14:31:38
Flypelicanfly lol 3 times smaller than London I just snorted my OJ over my carpet.
A quick Google search will show that Uruguay is 1.4 times smaller than the whole of the UK. So basically they're approximately 77.% of the UK. London is roughly 17 billion square feet and Uruguay is approximately 1.8 trillion square feet.
Not having a go just thought I'd point that out. Your point about producing talent is correct though.

7.) 05 Nov 2022 14:52:01
By population i think he means Walter.

8.) 05 Nov 2022 19:48:06
What the average Cockney is 3 times bigger than the average Uruguayan? They must be tiny!




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08 Apr 2023 12:45:15
@ the rumoured 60m, who is the better purchase, AMM or Caicedo, if they were to be playing alongside Jude.




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08 Apr 2023 09:01:55
Tbh the last thing you would want is an announcement of big money coming in before the summer.




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08 Apr 2023 08:56:50
Lunchalotti knows the coup. Jude is ours.




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05 Apr 2023 18:23:06
Caicedo at 70m doesn't look like an LFC purchase, i reckon they will look for better value elsewhere, although he does look like an ideal, prem ready player.

I wonder to what extent the clear out will happen, and how long it will take to settle a bunch of new players in. It may be another write off season next season.




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04 Apr 2023 09:27:50
MK-Agreed re Jota. Hopefully Mendes can help flog him to Newcastle for 60m.





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08 Apr 2023 09:15:38
taking it on face value, it seems he really still believes the squad and players are good enough quality to get back where we were.
I would like to think/ hope in the modern game this is backed up by analysis.
That there is no statistical reason Fabs looks like he runs in treacle. That TAA appears to put in zero effort at tracking. Or VDD is slower to react to anything.
It is actually hard for fans to make assessments as we see so little of players. But it is odd how polar Klopp’s views are based to pretty much everyone else.
What ever happens, this is the fascinating thing for me this season. I don’t subscribe to Klopp has favourites and is too stubborn etc.
you just don’t get to the elite level with those kind of childish attributes.
So he bases his choices on facts, his experience what he and his staff see. Which seems to be different to everyone else.




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08 Apr 2023 09:15:38
taking it on face value, it seems he really still believes the squad and players are good enough quality to get back where we were.
I would like to think/ hope in the modern game this is backed up by analysis.
That there is no statistical reason Fabs looks like he runs in treacle. That TAA appears to put in zero effort at tracking. Or VDD is slower to react to anything.
It is actually hard for fans to make assessments as we see so little of players. But it is odd how polar Klopp’s views are based to pretty much everyone else.
What ever happens, this is the fascinating thing for me this season. I don’t subscribe to Klopp has favourites and is too stubborn etc.
you just don’t get to the elite level with those kind of childish attributes.
So he bases his choices on facts, his experience what he and his staff see. Which seems to be different to everyone else.




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06 Apr 2023 17:09:05
I hope Mendes can conjour up a 50m sale for us. Jota has peaked.




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05 Apr 2023 22:23:28
If FSG shirk on spending this summer, they can expect to see the club's valuation fall, and maybe for Jurgen to resign before the end of his contract.
Then they might promote Pep-what a treat that would be.

Rabiot is a trouble maker. No thanks.
Nunes, after his average season? What a master stroke getting the agent to see how he beds in at a feeder side before wasting loads of cash on him.




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05 Apr 2023 22:17:34
Paul Stewart, Julian Dicks, Poulsen, Konchesky, Ruddock's days were all pretty bad.
The psycological aspects of last season's near miss is the main issue (imo) . How devastating to come so close to greatness, with so much hype, and yet to end up so far from greatness with two dodgy cup wins and a poor show in Paris.
Look how Egypts failures affected Mo, its the same thing with the reds (imo) .




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