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29 Dec 2021 10:12:48
Ed's any idea on what's happening re Mane and Bobby contracts? Do you see them leaving on a free in 18 months time?
There has been so little talk, which i suppose is down to their patchy form.
{Ed002's Note - I really don't know but there is plenty of time.}
1.) 29 Dec 2021 15:40:55
Personally, I'd move both of them on and sign two younger players. Time to start the rebuild slowly but surely.
2.) 29 Dec 2021 16:19:49
Agreed IB.
Would like to see Bowen added, adeyimi added and potentially a ready made player (only if both mane and Bobby were moved on) .
We definitely need another good forward option regardless if they both stay.
3.) 29 Dec 2021 17:05:35
I would move Bobby, Mane and Taki on. Sign Luis Diaz, Bowen and Adeyemi/ Neto to secure the forward line in the long term.
4.) 29 Dec 2021 17:51:04
Indian, we’re not going to get much for them with them both being 30 and only having 12 months left on their respective contracts. Whoever comes in will be a significant downgrade.
{Ed025's Note - i reckon you would get £20m for mane VVVV, and 28p for bobby.. :)
5.) 29 Dec 2021 21:46:24
Mane, Bobby, Taki and Div 'could' all need replacing. Looks like Diaz is the favoured option for the Mane role, who i see as the most likely to move on. Reckon he would rather be playing in his favoured right hand position, and is probably not going to get an offer than matches his expectations due to his form.
If we are going to keep up with City this season, i reckon we may need a player or two replaced with better options squad wise in Jan.
Lets see what FSG are made of- hopefully the toon will pay over the odd's for some of our unwanted players.
6.) 30 Dec 2021 08:57:21
I don't like the idea of replacing them just because of what they've done for the club but accept it's part of football.
I would just be careful not to tear the team apart too much as I think we want to keep a good mix of senior players. If Bobby were happy to stay in the squad then I think he could become a good 'special teams' type player for us, playing a few positions.
Will be sad in a few years when more of these guys who took us to silverware start getting replacement but guess it'll happen sooner or later!
7.) 30 Dec 2021 16:45:31
Does Firmino have much value? I don’t think we’d get more than 20m for him. I’d rather just keep him and let it run down we aren’t getting better for that price. Mane i’d say we could still get a good fee for. This summer will be the most important under Klopp. Could already be 2 years since the last title. Can’t have it becoming 3 then 4.
8.) 30 Dec 2021 22:37:21
This team relying on Bobby for the press nobody does it better the man is a machine. I’d keep him he has earned his right to see out his career with us if he wants. Saying get rid of players what if the replacements fail or take time? For me the ox, Gomez, Thiago, possibly Philips and origi then replace where klopp thinks we need to.
{Ed025's Note - have you watched bobby over the past 3 seasons john?, he has been a liability and has contributed very little mate, nice guy but a terrible player im afraid..
07 Sep 2021 06:48:02
Ed. s what of these links with Carlos Soler? Looks to be some player.
{Ed002's Note - Carlos Soler (CM) Financial issues at Valencia mean that they will listen to offers for players but want to hold on to Gaya whilst they have told interested sides that neither Carlos Soler or Maxi Gomez would be sold cheaply. I am not aware of any approach by Liverpool but he would be an excellent addition - but the time to show an anterest was when the transfer window was open.}
1.) 07 Sep 2021 15:58:54
Thanks 002. Perhaps they are waiting for his contract to run down , as many clubs seem to be doing with us? In hard times, any discount helps.
06 Aug 2021 07:55:41
Ed's do you see Taki being sold on at a tidy profit ASAP? Are the saint's no longer interested?
{Ed002's Note - Takumi Minamino (AM) Sevilla are keen to take Minamino to replace Vazquez but would want a loan to buy. Southanpton are keen to keep him but again but it would be a loan to buy they are looking for. Liverpool are looking for sales not loans but may well price him out of a sale leaving Klopp to work with him as an existing player to save money.}
1.) 06 Aug 2021 10:38:42
As a matter of interest, who sets the prices for our going players Ed002?
{Ed002's Note - I would think Michael Edwards, Dave Fallows and Barry Hunter.}
2.) 06 Aug 2021 10:53:32
Thanks ed002.
3.) 06 Aug 2021 10:53:58
Ed could you see Southampton making a money bid now that they have sold Ings. For what I think is a very good price with only have 1 year on his contract age and his injury record. Or do you think they have that planned for somebody else.
Cheers ed.
{Ed002's Note - No. They are adding a striker to replace Ings.}
4.) 06 Aug 2021 10:47:41
Thanks Ed, seems reasonable, not desperate, firm boundaries and with a manager like JK, anything is possible.
Reckon if we buy a forward, a year on loan in a slower, less physical league could see his value rocket. There is no doubting he is a skilful player .
