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12 Nov 2023 17:00:28
Anthony Taylor and his VAR friends have very kindly confirmed the answer to a question I posed last week.
It seems grabbing someone in the box IS only a foul when it’s happens against Man City.
It’s as I suspected, thanks for the confirmation guys.
1.) 12 Nov 2023 17:05:49
I give up . @ Becker
I called it last week the cheating crabs in Manchester have surely influenced the refs in this league I can’t see how it can happen every other week and people still think it’s a human error what a crock of turd .
2.) 12 Nov 2023 17:14:19
Let’s see if theirs another dubious decision 2nd half in city’s favour .
3.) 12 Nov 2023 17:17:51
Posted the same thing mate. Man City are a top side and Do Not need this obvious Bias they get in each game every week from officials and VAR.
4.) 12 Nov 2023 17:34:47
It pays to have the refs moonlighting in the UAE.
5.) 12 Nov 2023 18:29:07
How’s your conspiracy theory looking now lads? It’s fixed I tell ya ??.
{Ed014's Note - way too many conspiracy theorists on here! ?♂️?
6.) 12 Nov 2023 18:40:11
The ref must of had 4-4 on his bet slip ed14 ??.
{Ed014's Note - ? I hadn’t thought of that!
7.) 12 Nov 2023 22:21:52
Thought Chelsea deserved it. I don’t see all the adulation city are getting I thought they was jammy. And the amount of pushing the do then wave arms to say get up lost count of the blatant free kicks should of went against them in that game. Nothing better than seeing pep with a tit on when things aren’t going there way.
8.) 12 Nov 2023 23:53:49
All we want is consistency. City are being given penalties in the same situations that nobody else is getting them. Should we all just keep quiet and act like what we are seeing is not what is happening?
9.) 12 Nov 2023 23:55:56
100% Dhfc. "human error". whatever.
08 Oct 2023 22:26:01
I watched the Arse/ Citeh game today and I have to say I don’t think Kovacic’s first tackle was a red. It’s a bad yellow all day long, an orange if you will.
Also the second foul probably was a yellow but I can understand a ref not giving it as we all want to see 11v11 so the bar is usually higher for a second yellow. It’s the way the game has always been.
Here’s my problem.
Kovacic’s tackle was MUCH more dangerous and premeditated than Curtis Jones’s was. He was nowhere near the ball and jumped into the tackle from distance. Jones’s was a yellow, he caught the guy but there was zero intent and zero force in the tackle. Plus he got the ball and the rest is incidental contact.
The second Kovacic tackle was MUCH more a yellow than Jota’s second yellow. Again he’s jumped in, nowhere near the ball and caught Rice on the foot. Jota slid in stupidly but pulled his leg away before contact was made and Udogie dived.
The worrying thing is that we appealed Jones’s red and were told no, that tackle constitutes a red card tackle. So there’s your bar.
So if the bar is set that low and confirmed by an appeal panel then how on earth has Kovacic not got a red card for that first tackle. Likewise if the bar is so low for a second yellow that intent without contact is a yellow card then how on earth has Kovacic not received a second yellow for the foul on Rice?
It’s things like this that make you question the integrity in the game. It’s things like this that suck the fun and enjoyment from the game.
I still feel really low after what I witnessed last week. Not so much because we lost a game so unfairly but more because I’ve loved football all my life and i can feel my enjoyment of the game waining. When officials can have such huge impacts on who wins and who loses then what’s the point?
I really hope I get my mojo back because football has been such a massive part of my life since I can remember. I am massively passionate about Liverpool FC and have had some of the best times of my life standing (yes I’m old) and sitting on the terraces in that wonderful stadium.
At the moment though the officials are completely ruining the game and it just doesn’t seem like a level playing field anymore.
1.) 08 Oct 2023 23:51:11
Guimaraes was also very similar for Newcastle today, 90 seconds afer getting a yellow he was in late again and also stopping a counter attack. Earlier in the game, West Ham had a player booked for waving a card to the ref, Newcastle does the same thing shortly after and nothing.
2.) 08 Oct 2023 23:53:39
I feel exactly the same, a way I never ever thought I would feel about football but its dying for me. No enjoyment from it anymore, too many questions about things, greedy people exploiting it for as much as they can and media coverage that creates a circus around every little detail.
It's not even a sport anymore in my eyes, just another transaction of life that drains your soul for becoming too involved in it.
3.) 09 Oct 2023 01:45:47
I’m same boat as you GBB, lost a lot of passion for what was a great game.
4.) 09 Oct 2023 09:04:40
It’s like it’s become over regulated like so much in our world today.
The officials just have too much power and the fact they they are trying to argue it was right to follow some protocol instead of stopping the game to give a goal that they had just confirmed as a legal goal speaks volumes.
