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26 Nov 2014 18:43:22
Team: Mignolet, Manquillo, Skrtel, Toure, Johnson, Lucas, Gerrard, Allen, Henderson, Sterling, Lambert

Be interesting to see how Gerrard and Lucas are deployed. I'm assuming it'll be a diamond with Gerrard at the tip and Lucas at the base, but I'm worried that it'll be both of them as DMs which didn't exactly work against West Ham.


 

 

 

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06 Dec 2019 17:37:12
Question for Ed002.

I appreciate this is not Liverpool related, but I'm hoping you'll indulge me a little.

I don't know if you're aware of the issues at the Football Association of Ireland, but they're more than €55m in debt and are possibly insolvent. Deloitte were unable to certify them as a going concern when auditing their 2018 accounts. Whilst ultimately I expect some sort of debt restructuring to stop the FAI from outright shutting down, can I ask:

1) Is it actually possible for a national Football Association to effectively cease trading?

2) If so, what would be the consequences? I assume ejection from UEFA and FIFA sanctioned competition for all Irish national sides and League of Ireland clubs would be involved.

{Ed002's Note - (1) Yes they could potentially be forced to cease business and to sell the assets (half of the Aviva Stadium) - if the banks were to go down that route. (2) The consequences would be that FIFA would allow a restructured and newly formed FAI to join but would want guarantees that they could sustain business.

It is unlikely at the moment that it would happen. They need to either refinance the debt and find away to be profitable - right now they are break-even at best - so they can service the debt, or to find a buyer for their holding in the Aviva Stadium}


1.) 06 Dec 2019 18:34:17
Thanks for the response Ed, much appreciated.

{Ed002's Note - You arew elcome.}


2.) 06 Dec 2019 21:50:54
That's actually an interesting topic. I didn't even know it was possible for a countries FA to get into debt lol.


3.) 06 Dec 2019 23:39:11
It's easy, hsf.

Just co-fund the construction of a big, shiny stadium with the IRFU and to pay for your end of it, plan to sell corporate boxes at insane rates, right before a global recession starts. That accounts for a lot of it. Fan apathy towards successive managers reducing the gate receipts, and then paying off those managers, doesn't help either. Neither does an apparent lack of a procurement process (for general expenses, not the stadium) and general financial oversight.

To my casual observation the FAI effectively pulled a Leeds. Threw sacks of money at the men's national team brought in Trap and then O'Neill, who were among the highest paid international managers around, and gambled that they'd make the team competitive to attract fans, money into the new stadium, and qualify for major tournaments to get some prize money. We did qualify for two European Championships, tbf, but even as it was clear that Trap and O'Neill were on the decline, they were given new contracts that both had to be paid off early.

And at the same time as this, the League of Ireland winners got about €100,000 in prize money, roughly 1/ 5th of the FAI Chief Executive's yearly salary (mind you, the LoI don't have a great record with money management either), and the women's team shared training gear and tracksuits with the men's U21s. That's what'll suffer from this, the LoI, grassroots football and the women's game. Well that, and the all the staff the FAI will probably lay off over the coming months.


4.) 07 Dec 2019 00:49:01
What’s with the “lol”?


5.) 07 Dec 2019 07:58:51
It’s LOI, league of Ireland. Took me a while as well, I was like “this doesn’t seem a laughing matter. ” 😆.


6.) 07 Dec 2019 09:29:24
Well said something red, I was on good terms with the chairman of a loi team for a few years and the crap I heard pulled was dreadful. Football in Ireland will never amount to anything the way things are run.


7.) 07 Dec 2019 09:53:51
Anyone know if the govt is able to subsidise / bail out an international football association? I know there are rules about govt interference but would a no strings attached payment count as interference. I would have thought having a national football team is important to all parties particularly the fans.


8.) 07 Dec 2019 14:07:35
aoe - I know the PRO of my local LoI side who reckons that at least half the teams in the country pay out more in fines (for things like not always having match programmes, picking up a few yellows etc. ) to FAI than they get back in prize money.

Of course there is a problem in that when the LoI had money (relative to now, anyway), half of the teams overextended themselves, just like the FAI have done. I think at least 4 clubs followed more or less this exact pattern between 2005 and 2011: Win league and qualify for Europe. Spend money on players. Fail to retain the league title and/ or progress beyond a single qualifier against a team from Lapland. Go into administration and be reconstituted under new ownership.

