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20 Oct 2019 23:51:39
I’ve replied to a couple of posts about the officiating today but wanted to make my own thread because I want to know if anyone else is feeling like I am.
Long story short I’m sick of it. I can take a ref missing a foul or handball or a linesman missing an offside it’s happened since football began and is part of the game.

What I can’t take is 4 people being paid to review decisions in slow motion at a number of different angles and still get it wrong. I’m not just talking about our game today, look at Spurs yesterday and countless decisions so far this season.
Wasn’t VAR supposed to give us a better quality of officiating? Isn’t that why we put up with the breaks in play and the awkward minute after every goal to see if we can celebrate or not?

It’s such a shame that at a point in time when the team I’ve loved since I was born in the 70’s is finally back to challenge at the top of the European game they are ruining the game with VAR. Don’t get me wrong it’s not the idea that’s bad it’s the imbeciles that run it.

I’m seriously at the point of turning my back on the Premier League and just supporting a local team because this just isn’t football anymore.

Beckers pecker

{Ed033's Note - You mean it's not cricket. :)

1.) 21 Oct 2019 00:40:42
I cannot stand VAR and what it does to the game of football but there were no errors made by the video ref. The onfield moron in the black was the one who messed a lot of decisions up. Awful refereeing.

2.) 21 Oct 2019 02:36:06
So surprised they didn't chalk off the goal lfc scored the way this officiating was going. Awful desicion by the refs clearly all in favour of man Utd. At the end of the day what is to be must be if we will win tje league it will hapoen never stop believing Ynwa.

3.) 21 Oct 2019 04:06:30
As has been alluded to before the VAR is used to back up the incompetency of the on field officials rather than make any actual meaningful change. Before the game ended I said to my friend something very similar to what Klopp said in his post match interview that VAR is good for factual, provable stuff (handballs, offside) but never seems to do anything about refereeing decisions except support them. We can't complain too much, as we have benefited from such calls as well (the Leicester penalty an example of a 50/ 50 decision going our way because the ref gave the penalty at first - I'm sure if he didn't give it initially VAR wouldn't of overturned it), but the VAR does feel like it is being used to support poor officiating, rather than to actually correct it.

4.) 21 Oct 2019 04:49:50
The problem with VAR is it’s becoming more and more common to play on with the view that VAR will go back and review if necessary (as with the foul on Origi) however the VAR ‘clear and obvious error’ means it’s almost impossible to overrule the referees original decision.

That means, than in effect where the ref would very likely have given a foul previously, the attacking team now gets the opportunity to play on and score instead.

There are also many times where offside is not being flagged (as they’ve been told not to do when it’s close call), it goes out for a corner and the attacking side gets another scoring chance whereas in the past the linesman would have flagged at least 70% of the time.

This has happened in Liverpool’s favour too, so it’s not about being for or against any team, it just seems clear to me that in certain situations the tendency to play on and let VAR check for mistakes later is creating very different outcomes and can work heavily against one team or the other due to the way it’s being used.

5.) 21 Oct 2019 05:49:20
Even forgetting VAR for one moment here’s one example of the sheer incompetence at times of the officials.

Fabinho booked for a tackle from behind. Less than two minutes later Rojo takes Fabinho out in a similar fashion and no booking.

The lack of consistency is ridiculous at times.

6.) 21 Oct 2019 07:15:04
I didn't think the ref was that bad. He made a mistake on the foul leading to their goal and as you say a booking not long after Fabinho. The VAR issue is frustrating, not just to Liverpool fans but to most fans. Its confusing and irritating, which I'm pretty sure its not what it's meant to be.
The bigger issue for me is why we where so flat? The fear of going to OT and our poor record there? Again we didn't get going, shame really.

7.) 21 Oct 2019 08:30:05
More than a shame Irish. The VAR and ref debate is not that important to me, just papering over the issues. The real debate as you say is why do we not turn up at OT. Firmino has played 6 times at OT and been below par in all of them. Robbo and Fabs both froze. Hendo and Gini were exposed in the sense that Man U matched or bettered their work rate and then there is very little left. Milner not playing was a terrible decision from Klopp, he learn't nothing from our last visit to OT. Get Milner in midfield they would't bully him. Gini and Hendo just played 2 internationals.

We spent the first half hoofing the ball from back to front. Until the last 15 minutes we never put 5 passes together. It will be really interesting to see who Klopp picks to start agains't Spurs.

8.) 21 Oct 2019 08:19:10
I think you watched a different game then Irish. The ref even stopped the games for James injury when Liverpool had the ball but played on when he had a head injury and Utd had the ball.