If their priority is not to make sure the decisions they give are correct then why are they there? To make sure the games go the way they are told perhaps?
Maybe, maybe not but there is enough doubt for it to be a real possibility.
5.) 09 Oct 2023 11:34:50
"Also the second foul probably was a yellow but I can understand a ref not giving it as we all want to see 11v11 so the bar is usually higher for a second yellow. It’s the way the game has always been. "
And this is the problem, @BP. The above is NOT part of any rule in football yet some refs are enforcing it as if it is. Same with the card waving and kicking the ball away nonsense. Those seem to get enforced when it suits the refs to do so as well hence, some teams get punished while other the teams get off, many times in the same game. Nobody cares about the integrity of the game anymore. Pathetic.
03 Oct 2023
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1.) 03 Oct 2023 09:07:04
BP, at least these guys were actually at their desks in front of their computers. I am not even sure we can say the same for Darren England and Dan Cook.
2.) 03 Oct 2023 09:56:21
Oli I don’t believe the cock and bull story the PGMOL have given us.
I would’ve much preferred them to say we checked it but didn’t put the lines up as the angle we had it looked offside with the naked eye. At least that would be remotely believable.
It’s like Dominic Cummins saying he put his kids in the car and drove to Warwick Castle to check his eyesight or Boris Johnson saying he had no idea there was a party going on outside his window.
They’re insulting our intelligence with this explanation and it just shows how corrupt they actually are.
3.) 03 Oct 2023 10:52:11
I think it's the opposite, Beckers.
They thought the on-field decision was 'Goal'.
Therefore, the believable scenario is that they put the still up, could see with the naked eye that it was onside, thought the ref had said Goal and therefore said "check complete" as they could easily see that it was a goal.
The massive cock up is that neither the ref nor the VAR asked the other one "did you say that was a goal or offside" - complete misunderstanding.
4.) 03 Oct 2023 11:21:28
And then the realisation when Spurs restarted the game with free kick in their own half and not by kicking off on the half way line ?.
They could have reacted then! They stop the game when the ball hits the ref, the ball is too soft, someone rubs the back of their head, so why not when a goal has been scored?
"Whoa, whoa, Hooperman, it was a goal not offside. Stop the game, check incomplete".
It was unbelievably negligent!
5.) 03 Oct 2023 12:32:06
Rigsby, clearly they can't do that cos "Howard Webb will come down on us form not following protocol of stopping the game after play resumes" (something they do all the time, btw) cos obv. that's more important than actually get the initial injustice right. This is the type of abject stupidity we are being afflicted with on a weekly basis.
6.) 03 Oct 2023 13:00:07
Brilliant BP, that caption pretty much sums it up ?.
20 Sep 2023 20:17:16
I’ve maintained since VVD got sent off against Newcastle that I don’t believe it was even a foul even though the concensus of opinion even amongst Liverpool fans was it was a definite foul as he caught the man first.
I just think you’ll see tackles like that in loads of games this season that won’t be punished and low and behold I’ve just seen one in the Utd game tonight. Davies has just gone through the player first from behind virtually on the goal line and cleared the ball saving a certain goal and guess what? No foul. Not even a suggestion of a foul never mind a red card.
I maintain 100% that Virgil was sent off because the ref was p*ssed off about him having a go at him about booking Trent and couldn’t wait to get the red card out. You could see the excitement in his eyes.
All we want is consistency and we just don’t get it.
1.) 20 Sep 2023 21:45:31
It was a clumsy foul with the player through on goal. Red card. Move on.
2.) 20 Sep 2023 21:56:13
I disagree mate. Virg came ‘through’ the player to get the ball. he should be sent off if the rules are applied. That said I think the bigger issue is that the rules aren’t applied consistently and that leads to people seeing decisions as ‘unfair’ or even ‘biased’ and I think we both agree on that.
3.) 20 Sep 2023 22:37:08
I have to agree with the OP said the same from day1.
4.) 20 Sep 2023 23:49:36
Blatant foul.
5.) 21 Sep 2023 00:05:26
I agree he got the player before the ball but that’s not the point here. The point is you will see that foul a lot and especially inside the box or in red card situations it won’t be given 99 times out of 100.
It happens to Salah regularly and he never gets a free kick for it. He shields the ball with his leg and the defenders kicks through both him and then the ball. The one tonight with Davies he clearly came through the man (I think it was Pelestri) and then got the ball second but because he got the ball it was called a great tackle.
Like I said, that ref couldn’t wait to send Virgil off and produced the red card with such glee on his face it was sickening. If we are calling that a foul then it should be a foul every time, not just when a ref is on a revenge mission.
