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12 Aug 2023 20:35:28
According to Romano, Caicedo agreed (through his representatives) an 8 year contract with Chelsea in May with the option of a 1 year extension.
9 year deal will be the longest offered under Boehly’s tenure.
1.) 12 Aug 2023 21:05:46
So it’s not that he wants to join Chelsea for any other reason than money…. 9 year contract yet one bad injury and his career could be over. Mercenary good luck getting him sold to real in 2 years.
2.) 12 Aug 2023 21:30:10
Football is crazy ATM.
3.) 12 Aug 2023 21:57:08
No wonder Caicedo was so keen to join them
Be interesting to see what the agents fees are too.
Boehly has an interesting way of operating.
I've never known anything like it for throughput of players.
He's presenting Poch, a new manager himself, with almost another all-change new team.
Two British record signings in midfield now.
4.) 12 Aug 2023 22:17:12
There’s a reason why teams don’t give players long contracts.
Where’s the motivation for them to work for their next contract?
You’re basically giving these kids obscene amounts of money and guaranteeing they will get it for their entire 20s. Yes you’ll get the odd one with the right mentality to work for trophies but most of these kids just want the money and they’ll get that regardless of what they do.
Newcastle tried it years ago and got relegated. I see Chelsea going the same way.
5.) 12 Aug 2023 22:19:57
Chelsea are no different under bohley other than the new “long term” contracts. He will sack poch by Christmas being in another manager another whole new team of over priced players until he runs out of funds. His pockets are limitless and he will soon realises this.
6.) 12 Aug 2023 22:26:31
Chelsea are not going to get relegated lol they also have enough money to just replace these players if they don’t perform so can take the risk.
They are building a quality side and with enzo and Caicedo in the middle will be a real force this/ next season.
7.) 12 Aug 2023 22:37:09
That’s the problem Brummy, if they give everyone 8-9 year contracts they could be left with a very unmotivated squad that they can’t get rid of. The margins at the top level are fractions so a 5% drop off in effort can lead to disaster.
They might have money but even they can’t keep signing players whilst keeping all of their existing players who are not contributing.
If it worked then everyone would be doing it. Boehly is not some genius that’s just reinvented the wheel. It’s been tried before and failed so most sane people know that it’s not the right way to go.
8.) 12 Aug 2023 21:16:33
I thought this length of contract was banned or have I mis-interpreted the rules?
9.) 12 Aug 2023 21:16:35
Right it’s done move on get the Lavia deal done if he will still come to us.
10.) 12 Aug 2023 21:59:30
Hi Ed002,
Thanks for all your info and patience re Caicedo. Just wondering as a point of interest, I thought fifa or uefa had banned contracts for over 5 years starting this summer? ThNks!
{Ed002's Note - OK, thanks.}
11.) 12 Aug 2023 22:32:04
A force? Under whos guidance? They have a manager known to be to lax with players he won’t develop them. And they have money for now. So did plenty other teams and look what happened.
12.) 12 Aug 2023 23:57:05
6times red, a club can give a player any length of contract they want, how could you stop them? Jesus it's how employment works. What fifa banned or reports they banned I'm not sure how accurate is paying tgw fee over longer that 5 years, helping clubs around ffp.
13.) 13 Aug 2023 01:52:15
Contract length is not restricted, but using extremely long contracts as a ploy to work around FFP is rooted out by stipulating that costs of purchases are recognised in financial accounts over no more than 5 years.
In typical accounting the cost of something is recognised over its useful life (e. g. cost of a 20k car which lasts 10 years is 2k per year) . Longer the useful life, smaller the per-year cost. UEFA have cracked down on spreading the cost of *transfers* over more than 5 years so to not artificially lower the per-year cost of transfers. Contracts can be as long as you want.
