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14 May 2018 19:17:09
When it rains it pours! Just read that Ox not only injured his acl but the medial ligament and hamstring too. So we may not see him on the field in 2018 again. Recovery is going to take time and effort. Really empathize for the guy. Was beginning to come onto his own, and carve his own place in the team. 😒 🤞.


1.) 14 May 2018 20:08:53
Big shame for the lad, was coming into his own as well - hopefully he can make a full recovery.

2.) 14 May 2018 20:12:19
If that's true, everything else will be healed by the time his ACL has healed. It isn't like only 1 thing heals at a time.

3.) 14 May 2018 20:24:10
Don't count on seeing Ox until December 2018.

4.) 14 May 2018 20:53:15
He will be like a new signing for the second part of the season and all being well he will come back big and strong.

He has really impressed both on and off the pitch.

Got a feeling the Ox is going to pick up plenty of trophies with us in the next few seasons.

Let’s get number 6 to give him a boost.

5.) 14 May 2018 21:23:47
A bad blow and an area I get increasingly worried about. With Coutinho gone and Can likely to leave this summer we have a shortage in midfield, we have Keita arriving which eases some of the worry but now Chamberlain isn’t due back until December.

As it is we have.

Henderson (some injury issues) .
Can (leaving in summer) .
Chamberlain (out until December) .
Lallana (likely to leave) .


It seems Ceballos is highly likely which if happens gives us.


Plus Coutinho still needs replacing which hopefully mean Fekir or Pulisic arrives. Given Chamberlain is out until at least December and the possibility of any of the front three being injured or out of form, should we look to sign Ceballos, Pulisic and Fekir?

Would give us great depth and quality in midfield and attack.

6.) 14 May 2018 21:26:36
Chambo actually sourced 2 tickets for a father and son he met near the end of the season.

class act on and off the pitch!

hope he stays positive through his injury and can get through this!

7.) 14 May 2018 22:44:10
I kept thinking we got lucky with being him injury free compared to his arsenal days and now he's crocked. At least he's got the summer to recover and hopefully he can make it back before the busy christmas period.

8.) 14 May 2018 22:57:46
Hopefully he doesn't lose his pace and explosiveness. Really liked him this season, and offers a good option in the middle or wide. We Definetely need cover out wide, pace and the option to play as a forward or attacking midfielder too. Fekir ticks that box for me.

9.) 14 May 2018 22:42:25
Jonesred I understand your concerns and I’ve just been having a near identical conversation with a mate as he had the same worries. But I personally think that if we sign our targets (Cellabos and AM) along with Keita, then we will have sufficient players to cope with Ox’s injury.

If we use this seasons formation as an example and look at the squad hypothetically with those signings. Hendo, Keita and Fekir start with gigi, Milner and Cellabos in reserve is plenty, even if let’s say we lose hendo and Fekir to injury, we still would have a midfield of Cellabos, Keita and gig/ Milner, and then gives players like Trent and Woodburn the opportunity to play in midfield. Especially if we sign a rightback as the eds have mentioned.

I’d say signing another midfielder on top of all that could end up being more disruptive than productive.

10.) 15 May 2018 01:10:48
Don’t forget about TTA.

11.) 15 May 2018 05:57:23
Terrible shame. Ox had become an automatic starter in the midfield. An explosive player. He was outstanding against City in the CL.

This is clearly a very serious injury to his knee. It is entirely possible he will come back as good as before. Also entirely possible he will never be the same player.

At this point, the club has to plan for life without him. "Back in December2018", "nine months" etc are all just guesses.

So we very much need to bring in another midfielder now, in addition to Keita.

12.) 16 May 2018 15:27:32
No way Lallana leaves this summer - I expect him to make an impact when he gets subbed in in the 65th minute of the CL Final.

That being said, I only think we'll bring in 1 or 2 additional midfielders.

I personally get excited about the potential of a Milner, Keita, Ox midfield, and I don't think it's the end of the world if Lallana starts the season in Ox's spot

Bottom line, I'm not too worried about our midfield depth, even though it looks rough for the CL Final.

