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29 Mar 2021 16:00:41
If the rumours about the club having tabled a bid for Wilfried Singo are true, then it's not a bad move at all. He's tall (190cms), fast enough, can dribble, can play with the ball, and get around people. I don't see him as a backup for TAA at all. Klopp has a "thing" for such players. A winger / wingback, who can backup the right back position. Take over from Shaqiri (Klopp loves offensive players who can defend) . And even backup the right sided CB position (if they can coach him into it) . And it doesn't yet spell the end for Neco Williams, either. More and more we are seeing why a full multi skilled squad of 25 is needed to face all the possibilities. A squad of 15 "favorites" just doesn't cut it anymore.

Wilfried Singo (RWB/RM) Available for €30M which was about three times what Crystal Palace were looking to pay. Another who would be off to AFCON as well.}


1.) 29 Mar 2021 17:43:45
We need him he is a beast and versatile, right up klopps street .



08 Dec 2020 06:40:37
In non-related news (to BLM, knees and moving globes 😁) Mario Ballotelli has signed for second division Italian side Monza. Nothing to say except pity such a waste.


1.) 08 Dec 2020 11:53:52
Do you think so ArAy? I genuinely never saw anything special in him and never understood the hype.

2.) 08 Dec 2020 12:24:10
Perhaps not as tragic as you think. Berlusconi has bough the them, invested huge money and they're expected to work their way up quickly. They've attracted the support and attention of many high profile Italian football legends.

3.) 08 Dec 2020 15:08:10
All fur coat and no knickers that one.
Any talent he had was wasted.

4.) 08 Dec 2020 16:07:57
Another Pogba.

5.) 08 Dec 2020 19:27:18
I said when he left that I reckoned he'd be in China by now. Looks like he can't even command that.

If he keeps going the way he's going, we might see him at Galway Utd at some point in the future.

6.) 08 Dec 2020 22:14:53
Fur coat and no knickers😂Me poor ma used to say that lord rest her.

7.) 09 Dec 2020 04:08:16
Monza is where Ferrari are made.

8.) 09 Dec 2020 19:21:53
Ferraris are made in Modena, 150 miles away, actually.

9.) 11 Dec 2020 12:31:36
Ballotelli I think was very advanced physically at such a young age and achieved a lot at a young age but probably was never going to improve that much, he obviously with a better mindset would have achieved more but I don’t think he was ever going to be a superstar.



14 May 2018 19:17:09
When it rains it pours! Just read that Ox not only injured his acl but the medial ligament and hamstring too. So we may not see him on the field in 2018 again. Recovery is going to take time and effort. Really empathize for the guy. Was beginning to come onto his own, and carve his own place in the team. 😒 🤞.


1.) 14 May 2018 20:08:53
Big shame for the lad, was coming into his own as well - hopefully he can make a full recovery.

2.) 14 May 2018 20:12:19
If that's true, everything else will be healed by the time his ACL has healed. It isn't like only 1 thing heals at a time.

3.) 14 May 2018 20:24:10
Don't count on seeing Ox until December 2018.

4.) 14 May 2018 20:53:15
He will be like a new signing for the second part of the season and all being well he will come back big and strong.

He has really impressed both on and off the pitch.

Got a feeling the Ox is going to pick up plenty of trophies with us in the next few seasons.

Let’s get number 6 to give him a boost.

5.) 14 May 2018 21:23:47
A bad blow and an area I get increasingly worried about. With Coutinho gone and Can likely to leave this summer we have a shortage in midfield, we have Keita arriving which eases some of the worry but now Chamberlain isn’t due back until December.

As it is we have.

Henderson (some injury issues) .
Can (leaving in summer) .
Chamberlain (out until December) .
Lallana (likely to leave) .


It seems Ceballos is highly likely which if happens gives us.


Plus Coutinho still needs replacing which hopefully mean Fekir or Pulisic arrives. Given Chamberlain is out until at least December and the possibility of any of the front three being injured or out of form, should we look to sign Ceballos, Pulisic and Fekir?

Would give us great depth and quality in midfield and attack.

6.) 14 May 2018 21:26:36
Chambo actually sourced 2 tickets for a father and son he met near the end of the season.

class act on and off the pitch!

hope he stays positive through his injury and can get through this!

