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01 Jun 2021 09:15:24
Ed 2, is there any way we could sign Mbappe? I know the fee would be astronomical and I’ve never previously thought we could compete for the top top players in world football but if we could throw in Salah/ Mane into the mix and another 30/ 40 million surely we could reach an agreement.

Imo he’s young enough to play for us for 4/ 5
Years, and then move on to RM as it’s pretty obvious he will end up there at some point.

We must be more attractive than RM at this moment in time and he is genuinely the one player that would elevate us to an even higher level.

Joshkel91

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are not financially in a good place and certainly cannot afford Mbappe right now.}


1.) 01 Jun 2021 09:48:56
You're kidding? Give up Salah and 30 or 40 million for a player who'll eventually want out? Surprised your reply Ed002 was more than 4 letters long.


2.) 01 Jun 2021 09:59:26
Mate football is business, Salah also wants out. If we get one of the best players in the world for 4/ 5 years and replace one of our aging forwards that would be great business to me.


3.) 01 Jun 2021 10:14:39
As Ed002 keeps reminding us, players are transitory employees.

Not every player is born scouse and wants to see out their playing days at our club.

4-5 years of Mbappe would be special, just as 4 years (so far) of Salah have been special.

Now I’d much rather keep Salah, but if a deal could be struck that included Mane or Firmino plus cash, I’d be all over that.


4.) 01 Jun 2021 10:30:16
Ed002I would have thought even with a swap deal with Salah the transfer fee would not be the biggest problem but am sure wages would be a massive issue unless people think Nike are going to pay his wages for us what I bet would be £600k+ 3x what we pay Salah.
If people want to see players like Mbappe playing for us they need to stick to FIFA and football manager.

{Ed002's Note - Nike cannot pay his wages.}


5.) 01 Jun 2021 10:41:59
The question I was going to ask was could Mbappe handle the physicality of the premier league.
And then I actually started to think of all the games I watched last season and realised the physicality of the premier league (which made it the most popular league in the world) is no longer there.
The amounts of time we saw refs blow up for free kicks after minimum or no contact at all or for soft free kicks shows the premier league is not the beast it once was and is now on the same path as European leagues like La Liga and Sierra A.


6.) 01 Jun 2021 10:43:05
It is nice to fantasise about these things but in any instance, it just wouldn’t be very Liverpool. His wages would cause a massive wobble in squad harmony, as the Sanchez signing did for United. The transfer fee can often turn into a millstone that hangs around your neck, and paying that much for a player never makes me comfortable because injuries and loss of form can come for anyone at any time. If they don’t play well then the circus and pressure around the club grows. We also have always done very well in signing players with less media hype around them, ones who are willing to work hard to get to the top of the mountain and don’t see themselves as a bonafide celebrity. Finally, i think Salah will continue to play at the very top of his game for many years to come, and he guarantees you 25+ goals a season. Shaking all that up and binning him off to get a lad coming in from the French league is a massive gamble, you’re just hoping and praying you can get the same kind of returns that Salah gives us.

It would be a huge moment in the history of the club and world football in general, but that isn’t the type of attention we try to cultivate. That isn’t really what Liverpool is about. The risks associated are far higher than people seem to realise and ultimately, the more people who are sleeping on us going into next season the better. That is how we play our best football, that is how we win.


7.) 01 Jun 2021 10:57:50
Mbappe wages are out of our reach atm, we need to focus more what is our necessity on the pitch tho.


8.) 01 Jun 2021 12:26:27
We could sell Mane and Salah, get what we could for Keita, Shaq and Ox. That should cover his wages and transfer fee, just about.
Then all we have to do it wrap him up in cotton wool, hope he NEVER gets injured and scores approx 40 goals a season. Simple 🤔.


