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18 Sep 2020 20:40:14
Delighted with Thiago and the apparently imminent arrival of Jota, but where's the money coming from?

Are confident enough of offloading Grujic, Wilson, Karius, maybe Origi or Wijnaldum that we're pressing ahead knowing we'll ultimately break even (ish) . Or are we borrowing?

Or is this a bad question that'll give an Ed a headache?


1.) 18 Sep 2020 23:11:22
Why are you trying to kill the buzz mate? We’ve won everything in last couple of years playing great football. Why does money concern you? there are better people at the club than us to take care of that. Enjoy the ride or you will miss it.


2.) 18 Sep 2020 23:11:24
Trust Edwards and fsg. They know what they’re doing.


3.) 19 Sep 2020 01:24:32
It is called Creative Accountancy from Fenway.


4.) 19 Sep 2020 01:24:49
This has me worries that some "shock" deal will come out of this, and Mane's leaving.


5.) 19 Sep 2020 02:45:00
How can you be concerned with money?
Win the Champions league - spend nothing
Win the league - spend less than the competitors.
Liverpool have access to the cash to buy whoever they want without coming anywhere close to distress.
Also, who cares if they borrow? Every business borrows money to better itself. (LFC has always been a business btw)

{Ed0666's Note - I’m not sure we have the money to buy whoever without stress at all Mr Risdale.


6.) 19 Sep 2020 02:57:01
People need to be clearer on terms of how transfers are agreed before questioning financial sense. Thiago will only cost us 5mil this year and 5mil each of following 3 summer. Jota is not signing on the condition we pay a big lump now. he's going to be on a 5 year contract and because Liverpool are strong now clubs will be easier to agree to future bonuses or add ons. We see our players winning individual awards, top of goal scoring lists, club titles looking more common so those add on payments are easier to negotiate. Apparently we only more than 20 mil for thiago if he wins either league, CL or ballon d'or in his contract length so jota likely to have clauses as no chance we pay any big money this year. We will sell players which is obvious but it was silly to think we had to wait to get a certain amount which was then allowing us to spend instantly. For example it was possible that coutinho winning the European cup at any stage during his Barcelona contract length meant we would receive a lump of payment that was not guaranteed in the figure that was publically named as total cost. The likes of Danny ings having such a strong season and reaching accolades etc may be reasons behind us getting earlier than expected income. Jota will likely be balanced in our books with the likes of Wilson, shaqiri, origi or Brewster now seemingly on the market. With 2 or even 3 not being needed they will easily pay the jota cost and more. Hoever brings in 10mil as does lovren so 20 mil at least income for rarely needed defenders.

It's not so simple as thinking we can't deal with transfers until the minute we officially anounce a sale and just get that price immediately in the bank to spend. We've obviously been planning on thiago and jota for a period of time with realistic prediction of what players will leave and earn us so financial impact will never be a wishful gamble. We moan and get frustration but we never have any clue to what is happening within so always presume that activity in the public eye represents the activity in real life. Why would we actually operate under that strategy openly? Every other club would get negotiation strenght if that was so obvious. Bayern would be able to be stubborn if knowing that thiago was wanted only after gini for example left and we were in need for his replacement. If we tried to immediately offer decent money for a CB after lovren left clubs could have held out for more. It's smart business that we have prioritised the areas we weren't yet desperate to fill. I expect we now focus on shipping out the weaker players who thiago and jota will take upgrade while adding another defender at some point when the price best suits us instead oflooking forced to replace our defensive outgoings.

{Ed0666's Note - you took my advice well done sir and Thankyou.


7.) 19 Sep 2020 05:57:40
OmG har has used paragraphs, well done sir 😄.


8.) 19 Sep 2020 07:53:57
That grammarly software is good, isn't it? 😂.


9.) 19 Sep 2020 07:54:47
Christos, obviously haven’t frequented the page much recently. Ed002 has repeatedly explained that we had pre spent much of our tournament winnings. I am a little concerned with where this money is coming from but I am also not Liverpool’s accountant, wish I was. Any recruiters lurking I’m fully qualified, come get me ;) . Either way, I trust the club to be doing the right thing and I imagine we are confident in sales of out of favour players rather than Mane.


10.) 20 Sep 2020 00:23:11
Cotsi, it isn't possible to pre-spend money. Businesses invest according to their anticipated cashflow. ED002 is wrong.
The windfalls from winning the CL and EPL might lower the debt % but the winnings certainly weren't "prespent" as that isn't how any of this works.


