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14 May 2018 19:17:09
When it rains it pours! Just read that Ox not only injured his acl but the medial ligament and hamstring too. So we may not see him on the field in 2018 again. Recovery is going to take time and effort. Really empathize for the guy. Was beginning to come onto his own, and carve his own place in the team. 😒 🤞.


1.) 14 May 2018 20:08:53
Big shame for the lad, was coming into his own as well - hopefully he can make a full recovery.

2.) 14 May 2018 20:12:19
If that's true, everything else will be healed by the time his ACL has healed. It isn't like only 1 thing heals at a time.

3.) 14 May 2018 20:24:10
Don't count on seeing Ox until December 2018.

4.) 14 May 2018 20:53:15
He will be like a new signing for the second part of the season and all being well he will come back big and strong.

He has really impressed both on and off the pitch.

Got a feeling the Ox is going to pick up plenty of trophies with us in the next few seasons.

Let’s get number 6 to give him a boost.

5.) 14 May 2018 21:23:47
A bad blow and an area I get increasingly worried about. With Coutinho gone and Can likely to leave this summer we have a shortage in midfield, we have Keita arriving which eases some of the worry but now Chamberlain isn’t due back until December.

As it is we have.

Henderson (some injury issues) .
Can (leaving in summer) .
Chamberlain (out until December) .
Lallana (likely to leave) .


It seems Ceballos is highly likely which if happens gives us.


Plus Coutinho still needs replacing which hopefully mean Fekir or Pulisic arrives. Given Chamberlain is out until at least December and the possibility of any of the front three being injured or out of form, should we look to sign Ceballos, Pulisic and Fekir?

Would give us great depth and quality in midfield and attack.

6.) 14 May 2018 21:26:36
Chambo actually sourced 2 tickets for a father and son he met near the end of the season.

class act on and off the pitch!

hope he stays positive through his injury and can get through this!

7.) 14 May 2018 22:44:10
I kept thinking we got lucky with being him injury free compared to his arsenal days and now he's crocked. At least he's got the summer to recover and hopefully he can make it back before the busy christmas period.

8.) 14 May 2018 22:57:46
Hopefully he doesn't lose his pace and explosiveness. Really liked him this season, and offers a good option in the middle or wide. We Definetely need cover out wide, pace and the option to play as a forward or attacking midfielder too. Fekir ticks that box for me.

9.) 14 May 2018 22:42:25
Jonesred I understand your concerns and I’ve just been having a near identical conversation with a mate as he had the same worries. But I personally think that if we sign our targets (Cellabos and AM) along with Keita, then we will have sufficient players to cope with Ox’s injury.

If we use this seasons formation as an example and look at the squad hypothetically with those signings. Hendo, Keita and Fekir start with gigi, Milner and Cellabos in reserve is plenty, even if let’s say we lose hendo and Fekir to injury, we still would have a midfield of Cellabos, Keita and gig/ Milner, and then gives players like Trent and Woodburn the opportunity to play in midfield. Especially if we sign a rightback as the eds have mentioned.

I’d say signing another midfielder on top of all that could end up being more disruptive than productive.

10.) 15 May 2018 01:10:48
Don’t forget about TTA.

11.) 15 May 2018 05:57:23
Terrible shame. Ox had become an automatic starter in the midfield. An explosive player. He was outstanding against City in the CL.

This is clearly a very serious injury to his knee. It is entirely possible he will come back as good as before. Also entirely possible he will never be the same player.

At this point, the club has to plan for life without him. "Back in December2018", "nine months" etc are all just guesses.

So we very much need to bring in another midfielder now, in addition to Keita.

12.) 16 May 2018 15:27:32
No way Lallana leaves this summer - I expect him to make an impact when he gets subbed in in the 65th minute of the CL Final.

That being said, I only think we'll bring in 1 or 2 additional midfielders.

I personally get excited about the potential of a Milner, Keita, Ox midfield, and I don't think it's the end of the world if Lallana starts the season in Ox's spot

Bottom line, I'm not too worried about our midfield depth, even though it looks rough for the CL Final.

13.) 17 May 2018 15:58:50
He is only 24 yo. I remember Mane was injured and got back in 2 months.




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05 Aug 2020 10:58:22
From the group that won the U-17 title in 2017, all the standouts are doing quite well; like Phil Foden, Hudson-Odoi and Sancho. Brewster was top scorer at the tournament. Time to give him his shot too, to see what we have exactly.