13.) 17 May 2018 15:58:50
He is only 24 yo. I remember Mane was injured and got back in 2 months.




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20 Jan 2020 12:36:35
Am reading that we are now called "the Unbearables", in certain quarters. Would have preferred "the Unbeatables" (so far) but Unbearables is so much more annoying, irritating and infuriating. Love it.


1.) 20 Jan 2020 13:42:40
Embrace it is what i say :)

2.) 20 Jan 2020 15:56:24
Totally embrace it. It's not just the prem either, 2 cl finals in a row, one's won. Super cup and cwc since then. I didn't think it would happen again, 3 times in a row but I reckon we will make cl final again. Over 2 legs I don't see us getting beaten. Let's hope city make the final too so we can all turn round on the kop.

3.) 20 Jan 2020 19:26:19
OP, I welcome their mockery, man. The Unbearables! . Love the sound of that.

4.) 20 Jan 2020 20:53:16
There is a banner on the Kop on match days that simply says “The Unbearables”. What started as a slur by opposition supporters has been adopted as a badge of honour by Liverpool supporters. “The Invincible Unbearables” would be even better.

5.) 21 Jan 2020 00:55:45
I read a good quote on the line at the world wide interweb:

Saying 'Liverpool fans will be unbearable if they win the league' is like poking a Tiger with a stick for 30 years, then being upset when it finally claws your face off’.

Very apt.

{Ed025's Note - that is very good IDOG, but i would say more of a pussy cat over the past 30 years myself mate.. :)



04 Jan 2020 13:12:11
"No one wants to grow up to be a full-back or a Gary Neville" (Trent Alexander-Arnold) .

That's funniest thing I have read in a very long time, ROFL. Carragher needs to take some lessons in merciless put-downs from TAA, I think. 😉.


1.) 04 Jan 2020 13:59:28
Trent didn't make that quote up himself, it was actually carragher.

2.) 04 Jan 2020 14:19:59
That was a Carragher quote that Trent has used.

3.) 04 Jan 2020 15:19:10
Carragher has even followed it up today with a “except Phil” quote.

4.) 04 Jan 2020 18:48:56
Brilliant quote from Carra and I thought TAA nailed it. To be fair tho, Gary Neville admitted on Sky that TAA is a better RB than he was so at least, he is honest to some extent.

5.) 04 Jan 2020 20:01:48
To be fair, bias aside, Gary had at bucketloads of heart, work ethic and leadership. He was an extremely effective player who made the absolute most of what he had.

Young players should look to emulate those qualities.

Probably take abuse for this one.

6.) 04 Jan 2020 21:08:52
Neville was able to play, tbf. Read the game very well. Rob Jones would've been better than him had he stayed injury free though.

If Trent had come through in the 90s when everyone basically played 442 or 4411 he'd have been a right midfielder rather than a right back.

7.) 04 Jan 2020 21:41:36
Just when I thought all of us had become battle hardened diehard LFC supporters, all of you guys become softies and send out "peace" roses to Gary Neville, of all people. You've obviously forgotten all the things he has said about us in the past.

Okay. So TAA should continue taking lessons from Carragher. Correction accepted. 👍.

8.) 04 Jan 2020 21:47:20
Davey, I think he was a cogg in that system, I agree on his qualities you mention but he had some serious players around him. He did his job competently.
Anyway good on TAA for rejuvenating a great banter quote. ⚽️⚽️✌.

9.) 05 Jan 2020 22:36:22
Hate utd of course and hated neville as much as any of them. But he was a great rb.

I wonder where he stands in a list of premier league rbs? I wonder where trent would be?

And something red is spot on, taa would have been a rm/ rw back in the 442 days. Maybe even cm.

I know you don't change what ain't broke, I love trent at rwb but I still wonder what a brilliant cm he would make. Especially as he gets stronger physically and more confident.



