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11 Apr 2024 19:08:00
A couple of reports appearing in the media that Luis Diaz has asked for a "renegotiation" of his contract. If true, then we're about to see how Hughes handles and reacts to such situations.

I, myself, don't see why it is warranted. Where is (or are) the achievements that justify re-doing a contract before it has even reached half-way? Am aware many contracts were re-done in the past, but there were achievements (as a team) that justified these types of "rewards", back then.

If someone comes in for him (PSG supposedly), I would insist on 75 million and then spend it towards bringing in Kvaratskhelia (while adding in whatever is necessary) .

ArAy1969

1.) 11 Apr 2024 20:28:56
I personally feel it time for Diaz to move on. Not quite done enough and don't see him getting any better.
If a decent offer comes in I'd be happy to see him go. Works well for both the player and club.


2.) 11 Apr 2024 21:28:44
Given De Laurentis and Napoli are renowned for asking for top dollar and the fact Osimhen will likely be leaving for 100-130m. They’ll have even less need to sell Kvicha so can see needing to pay at least 50m on top of whatever Diaz may fetch.


3.) 12 Apr 2024 02:57:27
We've really seen the drop off in recent weeks of converting good chances. Diaz, for all his endeavour is the least productive of all our forwards. Given that Salah is not getting any younger and if you take away his Penalty goals, he has 17 open play goals whereas Nunez has 18. We are losing goals from Salah and cannot rely on Diaz to help out.

Given that Diaz is older than Nunez and Gakpo and has been here longer, I would allow Diaz to leave. Provided we can spend on a couple of quality replacements. I would also cash in on Salah.

Lastly, I can't believe it but I actually found myself giving NegativeWalter a thumbs up!


4.) 12 Apr 2024 09:42:21
I don't want to see the back of him but I think a transfer is on the cards in the summer. Which, if true good luck to the lad, we move on.

Ed2, do you know of any interest in Diaz?

{Ed002's Note - Luis Diaz (LW) Could be surplus. His agent already has one player in the Saudi league and has been offering another high profile player he has - so he may well be looking at Diaz as well given Liverpool are well stocked in the position. Al-Hillal may offer a solution. Liverpool will likely resist a deal but could look to a deal with Barcelona if they are serious about Raphinha. Using him in part exchange for another may be possible. Thoughts that PSG want him as an Mbappe replacement seem wide of the mark to me given they have very clear targets already, but his agent has approached PSG - but no more than that. Father says he wants to move to Spain.}


5.) 12 Apr 2024 11:17:48
Many thanks Ed2. Have a good day.


6.) 12 Apr 2024 11:24:28
Sick of international breaks and family coming saying this and that, if he wants to go elsewhere go, the fee should be top dollar for him approaching his prime, very replaceable.


7.) 12 Apr 2024 12:21:07
If he is sold I would be disappointed, but it's not a disaster. He's a very good player no doubt but we have plenty of cover on the left side and there's no guarantee that that sort of player will be what the next manager wants. He is definitely one of those players I think Amorim would consider expendable based on the system he plays.


8.) 12 Apr 2024 14:43:12
Rafinha is nowhere near good enough to replace salah.


9.) 12 Apr 2024 13:01:52
Talk about throw the baby out with the bath!
Ok we got well beat last night i think it was down to pre match talk of fan club with the no flags or banners the atmosphere was very poor and it transfered on to the pitch and the players .
So let's get rid of Diaz he was the best thing since sliced bread the other week wow come on reds.

The player to cash in on is MO. He is coming to the end of time at LFC . Gomez is just not good enough his passing is so poor and last night he struggled to get back to defend sorry but not of the quality expected of LFC Timikas not good enough either and klopp made a mistake in the side he picked sorry but is a fact . Keller looked like he had concushion after he saved with his head . Maybe that is the kick up the arse that the manager his coaches and the players needed because we have been very sloppy the first fifteen mins of every game so far this season and it has not been delt with why is that? is it because it is near the time when all the coaches and manager go i don't know do you?


10.) 12 Apr 2024 18:30:17
I like Diaz, he wouldn’t be on my list to sell but if he wants to go, he goes.


11.) 12 Apr 2024 23:37:28
The new manger will form his own view but personally I don’t think he will/ can accept Diaz or Nunez lack of clinical finishing. Diaz is a tricky winger with not enough end product, loses the ball too much and does not provide enoug assists. Nunez numbers are good and I like him but as has been evident in recent games his misses have meant we don't capitalise on our game control and then let teams back in to punish us. If I was the new manager I’d be saying we need better up top.


12.) 13 Apr 2024 05:10:19
I'd move on all of our front 3 and start over if I'm being brutally honest ?.


13.) 13 Apr 2024 11:03:44
I'd sell Salah and Diaz, but keep Nunez and play him on the left. Utilise his physical attributes as a winger.


14.) 13 Apr 2024 11:31:18
Klopt agree reference Diaz as he is more a traditional wide player that Amorim doesn't tend to play in his system. Nunez though I think is tailor made for Amorims system. He plays a traditional number 9 up top and Nunez is the only one we have. Alongside getting width back in the team with wingbacks, The two supporting attacking players in Amorims system is where I am most excited because we have so many players that could thrive in those positions - Gakpo, Jota, Elliot, Jones, Szob, maybe even Carvalho coming back into the fold.


15.) 13 Apr 2024 14:16:57
Albey how comes you didn’t take your own flag into the game or improve the atmosphere with some chants?


16.) 14 Apr 2024 03:21:23
@OP, do you think it is possible that employees elsewhere have also asked for a pay rise from time to time? I’m pretty sure Luchio wouldn’t be the first to ask.


 

 

15 Dec 2023 07:41:18
Contract extension talks supposedly ongoing with Ibrahima Konaté.

ArAy1969

1.) 15 Dec 2023 07:52:32
Worried or happy ArAy?


2.) 15 Dec 2023 08:03:43
I'm happy, Harry. I like Konaté more than most people here do. Yes, there are injury issues but he gives us a physicality that we sorely need in a league like the EPL. I hope the injury issues will subside over time. When fully fit he is easily the next best after VVD, in my book.


