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11 Apr 2024 19:08:00
A couple of reports appearing in the media that Luis Diaz has asked for a "renegotiation" of his contract. If true, then we're about to see how Hughes handles and reacts to such situations.

I, myself, don't see why it is warranted. Where is (or are) the achievements that justify re-doing a contract before it has even reached half-way? Am aware many contracts were re-done in the past, but there were achievements (as a team) that justified these types of "rewards", back then.

If someone comes in for him (PSG supposedly), I would insist on 75 million and then spend it towards bringing in Kvaratskhelia (while adding in whatever is necessary) .


1.) 11 Apr 2024 20:28:56
I personally feel it time for Diaz to move on. Not quite done enough and don't see him getting any better.
If a decent offer comes in I'd be happy to see him go. Works well for both the player and club.

2.) 11 Apr 2024 21:28:44
Given De Laurentis and Napoli are renowned for asking for top dollar and the fact Osimhen will likely be leaving for 100-130m. They’ll have even less need to sell Kvicha so can see needing to pay at least 50m on top of whatever Diaz may fetch.

3.) 12 Apr 2024 02:57:27
We've really seen the drop off in recent weeks of converting good chances. Diaz, for all his endeavour is the least productive of all our forwards. Given that Salah is not getting any younger and if you take away his Penalty goals, he has 17 open play goals whereas Nunez has 18. We are losing goals from Salah and cannot rely on Diaz to help out.

Given that Diaz is older than Nunez and Gakpo and has been here longer, I would allow Diaz to leave. Provided we can spend on a couple of quality replacements. I would also cash in on Salah.

Lastly, I can't believe it but I actually found myself giving NegativeWalter a thumbs up!

4.) 12 Apr 2024 09:42:21
I don't want to see the back of him but I think a transfer is on the cards in the summer. Which, if true good luck to the lad, we move on.

Ed2, do you know of any interest in Diaz?

{Ed002's Note - Luis Diaz (LW) Could be surplus. His agent already has one player in the Saudi league and has been offering another high profile player he has - so he may well be looking at Diaz as well given Liverpool are well stocked in the position. Al-Hillal may offer a solution. Liverpool will likely resist a deal but could look to a deal with Barcelona if they are serious about Raphinha. Using him in part exchange for another may be possible. Thoughts that PSG want him as an Mbappe replacement seem wide of the mark to me given they have very clear targets already, but his agent has approached PSG - but no more than that. Father says he wants to move to Spain.}

5.) 12 Apr 2024 11:17:48
Many thanks Ed2. Have a good day.

6.) 12 Apr 2024 11:24:28
Sick of international breaks and family coming saying this and that, if he wants to go elsewhere go, the fee should be top dollar for him approaching his prime, very replaceable.

7.) 12 Apr 2024 12:21:07
If he is sold I would be disappointed, but it's not a disaster. He's a very good player no doubt but we have plenty of cover on the left side and there's no guarantee that that sort of player will be what the next manager wants. He is definitely one of those players I think Amorim would consider expendable based on the system he plays.

8.) 12 Apr 2024 14:43:12
Rafinha is nowhere near good enough to replace salah.

9.) 12 Apr 2024 13:01:52
Talk about throw the baby out with the bath!
Ok we got well beat last night i think it was down to pre match talk of fan club with the no flags or banners the atmosphere was very poor and it transfered on to the pitch and the players .
So let's get rid of Diaz he was the best thing since sliced bread the other week wow come on reds.

The player to cash in on is MO. He is coming to the end of time at LFC . Gomez is just not good enough his passing is so poor and last night he struggled to get back to defend sorry but not of the quality expected of LFC Timikas not good enough either and klopp made a mistake in the side he picked sorry but is a fact . Keller looked like he had concushion after he saved with his head . Maybe that is the kick up the arse that the manager his coaches and the players needed because we have been very sloppy the first fifteen mins of every game so far this season and it has not been delt with why is that? is it because it is near the time when all the coaches and manager go i don't know do you?

10.) 12 Apr 2024 18:30:17
I like Diaz, he wouldn’t be on my list to sell but if he wants to go, he goes.

11.) 12 Apr 2024 23:37:28
The new manger will form his own view but personally I don’t think he will/ can accept Diaz or Nunez lack of clinical finishing. Diaz is a tricky winger with not enough end product, loses the ball too much and does not provide enoug assists. Nunez numbers are good and I like him but as has been evident in recent games his misses have meant we don't capitalise on our game control and then let teams back in to punish us. If I was the new manager I’d be saying we need better up top.

12.) 13 Apr 2024 05:10:19
I'd move on all of our front 3 and start over if I'm being brutally honest ?.

13.) 13 Apr 2024 11:03:44
I'd sell Salah and Diaz, but keep Nunez and play him on the left. Utilise his physical attributes as a winger.

14.) 13 Apr 2024 11:31:18
Klopt agree reference Diaz as he is more a traditional wide player that Amorim doesn't tend to play in his system. Nunez though I think is tailor made for Amorims system. He plays a traditional number 9 up top and Nunez is the only one we have. Alongside getting width back in the team with wingbacks, The two supporting attacking players in Amorims system is where I am most excited because we have so many players that could thrive in those positions - Gakpo, Jota, Elliot, Jones, Szob, maybe even Carvalho coming back into the fold.

15.) 13 Apr 2024 14:16:57
Albey how comes you didn’t take your own flag into the game or improve the atmosphere with some chants?

16.) 14 Apr 2024 03:21:23
@OP, do you think it is possible that employees elsewhere have also asked for a pay rise from time to time? I’m pretty sure Luchio wouldn’t be the first to ask.



15 Dec 2023 07:41:18
Contract extension talks supposedly ongoing with Ibrahima Konaté.


1.) 15 Dec 2023 07:52:32
Worried or happy ArAy?

