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27 Sep 2020 00:15:59
The inconsistency of officiating and the so called experts makes my blood boil.
Twice today against Utd Connolly had penalty shouts where he’d cut across in front of the defender and the natural running motion caused their legs to collide. He was adjudged to have initiated the contact and this was back up by the commentary team. Incidental contact I think they said.
Rewind to Liverpool v Chelsea and in the action of pulling back to shoot Werner clips Thiago’s leg as they cross over and everyone says it’s a definite penalty! How? Just like today he didn’t make a challenge and Werner actually kicked him as he pulled back to shoot!
I’m not saying it’s because of Liverpool before I get accused of whinging the Werner one didn’t matter anyway. I’m just saying it’s so inconsistent and I just don’t understand it.
The quality of officiating baffles me sometimes.

Beckers pecker

1.) 27 Sep 2020 02:01:54
Off topic, but want to share that I was surprised to see Thiago Silva given the armband (even before the blunder) . I know he is the most senior (given the age and experience), but he just joined and that was his first PL game. You guys feeling the same?

I mean, don't you think a captain should at least know the team mates quite well, understand each way of playing and stuffs? I doubt he managed to with such a short period of time.


2.) 27 Sep 2020 02:23:44
I was more baffled chelsea got 3 goal as it clearly touched havertz hand.


3.) 27 Sep 2020 02:24:18
Erratic decision making by officials has been going on for centuries. Tecnology hasn't made it any more accurate. Its just something we have to accept unfortunately. Mind you, it doesn't help when they bring in intricate nuances to fouls like offside and handball. It would be a lot easier to officiate if, for example, any ball and hand contact was an immediate free kick. Or if offside was offside regardless of being active in play or half a fingertip onside, etc.


4.) 27 Sep 2020 04:00:33
I was the only one asking why that was adjudged to be a clear penalty against Thiago. I said it wasn't a penalty last week and I think it wasn't a penalty against Connolly. He was throwing himself against United players and kidding the grass.


5.) 27 Sep 2020 06:18:11
Old Roy was royally pissed off. And i don't blame him. That is absolutely ridiculous. And Roy summed it up perfectly: if it's intentional or gains a massive advantage its handball, if the ball hits your arm unintentionally it's not. But that's subjective and var is trying to make things black or white, objectively.


6.) 27 Sep 2020 07:50:48
Every game has a penalty now. Get your bets on lads.


7.) 27 Sep 2020 08:23:20
I’d agree. I was also bemused to see United first goal stand as Maguire was trying to throw dunk out of the way. How was that not a foul?


8.) 27 Sep 2020 08:56:26
I h8 to admit it but utd winning pen was a stone Waller but on the other hand why was Chelsea 3rd goal not ruled out for handball against havertz? and to blame the standard of officiating is bad tell them either put up or rubbish up do it yourselves and see what it's like.


9.) 27 Sep 2020 09:59:34
I thought both of Aaron connolly's penalties should have stood tbh and was surprised the commentary backed up the refs decision (following var) .

As for the first penalty I was questioning a yellow card for Fernandes? It would have been his second and he would have been off.


10.) 27 Sep 2020 17:36:22
I think silva getting the armband shows Frank's naivety. He was a great attacking player but not as good defensively. Its like signing silva (in his mind) was the answer to all chelsea's defensive problems. Okay, you're a great defender, get my team defending. Not as easy as that Frank.


 

 

24 Jan 2020 22:55:53
I was working last night so couldn’t watch the game properly (had it my phone checking when I could) so I relied on people on this website to tell me how we played. My perception from your posts was that we played badly, got torn apart but managed to somehow dig in and get the win.

I’ve just watched the full game and I have to say I’m not sure what game half of you were watching. Wolves got in behind us a few times but that’s exactly what I expected. We hold high line you’d have to be stupid to think Traore wouldn’t get a few chances. Especially with them playing at home.

But for every chance they had we had a better chance.
We could’ve won the game a lot more comfortably but like the Utd game we didn’t take our chances and they got up a head of steam but by the end of the game we were back in control.