7.) 14 May 2018 22:44:10
I kept thinking we got lucky with being him injury free compared to his arsenal days and now he's crocked. At least he's got the summer to recover and hopefully he can make it back before the busy christmas period.

8.) 14 May 2018 22:57:46
Hopefully he doesn't lose his pace and explosiveness. Really liked him this season, and offers a good option in the middle or wide. We Definetely need cover out wide, pace and the option to play as a forward or attacking midfielder too. Fekir ticks that box for me.

9.) 14 May 2018 22:42:25
Jonesred I understand your concerns and I’ve just been having a near identical conversation with a mate as he had the same worries. But I personally think that if we sign our targets (Cellabos and AM) along with Keita, then we will have sufficient players to cope with Ox’s injury.

If we use this seasons formation as an example and look at the squad hypothetically with those signings. Hendo, Keita and Fekir start with gigi, Milner and Cellabos in reserve is plenty, even if let’s say we lose hendo and Fekir to injury, we still would have a midfield of Cellabos, Keita and gig/ Milner, and then gives players like Trent and Woodburn the opportunity to play in midfield. Especially if we sign a rightback as the eds have mentioned.

I’d say signing another midfielder on top of all that could end up being more disruptive than productive.

10.) 15 May 2018 01:10:48
Don’t forget about TTA.

11.) 15 May 2018 05:57:23
Terrible shame. Ox had become an automatic starter in the midfield. An explosive player. He was outstanding against City in the CL.

This is clearly a very serious injury to his knee. It is entirely possible he will come back as good as before. Also entirely possible he will never be the same player.

At this point, the club has to plan for life without him. "Back in December2018", "nine months" etc are all just guesses.

So we very much need to bring in another midfielder now, in addition to Keita.

12.) 16 May 2018 15:27:32
No way Lallana leaves this summer - I expect him to make an impact when he gets subbed in in the 65th minute of the CL Final.

That being said, I only think we'll bring in 1 or 2 additional midfielders.

I personally get excited about the potential of a Milner, Keita, Ox midfield, and I don't think it's the end of the world if Lallana starts the season in Ox's spot

Bottom line, I'm not too worried about our midfield depth, even though it looks rough for the CL Final.

13.) 17 May 2018 15:58:50
He is only 24 yo. I remember Mane was injured and got back in 2 months.




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19 Apr 2021 13:34:14
It's a chess game and this is only the first public move. Long way to go still, with this particular game, the other proposals from other parties, the reactions from Fifa and Uefa, the reactions from non-included clubs, etc., etc. Ed002 has alluded to all this (in his own way) for well over two years now.

I'm very curious about one thing. Why the public announcement now? The timing seems off, given the current environment with empty stadiums, tight finances and all the rest. Were they seriously planning on starting in August, so they've hurriedly surged ahead? This has "massive PR disaster and implosion" written all over it. Something that changes the foundations of a sport to such an extent, in an entire continent (Europe), was never going to happen over a mere couple of months. My turn to ask "what're you guys smoking up there at FSG headquarters" in Boston? 🤨.


1.) 19 Apr 2021 13:45:12
Would it be something to do with Champions league reforms that are due to be announced? Strike first type thing?

2.) 19 Apr 2021 13:47:44
A few things to consider (I am making all of this up. )
1) There are the Euros coming up this year and may be too late to postpone / change the rules about players participating. Maybe this announcement is supposed to rush UEFA / FIFA into some kind of decision to allow those players to participate in the Euros?
2) While we say FSG out etc. the truth is that some of the other largest clubs in European football would have signed up with or without Liverpool. I know it is the easier path to take and all, but if there is a super league with all the European powers, would you rather be in it or out of it?

{Ed002's Note - (1) No. (2) FSG want control and money.}

3.) 19 Apr 2021 13:58:21
Think it's coz of pendemic and 2024 Champions league proposals which have force them to publicly rebuff it tho.