2.) 15 Dec 2023 08:03:43
I'm happy, Harry. I like Konaté more than most people here do. Yes, there are injury issues but he gives us a physicality that we sorely need in a league like the EPL. I hope the injury issues will subside over time. When fully fit he is easily the next best after VVD, in my book.

3.) 15 Dec 2023 08:50:31
I certainly think it's a position we could upgrade. Is it higher on the priority list than some other positions? Don't think so.

Not entirely convinced by Konate but he is fairy young as CB's goes.

I will say with the current tactics, he does get exposed a lot more and that could be why I'm not entirely cemented.

4.) 15 Dec 2023 09:54:15
Fair enough mate, I too like him. On his day he is brutally good. But those days are far and few now. Which is a worry.

5.) 15 Dec 2023 10:07:57
V good player konate imo, how many games he misses threw injury is the problem with him. can't seem to string half a dozen games together.

6.) 15 Dec 2023 13:50:46
Think he’s great, as said once he overcomes the little knocks gets a run he will be a match for anyone.

7.) 15 Dec 2023 14:07:32
Digger10 - I think the reason he tends to get injured is because he is a very physical player who never pulls out of a tackle or 50/ 50 challenge.

A lot of other players do.

Some of our other players never seem to put a decent challenge in.

I like him in the team.

8.) 15 Dec 2023 15:13:10
Konate hasn't been perfect this season but how many CBS can command such a large section of the pitch when his RB is allowed wonder wherever he fancies, the RW is an inside forward. Oh and our holding MF played as a 10 for most of his career.

9.) 15 Dec 2023 15:40:43
Matip has mainly been Klopp’s first choice this season. Obviously now he’s out Konate can cement his place.

10.) 15 Dec 2023 19:06:22
He definitely fully committed to the challenge kbl, no doubt there. Its not the impact injuries I see as the problem it's the muscle 1s. Any player we've had who has had them over a period of 2 years r so has never grown out of them. Hopefully konate does as I think he could go on to be really top drawer, but I have my doubts.

11.) 15 Dec 2023 19:18:23
Am not a fan think h makes far too many mistakes and is injured far too much.
Not sure how long he has left but I would give him a new contract just to protect our investment but definitely think he needs upgrading. I don’t think he would be happy as a squad player but that is where he is for me.
Fully fit and in top form I would have Gomez ahead of him every day of the week.

12.) 15 Dec 2023 21:54:36
He’s Orite. Not great. Take Virgil out of that defence and it gets found out very quickly especially with no proper Defensive Midfielder.

Everyone is correct it’s the injuries that are Ibou’s problem. He gets injured that often, that he’s not actually improving each season like he should. He’s the exact same quality as when we signed him. Still in the “potential” bracket.

13.) 16 Dec 2023 01:03:37
Konate is an old fashioned proper centre back. He is not one of these kind of a CB, kind of a full back which is what we need in his position. VVD is the central man all day long and Konate should be his cover. Gomez can do the right sided role and we need a new left footed CB to do the left sided role.

14.) 16 Dec 2023 08:11:10
I think you are all nuts. Konate is 24 and playing in what has been a very unstable team defensively for the past 18 months. Our defense has never been secure since the VVD injury against Everton. The pressure he is put under playing the RCB with Trent pushing up, and our cover not being great (Hendo, Fab, Thiago) has left him exposed to a lot.
There are some rough areas of his game, but he is 24. He is strong, a monster in the air and not afraid to play out.

I genuinely think he could be seen as one of the best CBs in the land in another 3 years.

Each to their own opinion though, I may well be wrong.

15.) 16 Dec 2023 08:21:56
Happy that the club want to keep him, by and large they get these things right.



10 Mar 2023 14:14:21
No idea if true or not, but just read a report that Kelleher has asked for a move. Pity, but it's an understandable situtation and we all expected it.


1.) 10 Mar 2023 14:33:44
U can’t blame him but trying to dislodge one of the best in the world is tough! He needs game time
I’d loan him out to a top club and see how he goes!
He’s a great keeper!

2.) 10 Mar 2023 14:44:16
Yeah, can't really blame the lad. He is too good to be a number 2. If he continues to stay at Liverpool his prospects will stagnate. Especially when you consider his international rival, Bazunu, is playing every week, consistently.

Would prefer a loan move, but permanent makes more sense for all parties. Alisson will be our keeper for a while yet, as goalkeepers have more longevity than any other position on the pitch. Hopefully get a decent amount too, just hope we don't price him out with ridiculous figures.

3.) 10 Mar 2023 15:03:18
Bazunu makes about a zillion mistakes a game atm. If Kelleher was playing every week he'd displace him straight away.

4.) 10 Mar 2023 15:27:44
Jay, let's be precise in our nomenclature. Becker is THE best in the World. ?.

5.) 10 Mar 2023 15:47:02
Best in the World? always makes a rick in big games Real Madrid second goal and 7-0 last sunday made another potential howler at the Anfield Road End second half?

Would never get in any Liverpool all time great team, Elisha Scott, Ray Clemence and Bruce Grobbelaar miles in front of him.

Had a selfie took in the Grapes Public House in Woolton with one of the above xmas charity appeal, and asked him Kelleher or Backer? (back of the queue! ) he replied he would be happy with either.

6.) 10 Mar 2023 15:39:47
CK has to be worth 30/ 40m. I wonder what else there is available in sales/ wages towards the revamp.

{Ed002's Note - No chance.}

7.) 10 Mar 2023 15:42:34
sell him!
let Pitaluga and Harvey Davies fight for no2 spot.

8.) 10 Mar 2023 16:52:12
£30/ £40 million for a player that’s really only played a handful of games so to speak. Come on! If I was Klopp I would be convincing him to stay and get him a 2 year loan and see how he progresses. If he cuts it, bring him back to replace Becker and if he doesn’t then just move him on. That way he won’t spend the next 2 seasons sitting on the bench. A win win in my eyes.

