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14 May 2018 19:17:09
When it rains it pours! Just read that Ox not only injured his acl but the medial ligament and hamstring too. So we may not see him on the field in 2018 again. Recovery is going to take time and effort. Really empathize for the guy. Was beginning to come onto his own, and carve his own place in the team. 😒 🤞.


1.) 14 May 2018 20:08:53
Big shame for the lad, was coming into his own as well - hopefully he can make a full recovery.

2.) 14 May 2018 20:12:19
If that's true, everything else will be healed by the time his ACL has healed. It isn't like only 1 thing heals at a time.

3.) 14 May 2018 20:24:10
Don't count on seeing Ox until December 2018.

4.) 14 May 2018 20:53:15
He will be like a new signing for the second part of the season and all being well he will come back big and strong.

He has really impressed both on and off the pitch.

Got a feeling the Ox is going to pick up plenty of trophies with us in the next few seasons.

Let’s get number 6 to give him a boost.

5.) 14 May 2018 21:23:47
A bad blow and an area I get increasingly worried about. With Coutinho gone and Can likely to leave this summer we have a shortage in midfield, we have Keita arriving which eases some of the worry but now Chamberlain isn’t due back until December.

As it is we have.

Henderson (some injury issues) .
Can (leaving in summer) .
Chamberlain (out until December) .
Lallana (likely to leave) .


It seems Ceballos is highly likely which if happens gives us.


Plus Coutinho still needs replacing which hopefully mean Fekir or Pulisic arrives. Given Chamberlain is out until at least December and the possibility of any of the front three being injured or out of form, should we look to sign Ceballos, Pulisic and Fekir?

Would give us great depth and quality in midfield and attack.

6.) 14 May 2018 21:26:36
Chambo actually sourced 2 tickets for a father and son he met near the end of the season.

class act on and off the pitch!

hope he stays positive through his injury and can get through this!

7.) 14 May 2018 22:44:10
I kept thinking we got lucky with being him injury free compared to his arsenal days and now he's crocked. At least he's got the summer to recover and hopefully he can make it back before the busy christmas period.

8.) 14 May 2018 22:57:46
Hopefully he doesn't lose his pace and explosiveness. Really liked him this season, and offers a good option in the middle or wide. We Definetely need cover out wide, pace and the option to play as a forward or attacking midfielder too. Fekir ticks that box for me.

9.) 14 May 2018 22:42:25
Jonesred I understand your concerns and I’ve just been having a near identical conversation with a mate as he had the same worries. But I personally think that if we sign our targets (Cellabos and AM) along with Keita, then we will have sufficient players to cope with Ox’s injury.

If we use this seasons formation as an example and look at the squad hypothetically with those signings. Hendo, Keita and Fekir start with gigi, Milner and Cellabos in reserve is plenty, even if let’s say we lose hendo and Fekir to injury, we still would have a midfield of Cellabos, Keita and gig/ Milner, and then gives players like Trent and Woodburn the opportunity to play in midfield. Especially if we sign a rightback as the eds have mentioned.

I’d say signing another midfielder on top of all that could end up being more disruptive than productive.

10.) 15 May 2018 01:10:48
Don’t forget about TTA.

11.) 15 May 2018 05:57:23
Terrible shame. Ox had become an automatic starter in the midfield. An explosive player. He was outstanding against City in the CL.

This is clearly a very serious injury to his knee. It is entirely possible he will come back as good as before. Also entirely possible he will never be the same player.

At this point, the club has to plan for life without him. "Back in December2018", "nine months" etc are all just guesses.

So we very much need to bring in another midfielder now, in addition to Keita.

12.) 16 May 2018 15:27:32
No way Lallana leaves this summer - I expect him to make an impact when he gets subbed in in the 65th minute of the CL Final.

That being said, I only think we'll bring in 1 or 2 additional midfielders.

I personally get excited about the potential of a Milner, Keita, Ox midfield, and I don't think it's the end of the world if Lallana starts the season in Ox's spot

Bottom line, I'm not too worried about our midfield depth, even though it looks rough for the CL Final.