04 Jan 2020 06:20:05
Good morning Ed001, and everyone. The best of Matip is better than the best of Gomez? Agree or disagree? It's a toss-up for me, but I finally went with Matip, just barely. Matip's height, and heading, over Gomez's speed. And I do like Matip's threaded passing into the front (even though it doesn't work out always) . (I know not many will agree 🤷‍♂️) .


{Ed001's Note - disagree, Gomez is good in the air too and has as good a range of passing. It is very, very close though.}

1.) 04 Jan 2020 08:43:07
Good debate question ArAy. Matip was playing unbelievably well up until his injury and so was Joe last season up until his injury. Joe has been brilliant the last few games and long may that continue. I think the key factor for both is they need a run of games to hit top gear, but Matip will have to bide his time like Joe did when he comes back as there is no way Joe will be dropping out of the starting 11 anytime soon with the way he is performing. Best thing for me though is what a great dilemma this gives Klopp.

2.) 04 Jan 2020 08:47:07
Matip is also 6 years older and more experienced than Joe. At 22, you’d have to argue we haven’t even seen close to the best of Joe which is a scary thought. They’re so close in ability but so far apart in age, it’s Gomez all day for me.

{Ed025's Note - both average for me shaq, it all revolves around VVD who is pivotal to the whole defensive set up, you could put a 6ft piece of timber in place of either of them and they would still be difficult to breach mate.. :)

3.) 04 Jan 2020 09:22:50
It's a real difficult one that, ra. I think I'd choose Gomez purely because he's a lot younger and he's already at a similar level, he has so much time to improve as well, we could possibly have 2 of the best CB's in the world with VVD and Gomez imo.

Matip though, fair play, when he first came it just wasn't working for him but he's stepped right up. Quality player.

4.) 04 Jan 2020 10:21:24
It's useless but I wonder how good Joe would be now if he hadn't had all those long term injuries? I think the clean sheets we are getting now Joe is in the team may be a coincidence but for me I think he should play when fit. Him and Virgil could form a great partnership for years to come. Hoever impresses me and I hope he will be ready to be in the mix in a few seasons when big virg is getting on.

5.) 04 Jan 2020 09:21:11
Ed25, isn't that the point of a CB Partnership? For one to compliment the other and vice-versa? Sure, VVD is amazing and can do tonne of stuff BUT so was to a lesser degree, John Terry who brought the best out of a pretty poor Gary Cahill. Even the same John Terry played his best football next to the brilliant Ricardo Carvalho who went on to play very well at Madrid and brought the best out of Sergio Ramos for a while there.

IMO, A CB is only as good as the system he plays in and the partner he has so for me, Gomez and Matip (and Lovren, btw) are very good CB's with very good ability already cos if they weren't, VVD would not be able to compliment them and bring their ability out of them. VVD can't bring out of you, what you don't have. That's how that works, mate.

{Ed025's Note - im not sure thats actually correct RM, before VVD appeared on the scene liverpools defence was basically a shambles, lovren imo is poor and lots of people on here wanted rid of matip because he was so slow and his decision making was less than acceptable, the improvement has been down to 2 men...klopp and VVD, you now have the best defence in the country mate and thats down to virgil and in spite of who plays alongside him...just my view of course..

6.) 04 Jan 2020 09:23:33
You crack me there Ed025😂😂😂.

7.) 04 Jan 2020 10:26:32
DVD is class Ed025,but to take away how well both Matip and Gomez have played over the last year by saying it's all down to VVD is just a lazy, hugely idiotic opinion. No offence though pal😉.

{Ed025's Note - DVD could break all the records JH :), look at the facts mate, lovren and matip performed like laurel and hardy before virgil came, he has turned them into better than average players imo..

8.) 04 Jan 2020 12:14:55
DVD did indeed break all records (LP's), Ed025, LOL. (Genius, by the way) .

If Lovren and Matip performed like Laurel and Hardy, I'd be curious to read your descriptions of the Everton defense. (Kindly make them them as "colorful" as you do for the LFC players and supporters) .

{Ed025's Note - ours are worse than yours ArAy, words cannon express how bad keane is mate..