I thought we played very well. That Wolves team did the double over City this season I’m really not sure what some people expected. They’re a really good team with technically gifted players and pace in their side. Exactly the type of team that give top sides a run for their money as we leave space in behind and they have the ability in midfield and pace upfront to exploit it.

I know we are on this great run but we won’t go out and smash every team 3,4 or 5-0. Sometimes you come up against a good side who tests you and in those games you have to show the grit, determination and quality to come out on top and that’s exactly what we did.
Great performance in my eyes. YNWA.

Beckers pecker

1.) 25 Jan 2020 08:29:06
How long is Salah going to waste opportunities to score or set up a goal. It’s getting frustrating and must be annoying for the players. Will eventually cost us points. Not the best season for him but we’re top so I know I shouldn’t be pointing this out.


2.) 25 Jan 2020 09:08:14
Have to agree WM73. The man frustrates me so much this season by taking too many touches, holding up the ball too long, playing a poor heavy pass or just running in to a defender.
However just when I lose patience and start begging klopp to replace him he scores or assists!
Dont think he's been at his best tho along with Robertson for the last few games.


3.) 25 Jan 2020 09:43:20
We weren't at our best and still could have scored a few more goals, wolves were good and the boys had to dig deep and at one point I'd say most of us would have settled for a draw but it just showed what this team is about when we went on to score (a great goal, salah assist) and win.


4.) 25 Jan 2020 09:49:23
OP, I don't know those who were posting such posts that let you believe that we got torn apart cos I actually watch ALL of the game live and I did not get that impression. We did NOT steal anything in the game. We earned EVERYTHING fair and square. Wolves are a brilliant team and if anyone thought we would not struggle against them is completely deluded, uninformed or darn right arrogant. WE struggled massively that night and I was not surprised at all.

Wolves were the toughest opponent we have had this season, IMO and that was already clear in the first game at Anfield. They play great football and matched us strength for strength so it was normally for me, a game I expected. Our boys battled hard and overcame an injury to Mane and tho, we could have conceded had Allison not been brilliant BUT at the same time, Patricio Kept them in the game as well.

What I will say is that we wanted it more and got the goal our perseverance, desire, grit and fighting spirit deserved under difficult conditions vs a brilliant opponent so for me on that level, it was a great, warrior-like performance displayed by the Mental Giants from Merseyside.


5.) 25 Jan 2020 10:09:10
I really wouldn't rely on updates on here, lol especially not the live updates! We dug in and got the result. Probably even in terms of clear cut chances but from memory we really messed up some glorious chances in the box. I think the Mane injury game hurt us and we didn't adjust as well as we could hav in-game.


6.) 25 Jan 2020 11:19:52
Spot on, Faith.


7.) 25 Jan 2020 12:22:44
I think during the game you can get caught up in the emotion of the game. We are all so desperate to see us clinch 19 (or #1 if your from the blue side of liverpool) .
When wolves attacked there did feel that they had a genuine chance or creating an opportunity. I wouldn't say they carved us open but definitely a tough game, some of which due to poor decision making from us, again.


8.) 25 Jan 2020 14:59:59
WYred has called it right. I go to all our home games and watch most of the away games live on the box. Whenever I can, I watch a full 90 minutes plus recording of the game when the dust has settled a bit and I can take a more relaxed, analytical view of the game. Take away the uncertainty, the emotion and the tension of a live game of football and it is a very different experience indeed. This season in particular, I have often come home from a Liverpool game or finished watching a Liverpool game live on the box and thought it was a tough game which could have gone either way. Watching it again later, it is very often the case that the opposition had very few chances and it was a relatively comfortable win for the Reds. Watching live, I get panicky when the opposition cross the halfway line even though I have full confidence in VVD, Joe Gomez, Alisson and the rest. I guess it will need Liverpool to win a few PL titles before I am even a bit more relaxed watching us live, either at Anfield or on the box.