On a side note ED002. What kind of loan fee would a player like Kelleher fetch for 2 seasons? I would guess it wouldn’t be that much ?.

{Ed002's Note - Not much of a fee and it would likely mean dropping down a division. He wants to leave for game time and someone will pay £10M perhaps.}

9.) 10 Mar 2023 17:00:13
We need the money for a rebuild so if the kid wants a starting spot somewhere I wouldn’t stand in his way.

My choice would be a 2 year loan to a team like Celtic ?‍♂️.

10.) 10 Mar 2023 17:12:54
Has to be worth more than what we got for Danny Ward.

11.) 10 Mar 2023 17:20:42
OP, where was the report he’s asked for a transfer?

12.) 10 Mar 2023 17:31:24
He has talent, he should leave sooner rather than later unlike Ward. Good luck to him.

13.) 10 Mar 2023 17:50:53
WDW its an article in Sports Bible that has been aggregated on Newsnow.

14.) 10 Mar 2023 18:04:32
10M eh? So that means LFC will hold a hard line on price at 16M. ;-)

15.) 10 Mar 2023 18:24:56
And they'd be right, that's the LEAST they should be looking for mftonjes.

16.) 10 Mar 2023 19:14:43
Thanks Zed.

I think he needs to move on - he is a very good keeper but needs to be playing regularly to get even better.

17.) 10 Mar 2023 19:44:58
Anyone who has seen him play will know he is better than kepa what chelski pay for him ?.

{Ed025's Note - hes got great potential ace, if he progresses he could be the new pickford mate..

18.) 10 Mar 2023 20:32:43
More like Dropford, ed025.

{Ed025's Note - Englands number 1 famous, not everyones cup of tea i admit mate but still one of the best in the league..

19.) 10 Mar 2023 22:29:19
He has looked good and done us proud when he has come in and played. But week in week out will be a different story, well, more pressure good luck to the lad.

20.) 11 Mar 2023 01:13:57
Sell Kelleher with an option to buy back in 3 years. That way we bank some money and can bring him back if he's flying.

{Ed002's Note - Not going to happen.}

21.) 11 Mar 2023 02:54:42
In an ideal world Bg Ted will decide he needs a goalie down at the Bridge - we’ll get £ 100m for him, at least.

22.) 11 Mar 2023 04:56:47
Buy back option is a must, Kelleher could fetch £15-20m easy, he is a better keeper than Kepa, Lloris, Pickford, Ramsdale, without a doubt!
Ed002, you must remember the lad from the Carabao final last year huh!

{Ed002's Note - That is not how Liverpool work - and only two English sides regularly use them.}

23.) 12 Mar 2023 00:52:41
Grobelaar was not better than Alisson. Not a chance.
I couldn't say that Clemence was.

24.) 12 Mar 2023 21:17:20
Six league championships, three fa cups, three league cups and one european cup says differently, he also only cost £250,000 alisson was circa 67 million, that is four times 67 million which equals 268, so was circa 268 times cheaper than alisson, so value for money he was a better keeper.

He also holds the record for least goals scored in the old first division for any LFC goalie in history which played 42 games in a season, 16 goals only conceded, Alisson least goals conceded while at LFC 22 which is also four less games than brucie had to play in a season, as you only play 38 games in a premier season, how many more facts do you require.



20 Jun 2022 13:08:14
Just read a rumour, and so hope it turns out true. The club is working on a, Keita plus cash for Nicolo Barella, swap deal. These are so rare, so I have my doubts; wishful thinking I guess.

I don't think Wijnaldum was as bad as many think, but I wouldn't take him back on loan. Rather give a deserving youngster a shot than go out and loan a player for a season, if we're not buying.


1.) 20 Jun 2022 15:12:29
That would be quite some coup if true, ArAy, and I for one would be delighted!

Like you, though, I'm not holding my breath!

Out of interest, where did you see/ hear/ read this?

2.) 20 Jun 2022 16:15:21
No chance sadly.

3.) 20 Jun 2022 17:30:50
Zed, I look at newsnow. co. uk, a news amalgamator, on the liverpool page very often. It was mentioned on the HITC website who are quoting Italian website CMW. No idea who, and how authentic, their news is.



10 Jun 2022 17:25:10
Second surge of rumours regarding Nunez. From pretty much the same sources as the first surge. Plus Fabrizio Romano saying formal offer received by Benfica from LFC.

I'm not putting the party hat on until a medical is satisfactorily passed.


1.) 10 Jun 2022 19:20:34
Go on ArAy get that hat on mate. WE WILL WIN.

2.) 10 Jun 2022 19:53:51
Win what?

3.) 10 Jun 2022 20:44:19
The transfer window is a competition. Didn't you know?

4.) 11 Jun 2022 08:41:38
It is?
What does the winner get? Apart from a hole in their pocket?




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10 Apr 2024 14:01:15
A gem of a beauty from Paul Ince. "Mohammed Salah is not a world-class player but yes, he is a world class goalscorer".

What does one expect from the forwards, in the first place, if it's not to score? Do I want tricks and dribbling and speed in the forwards? Yes, but only if it serves goalscoring. I'll still take the slow guy who can't dribble or do tricks, as long as he scores.

The nonsense some of these supposedly "learned guys" serve up, is beyond belief. And this guy really sounds like he is really up deep inside his own backside. ?.


1.) 10 Apr 2024 14:11:43
Think Ince is just jumping on the Mo Salah bandwagon, yes Mo is slowing down but he is getting the goal or assist.

2.) 10 Apr 2024 14:58:33
I might get pelters for this or even worst case get called a coward again ?.

But I kind of agree with Ince that Salah isn’t a world class player anymore but he does have attributes and moments that could be defined as world class and is still an excellent footballer.

For me the word world class gets thrown about far too much and the world class player and world class goal scorer is perfectly summed up with Haaland.