14.) 13 Aug 2023 05:11:13
Nailed it hani
There’s a bug difference between
- the length of the players contract (which isn’t restricted)
- the timing and payment terms of any transfer fees (which aren’t restricted and can be set however the two clubs agree)
- the accounting policy of the contract value (which as you describe above stipulates the ‘value’ of a player contract cannot be amortised over more than 5yrs)
FFP is based on the accounting rather than the payment terms, but most people on the planet (or this site) don’t know much about accounting rules, hence why Ed02 keeps saying don’t focus on the financials as it just confuses everyone.
Wise advice that we should all listen to! (And hopefully I didn’t get this wrong ?)
{Ed001's Note - the timing and payment terms of transfer fees are restricted - there is a limit to the length of time you have to pay up in transfers between English clubs. After the debacle at Portsmouth, the FA tried to ensure that didn't happen again where a club ends up in trouble due to outstanding payments owed for years into the future. I think, iirc, it is 5 years maximum, but that maybe wrong.}
15.) 13 Aug 2023 07:10:39
It is also worth mentioning that although we aren't used to seeing footballers get contracts of this length, it is common practice in US sports such a baseball and American football.
I know people will say football over here is different, but it is what the Americans are used to.
16.) 13 Aug 2023 10:11:15
In baseball maybe. Don’t see NGL and NBA players getting 8 year contracts these days haha.
17.) 13 Aug 2023 10:13:37
FIFA updated their rules regarding contracts. IFA, football's governing body, outlines that contracts should be no longer than five years. Jan 18, 2023. A quick google search would help you.
18.) 13 Aug 2023 12:55:23
I knew I would - thanks Ed01 for the correction :)
Main point I was trying to make is player contracts and accounting a two different things and most don't understand accounting so it's best to ignore the financials and FFP as it just confuses everyone!
{Ed001's Note - it is so difficult to keep track of it all I really wish the papers would stop spreading crap about it. Almost everything In the media about FFP and football finances is utter nonsense. Only Swiss Ramble that I know of is worth taking notice of.}
19.) 13 Aug 2023 13:07:40
Rosenthal, I believe it is the case that FIFA says player contracts should be no longer than 5yrs, unless they are permissible under local country rules, and the UK allows contracts of more than 5yrs, but as Ed mentioned there may be some restrictions on payment terms in the UK.
Accounting is definitely restricted to 5yrs by UEFA to level the playing field on FFP calculations.
09 Aug 2023 22:51:58
Have Chelsea submitted a bid for Lavia, Ed002?
It’s being reported that it is closer to Southampton’s valuation than our last bid.
{Ed002's Note - I told you what would be acceptable to Southampton and which clubs are interested.}
1.) 09 Aug 2023 23:31:30
May be I missed what is acceptable for Southampton, but if it is 50mil as reported by the media, doesn't make sense for both Liverpool and Chelsea to bid 2 or 5 mil short. I know you don't like to talk about numbers, but do they expect to get 50mill after they pay 20% to city?
{Ed002's Note - I have explained. It is hopeless to just keep doing the same over and over.}
2.) 10 Aug 2023 09:54:18
Ed2 said a few weeks ago that perhaps £48m would be acceptable.
3.) 10 Aug 2023 09:53:13
Maybe Lavia will end up in the Chelsea academy and we can sign him from the club which buys him from the academy ?.
4.) 10 Aug 2023 11:23:48
Chelsea haven't bid the reportedly acceptable amount to Southampton either.
But I suppose we have messed Southampton around for long enough, they might just accept Chelsea's bid.
We are after all the worst club to deal with according to some on this site.
14 Jul 2023 18:27:25
One for Ed002 - you mentioned Nico Schlotterbeck or Lutsharel Geertruida as your shouts for CBs 2-3 weeks ago.
Are you aware if Liverpool have made approaches for either of them recently?
{Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}
05 Jul 2023 09:18:12
One for Ed002. Thanks for sharing your views yesterday on CB and DM/ CM. I was hoping to explore Koopmeiners with you.
Are Atalanta now open to selling him? I know we were linked with him in Jan and you said he wouldn't be moving then, but I guess his club have a chance of replacing him now.