6.) 21 Sep 2023 08:07:08
Wait until the next time a Liverpool player is thru on goal and gets brought down BP ?
I agree tho, refs are inconsistent but Virgil’s was a red. ?.
7.) 21 Sep 2023 09:19:52
Like I said Irish I’m fully aware I’m in the minority and do understand why it was given.
It’s just the inconsistency that gets me. It’s a tackle that happens regularly and very rarely gets punished but in VVD’s case it’s been accepted as a foul and a red card by pretty much everyone. That’s fine but it has to be a foul every time and as I expected that’s not happening.
8.) 21 Sep 2023 09:20:06
The inconsistency are because they are manufactured referees not people who played the game the fIFA badge means they are bullet proof look at the jobs they do any working men no they are in high profile jobs which people think because of there jobs they must be a good referee total rubbish.
9.) 21 Sep 2023 09:11;28
100% agree. Unfortunately I turned the game off in disgust so and missed the comeback but after Mac allister red and then a red for that tackle I gave up on football for about err 70minutes. Def not a red card. Indirect free kick at best.
10.) 21 Sep 2023 09:43:30
If my memory serves me wasn't the red card for denying a goal scoring opportunity rather than the tackle itself. Also I don't subscribe to the view that ex players would make better referees.
11.) 21 Sep 2023 16:55:24
Bit of a strange take on it Gaga. I would guess in any other part of the pitch it would only be a yellow but because he was the last man he got a red, preventing a goal scoring opportunity? Anyway, it’s yesterday’s news really.
12.) 21 Sep 2023 22:55:25
The whole "Last man" thingy does not exist and has never existed in any law in football. Gaga has it right. VVD got sent off for denying a goalscoring opportunity. That is the rule (Nlast man. No nothing. ) and it was a foul and a sending off.
If we are awaiting more consistency, I wouldn't hold my breathe for that. Pickford called the ref at the weekend and F-ing P-word after the Arsenal game, I heard. If that is true, then he should get a ban or a fine, right? Again, don't hold your breathe.
13 Aug 2023 05:51:27
Since Jurgen is in London today couldn’t he just go round and give Caicedo a Klopp hug? Surely that would make him sign
I’d do anything for a Klopp hug.
1.) 13 Aug 2023 06:55:11
Don’t be surprised if Klopp slaps the heck out of Caicedo should he see him for lying to him and the club.
2.) 13 Aug 2023 07:35:43
He has openly rejected us. Let it go. Happens. We shouldn’t be in this position in the first place. Jorg is gone. Worst DOF in our history.
3.) 13 Aug 2023 08:33:29
Do drama much?
4.) 13 Aug 2023 08:57:59
Forget the hug. He doesn’t want to come to us. Can you imagine paying a record amount for a player that’s not interested in us it’s just crazy. Oh by the way I hope we absolutely spank Chelsea today!
5.) 13 Aug 2023 09:07:00
such a waste of time, the player does not want to come. move on everyone. Some of our fans are so Deluded who think we have the right to every player. Many have preferences due to family, style of play, preference for a manager and a project or other reasons and get over it.
6.) 13 Aug 2023 10:03:04
If there is one thing to be embarrassed about I’d say it’s klopps presser where he confirmed transfer agreement between the clubs. Should have been far more discreet about like.
But yeah, can’t wait to hear the convos revealed in time. Like what convos did we have with Caicedo’s reps, if any, to think making an offer was worth it.
7.) 13 Aug 2023 10:56:16
Faith, I disagree re Klopp’s presser. I could be wrong but a medical was booked for Friday and then, Caicedo flipped, right? Klopp’s presser was on the same day at the time right after the news broke that Caicedo had flipped, right? and all Klopp said was that a fee was agreed with Brighton but for the player, we will have to see, right?
So if all the above is true then, what part is embarrassing for Klopp and the club, exactly?
8.) 13 Aug 2023 14:07:03
Didn't Gerrard do the same to chelsea?
Let's move on to other targets and do it quickly. And beat Chelsea too.
9.) 13 Aug 2023 20:30:36
Worst dof we have had, really harry? Always trying to stand out mate.
Beckers pecker's rumour replies
03 Dec 2023 22:14:14
I don’t agree grino that Salah is better than ever. He certainly not as explosive as he used to be and gets dispossessed much more than he ever has.
That being said he has adapted his game and is becoming more of an assist machine rather than a consistent goal threat.
He will always score goals but he used to be able to score them on his own, these days he’s much more reliant on his team mates to create the chances for him.
His numbers are still amazing and I hope he stays around for another couple of years at least.
23 Nov 2023 22:57:57
Lofty, Wijnaldum played as a winger for a number of years too but that didn’t make it his best position in our team.
