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08 Sep 2021 12:19:34
Seems we are interested in Bellingham after all. Paul Joyce is never wrong.
1.) 08 Sep 2021 12:39:38
Salah must be off then.
2.) 08 Sep 2021 13:10:06
Salah'll be off if were interested in a league 1 winger apparently.
3.) 08 Sep 2021 14:01:19
Selling Salah to buy Bellingham is robbing Peter to pay Paul. It then leaves the huge problem of replacing Salah, which is almost impossible given the lack of available quality at the sorts of prices FSG want to pay as I can’t think of one wide player beyond Mbappe even remotely capable of replicating what Salah does and mbappe is off to Madrid, we won’t be in that conversation, Bellingham, much like Sancho, Saul, Havertz, Werner, Mbappe, Haaland et al, will never play for us. He’ll end up at Chelsea or United.
4.) 08 Sep 2021 14:25:31
Mbappe on a free xD lol.
5.) 08 Sep 2021 14:30:47
The star reported it, says it all. Nonsense.
6.) 08 Sep 2021 15:56:39
Paul Joyce reported it too mate. He doesn't work for the Star.
7.) 08 Sep 2021 19:37:06
Can any1 think of any1 to replace salah. I can't. Only mbappe is in the same bracket. and quite frankly he isn't up to the same standard yet and the French league is tosh. Imagine salah playing for psg. Let's see how Harvey progresses.
8.) 08 Sep 2021 19:44:37
No point discussing the possibility of Bellingham joining as it will all end in tears.
9.) 08 Sep 2021 19:55:30
Much as i don't believe this, Salah was a 15 goal a season player at Roma. Klopp and the system got an extra 15-20 goals out of him.
So it's easy to say nobody could replace Salah, but everyone said that about Coutinho too. Yet here we are now with Salah (who made our front 3 better than it was with Coutinho) sounding like broken records.
10.) 08 Sep 2021 20:41:11
15 goals a season for a winger in Serie A is very good going as it is still a fairly strong league and certainly was when he was there. But there’s simply no one out there, I can’t think of one player in any of the top leagues we could bring in who can replace Salah considering we’re so skint, and players in the farmers leagues like Holland and France is too much of a risk, as you’re more likely to find a Diouff or a Pepe than you are a Mbappe. Coutinho and Salah are hardly comparable as players or their impact. Coutinho only ever scored more than 10 premier league goals once in his time here, Salah has regularly been around the 20 goals mark evert year. As I say, there’s not one player that we can afford who can replace that.
11.) 09 Sep 2021 03:50:07
I'm not even getting my hopes up, it's just a bit interesting to know as it confirms that Liverpool are actively trying to refreshen the midfield.
06 Sep 2021 06:24:10
I apologise for another positive post, but I just need something clarified.
Liverpool's critics have asked whom we can fall back on if any of our important players such as Salah or Van Dijk are injured.
But what happens to Chelsea if they lose Lukaku? What happens to Man City if they lose KDB? What happens to United if they lose Fernandes?
The prevailing logic in punditry has been that Chelsea and City (and in some people's eyes even United) are impervious to injuries to important players but Liverpool aren't.
What a load of rubbish.
Where are Chelsea's goals going to come from if they lose Lukaku? Their top goalscorer in the league last season was Jorginho with 7 goals, ALL of which were penalties.
City don't have a single prolific goalscorer and need to rely on tactical reshuffles, much of which relies on KDB.
United's midfield lacks structure and control, so what happens if they lose the player whose goalscoring and goal creations somewhat compensates for the lack of structure? What happens if they even lose McTominay?
So I don't understand this notion that our rivals, especially Chelsea, have more balanced squads when they've got their own squad shortcomings that need to be navigated.
What also bugs me is that if it weren't for Tuchel, nobody would be rating Chelsea's squad over Liverpool's - not even with Lukaku. They were distinctly average under Lampard, they leaked goals for fun (with the exact same defenders) and they couldn't put any balls in the back of the net at the other end of the pitch. Not many people rated Chelsea to get past an over-the-hill Real Madrid let alone City in the final, but suddenly Tuchel pulls off a few masterclasses and they're the best squad in the country? Come off it! If Pep hadn't completely s*** the bed in the final then would Chelsea's squad be talked about in the same regard? I really doubt that!