3.) 15 Dec 2023 08:50:31
I certainly think it's a position we could upgrade. Is it higher on the priority list than some other positions? Don't think so.

Not entirely convinced by Konate but he is fairy young as CB's goes.

I will say with the current tactics, he does get exposed a lot more and that could be why I'm not entirely cemented.


4.) 15 Dec 2023 09:54:15
Fair enough mate, I too like him. On his day he is brutally good. But those days are far and few now. Which is a worry.


5.) 15 Dec 2023 10:07:57
V good player konate imo, how many games he misses threw injury is the problem with him. can't seem to string half a dozen games together.


6.) 15 Dec 2023 13:50:46
Think he’s great, as said once he overcomes the little knocks gets a run he will be a match for anyone.


7.) 15 Dec 2023 14:07:32
Digger10 - I think the reason he tends to get injured is because he is a very physical player who never pulls out of a tackle or 50/ 50 challenge.

A lot of other players do.

Some of our other players never seem to put a decent challenge in.

I like him in the team.


8.) 15 Dec 2023 15:13:10
Konate hasn't been perfect this season but how many CBS can command such a large section of the pitch when his RB is allowed wonder wherever he fancies, the RW is an inside forward. Oh and our holding MF played as a 10 for most of his career.


9.) 15 Dec 2023 15:40:43
Matip has mainly been Klopp’s first choice this season. Obviously now he’s out Konate can cement his place.


10.) 15 Dec 2023 19:06:22
He definitely fully committed to the challenge kbl, no doubt there. Its not the impact injuries I see as the problem it's the muscle 1s. Any player we've had who has had them over a period of 2 years r so has never grown out of them. Hopefully konate does as I think he could go on to be really top drawer, but I have my doubts.


11.) 15 Dec 2023 19:18:23
Am not a fan think h makes far too many mistakes and is injured far too much.
Not sure how long he has left but I would give him a new contract just to protect our investment but definitely think he needs upgrading. I don’t think he would be happy as a squad player but that is where he is for me.
Fully fit and in top form I would have Gomez ahead of him every day of the week.


12.) 15 Dec 2023 21:54:36
He’s Orite. Not great. Take Virgil out of that defence and it gets found out very quickly especially with no proper Defensive Midfielder.

Everyone is correct it’s the injuries that are Ibou’s problem. He gets injured that often, that he’s not actually improving each season like he should. He’s the exact same quality as when we signed him. Still in the “potential” bracket.


13.) 16 Dec 2023 01:03:37
Konate is an old fashioned proper centre back. He is not one of these kind of a CB, kind of a full back which is what we need in his position. VVD is the central man all day long and Konate should be his cover. Gomez can do the right sided role and we need a new left footed CB to do the left sided role.


14.) 16 Dec 2023 08:11:10
I think you are all nuts. Konate is 24 and playing in what has been a very unstable team defensively for the past 18 months. Our defense has never been secure since the VVD injury against Everton. The pressure he is put under playing the RCB with Trent pushing up, and our cover not being great (Hendo, Fab, Thiago) has left him exposed to a lot.
There are some rough areas of his game, but he is 24. He is strong, a monster in the air and not afraid to play out.

I genuinely think he could be seen as one of the best CBs in the land in another 3 years.

Each to their own opinion though, I may well be wrong.


15.) 16 Dec 2023 08:21:56
Happy that the club want to keep him, by and large they get these things right.


 

 

10 Mar 2023 14:14:21
No idea if true or not, but just read a report that Kelleher has asked for a move. Pity, but it's an understandable situtation and we all expected it.

ArAy1969

1.) 10 Mar 2023 14:33:44
U can’t blame him but trying to dislodge one of the best in the world is tough! He needs game time
I’d loan him out to a top club and see how he goes!
He’s a great keeper!


2.) 10 Mar 2023 14:44:16
Yeah, can't really blame the lad. He is too good to be a number 2. If he continues to stay at Liverpool his prospects will stagnate. Especially when you consider his international rival, Bazunu, is playing every week, consistently.

Would prefer a loan move, but permanent makes more sense for all parties. Alisson will be our keeper for a while yet, as goalkeepers have more longevity than any other position on the pitch. Hopefully get a decent amount too, just hope we don't price him out with ridiculous figures.


3.) 10 Mar 2023 15:03:18
Bazunu makes about a zillion mistakes a game atm. If Kelleher was playing every week he'd displace him straight away.


4.) 10 Mar 2023 15:27:44
Jay, let's be precise in our nomenclature. Becker is THE best in the World. ?.


5.) 10 Mar 2023 15:47:02
Best in the World? always makes a rick in big games Real Madrid second goal and 7-0 last sunday made another potential howler at the Anfield Road End second half?

Would never get in any Liverpool all time great team, Elisha Scott, Ray Clemence and Bruce Grobbelaar miles in front of him.

Had a selfie took in the Grapes Public House in Woolton with one of the above xmas charity appeal, and asked him Kelleher or Backer? (back of the queue! ) he replied he would be happy with either.


6.) 10 Mar 2023 15:39:47
CK has to be worth 30/ 40m. I wonder what else there is available in sales/ wages towards the revamp.

{Ed002's Note - No chance.}


7.) 10 Mar 2023 15:42:34
sell him!
let Pitaluga and Harvey Davies fight for no2 spot.


8.) 10 Mar 2023 16:52:12
£30/ £40 million for a player that’s really only played a handful of games so to speak. Come on! If I was Klopp I would be convincing him to stay and get him a 2 year loan and see how he progresses. If he cuts it, bring him back to replace Becker and if he doesn’t then just move him on. That way he won’t spend the next 2 seasons sitting on the bench. A win win in my eyes.

On a side note ED002. What kind of loan fee would a player like Kelleher fetch for 2 seasons? I would guess it wouldn’t be that much ?.