 

 

13 Dec 2019 18:10:37
It gets better: Milner signs a new deal.


1.) 13 Dec 2019 18:32:25
That's more good news.


2.) 13 Dec 2019 18:54:40
Perfect. Milner more than deserves it.


3.) 13 Dec 2019 19:00:31
What next today eh, even more good news coming out of the club!


4.) 13 Dec 2019 19:45:28
Kylian Mbappé to sign in January!


5.) 13 Dec 2019 19:52:42
Really pleased Milner has done that. He embodies everything Liverpool has become. One of our best.


6.) 14 Dec 2019 04:02:28
Does he get 10 ribenas as goal bonus now?


7.) 14 Dec 2019 10:02:47
Am I mistaken or he told he is not drinking anymore Ribena? 😅.


8.) 14 Dec 2019 10:36:46
This is excellent news very happy. Hopefully the younger talent can lean from a true professional of the game.


 

 

26 Nov 2014 18:43:22
Team: Mignolet, Manquillo, Skrtel, Toure, Johnson, Lucas, Gerrard, Allen, Henderson, Sterling, Lambert

Be interesting to see how Gerrard and Lucas are deployed. I'm assuming it'll be a diamond with Gerrard at the tip and Lucas at the base, but I'm worried that it'll be both of them as DMs which didn't exactly work against West Ham.


 

 

 

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27 Sep 2020 18:26:52
What time is at the Etihad lads?
5 past Ederson.

It's terrible, I know.


1.) 27 Sep 2020 18:30:58
Sounds good to me mate 😊.

Already seen the same old cracks from our rivals.

What a opportunity we have again this season! Huge game tomorrow!


2.) 27 Sep 2020 18:31:07
I am sure when Laporte comes back fully, all their problems will be over or at least. that is what the "experts" keep telling us.


3.) 27 Sep 2020 18:38:48
its Vardy Time .


4.) 27 Sep 2020 18:44:44
I've said it a couple of times, I think Rodri to replace Fernandinho long-term was a mis-step for them. He's too crab-like with his passing and doesn't protect the back line nearly as well. Playing both (like today) means sacrificing the double #10 system that worked for them so well when they won the league in 17/ 18 and 18/ 19.

I have to say their bench looked absolutely piss weak too. Have they players self-isolating or something?

{Ed002's Note - They are still looking to buy a long-term Fernandinho replacement.}


5.) 27 Sep 2020 18:48:35
I don’t think it matters who they have in defence, the way they set up leaves them wide open at the back, Pep is asking far too much out of his defenders.


6.) 27 Sep 2020 19:17:00
£300 million on defenders and a striker playing not so long ago in the bottom division scores a hat trick says it all really! Think Man City love the big figure buys to try and intimidate teams but everyone sees past it now they buy terrible defender regardless how much they throw at them.


7.) 27 Sep 2020 19:27:10
looks like City are bringing in the centre back from Benfica, but that's a bad beating there for City, if we can beat Arsenal tomorrow night, its looking so good .


8.) 27 Sep 2020 19:38:31
As it stands they’ve lost Silva and Sane, replaced them with Ferran and Ake. Much Weaker than last year, it will take this 60 million pound defender just to get them where they were the season just gone!


9.) 27 Sep 2020 20:05:38
Since 2016 pep has spent 477 million on Cities defense! Absolutely bonkers.


10.) 27 Sep 2020 20:22:30
yes Silva is a huge loss, and they have a couple of dodgy players, midfield and defence, I can see them getting beat a few times while their strikers our out injured .


11.) 27 Sep 2020 20:28:37
and he is not finished yet, another bad defeat and he will bring out the cheque book again .


12.) 27 Sep 2020 20:54:07
I think the wheels are falling off the ManC steam engine. Fernandinho ignored Pep's hand when coming off. And what happened to the famous 2 player, 3 player depth of the ManC machine? I wouldn't be surprised if Pep is gone before the transfer window even though the chances are small now, it's so late. On the sidelines he looks like he is lost and doesn't know what to do with the team. His body language is not of someone who is in control. Frustration on his face the entire time.


13.) 27 Sep 2020 21:31:42
Should’ve lost against wolves also. The just got lucky.


14.) 27 Sep 2020 22:19:37
Pep ahs been signing crap players since he joined them and the list is as long as my arm (and I have long arms) . The likes of Stones, Bravo, Mendy, Zinchenko, Danilo, Nolito etc. BUT he keeps getting away with it cos I guess, NOBODY dare criticize Pep cos he is the Golden Boy and must not be criticized.