It kinda looks like there is no one in a senior role Irish football who knows what they're doing. To say Dundalk are an outlier in their consistency recently is an understatement.

@ g1 - It might theoretically be possible for the Government to give them a bailout or buy their share in the Aviva without getting in trouble with UEFA or FIFA. But in this particular case, for it to be remotely politically viable, the electorate would want the government to have serious oversight on the running of the FAI in return. That would obviously count as interference and is a non-starter.


 

 

06 Oct 2019 18:04:12
Solskjaer's just gone and got himself sacked before they play us, hasn't he?


1.) 06 Oct 2019 18:17:23
Great, we play them just in time for the ‘new manager bounce’!


2.) 06 Oct 2019 18:29:50
Please! I don't want him to be sacked. They should give him at least another five or ten seasons for him to rebuild.


3.) 06 Oct 2019 18:32:10
I've just looked at the table, and if we beat Manchester United and other results go certain ways (i. e. teams below them winning and Villa Vs Brighton a draw) . They could be bottom three.

I know that all of that coming off is unlikely, but it would be very very funny.


4.) 06 Oct 2019 18:53:50
Epic, I'm now convinced that Solskjaer will relegate them if given the full season. They've just lost to Newcastle who have a dearth of Premier League quality in their squad and are managed by statistically one of the worst managers in the history of the Premiership.

In terms of pure player quality, they have problems, but I'd still have them mid table. With how close the mid table is they could be 6th with the right management (btw, it gives me no end of pleasure to write that sentence) . But he has them playing like comatose sloths.

Don't see much chance of them beating us at Anfield regardless of who's in the dugout, they just haven't got the quality. But basically they're like Everton now. Can't win anything, so a result against us is all they really have to play for. If they had someone who could fire their players up in the dressing room and make them scrap for it, it could be fairly uncomfortable. Whereas if Solskjaer is still there, they'll still be strolling around in a disinterested daze and any urgency from us at all will result in a 3-0 win.


5.) 06 Oct 2019 19:09:48
Whoever is incharge, they aren't capable of giving us a good game, we'll do them I have no doubts about it. Leicester were the team of this month I was most concerned about. Solskjaer though, he's doing a grand job isn't he? I love it, I'm a top fan of his.


6.) 06 Oct 2019 19:17:26
That starting 11 is woeful. Mctominay is average at best but standing out in a awful midfield. Mata is past it, James is promising but can't be expected of too much, and Rashford seems shot of confidence. Defensively, two Yong players who don’t seem like they have big futures, Ashley young (enough said) and slabhead. De gea must be looking around the dressing room and thinking what am I doing here.


7.) 06 Oct 2019 19:22:33
Something Red. If he isn't sacked after that (and I'm fairly confident that he won't be) then what will it take? It doesn't look like he'll walk as he's so grateful to be in the job in the first place.

McGuire and Wan-Bissaka must be wondering what they've got themselves into (apart from a fatter wallet) . Leicester and Palace are both much better than this Manchester United side and the league table proves it.

I wonder what odds you'd get on Sheffield Utd, Newcastle, Southampton and Everton to all win their next game and leapfrog past them. Actually, now that I've said that, if I don't put a bet on it's bound to happen, haha.


8.) 06 Oct 2019 20:31:49
I agree Firmane. You forgot Fred, he is woeful. The English Real Madrid is in a tailspin right now. They'll be back though. It will take a few seasons, but it is so cyclical.


9.) 06 Oct 2019 20:37:18
Utd dug their own graves the day they gave OGS the job full time. OGS as well dug his own grave by accepting a job that was clearly too big for him. His former team mates in the punditry class did not help him either, using their platform to put pressure on Woodward to hire him full time. I don't even know if Woodward wanted OGS permanently cos he prolly was looking for a more high profile pick.

Now the dye is cast and Utd not only screwed up the managerial appointment, they screwed up their whole recruitment strategy by well, not having one. Will he get the sack? At this point, if they sack him then they lose the PR battle and a large section of the fans will turn on Woodward (a guy they hate by the way) . If they keep him, another section of the fan base will turn on Woodward for not doing anything to stop the bleeding. Lose-Lose situation, really.