13.) 17 May 2018 15:58:50
He is only 24 yo. I remember Mane was injured and got back in 2 months.




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14 Sep 2019 14:32:05
Roberto Firmino - What a player. Does anyone really think Salah and Mane would score as many goals without him?


1.) 14 Sep 2019 15:00:23
Utter genius, ArAy. He was flaunting his abilities today. So glad he's ours.

2.) 14 Sep 2019 15:49:18
Best No.9 in the League if not the world, he is our most important player imo. Great result today against a tough steve bruce side. YNWA.

3.) 14 Sep 2019 16:06:32
Bobbie is just clowning opposition players right now. It is outright insane the things he is accomplishing on the pitch. His abilities as an attacking talent, are just unreal and second to none.

4.) 14 Sep 2019 16:40:16
He was actually such a joy to watch wasn’t he. The type of player you will tell your kids about in years to come

Red Sandman.

5.) 14 Sep 2019 17:57:11
It's actually amazing. Forwards and strikers thrive on open spaces and one-on-one situations. Yet this man is at his best in closed spaces and surrounded by players; and somehow usually finds a way to pass the ball on to the open man for a goal. Completely selfless, is happy when others score as much as when he does.

6.) 14 Sep 2019 17:28:59
He's gone up another level this season. Keep him fit and he'll continue to rip teams apart in this Form. I think we're the best team in Europe again, can't wait put that Napoli performance right.

7.) 14 Sep 2019 18:38:41
The commentator said "champagne of football from Firmino". Exactly!

8.) 14 Sep 2019 19:44:14
Forget about the number on his back because he might not score as much as some number 9s, but in our team, the way we play he is some player. So unselfish, a real team player and vision that you don't learn on the training ground. Quality.

9.) 14 Sep 2019 19:51:12
But guys, like, Bobby's good but he doesn't score enough goals. We could get a 'natural striker' like Greedy Kane and play Bobby at no. 10. That'd work better and wouldn't disrupt the team balance or anything. Not even a little bit. (sarcasm, obviously)

We have the best front three in world football, they all compliment and understand each other. Right now, I wouldn't swap any of them for any player.

10.) 14 Sep 2019 20:00:40
That's all other fans say about bobby, how many goals does he score? They don't see what he brings to r team. He completed changed the game today when he came on.

As for today's match, I worry about trent defensively at times. He wasnt great today but I think that could have been down to ox not covering him at times. Hopefully the ox can regain his form again, he looked a mile off it today. Great win though today, we didn't get out of 2nd gear. sitting in airport waiting on my delayed flight home from liverpool as I write this. YNWA.

11.) 14 Sep 2019 23:55:42
we need to be patient with the Ox, he has been out for a very long time, let's be fair the Newcastle goal was a hell of a finish, we started sloppy but once we scored there was only going to be one winner.

12.) 15 Sep 2019 04:12:46
roro1892 i don't think trent and AOC were all that poor. For the goal Trent had to shift over to Atsu in the centre as VVD and matip were after getting sucked too far left and Trent then had no choice but to tuck in. When the ball went to willems a left footed FB with no options in the box Trent just tried to stand him up which was sensible choice but willems unexpectedly cut into weaker foot with quick touch and struck a rocket. If he strikes that over the bar or into Adrian then trent doesn't get criticised. He wasn't really caught out much all game to be a worry.

AOC looked quiet impressive I thought barring a few poor touches as he's still rusty I'm sure. He covered a lot of ground and his pass rate was in the 95% bracket, he didn't look out of place.

13.) 15 Sep 2019 11:58:16
AOC looked impressive? U watched a different game from me mate. He was running about like a headless chicken at times.