15.) 28 Sep 2020 05:23:22
I don't really like vardy. I thought he bottled it by staying at Leicester. But they've done quite well, very well considering the competition. Not a big club but are definitely in big club company. And he's been brilliant for them and is more than just a goal scorer this last season or two. He's a decent player.


 

 

26 Sep 2020 18:40:10
Looking at Chelsea, I really can't overstate how lucky we are to have defenders that can actually defend.


1.) 26 Sep 2020 18:59:00
A left side of Alonso an Thiago Silva absolutely criminal from Lampard. West Brom CBs are tearing past them.


2.) 26 Sep 2020 19:16:25
for me I don't see lampard lasting the season as manager
just another example of a former top player getting a top job because of who he is and not what he has actually achieved in the game coaching wise
lest not forget he actually failed at derby
whilst a manager like scott parker achieved.


3.) 26 Sep 2020 19:35:31
Game two halves.


4.) 26 Sep 2020 19:36:08
And don't forget the left hand of havertz.


5.) 26 Sep 2020 19:57:43
Lampard had ever get his ship together cos if not, he will be sacked one of these mornings after another pathetic performance.


6.) 26 Sep 2020 20:13:14
To be absolutely fair to Lampard, I wonder how much input he had into the decision to spend £200m on forwards and sign defenders on "free" transfers?

That Sarr chap they got is highly rated, but he's going to need to be the next Laporte to sort that out.


7.) 26 Sep 2020 20:14:53
Chelsea got a great team. Question will be will Lampard be given the time after spending so much this window. Every manager needs time.


8.) 26 Sep 2020 21:11:56
SR to your point, I had and still have a feeling that these players were signed for Lampard BUT if indeed he is not the answer, the next manager will have a lot of top quality material to work with. Just a hunch.


9.) 26 Sep 2020 21:28:46
Frankie telling klopp to shut up givin it big un!
250m on players my friend I think u better start givin it a big un!


10.) 26 Sep 2020 22:52:32
Red Meister, Chelsea are a bit like us in the first half of 2017/ 18. Phenomenal attackers like Salah, Mane, Bobby (& Coutinho until he left) capable of racking up goals for fun, but the likes of Lovren, Klavan, Mignoletagoalin and Karius leaking them in at a similar rate the other end.

And tbh, I think I'd take 2017 vintage Karius, Lovren and Klavan ahead of Kepa, Zouma and Christensen.

They'll be potentially brilliant in individual games, maybe even runs lasting a month or two. But they can't win major honours with the defenders they have, and will probably end up 20 points off the top of the league. Just like we couldn't win things until we got Virgil and Alisson.

Whether Lampard stays or someone else comes in, they need to get quality at the back to match what's in attack. Maybe Sarr and Mendy will make a big difference, but it's a big ask for them to settle in and do it straight away.


11.) 27 Sep 2020 00:49:25
I've been saying it non stop since lampard has been in charge that the amount of naivety he continues to show time after time regarding his defensive decisions is always going to hold Chelsea back. I said it all summer that the investment put into havertz and ziyech was going to be a waste of 100mil as long as they still defended like a relegation battling side. Imagine if that 100mil was used to buy a CB and top keeper. Would be far more effective than 2 more attackers. He's picked 2 full backs who attack high up and left out of position while are weak defensively even when facing the attack. Lampard then opts to play 2 slow immobile CBs to cover for his invisible FBs. Chilwell and the new GK can only improve but they're not going to be enough to fix that defence. Azpilicueta should be his go to man and their best defender, most versatile and also the only one with a voice at the back. He left him out against mane and salah which hurt them and again today his full backs all over the place. Rudiger being made available to leave while a 36 yr old Brazilian CB who's spent his career coasting through the weak French league with no stress was expected to suddenly be capable of making the step to English premier league when his legs are already gone to even consider keeping up with the pace. It's laughable how Chelsea have tried to improve on last season. The GK has been an issue for a whole year but 5 or 6 other signings were done first and Chelsea played their first 3 games without a new GK and now already 5 points off the pace. It's funny their 3 scorers who saved them today were the 3 young lads who came through the youth ranks and over the summer saw Werner, havertz and ziyech cost 150mil to apparently make Chelsea great again. There's no identity there.

