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03 May 2020 13:36:17
Good day Ed and Reds.
BBC Sport are running an article that clubs opposed to 'Project Restart' are prepared to play at neutral venues if the threat of relegation is lifted.
If this is correct, this seems telling for me.
It sort of feels as if the multitude of clubs that have been poor all season are not prepared to accept their failings and are almost using the current situation to avoid the drop? They seem to be dictating what may happen next?
What's the point of restarting if the season's conclusion can't be reached?
Have you any take on this Ed002 please? (Presuming it did start again - a rather large presumption too) .

The Juicer

{Ed002's Note - Although much of Friday was spent discussiong neutral venues the idea regarding relegation has not been discussed by the PL. There is no plan as to how the season will be concluded at this time. Everything may well be much clearer in one week.}

1.) 04 May 2020 08:14:53
I thought the same to an extent.

All clubs will be playing in neutral venues, all will be in the same boat.

If the "integrity of the league can't be maintained" then what's the point?

Perhaps it's to do with finances and honouring TV contracts - I don't pretend to know that's what it is.

Everyone looking out for their own interests. Understandably.

{Ed002's Note - The arguement is based on loss of home advantage - and that is proving to be consideration for a number of sides (including two of the top six). It is unrelated to money of TV contracts. But many clubs are not concerned about their own interests only.}

2.) 04 May 2020 19:28:30
Ed002 does the home advantage thing not kind of become irrelevant with the exclusion of fans.

{Ed002's Note - A decent number of clubs don’t think so.}



09 Jan 2019 05:59:14
Media speculation today that Comacho could move on to Sporting Lisbon in this window?
Is a subsequent move for a versatile right-sided player on the cards in January?

The Juicer

1.) 09 Jan 2019 09:11:17
The loan is not strange but the length of time is, June 2020 and that is when his contract runs out according to Talksport. Looks like Camacho is going home.

2.) 09 Jan 2019 08:55:06
Pardon me for but are sporting lisbon and sporting CP the same club?

{Ed025's Note - yes mate..

3.) 09 Jan 2019 09:54:48
Is he getting a new contract or are we effectively releasing him?

4.) 09 Jan 2019 11:53:52
I would a assume he will sign a new contract before heading out!



15 Oct 2018 20:40:37
Is Mane injured whilst out on international duty as well now?
Broken thumb?

The Juicer

1.) 16 Oct 2018 13:06:23
Surely he could play with a broken thumb?

2.) 16 Oct 2018 16:55:37
He has no chance of being fit for a game of Subuteo anyway.

3.) 16 Oct 2018 18:29:00
The thumbs up/ down response to this seems a little insensitive to be honest.



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1.) 20 Jun 2015 23:39:35
I wouldn't rule out the illuminati.



31 Jan 2014 11:36:22
The Guardian (no less) reporting that the redevelopment plans are moving forward apace.
Fingers crossed, there could be real progress this year, it all looks good to go if and when the demolition is done.
Only two owners, of four houses, still holding out.
Is that the two buy-to-let landlords that were supposedly going to sue the Council / LFC?
Maybe, just maybe, there will be spades in the ground before 2014 is out?

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21 Oct 2020 10:50:15
Well, one thing that will likely emerge if Fabinho plays at centre back for a spell will be the high defensive line dropping back a good 10 yards or so I'd have thought?
It was risky enough with Gomez and Van Dijk, the two quickest central defenders in the PL, and as we saw, Villa tore Fabinho and the high line to shreds recently.
Who to play at the defensive / deeper midfielder though?
I like the look of Thiago more forward, so either Hendo or Wijnaldum I suppose?
Please Lord, no more injuries for a while.

The Juicer

1.) 21 Oct 2020 11:16:50
Juicer, I fully agree with that. Klopp already dropped the high line a few yard in the Everton game already so he could just stick with that until Big ALI is back and even so with Fab and Matip not blessed with Gomez-like pace, that may continue.

2.) 21 Oct 2020 11:37:24
Dont be surprised to see Klopp throw Williams or Phillips in tonight. Were in the middle of a hectic schedule for the players and everybody, including fabinho is going to need a rest every now and then.

3.) 21 Oct 2020 11:38:00
Apologies as this is a repost but the comment thread from earlier seems to have disappeared.

Its been a bit of a pity party on here the last few days or weeks even. Terible loss to Villa and a massive loss in VVD but they are done and gone. As our owners continue to look at changing the wheel of football a european league for me would absolutely ruin the game but the rich will get richer and its no longer the fans game.
On a more positive note what's everyone's team for tonight do we go full strength or give opportunities for the rest of the squad for me I'd personally go with.

Kelleher - I think this lad needs an opportunity in a high profile game. It will take Adrian out of the firing line for a bit and give this kid an opportunity.