{Ed002's Note - Not much of a fee and it would likely mean dropping down a division. He wants to leave for game time and someone will pay £10M perhaps.}


9.) 10 Mar 2023 17:00:13
We need the money for a rebuild so if the kid wants a starting spot somewhere I wouldn’t stand in his way.

My choice would be a 2 year loan to a team like Celtic ?‍♂️.


10.) 10 Mar 2023 17:12:54
Has to be worth more than what we got for Danny Ward.


11.) 10 Mar 2023 17:20:42
OP, where was the report he’s asked for a transfer?


12.) 10 Mar 2023 17:31:24
He has talent, he should leave sooner rather than later unlike Ward. Good luck to him.


13.) 10 Mar 2023 17:50:53
WDW its an article in Sports Bible that has been aggregated on Newsnow.


14.) 10 Mar 2023 18:04:32
10M eh? So that means LFC will hold a hard line on price at 16M. ;-)


15.) 10 Mar 2023 18:24:56
And they'd be right, that's the LEAST they should be looking for mftonjes.


16.) 10 Mar 2023 19:14:43
Thanks Zed.

I think he needs to move on - he is a very good keeper but needs to be playing regularly to get even better.


17.) 10 Mar 2023 19:44:58
Anyone who has seen him play will know he is better than kepa what chelski pay for him ?.

{Ed025's Note - hes got great potential ace, if he progresses he could be the new pickford mate..


18.) 10 Mar 2023 20:32:43
More like Dropford, ed025.

{Ed025's Note - Englands number 1 famous, not everyones cup of tea i admit mate but still one of the best in the league..


19.) 10 Mar 2023 22:29:19
He has looked good and done us proud when he has come in and played. But week in week out will be a different story, well, more pressure good luck to the lad.


20.) 11 Mar 2023 01:13:57
Sell Kelleher with an option to buy back in 3 years. That way we bank some money and can bring him back if he's flying.

{Ed002's Note - Not going to happen.}


21.) 11 Mar 2023 02:54:42
In an ideal world Bg Ted will decide he needs a goalie down at the Bridge - we’ll get £ 100m for him, at least.


22.) 11 Mar 2023 04:56:47
Buy back option is a must, Kelleher could fetch £15-20m easy, he is a better keeper than Kepa, Lloris, Pickford, Ramsdale, without a doubt!
Ed002, you must remember the lad from the Carabao final last year huh!

{Ed002's Note - That is not how Liverpool work - and only two English sides regularly use them.}


23.) 12 Mar 2023 00:52:41
Grobelaar was not better than Alisson. Not a chance.
I couldn't say that Clemence was.


24.) 12 Mar 2023 21:17:20
Six league championships, three fa cups, three league cups and one european cup says differently, he also only cost £250,000 alisson was circa 67 million, that is four times 67 million which equals 268, so was circa 268 times cheaper than alisson, so value for money he was a better keeper.

He also holds the record for least goals scored in the old first division for any LFC goalie in history which played 42 games in a season, 16 goals only conceded, Alisson least goals conceded while at LFC 22 which is also four less games than brucie had to play in a season, as you only play 38 games in a premier season, how many more facts do you require.


 

 

20 Jun 2022 13:08:14
Just read a rumour, and so hope it turns out true. The club is working on a, Keita plus cash for Nicolo Barella, swap deal. These are so rare, so I have my doubts; wishful thinking I guess.

I don't think Wijnaldum was as bad as many think, but I wouldn't take him back on loan. Rather give a deserving youngster a shot than go out and loan a player for a season, if we're not buying.

ArAy1969

1.) 20 Jun 2022 15:12:29
That would be quite some coup if true, ArAy, and I for one would be delighted!

Like you, though, I'm not holding my breath!

Out of interest, where did you see/ hear/ read this?


2.) 20 Jun 2022 16:15:21
No chance sadly.


3.) 20 Jun 2022 17:30:50
Zed, I look at newsnow. co. uk, a news amalgamator, on the liverpool page very often. It was mentioned on the HITC website who are quoting Italian website CMW. No idea who, and how authentic, their news is.


 

 

10 Jun 2022 17:25:10
Second surge of rumours regarding Nunez. From pretty much the same sources as the first surge. Plus Fabrizio Romano saying formal offer received by Benfica from LFC.

I'm not putting the party hat on until a medical is satisfactorily passed.

ArAy1969

1.) 10 Jun 2022 19:20:34
Go on ArAy get that hat on mate. WE WILL WIN.


2.) 10 Jun 2022 19:53:51
Win what?


3.) 10 Jun 2022 20:44:19
The transfer window is a competition. Didn't you know?


4.) 11 Jun 2022 08:41:38
It is?
What does the winner get? Apart from a hole in their pocket?


 

 

 

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10 Jul 2024 21:01:21
How was that a penalty? The defender put his foot out to block, and after the ball had already left Kane's foot, his follow through went into the defender's foot. Disgraceful, seriously. How do defender's defend then? If they can't put their feet up to block shots? And of course, the serial diver / drama actor made sure he played with VAR's head. ?

At least it's not an English crew officiating, so there's that.

ArAy1969

1.) 10 Jul 2024 21:36:20
Instead of using the body parts to block the shot which is what usually most defenders do, he tried to kick the ball and got nothing. Dumfires did a Dumbfries!


2.) 10 Jul 2024 21:59:45
Who cares if it was or not? Southgate for UNITED!


3.) 10 Jul 2024 22:02:19
Harry, the ref. favored the English throughout the game on almost all the foul calls. No comment on the serial divers that are Kane, Bellingham and Saka.

Excellent goals by Simons and Watkins though.

Oh, and I guess Southgate gets another 5 year contract. La-dee-daa.


4.) 10 Jul 2024 22:10:35
Which body part would you use Harry for a ball that's a yard or two away from you (if not a leg or foot)? You have something that the rest of us don't have?


5.) 10 Jul 2024 22:39:30
You cannot, that’s the point. Stay there and block the shot instead of reaching for it. Have you not seen defenders using their body parts to block the shot? Some bend down and use their upper body. How many times have we seen VVD turn his bum against the shot. ?