10.) 06 Oct 2019 21:17:30
RedWolf. Stop giving them the credit by calling them "United". There's plenty of "Uniteds" around and they're no longer the best and no longer deserve to be called that. Sheffield, West Ham, Leeds, and of course Newcastle (who showed today that they were the better United) .

When you hear someone shout "United" now, assume that they're a West Ham fan.


11.) 06 Oct 2019 23:44:42
Good point, Potato. I watched West Ham vs Man U and it drove me mad that the commentator called the losing team ‘United’ all match when there were two Uniteds onthe pitch.


12.) 07 Oct 2019 07:39:37
Lads, we can’t take them for granted. Last season they had 10 players injured but we still couldn’t break them down. They will do everything they can do to stop us in two weeks.

I expect a tough game.


13.) 07 Oct 2019 11:50:20
we should beat manU, but 'should' never bags the 3 points lol
couple weeks for them to plot away etc, hope we return from the break fit and with some form.


14.) 07 Oct 2019 19:15:42
If we get 3 points at Old Trafford, we equal Chelsea's record of winning their first 9 games of the season in the Premier League. I can't think of a worse way to not complete that than not getting all 3 points against this Man United side.

Man U fans are so down right now. For them, it would be like winning the league to just get a point against us. They have really fallen that far.


15.) 07 Oct 2019 20:17:29
Yo Epic, slow down, man. I thought you were going to jump off your PC or phone keyboard and sort me out, lol.


 

 

22 Sep 2019 19:35:19
Which is the better joke lads?

Manchester United or Everton?


1.) 22 Sep 2019 21:40:10
Utd all day.


2.) 22 Sep 2019 22:47:06
I take no pleasure seeing Everton struggle. Happy for them to finish second, as long as they finish below us. I guess I'm from an era where the crowd still mixed freely on Derby Day and half a family could be red, half blue, so I'd prefer the whole city to be happy with how their team are playing. Utd on the other hand, well, would happily see them relegated.


3.) 23 Sep 2019 06:26:40
burkeyboy - I'm not scouse but I'm with you totally! maybe its a bit about having merseyside strong as a bastion of football over the show ponies from manchester and london lol But ye, I'm ok with everton being strong as long as we are still putting them back in their place, just below us!


4.) 23 Sep 2019 08:09:15
Couldn't say it any better burkey and faith.


5.) 23 Sep 2019 07:52:36
Faith, I left Liverpool when I was 18 but it never leaves you. The city feel like a big family in a way and I wouldn't want to wish ill on any of them, Joey Barton excluded :) I'm a big Ed025 fan and would love to see him strutting his stuff in the city centre with Everton battering all teams but us and we've reminisced about the halcion days of Merseyside cup finals down at Wembley with red and blue shoulder to shoulder singing "Merseyside, Merseyside, Merseyside. "

{Ed025's Note - we certainly have burkey mate...halcyon days indeed, unfortunately we are a million miles from liverpools standard and it could be quite a while before those days are replicated my old mucker..


 

 

01 Jun 2019 21:49:36
Statue for Origi please.


1.) 01 Jun 2019 22:37:39
Make it in platinum please.


2.) 01 Jun 2019 23:22:23
Anyone ever says he should move on again, i will track them down and play rick astley "never going to give you up" to them for a week!

Fairclough no2.


 

 

08 May 2019
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Liverpool Player Sightings page entitled, When you realise your cheating didn't work


1.) 08 May 2019 14:44:09
Suarez did little more than audition for a role in the Royal Shakespeare Company. Seems that part of Barcas tactics were to get a Liverpool player sent off so Messi had another chance with a free kick. Chewy Luis was, of course, the main culprit. The image of Suarez with a face like a dropped pie has brightened my day immeasurably.


 

 

 

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24 Oct 2019 19:04:32
We really have a fascinating fetish for wanting to drop Hendo out of the team. Apart possibly from Matip, I don't think any player's position is talked about as much. Yet he keeps coming back and justifying his place.

That said, Ox deserves to start against Spurs, imo. And I think Klopp subbed him because he wants that option. Had he no intention of starting him against Spurs, he'd have probably left him on for the full 90 against Genk.