This is not a diss on Chelsea and everyone else, in fact I strongly respect Tuchel in particular and his squad, it's rather a diss at the lazy punditry designed to generate hype and interest for the new season instead of properly dissecting what is happening. I think everyone has been swept up with the Chelsea and United hype because everyone wants a classic 4-horse race just like PL's good old days of 2004 to 2009. Hype always follows the big spending teams but that hype often falls flat on its arse.
1.) 06 Sep 2021 07:12:27
I agree with that to a degree Jeremy . Lampard had failed where Tuchel has so far succeeded told me a lot about the caliber of the two coaches, a four horse race would be very interesting, its Man utd that seem to be the wild card in that presumed group. The second coming may not yield the resurrection that the Red Devils are anticipating. Liverpool look well balanced if a touch light in depth, City are what they are and I'd expect Chelsea to continue be a top contender.
2.) 06 Sep 2021 07:20:09
Man utd have still got ole! the only manager in the conversation who has yet to win a trophy.
3.) 06 Sep 2021 07:32:17
Finally someone with sense!
4.) 06 Sep 2021 07:35:35
Vermiculo,
I definitely expect City and Chelsea to challenge, my gripe is that the quality of their squads doesn't remove Liverpool from the equation as they're a lot more equal to Liverpool than people seem prepared to admit.
Liverpool have the best first XI, which is the most important part of a squad. We have the best goalkeeper, the best back four, a very strong starting midfield and a very strong forward line. I would've rated the front 3 as the best in the league but United now have Ronaldo and Greenwood hitting his stride, whom I think is gold dust.
City are stacked with tricky midfielders and wingers, but it's a crucial necessity for Pep to have that depth because he can't execute his playing style without them.
5.) 06 Sep 2021 07:37:44
Not many people thought Chelsea would beat an absolutely shocking Madrid side. Everyone except you thought they would easily beat RM. we just made RM look far better than they were.
I am not sure we get a single player in Chelsea’s starting midfield. Chelsea were in transition last season and they are clearly improving. I would be surprised if Chelsea don’t get around 90 points this season.
6.) 06 Sep 2021 07:45:08
Also further to my point re Chelsea, I think we need to see how Chelsea can hold up over 38 games, because everyone is assessing Chelsea based on what they did in the Champions League and we know better than anyone what a different kettle of fish it is to winning the league title. Chelsea are still a bigger unknown quantity in the league than Liverpool, executing masterclasses in the UCL like we did under Rafa doesn't mean you have the wherewithal for a league title grind, which we've proven to be capable of.
7.) 06 Sep 2021 08:02:42
Don't be ridiculous markp08, this is the exact kind of revisionism I'm talking about. Chelsea were definitely not expected to sweep Madrid aside like that.
Who cares if none of our midfielders get into Chelsea's? You could argue that Liverpool had a stronger midfield than United from 08 to 09 and look at the difference that made.
Most of Liverpool's defenders and attackers, and their goalkeeper, walk into Chelsea's team.
8.) 06 Sep 2021 08:30:12
You are going over the top on Chelsea mate. Salah gets in Chelsea’s team that’s it atm for the forwards. Defence I agree. The way your talking you think Chelsea will get less than 80 points. We have more questions to answer than Chelsea.
9.) 06 Sep 2021 08:53:38
I'm not saying that at all mark. Chelsea just have more to prove than Liverpool. Chelsea would still take Mane over Werner as well.
10.) 06 Sep 2021 09:03:54
I love Mane but nobody knows which Mane we will see this year. We pray it’s the Mane of 2 seasons ago. Firmino we can’t rely on and which Thiago will we see.
A massive question for me is who plays left midfield, because I don’t think it can be Hendo.
I don’t care, in fact it’s good all pundits have wrote us off, I just don’t see why you are trying to put Chelsea down as I think they will be right up there.
11.) 06 Sep 2021 09:07:24
Asserting that which players would get in opposition sides usually ignores the requirements placed upon the teams by the incumbent management . As to which of the main protagonists has the best team and is the most likely to succeed in the quest for that ridiculous lump of lazily designed silverware, only father time could tell . Meanwhile we shall argue till the wee hours, lose friends, alienate family and generally make clowns of ourselves in a frighteningly repetitive manner until the distant far off promised land of adulthood.