4.) 19 Apr 2021 13:59:30
Follow on question for Ed002, if I may. I know very well you hate the "gut" and "instinct" type of questions and you usually refuse to answer, but I thought this is a big enough issue that you may choose to answer. My question is that will one of these "breakaway league" schemes (this one or others on the table) come through and be adopted, or do you foresee FIFA and UEFA bending and coming up with some kind of compromise? I guess what I'm asking is that do you think that these proposed massive changes to European football (as we know it) will come about in some shape or form? It would be so incredulous (from a supporter's point of view) if this is all a "shakedown" to get better financial terms, and the teams involved would have a lot to answer to their supporters.

{Ed002's Note - There needs to be some level of compromise reached to avoid stepping outside of the affiliation with FIFA and UEFA. I have always made it clear something will happen at some point.}

5.) 19 Apr 2021 16:32:12
This is the thing Ed. You’ve almost consistently told us this day was coming, so we shouldn’t be at all shocked or surprised that it has come round.



09 Apr 2021 04:47:14
Looking at the future of leadership in the midfield, post the Henderson and Fabinho eras, I don't think you can go wrong bringing in a player like Ryan Gravenberch. Mature beyond his 18 years, tall (6'3"), technically gifted (they usually are from the Ajax academy) and the ideal box to box player. Can fire a 30-40 yard screamer into the net too, once in a while. Very similar to Pogba in most respects. And can provide the perfect link between the first team and the academy players who will make it.

Downside (for me) is his agent, "Mr. Superagent". Mino Raiola usually has his best clients ending up in Real, Barca, the two Manchester teams or Milan by the time peak career has approached. I would prefer having a player or two assuming the "club anchor" role, give us 8-10 years or so, as Henderson has done so well.


{Ed0666's Note - Gravenberch has all the talent in the world but I’d still take Bissouma over him. Already on the cusp of greatness and premiership ready.

1.) 09 Apr 2021 05:04:40
Curtis jones please. What does the lad need to do!

2.) 09 Apr 2021 06:13:16
Tall 🤦‍♂️ How tall was Xavi, Pirlo or Matthaus? How tall is Kante, Krooos or De Jong? Stop obsessing over the physical attributes of footballers and start looking at what they can do. For the record I think Bissouma would be an excellent signing.

3.) 09 Apr 2021 07:56:38
Lebron James has shares in the club and rumour is he’s tall. I think he’s about 5 foot 9 in heels. Perhaps he might have a game for us 😜.

4.) 09 Apr 2021 08:08:35
Oh, so your formula is short and stout and everyone should follow it because you cleverly pulled out some short people's names out of nowhere? And please, I don't obsess about nothing, little boy. Just a post expressing an opinion. And if you want yours respected, learn to respect other peoples opinions first.

{Ed077's Note - FYI not only does RG have similarities to Pogba in playing style, he also shares agents with PP.}

5.) 09 Apr 2021 08:25:18
Oh you funny JK23. In a very sad way. Pardon my inability to laugh. I tried very hard.

6.) 09 Apr 2021 08:30:03
Yes, I know Ed077, that's why I made the comparison about Gravenberch eventually being moved on if he joined us. But apparently some people on here prefer short and stout. That's the real criteria of footballing ability. 😂.

7.) 09 Apr 2021 09:00:49
"here's my handle, here's my spout"

Jones is part of the future of our midfield for me, but I'd like to see who comes with him. Gravenberch looks like a promising prospect on paper. Bissouma I've seen play and also looks good.

Bissounam would be very good cover for Fabs IMO, and Fabs has got the potential to be bossing our midfield for at least 5 more years, whereas Hendo only has maybe 2-3 at the top level (guessing, albeit he may surprise us like Milner has) .

I noted that Neves is potentially up for sale - there's another player I would love in our midfield.

8.) 09 Apr 2021 09:18:06
ArAy1969, had me in stitches there with your response to JK23's post. He's really got jokes for days, haven't you heard?

Back on topic, Bissouma over RG all day for me. He is very versatile in CM and a very talented football who is about to blow up with the right coaching and environment. Ed02 said that we have contacted his representatives (ED02, you are free to correct me) so hopefully something can be done.

{Ed002's Note - Yes, a while ago.}

9.) 09 Apr 2021 09:45:52
Aray it’s a banter site. I actually like your shout of Gravenberch and think he would be a top signing. Obviously someone got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning. Good luck finding that dummy you spat out.