A group of young British talent who showed the desire to work their socks off and play together for the manager was being admired early on and the only positive to take from last year. He then adds 4 or 5 new faces all coming from European leagues and for big fees with no experience of English culture and that can't be the right way to build a squad with balance. Perfect example is thiago Silva making his debut alongside brand new teammates who he hardly knows and unable to even speak the same language as his defensive line or even his manager. I know he's proven as a great leader and captain for psg or Brazil but to expect him to organise a team he's never played with and players he doesn't even know personally shows how weak chelsea are in terms of leadership skills.


12.) 27 Sep 2020 03:23:39
He'll be givdn time. He's Frank lampard. They love him.

I think he should've spent more time learning the trade tho.


13.) 27 Sep 2020 08:02:32
The money Chelsea spent on Havertz should have gone to getting in a quality CB like Upamecano or Konate. They are too top heavy and rotating and keeping all their attacking players is going to be an issue for Lampard as the season goes on.
Their defense on the other hand is a complete shambles. Grandpa Silva is not going to fix those problems and the decision to send Sarr out on loan just looks ridiculous to me.
Chelsea's entire transfer window this summer has been opportunistic rather than strategic. They have signed all these players simply because no other clubs could afford them. There doesn't seem to be any real strategy on how to help these players gel or how to fit them all in an ideal formation.


14.) 26 Sep 2020 19:53:00
I can remember a debate with eds25 over who was better Alonso or Robbo. Never a a debate eds25. How’s your nosebleed 😂.

{Ed025's Note - i think you have me mixed up with someone else ace, alonso is bloody awful and always has been, we are doing ok at the minute mate but the acid test will be the derby..


15.) 27 Sep 2020 17:41:31
Does havertz play in Mason mounts position? If so it was a pointless signing. Mason will become z very good player.


 

 

24 Sep 2020 19:02:06
Rhys Williams the surprise CB option. The lesser spotted Shaqiri plays along with Grujic.

Jota and Harry Wilson on the bench.


1.) 24 Sep 2020 20:36:34
Who is shaqiris barber he needs to be shot.


2.) 24 Sep 2020 20:47:47
Shaqiri and his hair. who ever did his hair transplant needs to be struck off 😂😂😂.


3.) 25 Sep 2020 06:44:10
Looked like one of those voodoo dolls with straight up hair.


 

 

19 Sep 2020 16:46:57
Has defending become optional in the Premier League this season?

{Ed047's Note - I’m pretty sure you’re only allowed to defend after you’ve scored at least 5 goals of your own SR.


1.) 19 Sep 2020 17:05:23
Leeds Utd, 2 games, 7 goals scored, 7 goals conceded.
They’re going to take some serious stick this season, can’t play like that with all the quality forwards in the Prem.

{Ed025's Note - good to watch though mate..


2.) 19 Sep 2020 18:18:43
Should keep the cardiac services in the local hospitals occupied anyway.


 

 

17 Sep 2020 22:49:23
FKFB is strutting around like a pheasant in mating season over Thiago. "I got it right! Told ya! "

Yeah, let's ignore that no deal was done when he said it was, that he had to restrict replies to a tweet saying the deal would be done 'on Tuesday' 4 weeks ago, and that "Hans" is still a phantom that only WonderDogSparky can speak to.

I'm not annoyed or anything, I just find it amusing. Let's see will he be right suggesting Sarr, a player linked to us by nearly every media outlet next.


1.) 17 Sep 2020 23:08:22
Lol and to think some people actually listen to what he says? crazy mate.


2.) 18 Sep 2020 08:46:57
Who is FKFB, exactly?


3.) 18 Sep 2020 08:52:36
Not a bad bit if business👊

Outs:

Ibe, £15m
Benteke, £32m
Stewart, £8m
Sakho, £26m
Coutinho, £142m
Ward, £12.5m
Solanke, £19m
Allen, £14m
Lovren, £10m

Total: £278.5m

Ins:
Thiago, £20m
Salah, £37m
Mané, £34m
Robertson, £10m
Wijnaldum, £25
Van Dijk, £75m
Alisson, £67m

Toal: £268m.

{Ed025's Note - you forgot keita JK..


4.) 18 Sep 2020 09:23:26
Ed025 good spot that mate. It was actually a copy and paste. Kieta would take us to about 50 mill spend then with the players out and players in. Quite some transfer business that looking at quality of out compared to in.

{Ed025's Note - you have done great business JK..


 

 

 

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22 Sep 2020 21:09:40
Wow Ed, that's the same value as the entire Everton first team squad. Surprised you rate him so highly.