Personally I believe there’s only been a handful of world class all round players over time but lots of players who have attributes that are world class.

Longevity plays a huge part in it and Salah has 100% nailed this hence why I say he is no longer world class as it’s very easy to argue that he is no longer the same player in 23/ 24 that he was in 17/ 21 when he was world class.

It’s only my opinion mind and would love to hear others thoughts.

Great topic of discussion this Aray.

3.) 10 Apr 2024 15:04:18
Yes but why go into hyperbole and use extreme terms when all he is doing is showing his utterly confused brain and confusing the mind of readers? What he said does not sound the least bit rational if you know football, and he is supposed to know football too well. It's like saying Alisson is not a shot stopper but still a great goalkeeper.

4.) 10 Apr 2024 15:19:04
Jk23, I guess a lot of it rests on the definition of world-class, and I know that each one of us probably has his own. That's fine. So much of football and everything that goes with it, is subjective and open to debate.

Yes, Salah's powers are dimishing. But for me he is still up there. How many of us think that he can't produce the 20 goals per season this year? Or next year or the year after? And then, there you have it. We stumble back into the definition of "world -class" again.

What I didn't like about Ince's quote was the use of absolutes that seem contradictory to me, and then also being cute about it. From a guy like him, you would expect incisive meaninful stuff, not this drivel that has no meaning.

5.) 10 Apr 2024 15:29:48
Ince is a pillock.

6.) 10 Apr 2024 15:31:20
Salah might be having a dip in form at the moment (even though he is still scoring almost every match) but I think history with Salah tells us to avoid jumping to conclusions that this means he's in decline or no longer top level. In form Salah gets into most teams - including national sides - in the world. That, in my opinion, makes him world class.

I do think we have to acknowledge that the stunning solo goals, slalom dribbles into the box and brilliant curled finishes into the far corner appear to be mainly in the past now but Salah has adapted and evolved quite brilliantly such that the goals and assists continue. I think it's most notable how he has replaced those unstoppable dribbles from the left flank in towards goal with those brilliant balls in behind, especially that one he plays from quite deep with the outside of his boot.

His evolution reminds me a little bit of what Giggs did and is the reason why I think Salah would be good for us for at least another couple of years.

All of that said, his all round contribution in the last three matches hasn't been enough from a player of his seniority and ability at this stage of the season. I wouldn't object to resting him tomorrow evening and give Elliott a deserved start. Salah will be back though.

As for Ince; surely one of the thickest ex-players to be afforded air time on tv and radio.

7.) 10 Apr 2024 15:58:56
I listened to it on the radio live as he made the comments in a conversation with Andy Goldstein and honestly, Goldstein was just coaxing him into a soundbite that would make a good clickbait headline.

Having heard the comments in context, I don't see the need to have such a reactionary view on what Ince said. He followed this line up by saying Salah is therefore world class. The statement about him not being a world class footballer was purely with regard to his all around game. Something I regularly see and hear Liverpool fans saying online and down the pub. Ince did also go on to say he hopes Liverpool win the league so he wasn't trying to be anti-Liverpool. He just got led down a path where whatever he said was going to make a headline for Talksport that would generate a reaction. If he'd called him a complete forward with no weaknesses you'd have rival fans all over Ince instead.

Ince was actually very good on the show by the way and he's the first ex-United pundit I've heard who gave a balanced view on Mainoo, pointing out how he was a huge part of why Man United were so weak in midfield against us, despite his wonder goal. Most other people don't want to acknowledge that Mainoo is all over the place positionally, doesn't track runners and gives the ball away sloppily all over the pitch. Instead they focus purely on his neat footwork, 5 yard passes and the 2 wonder goals he's scored. It was refreshing to hear an ex-United pundit not going over the top with hyperbole about a kid who has thus far looked out of his depth in multiple games but has albeit showed in flashes that he could be special.

8.) 10 Apr 2024 16:12:00
Are you alright MKS? Having a bad day, is it?

It may seem "reactionary" to you, but it's my opinion. As always you have the choice of reading and responding or not reading and not responding. But spare me the judgemental stuff, alright?

I know you for well over a decade on these pages, we read each other's posts, but I don't ever recall reading such overbearing judgemental stuff from you. There are many others on here who thrive on stifling opinions and putting others down. I didn't expect it from you.

If you can't reciprocate the respect you are given, then better not to respond or interact. Have a nice day.

9.) 10 Apr 2024 16:16:42
I am donning my hard hat for this one. I wouldn't say Salah has ever been world class (based on what I determine to be world class) . Hear me out. In my opinion, world class means regularly being a step above the best players in the world (which he is) but also regularly delivering on the biggest stages in football and winning the big games with individual brilliance. Think Messi, the Ronaldos et al.
For me, Salah has never performed in those big, one off games, the finals either for club or country. In fact, I'd say his performances in finals is actually quite lacking and that, for me, is why he isn't world class.

10.) 10 Apr 2024 16:47:56
Ey up. Just to have my turn stirring up the pot. If you start your post with, “gem of a beauty, ” then criticise someone else’s wording without context, you’re liable to get a retort of some sort.

FWIW, I thought the same as MKS before I even read his post and without the context he provided.

Both statements can be true at the same time. I wouldn't call Jota world class by any stretch, but he time and time again proves himself to be a world class goal scorer. Plenty of defenders are world class tacklers, but are terrible at positioning. Great shot stoppers flapping at crosses etc.

To be world class you need more than one string to your bow - unless you’re Robin Hood.

That said, Salah would still be welcome in 99.9% of teams in the world. That makes him world class in my book.

11.) 10 Apr 2024 17:02:06
Aray 100% agree and football is subjective and some people will rate players that others don’t which is the beauty of the game.

In me saying I don’t believe Salah is still a world class player it doesn’t take away what I do actually think of him and I love watching him play for us week in week out.