You can’t extend your legs with studs up and try to kick the ball. Dumbfries did not block the shot. He tried to kick a ball that was a yard away from him and missed it completely. He had no complaints either. For me that was as right call.

Don’t think Netherlands did anything to threat England. England bossed the first half and should have been out of sight.


6.) 10 Jul 2024 23:34:41
Those are given as fouls every weekend. It shouldn’t be any different in the box or bc it’s a Euros final. Don’t we all call for consistency? He didn’t win the ball, had his studs up, and endangered an opponent. Foul.


7.) 10 Jul 2024 23:43:53
Sorry, that makes very little sense to me, Harry. First off, there is NO rule in football saying you can NOT block a shot with your foot or legs nor extend your legs so don't start spouting sand making up new rules out of thin air to suit your rhetoric. No such rules exist, end of. I've seen the same incident happen lots of times and a pen is never given esp. if it is incidental contact. Even the ref didn't give it in real time and he saw it live. The VAR mess up big time, IMO.

IMO, it was a 50/ 50 ball and Dumphries went for it with the side of the foot (what's he supposed to do there? Let Kane have a clean strike? ) and Kane went for the shot. Dumphries diid not go in studs showing. He went in with th side of his foot and the ball was there to be won. Kane hits the shot and both feet collide. That is incidental contact or just a "coming together" as the English would say, IMO. That was NO penalty and if that happened to the English and they lost, you would be screaming blody murder. You can have your own opininos. You can NOT have your own football laws. Just my opinion.


8.) 11 Jul 2024 00:12:45
Harry, the English were helped by the ref. Granted the first half belonged to the English because they did play better for 35 minutes. But the second half would have been vastly different if the Dutch had not gotten the "soft" calls against them.

Have you ever played football? Because you would know that as a footballer your first instinct is to go for a ball, that is a yard or two away and above your waist, with your foot. I don't know where they teach to use your bum, as you claim VVD does all the time.


9.) 11 Jul 2024 00:32:30
Nobody said you can’t attempt
A block in the penalty area but when you do that with studs up and strike the opponent then it’s up for interpretation, I’m certain I saw mac vvd and Curtis all sent off for less last season, it is what it is, I’ll see you Sunday.


10.) 11 Jul 2024 01:44:25
Meanwhile macca getting kicked by doku ain't a foul.


11.) 11 Jul 2024 02:57:57
Bit bizarre that somebody in here is suggesting that Dumfries go for a ball below waist height a few inches away that Kane is right about to volley by turning around, squatting down and trying to block it with his bum ??.


12.) 11 Jul 2024 06:05:19
I am sorry ArAy if you are vouching for your defender to extend his leg inside the box and kick when you know you are never going to get it then we are going to be in deep trouble next season.
For me he stays and block the shot instead of reaching for the ball while hitting the leg instead of the ball ?.
Played a lot of football and got booked a lot of time for not getting the ball but the opponents feet ??

I would agree with @Stonage on this

@LfcBird
Exactly. it was a foul and we were rallying on this page how we got robbed. Didn’t we? ????

@Oli
There is no rule, but if you don’t win the ball you get a booking. Simple as.


13.) 11 Jul 2024 06:31:37
I agree 100% with Gary Neville to be honest. That's never a pen it my book. How VAR decided that's a clear and obvious error when video shows Kane clearly kicked Dumfries is just beyond me and again brings back the point of re-refereeing the game. VAR forced the overturning of a good on the pitch decision in my book. Glad England are in a final, but I genuinely don't think we should be.


14.) 11 Jul 2024 07:06:26
Never a penalty - we'd all have been going nuts on the live chat if that was given against us! Jeez we have last season at some of the calls lol

He put his foot out to bloc the ball and, what is very important I think, is that he only had his foot out to block. The actual contact was caused by the follow through of Kane - to put it as bluntly as I can, Kane kicked his foot and somehow got a penalty.

That then spurred England on the rest of the first half - had that incident not happened, the game would have continued in the scrappy way it did you'd imagine.

{Ed025's Note - it was a pen Bill, if you dont get the ball and clatter the player in the box mate..its a pen, on a separate note...the search team looking for Cody Gakpo still have no leads, he went missing for 90 minutes yesterday and the forensics team have found none of his DNA on the ball.. :)


15.) 11 Jul 2024 07:16:16
I think the ref was on the take ??.


16.) 11 Jul 2024 07:30:00
In no universe was that a penalty. This description of him clattering the opponent is equally laughable. Kane had a shot, Dumfries raised his foot and Kane’s follow through kicked him. This Gakpo hate is folly as well, the Dutch weren’t great and are frankly an average side.
As for Southgate he’s the luckiest manager in the history of the game. Never played a team of note in a major tournament and beat them. If you think Germany in the last World Cup, they’re the worst German team in memory. He’s been saved by moments again and again and it’d be a crime for him to win anything.

{Ed025's Note - a lot of bitterness on the page this morning guys, FACT...it was a penalty...we are in the final...we deserve to be there, get behind the boys because you never know....it might just be coming home..


17.) 11 Jul 2024 08:11:54
Come on England, it's coming home, the Spanish will get tired after 60mins, Morata will do nothing, we will get ball dominated for an hour, Pickford will let in a comfortable goal, then we will get 2 late goals and bring the trophy home.


18.) 11 Jul 2024 08:29:48
The disappointing but lucky penalty helped England to the final. England was disappointing and lucky to win the group, too. The manager is disappointing and lucky because he keeps getting away with it.
Have some of you ever considered changing your minds about England and Southgate given the evidence mounting before you? ?
You don't have to live with all this disappointment if you change your perspective.


 

 

07 Jul 2024 17:55:13
Been announced that Thiago Alcantara has retired from football as a player. I wish him all the best; supremely talented footballer but couldn't do much for us sadly, due to his injuries.

ArAy1969

1.) 07 Jul 2024 18:01:40
Without a doubt one of the most graceful footballer ever. Watching him play was like pure poetry in motion. Technically he was brilliant.