9.) 04 Jan 2020 12:35:39
And Gomez? was a kid when Vvd joined. surely he can't be put into the category of "crap before Virgil". I understand your point to a degree but when Gomez makes one of his perfectly timed challenges or outpaced a Premier league forward easily should he jog over to Virgil and say "thanks for that mate"? .

{Ed025's Note - yes he should jadon, what you have to remember is that gomez is to VVD what andrew ridgely was to george michael mate.. :)

10.) 04 Jan 2020 13:34:25
Gomez and VVD are pur best center half partner ship think start of last season clean sheets in the league where with them and then again last 5 league matches

Gomez didn't always have good games for lfc but in my opinion that's because he isn't a right full and should not be played there

William's Hoever or sign someone good enough to cover right full and leave the clean sheet centre half pairing alone.

11.) 04 Jan 2020 12:56:51
Sordid musical tastes, Ed0025, 😒.

12.) 04 Jan 2020 13:48:10
Think you're just being a Bad Boy there Ed025, just like you were Last Christmas. It's lovely to see our Young Guns like Gomez playing with so much Freedom, they take me to the Edge Of Heaven with each game. I've had enough of your Careless Whispers already so don't Wake Me Up Before You Go Go.

{Ed025's Note - good stuff johnny..

13.) 04 Jan 2020 15:15:03
Van Dijk and Alisson were the catalyst for Liverpools defensive improvements and Edo25 is right that Van Dijk improves anyone who plays alongside him. It used to be a back 3 of Mignolet, Matip and Lovren which meant no communication or leadership skills and a nervous, error prone defence.
Matip and Gomez are decent defenders who have improved by having top quality alongside them. I cannot think of 1 defender who would be a definite improvement, as there is a dearth of decent centre backs in world football.

{Ed025's Note - i will have all of that greenflash mate..

14.) 04 Jan 2020 15:50:38
just responding to get at Ed025 a little.
i'm glad that Gomez is at least comparable to 6th timber that won't drag VVD down
cause i'm actually of the opinion that if VVD had to pair with any of Everton's defenders, he would immediately drop to the level below Lovern and i'm not even trying to be mean. at least not yet

but glad that you finally got a decent coach who ensure PL survival, just hope you won't be leading games at 3-0 by half time, otherwise we all know what may happen =D.

{Ed025's Note - VVD would even make keane look good next to him sg (slight exaggeration), gomez and matip would be the new mina and keane in our side because they are both mediocre and lovren would not get in our U23 side mate, your 2 full backs are good though i must say..

15.) 04 Jan 2020 18:06:29
Gomez for me because of his recovery pace. He is rapid and perfect for a high line.

16.) 04 Jan 2020 19:19:38
Ed25, you are making my point for me. Before VVD, we had Lovs and Matip indeed and they did not play well as a partnership cos both lacked communication, concentraton, leadership skills and could not marshal a defence. Did they have pother qualities? Of course cos if they did not, they would not have been putting in the performances they have been doing WITH VVD next to them and would have been sold already.

Therefore, they lacked those qualities and Klopp saw that so what did he do? He went to get a guy in VVD who HAD these qualities so now playing next to either Lovs, Matip or Gomez, they don't have to worry about being a leader or marshalling the defence. VVD will take care of all that and cover for them while they focus on what they are actually good at which is defending on the front foot, marshalling the opposing attackers and suffocating the opposition. As for Lovs, the guy shut down CR7 in a CL final. If you have no ability and are poor as you say Lovs is, you simply can't do that. It's that simple. Just my opinion.

17.) 04 Jan 2020 21:50:00
Johnny, you forgot to mention "I want your sex". 😂.

{Ed025's Note - hey...this is not a dating site ArAy.. :)

18.) 04 Jan 2020 22:46:25
Red Meister, I think the truth is somewhere between you and Ed025s' opinions. Van Dijk and Alisson are world class, so Matip, Gomez and Lovren will feel more assured knowing the calibre of defensive partners they have next to them.
Lets be honest, none of us were ever confident on corners, crosses and set pieces with Mignolet in goal and our 2 defenders nervously playing in front of him, in fact we were garbage. Stick 2 world class leaders at the back and its job done.