1.) 05 Aug 2020 11:09:25
Brewster had a very significant injury which set him back for 18 months. He still needs a little more time, a loan to a lower half PL club is the best option. If he hadn't of had the bad injury IMO he would be ready now for a shot at LFC.

2.) 05 Aug 2020 11:27:58
He'll be back training with the first team when the pre season begins so I'm sure Klopp will look at where he is and decide what is best for him and the club for the new season.

3.) 05 Aug 2020 12:05:04
OP, I disagree. Even Foden only started getting his chances in the 18/ 19 season while Brewster was still injured and his injury was quite severe. Sancho was already getting chances at Dortmund and they were already looking to sign Brewster as well had Klopp not vetoed it so your comparison is false.

Brewster is developing nicely at his own pace so I'll leave it to Klopp and the club to take care of him as only they know what is best for him. All we have are opinions and that's it.

4.) 05 Aug 2020 13:38:33
I'm not having any of it. I insist that Klopp start Brewster now. (Oke, just kidding and provoking those easily provoked) . 😁.

5.) 05 Aug 2020 16:40:11
Nice one, ArAy1969.

6.) 05 Aug 2020 17:44:04
I can't believe I'm saying this. But if we could get 50mil plus for origi to villa I'd take it and give brewster his shot. I keep forgetting the wc thing. Phoden and sancho shining while brewster was the golden boy. Then again, wasn't dom solanke also one of them.

Imo he was so unlucky for us. He was literally inches away from scoring 7/ 8/ 9 goals in his first season. Gets sold to a duff team drenched in strikers and struggles to score. Although he is not just a goal scorer, he has a cultured game.

I'd put money (if I had any) on him proving the doubters wrong. He will end up somewhere where he is valued and started and he'll be a star. I remember that pre season with us, he scored some crackers and a world ie. Against? Might ve been dortmund actually
. Those promoted clubs should be having a think. I think hed shine at Leicester actually. Behind vardy and ianacho (sorry for the spelling) young team, like to play. The more I think about it the more it mzkes sense.

7.) 05 Aug 2020 19:30:16
Whatever you say, Robbie lad.

8.) 05 Aug 2020 21:24:59
Lol RM, star might be pushing it. He'll be back in the prem I'm sure of it.



31 Jul 2020 06:59:53
Congratulations to Joel Matip on his marriage. Am extremely happy and overjoyed he's joined those of us who are "bonded" already (why should I be the only one to suffer? ) . 😜.


{Ed025's Note - there was a problem though ArAy, when the vows were being made joel was sitting in the second row....the bugger is always out of position.. :)

1.) 31 Jul 2020 07:09:55
Hahahaha. Top form so early in the morning Ed025. 😉.

{Ed025's Note - insomnia is the key ArAy.. :)

2.) 31 Jul 2020 07:26:07
Tell me about it Ed025; i sleep at 6:00am and wake up at 11:00am or thereabouts. 4 months of lockdown.

{Ed025's Note - its thrown everyones body clock out mate..but i have to say i did enjoy it..

3.) 31 Jul 2020 08:06:47
And of course, big Congratulations to Big Joel and his lovely bride.

4.) 31 Jul 2020 08:35:34
Ah quality, I didn't know. Good luck to them both!

5.) 31 Jul 2020 08:06:01
Nice one, Ed,

{Ed025's Note - cheers RM..

6.) 31 Jul 2020 11:54:11
It’s official Reds - Ed025 broken clock 🤣.

{Ed025's Note - thanks for that juicer, i only had myself down for once mate.. :)

7.) 31 Jul 2020 16:42:52
Good head though ed025. Which we all know makes up for a lot of deficiencies.

{Ed025's Note - yeah cant beat good head.. :)

8.) 31 Jul 2020 17:13:45
Ed025 is a legend!

{Ed025's Note - cheers noski..



29 Jul 2020 21:23:01
After seeing Salah's new haircut, I'm convinced we need a Hairstyle coach too. Now waiting for Firmino to reconfirm my suspicions.




29 Jul 2020 20:41:00
Since the HG and Non-HG issue will play a huge part in player sales and purchases, I thought it would make sense to write out the current squad in those terms.