9.) 01 Jun 2021 13:16:42
I see this line trotted out a lot: “Nike can help us pay for him”. Do people not realize his current club are supplied by Nike, as are Barcelona, Chelsea, Atletico Madrid and Inter Milan?
It is beyond the realms of absurdity to even suggest that Nike would a) front up such a sum for a partner, and b) risk destroying short-term and long-term relationships with multiple partners in the process of doing so.


10.) 01 Jun 2021 13:36:01
Pretty sure a third party (Nike) can't pay his wages when he is employed by Liverpool, as that would probably begin to go towards third party ownership which I belive is banned.


 

 

01 Jun 2021 09:06:50
Imo if we don’t sign another top quality CM this summer it will be as big a mistake as not signing a CB last year.

As good as Fab, Thiago and Hendo will be for us and is arguably the best midfield 3 in the league, all 3 will be out injured at some point next season. I am happy with Jones/ Ox or even Bobby filling in the more advanced role for a few weeks but we have no one to play at the base of midfield .

An untimely injury to Fabinho/ Hendo or both could derail our season completely and is not a risk worth taking. We need to be capitalising on the fact we have such a strong squad and be winning the league another couple of times before it’s time for the inevitable rebuild.

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1.) 01 Jun 2021 09:19:03
OP, you posted this very same thing a couple of days ago. Take a chill pill. The season just ended and we are in for midfielders already. Relax and enjoy the sunshine, bro. Peace and Love.


2.) 01 Jun 2021 09:27:21
Ed 002 says he thinks we will sign a midfielder so that’s good enough for me. It’s now just a case of choosing the correct players and selling before we can buy.


3.) 01 Jun 2021 10:13:13
Bissouma ideal signing. Can cover the hendo and fab roles when and if needed. And if both are out simultaneously thiago plays the hendo role bissouma in the 6 and Jones/ ox in the advanced.

If you want to push and go what if more of them get injured at the same time, well you can't really prepare for all of your team being simultaneously injured. If it happens you just have to say bad luck and work with some what of a makeshift team.


4.) 01 Jun 2021 10:15:36
I said yesterday that I think Thiago, Hendo and Fab will be a great midfield but between the 3 of them they missed 41 league games this season.
Ox and Naby missed 51 league games.
Wijnaldum featured in all 38 league games and Jones 24. More than happy to see Jones get more game time next season but who then replaces Jones game time and so on.
A solution I suppose is a formation change where we might see Jota, Bobby, Mo and Mane play as a 4 so it actually only requires 2 midfielders thus allowing a midfielder to drop out be it rotation etc.


5.) 01 Jun 2021 10:58:12
We don't need to sign a CM. It will not be a mistake. You can't plan for freak injury situations.


6.) 01 Jun 2021 13:32:24
PakRed, the drop off in quality from our first choice midfielders to the second choices is alarming, ti say ‘you can’t plan for freak injury situations’ is slightly disingenuous, as evidently a fourth centre back signing last summer may have taken the pressure off of us when VVD, Gomez and Matip all fell, so signing at least one quality centre midfielder may help us rotate the first choice players so they don’t get fatigue and also cover us in event if injury.


7.) 01 Jun 2021 18:40:15
VVVV, no it would not have, IMO. A new CB would have been 4th choice hence, the drop off would have been massive as well hence, we would have been in the same mud either way esp since he would be targeted by the opposition on a weekly basis, just like Kabak and Williams were before they got it together.

Furthermore, said CB would have had to play every game hence, vulnerable to injury and we would have still had issues either. Had that happened, how would that have helped, exactly. Repeating the same old, tired rhetoric that a 4th choice CB would have done this or that is just fantasy. We got done by injuries at a specific position. That is it and no amount of rewriting history will change that.


 

 

24 May 2021 21:09:09
Tough decisions to be made this summer imo. Great end to the season but this squad is in need of a refresh while our big players still maintain some/ most of their value vs age.