19.) 04 Jan 2020 23:49:18
If matip and gomez are average what does that make keane and mina? There wouldn’t be a word for it. How’s that boddingtons Ed?

{Ed025's Note - ours are definitely worse lerchy but there is a word for it...honesty, we dont butter up our players and label them as "world class" mate...especially if they just being dragged along by a player who is, but i do refute the bitter tag..i tell it like it is with maybe just a hint of blue bias my friend..



31 Dec 2019 17:14:05
Wish a Happy New Decade to you, your families and your loved ones. With good health and prosperity, always.


{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, Happy New Year and Decade to you and all the other posters on here, whether negative or positive, even Ed666. Well maybe not him...}

1.) 31 Dec 2019 19:38:54
Happy new year when it comes folks, hope it brings you every happiness.

2.) 31 Dec 2019 19:39:36
🙏 Ed001.

3.) 01 Jan 2020 00:57:11
Happy New Year everyone!



26 Dec 2019 22:03:22
Either Leicester have been the most over rated team thus far this year and have been now found out after their ManC and Liverpool games, or we simply played the best football, tonight, we have played thus far this year. It's really interesting to see. The boys simply refuse to lose and go out with that mind set, every single game. This is one of the Klopp effects.


1.) 26 Dec 2019 22:18:45
We were f##king awesome. Some performance, best of the season for me.

{Ed0666's Note - best of any season mate. I don’t think I’ve seen the ‘great’ man city steamroller and overwhelm any team relentlessly for 90 mins.

2.) 26 Dec 2019 22:22:00
Leicester are a good side with good players and deserve to be where they are. Rodgers however is still as tactically naive as he was 4 years ago when we sacked him.

Klopp saw exactly how to play around Leicester and implemented it perfectly. They got mauled in the first half, it was like watching a cat play with a mouse. But because it wasn't immediately reflected on the scoreline, Rodgers didn't change anything. Left our fullbacks wide open so we could continuously switch the play to take their midfield out of the game. Kept playing out from the back even though they gave the ball away a tonne of times. And eventually the mouse tired out and the cat was able to kill it easily. We were the cat.

Rodgers not a manager. He's a cheerleader. All he can do is blow smoke up players' arses and make them think they're great. And he can only do that for so long before they get sick of him.

{Ed0666's Note - Rogers just said his players played well lol

3.) 26 Dec 2019 22:22:14
That was, incredible. To totally dominate second in the league, away from home, after Qatar. Wow just WOW.

4.) 26 Dec 2019 22:34:26
Tactically Klopp totally done Rodgers today.
To beat a very good 2 place team in the league is a massive statement!

5.) 26 Dec 2019 22:48:48
They seemed to get frustrated pretty quickly, like they didn't want to be playing so far back. They just seemed overwhelmed early and it never improved.

{Ed0666's Note - by early you mean after 30 seconds mate? They got mullered from the off.

6.) 26 Dec 2019 22:59:39
Until Trent put in the second assist for Firmino and then smashed in the 4th I thought Henderson was head and shoulders the best player on the pitch. His performances in the last month have been outstanding. I have to admit I was one of the ones that wasnt sure if he was good enough for us but as a captain and player I'm not sure there's a better one in the prem. We were brilliant from the off and with a bit sharper finishing it could've been 6 or 7. Let's hope wolves get a result tomorrow but completely knacker themselves out at same time.

{Ed0666's Note - Hendo was pretty nifty. I thought Naby Laye Keita and Gini were pretty groovy in helping Hendo in midfield tbf

7.) 27 Dec 2019 00:00:32
That's exactly what I meant Ed!

8.) 26 Dec 2019 23:40:11
Completely agree mate, they were just completely dominant the entire game, great game.




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20 Feb 2020 08:42:35
If we are successful in bringing Havertz in, I think it's as replacement for Keita in the short term and being Henderson's replacement in the long term. I'm sure we had grandiose plans for bringing in Keita too, but we've seen how that has turned out. Time will tell.