14.) 15 Sep 2019 20:54:45
Roro, calm down with Ox and Trent. Ox is still trying to get up to speed and TAA did what he was supposed to do cos he had Atsu and Willems to deal with cos Matip and VVD got sucked in on the left, as Har_red92 said. As a FB, you are coached to go and mark the inside man (Atsu) cos he is the closet to goal and leave the wide man (Willems) open and hope that the cavalry arrives as it is harder to score from where Willems was (out wide) than where Atsu (thru the middle ) was.

Trent was able to see off the danger of Atsu and went one on one with Willems. Again as a FB, you are coached to show him the inside on his weaker foot which TAA did BUT I'm sure even you did not know he would fire a belter from there with his weaker foot.

BTW, the very same thing happened with Robbo when Krafth was open for NUFC and blazed over. Robbo took the inside guy and with Gini not picking Krafth up, he was free to shoot. Simple defending, really. Chill out, man.

15.) 15 Sep 2019 22:17:27
Red wolf, I'm hardly slating them. I said I worry about trent defensively at times didn't even mention the goal. Other teams must worry about this as most of their attacks go down the left wing.

Aoc I said had a poor game but like I said I hope he can regain his fitness again.



11 Sep 2019 10:26:31
Did anyone else take a look at some of Kelleher's footwork during the U21 game for Ireland? Move over Ederson (in a couple of years from now) .


1.) 11 Sep 2019 11:15:50
do you think he'll still be with us when he reaches his peak? Alisson has years to go just yet.

2.) 11 Sep 2019 19:54:48
Aussie. We cannot guarantee that Allison will be with us in a few years. We've always got to plan for different scenarios.

3.) 11 Sep 2019 20:45:41
If the norm of playing 60 games per season (or thereabouts) continues for us, then we'll definitely need at least two, and not just one, competent goalkeepers. People cry foul and moan endlessly when there is a drop off in quality the moment players from the bench come in. Ambition is nothing if you don't make the necessary contingencies for it.



10 Sep 2019 11:32:39
My Liverpool (only) Banter page has been hijacked. Now I have to go looking into the discussion page, match page and "other" pages for LFC related stuff. I'm declaring open rebellion. Want it back to the way it was.


1.) 10 Sep 2019 12:28:45
Hahaha. But I think it's ok. Its international footie week, so not much to talk about football anyway.

Everything will get back to normal by end of the week, I'm sure.

2.) 10 Sep 2019 13:28:10
If you’re bored like I am when there is no Liverpool football to discuss then join me in my conspiracy to confuse the world. I’ve started telling gullible people that if they use the industry code “wibble wibble” when ordering food they will get a 10% discount. Only works if ordering to a person not a machine.

It brightens up my day to think people are doing this and the response they get when they say wibble wibble!

3.) 10 Sep 2019 17:27:39
g1dgo. You've watched far too much BlackAdder.

4.) 10 Sep 2019 19:29:00
Gidgo, tell them about the global conspiracy to cull the human population and then implant us with ai so ere nothing but robots who respond to information we receive from Silicon Valley. Football won’t matter in 20 years we’ll all be gone.

{Ed002's Note - Sounds like a Zager and Evans conspiracy - you may need to look that up.}

5.) 10 Sep 2019 19:49:20
In The Year 2525 Ed002?

{Ed002's Note - Right.}



07 Jul 2019 10:05:54
For the guys that are interested, there's an excellent interview of Fabinho by Brazilian journalist Cleber Machado on reddit. Gives very interesting insight on the atmosphere around the Barcelona game, his initial period after joining and a lot of other snippets on internal workings.


1.) 07 Jul 2019 11:06:11
I must look it up thank's for that.

2.) 07 Jul 2019 13:49:38
Really interesting, the original interview is in Portuguese but a Redditor has translated some of the more interesting points. Can be found by searching "Interesting snippets from Fabinho's podcast for Globoesporte".

Cheers ArAy1969, great recommendation.

3.) 07 Jul 2019 14:28:24
Ed001, would you say there is corruption in this Copa America favouring Brazil? It was shocking when the referee didnt bother using VAR for a few decisions for no reason.