TAA - even though i think he might need a rest i don't believe tonight is the night and hopefully he can play himself back into form

Gomez and Fab - With Matip injured i believe these will be our starting centre backs tonight

Tsimikas - this lad was brought in as cover or competition for Robbo. We aren't going to know which until he gets chances in the first team. Robbo been fantastic this season and a rest will do him good

Wiji, Milner and Jones - I think all deserve a start and all 3 should be good enough to match Ajax midfield. If this is deemed as a weak midfield then should these players be in the squad. Hendo needs protecting and i don't think Naby deserves a start (but i think he might actually stat ahead of Jones)

Mino - If anyone deserves an opportunity i believe its him. Yes he's a new signing but Jota has been here 10 months less and already has almost the same amount of opportunities as him in the premier league.

Mane - Masive player for us and has just come out of a 2 week isolation period so he will be raring to go.

Jota - I think this lad is a very good signing for us. To break into our top 3 is going to be a huge task for him but i believe he will get ample opportunities starting with tonight.

4.) 21 Oct 2020 13:29:44
We are away at ajax right? In the cl? And you want to give the u23s a run out!? No, strongest possible team pls.

5.) 21 Oct 2020 13:59:09
Fabinho is deceptively quick, certainly wouldn't point it out as a weakness of his.

6.) 21 Oct 2020 14:16:31
Robbie where have I said anything about giving the U23’s a run out. From that starting 11 only the keeper is not realistically first team squad the rest of them are either normal starters or are on the bench of a match day squad. Reason I’ve gone with that keeper is because Allison is injured and Adrian has cost us a goal in each of his last 3 starts.

7.) 21 Oct 2020 15:04:20
Adrians contract is up ata the end of this season, he did play really well in goal early last season, but has lost a lot of confidence recently, and needs to be replaced next summer,
I did make a call on him and we need an upgrade, Allison, great keeper that he is, misses at least 10 games a season out injured, so our then number 2 might get, with some Cup games, 15 games a season .

8.) 21 Oct 2020 15:49:46
Can you imagine Adrian starting (like he should) and we win 1-0, after a great day in goal? Great confidence boost that would be, wouldn't it?

9.) 21 Oct 2020 16:19:32
if we are going to Imagine, let's make it 2 0 .

10.) 21 Oct 2020 21:52:02
Hi JK - agree with what a lot of what you’ve said there. We need to dust ourselves off and crack on!

Super excited for the game tonight. Team wise I wouldn’t go for the young lad in goal. Ajax are a very good team and shouldn’t be under estimated. The lads need a bounce back rather than risk letting in another 3 or 4!

Thiago and Matip will probably miss out. It’s great to have Hendo back though and I think he’ll get a reaction out of the lads like he did at Everton 💪🏼.



09 Oct 2020 18:49:29
A new street art mural has been completed of Ray Clemence near Anfield.
It looks great from the media I've seen.
He's a true legend and LFC royalty.

The Juicer

1.) 09 Oct 2020 19:24:20
There's a good one of Karius, too.
In Madrid.

2.) 09 Oct 2020 19:51:54
We could do with a muriel if Alisson's brother.



10 Aug 2020 18:51:17
43 years ago this very day King Kenny signed for Liverpool FC.

The Juicer

1.) 10 Aug 2020 19:14:35
Is it really 43 years? I remember his debut at Brighton, what a game the lad had.

2.) 10 Aug 2020 19:53:07
54 years ago tomorrow i started supporting LFC.

3.) 10 Aug 2020 20:24:17
Robbiesline I honestly thought you were younger.

4.) 10 Aug 2020 20:42:04
I am Barry, i was joking mate. I was about 8/ 9 when I started following Liverpool, and Kenny was still playing, maybe player/ manager times. Apparently my life is about to begin very soon!

5.) 10 Aug 2020 21:35:26
Just been watching Kenny’s first ever hat trick at Wrexham in a 5th round League Cup tie on 17/ 01/ 78. It’s on YouTube, look it up.
The state of the pitch, like a farmer’s field.
And the state of Phil Thompson, he’d just had his perm done and ran out to loads of abuse as you can imagine 😃
Happy days.

6.) 10 Aug 2020 21:40:19
So your nearly 50 then😉.

7.) 10 Aug 2020 22:40:31
I'm much closer to 50 than 21 Barry mate! Never thought of it like that. Much closer.
John Barnes was the man when I first started following the reds. He was so good, completely idolised him.

Ive watched lots of documentaries about our history of course. Seen the clips of Kenny joining, and our hey day. I just can't believe it was so long ago. Waited a long time to be back on top. Pretty much 99% of my time as a Liverpool supporter has been spent yearning for the league title. It was so amazing when we finally got over the line. Over whelming. Totally made up for all those near misses and disappointments. I think we have a team in its prime, they know how to win things and they're among the best teams in the wofld. We went out of the cl pretty early but obviously we were prioritising the league.