9.) 25 Jan 2020 16:13:41
WW, I fully agree with you about being nervous. For me, I'm over all that cos I expect that the opposition will have their moments which will cause us hairy moments. That is part of the game and as Klopp says, winning all these games in a row is not easy. We now have a team that I no longer fear for, one that even if we concede, I'm good cos I know we will ramp up the pressure and come out swinging after we concede so in the end, there is nothing to fear but fear itself, IMO.


10.) 25 Jan 2020 19:01:05
Red Meister, I suspect I may be a tad older than you and I have been watching The Mighty Reds for more than 50 years (I am probably even older than Ed025). In that time, of course, I have seen us win everything there is to win but I still get nervous about every single game we play. I am actually very nervous about tomorrow’s game against Shrewsbury although I am not even that bothered about the FA Cup. It is strange because I am a very optimistic, “glass half full” person normally but not when it comes to Liverpool. A psychologist could probably explain it but I can’t!


 

 

20 Oct 2019 23:51:39
I’ve replied to a couple of posts about the officiating today but wanted to make my own thread because I want to know if anyone else is feeling like I am.
Long story short I’m sick of it. I can take a ref missing a foul or handball or a linesman missing an offside it’s happened since football began and is part of the game.

What I can’t take is 4 people being paid to review decisions in slow motion at a number of different angles and still get it wrong. I’m not just talking about our game today, look at Spurs yesterday and countless decisions so far this season.
Wasn’t VAR supposed to give us a better quality of officiating? Isn’t that why we put up with the breaks in play and the awkward minute after every goal to see if we can celebrate or not?

It’s such a shame that at a point in time when the team I’ve loved since I was born in the 70’s is finally back to challenge at the top of the European game they are ruining the game with VAR. Don’t get me wrong it’s not the idea that’s bad it’s the imbeciles that run it.

I’m seriously at the point of turning my back on the Premier League and just supporting a local team because this just isn’t football anymore.

Beckers pecker

{Ed033's Note - You mean it's not cricket. :)


1.) 21 Oct 2019 00:40:42
I cannot stand VAR and what it does to the game of football but there were no errors made by the video ref. The onfield moron in the black was the one who messed a lot of decisions up. Awful refereeing.


2.) 21 Oct 2019 02:36:06
So surprised they didn't chalk off the goal lfc scored the way this officiating was going. Awful desicion by the refs clearly all in favour of man Utd. At the end of the day what is to be must be if we will win tje league it will hapoen never stop believing Ynwa.


3.) 21 Oct 2019 04:06:30
As has been alluded to before the VAR is used to back up the incompetency of the on field officials rather than make any actual meaningful change. Before the game ended I said to my friend something very similar to what Klopp said in his post match interview that VAR is good for factual, provable stuff (handballs, offside) but never seems to do anything about refereeing decisions except support them. We can't complain too much, as we have benefited from such calls as well (the Leicester penalty an example of a 50/ 50 decision going our way because the ref gave the penalty at first - I'm sure if he didn't give it initially VAR wouldn't of overturned it), but the VAR does feel like it is being used to support poor officiating, rather than to actually correct it.


4.) 21 Oct 2019 04:49:50
The problem with VAR is it’s becoming more and more common to play on with the view that VAR will go back and review if necessary (as with the foul on Origi) however the VAR ‘clear and obvious error’ means it’s almost impossible to overrule the referees original decision.

That means, than in effect where the ref would very likely have given a foul previously, the attacking team now gets the opportunity to play on and score instead.

There are also many times where offside is not being flagged (as they’ve been told not to do when it’s close call), it goes out for a corner and the attacking side gets another scoring chance whereas in the past the linesman would have flagged at least 70% of the time.

This has happened in Liverpool’s favour too, so it’s not about being for or against any team, it just seems clear to me that in certain situations the tendency to play on and let VAR check for mistakes later is creating very different outcomes and can work heavily against one team or the other due to the way it’s being used.


5.) 21 Oct 2019 05:49:20
Even forgetting VAR for one moment here’s one example of the sheer incompetence at times of the officials.

Fabinho booked for a tackle from behind. Less than two minutes later Rojo takes Fabinho out in a similar fashion and no booking.

The lack of consistency is ridiculous at times.