I wouldn't start Ox and Keita though, I think it'll leave us too open. Given that Fabinho should be an automatic choice at DM, there's then a space for Gini, Milner or Hendo even with Ox starting. I see merits in picking any of them.


 

 

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28 Sep 2019 10:36:20
What on earth possessed us to field Chirivella without making sure his paperwork was in order?

Did we not know about it or did we just not bother? Is Rick Parry back running our club's admin department or something?


 

 

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29 Aug 2019 23:54:31
Looks like Roma have got Smalling instead.

Lol?


 

 

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06 Aug 2019 23:59:28
@ Wolverine_Red: Average of 23 shots on target per match, all from outside the box and only 3 on target :D

That being said, whilst I've argued against spending massive money on another attacking player on the Discussion page, if I was in charge of Liverpool I'd ring Levy and ask him what he wants for Son in order to fund this excess.


 

 

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04 Aug 2019 23:50:07
Let's get that done and dusted and get out of there before they realise what we've done.


 

 

 

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07 Dec 2019 22:48:54
Wombat, whilst it's obviously not outright impossible for them to catch us and I'm under no illusions about that, it's unlikely.

We've dropped 19 points in the league since the start of last season. A year and a half. Even if Man City win every game between now and May, we'd need to drop 14 in just over half a season. I don't see how that's going to happen. I genuinely think it's game over for them this season. They won't catch us.

And to be honest, the fact that Leicester are still only 8 behind (I'm assuming they'll win tomorrow) is good for us because it'll guard against complacency for our boys.


 

 

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07 Dec 2019 20:16:27
Things becoming a bit more difficult for Pep in his fourth season. I hope someone answers that phone, cos Ed001 called it.

14 behind us. Even if they beat us at their place, they still need us to drop 11 more than them on top of that between now and May. I don't think that's particularly likely.


 

 

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07 Dec 2019 20:13:09
It seems to be only be 1: The fixture played on the weekend of the 21st / 22nd.

Man City and Leicester play each other that round.


 

 

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07 Dec 2019 14:07:35
aoe - I know the PRO of my local LoI side who reckons that at least half the teams in the country pay out more in fines (for things like not always having match programmes, picking up a few yellows etc. ) to FAI than they get back in prize money.

Of course there is a problem in that when the LoI had money (relative to now, anyway), half of the teams overextended themselves, just like the FAI have done. I think at least 4 clubs followed more or less this exact pattern between 2005 and 2011: Win league and qualify for Europe. Spend money on players. Fail to retain the league title and/ or progress beyond a single qualifier against a team from Lapland. Go into administration and be reconstituted under new ownership.

It kinda looks like there is no one in a senior role Irish football who knows what they're doing. To say Dundalk are an outlier in their consistency recently is an understatement.

@ g1 - It might theoretically be possible for the Government to give them a bailout or buy their share in the Aviva without getting in trouble with UEFA or FIFA. But in this particular case, for it to be remotely politically viable, the electorate would want the government to have serious oversight on the running of the FAI in return. That would obviously count as interference and is a non-starter.


 

 

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06 Dec 2019 23:39:11
It's easy, hsf.

Just co-fund the construction of a big, shiny stadium with the IRFU and to pay for your end of it, plan to sell corporate boxes at insane rates, right before a global recession starts. That accounts for a lot of it. Fan apathy towards successive managers reducing the gate receipts, and then paying off those managers, doesn't help either. Neither does an apparent lack of a procurement process (for general expenses, not the stadium) and general financial oversight.

To my casual observation the FAI effectively pulled a Leeds. Threw sacks of money at the men's national team brought in Trap and then O'Neill, who were among the highest paid international managers around, and gambled that they'd make the team competitive to attract fans, money into the new stadium, and qualify for major tournaments to get some prize money. We did qualify for two European Championships, tbf, but even as it was clear that Trap and O'Neill were on the decline, they were given new contracts that both had to be paid off early.

And at the same time as this, the League of Ireland winners got about €100,000 in prize money, roughly 1/ 5th of the FAI Chief Executive's yearly salary (mind you, the LoI don't have a great record with money management either), and the women's team shared training gear and tracksuits with the men's U21s. That's what'll suffer from this, the LoI, grassroots football and the women's game. Well that, and the all the staff the FAI will probably lay off over the coming months.