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18 Sep 2020 12:41:44
Ed002 is there any new news on players leaving seen loads of are players linked with moves away have any clubs should any real interest in any players. I see a lot about us hoping to add a wide player if we did I would think Origi's days would be numbered he all ready looks like he has fallen behind Minamino do you know if any clubs have a interest in him.

grino75

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have agents working on finding their players new clubs but they are struggling to find buyers to bring much needed cash. At present efforts surround asking for loans. It has to be resolved in the next couple of weeks. I am not aware of any approached to Liverpool for DO but his agent will have been speaking with clubs.}


1.) 18 Sep 2020 13:18:56
Cheers Ed002.


 

 

12 Aug 2020 10:20:03
morning everybody
Ed002 I see reports last night that Liverpool have not opened talks with Gini yet is that true if so i finf it strange they are leaving it so late.
All so ed I see 2 reports today that Lazio are interested in Origi do you know if there is any truth in that.
thanks again ed002.

grino75

{Ed002's Note - I would expect GW to be on holiday at present and his contract does not run out this summer, so I don't see it as a concern. If Klopp pushes to recruit Thiago he might have to be the one sold in any case.

I don't know of Lazio interest but it would likely rest on the departure of Ciro Immobile. They are certainly interested in others.}


 

 

08 Aug 2020 10:13:06
eds is there any new updates on clubs looking to sign Harry Wilson, Xherdan Shaqiri and Marko Grujic. They seem the fringe players we would get most for. I see there has been a few clubs linked with Wilson over the last couple of days did not know if its paper talk or real interest. cheers eds.

grino75

{Ed002's Note - There is interest in Grujic and Wilson but I am not aware of any approaches for Shaqiri.}


1.) 08 Aug 2020 11:17:02
Hope it's not loan interest, we need the cash .


2.) 08 Aug 2020 13:04:22
cheers ed002.


3.) 08 Aug 2020 13:56:00
The club will probably want in excess of 20 Million for each. In this environment, I highly doubt there will be buyers. Looks like it will be loans again.


4.) 09 Aug 2020 19:33:25
i hope we keep Shaq and that he stars in an injury free season.
Little magician.


5.) 09 Aug 2020 22:51:26
The club apparently are only going to consider permanent moves for grujic and Wilson now and won't let either spend another season on loan. We could get 20mil at least for each which is a possible 40-50mil for 2 players never involved in our squads success. Thiago could be added for half that income while his wages covered by what lallana and lovren both on 100k+ no longer on the books. Shaqiri and karius will likely demand a fee higher than what they cost us also and can help us maybe add a CB and/ or possibly an extra attacker if a player is available at the right price. If we add kostas, thiago, a better younger CB to lovren and an attacker who gives us more than shaqiri has while spending less or similar than the money we get by losing lovren, karius, grujic, Wilson, shaqiri. That group only had lovren and Shaqiri play a part with us and both offered very minimal impact while now ageing also so it would be incredible to strenghten with 3 or 4 players who each give our squad more strength while not costing us any extra investing. Add the likes of Williams, Jones, Elliot, Brewster etc who continue to develop and might become players in coming seasons that prevent us having to spend big money for alternative options. I expect minamino to offer at least 5 times his expenditure while keita can only give us more value for his fee.

We are still looking to be operating very wisely in the market yet all I see is negative and frustrated fans who feel we simply can't improve without splashing out on marquee transfers and keep up with city or Chelsea who have already spent 80mil and 100mil on 2 players respectively. 1 of those we passed up on, another has question marks over his attitude which has seem him overlooked for last few seasons, another is an overpriced defender who looks good on the ball which hides his defensive weaknesses that he always showed in Bournemouths messy backline while the other is a young prospect only who may struggle coming to England without yet having proved anything.