Is he open to a move to the PL as far as you are aware, or is he quite happy/ settled where he currently plays?
Finally, would there be an opportunity to structure a Naby-Keita type deal with Southampton for Lavia? Whereby we buy him now but loan him back to Southampton for the season? That means they still have his services, he gets to play week in week out and we have another year to decide what happens to Fabinho?
{Ed002's Note - Teun Koopmeiners (DM/CM) Atalanta are reluctant to sell but his agent wants the player to be playing in the Champions League with Juventus and Napoli having declared interest. Prior interest of Milan has shifted to Tijjani Reijnders. Approaches have been made to Spurs, Liverpool and Chelsea although none have spoken with Atlanta and all have other targets. Brighton, who see him as a Caicedo replacement, have opened discussions with his agent and Atalanta over a transfer with Aston Villa talking with his agent. Marseille have walked away due to the quoted cost.
I have no idea what the player would accept.
There won't be any buy and loan back for Lavia.}
1.) 05 Jul 2023 09:44:25
Thank you Ed002. Would you mind sharing the quoted cost of him please?
{Ed002's Note - We cannot sensibly discuss money on these pages any longer.}
03 Jul 2023 18:18:53
One for Ed002 - I can see that you have answered questions about Valverde a couple of weeks ago, saying the player does not want to move and RM do not want to sell.
However, a couple of clickbait websites have said that Liverpool have followed up an €80m offer (which was rejected) with a €90m offer.
To your knowledge, have Liverpool made any offers to Real Madrid, or is this just nonsense being posted by the tabloids?
{Ed002's Note - Federico Valverde (CM) Real Madrid are not looking to sell the player, previously of interest to Bayern Munich, Liverpool and Manchester United, as they expect him to settle in as a regular as Modric and Kroos are coming to the end of their RM careers. That was explained to a PL club who enquired when discussing another player. Manchester City have sent scouts to look at him as they look to add to their Central Midfield options. Liverpool interest could return after losing out on Bellingham but right now they have other targets. Player does not want to move on and I am not aware of multiple €100M bids from Liverpool.}
1.) 03 Jul 2023 20:16:07
Thank you Ed002.
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10 Nov 2023 10:10:40
I'm just going to put this out there.
Mbappe?
1.) 10 Nov 2023 10:41:16
Internet breaks.
2.) 10 Nov 2023 14:07:07
Well it's out there now, OP.
3.) 10 Nov 2023 14:32:51
@Zed, he’s getting on a bit - he’s nearly 25. He won’t fit into out plans for 2032.
4.) 10 Nov 2023 23:43:56
If we get him next season, WDW, he will be nicely placed to be a first team coach in 2032 and he could, in that position, be the missing link.
Always think ahead.
5.) 11 Nov 2023 08:35:43
Damn, that’s a cunning plan - I love it.
23 Aug 2023 22:31:12
Time for a bit of a break, methinks, until after the window has shut, the kids have gone back to school and the lunatics have returned to the asylum (or crawled back under their respective rocks) .
Thank you Eds for all of your patience and info, and see you (along with some of you posters! ) in a couple of weeks time.
1.) 24 Aug 2023 06:08:03
As cutting as always Zed. Enjoy the break.
2.) 24 Aug 2023 11:19:11
See you in September Zed. Hope you come back, I personally enjoy your posts.
Take it easy mate.
3.) 24 Aug 2023 11:40:21
Zeddicus knows what is coming in the week ahead :)
22 Aug 2023 18:11:16
Mac Allister red card overturned.
Thank Fowler that common sense prevailed.
11 Aug 2023 21:13:50
It’s being reported that Chelsea are close to agreeing an offer for Lavia.
We have already had a bid accepted by Brighton.
Caicedo would prefer to join Chelsea.
Who’s to say that Lavia wants to join Chelsea to be 3rd or 4th DM?
We are currently in a stronger position with Caicedo (bid accepted) than Chelsea are with Southampton (talks continuing) .
Let’s not give up all hope yet.