Non-HG - Allison, Adrian, Van Dijk, Robertson, Matip, Fabinho, Wijnaldum, Keita, Shaqiri, Firmino, Salah, Mane, Origi and Minamino. Total of 14; rule says maximum of 17 in a squad of 25.

HG - Kelleher, Gomez, TAA, Milner, Henderson, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Jones. Total of 7; rule says minimum of 8 in a squad of 25.

I have left Lonergan out (end of contract) and I am assuming Karius will not play even if he is not sold.

If you add one of Brewster or Philips, (or buy another HG player) to the squad you meet the HG requirement.

If Klopp wants a full squad of 25, then he could add another 3 players to the non-HG quota; perhaps keep Grujic and/ or buy a Thiago, a Kabak, a Sarr or any other, that are the flavor of the week.

It's crucial that Kelleher stay (and not go out on loan), and another HG player is added, otherwise the HG quota goes haywire. The 8 HG players is a minimum. Klopp can play with the 14 non-HG we have at present, if he so wants, and not add anybody.

I've assumed Ojo, Woodburn, Wilson, Grabara and Awoniyi will go out on loan again or be sold.


1.) 29 Jul 2020 21:00:02
Elliot and williams will complete the HG quota should they be included in the squad.

2.) 29 Jul 2020 21:39:03
I may be wrong but elliot and neco are under a certain age and can be used in addition to the 25 man squad. Maybe too much football manager.

{Ed002's Note - Right.}

3.) 29 Jul 2020 23:47:46
Doesn’t robertson count as home grown because is form UK.

{Ed001's Note - no.}

4.) 29 Jul 2020 22:57:49
The likes of Jones, Brewster and Woodburn wouldn't count as HG as they're not 21 yet mate. Had a look at the squad and I believe these below would count as HG.
TAA, Ox, Hendo, Milner, Gomez - I think these 5 are definite and then would need 3 from below. I would guess Lonergan extends plus Hardy stays but the others likely to leave on loan or permenant so we would have 7 HG there needing one more.

Lonergan, Kelleher, Grabara, Phillips, Kane, Wilson, Ojo, Hardy.

Please correct me if I am wrong Eds.

{Ed002's Note - The HG rules relate to 21 and over.}



27 Jul 2020 11:44:27
It being the end of the season, I'd like to thank Ed001 and his entire team of Eds for yet another wonderful year. All the various posters too. LFC achieved new heights and may it long continue. Life would not be the same without waking up to this site every day. Better than my morning coffee by a mile. Many thanks again.


{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, you have been with us for a long time now, nice you are still about when we finally get the league back!}

1.) 27 Jul 2020 12:34:01
Yeah I suppose this isn't one of the worst sites out there lad's😁👍.

2.) 27 Jul 2020 12:29:23
I still remember being scolded on here for not signing my name after posts Ed001, LOL. The time has flown by. And we've got a wonderful community here.

{Ed001's Note - wow, you really have been here a long time! Most people learn their lesson much faster than that....}

3.) 27 Jul 2020 13:36:07
Me learning fast, Ed001? I'm just lazy sometimes. And since you're there, could you explain to me why we're not buying MBappe, Werner and Neymar, and why Koulibaly and Diego Carlos are not with us already, and how is it that a league champion has no money to splash out generously? (Just kidding, please don't respond 🤦‍♂️) .

{Ed001's Note - I am too busy crying to answer!}

4.) 27 Jul 2020 15:43:35
Very well said ra.

5.) 27 Jul 2020 20:34:55
Totally agree Ra, and I'm also one of the ones who remembers pre-registration when you got the kids here every holiday - I joined in late 2013 during the year of almosts!




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08 Aug 2020 13:56:00
The club will probably want in excess of 20 Million for each. In this environment, I highly doubt there will be buyers. Looks like it will be loans again.




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07 Aug 2020 22:52:03
Good deal if your info is accurate. 👍.




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03 Aug 2020 20:48:36
Re-check with Ed002, Epic. Last week I asked him and he said it was on for Jan 2021.




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03 Aug 2020 16:13:03
Ligue 1 probably suits Matip better in that it is less physical and more technical. And the new Missus probably finds Paris to be more romantic.