8.) 11 Aug 2020 01:22:12
Robbiesline, didn’t he make his debut v Utd in the Charity Shield? I think I was there as an 11 year old!



03 Aug 2020 22:25:12
I really don't see how Thiago is a possible Wijnaldum replacement, they're not the same type of players at all?
Gini is the ultimate midfield workhorse, and I don't mean that unkindly in any sense.
I'd be gutted to see Wijnaldum leave, I've always been a supporter of what he brings.
But Thiago as a direct replacement is not one I see?

It wouldn't surprise me to see Liverpool going with Thiago and Fabinho together, sitting in a deeper two in some games. I said earlier, the recent Chelsea and City games were wide open, it was crazy the amount of space they had. City punished us, Chelsea not quite.

4-3-3 against certain sides is fraught with risk now, football never stays the same, and what worked two seasons ago is not guaranteed to do so next term.
We'll see. I hope Gini stays and Thiago joins. One or the other seems strange to me.

The Juicer

1.) 04 Aug 2020 03:39:00
Gini has never been my most favourite player, but the guy is always fit, always gives a 7 out of 10 at worst.

If it was between one or the other I personally would rather keep Gini.

Thiago although a good player, I see many drawbacks to the move. Age, fee, wages, injury record, style of play potentially not fitting our blue print.

Since I heard the rumour it has struck me as a slightly odd one, but if Klopp decides he's his man I'll get onboard.

2.) 04 Aug 2020 07:20:31
Thiago is off to PSG so this is all irrelevant really.

3.) 04 Aug 2020 09:09:28
Saw a stat on ESPN that said that Wij has recorded no assists for the 2 consecutive season, 72 appearances. I know the role he plays pressing extra but hendo does the same and gets assists. So does Fabinho sitting deep.

I’m not saying I’d like Wij to leave but there’s obviously something he’s not bringing at the moment.

4.) 04 Aug 2020 10:54:05
It’s not all about the assists he gets, he keeps the ball, he moves it around to others and he presses to win back possession. Stats are only useful if you consider the broader context of them, how many times did we score as the result of work that he had put in that resulted in the ball ending up with Robertson or TAA? That’s a more critical analysis that Klopp looks at.

5.) 04 Aug 2020 11:42:42
Hadn't seen that 6 times, I'm hoping Gini can put pen to paper anyway.

6.) 04 Aug 2020 13:02:14
6times and what if the club think they can get a player that does both?

7.) 04 Aug 2020 14:12:37
You do one you sacrifice the other jodz mate. And gini has sacrificed his game FOR LIVERPOOL Fc. If you think he's no good going forward, go argue with all those managers (including Dutch manager) that played him as an attacking mid. Six times is (again) abs bang on. You need to look at the broader context. I'd say go and look at our win rate with him or without him but we always win so that's not so useful.

All you néed to know is - in the big games it's Hendo fabhino and wjinaldum. Before fab signed it was Hendo gini and milner. Now why is that? Because he is one of our best midfielders. I have him above keita and the ox but that's just my opinion. Now I don't know as much about thiago as some. My opinion comes purely from looking at gini. Not at both of them. He's a Liverpool player, we have been very successful with him in our team and I'm loath to see him go, if indeed that happens. If I had to choose from bedding in a new player, who is on the downward arc of his career (nearly) and has a poor injury record, or keeping a player who has been hugely integral in our success, it's an easy choice. Very easy. This has come about, not because klopp wants a better player than gini, but because gini hasn't signed a contract.

Our midfield goes up against teams who have (apparently) better players in midfield and we nearly always blow them out of the water. Utd, Chelsea, psg, roma, Barcelona, city, oh, and bayern Munich, the list goes on. What's that saying about being stronger than the sum of our parts?

8.) 04 Aug 2020 15:37:49
Spot on, Robbie. People should go and watch the post game on Sky after the City game at Anfield where you can watch Jose, Souness, Keane and Kompany, rave about our midfield and esp. Gini after our midfield "yes with the inferior) Gini in it) dominated City; Yeah, I guess all these guys are mugs too and can't recognize a stud midfielder like Gini when they see one.

As for the assists stat, miss me with all that stuff cos that is not his job fundamentally. His job is what Klopp wants him to do at that specific time and he does it very well.



03 Aug 2020 09:33:37
Good morning Reds and Eds.
Ed001, following on from your analysis of our midfield dynamic yesterday, where do you see Thiago Alcantara in this please?
More talk of Liverpool interest in him today. He's played a variety of roles in his midfield career to date, do you see this versatility of use to Klopp?
Or perhaps a formation change in the offing, on occasion at least?