{Ed025's Note - that did happen denzil, but irish was right when he said liverpool were flat from the start, you can blame the ref all you want and yes he was awful, but you cant get away from the fact liverpool never turned up mate..

9.) 21 Oct 2019 08:42:53
The problem with VAR is two-fold (and exactly as JK pointed out post-game) . When certain incidents occur in games referees are now thinking "VAR will pull it back if I've made an obvious error. " so they don't follow their immediate feeling to award a free-kick, penalty, card or whatever but the bar has been set so high by the premiership for instances of "obvious errors" that the video officials tend not to overrule or recommend an overrule. What is worse they have made absolutely zero use of pitch-side monitors even though they're available. Yesterday, they merely had to recommend that Martin Atkinson look at the foul in the Man United goal build-up at the pitch-side monitor. If he then awarded a goal we immediately know he didn't feel the kick in the shin was sufficient and we live (and moan) with the decision BUT right now it feels like they are avoiding making decisions which actually defeats the purpose of the introduction of VAR in the first place.

{Ed025's Note - its an absolute joke reynard, for me it should be suspended until they figure out a way to implement it properly mate..

10.) 21 Oct 2019 08:43:52
There were 3 occasions Wassa when Utd players cynically stopped attacks exactly as Fabinho did yet no yellow cards.
Also I’ll tell you what, Mane’s goal was handball and VAR got that right. However, had it been Lindelof that handled the ball and the ref not give a pen you can guarantee that VAR wouldn’t have overruled it.
It seems it only works for handballs and offsides IF a goal is scored. I go back to City’s goal against Spurs when Laporte was adjudged to have handballed it in the build up. The guy jumped for a header and it flicked off his arm! Never a handball and would never be given against the defending team.
VAR was supposed to clear up the officiating in the game and give us correct decisions more often but for me it’s had the opposite effect. I have never felt so cheated in all the time I’ve been watching or playing football.

11.) 21 Oct 2019 09:51:36
I couldn't agree more Ed025 mate. Ed001 has been banging on about the obvious problems with it for quite some time but I must admit I was baffled they introduced it without sufficient thought for how it might influence the referee and pitch-side officials, let alone how they might proceed to overrule. There is no proper guidance on when to overrule and when not, "Setting the bar high" is not a protocol, it's an excuse and has made a sham of the introduction of VAR.

{Ed025's Note - your dead right reynard, referees are becoming complacent thinking that VAR will bale them out if they make a mistake, all its doing though is compounding the fact that the standard of refereeing is abysmal and relegation as well as winning championships will be decided in a studio rather than on the pitch, suspend it until they get it right i say as its ruining the game mate..

12.) 21 Oct 2019 10:13:08
Ed25 I agree. The one I feel sorry for is the watford fans. They really needed those points and they where robbed by a bad ref call and VAR.

3 points for them could seem them go on one of those runs they do.

{Ed025's Note - your right HRP and the loss of them 2 points could actually result in them getting relegated and thats my point, its a bloody joke mate..

13.) 21 Oct 2019 12:45:14
We what know what VAR is there fore in England. It is NOT there to correct human errors on the pitch. It is there to protect the on the pitch from being held accountable for his clear human errors, due to this pathetic "clear and obvious" nonsense. No other league in the big 5 leagues in Europe has that pathetic rule. Refs are actually allowed to go see the monitor and judge for themselves so that way, the center ref has the final say. In England, the refs are not even allowed to see the images themselves and get the final say. And we wonder why VAR is useless in the PL.

Now regarding the ref's perf., he was horrible and again, I can take a ref. making this a mistake here and there on both teams BUT this was not it. Our players were being penalized and carded for the very same things utd players were doing and did not get carded. Rojo alone should have been carded for his challenge on Fab and in another incident, blasting the ball against Lallana when he is on the ground after being chopped down by Young. Young for chopping Lallana down from behind either. Not a card for clear time-wasting on their side etc. Sorry, Atkinson may not be biased BUT his rank incompetence seemed to favor one team majority of the time. Peace.

{Ed025's Note - i agree with all that redwolf..

14.) 21 Oct 2019 14:49:28
Well said Redwolf. I actually felt there were ref decisions that went against United too. I don't believe there was bias but the ref was poor and unfortunately it wasn't in our favour. This being said, I wonder how many of us will complain when the shoe is on the other foot.