2.) 07 Jul 2024 18:06:07
Brilliant footballer unfortunately his time with us disappointing due to the injuries. No coincidence the 1 really good steady run he had in lfc team was the push for the quad 2 seasons ago, he played great stuff in that period.


3.) 07 Jul 2024 18:07:09
Gutted for him. His first two seasons for us he did well but last year was ridiculous. Think he played 20 minutes all season. Did something go badly wrong with that hip surgery 12 months ago? Loss for football.

{Ed025's Note - half decent if a little lazy for me MK..


4.) 07 Jul 2024 18:45:52
Absolute Rolls Royce of a player.

Unfortunately, injury-wise, he was about as dependable as a poorly maintained one from the 60s.

{Ed014's Note - more of a Ford Granada for me


5.) 07 Jul 2024 18:48:41
I wouldn’t say lazy Ed025. Quite the opposite. I’d say if anything he tried too hard to win the ball back and he was very prone to a rash tackle often from the wrong side. He was a winner and I can’t have it he was lazy mate. Only other he did that annoyed me was play blind asses across the front of our penalty area quite often.

{Ed025's Note - i dont think Liverpool seen the best of him MK, maybe the league did not suit him i really dont know, but i thought he was incredibly over-hyped mate and does not get in the top 20 reds midfielders for me..


6.) 07 Jul 2024 19:10:42
When Pep G hails your new signing ….


7.) 07 Jul 2024 19:22:03
When on his day (not as many as we all would have liked at LFC), Thiago was out of this world. The guy ran passing clinics in certain games that sometimes, it was so enjoyable and made football look easy. Grace and poetry in motion at times, IMO. I don't believe the league did not suit him was he dropped several massterclasses in the PL (see his debut at Chelsea) and CL after he settled in the team.

Go watch the FA Cup semi vs City at Wembley where they could not get near him and Fernadinho was chasing his shadow all game. Learned to tackle and became very good at winning the ball back and pressing effectively, IMO. He said so, " The manager taught me how to run".

Overhyped? As a youngster at Barca, only legends Xavi and Iniesta were in front of him so he had to leave to get game time at Bayern under a certain Pep Guardiola. I guess he's a mug who can't spot overhyped players, yeah? In addition, Thiago was coming off being the best player in the CL the season (won the treble) before he signed for us. Even Rooney thought LFC would go back to back when he heard we got him. I guess he can't spot a baller when he sees one too.


Now Ed25 has it right on one sense. We never really saw the best of him and that's normal due to his injury history (apparently partly based on the way he plays with his hips hence, the hip issues he had/ has) and then, keep in mine that he signed for us at about age 29 and with the early injuries he had esp. the one he had at Everton when he was on a good run, set the tone esp. with a player with an already checkered injury record. Great player. A serious case of "what might have been", IMO.

{Ed025's Note - i was only commenting on his time at Anfield Oli, i seen a bit of him in Spain and he came with a very good reputation, of course he had the odd good game mate but not enough to go all weak at the knees for me, ended up a bit of a crock and his wages far outweighed his footballing value for me, but its all about how one sees things i suppose..


8.) 07 Jul 2024 19:23:40
I agree not top 20 Ed025. I could reel a fair few who were better off the top of my head and i’m only 30 years old.

{Ed025's Note - you come across as older MK, i dont mean that as an insult mate you have a very good knowledge of football imo..


9.) 07 Jul 2024 19:30:20
Many on here and the live chat know my opinion on Thiago already, fair to say I am not one of his biggest fan, not by a long shot. To put it kindly, Thiago has always style over substance, for me.

He hardly ever played, spending far more time on the injury table than the pitch, contributed something like 4 assists over his entire time with Liverpool, and simply could not be relied upon when we really needed him. Notable that he has decided to retire now, rather than last year where he played a total of 10 minutes all season, and was happy collecting his 200k a week for zero work.

Personally, think he is is severely overrated and prospered from having better players and systems around him to accommodate what he was, a luxury player. One of Klopp's worst signings at Liverpool, I genuinely hold him up there, not close to Keita but in the top 3 to 5. Harsh, maybe, but I have no time or sympathy for the man.


10.) 07 Jul 2024 19:32:55
Lfc didn't see the best of him ed25 no doubt on that but some his football was brilliant to watch particularly in this day and age when most players are coached to be robots, all do same thing, thiago always had something different in him. Unfortunately due to injuries his time with the reds will be seen as failure and I can't argue with that.

{Ed025's Note - i would agree with that Digger mate..


11.) 07 Jul 2024 19:51:32
As great a footballer he was, and there’s no question of his talent or character, it’s entirely fair to say that he was a poor signing by any stretch of the imagination as he missed so many games and had serious fitness issues throughout his time here, issues that were well known before we signed him. To pretend otherwise would be extremely disingenuous.


12.) 07 Jul 2024 20:03:09
I go by what they do for LFC so has to be judged a poor signing.


13.) 07 Jul 2024 20:33:33
Great footballer, came to the premier league too late and was already done. Pep could see it, sometimes you got to take a risk and sadly it didn’t work out.
Never let us down as a pro and I’m sure he helped a lot of our youngsters.


14.) 07 Jul 2024 20:36:04
Outside of football he is a decent human. Good luck to him in retirement. Some of the videos of him in training, maestro with the ball.


15.) 07 Jul 2024 20:48:15
He falls into the same category as Jari Litmanen for me - the ‘if only’ group. If only they could have stayed fit. Genuine shame that they couldn’t.


16.) 07 Jul 2024 20:39:51
Ed25, no one is asking you or anyone to be "weak in the knees" about any player cos they can't even do that anymore, as Digger10 said. Thiago is one of the last of a dying breed. A maverick who with one no-look pass could wreak havoc. Let me know where you can find such players like that in abundance in this day and age.

Digger10 gets my point exactly. It is right to say we did not see the best of Thiago overall at LFC and that is a shame. However, it is also correct that he did his part (not as big as one would have liked) to our cause and hunt for trophies and that his talent and ability is unquestionable. Both points can clearly exist in the same space. Once again, a case of "what might have been".