David Silva, willian both top first choice leave for nothing while the likes of kompany and hazard only now being replaced by inferior players. They are not in reality getting stronger that many seem to fear and think that just because they are spending big while we have not been losing anyone crucial that needs us to splash out on that we aren't looking to improve. We might add a world class midfielder for 25mil at a bargain and also a top LB cover for 12mil to give us strenght in 2 positions that never required a player replacement from last season anyway and only gives us added depth. 2 players who combined will cost less than ake or either of Chelsea new boys each. Any 2 players from lovren, shaqiri, grujic or Wilson will bring us in the money for 2 players who offer our team so so much more in quality yet all I see is fans resigned to the idea that we won't be improving our squad this summer when in fact we are actually looking like we can bring in 2 or 3 who would drastically make us better.

{Ed002's Note - This is a very naive standpoint.}


 

 

26 Jul 2020 13:48:02
Ed002 is there any news on marko grujic, are Hertha interested in signing him. Am I right in thinking they are a club with money to spend did they get taken over or something Ed am sure I heard something about them having money to spend when the German football was on or am I getting them mixed up with an other team.
Cheers Ed.

grino75

{Ed002's Note - Marko Grujic (CM) Liverpool will most likely opt to take a good profit and run as there is no guarantee of a Work Permit being granted or place in the team - and critically Grujic is not HG - but the player wants a chance. Hertha Berlin asked for a third year on loan with an obligation to buy at the end of the loan but Liverpool want to sell the player now and Borussia Monchengladbach may offer a solution as they see Grujic as an ideal Denis Zakaria replacement but will start discussions with the idea of a loan with an obigation to buy. Other options exist in Italy with Lazio who, like Borussia Monchengladbach, have been talking to his agent and Liverpool will likely get offers from both clubs. Napoli may just show an interest as well.

All of these clubs can afford to buy him.}


1.) 26 Jul 2020 17:35:28
I know you don't like talking figures but can I ask what sort of payment we might receive for him?

{Ed002's Note - Perhaps £15M - something of that order.}


2.) 26 Jul 2020 19:03:57
ed002 the £15m has that gone down with C.V. or is that about right for him. If its because of C.V. maybe a loan would be better. Do you think Napoli would take him on loan a good season in Italy would see his value go up. A lot of players from around that part of Europe seem to do well in Italy.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool want to sell him not loan him out as they need to raise some funds towards a transfer or two. For most people he is a very good player they should look to integrate - but he will never be Home Grown.}


3.) 26 Jul 2020 21:28:26
Ed, Has the fee gone down because of performance and Corona, or just cause of corona? 25M was the talk last season, which seemed about right for a star performer in the German league.

{Ed002's Note - It is what Liverpool can expect as clubs are all struggling financially.}


4.) 26 Jul 2020 22:05:26
He is far from a star performer in Germany. I watched him a lot the last 2 seasons. He wouldn't get near the Liverpool frst 11.
£15m/ £20m is right. Same as wilson - no chance for Liverpool first team both a level or 2 down.


5.) 27 Jul 2020 09:20:20
His previous manager at HB said he was the heartbeat of the team last season. He is clearly good enough for a second tier german side, at least, and it AM are interested, as mentioned previously then surely he is held in high regard.


6.) 27 Jul 2020 10:36:35
Lets see where he ends up. I doubt very much he will go to AM and if he did he would't get much game time. We are the best team in world football, our job now is to stay there. Players like Grujic and Wilson are not of our required level. These are the type of players who we bought on a regular basis up until Klopp arrived.


7.) 27 Jul 2020 00:09:32
ed2 - seems a shame he won't get the chance in England. he looks like a kid with all the attributes to do well over here. Just a couple questions regards Work permit cos I don't know much about it:

1- Just noting that Marko is 24 yrs old. Do the criteria for granting WP apply at all ages?

2- specifically for Marko, what areas can he realistically get enough points?

cheers!

{Ed002's Note - All working adults have to have a work permit if from outside of the EU and as of the new year all working adults will require a WP. He does not qualify on the points based system and would need to be dealt with as an exception.}


8.) 27 Jul 2020 12:46:55
Mark08, we don't need him Grujic to become a starter cos that is not why he was signed nor loaned out. I have watched him at Berlin myself and he is a very good player and has been great for them as well. So great that they were willing to I think, pay a loan fee for his second year loan as that is how much they valued him.