If it was up to me he’d be signing a new contract and staying with us for a few more years. I know fans are concerned with his wages.

But I’ve very much come to terms with the fact that my tickets, Liverpool shirts, merchandise and sky tv bill etc will be exactly the same price next season whether he is here or not so why should I care what the club are going to pay him, or any other player at that.

12.) 10 Apr 2024 17:05:34
This the guy who couldn't watch a penalty shootout, let alone take one and he calls himself the guv’nor?
Mans a tool.

13.) 10 Apr 2024 17:22:57
Apparently Jota for two seasons used to play as if he had never seen a football before as he was SO poor on the ball.

Which makes you question is Jurgen Klopp world class because he played him over 80 times. In which he was that poor he managed to hit that round white thing in between the posts 34 times.

14.) 10 Apr 2024 17:27:58
Insisted on being called Guv’nor.
Still hate that he played for us.

15.) 10 Apr 2024 17:32:32
Agree to be fair, salah does little other than score goals and even that’s stoped.

{Ed025's Note - "does little more than score goals" Mr Bean?.....hardest job in football mate and will take some replacing imo..

16.) 10 Apr 2024 17:55:14
Apart from scoring, assisting and helping out defensively what has Salah ever done for us.

17.) 10 Apr 2024 18:20:05
I think the best way to look at it and I think most will agree I think salahs general all round play will be replaced very easily his goals won’t .

Goals win games

Therefore salah will be missed when he leaves not for helping out Bradley or hugging the touchline or cutting in on his left but putting the ball in the net which is the aim of the game .

True great and will be missed enormously when he leaves . But we will still carry on and score goals we always do.

18.) 10 Apr 2024 18:46:51
Paul Mince
Thick as.

19.) 10 Apr 2024 18:50:52
Only 3 players have more assist than Salah in the league yet he does little other than score goals? Absolute clown.

20.) 10 Apr 2024 18:55:40
He's right. He's not world class anymore. For a long time he was, but not anymore. Just my opinion though.

21.) 10 Apr 2024 19:21:39
I'd argue that Salah was only world class that one season. After that he's been decent to really good only.

22.) 10 Apr 2024 20:59:20
Paul Ince renowned football scout.

Except he’s wrong.

Salah is/ was absolutely world class.

I could write more but I can’t believe there’s any doubt.

23.) 10 Apr 2024 21:06:52
Paul is right. He was all around world class but not anymore, just goal scoring. It's why City are better without Haaland and Utd were better without Ronaldo etc.
Doesn't make him less a legend, it's just realistic. Gerrard died down, so did Torres, everyone does. I would just say many who used to criticise Jota for only 'scoring' (when he actually does far more and always has) seem to the same as those defending Salah. See what's in front of you. Salahs numbers are great because he world class ability to do something mad difficult that others couldn't in the moment, but then spend 95% of the game wasting chances, giving the ball away, having horrible touches etc. His time has come I'm afraid. Doesn't detract from what's he's done. Fact is as the eds say footballers are transient employees and they have shelf lives. Nothing personal.

24.) 10 Apr 2024 21:53:55
Love it, blokes feeling himself back in after nearly 3 months out and he hasn't got it anymore. Could still win the golden boot and score 30 plus goals from the wing while playing in the worlds best league but yeh. he's not a world class player! We've been here before with Salah after a couple of poor performances, i can see him going gial crazy in these last 12 games.

25.) 10 Apr 2024 22:31:04
@JK23 totally agree with your original post. Some words and phrases lose their original meaning over time and ‘legend’ and ‘world class’ are examples. There’s also the acronym ‘Goat’ which is used by adolescents who tend to pick a player that they have seen play (albeit on the telly) who might even genuinely be world class and call them the goat.

I think with Mo you could make a serious case that he was the best player in his position in the world for at least a couple of seasons but I’m not sure that makes him world class to be honest but it is fair to say that he had (still has? ) some skills that are probably at world class level.

I am not a fan of Ince but I understand what he is trying to say and I think he might be right.

26.) 10 Apr 2024 22:49:09
Jude, Mo Salah is still class but he won't win the Golden Boot or get 30 plus goals, , I hopethat he does but he seems to be near the end at the top of the best league in the world, its it's sad but it happens to every footballer.

27.) 11 Apr 2024 02:12:01
Salah is world class, it's kind of gobsmacking to read people thinking otherwise. Even now, which team wouldn't have him? he's still scoring goals and providing assists and is a game changer, big time! We will miss him when he's gone, that is for certain.

28.) 11 Apr 2024 07:30:57
I always defined 'world class' as - If there was a squad of players that were made up of the best players from around the world, would they be included? That's my definition anyway.

Salah gets into that squad, particularly based on how many goals he would score, hence in my opinion, world class.

29.) 11 Apr 2024 08:02:21
All players are replaceable, hard cold fact but it continuley happens, just differing styles but always a new hero found or that we already have, we did great without him and i think a spell on the side might benefit the team again, if we get big money IMO we have no choice but to sell, absolute legend on the top shelf but the club moves on, will always be this way.

30.) 11 Apr 2024 09:03:38
Ar Ay, sorry if I didn't make it clear enough mate but I was intending to criticise Goldstein/ Talksport, not you. My point was that the comments when in context don't deserve a reactionary response, but Talksport and other media outlets haven't publicised them in context. They've done it as clickbait and soundbites. They goaded him into making comments they could monetise. I was only really looking to add the context to the discussion before Ince got lynched for something he didn't actually say or at the very least intend to say as it's come across in the wider media.

If I hadn't been listening to the show when he made the comments I would've definitely had the same reaction as you based off of what has been reported out, because that is what they wanted. They're very good at it which is why they make so much money from football fans. They know how emotional we all are about our teams and favourite players.