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20 Feb 2020 08:39:05
And the love affair continues.




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31 Jan 2020 14:01:55
Agreed Keita can be spectacular based on his record in the Leipzig days. But how many of us are willing to stake a winning season, next year, on Keita being there, based on what we have seen with him at LFC? And in any case, there is always a transition and there are always options. And Klopp loves options. Havertz can be the long term replacement for Henderson, immediate replacement for Keita or any other permutation Klopp wants to try. But Havertz is an excellent long term choice. Crucial part of midfield settled for the next 8-10 years if all goes well. Unless you think Curtis Jones is the answer (which I don't) .




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18 Jan 2020 21:19:53
Thunderbird. Of course, I unequivocally have an agenda. It's called being "a club supporter who doesn't hesitate to voice his displeasure at players on whom high expectations have been placed, are paid very well and yet are unable to put in a regular shift throughout a season".

I admire your ability to fish for and spit out meaningless statistics, from the internet. But Naby Keita is an underperformer since day one, and/ or really likes the decor in the physio room and therefore spends a lot of time there. I clapped during those few games where he excelled, but that's not enough for me to say he deserves to keep that valuable squad place he is holding. The team needs 17-18 players who can be absolutely trusted, be relied on, and be dependant on, to be at the height, and stay at the height, we are on. This man is not there most of the time, and yet he's holding one of those 17-18 top squad places.

It's like sitting around for approximately 2 hours for a whale to come up. Once it comes up for air for around 10 seconds, you scream "wow" and then it's gone down again. And you wait for another 2 hours again. This turns some people on. Fine. It doesn't work for me. I guess I'm a naysayer then.




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17 Jan 2020 17:56:37
Everybody, and I mean everybody, looks at the rear-view mirror after having overtaken a car on a racetrack. (One by one, all the pleasures in life are being taken away, sob) .





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20 Feb 2020 21:48:39
Lack of really good and consistent midfield creativity is probably the one area that Klopp has not addressed sufficiently well since he's come, in my opinion. He's sorted our defense and attack issues superbly. So my vote goes for Havertz. It doesn't stop à Cantwell joining, or Jones developing, because Lallana will leave this summer and Milner, the next. I think the Grujic boat has already sailed given his work permit issues, and that an English player will join one way or another given the two possible homegrown departures (Lallana and Milner) in up to two years.




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20 Feb 2020 10:11:14
It could also mean other teams need to make a move quickly and offer far more than what they may have indicated earlier (i. e, Bayern Munich), because he's supposedly interested with LFC. Professional football players are "transient employees" with a limited career duration. Every extra penny obtained counts.




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19 Feb 2020 18:09:29
Okay. It took me a while but I've finally gotten it. You're beginning to sound like NegativeRedWalter, LOL.

Give it up, man. Walter is a class apart and you can't unseat him.

We're going to beat Atletico and with some luck we'll do it resoundingly without any doubts in anybody's head. And I'm confident we'll make it to the Final too (I have to be, otherwise what's the point of all this? ) .




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19 Feb 2020 14:39:02
Robbiesline, I've got a surprise for you. You are definitely sounding defeatist, LOL. Sure numbers count but they are not everything. Opinions count also and I stress "learned" opinions. It's not for nothing that we are being called "the best team in the World" at the present moment, in some quarters. Just look at the competition and the format. The UCL is supposed to be the cream of the cream. And it's a two leg result that counts every time (except the final) . It's only half time. And judging from reactions, our boys are more than pissed off about it. So I expect some payback with interest. Keep the faith. Believe.




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19 Feb 2020 11:41:30
Well, what you have read is not absolutely wrong. Klopp jumps up and down while preaching a correct, positive and fair style and strategy of playing football to his team. We saw no such thing from Simeone's team. Have you ever seen Klopp applaud his own player after committing a foul? Klopp is not a "win at all costs" type of guy. Simeone is. And that's what most of us didn't like about Simeone last night.