15.) 21 Oct 2019 15:40:22
LRG, I try to be consistent in this case. If that happened to LFC as you say and as a former athlete, I would be livid and would admit that the ref was poor cos I know exactly how it feels when the ref is having such a stinker that you thought the game was fixed. At times, that was what it felt like cos the unfairness was just too blatant to ignore or just class under the "incompetence" cupboard. Incompetence is rampant in the PL BUT this was what it. It was "incompetence" that was clearly benefiting the pother team. That would never fly with me, mate.



04 Jun 2019 22:52:01
It really is crazy how far we’ve come in such a short space of time. I’ve just realised I watched the CL final 2 years ago between Juve and Real Madrid in a bar in Puerto Banus just thinking how big the occasion was and not even daring to think we could get back to that level any time soon.
Since then we’ve been runners up and winners.
It’s absolutely mental the progression this team and club have made since Klopp arrived.
True European Royalty. YNWA.

Beckers pecker



01 Jun 2019 13:43:38
RIP Jose Antonio Reyes. Such sad news and only 35 years old. Puts today into context. YNWA.

Beckers pecker

1.) 01 Jun 2019 13:48:09
Well said 🙏🏻.

2.) 01 Jun 2019 14:43:39
Tragic. Thoughts and prayers with his young family.

3.) 01 Jun 2019 15:21:21
Sad news thoughts are with his family.

4.) 01 Jun 2019 16:22:47
Just learned about this dreadful story. RIP, Jose Antonio Reyes. May the Good Man above give his family and friends the fortitude to bear this horrible loss.



01 Jun 2019 00:33:29
Anyone worrying about Spurs being a good side let me put your minds at rest. Since the start of February they have lost to Burnley, Chelsea, Southampton, Liverpool, West Ham, Man City and Bournemouth. They also lost at home to Ajax and away to City in the CL although went through on sway goals in both ties.
That’s 9 defeats.
Liverpool have lost 1 game since the start of February away at Barcelona and we all know what happened there.
Yes Spurs are a good side and can beat anyone on their day but they are just as capable of losing to anyone on their day too.
Have faith, we’ve got this.

Beckers pecker

1.) 01 Jun 2019 06:12:37
We have got this indeed mate, my god I can't bloody wait!

{Ed001's Note - I wish you two would stop jinxing us!}

2.) 01 Jun 2019 06:44:10
Anfield Stadium postcode
L4 0TH

Just saying 😀.

3.) 01 Jun 2019 06:58:02
If the game followed straight on from the end of the season then I would be more confident.

But with this little mini break we could see anything happen.

4.) 01 Jun 2019 07:20:29
It’s football anything can happen no guarantees I’m afraid
Up the pool.

5.) 01 Jun 2019 07:30:02
I believe we can win but don’t believe for a second it’s a certainty. Spurs are a really good side and have never got this far, those players have the ability to become legends for spurs. If we underestimate them we lose. We need to approach it like every other must win game this season and hopefully it’ll be enough to see us through.

6.) 01 Jun 2019 07:48:06
I can't believe I'm reading this.

Are you serious? Never talk like that. Ever.

It's not confidence but stupidity.

It's a final. 1 game. Form out of the window. Every player both sides will have an extra 50%.

7.) 01 Jun 2019 08:38:45
Unfortunately, stupidity seems to be a common theme around some Liverpool fans 😂.

8.) 01 Jun 2019 06:30:02
Hahaha, no fear Ed mate :) . To be honest though we must be careful, there's one way Spurs will win tonight and it's in their dreams ;) . Bring them on!

On a serious note, I'm gradually getting more nervous then I was now the day is here, this is a must win for us, come on Liverpool, please, come on!

9.) 01 Jun 2019 09:28:07
If we were in spurs boots we would be amping to take liverpool out and fully believing it would happen. oh, kinda like last season. anything can happen and what is for sure will be that whatever has already happened won't influence tonight!

10.) 01 Jun 2019 09:43:37
Yeah your post comes to mind pino.

11.) 01 Jun 2019 13:15:42
Coming from the poster who said Liverpool would win the league back in December and disappeared when they didn’t. You really are a plonker lol.

12.) 01 Jun 2019 13:30:41
No harm in believing pino, it's just managing the line between being respectful and arrogant. What is the point of being downbeat though we are in our second successive final and in a third European final under klopp. I believe we can win but I don't expect we will win, complacency of an expectation of winning will practically give it to spurs. Tonight is the biggest game in their recent history, tonight will not be easy but at our best I know we can do it.

13.) 01 Jun 2019 14:06:47
I agree WYred, I don’t have any problem with anyone who thinks we will win tonight but if anyone thinks we will smash them is just deluded! Any team that reaches a champions league final deserves to be respected and must not be taken for granted. I’m really looking forward to the game and hopefully we can go one step further than last year!
People on this site criticized Real Madrid for not showing respect for Liverpool last year and those exact posters are doing the same thing to Spurs!