12.) 06 Sep 2021 09:23:13
None of our players could get into Chelsea's starting midfield? Come on, are you really saying you'd want Jorginho over Fabinho? Or Hendo?
13.) 06 Sep 2021 09:32:09
Mark, I'm not putting Chelsea down and I did make a point to clarify that I still strongly respect Tuchel and his squad. It's still a very good squad. I'm just highlighting weaknesses and questions that are being ignored by a lot of people. What are Chelsea going to do if they lose Lukaku? If people can ask the same question in respect to Liverpool and Salah or Van Dijk, then the same has to be asked of a team who bought Lukaku to fill a gaping hole in their squad. Do they have enough goals to win the league if Lukaku gets injured or goes through a long barren spell?
As for Mane, I think he has shown at the end of last season and the start of this season that he is rediscovering his mojo. He copped C.V. last season and from thereon lost all of his energy and sharpness. But the Mane I have seen in the last 6 games or so much more so resembles the Mane we know. He didn't suddenly become an average player.
14.) 06 Sep 2021 09:33:08
Mark Werner does not displace any of our front three. Not ever. The guy is catastrophic in front of goal since his move to the Premiership. We dodged a bullet there and nothing to do with his hearing affliction and loud crowd noises last season. He was terrible for Germany at the Euros too.
15.) 06 Sep 2021 09:33:20
I actually agree with you Vermiculo, what I'm doing is turning people's logic back on them. They've completely disregarded the team chemistry and harmony created by Klopp's management.
16.) 06 Sep 2021 10:04:53
Markp, if you truly love Mane does it matter which one turns up?
17.) 06 Sep 2021 10:44:12
It matters to the team mate. If last years Mane turns up he clearly shouldn’t be an automatic starter. I love the team far more than any individual.
18.) 06 Sep 2021 12:27:45
I think only ManU can go 2 or 3 deep in attack, but then they, like the rest of the league will start to be impacted by injuries to key players. what we and every team need to avoid is losing loads of players at one time, but that would seem obvious.
19.) 06 Sep 2021 12:34:20
If City lose KDB and Chelsea lose Lukaku they just go back to winning the League or CL, they have quality after quality, we lack massively, there's no way we have the injuries we did again, but our problem is also, the front 4 can't play every week and certainly in Bobby and Manes case, they can't keep up the form of 2 years ago.
20.) 06 Sep 2021 13:24:02
Kante
Saul
Mount
Not sure how we get one in atm.
21.) 06 Sep 2021 14:17:12
How can you say Saul is a midfield starter for Chelsea when he hasn't even made a single appearance for them?
22.) 06 Sep 2021 14:56:45
They bought him to play as far as I understand it Zp.
23.) 06 Sep 2021 17:03:57
Ughh, Mark same ole stuff again? This player does not make it into that team and vice versa. Ugh, give it a rest bro. The OP makes some salient points that you have not even addressed. Whether this or that player would start ahead of this or that player in this or that team, is irrelevant IF you don't consider systems and ethos of both teams.
Chelsea are a defend-first team cos when Tuchel came in, they could not score goals nor keep them out hence, the 5 at the back that they play. Also, that system will work in a knockout comp. esp. going against a wretched RM team that we should have beaten and we weren't even at our best and wet the bed on a tactical level. Chelsea saw that and did not make such mistakes and won the CL and hats off to them. The comparison is irrelevant.
Now, it's Mane that is your new target? What has that got to do with whether Chelsea can compete if all their top guys are injured? Nobody knows what Saul will do so stop bigging him up in a bid to put us down cos there is NO evidence to prove he will be great for them either.
The fact is that as OP said, If they lose their top players esp. Lukaku, they will struggle, Chelsea have NOT challenged for the title in 4 years, Tuchel has NO history of challenging in a 38 game season in England. Facts. LFC have that lived experience and that could count for a lot moving forward.
24.) 06 Sep 2021 23:45:13
Saul Niguez, such a good player who would walk into any team yet Atletico don't want him.