17 Jun 2021 22:22:17
Any truth in the Romero rumours? Makes total sense to me that we would be buying 2 CB's because not only are 2 of ours injury prone, but with 3 all coming back from serious injuries, to rush any of them would be playing with fire on a number of levels. I like the idea of an aggressive CB being brought in like the Turk we bid 50m for from Juve or Romero.
Seems we are shopping at the top end of the market if these rumours are true.
We'd likely get 10m for Nat and 8 for Davies now also, which all helps, but the main point is, we simply can't rush any of the other 3 back.
1.) 17 Jun 2021 23:35:46
Who'd pay £8m for Davies? We only got 10 for Dejan.
2.) 17 Jun 2021 23:38:27
No, no truth whatsoever.
3.) 18 Jun 2021 06:41:34
I can’t imagine anyone would bid £50m for Demiral after his last outing for Turkey.
In any case, I can’t see why we’d go for Romero, we literally have 7 centre backs and there’s other more pressing matters to deal with now.
4.) 18 Jun 2021 09:34:27
What Victor said, loads already on the books.
Also, you don't buy players to cover the first 2 months of the season, Nat Phillips can do that just keep him this season as well.
5.) 18 Jun 2021 09:43:00
Precisely Sean. If we can’t get a pairing out of VVD, Matip, Gomez, Kounate, Phillips, Davies, Williams and even Kometio then questions need asking!
6.) 18 Jun 2021 09:49:28
On top of the injuries, VVD is approaching the age of 'last big contract', and who knows what he desires, especially after his injury.
7.) 18 Jun 2021 10:27:53
VVD has a good four or five years left at the top and there’s every reason to think he’s likely to fully recover from that injury. I think he’s likely to commit and the club realise he’s worth that last big contract.
8.) 18 Jun 2021 12:20:45
10 million wouldn’t buy Nat Phillips with one leg btw. A proven young English center back. Imagine we tried to buy a 24 year old pl proven cb who’s English from Burnley or Leicester or Brighton. Think of the fees they have plucked out of thin air for those kinds of player. He’s a £20m cb at the very least and I wouldn’t want to sell him for a penny less unless he gets a dream move offered to him and he asks to leave for it.
9.) 18 Jun 2021 15:15:05
Your username suits you anyway spaceman 😂.
10.) 18 Jun 2021 15:17:21
And £40M for Ben White is a current example of what Jezza is saying, young English centre backs are priced very high. Nat Phillips wouldn't cost anywhere near as much as Ben White but it is an example of how expensive English players can be.
11.) 18 Jun 2021 17:55:52
Ben White is a capped England international, with 160 appearances in English football, 39 come in the Prem and is first choice for his club at the age of 23.
Nat Philips is 5th choice centreback with 21 appearances in English football with only 1 of those coming outside this injury stricken season.
There’s a reason why there would be a descrepancy in their valuations.
12.) 18 Jun 2021 18:29:34
In fairness, Phillips is clearly a better defender than Ben Gibson and I reckon he’s better than Michael Keane and at least as good as James Tarkowski so he’s got to be worth more than £10m as Gibson went for £16m and Keane was around £20m. So £20m is fair value for an English centre half who is clearly premier league quality.
{Ed077's Note - How long does his contract run for? That can alter the fee as well.}
13.) 18 Jun 2021 18:46:29
Just throwing my tuppence worth into the conversation.
I really like Nate so here we go, none of those other players mentioned got thrown in at the deep end in a devastated defence slipping down the Prem table and ended up finishing 3rd in the Prem.
He's worth every penny of 20+mil to half of the teams in the EPL.
14.) 18 Jun 2021 19:34:03
Take £10m and run, no one has money this summer so no hope of £20m fees for him. And after this season where he gets a couple of 88th minute substitute appearances a cupla times during the season we'll be doing well to get £4-5m next year.
15.) 19 Jun 2021 07:43:29
Phillips, to my knowledge, has a year left on his contract. A player is only worth what a club is prepared to pay and sell for. I love Phillips attitude and desire, my only issue is he's got a taste for football and I fear he may want out. I wouldn't begrudge him a move and if I'm right about his contract 10m is fair. In his short time with us he's been a fabulous servant. I'll support whatever decision he makes.
16.) 18 Jun 2021 19:25:53
Good point ed077, I think he’s got two more years from what I’ve read.
16 Dec 2019 08:43:40
I've seen a few who claim to have heard from various people that Sander Berge will be signed in Jan. The story goes that Bobby and Fab needed alternates/ back up as they are so crucial to the system.
Minamino can play in 5 positions, including that of Bobby, and Sander Berge is a deep lying playmaker, who looks to be an absolute beast. Apparently he was blown away by the atmosphere at the home game and JK congratulated him at the end of the match.
personally I would be delighted with these two players in Jan.