{Ed025's Note - yeah Oli i have seen a lot of them might of been,s in my time, the wudder cudder shudder ones and the if only,s mate, for me Thiago came for a last big payday and he got one...good luck to him i say..


17.) 07 Jul 2024 21:12:00
68 LaLiga games for Barcelona over 4 seasons, his minutes the equivalent of 43 games over the same amount of time. Barcelona were happy to let him go for €25 million to Bayern were he had a good career but then again not many players don’t come away from Bayern with a bag full of trophies. His time at Liverpool didn’t really come to fruition, good for the odd flick and trick, nice for the highlight reel but totally ineffective in the cut and thrust of the PL. He clearly made the wrong choice coming to LFC and maybe should have picked a less aggressive league.
Still 33 is no age to retire these day, so it’s a shame that he had to come to that decision, comes across as a really nice chap and well respected too.


18.) 07 Jul 2024 21:34:03
Overhyped bloody hell ed he was bayerns best player when they won the treble and played almost every game in your favourite position the double pivot. That’s a worse take than mine or Harry’s usual
Ones.

{Ed025's Note - im only talking about his Liverpool career Colonel, so yes he was average and over -hyped mate...oh and over paid..


19.) 07 Jul 2024 22:06:10
I’ve often been called an old soul Ed025. I think it’s because I lack patience and hate spicy food.

{Ed025's Note - old before your time MK, i see you now in your camel haired coat, bow tie and stout brown brogues walking to the match with your rattle mate.. :)


20.) 07 Jul 2024 23:32:26
When fit and in form, a truly gifted footballer who was a level above everyone else on the pitch. A joy to watch and “elite” doesn’t do the guy justice.
His honours list doesn’t lie and to say that he was anything other than a legend would be criminal.
Sadly, he came to the premier league in the twilight of his career and his body couldn’t keep up with the pace of the most demanding league on the planet.
Wish we could have had a 25 year old Thiago, but he was one of the players on the planet who can pick what team he plays for, and he had other dreams to fulfill.


21.) 08 Jul 2024 00:07:27
I’ve made my opinion on Thiago very clear on these pages. I agree with Mango he was all style with no substance.

Positionally naive which is why he got booked very often for diving in from the wrong side.

It’s a shame because he’s a talented player who I expected so much more from. In reality he was a playmaker whose assists you could count on one hand. Easy on the eye but completely ineffective both offensively and defensively. The true definition of a luxury player who believed his own hype and had no interest in modifying his game for the team.

Needless to say he won’t be missed by me but I do wish him well.

{Ed001's Note - David Silva got very few assists as well, such a shallow way to view what is effective in a playmaker and shows a real lack of understanding of the game.}


22.) 08 Jul 2024 01:52:13
Very poor signing imo. Buying a player later in his career with a poor injury record and putting him on huge wages is what Man Utd are renowned for. Thiago was exceptional in his prime but so were Falcao, Veron and Schweinstager.


23.) 08 Jul 2024 06:08:22
@Beckers, I disagree that Thiago was a player who believed his own hype and had no interest in modifying his game for the team. In fact, I think most of the injuries he suffered was a result of him trying to adapt to how we play, which is much more intense than what he was used to with Bayern or Barca. I think his body just could not keep up the rigors of the PL and broke down. But to imply that he didn't work hard or put in effort is unjustified.

{Ed001's Note - exactly. It is just an ignorant take on Thiago that Beckers has vomited onto the page.}


24.) 08 Jul 2024 06:32:26
David Silva 60 goals and 97 assists in 309 PL games . So a goal or assist in every other game.

{Ed001's Note - well for starters you added in goals, which weren't mentioned. Silva took heavy criticism at one point at City for not getting enough assists compared to other great attacking mids, particularly from James Richardson. He would pull out just that one stat to show Silva wasn't all that great. Clearly nonsense as Silva is one of the best ever. The point anyway, is that a playmaker isn't necessarily going to be picking up assists. They aren't playing the final ball usually, they are putting someone into a position to play that final ball. Just ask Pirlo, who played 756 games and managed 134 assists in that time. Unlike Thiago, Pirlo started his career as an attacking midfielder as well, where he is more likely to have picked up more assists as his passes would be from higher up the pitch.}


25.) 08 Jul 2024 08:30:11
I surprised by some of the vitriol against a generational talent who has had to call time on his career because his body failed him.

It may not have worked out for either party but for me he will be remembered for the performances at Stamford Bridge, Old Trafford and Emirates in the Covid season as we rescued a CL spot, the United game at Anfield and semi-final at Wembley vs City in the quad chase and that stunning goal against Porto.

We’ll always have those memories.


26.) 08 Jul 2024 09:21:09
Thiago was a class player, pass the ball beautifully, could control games n temmpo. but unfortunately when he came to Liverpool, injuries ruined it for him. but I think because he was in the premier league n people were sayin he only a playmaker, he tried to hard to adjust his game ie tackling etc n I think that played a big part of his injuries. but I loved watching him play esp at Bayern.


27.) 08 Jul 2024 09:29:47
I loved Thiago and its a sad way for him to end his career.

I believe he will go onto become a great coach or manager somewhere in the future.

I'm pretty sure Milner was singing his praises for how he was in training and how much he helped other players.

Getting praise from Milner the ultimate professional is quite the accolade.


28.) 08 Jul 2024 09:50:16
I think Irish has just debunked your argument Ed.

I’d argue that trying to defend Thiago’s contribution to our team shows your lack of understanding of the game.

He’s a talented footballer but he slowed our play, got caught on the ball, pressed on his own, got caught wrong side constantly, didn’t create, didn’t score. In fact he added to the midfield’s workload because they had to cover for his total lack of positional awareness.

Unfortunately being a talented player on the ball doesn’t mean you are an effective player on the pitch.

If you’re going to give examples to criticise my lack of knowledge I think you should make sure you are right. Then we can have a grown up conversation rather than baseless insults and name calling.