Lancaster, you just talk dribble mate. I'm talking about the league. If Chelsea lose Lukaku then they are not winning the league. Likely not the Champions League either. Ditto Man City.
04 Sep 2021 04:56:25
Hi ed001,
There are concerns that Liverpool have already perhaps left it too late to replace most of the squad's ageing players by the time Klopp probably leaves in a few years' time, with the fear being that the squad will be in a similar situation to United in 2013 when Fergie left behind an old squad.
I know that making some signings last year and this year would've been ideal, but do you think that people are overreacting a little bit? Or is the club showing a concerning lack of foresight?
{Ed001's Note - a little bit? It is an insane overreaction! There are a large number of young players in the squad, more coming through and there is plenty of time to replace the older players, with only Milner being at the probable end of his time at LFC.}
1.) 04 Sep 2021 06:17:04
Who has the ‘concerns’?
2.) 04 Sep 2021 06:49:12
Cheers Ed, I always visit your page when I need to hear a voice of reason.
@West Derby, there is panic about it on Twitter but has been given serious thought by The Anfield Wrap and Redmen TV.
A bit unrelated but I reckon James Pearce has become a bit more clickbaity this summer, he's had no transfer news to much on. He wrote this article about how the Chelsea game badly exposed a lack of depth in the forwards, and it was like it was written by Gabby Agbonlahor with a thesaurus.
{Ed0666's Note - Pearce has become a caricature of himself and ironically his credibility has lessened since he went to The Athletic. At least when he was at The Echo he had some inside info on LFC now I think he has less than Mrs Doubtfire. I’ve never seen Pearce tweet an LFC exclusive transfer or otherwise.
3.) 04 Sep 2021 07:28:40
OP, I love the Anfield Wrap and they have great content but at times, they can go overboard and this is one of them. They use the Utd team Fergie left as a comparison which is just insanely false if you actually dig deep into the numbers.
That Utd team had Rio who had been there for 11 yrs, Evra for 7/ 8 Vidic for 6, Papy Scholes, Van Persie who was over the hill, Carrick for 7 yrs etc. To compare that situation to ours is the type of overreaction we are talking about that bears NO resemblance to our situation. It is just click bait stuff with no context at all.
In fact, they did not start the transition process early enuff hence, they have been throwing millions at it to the point of re-signing a 37 yr old has-been. Sorry we are not I’m that situation so not sure what these “concerns” are, as Ed01 said. If they are from Twitter then, I propose you ignore them. As for Pearce, he is no longer of any relevance to me as a club insider.
4.) 04 Sep 2021 08:27:16
Hey OliRed,
The United comparison wasn't made by TAW, it was just a shout in the comments of Paul Machin's latest invidivual vlog about the transfer window. A random comment I know, but the comparison best represents what some fans are fearing for the squad down the track. But in a separate video one guy from TAW did express concern that the squad's evolution could fall behind schedule if the club didn't get a move along with signing new players.
I don't agree with it myself but I just wanted to get ed001's opinion on it.
5.) 04 Sep 2021 08:54:15
I think we should be looking at Declan Rice to replace Hendo, as the king/ term successor. Hopefully CB is sorted with Konate and Gomez. Both TAA and Robbo are here for years, as is Alisson.
Fabinho also still the right side of 30, and we have Jones and Elliot to look forward to.
Sounds like a storm in a T-cup (T being Tw*trer) and a has been trying to recapture former glory (Pearce) .
6.) 04 Sep 2021 09:15:58
So called journos have to write something and the more clicks the more likely they will get used. So write something controversial and voila.
7.) 04 Sep 2021 10:10:59
Long term succession should be biss and Phillips.
8.) 04 Sep 2021 14:10:42
If Klopp goes in 2024, three years from now, this is what we will have:
GK: Allison and Kelleher - well covered
RB: Trent
LB: Robbo and Tsimikas
CB: VVD, Gomez, Ibou (VVD will still have a few years at top level)
DM: Fabinho
CM: Elliott, Jones, Naby (? ), Leighton Clarkson (? )
Forward: Jota
A new manager will have his own ideas on formation and how the team lines up, but even if it is the same formation, the positions to strengthen with Elite young talent are only the following:
1) Forwards / wingers - unless youngsters like Musialowski and Kaide can step up or Minamino evolves, we should look to buy 2-3
2) CM - need will depend on how Elliott and Jones shape up
3) CDM - Fabinho undercover / long term replacement
We seem to be decently represented in other positions.