Sorry if you felt judged though mate, wasn't my intention at all, hence why I never name dropped you and focused my original reply more on defending Ince and calling out Goldstein/ Talksport.

31.) 11 Apr 2024 13:07:02
Wouldnt be so sure Kop that. on 23 now and has another dozen games left, mo be breaking the 30 again i think.

32.) 11 Apr 2024 17:14:58
Paul Ince said what he said in order to drive interest and attention towards him the same way Danny Mills spouted nonsense about Klopp not being a top PL manager cos he only won one title. Clearly, it worked.

33.) 11 Apr 2024 17:22:10
That's not actually true though is it Salah. We have been fine without him over Afcon and the last few weeks. Whilst subjective our win percentage over the entire time Salah has been with the club is significantly higher when he hasn't been playing. Mental I know but that's fact. The team has performed markedly less effectively when Virgil has been out or injured in comparison hence why I keep saying he is our most important player and needs replacing as a priority far higher than Salah. Again there's lots of variables and I'm not saying I don't like him whatever, or even that I don't think he should be in the team. I'm just saying I genuinely think his time as an elite level player is coming to an end.

34.) 11 Apr 2024 18:19:51
Ah yes. Paul Ince.

Still not forgiven Roy Evans for wasting £4 million quid on him.

Ged soon got the measure of him and booted him out to Middlesbrough for a cut price £1 million, I think just to make a point that he was not a valued top player like Ince thought himself as.

Apparently, Ince was a bad influence on the squad getting the spice boys into trouble.

He still talks codswallop, guess he has to earn a living.

35.) 11 Apr 2024 19:18:16
Hey Jude, if Salah does get his 30 plus goals, I will come on here and say that you were right, I hope that he does too, but it will be a close one .



31 Mar 2024 18:29:25
A 0-0 draw between ManCity and Arsenal; the best possible outcome for us. Back in the driver's seat and it's up to the boys. Can we win every single game from here to the end? Yes, very much possible.

The fact that ManCity could not score over 90 minutes with 75% possession on their home ground, lays credence to the opinion that they are clearly not as good as in previous years.


1.) 31 Mar 2024 18:48:14
De bryne looks like a big lump now. Hasn't the legs to get back anymore. Still has the quality on the ball but it isn't coming off as much anymore and his lack of legs tracking back, the legends on his road out of city.

2.) 31 Mar 2024 18:48:28
I would say it gives credence (if needed) that Arsenal have progressed and no longer wilt under pressure

They are the only 1 of the top 3 to bag wins against the other two.

3.) 31 Mar 2024 19:03:09
Paisley, I agree with you. Arsenal did not wilt under pressure nor make any major mistakes, and it feels like they were playing for a draw, and got their objective.

4.) 31 Mar 2024 19:24:31
If we win at United i think it will be hard to stop us. Mentally Sundays game will be very important.

5.) 31 Mar 2024 19:28:50
Future is in their own hands. Win the games left, win the league!

6.) 31 Mar 2024 19:54:36
De Bruyne is not the great player people seem to think he is. Instead of counting his assists they should count the amount of times he loses possession. It’s a lot.

He is always trying the Hollywood pass and misses 19 times out of 20 but that 1 time it works he’s plastered all over the media as the second coming.

Can’t defend, won’t track back and loses possession way too much. Apparently that constitutes a world class player these days.

{Ed025's Note - hes a very good player by the way BP, not everyone can be perfect all the time mate but you seem to hate everyone who does not wear a liverpool shirt, its sad really..

7.) 31 Mar 2024 20:00:50
I personally thought it was a bit of both today.

Arsenal did defend well but City got in some promising positions and we just really poor in the final third.

{Ed025's Note - i just thought it was a crap game Wassa..

8.) 31 Mar 2024 20:28:12
Ed025, it felt like both teams were scared to lose, more than anything else. No big risks, no spectacular finishing. No standout player or players. A lot of games start off like chess, but this was chess for the full 90 minutes. One team hogging the ball for 90 minutes, and the other setting up a double decker bus daring them to score.

{Ed025's Note - it was abysmal to watch ArAy, supposedly 2 of the top 3 teams in the league and they put on a borefest like that, give me Liverpool to watch any day mate..

9.) 31 Mar 2024 20:22:05
BP de bruyne is one of the best players in the league. He would walk into our team. Imagine him feeding salah and nunez! As for the game, they both cancelled each other out. I'd much rather watch us vs city then that, awful game to watch.

{Ed025's Note - spot on WYred mate..

10.) 31 Mar 2024 20:33:34
Couldn’t be arsed to watch the City Arsenal game, rather watch anti climb paint dry, that said it was a fantastic results.

11.) 31 Mar 2024 20:34:48
It was Ed25 - look like they both settled for not losing. You are right about KDB too - great player would have loved to see him play for us - but his hamstrings are shot and Pep knows it.

{Ed025's Note - even with shot hamstrings he is still a top top player WDW, but my money is still on Liverpool to win the title mate, as it has been from the start..

12.) 31 Mar 2024 21:41:24
For me, this was typical Pep over analyzing and trying to "surprise" his opponent.

City had no width until Jack and Doku came on.

City tried everything down the middle in the 1st half, with Silva as a winger. such ignorant tactics from Pep.

Arteta used the dark arts to his advantage. its like he somehow knew Taylor wasn't going to book anyone. FOR ANYTHING.

Jesus, Gabriel, Odegaard, Rice could have each seen multiple yellow cards and Taylor decided to let things go. It's not like he didn't blow for the fouls, he just didn't want to brandish any cards.

This was the most boring game in the past decade, and if that's what 2 of the top 3 teams in England have to show, then from an entertainment perspective, I'd rather watch paint dry

Finally, as for Haaland. What a lump of lard that guy is.
He was bullied, at home, by the snake known as Gabriel.
In a game where the ref was literally giving the players Carte Blanche, he rolled over and had his belly tickled by that slithering piece of sh1t. Oh how happy I am that we have Nunez.