6.) 21 Oct 2019 07:15:04
I didn't think the ref was that bad. He made a mistake on the foul leading to their goal and as you say a booking not long after Fabinho. The VAR issue is frustrating, not just to Liverpool fans but to most fans. Its confusing and irritating, which I'm pretty sure its not what it's meant to be.
The bigger issue for me is why we where so flat? The fear of going to OT and our poor record there? Again we didn't get going, shame really.


7.) 21 Oct 2019 08:30:05
More than a shame Irish. The VAR and ref debate is not that important to me, just papering over the issues. The real debate as you say is why do we not turn up at OT. Firmino has played 6 times at OT and been below par in all of them. Robbo and Fabs both froze. Hendo and Gini were exposed in the sense that Man U matched or bettered their work rate and then there is very little left. Milner not playing was a terrible decision from Klopp, he learn't nothing from our last visit to OT. Get Milner in midfield they would't bully him. Gini and Hendo just played 2 internationals.

We spent the first half hoofing the ball from back to front. Until the last 15 minutes we never put 5 passes together. It will be really interesting to see who Klopp picks to start agains't Spurs.


8.) 21 Oct 2019 08:19:10
I think you watched a different game then Irish. The ref even stopped the games for James injury when Liverpool had the ball but played on when he had a head injury and Utd had the ball.

{Ed025's Note - that did happen denzil, but irish was right when he said liverpool were flat from the start, you can blame the ref all you want and yes he was awful, but you cant get away from the fact liverpool never turned up mate..


9.) 21 Oct 2019 08:42:53
The problem with VAR is two-fold (and exactly as JK pointed out post-game) . When certain incidents occur in games referees are now thinking "VAR will pull it back if I've made an obvious error. " so they don't follow their immediate feeling to award a free-kick, penalty, card or whatever but the bar has been set so high by the premiership for instances of "obvious errors" that the video officials tend not to overrule or recommend an overrule. What is worse they have made absolutely zero use of pitch-side monitors even though they're available. Yesterday, they merely had to recommend that Martin Atkinson look at the foul in the Man United goal build-up at the pitch-side monitor. If he then awarded a goal we immediately know he didn't feel the kick in the shin was sufficient and we live (and moan) with the decision BUT right now it feels like they are avoiding making decisions which actually defeats the purpose of the introduction of VAR in the first place.

{Ed025's Note - its an absolute joke reynard, for me it should be suspended until they figure out a way to implement it properly mate..


10.) 21 Oct 2019 08:43:52
There were 3 occasions Wassa when Utd players cynically stopped attacks exactly as Fabinho did yet no yellow cards.
Also I’ll tell you what, Mane’s goal was handball and VAR got that right. However, had it been Lindelof that handled the ball and the ref not give a pen you can guarantee that VAR wouldn’t have overruled it.
It seems it only works for handballs and offsides IF a goal is scored. I go back to City’s goal against Spurs when Laporte was adjudged to have handballed it in the build up. The guy jumped for a header and it flicked off his arm! Never a handball and would never be given against the defending team.
VAR was supposed to clear up the officiating in the game and give us correct decisions more often but for me it’s had the opposite effect. I have never felt so cheated in all the time I’ve been watching or playing football.


11.) 21 Oct 2019 09:51:36
I couldn't agree more Ed025 mate. Ed001 has been banging on about the obvious problems with it for quite some time but I must admit I was baffled they introduced it without sufficient thought for how it might influence the referee and pitch-side officials, let alone how they might proceed to overrule. There is no proper guidance on when to overrule and when not, "Setting the bar high" is not a protocol, it's an excuse and has made a sham of the introduction of VAR.

{Ed025's Note - your dead right reynard, referees are becoming complacent thinking that VAR will bale them out if they make a mistake, all its doing though is compounding the fact that the standard of refereeing is abysmal and relegation as well as winning championships will be decided in a studio rather than on the pitch, suspend it until they get it right i say as its ruining the game mate..


12.) 21 Oct 2019 10:13:08
Ed25 I agree. The one I feel sorry for is the watford fans. They really needed those points and they where robbed by a bad ref call and VAR.