I doubt the rumour is true though, because 50 Million is quite generous. I'd take even 30 Million and spend it on a 23-24 year old and secure the next 4-5 years for the same position (in competition with Gomez) . Important thing is to find a backup for VVD since Lovren is gone (he played on the left for Southampton remember? )




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01 Aug 2020 14:52:01
The greatest misunderstanding has to be still the one by Roy Hodgson (which I just read about) . He sold the wrong player. Two players named Alex and he sold the wrong one because he couldn't remember the surnames. Misunderstanding is a very mild word for professional incompetence.





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09 Aug 2020 06:38:19
About 4-5 years ago, I met Anelka at a watch exhibition in Mumbai (of all places! ) . He looked so fit and could have put in 90 minutes on the field easily. And very soft spoken and slow, I could barely hear him talk. Nice memory.




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09 Aug 2020 06:33:48
Agreed Robbiesline. The best things in life are always the simple things. But they're usually half the price or cheaper; sometimes even free. 😅.




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09 Aug 2020 06:30:35
Harvey, thanks for the reply. As I had said, I was merely playing Devil's Advocate, because I didn't think the "fawning" over Thiago was really that merited. Overall, it's my opinion that they are of equal value to a team, with each offering a different set of skills. In an ideal World, Wiji would extend his contract and we'd buy Thiago too. I do like Thiago and believe he can improve the team. Start off games with Wiji and if defenses are not getting unlocked then bring in Thiago to offer a different look to our midfield, do things a little differently. Extend bother careers a little bit with less games, and keep them fresh too. But we don't live there and we're currently under the Corona year (or decade, who knows? ), so I know that's not a possibility. And who knows if keeping both would mess with the progress of Fabinho or Keita? In regards to the years I used, I simply added the numbers of years for which stats were listed; so yes it includes the years they were both teeny boppers (we all cheat in using stats to win arguments) .

One last thing. Get a haircut, man. Man buns are so 1970's.




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08 Aug 2020 20:25:32
Since there's all this fantasizing going on about Thiago Alcantara's abilities, let me play Devil's Advocate.

So he's one of the best midfielders of his generation, is it? So what does that make of Modric, De Bruyne, Kante, Busquets, David Silva, Kroos, Pogba, and quite a few others? Best midfielders of the century? Yes the man is talented, but let's not become like the click-baiters we see from morning to night, hyping a player to the limits of the skies and then crucifying for the slightest misstep.

He's played 16 seasons in his footballing career thus far. In only 4 seasons he made 27 appearances in league games. And in only 1 season (2018) he made 30 appearances in the league. The rest of the years he made lesser appearances for whatever assorted reasons (injuries included) . What makes you think he has the ability to make it over to a harder, faster and more physical league at a much older age? Without getting into whether Wijnaldum will extend or not, let's look at Wiji's appearance numbers over a 14 year footballing career. They're all in the low to high 30's per season. And for LFC the minimum has been 33 appearances and 37 for the maximum; all games combined he has played in a minimum of 42 games and a maximum of 50. Over a 16 year career Thiago has 391 appearances; Wiji has 515 appearances over 14 years.

My point is that there isn't that great a difference in the "value" between the two, as some make it sound. One (Wiji) is a workhorse who reports present whenever Klopp calls and gives the team the graft and effort that is required while playing out of his usual (earlier) position. And he scores crucial goals (his career average is 3 times higher than Thiago's) . He's one of the reasons the team ticks. The other (Thiago) is a talented creative player who'll pass and spray the ball around and offer new inroads for our game. But his big weakness is his fitness. You can only contribute to a team if you're on the field playing. Your talent is useless on the sidelines. We know about Thiago's abilities with the ball, what do we know about his abilities without it (defensively)? Can he press? We know Wiji covers our wingbacks well, covers and presses the ball and has been praised by Klopp for it.

(By the way, I like Thiago quite a lot. I think he would make a valuable contribution to the squad, but I have my doubts he would be able to hold on a to a starter's place due to fitness issues. I know statistics are frowned upon here, but career long numbers don't lie. It would be a sound enough investment though for 3 years at around the 20 Million being quoted. He could even prove influential and invaluable in training to the youngsters like TAA, Jones and others. )




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07 Aug 2020 13:14:15
You are absolutely right, Ed001. I deal with them on a daily basis. They are not only given stuff for free but they expect it that way, too. So it complicates life a bit.


{Ed001's Note - it really is a bizarre world we live in.}