10.) 09 Apr 2021 10:06:18
Oli I have as many jokes as you have user names 👍.

11.) 09 Apr 2021 10:16:52
JK23, sadly I always get out of the bed from the same side, so I take what I get. Yes, of course it's a banter site. So there's no problem being on the receiving end, since we are so proficient in giving, all the time, right?

12.) 09 Apr 2021 10:18:13
JK23, that's an old one, man. Don't quit your day job, bro.

13.) 09 Apr 2021 10:29:05
Cheers for that Red meister 🤦🏻‍♂️.

14.) 09 Apr 2021 05:20:41
Yes, agreed Ed0666, Bissouma is the real deal too. But I wasn't looking at exactly the present but down the line in the future (Bissouma is already 25) once Hendo and Fab were moving on. Can you imagine if we already had a player like either Bissouma or Gravenberch in place of Wijnaldum, now, though? Yes, Thiago is there but he is nowhere as mobile as these two, nor exactly the true box to box player we need. Empasis being on "box to box' and not "side to side". 😁.

{Ed0666's Note - imagine having Gravenberch and Bissouma that would solve a few headaches. It won’t happen but we can dream.



16 Mar 2021 17:15:26
Michael Owen is a tool who is absolutely in love with himself. Last week it was Mane did not fall over in the penalty box because he didn't want Salah to score the penalty and add to his tally of goals.

Yesterday it happened again but because Mane is an honest player and doesn't cheat.

And next week Mane will probably be the most obvious serial diver in the league.

Do these tv pundits ever smell what they're cooking?


1.) 16 Mar 2021 18:08:20
They can't smell what they are cooking, Ra. The overpowering smell in their vicinity is the BS they are spouting, which tends to drown out all other smells.

2.) 16 Mar 2021 18:23:23
I never watch the pundits. I turn the tv on a couple of minutes before kick off so I can see the team sheet, mute it during the break and make myself a brew or grab a beer, then switch it off as soon as the final whistle blows.
Try it, you might like it.
I’ve never heard a pundit, player or manager ever say anything interesting or worthwhile so I have no idea why anyone listens to any of it. I mean they just say the same thing after every single game I’ve no idea what anyone gets off it.

3.) 16 Mar 2021 17:43:12
I tnk they must have brain tumor in prefrontal Cortex 😂😂😂.

4.) 16 Mar 2021 19:33:09
I know there's nothing in it, but could the old 'goal bonus' in a player's contract actually be counter-productive for the team? Mane is the example- he feels the keeper's hand on his foot, if he goes down then Mo has a penalty and a chance for £10,000, but if Mane stays on his feet and manages to turn it in, he gets the £10,000. What would you do?

{Ed001's Note - that's why a lot of teams stopped giving them, as they found players would shoot rather than pass to a teammate in a better position and cost the team. It tends to be a win bonus now.}

5.) 16 Mar 2021 20:21:29
Last 2 seasons were kind to lfc players then.

6.) 16 Mar 2021 20:31:05

7.) 16 Mar 2021 20:39:37
If players on the sort of money that Salah and Mane are so concerned with an extra £10k that they're thinking about it as they burst into the penalty area, I'd have to worry about what they're doing with the rest of their pay packet.

8.) 16 Mar 2021 20:50:57
What was it that ed077 called Ow*n? Personality vacuum? Nailed it there. I’m surprised he doesn’t advertise tena pants for men the amount of times he messes himself in public. He’s as bad as Murphy and Jeans.

9.) 17 Mar 2021 18:27:44
People are more inclined to believe the rubbish the likes of Owen and Carra spout cos they played for us hence, won’t b considered biased. None of which is true. Propaganda sometimes, is not so much what is being said but WHO is saying it.

{Ed077's Note - why are we talking about "that guy" again?



08 Feb 2021 02:56:25
I'm frustrated as hell, but instead of showing my undying support (as I usually do) and my analytical prowess (as most people here), here are some random thoughts at 5:30am in the morning:

Keita really p*sses me off. 5 Million a year for salary for the 3rd year running and he's shown next to nothing, except a severe addiction for the physio room. Klopp stuck his neck out for him, and Keita has let him down in spades. Ship the guy out of town.