{Ed001's Note - Irish has done nothing. I never defended Thiago's contribution at all, you clearly missed the point I was making. You are just repeating the same stuff you already said, as you have nothing of value to offer other than the same whine you posted already. I criticised your ignorance of the person Thiago, which I will stand by because you clearly know f all about him. Your post showed a complete lack of any knowledge of the man, it was just a hateful snide attack on his person. The kind of petty personal dig I would expect from a Man Utd or Everton fan.

But don't waste my time trying to pretend you can even hold a grown up conversation, or that you have any right to whine about baseless insults. The only person whose time is being wasted is mine, having to read you regurgitate the same things when they were utterly unrelated to what I was talking about. I really wish I never bothered to reply, it was wasted on you and I have no wish to get into a conversation about it anyway.}


29.) 08 Jul 2024 10:31:24
Ok fair enough Ed.

I wasn’t criticising the man at all and in a previous post I said I wish him well. I was criticising his overall contribution to our team as I do believe he did nothing to improve us.

I’ve always maintained he’s a very talented footballer who, in the right team can do wonderful things. He just wasn’t a good fit for us.

Anyway, we’ll have to agree to disagree on our respective knowledge of football matters.

{Ed001's Note - you were heavily criticising the man when you said that he believed his own hype. That is so far from true of Thiago, who is someone who is far from that type. If you had said it of Zlatan, then it is spot on, he has become a caricature because of it. But Thiago is just not that type at all. Didn't fit the Prem, didn't fit the team and couldn't stay fit, which makes him probably the second worst signing of the Klopp era, only saved by Keita being so catastrophically bad on and off the pitch. However, as a person he is just a quiet family man with no real airs and graces. He was always wandering around town with his missus and kids.

What annoyed me is your shallow abuse of one particular stat to try and prove he was useless. I hate the way people misuse stats to try and support an argument. My point wasn't that Silva didn't get many assists, my point was that he was being attacked by pundits at one point for not getting many as proof he was not very good. Just like it annoys me when those same pundits would claim Ozil was useless and lazy while totally ignoring the stats that said the opposite. Without context, stats are just meaningless.

If Thiago was playing in and around the box, then assists become more important as an indicator of his performance. But he was playing much deeper, so it is not really any indicator of his ability to be a playmaker. There is more to it. Added to the fact he was brought in to provide 'control' as Lijnders was obsessed with that. That means he is not going to be put into a position to play a final ball most of the time as he is there to keep the ball, not play the risky pass which creates chances.}


30.) 08 Jul 2024 12:34:37
I was regarded Thiago as the assist to the assist gut, he used to play the passes that I would scream at other players to do, if there was half a gap and a chance to go forward, round a corner, he would, he is under rated because he didn't get the goals or assists, but he was class, a player from deep to get the forward pass even if it wasn't 50% of a chance to make he would go for it, it's a shame there isn't more of these players these days, players are very negative these days.


31.) 08 Jul 2024 13:03:23
It going to blow smoke up his arse, Thiago was an absolute terrible signing for us to make, big money injury prone to high heaven. Hope we never make a transfer like that again, leave the old so called superstars to the likes of United.


32.) 08 Jul 2024 15:20:50
I get all of that Ed but as a creative player he should’ve contributed more going forward. With his ability he should be assisting Salah and Mane from deep positions and not just recycling or generally losing the ball.

Perhaps that’s what he was told to do but still his attacking stats were woeful for someone with his ability.

As a person I have no idea. He seems like a nice bloke I really have nothing against him at all. You can think you’re the dog’s doodahs on the pitch and still be a humble man off the pitch. I would never criticise someone’s character as a person when I’ve never even met them.

On the pitch though his attitude struck me as someone who was overconfident in his ability with very little substance to back that up. Cocky is great if you are running games and making a huge positive impact on the team. He wasn’t so his over confidence wasn’t merited.

That’s all I was saying.


 

 

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1.) 01 Jul 2024 21:38:13
Fondue might be on the Mainoo on Saturday.


2.) 02 Jul 2024 08:27:03
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07 Jun 2024 11:01:17
"Win or lose, Southgate has given England hope again. Don't listen to the haters - the 53-year-old is the best coach the Three Lions have had for 50 years and has unified a fractious nation"

Woaah. What have I missed? That's the headline of a football website. All I can say is there has certainly been no "unification of a fractious nation". The divide is still very much there and better smell the roses.

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1.) 07 Jun 2024 12:14:52
Southgate is a great manager… for Manchester United.


2.) 07 Jun 2024 12:34:03
He probs is the best coach we've had results wise in a long time you can't deny that, I would assume unifying a nation football wise I'd say they have done that just because a section of football fans from club football don't like England doesn't mean everyone does. shock horror a Liverpool fan likes England national team.


3.) 07 Jun 2024 12:35:49
50 years?

So better than Bobby Robson, Terry Venables, Sven, Capello.

Ok he’s probably better than McLaren and Taylor but it’s close.


4.) 07 Jun 2024 13:50:25
Hope, as in the standard across football has dropped massively. I'd expect england to win in all honesty.
If they didn't he's a failure.
The standard has become a joke.


5.) 07 Jun 2024 13:49:54
I’m praying he ends up at United. Can you imagine how funny that would be ?.


6.) 07 Jun 2024 15:52:11
I think Southgate has been more successful than any of those managers Ron.


7.) 07 Jun 2024 17:57:41
@ArAy1969 wait, who said this?

@VV bro, I am hoping that happens cos the memes would be absolutely legendary.


8.) 07 Jun 2024 21:55:30
Really Rover?

Maybe have another look at that. Southgate has won nothing and only managed to get Middlesbrough relegated.

Capello won titles all over Europe and European cups
Sven won titles
Venables won La Liga
Graham Taylor didn’t win much but got Watford promoted from the 4th division to runners up in the first division
Bobby Robson league titles cups and European cups all over Europe.

You also have to look at the players at his disposal and the standard of teams he’s up against.