3 points for them could seem them go on one of those runs they do.

{Ed025's Note - your right HRP and the loss of them 2 points could actually result in them getting relegated and thats my point, its a bloody joke mate..


13.) 21 Oct 2019 12:45:14
We what know what VAR is there fore in England. It is NOT there to correct human errors on the pitch. It is there to protect the on the pitch from being held accountable for his clear human errors, due to this pathetic "clear and obvious" nonsense. No other league in the big 5 leagues in Europe has that pathetic rule. Refs are actually allowed to go see the monitor and judge for themselves so that way, the center ref has the final say. In England, the refs are not even allowed to see the images themselves and get the final say. And we wonder why VAR is useless in the PL.

Now regarding the ref's perf., he was horrible and again, I can take a ref. making this a mistake here and there on both teams BUT this was not it. Our players were being penalized and carded for the very same things utd players were doing and did not get carded. Rojo alone should have been carded for his challenge on Fab and in another incident, blasting the ball against Lallana when he is on the ground after being chopped down by Young. Young for chopping Lallana down from behind either. Not a card for clear time-wasting on their side etc. Sorry, Atkinson may not be biased BUT his rank incompetence seemed to favor one team majority of the time. Peace.

{Ed025's Note - i agree with all that redwolf..


14.) 21 Oct 2019 14:49:28
Well said Redwolf. I actually felt there were ref decisions that went against United too. I don't believe there was bias but the ref was poor and unfortunately it wasn't in our favour. This being said, I wonder how many of us will complain when the shoe is on the other foot.


15.) 21 Oct 2019 15:40:22
LRG, I try to be consistent in this case. If that happened to LFC as you say and as a former athlete, I would be livid and would admit that the ref was poor cos I know exactly how it feels when the ref is having such a stinker that you thought the game was fixed. At times, that was what it felt like cos the unfairness was just too blatant to ignore or just class under the "incompetence" cupboard. Incompetence is rampant in the PL BUT this was what it. It was "incompetence" that was clearly benefiting the pother team. That would never fly with me, mate.


 

 

04 Jun 2019 22:52:01
It really is crazy how far we’ve come in such a short space of time. I’ve just realised I watched the CL final 2 years ago between Juve and Real Madrid in a bar in Puerto Banus just thinking how big the occasion was and not even daring to think we could get back to that level any time soon.
Since then we’ve been runners up and winners.
It’s absolutely mental the progression this team and club have made since Klopp arrived.
True European Royalty. YNWA.

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01 Jun 2019 13:43:38
RIP Jose Antonio Reyes. Such sad news and only 35 years old. Puts today into context. YNWA.

Beckers pecker

1.) 01 Jun 2019 13:48:09
Well said 🙏🏻.


2.) 01 Jun 2019 14:43:39
Tragic. Thoughts and prayers with his young family.


3.) 01 Jun 2019 15:21:21
Sad news thoughts are with his family.


4.) 01 Jun 2019 16:22:47
Just learned about this dreadful story. RIP, Jose Antonio Reyes. May the Good Man above give his family and friends the fortitude to bear this horrible loss.


 

 

 

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23 Oct 2020 00:14:01
Ed2 talked about naivety and I agree. Too many are stuck in the past and want the owners to be ‘fans’ who are happy to lose money as long as the team is successful.
I’m sorry guys that just doesn’t exist anymore. Even Chelsea and City’s Uber rich owners have invested in the infrastructure of the clubs to increase revenue to make it sustainable and make a profit.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with any owner trying to maximise their investment because in order to do that you need a successful, profitable business which is what all of us fans want too.
Maybe on this occasion they are barking up the wrong tree but as a business owner myself I know that you are constantly thinking or new ways to increase profit and reduce overheads. You might have loads of ideas running at the same time, some come to fruition and some don’t but that doesn’t mean you just stop trying to progress.

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17 Oct 2020 09:54:41
Exactly Irish. If we’d kept hold of him we’d be accused of blocking his career. You really can’t win.
Unfortunately at all clubs the vast majority of promising youngsters don’t end up being good enough for the first team, especially at the top of the premier league.