{Ed025's Note - i might have gone over the top a bit mate.. :)


 

 

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22 Sep 2020 21:16:33
Even if we sell players who basically aren't going to feature this season (Wilson, Karius etc. ) and Origi and Shaqiri as well, I genuinely don't see how we'd possibly use Sarr, Taku and Jota with enough regularity, given that Salah, Mane and Bobby are undisputably first choice. Not to mention the occasional look in for Elliot. We'd basically be relying on injuries or corona to make Sarr necessary.

And even without Sarr, we've enough cover for pretty much anything but half the team getting corona, in which case we'll likely have fixture postponement anyway.

I reckon it's just Twitter chat with no substance and our interest ended when we decided to go for Jota instead.


 

 

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15 Sep 2020 22:59:02
No worries man, all good.

I'm not sure dominating the league for 3-4 years was ever a guarantee even with further investment. Only one team has successfully defended the PL title in a decade - Man City.

That being said, I'm still confident we can do it. Another experienced CB and Thiago would help, but even without them we're in the best shape to win it imo.

Have City's signings really made them that much better? Or brought them to the level they were at in 18/ 19? I don't think so, personally. And I think Rodri may have some difficulty replacing Fernadinho (who is 35) in the long term. He's not as good defensively and whilst he gets on the ball more, he goes sideways a lot more than Fernandinho. Good player obviously, but not the same, and we saw last year how they missed Fernandinho's aggression in midfield.
I might rethink my views on City if they land a high quality CB.

Man U have signed one player. And could possibly replace de Gea with Henderson. Don't think they've done enough to challenge.

Chelsea have invested heavily, which they were always going to do with money they had from Morata and Hazard. As well as from a lot of excess players sold for £5m and £10m here and there (eg. Palasic, Aina, Kalas) over the last couple of years. And they've invested well, Havertz and Werner are undoubtedly very good players. But are they as good as Salah and Mane? They're certainly not established and proven in this league in the same way.
And they're not as good at the back. Even if Sarr is the next Laporte (he might be, I've never seen him play), they don't have the same quality in defence as us, and our keeper is a lot better than theirs.
Very dangerous team to play against, undoubtedly, could beat us at the weekend. But I don't think they'll sustain a title challenge over the whole season. They might next season though.


 

 

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31 Aug 2020 18:28:30
Honestly don't want us to go to Jan and get him on a 'free' even if he doesn't move before then. It's a poor way to behave and it's a year less of peak Thiago.


 

 

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27 Aug 2020 21:06:08
I'm going to go ahead and not meltdown with worry over this. Mane will be here next year.


 

 

 

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27 Sep 2020 21:13:38
"Ali loves an injury. "

This will be his 3rd injury in 3 years, if he misses the game tomorrow. Wouldn't call that loving an injury.


 

 

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27 Sep 2020 18:44:44
I've said it a couple of times, I think Rodri to replace Fernandinho long-term was a mis-step for them. He's too crab-like with his passing and doesn't protect the back line nearly as well. Playing both (like today) means sacrificing the double #10 system that worked for them so well when they won the league in 17/ 18 and 18/ 19.

I have to say their bench looked absolutely piss weak too. Have they players self-isolating or something?

{Ed002's Note - They are still looking to buy a long-term Fernandinho replacement.}


 

 

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27 Sep 2020 16:45:12
I wonder how much longer the handball rule will last as is before they change it again?


 

 

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26 Sep 2020 22:52:32
Red Meister, Chelsea are a bit like us in the first half of 2017/ 18. Phenomenal attackers like Salah, Mane, Bobby (& Coutinho until he left) capable of racking up goals for fun, but the likes of Lovren, Klavan, Mignoletagoalin and Karius leaking them in at a similar rate the other end.

And tbh, I think I'd take 2017 vintage Karius, Lovren and Klavan ahead of Kepa, Zouma and Christensen.

They'll be potentially brilliant in individual games, maybe even runs lasting a month or two. But they can't win major honours with the defenders they have, and will probably end up 20 points off the top of the league. Just like we couldn't win things until we got Virgil and Alisson.

Whether Lampard stays or someone else comes in, they need to get quality at the back to match what's in attack. Maybe Sarr and Mendy will make a big difference, but it's a big ask for them to settle in and do it straight away.


 

 

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26 Sep 2020 20:13:14
To be absolutely fair to Lampard, I wonder how much input he had into the decision to spend £200m on forwards and sign defenders on "free" transfers?

That Sarr chap they got is highly rated, but he's going to need to be the next Laporte to sort that out.