1.) 16 Dec 2019 10:16:39
Any truth in this, eds? Not sure why Berge would want to move just to sit on our bench, to be quite honest.
{Ed002's Note - Klopp apparently remains keen on Sander Bertge (DM) but it is difficult to see how he would get regular game time with Fabinho in the side. Napoli and Fiorentina are both keen as well.}
2.) 16 Dec 2019 12:52:41
It would surely mean the end for Grujic if Berge was signed.
3.) 16 Dec 2019 18:18:41
And if Berge is better than Grujic, then what's the problem with signing Berge? Agreed Grujic may not have been handled ideally, but he has said he's very happy at Hertha Berlin. He's earning an honest wage. Let him continue.
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06 Jan 2022 16:19:34
-Harry kane just tested positive for being England Captain, and is therefore immune to red cards.
03 Sep 2021 19:06:39
First the Villa rumours, now no CL squad for Curtis Jones. Any ideas what's going on there Ed's?
{Ed001's Note - does he need to be named at his age?}
1.) 03 Sep 2021 19:20:23
U21 do not have to be named.
2.) 03 Sep 2021 19:34:05
Under 21 and atleast 2 years trained at the club, I think Elliot is in the squad because he doesn't hit the training criteria.
Players like Jones, Williams etc don't need to be included.
3.) 03 Sep 2021 19:43:16
Jones will get game time. Its only 3 games in. His time will come before too long.
4.) 03 Sep 2021 19:49:56
Hopefully Jones will get some fire in his belly and work hard to show that he is the gini replacement. He has got great pros to be training around and the best manager to help him develop so if he doesn't make it it'll be on his shoulders, personally I think he will develop in to a top player.
5.) 03 Sep 2021 20:18:16
If Jones didn't have some fire in his belly he wouldn't be where he is now.
6.) 03 Sep 2021 22:55:23
Storm in a tea cup, really regarding Jones. He’ll be fine.
09 Aug 2021 23:30:22
Why has the Bissouma talk gone cold? Ed's seemed certain that he was the number 1 choice for a period, has that now changed?
Who is the top MF target now, does anyone outside the club actually know?
{Ed002's Note - The price would make it difficult with Brighton not wanting to sell and the player wanting elsewhere.}
1.) 10 Aug 2021 03:50:09
Arsenal?
{Ed0666's Note - I think so yes
2.) 10 Aug 2021 09:02:23
He’s probably sick of battling relegation and fancies the fight for a top 12 finish.
29 Jul 2021 20:16:50
No Ben D even on the bench for this friendly. Surely he's being sold on Ed's?
He was clearly only bought either to turn a profit or to help with HG quotas.
{Ed002's Note - You may find checking squads is not the way to figure out comings and goings.}
1.) 29 Jul 2021 21:08:45
2+2=5.
2.) 29 Jul 2021 21:02:18
Ed002 did he not return home for personal reasons not sure if his comeback yet.
3.) 30 Jul 2021 10:38:07
He returned home for personal reasons.
24 Jul 2021 02:10:49
Ed's any knowledge on.................
{Ed002's Note - Why ask on the Liverpool page?}
1.) 24 Jul 2021 12:09:55
The Big Bang Theory?
2.) 24 Jul 2021 17:03:27
Who my wife is sleeping with?
{Ed0666's Note - everyone in you're family apart from you? 😍
21 Jan 2022 10:42:02
The Dortmund model + some big spends when necessary . Im happy with that model, it is worth more than being just another state owned FC. It also depends on having a generational talent like Klopp at the helm to some extent.
Hope FSG can prove me wrong there.
20 Jan 2022 15:40:22
Just can't see the club taking such risks considering the way they operate and that its the last 2.5 years of JK, and if there is any chance of him coming back after a year off, the team needs to be rocking its 2.0 version.
Smoke and mirrors IMO.
Diaz is another matter. Can see this one coming straight out the bag and catching everyone out.
19 Jan 2022 08:54:25
Burnley are going to need him for division 1, when 1/ 2 of their CB's leave.
With the toon buying Carlos, they are out, and no new word on West Ham .
Ed's say he's overpriced, but what else can be bought for 12/ 15m?
18 Jan 2022 17:56:25
Surely it must be about their wishes to make one last big move, which makes sense cause Mane prefers the right and Bobby needs a slower league.
17 Jan 2022 15:04:00
IF this has any substance, my money would be on it being Diaz.
There has been no talk of renewals for Bobby or Mane, who are both getting to the age of 'last big contract' .
Mane is best from the right, and seems to be slightly put out by being in Mo's shadow, and Bobby probably needs a slower league for this phase of his career.
I look forward to a front 3 of Diaz, Haaland and Mo, with Diogo slotting in where necessary .
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