Now we got a second Charlie who earns 10 million a year and insists on kicking no look passes straight to the opposition in the final third where his skills are needed the most (Thiago) . Either tapping it sideways (while strolling around on the field) or that "magical" no look lob into the penalty area that has not worked once since he joined. Yes, we wear Red too, but we're not Bayern. Should we have brought in Thomas Muller too?

Whatever Edwards gained in selling the likes of Ibe, Smith, Stewart, Sakho, Coutinho and others has been severely tarnished by his inability to move players like Keita, Karius, Ojo, Wilson, Awoyini, and Origi, on. Economic crisis and c. v. time? ManC and Chelsea seem to do just fine, buying and selling.

Life is basically just about decisions. Klopp and his team got it severely wrong thinking they were okay in central defence with VVD, Gomez, Matip (Mr. Glass) and Fabinho. I defended this decision, but it p*sses me off now because it's Klopp's job to get it right. They all earn millions to get decisions right, d*mmit. Last night ManC played with Aymeric Laporte, Fernandinho and Eric Garcia on the bench. We played with our two best midfielders in defense, two brand new defenders that Klopp wants to massage gently onto the field and a fifth player (Nat Phillips) who should leave asap unless he wants his career ruined. So we bought Jota for 40 Million plus. Sound decision. At what tactical cost? We backed up Robertson, why wasn't a 4th CB brought in? If Jota was so crucial what was Minamino all about, then?

People like Roy Keane and Jamie Redknapp really p*ss me off with the rubbish they are allowed to spout on TV for mass consumption. Einstein Keane thinks we're bad champions. What was ManC last year? And Einstein Redknapp announces Klopp may go back to Germany and manage Bayern. Oh really? And what is the alternative? Are we expecting him to manage Zimbabwe post Liverpool? Dunces, both of them, clinging to football to pay the bills.

I always say Klopp has Pep's number. Last night they exchanged places. They both take risks in playing players out of their positions regularly, but Pep is showing who's the better manager tactically and man-managing, at present. Empty stands, infected players and tight schedules have happened for the entire league. Yet, ManC are on an unbeaten streak and we look like a tired and weary bunch. Some players are on their way out, but at least earn your paycheck while you're still here d*ammit. Player management or, lack of.

I always wondered why teams freeze, sometimes their best player, when they refuse to sign an extension. Now I fully understand it. It was a season defining game and Gini Wijnaldum was played in the #6 slot ahead of Fabinho and Henderson. Really? The man has one eye out the door, and offers nothing constructive on the field anymore. Holds the ball too long, runs into dead alleys and just dithers constantly with the ball. How long before analytics and number crunching brings that out to Klopp's brain trust? Kabak should have been on the field, and Henderson in midfield.

Yes we lost due to 2-3 GK errors. It happens. But that's not what the record book will remember. It will show 1-4 as if they wiped the floor with our b*tts; without De Bruyne and Aguero; and Jesus making a late appearance. Those who watched the game will remember it as a chess game that was pretty much even until the errors happened, and then we were unable to mount any response due to a feeble weak, midfield.

Okay, some of this may be unwarranted. It is what it is.


1.) 08 Feb 2021 08:12:35
Yeah, a lot of it is unwarranted. Get some sleep, bro. You sound tired.



05 Feb 2021 12:56:31
18 games still to go. And any favorable combination of draws or losses for 3 games by ManC and ManU, brings us back to within striking distance. We just have to ensure that we've had our season blip and don't have any slips anymore. Everything is still within the realm of the possible. So what's all the gloom and doom about? It has not been a normal season by any standard, so that strengthens my belief that there is no such thing as "ManC look unbeatable". We looked unbeatable against Spurs and West Ham. I'll agree that Klopp needs to get each player to have a head check as to whether they want to win it this year or not. Certain days the "mentality giants" have taken the day off, and that can't be allowed for the rest of the season. It is almost miraculous that we are not in the second half of the table, given that we usually played with anywhere from 4 to 6 starters missing.


1.) 05 Feb 2021 13:55:34
Be in the mix come April. I agree mate. I know the odds are against us but isn't it all about faith and support.

Its like some on here have downed tools, still the champs league to play for aswell. Loads of twists yet I reckon.