13.) 31 Mar 2024 22:54:22
ArAy1969, I cannot believe that both teams essentially "lost" today. For us, we got the points we deserved based on chances created, IMO. On to Sheffield Utd.

14.) 01 Apr 2024 00:03:51
An excellent result or should I saw an excellent two results! what a day, I was hoping they'd draw but had a feeling City would snatch it, thankfully they didn't.

Regarding de bruyne, he's an excellent player nearing the end of his time there now but wow what a player he has been. It's one of them for me, although I love Liverpool I enjoy the league and the sport so players like that are good to have part of the league, it'll be a shame when he does go which I reckon will be next transfer window. If they can bag a load of cash from the saudi's they'd be daft not to.

15.) 01 Apr 2024 01:48:53
I love De Bruyne but I agree with WDW - his hamstrings have gone and it’s been becoming more evident ever since he returned from injury in January. De Bruyne has never been just devastating quality (qualitatively, no midfielder in the world has been near him since Gerrard), he relies on top athleticism to generate space to use his quality. I’ve seen hardly any of that since he came back. It could be huge in the title race as City have far less can-crushing ability when De Bruyne is out of form.

16.) 01 Apr 2024 01:36:44
ED025, exactly my thoughts - it was a complete borefest. From Arsenal's view I can understand, as that is how they approached the home game and at times against ourselves. I think they were content with a point. City needed width and to move the ball far quicker.
Although 'quality' of football has improved over the years, the title showdowns lack the passion and excitement of 90s and 00s.

KDB is one if the best attacking midfielders ever in Premier league. 1 in 20? You really haven't watched him enough if anyone believes he plays Hollywood passes. top quality.

{Ed025's Note - but has the quality really improved over the years Ben? im not so sure mate, i find this tippy-tapppy football very boring to watch myself, passing the ball a thousand times mainly backwards and sideways to create a chance does not really excite me personally, i might be a dinosaur of course but give me blood and guts high press attacking play any day..

17.) 01 Apr 2024 10:26:45
Same here ed25, I must admit I hate to see it the passing backwards and sideways all of the time. England, it's all they do which is why I won't watch them, it's a terrible way to play football. Not for me. Id rather watch grass grow, it'd be much more entertaining (somehow) :)

Hope you are well mate, always good to see you on here.

{Ed025's Note - hi Salah, yeah i have just been saying on the Arsenal page that i thought it was the worst game in Premiership history mate, and im a bloody Evertonian so thats saying something.. :)



28 Feb 2024 22:20:40
Joe Gomez played DM tonight. That's the 5th position he has played so far this year, after rightback, leftback, left CB and right CB. Talk about versatility.


1.) 28 Feb 2024 22:41:17
Paul Warhurst vibes ArAy.

2.) 28 Feb 2024 23:07:09
The new Stevie Nicol!

3.) 28 Feb 2024 23:57:13
Joe’s far more intelligent than Stevie Nicol.

4.) 29 Feb 2024 00:32:28
The new Millie.

5.) 29 Feb 2024 02:35:01
He's my player of the season so far, only 26, still keeping fit despite the amount of game time he's having, going on his history it's pretty special what we're seeing from him this season. A real talent he is, I'm absolutely delighted for him. All I want from him is to see him score because he's clearly trying hard, sooner we see that the better.

6.) 29 Feb 2024 09:43:17
He is invaluable to the squad and I don't want to take anything away from him but the game changed instantly when we brought somebody on who can play in the 6 role. When Mac came on in the 6 role immediately started playing like we have all season and Soton suddenly couldn't get out of their own half.

Like I say - not a criticism of Gomez, he did well in the circumstances but it just shows the importance of a good 6.

7.) 29 Feb 2024 10:07:11
Didn’t Klopp name check Gomez post-match and say he saved us last night? Or is that Sky AI?

No, he may not be a typical number 6 but he made a big contribution to another clean sheet.

8.) 29 Feb 2024 10:27:23
Clearly he wasn't comfortable and he was having a hard time last night. Professional level football is no joke, and you can't pick up the nuances of the skills required for each position, in a few trainings and a match or two. But overall, he fulfilled what was required for an injury ravaged team.

9.) 29 Feb 2024 12:11:08
ArAy1969, I thought he did okay at DM even tho I agree, I wouldn't want him playing DM vs a better team. Not sure Klopp would want that either, if he can help it.



17 Feb 2024 19:29:07
Thank you Chelsea. For going over to the Emptyhad and taking 2 points off of them. And for going over to win.


1.) 17 Feb 2024 19:37:10
Well said Aray.
But let's hope Chelsea lose next weekend ?

They are looking pretty good as well!

2.) 17 Feb 2024 19:38:13
and Sterling with the goal!

3.) 17 Feb 2024 19:39:34
Never in my puff did I imagine I'd be genuinely grateful to Raheem Sterling.
Shame they couldn't hold on. So much for City winning every remaining game this season.
I wonder if the pressure of our result earlier had an effect there?

4.) 17 Feb 2024 19:51:41
Can somebody please check on Harry and see if he’s coping okay with City dropping two points.

5.) 17 Feb 2024 19:55:32
Can you imagine the meltdown if we’d drawn at home to this Chelsea side? We have a poster claiming we’re not good enough because we conceded a goal today in a 4-1 away win!

We have others who still go on about us drawing away at Chelsea on the opening day! Surely it means that if you draw at home to Chelsea then you are not good enough and can’t be considered genuine title challengers?

If only football were that easy eh?

6.) 17 Feb 2024 19:55:35
I also can't believe that Mr Webb or Masters weren't on the bat phone to the VAR at the end to gift City their penalty!

The brown envelope might be a little lighter come the end of the season!