He is a good player who won't make it here cos there are better players ahead of him, not cos he is a bad player, IMO. But like you said, let us see where he ends up but make no mistake about it, the guy is a baller, man.


 

 

22 Jul 2020 15:36:55
ed002 is there any news on Adrian there was talk of somebody having interest in him a bit back. He did ok for us but nothing special seems a good way to free up a HG place in the squad. Am not sure how the 2 young keepers have done I know Kamil Grabara has been on loan I think he has done ok so am sure he could take Adrian's place or do you think he is better of on loan playing more football.

grino75

{Ed002's Note - The interest was from Real Betis but they wanted him released from the last year of this contract. Liverpool have not shown any intention to do that. The kids have done well I understand.}


1.) 22 Jul 2020 17:25:26
ed002 do you think they would be better off on loan then rather than just sitting on the bench playing the odd cup match.

{Ed002's Note - The kids would have to provide an option for the first team and cover the Under 23s who play in PL2 - so one could go on loan. The others:
Shamal George (G) Gone
Loris Karius (G) Liverpool find him back on the doorstep and will need to find a solution - perhaps a reduced price and an early exit - CSKA and Hertha Berlin offer opportunities - does not wish to return to Turkey although there is interest from there. With Boeckx getting toward the end of his career and Roef's departure this summer already agreed Anderlecht would like him to challenge first choice Van Crombrugge. Wolves need cover, but Karius would not be first choice there - and regular playing time is what he will be after.}
Andy Lonergan (G) out of contract - could stay if Adrian leaves
Adrian (G) has a year to run on his contract but Real Betis would like Liverpool to release him for free this summer - but the club would prefer him to stay - and I expect him the stay

Liverpool have added a well thought of kiddie in Fabian Mrozek (GK).


2.) 22 Jul 2020 17:53:22
That’s the third polish keeper we will have.

I would expect Keheller and Grabara to go out on loan for the year.


3.) 22 Jul 2020 23:43:26
Montpellier are also interested in Karius according to the BBC.


4.) 22 Jul 2020 23:56:16
I'd definately think it's best to get the youngsters out where they can play regularly for a season and use an experienced keeper as back up. If the likes of grabara or kelliher were thrown into action immediately and for a couple of months like start of this season the pressure may be too much if a mistake or 2 were made as they are not ready yet to perform under that expectancy. Look at courtois and Dean Henderson who's careers have kicked on after a couple of years on loan instead of spending that time behind de gea and Petr cech just like our current keepers who won't play ahead of Allison.


5.) 23 Jul 2020 20:03:35
Har_red92 I don't think you can that about Courtois he was playing top class football before he went back Chelsea with A Madrid.


6.) 25 Jul 2020 04:00:10
That was my point, Chelsea let him develop by playing regularly at atletico Madrid as a youngster and it was that period on loan which made him improve drastically from prospect to top quality. Young GKs need to play regularly to have the best chance of lifting their game to being no.1 instead of wasting years as no.2 to top rated GKs.


 

 

 

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19 Oct 2020 16:53:11
For me thinking about all challenges like that from one Pickford. From a a kid growing up watching football in the 80s with some bad tackles that have been banned that from Pickford was a cowardly challenge keepers all was used to be brave and go in with there hands maybe if someone comments a bad challenge like that totally reckless there nan should be as long as the injury.

And we see 2 yesterday bad challenges and I don't mean a ban for the son was last season what was a very bad injury for the Everton player but we all know a bad challenge when we see one and every club has had players do them.

grino75

1.) 19 Oct 2020 17:36:41
I don’t think he intentionally goes out to injure VVD and I bet he feels horrible for doing so. It was reckless and moronic but that’s about it I think. Everton need him replaced ASAP though he’s shocking.