9.) 04 Sep 2021 21:05:19
Rainbow, thanks for the clarification. The transitioning has already begun with Konate, Elliott, Jones and Jota while our starters are still in the prime if their careers like VVD, Salah, Mane, Fab and arguably Thiago. For me, there is no cause for concern cos there is still at least a couple of years hence, a couple of windows to freshen up the squad via the academy and the TW. Either way, we have started the transition way earlier than Utd did, IMO. The concerns are just people overreacting as usual.
01 Sep 2021 11:56:16
As Simon Jordan said, if Klopp is happy with the squad he has then what is everyone moaning about? Do they all know something about this squad that Klopp doesn't?
1.) 01 Sep 2021 12:15:24
Precisely. He's the captain of the ship. He's made his decisions. He'll either stay afloat or come out ahead of everyone else, or he'll sink along with the ship. It's his job.
Priority was clearly to keep the core of this group together for the next 4-5 years. And it's been done. So no new shiny toys this summer, aside from Konate. Selling off (finally) of (mostly) what needed to be sold or loaned out. Consolidation. For those who see the glass half full, it's a good thing.
2.) 01 Sep 2021 12:32:59
Not a chance he is happy with not replacing Minamino, who he clearly doesn't rate, it's like most things in football, behind the scenes is completely different, you would never of thought Sturridge and Suarez had a massive fight in training the way they played together but all sorts of stuff goes on we don't see.
3.) 01 Sep 2021 12:39:23
Klopp is a pragmatic and intelligent man and isn’t going to moan about things he cannot control (apart from the wind at Anfield after a draw) . I’m sure he’d have liked to add a couple more players but he recognises the difficulties of the transfer market for Liverpool at this moment in time. We can’t spend our own significantly reduced revenue because of the way our finances have been structured and we can’t raise loads of funds because the C.V. has limited the capacity of other clubs to buy our players. It isn’t ideal but we should count ourselves lucky we still have a really good squad that can stand on its own two feet without significant expenditure. Can’t really say the same about United, who may as well not have a midfield, or City, who for all their riches and strength in depth don’t even have a centre forward. Plus it may give players like Elliott, Jones and Gordon the opportunity to cement themselves as first team players. Klopp knows this and seems to be happy with the current status quo. I think Jurgen is probably the person best placed to quantify his own emotions and probably doesn’t need random people off the internet to tell him how he should feel.
4.) 01 Sep 2021 12:47:20
Klopp would have *liked* to have made one or two more additions but he's not going to lose sleep over it either.
5.) 01 Sep 2021 13:17:19
Exactly Ron Jeremy, he basically has no choice on the matter now.
6.) 01 Sep 2021 14:57:10
OP, that’s what I’ve been saying since yesterday. Would he have wanted a couple of additions? Of course BUT that is for any manager. The realities on the ground clearly have to be condusive and if they are not then, he will have to make do cos like it or not, Klopp is part of the process and decides who gets signed and who doesn’t, regardless of what people who act like they know what Klopp thinks and wants, think of the situation.
Lancastered As for Taki, if Klopp does not rate him then why didn’t he let him go when he had the chance? Could it be that he does rate him but is still hesitant to give him game time? My thing is this: If Klopp has chosen to keep Mino then, he should play him if he indeed rates him. If he is happy with his squad then he should actually USE it. It’s that simple for me.
7.) 01 Sep 2021 14:59:56
Really? Is that why we enquire a number of player and talk to agents, because Klopp are not interested in adding player to the squad.
30 Aug 2021 16:16:09
People are determined to criticise Mane's ineffective second half and panic about its implications, and yet are completely ignoring the lumbering elephant that was Lukaku.
Mane was stifled by a combination of Robbo being off the pace, Henderson being unfamiliar in the left sided role, and the penalty box being jammed with nine very well drilled defenders. What did people expect him to do? Elastico his way past two defenders and slot it in the top corner from the inside edge of the box? Good grief.