7.) 17 Feb 2024 20:50:02
Poch's subs almost cost them the game. He gave City the freedom of the park in the second half.
That lad Nkunku is an absolute waste of space, jogging around the pitch like his side was 5-0 up.
Still, puts a bit more pressure on Guardiola.

8.) 17 Feb 2024 22:18:54
Oh and how brainless is Jackson.

9.) 18 Feb 2024 00:01:33
@polecat. I said the exact same thing, awful subs with negative impact. As clueless as jackson looks, his willingness and speed combined with city made them a threat and shudve resulted in more goals. 4 1v1s i counted! Nkunku was a disgrace, Chelsea were a man down at that point.

10.) 18 Feb 2024 00:59:22
im just hanging onto the last jurgen season coatails and enjoying every last moment we have with the legend that is Jurgen Norbert Klopp. I have heard, reead and seen about shankly, as a supporter as a very young man lived through the excellecne of Paisley, Fagan and Dalgliesh (1st time), and suffered from there on until FSG brought in the best manager in the world. We have not had him as long as I would want but by god it has been a ride. Now to see where his final season takes us and pray that whomever replaces him has half the nouse and feel for the game he does. YNWA.

11.) 18 Feb 2024 16:23:37
Spot on, BP. So is City and Arsenal crap now for drawing vs Chelsea now for these posters? Yeah, I'll wait.



31 Dec 2023 18:47:53
Past midnight here, so here's wishing all the Eds, posters and readers on here a Happy New Year. Peace, prosperity and good health to everyone. And may we see many titles and trophies this new year. ?.


1.) 31 Dec 2023 19:47:08
Happy New Year Aray and to the Ed's and Posters as well.

May 2024 bring joy and love to us all!


2.) 31 Dec 2023 20:59:45
Happy new year to Abdy! May 2024 rain down trophies in the mighty pool it’s not new year yet but this hogmany so far has been a blast…. Watching the highlights of utds 2023 while drinking some nice cold pints is a great way to spend my hogmany.

3.) 01 Jan 2024 01:40:11
Happy new year folks- may be the booze talking but I think this year can be ours! We’ve not played as well
As we can yet (I do appreciate others haven’t either ) but we are top and in a commanding position. We’ll have a good run in the Europa, are the best team left in the Coca-Cola (or whatever it’s called - not to disrespect it, I just can’t remember it) and an easy draw in the fa cup ( ?) . Hopefully we can go on a good run now extend the lead a little and then when Salah and Endoare back we push on again. ynwa.

{Ed001's Note - Carabao mate. My friend keeps carabaos, they are big things!}




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08 Apr 2024 09:08:17
There's been mention of doubling his salary to 360k per week. It did raise my eyebrows a bit, but I guess that's market rate at present. Mohammed Salah level. And Casemiro and Varane level too (do those Mancs really know what they're doing, sigh? ) .




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26 Feb 2024 14:56:05
Stuie-boy, you hit the nail on the head. Tolerance is what is required here, and most of the time there is very little of it.




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03 Feb 2024 15:11:55
For me, Nunez is an absolutely phenomenal player. Man with an iron will, because no matter how many times he hits the woodwork or misses, he just gets back at it and never let's his head down. That means a lot in this game; self-confidence and self belief. He could have easily walked off with a hat trick after that game. I remember when Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling went through the same exact thing that one season where they found the woodwork more often than not, that one particular season. Next season it was fine and never to be mentioned again. The same will happen with Nunez; no doubts about it.




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15 Dec 2023 08:03:43
I'm happy, Harry. I like Konaté more than most people here do. Yes, there are injury issues but he gives us a physicality that we sorely need in a league like the EPL. I hope the injury issues will subside over time. When fully fit he is easily the next best after VVD, in my book.




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27 Nov 2023 13:34:33
Lee, your brilliant insight and "case" is everflowing (and continuing from the live chat, I must add) . Your view of football recruitment is as simplistic and lop-sided as can be, when it is actually a complex issue with loads of risk. Why not mention the young talents who did not make it into the world class talent pool you've mentioned? What are the numbers? The successes versus the young kids who didn't make it into "Bellingham territory"? Is it 1 for 1 (one success for one failing to live up to expectations or is it 1 to 10 or 15 or 20?) . If you did that then you'd realize that your case is actually no case at all.





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12 Apr 2024 07:46:46
Jota is back. We have a better shot than previously. Klopp needs to get his selection on point and firing the moment the whistle blows.




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11 Apr 2024 18:46:45
Of course he's world-class.




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10 Apr 2024 16:12:00
Are you alright MKS? Having a bad day, is it?

It may seem "reactionary" to you, but it's my opinion. As always you have the choice of reading and responding or not reading and not responding. But spare me the judgemental stuff, alright?

I know you for well over a decade on these pages, we read each other's posts, but I don't ever recall reading such overbearing judgemental stuff from you. There are many others on here who thrive on stifling opinions and putting others down. I didn't expect it from you.

If you can't reciprocate the respect you are given, then better not to respond or interact. Have a nice day.




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10 Apr 2024 15:19:04
Jk23, I guess a lot of it rests on the definition of world-class, and I know that each one of us probably has his own. That's fine. So much of football and everything that goes with it, is subjective and open to debate.

Yes, Salah's powers are dimishing. But for me he is still up there. How many of us think that he can't produce the 20 goals per season this year? Or next year or the year after? And then, there you have it. We stumble back into the definition of "world -class" again.

What I didn't like about Ince's quote was the use of absolutes that seem contradictory to me, and then also being cute about it. From a guy like him, you would expect incisive meaninful stuff, not this drivel that has no meaning.




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10 Apr 2024 15:04:18
Yes but why go into hyperbole and use extreme terms when all he is doing is showing his utterly confused brain and confusing the mind of readers? What he said does not sound the least bit rational if you know football, and he is supposed to know football too well. It's like saying Alisson is not a shot stopper but still a great goalkeeper.




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