{Ed025's Note - do you really want a player who has basically thrown your offer back in your face Zed?, what he has done is disrespectful at best mate and for me the offer should be withdrawn, good player or not you have to have a little bit of decency and withdraw the offer forthwith..
1.) 11 Aug 2023 21:36:27
If a player rejects us why would you still want him?
{Ed025's Note - absolutely mate..
2.) 11 Aug 2023 21:48:44
Shame fluminese won the other night as I suspect we would be all on on a Brazilian record fee for Andre lol. You couldn't make this stuff up, but have to admit this has been the most entertaining transfer window for years lol. Well wonder who we look to next, gravenberch? Decent DMs are running out fast.
{Ed002's Note - It is more difficult than that. A del could be struck now for January though.}
3.) 11 Aug 2023 21:40:42
Agreed. Don’t want him at all.
4.) 11 Aug 2023 21:42:05
I think Kalvin Phillips would jump at the chance to join Liverpool.
5.) 11 Aug 2023 21:45:04
Sorry, I didn’t make myself clear.
There’s a lot of fear that Chelsea will buy both Lavia and Caicedo, due to Caicedo wanting Chelsea.
The point I was making is that what if Lavia wants us?
The second point is that we are actually further ahead with one player (bid accepted) than Chelsea are with the other (bid made) so let’s not be all doom and gloom just yet.
I completely agree that we don’t want Caicedo if he doesn’t want us.
And I think we have made a hash of things in the second half of this window, unfortunately.
I’d be interested to know whether this is more down to Klopps growing power or Jorg?
6.) 11 Aug 2023 22:02:53
Ron Keague if Kalvin Phillips would jump at the chance to join Liverpool I’d be worried he’d get injured in the process.
7.) 11 Aug 2023 22:24:26
Lavia has also told Liverpool he wants to go to Chelsea.
8.) 11 Aug 2023 22:21:28
Can he even jump at all?
9.) 11 Aug 2023 22:00:45
Didn’t Salah go to Chelsea instead of us first time round?
I don’t see the issue with buying a young quality player who plays 3-4 seasons with us does very well, helps us win trophies and then wants to move to Real for a what you would imagine would be a big fee.
Players leaving clubs is part and parcel of the game.
We all know Hallaand wants Real but that’s not stopped him doing the business for City prior.
10.) 11 Aug 2023 22:04:53
I think if caicedo had told us he didn't want to play for us we would've already walked away. Or wouldn't have been there in 1st place.
11.) 11 Aug 2023 22:00:45
Didn’t Salah go to Chelsea instead of us first time round?
I don’t see the issue with buying a young quality player who plays 3-4 seasons with us does very well, helps us win trophies and then wants to move to Real for a what you would imagine would be a big fee.
Players leaving clubs is part and parcel of the game.
We all know Hallaand wants Real but that’s not stopped him doing the business for City prior.
12.) 11 Aug 2023 22:04:53
I think if caicedo had told us he didn't want to play for us we would've already walked away. Or wouldn't have been there in 1st place.
13.) 11 Aug 2023 22:38:18
Has he thrown it back in our faces? Or would he just prefer a move to Chelsea?
I obviously don’t know the ins and outs like everyone else on this page and most of the journalists going off the contradicting reports but I could personally go for an interview for 2 jobs and prefer one over the other and prefer that job but at the same time would be happy to take the other if that was the only one offered to me.
14.) 12 Aug 2023 00:38:28
When he Lavia come out and said he’d want to move to Chelsea? Most of the reports I saw have said the exact opposite. By all means if that’s true then fair enough, but I don’t see the appeal? Their not in Europe and he’ll be third choice as it is and 4th choice if they get MC whereas with us he’s pretty much a guaranteed starter as we don’t have a single DM until Bajectic gets back.
15.) 12 Aug 2023 00:53:59
I only want players who genuinely want to play for Liverpool FC.
Not the Golddiggers of '23.