People have used Mane's performance to justify their moaning about a lack of forward signings, but chucking on another forward in that second half probably wasn't going to get the result we needed. He would have had the same f***-all amount of space to work with and the same lack of [penetration from midfield to work him into good space.
I think Klopp could have utilised his midfield options better but that's a separate issue to the argument that we need more players. We are stacked with midfielders.
1.) 30 Aug 2021 16:34:41
Rainbow, I couldn't care less about Lukaku, he doesn't play for us. Mane was ineffective, on Saturday, as was Robertson and Henderson. I paid good money watching us, so will say it as it is.
2.) 30 Aug 2021 16:47:50
Yeah yeah Rainbow, Mané was great at the weekend and has been for months, our squad is perfect and we don’t need any new additieuu oh forget it….
3.) 30 Aug 2021 16:51:58
Liverpool fans want to read more into how Mane performed with crap service against a parked bus than Chelsea fans would read into Lukaku's flaccid performance, my point being that we love to overreact and draw lofty conclusions.
Rome1977, paying money to watch the game doesn't mean you're right.
4.) 30 Aug 2021 17:19:18
Lukaku doesn’t play for us Rainbow. I couldn’t give a monkeys chuff about him.
5.) 30 Aug 2021 17:30:21
I don’t know why Mane is getting pelted he was better than Robbo, Hendo, Firmino and Fabs.
6.) 30 Aug 2021 18:11:34
Because people watch the game with an agenda markp08, they'd rather look for flaws to suit their anti-FSG agenda than to properly observe the game.
Everyone expects every season to be a certainty for us, or else we need new signings immediately. Doesn't quite work like that guys.
7.) 30 Aug 2021 18:12:00
To me Mane had an ok game, he at least was the reason we had a penalty. He beat his man a number of occasions but just there were so many bodies in the box it was hard to get it to feet or even squeeze a shot away. I’m surprised Klopp didn’t throw Konate on as an emergency centre forward and peppered their goal with crosses. It would have been worth a go.
8.) 30 Aug 2021 19:19:48
I don’t understand the slander towards Mane either. The worse thing is that those who slate Mane, are quick to or conveniently forget that he was the one who won the header off the corner that caused the chaos in the box and the one who was smart enuff to react and apply the final touch that would have been a goal for him had Reece not scooped the ball out with his arm. Ooops.
But hey, let’s slander Mane who never kept running and gave Reece fits all first half cos that’s the easiest thing to do, as always. IMO, I think he had a good game, definitely not great but then, it’s the start of the season so no need to start panicking.
Rainbow Jeremy's rumour replies
07 Sep 2021 03:50:55
Would any of our rivals pay him 500K? Doubt it. Some fans genuinely aren't happy with club success unless it was achieved by spending as much money as possible.
31 Aug 2021 08:10:34
I'll be really, really annoyed if he suddenly changed his mind and decided to leave with 1 or 2 days left to replace him.
30 Aug 2021 17:35:59
Bledd85, IMO a lot of people are criticising the players with the inference that our season is doomed.
30 Aug 2021 07:05:15
Mane had no service.
30 Aug 2021 05:32:15
Exactly Ed, he's not being played and hasn't been played for the last 24 months yet he's still too comfortable to leave, so of course he has checked out. If he still had any drive as a professional footballer then he would've made his way out the door a while ago to get more game time elsewhere.
If Origi was still motivated and eager to impress Klopp then he'd be playing more minutes, simple as that.
Rainbow Jeremy's banter replies
20 Sep 2021 11:30:29
Ed, how soon do you mean by 'soon'?
{Ed001's Note - he is expected back playing this season. It is certainly soon enough to make a January buy a waste.}
09 Sep 2021 03:50:07
I'm not even getting my hopes up, it's just a bit interesting to know as it confirms that Liverpool are actively trying to refreshen the midfield.
08 Sep 2021 15:56:39
Paul Joyce reported it too mate. He doesn't work for the Star.
08 Sep 2021 12:33:52
Ed, will the club aggressively pursue more sponsorship opportunities to shorten the recovery time?
{Ed002's Note - The club have a fill of major sponsors right now.}
07 Sep 2021 13:28:19
I am talking about Chelsea and City in relation to Liverpool. I don't know how that is lost on you.