Happy Mane’s form upturned for the last few games but he still looked well short of the player we saw last year. I think he is the one who has to be sacrificed from the front 3. I would have hands down said Salah this time last year but honestly even though he is greedy and frustrating at times he absolutely ran his socks off for the last few games and you could see how much top 4 meant to him.

Would replace Mane with another winger, maybe Dembele/ Sancho our of those we’ve been linked to and also look to get a young CF or someone like Jovic from RM with a physical presence.

We need another CM who can rotate with Fabinho/ Henderson if needed and will ideally get rid of Naby and Grujic to make some money for this. Camavinga would be the dream but unlikely. Would defs give Ox another year and he adds a completely different dimension if he can stay fit. Hopefully the lack of game time this year has allowed him to fully recover.

Other than that CB is a must, Konate would be great. Realistically Phillips May leave while stock is high and because I also don’t think there will be any takers for Matip. Would love him to stay though. I’d take a few million for Rhys too if we can get it.

Being greedy but another RB would be great too. Like Neco but think he could do with a few loans. The drop off from Trent to him if Trent was out for any significant period of time would potentially ruin our whole season given how crucial he is to the system.

All of the above happens and even if City get Kane they won’t be able to stop us.

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24 May 2021 09:21:54
Special shout out and mention to Fabinho. Salah and Philips had great seasons and my heart would give player of the year to Phillips but let’s be real, without Fabinho we could potentially be looking at finishing below Arsenal.

Gave his all at CB and helped us to some massive wins alongside Matip earlier in the season and then when the team is struggling is moved back into midfield and alongside Thiago commands us through the last 10 games. Absolute baller.

Joshkel91

1.) 24 May 2021 09:28:05
Fabinho is the best defensive midfielder in Europe in my opinion. We're very lucky to have him.

{Ed002's Note - You will likely be unique in that opinion.}


2.) 24 May 2021 09:38:51
26 points from 30 in a 10 game unbeaten run as soon as he went back into his preferred position is the evidence to opinion.


3.) 24 May 2021 09:38:16
who do you think is the best defensive midfielder at the moment ed002 if you don't mind me asking?

havent really been able to watch much football at all this season, i still think its kante though.

fabinho is one of the best currently too imo, i do think that we're very lucky to have him too MK.

{Ed002's Note - Right now Joshua Kimmich has the edge over the likes of Caemiro and Manuel Locatelli, Kante etc.; but there are those coming through like Camavinga, Aurelien Tchouameni, Lucas Gourna-Douath with others like Ilaix Moriba not far behind.}


4.) 24 May 2021 09:48:39
That's fine by me Ed002. Keeps the sharks away if he remains criminally under rated. Long live the Lighthouse 👌.


5.) 24 May 2021 09:51:04
Ed002 - no he won’t.


6.) 24 May 2021 10:11:10
Well said johnzandt. Let's not forget the 196 points, and 4 trophies in the 2 seasons with him in holding midfield.


7.) 24 May 2021 10:36:38
Fabinho is a special player to be fair. Possibly only a couple I would say are better on their day.


8.) 24 May 2021 10:57:39
You all got to remember there are other CDM out side of liverpool you may be surprised if you take those ross tinted glasses of you may find some good players out there heavens forbid that they may even be better than players who play for liverpool.


9.) 24 May 2021 12:13:36
I think Fabinho is a brilliant player. Not far behind the likes of Casemiro but Kimmich is an astoundingly good player. Kante has had a good season, although this is off the back of two relatively mediocre ones (although been played out of position) .

I think at times, as many pundits agree, when Fabinho is on form and playing well he's by far the best defensive midfielder in the league. He reminds me very much of Fernandinho and is essentially our own version of that player.

My problem is that he hasn't shown that consistency over a whole season yet. If he does that then I'll believe he's on the same level as Casemiro and Kimmich etc.


10.) 24 May 2021 12:34:53
Ed Fabinho is obviously better than all the youngsters you listed as coming through. I agree probably behind casemiro and Kimmich but that’s it.