16.) 12 Aug 2023 01:37:20
Not many players aren't gold diggers these days. Money talks. How many of our current squad would jump ship if they got offered double the wages.
17.) 12 Aug 2023 02:25:32
Caicedo joining now imo wouldn't be good for the squad. If you're not committed to the cause then go somewhere else. If he has another change of his "heart" i hope we tell him to pound sand.
18.) 12 Aug 2023 03:25:10
If Caicedo joins the squad he and the other players will be fine. So will the fans except the strange ones that expect players to have dreamt of playing for the club since they were in the womb.
All this "he doesn't want the club" stuff, the hurt feelings at all, it's fan stuff. It's part of why we watch the game, but it's nonsense. If Caicedo ends up here after all, there's no reason to think anything will go wrong. Players play.
19.) 12 Aug 2023 04:39:54
AP, you mean just like Keita?
20.) 12 Aug 2023 06:57:39
Remove the emotion from the transaction and stop thinking you understand FFP in particular, and club accountancy in general: My words of wisdom for the day.
21.) 12 Aug 2023 07:02:34
Hardly think we have to do the"decent"thing here and retract the bid, we have done absolutely nothing wrong. Think Brighton, Chelsea and the players camp have to look at themselves before we do. As far as not wanting him now im on the fence either way. I've said from the start id rather us go for Lavia but to say Caicedo couldn't do the business for us after this is crazy. Roy Keane had practically signed for Blackburn before Man U and don't think Utd fans cared.
22.) 12 Aug 2023 08:41:42
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08 Aug 2023 13:18:52
“Good vibes this morning”
Lavia FINALLY incoming later today!
1.) 08 Aug 2023 13:34:21
What do you know zedd? That is mere mortals don’t ?.
2.) 08 Aug 2023 13:35:11
I'll believe it when its really happened!
3.) 08 Aug 2023 13:48:56
Left out of training supposedly so seems to be point towards he's moving pretty soon.
4.) 08 Aug 2023 14:03:08
£50m inc add ons could be the answer. .
5.) 08 Aug 2023 14:21:43
Its Tuesday so it must be.
6.) 08 Aug 2023 16:27:26
You said it Barakdee ?.
7.) 08 Aug 2023 18:05:04
Do we know how much Southampton are looking for?
8.) 08 Aug 2023 18:12:24
£45,000,001, WDW ?.
9.) 08 Aug 2023 21:34:25
You’ve got just over 2 hours Zedd ?.
13 Nov 2023 10:05:09
For those of you who read the Girl in the Box series by Robert J Crane - I can't read the players name without wanting to add '1819' to the end of his name!
08 Nov 2023 17:57:35
I love rumour-mongering without naming a source.
16 Oct 2023 21:09:03
WDW, you have cunningly seen through my numerical linguistics ?.
16 Oct 2023 10:52:50
Hi Victor! *waves* long time no moan.
15 Oct 2023 19:38:17
The issue with Sane seems to be attitude - sounds like Mane.
He is going to be 28.
Maybe Klopp thinks an older head is needed to help all of the youngsters? Would make sense.
Let’s see what transpires….
03 Dec 2023 23:30:25
You must be Benjamin Button if you’ve watched MotD for 30 years at the age of 10 ;-)
I know what you mean, BTW, I don’t bother with anything but the highlights! Punditry has gone way downhill since Hansen and Lawro left.
01 Dec 2023 23:35:38
Red Mob, not harsh. Leek has suggested he may want us to get beaten just so that Klopp recommends Xabi as his successor.
That’s the crazy bit.
Most fans are impressed with how Xabi has taken to management, but we would never want our own team not to do well.
22 Nov 2023 21:23:07
Why is it more the manager than the players?
I’d say they take equal blame/ glory for game results.
14 Nov 2023 21:00:07
November?
Sorry, mark, couldn’t resist!
10 Nov 2023 23:43:56
If we get him next season, WDW, he will be nicely placed to be a first team coach in 2032 and he could, in that position, be the missing link.
Always think ahead.