Come on you redmen!

2.) 05 Feb 2021 13:55:58
Of course anything is still possible mate. (I think it’s 16 games btw) but the players have to start putting in more effort. Yes we have injuries, but we should lick our wounds and show why we’re champions. At this moment, we are not trying hard enough. 0 shots on target at Anfield against Brighton Hove Albion has nothing to do with Injuries, Refs, VAR, C.V. or Henderson in defence. It’s a lack of effort. Zero Shots. Even if the kids played I would expect 1 shot.

3.) 05 Feb 2021 16:19:58
80 points win the league we are 40 away. Give or take 2 losses can be accommodated as we got to balance champions league also.
Its tough yes, but know this there is only one team on the planet that can pull it off and they are managed by Klopp.

4.) 05 Feb 2021 16:31:59
Anything is possible even tho, I think for right now, top 4 is the goal. I will give it the last 10 games of the season and if we are still within striking distance of the top then, Let The Final Sprint Begin!

5.) 05 Feb 2021 17:04:12
Thing is that City just don’t look like dropping points, they literally had three weeks off between 4th January and 26th January so are a lot fresher than we are, they’ve also got experience of going on an unbeaten run and when they can swot aside teams without Aguero and KDB in their team, there is plenty of reason for pessimism. It will literally take a miracle of biblical proportions to get a win at the weekend as they don’t concede many and do punish mistakes.

6.) 05 Feb 2021 17:59:55
I successfully got some positivity going on the page, for a change, and then you had to say hello, 6 Times, LOL.

7.) 06 Feb 2021 03:44:57
Biblical proportions like coming back from 3-0 against barcelona, milan, dortmund?

8.) 06 Feb 2021 10:51:39
Nice one, Akrubbish. If majority of fans at those venues had the same attitude 6Times has now, none of those miracles happen even tho, I can fully understand his pessimism right now.




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13 Apr 2021 10:05:51
And Salah is short. That's why he's so good.




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05 Apr 2021 00:48:07
I too don't think any of the front 3 will be sold this summer. The exception being Salah; if his head is turned and he decides to behave like Suarez and Coutinho. And even then, in this CV financial environment I don't see anybody wanting to put a 100 to 120 Million down (or close to it) on any of them; I don't see Edwards being ready to sell for less than that either. So it's a stalemate either way, and meanwhile there are contracts to be fulfilled until 2023. I'd be willing to bet that 2 of our front 3 will be here when their contracts are up and will leave on free Bosmans.




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03 Apr 2021 13:51:13
You can if you want Southern Red, she hasn't aged that well. 😜.




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02 Apr 2021 20:51:51
Thurman? Are you guys talking about Thuram?


{Ed002's Note - Yes.}



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23 Mar 2021 00:22:12
I find it hard to believe that Klopp saw Matip as being ahead of Gomez, before their injuries.





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19 Apr 2021 18:30:47
My oh my. Interesting times to look out for ahead.




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19 Apr 2021 13:59:30
Follow on question for Ed002, if I may. I know very well you hate the "gut" and "instinct" type of questions and you usually refuse to answer, but I thought this is a big enough issue that you may choose to answer. My question is that will one of these "breakaway league" schemes (this one or others on the table) come through and be adopted, or do you foresee FIFA and UEFA bending and coming up with some kind of compromise? I guess what I'm asking is that do you think that these proposed massive changes to European football (as we know it) will come about in some shape or form? It would be so incredulous (from a supporter's point of view) if this is all a "shakedown" to get better financial terms, and the teams involved would have a lot to answer to their supporters.


{Ed002's Note - There needs to be some level of compromise reached to avoid stepping outside of the affiliation with FIFA and UEFA. I have always made it clear something will happen at some point.}



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19 Apr 2021 14:02:28
Value is a function of current and projected revenue streams. If the clubs' revenues are not projected to increase and therefore increase their value, then they have no business going along with such proposals or even being club owners.




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18 Apr 2021 08:12:38
Agreed Juicer. That 70's team at Ajax was really something. The Dutch national team too.




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17 Apr 2021 18:11:16
Okay fine. You guys win. I'll switch allegiance to Pulisic. Players who scare other players are exciting to watch. 😂.