{Ed002's Note - Why is he obviously better? Perhaps you don't understand how good some of these youngsters are?}


11.) 24 May 2021 12:35:26
Oh and Kante obviously number 1.


12.) 24 May 2021 13:22:57
The last run of games where we've seen how good Thiago really is, shows to me how valuable Fabinho is. He's certainly the best DM in the PL. Are Kimmich, Casemiro better? Only real way to know would be if they played in the PL too. I have my opinion no doubt others will have theirs.


13.) 24 May 2021 14:24:41
If Kante is a Holding midfielder, then i'm a Playboy model. The guys like a coked up Jack Russell. Even if he tried to hold, he'd still find himself winning the ball back by the opposition corner flag!


 

 

20 May 2021 20:25:14
Really confused by some of the posts praising Williams on this board. I actually can’t think of a worse CB in the league who is currently starting for any side.

I’ve seen faster CBs on a Sunday morning. Seems to be in his own world sometimes and has no positional sense to make up for his lack of speed. If we could get a few million for him this summer we would be laughing all the way to the bank.

Question for one of the Ed’s who is familiar with how academies work. How do you think it is he managed to stay with Liverpool until this age? In an era where speed seems to be one of the main requirements to make it at the top level, I can’t imagine it was ever thought that he would make it at premier league level.

Joshkel91

1.) 21 May 2021 01:11:29
Never seen anyone so slow or laboured 😂😂

Love the effort but unfortunately he won't make it in the premier league top 6.


2.) 21 May 2021 01:31:21
Best supporters in the world.


3.) 21 May 2021 07:11:14
For once I agree Thunderbird, embarrassing posts about Williams.


4.) 21 May 2021 07:27:35
Haven’t seen anyone so slow or laboured? Then you can’t have seen Piechnik or Pellegrino? And I can assure you that I’ve seen worse defenders than Williams. Kvarme, Traore and Piechnik being just three. Williams may or may not make it, but he is the only option available and he’s doing his best (to say he hasn’t improved immensely would be disingenuous), he may not make it here, which is fine, but while he is here let’s lay off him as he has stood up to be counted and contributed to our last three wins, while other more expensive flashy players have hidden in plain sight.


5.) 21 May 2021 08:12:44
The kid has come in and done a job for us when asked. He isn't Premier League standard at the moment but there is nothing wrong with celebrating a young player trying his best in one of the hardest leagues in football.

I thought positionally he did okay against Burnley and we got the clean sheet. The kid's playing experience is only at Kidderminster Harriers so considering that I think he's done well for himself overall.

If we get top four this season then players like Williams deserve a pat on the back.


6.) 21 May 2021 10:02:53
Nobody thinks he's the long term answer. But he's a kid who was a Kidderminster last year thrown in to play champions League and starting for last season's premier League champions. Often next to different CB partners. The lads done his best and imo deserves backing for one last game before a move in the summer. Wish him all the best.


7.) 21 May 2021 10:41:45
Yikes! The bitterness and salt towards Williams is heavy on this one. Thunderbird 2, you nailed it. We have a kid who is giving his all for our team in spite of his short-comings yet we have those on here who cannot even be arsed to give him his due credit for shouldering such a huge responsibility. Yeah, Best Supporters The World.


8.) 21 May 2021 12:32:50
really embarrassed and sick to death of the stick Williams gets on here by some. He is just a kid and is being thrust well ahead of his development. Yet despite his deficiencies, he is doing a decent job as part of the defence to keep us in games.

He has made some brilliant one on one challenges, and nipping in front of experienced attackers to win and keep the ball.

People talking as if he was signed for millions to solve our defence.


9.) 21 May 2021 14:45:39
Well said Ste.


10.) 21 May 2021 20:49:17
What do you want us to say Thunderbird?