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16 Oct 2020 19:57:15
The game is about money. If you don’t like that then don’t put your own money into it.
It’s quite honestly ridiculous for anyone to lambast owners of a premier league football club for trying to look after their investment and yes, make money.
We all have this romantic notion that the club is ours because our great grandparents stood on the terraces paying at the turnstiles. Those days are well and truly gone I’m afraid.
But hey it’s given the usual bitters another chance to call Liverpool the devil’s club just because no matter how much money they throw at it they’ll never get near us.

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07 Oct 2020 17:43:12
Why in a post that’s talking about Grujic do we have people slagging off Keita? Ridiculous.

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05 Oct 2020 14:55:05
I love how we never bid enough for players when ‘we know the price so should just pay it’ but when we value a player higher than a buying club wants to pay we ‘are pricing him out of a move’.
If HB want Grujic it’s more than possible for them to sign him. Just pay the asking price. Our actions have nothing to do with him not going there it’s the fact that they don’t want him enough to pay the price we’ve quoted.

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28 Oct 2020 11:22:46
JK why can’t Gomez play every game? We are likely talking about a few weeks until Fabinho is back I’m sure Joe can play every game for a few weeks as he probably would’ve done anyway. You’re talking like Fabinho is out for the season or something.
As I understand it Matip could be back for Saturday too so, barring any more injuries we should never have any need to play 2 kids or Hendo there.
Let’s not panic we also have Thiago nearing fitness who is a calming influence in front of the CBs so I’m sure we’ll be able to cope.

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25 Oct 2020 01:43:19
WM it’s only handball if your arm is in an unnatural position and Robbo’s wasn’t so that’s not a pen.
The Jota one he pulled his leg away and the player was looking for it so it’s far from stonewall but there looked to be slight contact so if they’d given it we could have no complaints.
The one they did give had 2 things wrong with it that I thought were a prerequisite for awarding a pen. 1, it wasn’t a foul and 2, it wasn’t in the box. It baffles me how someone can look at that over and over in slow motion and freeze frame and say yeah, that’s a penalty. It was as far away from a penalty as you can possibly get.
It’s worrying how inept these officials are.

Beckers pecker

{Ed0666's Note - I thought we got away with one with Jota. I thought that was more of a penalty than not. The Fabinho one that was a penalty is bordering on corruption.


 

 

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24 Oct 2020 22:28:04
That VAR decision was absolutely ridiculous. I’ve watched it a good 20 times and it’s hard to tell but it looks outside the box more than on the line. Added to that it wasn’t even a foul! He got the ball cleanly and the player fell over his foot after he’d cleared the ball! Great tackle.
How can a so called qualified ref look at that in slow motion time and time again and give a penalty? I’m utterly shocked at how bad VAR is. It’s an absolute farce!
Then there was Jota’s which would’ve been soft but we couldn’t have argued about it as he did clip him and VAR says no penalty?!
They are making it worse instead of better purely because they have no clue what they are doing!

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20 Oct 2020 13:05:57
Robbie you are not taking into account the influence he could have off the pitch. He’s part of the squad and you could argue he will have to work harder than anyone over the next 6 months whilst supporting the rest of the squad at the same time.
Klopp always argues that all players in the squad have an influence on match days whether they play or not by their attitude and the way they train.
What did he say? You don’t get to play like we do without training as hard as we do. That’s not just the first eleven but that has to run throughout the squad.

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20 Oct 2020 08:36:41
Hey look nobody is doubting the effect VVD has had on this team since he arrived but this team has won more than it did before he arrived and is better than it was back then.
The players around VVD have grown into better players, Trent, Robbo, Fabinho, Gomez, Ali, Hendo, Wijnaldum these are all better players now than they were 3 years ago so all this thought about us going back to how we were is nonsense.
We can still win things without VVD you should never get sucked in to the media hype.
As for Virgil getting a medal he’s in for a long, tough recovery so I hope the boys get the job done for him and he will deserve the medal as much as any of the squad.

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