{Ed001's Note - probably, there usually is favourable refereeing for the home team in an international tournament as no one wants them out early.}

4.) 07 Jul 2019 15:06:45
Ahh I see thank you Ed.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate.}

5.) 07 Jul 2019 16:05:20
Spot on, Ed. That has always been the case which is why countries who have a team that has potential of winning an int'l comp. always fight tooth and nail, to host it cos not only is there great home support, there is always some good, old "home cooking" (NFL jargon for favorable refereeing) .

6.) 08 Jul 2019 11:18:52
Is there corruption in Brazilian football (regardless of the event or competition being played)? Is there juice in an orange?

7.) 08 Jul 2019 16:30:06
I remember a story about a cop who walked on to the pitch and shot a player, back in the 60s i think. Wasnt an international tournament, or an international game. I think it was in argentina or brazil.



22 Jun 2019 23:56:53
If anyone wants to know what hard work and grafting is all about, then have a look at Brazil's second goal against Peru tonight. Classic Firmino. The GK goes to kick out the ball, Firmino blocks it with his leg 6 feet up in the air, back into hitting the post. The ball comes back to Firmino, he neatly sidesteps the GK and scores.


1.) 23 Jun 2019 07:16:58
You got it all wrong.
His white teeth blanked the keeper and he mirubbish the ball, only for him to show his kung fu skills and hit the post and then make a bunny out of the keeper by scoring without looking.
All his greatest skills in one move on display
Nope this ain't kung fu soccer script.




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16 Sep 2019 22:30:48
Everyone is panicking and chewing their fingernails again. We are Champions of Europe. We're altogether a different animal this year, more cohesive and certainly far more confident. Massive psychological difference when you're the champion of a tournament you're in, versus playing when you have lost the same tournament (and lost badly) the previous year.




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11 Sep 2019 19:56:27
Exactly Ed001. And as I said in my earlier reply. Why is this story coming out now when he has just joined a new club and yet the matter of discussion is over a year old? Clearly he sees Betis as a temporary stop on the way to greener pastures, and he's freshening up his "path" a little bit in the public's eye to be able to take the next step. And you're very right about the sweet words for LFC. Nobody else in their right mind would look so kindly on a club that changed it's mind at the last minute, and then which results on his value plummeting to one third of what it was earlier. It's just standard good PR, what he is doing. And certainly not 100% on the level.




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11 Sep 2019 08:58:04
Since when is anything said to the media for public consumption, 100% on the level? I rarely worry too much about content. Rather I always wonder about the timing, and why a story comes out when it does.




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28 Aug 2019 15:13:20
Yeah, let's talk about how many goals Glatzel will score in 3 years time when he takes over from Firmino.




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05 Aug 2019 11:39:29
It's tough being the starter, then losing your place and sitting on the bench for 2 years (first behind Karius then Alisson) . All the best to Migs. YNWA.





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22 Sep 2019 13:04:46
I doubt very much that the number of shirts sold will cover the difference in the financial package needed to be be given, between Neymar and Fati.




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22 Sep 2019 12:47:30
JK23, buddy, want to step outside for a minute so we can discuss your hilarious sense of humour, LOL? Or maybe we can address it in the live chat tonight. 😉.




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22 Sep 2019 12:42:39
I don't know. I have a sneaky feeling that Grujic has developed sufficiently enough to provide a valuable option in midfield. He may yet end up staying with us long-term despite all that has happened.




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21 Sep 2019 23:16:34
Sorry Ed001, but that kind of excuse can only be attributed to Ed025, LOL. He is clearly older than the club he supports and he can't hide it. 😂.


{Ed001's Note - don't be sorry, it just means you have no excuse.}



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21 Sep 2019 20:33:22
Right Ed. Thanks for the correction. i've even seen him play against us for Arsenal. Don't know what I was thinking. Copious liquid refreshments on a late Saturday night are undoubtedly helping.


{Ed001's Note - old age mate. We all suffer from it eventually.}