Gakpo can play there but he doesn’t have the pace or directness needed to play there in a front 3 full time. He’s much better dropping off into a deeper position where he can drag players to him and use his skill to maintain possession and create space for others. A lot like Bobby used to. Who incidentally did play as a winger for a number of years too.
Diaz is the perfect player for our system and we really missed him last season. If he hadn’t got injured we would be playing CL football this season.
If we sell him now we would be a weaker team.
21 Nov 2023 23:01:16
Jota and Gakpo are definitely not left wingers. They can play there because they are good players but both are much better through the middle.
If we are selling Diaz and want to keep playing Nunez through the middle we will need to replace Diaz. It makes no sense at all unless he is pushing for a move.
21 Nov 2023 00:13:14
Who is our other top left winger that is better than Diaz? I certainly can’t think of one.
We are a completely different team when he plays it would be strange to sell him now. Unless of course he wants to leave, in that case send him on his way and get someone else in.
I love Diaz but nobody is irreplaceable.
14 Nov 2023 00:12:05
Elliott is a good little player but he really struggles with the defensive side of the game.
Shanks would have him eating nothing but steak and bulking up in the gym twice a day! I think he still has the body of a kid at the moment but if he does manage to improve his strength as he matures we could have a real top player on our hands.
Beckers pecker's banter replies
04 Dec 2023 00:40:15
Ed25 I don’t expect anyone to say he played well he obviously made a couple of mistakes but let’s give the guy a chance. He’s had some great games for us which is why most of us are ok with him as a backup to Ali but if we are expecting a backup to be as good as Ali then we are in for some disappointment.
He also made a really good save at 2-2 when Ream followed it up and was offside but no one mentions that do they?
The fact is with Ali in goal we go in 2-0 up and cruising. We all know that but that’s why he’s the best in the world. To expect Kelleher to be the same is just ridiculous.
I really despair when I talk to football fans these days, if we don’t win 4-0 and give no chances away they are always looking for someone to blame.
It’s football, people will make mistakes and the opposition will score goals. It’s their job and they are very highly paid to do it. This entitled attitude that when it doesn’t all go your way you have to blame someone winds me right up.
{Ed025's Note - that’s why I said at the start calling for his head is stupid BP. It’s a total overreaction but if any player has a bad game then I think it’s fine to say so. It does not make you less of a supporter just an honest one. Don’t get me wrong people like “Harry” who just slag players off for the sake of it are well out of order but constructive criticism is fine by me mate..
03 Dec 2023 21:55:57
You can’t play brilliantly every game but we are getting into a great knack of winning when we are not at our best.
As for a better back up than Tsimikas? He’s a back up so by definition he’s not as good as the first choice. He is however, a full international and a very good player. We are fortunate to have such a good back up who’s committed and happy to play second fiddle.
At the end of the day we won the game which is what it’s all about.
03 Dec 2023 20:34:16
Wow! After one game everyone wants Kelleher thrown in the bin?
Don’t forget Ali was woeful against City so shall we bin him off too?
Get a grip, it was a huge day for Kelleher today and perhaps it got to him. Like it or not we need to rely on him for the next couple of weeks so let’s just give him a little support rather than jumping on his back after 5 minutes.
We won the game, try actually enjoying that rather than looking for negatives all the time.
{Ed025's Note - i dont agree with all the bin him talk BP but you cant just ignore how bad he kept today, what do you expect guys to say...he done well?, you got away with it today mate but he has to up his game if he is to be the understudy to Alisson..
03 Dec 2023 00:11:34
I’ve been very vocal in my criticism of Thiago but I do think it was an experiment worth pursuing.
He is such a talented player but for me, injuries aside he just hasn’t worked hard enough to adapt to the role he needed to play. He’s too slow on the ball and his defensive positioning is woeful. People see him charging about making tackles and mistake that for working hard for the team where the opposite is true. He’s not syncing with the rest of the midfield so he gets bypassed way too easily and then has to dive in from the wrong side to rectify his own error.
Given time and space he’s brilliant but you just don’t get that in the premier league and he has never adapted his game to get the best out of his undoubted talent.
I see him as someone who can be world class but it’s gone to his head and he wants everyone else to adapt to him rather than the other way around.
Time to admit defeat and move him on for me.
02 Dec 2023 22:33:08
Nobody has done it JK because Salah is in the team and is already doing it. If we had 2 with Salah’s numbers we’d win every game by 3 or 4 goals!
When Salah goes someone else will take up the mantle like they did when Hunt, Keegan, Dalglish, Rush, Fowler, Owen, Torres, Suarez and Gerrard left.
It’s football, it’s the way it works.