14.) 01 Jun 2019 14:50:52
Spot on mate, no one gets to a final who a) doesn't deserve it or b) isn't good enough. Take these spurs lot seriously and what will be will be. but above all be respectful to our opponents nothing worse then taking a team for granted, ask ac Milan who were passing out the congratulations at half time.




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02 Nov 2019 23:51:46
Fully agree with that Har. It’s not like we’re holding him hostage against his will. He’s being paid to be a member of one of the best squads in world football. Why on earth would he want to go out on loan?
His focus should be on learning exactly the way the manager wants him to play and working so hard at it that he can’t be ignored. The fact Klopp wants him to stay around puts him at an advantage to the likes of Grujic as he’ll have to adapt if and when he comes back.
I’d also say that if he starts to throw his toys out and wants to move due to lack of playing time he’s not got the required character to make it at the top anyway.

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31 Aug 2019 23:46:28
For once I’m with Ed25 on this. Lovren is not a very good defender. He’s a decent 4th choice but one that you hope you never have to use.

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07 Aug 2019 09:51:13
Spurs won’t be challenging anyone. They will finish 4th or 5th.
Dybala is an accident waiting to happen, why do you think Juventus are so keen to get shot of him?

Stop panicking just because we haven’t splashed the cash on this player or that. We have a squad capable of getting to 2 yes 2 Champions League finals in a row and finished with 97pts last season.
All apart from City are so far behind us it will take more than a couple of players for them to catch up.

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23 Jul 2019 09:32:13
A first team player for us or someone who is currently in the first team of someone else?
I think we can park that in the ‘wishy washy’ category.

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20 Jul 2019 1212:39:21
But we are Liverpool Ed. Sitting on our bench is surely preferable to playing for a second rate Spanish team or the other 3 English teams?
Or perhaps the guy has a bit of professional pride and backs himself to displace Robbo and play for the European Champions?
Or perhaps you are correct and any decent player wouldn’t possibly consider joining Liverpool because all of our spaces are already filled.
Who knows?

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08 Dec 2019 18:52:26
I know we shouldn’t count our chickens and all that but if this was another team not Liverpool in the position we are in we’d all be saying they won’t be caught.
The team needs to stay grounded and keep doing what they’re doing of course the PL is unforgiving and the slightest drop off could leave the door ajar for City and they are capable of bursting through it.
As fans though I don’t see anything wrong with being confident. I have massive faith in Klopp and this team that they won’t let their standards slip and if they don’t then the league is won.

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07 Dec 2019 23:56:09
Hailstones do you think we will finish with more than 90 points this season? I do.
There is honestly no way on this earth that Leicester will finish with more than 85 points never mind 90! They won the league with 80 points with no one else playing so against a strong City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs they have no chance whatsoever.
City are the main rivals and they have massively dropped the ball. I really can’t see them catching us now. We’d have to lose 5 games or draw 8 out of 22. We’ve lost 1 in 50 odd! That’s if they win every game!
If we should ever have confidence in this team it should be now. We have rotated and still won easily. We are scoring goals from midfield which was always apparently a weakness. I’m not saying we’ve won it already but realistically it’s in the bag. Surely everyone feels that?

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05 Dec 2019 15:33:47
Divvy23! Love it! Congrats Robbie!

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05 Dec 2019 01:30:19
He does but so do a lot of players to boost their profile. With him though I really think he means it. I’ve met all of the current squad and he really did stand out as the one who didn’t know just what a superstar he is. Just a normal kid with a big talent and a big heart. I honestly couldn’t speak too highly of him and his character. Top, top bloke. Wherever he ends up in his career I will honestly follow and support him because true gentlemen are so hard to come by in this sport.

Beckers pecker

{Ed0666's Note - I’m glad you’re eulogizing about Sadio as a human being mate because he really does deserve the accolades. The sacrifices that him and his family have made for him to become a professional footballer are immense. He deserves his place at the top table.



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05 Dec 2019 01:15:14
Thanks SW appreciate your post on here given your current struggles. Hope you can sort it out and silence those deluded spurs fans!
On Mane I have had the privilege to meet him a couple of times and he really is the most humble and sweet guy you could ever wish to meet. He’s so thankful and appreciative of what he has which is a breath of fresh air in this day and age of footballers thinking they are world superstars. He is anything but. Great, great guy.

Beckers pecker

{Ed0666's Note - Also does a heck of a lot for charity as well mate.