William's had been outstanding the past 4 games and because of that we must never sell him, ever. Please noone mention his lack of pace because even though it looks like he has a lack of pace he doesn't because his pace is deceptive. I'll flip if liverpool sign any cb this summer and cut short this world class talents pathway. Infact he should replace Gomez because of how fabulous he has been.

More like.

Good kid. Good effort. Got us, potentially, to the champions league. Stepped up and has been brave. Unfortunately not good enough and needs to be moved on. Will forever be remembered. Thanks and goodbye.


11.) 22 May 2021 11:43:00
King Klopp, no one is saying rhys is VVD. but the criticism and over analysis of him is pure paralysis by analysis. He is a stop-gap, a kid thrown into the lions den. but the critique of him is as if he is a 5-million signing who hasn't delivered what we thought we were getting.

The attention to pace is embarrassing especially when someone of thw rodl's greatest defenders in the history of football weren't exactly usain bolts.


 

 

 

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10 Jun 2021 17:53:27
No way Barcelona sell Pedri. Got loads of deadwood to get rid of besides him. Great player though. Would assume they will be building their team around him and Fati.

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25 May 2021 07:50:01
If Dembele gets his head right he is an absolute baller. Definitely more naturally talented than Mane. Would hope that Klopp would have a serious conversation around his motivations if we were to sign him.

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24 May 2021 20:58:51
Understand to a certain extent the Spanish clubs Ed but why on earth would his representative be offering him to Chelsea? Surely we would match wages and it is a definite step down at this moment in time. Is Salah that desperate to move on?

Re Mane, I would defs take Dembele and some cash if it meant we could also buy a young CF.

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20 Jun 2021 09:20:20
Mark no offence mate but you are talking nonsense. Just because a manager is getting paid millions doesn’t mean he knows best. You’re the type of guy who thinks Southgate is doing a great job with your logic and wouldn’t have taken Trent to the Euros cz he had a bad patch of the season.

Koke has done nothing for 2 games. He’s a great solid midfielder and very functional - very much in the mould of Athletico’s style - he has nowhere near the creative ability of Thiago, Pedri while a talent isn't yet at Thiago’s level and I would say the same thing if he played for Man U. World class is world class. Facts speak for themselves, Spain haven’t won a game yet playing all these midfielders better than Thiago.

Yes his form was iffy for a while but the last 10 games of the season he looked the fittest I’ve ever seen him. Was also class when played in the friendly vs portugal but yes I’m not a manager so don’t know anything. Give it a break mate, with people like you the site would be dead.

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19 Jun 2021 22:35:06
No red tinted glasses Thiago is a better player than Rodri, koke and pedri who are all starting ahead of him. Although Pedri will be an absolute baller tbf.

Crazy by Enrique although he does keep sticking with Morata and hasn’t even put Traore on for the last 10 mins when they have needed a goal but opted for Sarabia instead so says it all really.

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14 Jun 2021 13:37:30
Away goal is rubbish, play 90 mins both home and away so not needed. Sick of teams getting knocked out when the tie is a draw on away goals. Would prefer a clear winner.

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03 Jun 2021 13:31:35
Hendo will remain club captain as long as he is at the club which I would think will be the end of his career.

As for his successor - Trent all day long. Not even a debate.

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03 Jun 2021 12:10:37
Yep AW, totally understand your point. Could definitely be viewed as a waste of money although if we bought in a quality RB to cover you could argue they would get about 20 games a season in cups etc and give Trent a rest when needed. Possibly more if he sustained an injury.

Would also give Trent a chance to play a few games in midfield which I would love to see him to. Think he could play the Hendo role quite easily but also would add a lot more goals from midfield. Would love him to get more shooting opportunities in similar positions like vs West Ham.

All however boils down to how good the club think Neco is. If he is going to be trusted for 15 - 20 games a season then great but if not then I think send him out on loan to get experience and decide on him at a later date.
No point him sitting on the bench like Tsimi all season even though he’s available.

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