The Juicer

{Ed001's Note - he can cover both the more forward position and the Fabinho position and that is the main key to the interest imo. We don't have a proper alternative to Fabinho right now, so Thiago would give us that, as well as being more options in the carrilero role.}

1.) 03 Aug 2020 10:08:28
Thanks, I’d agree with that.
I wonder to what degree two post-lockdown games are on the management’s minds, I’m talking of City away and Chelsea home?
Lots of space found by the respective opposition in each game, though both could have gone either way results-wise.
Hmm, Thiago is an interesting one, I’m beginning to think it may happen too.
A Lallana upgrade in effect perhaps.

2.) 03 Aug 2020 12:13:06
Nice analysis Ed1, but surely the signing of Thiago would mean the departure of another player right?
He’d demand a high salary and playing time wouldn’t he? Also wouldn’t it mean Curtis may not see the XI as much?

Would a consequence of this transfer mean that Milner would provide more cover for the wing backs and a back-up left back would not be signed? Seems like the trabsfer funds are short, so what is your realistic and hopeful prediction of the incomings and outgoings? Maybe just the respective positions and not players!


{Ed001's Note - I have already said that my belief is that Thiago is of interest to replace Gini, who has yet to sign a new contract, so needs to sign quickly or be sold. I would think it would more mean that Ox will have to play more often further forward and Millie will end up covering left-back. It does mean difficult decisions to be made, but I would expect Jones to still get game time next season.}

3.) 03 Aug 2020 16:42:39
If Wijnaldum is going to leave then I hope he makes it known sooner than later so that the club can both find a buyer for him and bring Thiago into the squad as soon as possible. The last thing we need is for Gini to be gone and then Thiago beginning to make starts post January after getting accustomed to the team and tactics.

Although I'm very happy with Gini and hope he stays, on paper it looks like we would be strengthening the position, at least from the creative aspect in midfield. No idea if Thiago is as good or better defensively.




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20 Oct 2020 21:02:17
Thanks for the feedback Ed.
You were always quite complimentary about FSG’s ownership of Liverpool but you seem to have taken much the opposite view, certainly recently?
A large part of our criticism of them was they were never Liverpool-centric, and what you’re saying now really backs that up. And worse than that, not even football centric. American baseball fans first and foremost, which is fair enough but they’d have never appeared over here in the first place if there wasn’t money to be made.

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{Ed002's Note - They have been good owners but you can never forget they are an investment company. They invest their own and other people’s money in order to get the best return on their money. They don’t care about collateral damage. It is no difference than you invention £100 - if bank x gives you 2% interest and bank y gives you 8% interest, where do you put your money?}



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20 Oct 2020 18:09:19
Your view in the past was about the inevitability of a pan-European breakaway Ed002, which obviously had money at its heart?
The pints of wallop and chips and curry for those fans who did not wish to partake of a continental diet?

The Juicer

{Ed002's Note - The proposal that the "elite" sides have been working on was originally about removing the shackles of UEFA and taking the opportunity to make money. The proposal being discussed today are around a year old and I have discussed them in the past. They have a wealthy businessman and money underwritten by an American bank behind them - and they are using the opportunity to exploit the game via the incumbent owners of a PL club who are interested only in bettering investments, and not the club itself in particular. That is why they are trying to exploit the game for profit.}



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20 Oct 2020 12:31:07
No, not for me.
He’s a decent player as a ‘sweeper’ type in a back 3 but not for our system with a high (ish) line of defence. He’s not got the pace for that.

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18 Oct 2020 19:34:11
I honestly feel sick to the pit of my stomach at this news of VVD’s injury.
One of the world’s best footballers injured by an awful challenge from Pickford, absolutely terrible news.

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18 Oct 2020 13:50:05
Billy Bean can buy us a new centre back in January.

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+1 RM.

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21 Oct 2020 11:21:24
RM, I thought that Klopp was after a CB for the first team in the Summer?
If we’d had the money, we’d have probably got one.
So, if that’s the case, what has Carragher said that contradicts Klopp in this instance?
Ed001 has said we could well go after a CB in January and, if Van Dijk’s prognosis is unfavourable, we most likely will?

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21 Oct 2020 10:41:52
I’m not sure on Jota, he started quite well but has been poor the last two times out.
Time yet though.

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20 Oct 2020 18:12:51
The best thing was Shankly apparently was rubbing his hands in anticipation of the easier draw in Ajax, of whom next to nothing was then known.
And after the Cruyff show in both legs, the letter to The Echo from an Everton fan who reminded readers that Ajax kills all known germs dead 😆
But you’ve got to be of a certain age to remember that advert.

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19 Oct 2020 09:21:18
You’ve raised my spirits a little mate, thank you.
Thiago was class, you’re right.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see us go back like 2017, every game a 3-2 or such like, now with Virgil’s loss.
As long as it’s good to watch eh?
Never watching England with that plank Pickford in the team though.

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