9.) 08 Jun 2024 00:01:37
Ron, I believe Rover was simply talking about England.

In terms of England he has taking the team to a World cup semi final and quarter final and a Euro final. Compare that to the mess of Capello, the missed opportunities of Sven and turnip head Taylor. Robson in Mexico and Italy was on on a par results wise and Venables, at home, got to the semis against Germany.

None of them won anything! But in terms of going deep into a major tournament, Southgate's record stands up.


10.) 08 Jun 2024 02:52:28
As in …. I hope we beat Iceland ?


11.) 08 Jun 2024 08:32:55
Correct Potclay. He is manager of England after all ?‍♂️.


12.) 08 Jun 2024 08:22:40
Potclay - success = winning and Southgate has won nothing, at any level of management.

Saying he’s the best manager in 50 years implies he’s won something the others haven’t.
In reality he’s the least successful manager England have had.
‘famous for his waistcoat’ says it all.


13.) 08 Jun 2024 08:22:40
Potclay - success = winning and Southgate has won nothing, at any level of management.

Saying he’s the best manager in 50 years implies he’s won something the others haven’t.
In reality he’s the least successful manager England have had.
‘famous for his waistcoat’ says it all.


14.) 08 Jun 2024 09:27:00
Southgate is not a good manager in my opinion. The strengths of the England team are clearly in midfield and up top with our frailties being GK and defence. Setting up as he does further exposed those weaknesses rather than trying to exploit our strengths. If this squad wins anything, which they won't based on last night's results (I didn't watch it to be fair because I don't really care but come on. with all due respect Iceland) it will be inspire if Southgate rather than because of him.


15.) 08 Jun 2024 10:30:00
And yet all those managers you mentioned Ron flopped at the England job. So much for a winning mentality ?‍♂️. Southgate has had more success as an England managers than all those winners you have mentioned. He also has the balls to pick players outside the “top 4” that most other previous managers did. He’s not my international manager so I don’t really care and he might wear a waistcoat but I’m not sure if that’s a crime or not but he has done better than previous managers.


16.) 08 Jun 2024 14:00:28
Success is based on honours/ trophies.

Southgate has none as a manager.

The others have multiple trophies.

Therefore Southgate has no success.

You can argue all you want Irish but anyone who has watched the game would say Southgate is not the most successful manager England have had for 50 years.
Successful at what? Losing to Iceland? Yeah, he’s had great success in that department.


17.) 08 Jun 2024 16:13:18
2nd highest win percentage of any England manager Ron, even after last night ?.


18.) 09 Jun 2024 05:39:14
That’s just another example of statistics being meaningless though @TIR.


 

 

 

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When looking at Adeyemi, I get the same vibes as when watching Theo Walcott, Adama Traore, and Ousmane Dembele. Capable of blistering speed, but not enough of the rest like scoring goals or making sure the ball gets to someone else in a position to score. He's young so there's clear potential for improvement, but still, I would ask what does he add to our attack, now? I'd rather take a Jeremie Frimpong and stick him on the wing. With someone who got 14 goals and 12 assists last year, the downside is very limited.

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17 Jul 2024 10:40:14
It'll be sad to see Trent go, if he and the club decide what's best for both sides. I think Bradley is an able replacement and the club may decide to seriously go in for Frimpong. You lose a vice captain local boy, but you get a speedster who scored 14 goals with 12 assists, last year.

But I agree that it's ludicrous for the club to let TAA go on a free next summer.

In regards to the contracts of VVD, TAA and Salah, there are mentions and rumours in the media about one or the other being allowed to go on a free next summer. This is something I've never understood. The possibility of the club fighting tooth and nail on the prices of lesser players (Phillips for example) but can be letting far larger amounts for better players, go, simply makes no sense to me.

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17 Jul 2024 10:27:12
Guehi was clearly England's best player at the tournament. The offer doesn't sound outlandish if you factor that in, and that it's ManU buying (real penny pinchers those guys) and the usual HG English player mumbo jumbo.

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17 Jul 2024 10:24:03
Another day, another troll. Sigh. And this despite having their pants taken down in full view yesterday.

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15 Jul 2024 11:13:39
Irish, I have no real issue with VDB being worth 22 million. But then Phillips is worth more than 8 million consequently, and that Turkish club offered only 4 million. Phillips and Williams saved our neck that year when we had the CB crisis. He has enough EPL experience to be worth more than 8 million, I would say.

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22 Jul 2024 16:50:47
Watchutokinbout? I think ManU have done a superlative and masterful job with their recruitment. World beater after world beater, the list of successful signings is endless. The glory days of SAF beckon yet, to be re-visited, and are just around the corner. ?.

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20 Jul 2024 01:24:58
I think it applies to all 3 - Salah, VVD and TAA. Why should any of them be allowed to walk of for free next summer? Granted you can't force a player to extend or sign a new contract, nor can you force them to leave on a sale. Find a way, get it done. Others do it.

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20 Jul 2024 01:18:37
I don't see the problem with "flip flopping". What's wrong with getting the best possible player at the lowest possible price? Inacio was "untouchable" a few months ago, and now that there may be some possibility, it's become flip flopping?

ManCity, ManU, Chelsea and Arsenal change their minds all the time and it gets called "pivoting". Arsenal just pivoted out of Guehi. And when we do it, it's called flip flopping. The haters just love it.

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WDW, to make your research easier, I suggest you look for both "generational talent" and "wonderkid". You'll have rounded up all possibilities. ?.

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19 Jul 2024 14:48:43
Yes, but that will never sit well with most on here. They look around and see the other teams buying "new shiny toys" every week of the pre-season, and throw fits and accusations of incompetence in management at LFC. Most other teams have a coach/ manager already in place with an established structure. Ours has been stripped away from top to bottom (of the management), it needs to breath and acclimatise to the new environment. And new staff has to see the players. Fine, decisions may have been made, but every new regime wants to put its own stamp on a new place almost immediately. How long will Slot continue singing Klopp's praises and do things as Klopp would have wanted?

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