2.) 19 Oct 2020 19:46:16
mikey am sure no player does go out to intentionally injury players but there is no need to ever challenge like that. And if that was a young player just breaking into the first team and somebody does a challenge like that but its a worse injury and ends there career how much money does that player lose. A rule where if you make a challenge like that or a high two footed tackle that causes an injury the ban should last as long as the injury.


3.) 19 Oct 2020 20:41:54
Oh they definitely do Grino. Players go out to injure players every week.


 

 

18 Oct 2020 21:51:27
Ed001 With the VVD injury what is the best case scenario for an injury like that needing surgery. Got to feel positive in circumstances like this ed.

grino75

{Ed001's Note - 6-7 months out.}


1.) 18 Oct 2020 22:39:17
It's a big loss clearly. this is the time for others to step up and prove their worth. come on Reds! YNWA.


2.) 19 Oct 2020 01:09:26
It’s a huge loss, I think matip and Gomez are going to struggle without VVDs physicality and leadership.

Personally I hope we ask Fabinho to step into LCB as he is probably now the best defender we have. I think he will be a more consistent option than relying on Gomez/ Matip partnership for rest of the season, and a midfield of Thiago, Hendo and Gini would still be strong enough to win this league.


 

 

17 Oct 2020 18:58:15
ed025 I thought it was a good game today, eVARton had the luck with var. Pickford should have gone and we lost are way for a few minutes after VVD went off and Adrian was awful for your first goal. I thought Liverpool was on top for most of the first half. I thought you was better in the second half and Calvert Lewin should have put you in front. I thought Thiago was the best player on the pitch by a long way but we wasted a lot of chances Salah before he scored had 2 very weak efforts. I thought Pickford should have gone but he did not and should maybe have got MOTM 2 or 3 really good saves to keep you in the game.

As for var it was supposed to come in to eradicate mistakes like the Pickford foul but instead it is getting used to give stupid penalties and it seems to make more mistakes than the refs use to make with nobody ever getting the stick for it.

grino75

{Ed025's Note - i cant argue with any of that grino, as usual you have got it spot on mate..


 

 

06 Oct 2020 12:17:50
ed002 will all games carry on being shown live after the international break?
cheers ed002.

grino75

{Ed002's Note - The agreement was for September and then extended to cover October. The PL and broadcasters are trying to reach an agreement on what to do next.}


1.) 06 Oct 2020 13:01:52
ed002 will the government be pushing for them to be shown live again like they did in September and October.

{Ed002's Note - The clubs will fight against it.}


2.) 06 Oct 2020 13:57:23
Is that because they want to see the reintroduction of fans Ed.

{Ed002's Note - No, it is because of the costs to the clubs.}


3.) 06 Oct 2020 14:03:13
I hope they do. I don't watch all the games but I watch a lot more now when there are games on more or less every night of the week. Are clubs pushing against it in the hope of pressurising the government to let fans in then. Shame they are against their fans being able to watch them on the tele.


4.) 06 Oct 2020 14:16:00
Why? Don’t they get more TV money?

{Ed002's Note - No they don't and they have far higher costs that the clubs have to pay for - the PL clubs managed to persuade the broadcasters to accept a cost deferment for a year - but as an example, the PL need to repay £330M plus £35M per week for last season. Of this, Liverpool owe circa £25M. Right now it is costing the PL about £35M per week as this continues - that is why the clubs are not happy.}


5.) 06 Oct 2020 14:22:57
What the negatives from allowing both crowds and games to be shown live? Surely most prem league fan bases will be able to get 10k fans in and still have a surplus of demand?

{Ed002's Note - Neither are viable at all.}


 

 

02 Oct 2020 14:15:02
ed001 do you think Brewster's transfer to Sheff Utd will be a good move. Just wondering if you think he has the work rate to play upfront for Sheff Utd as there strikers do have to work very hard.

grino75

{Ed001's Note - it really depends on how they do. If they get relegated it will be a mistake, but otherwise it is a chance to play regularly.}


1.) 02 Oct 2020 18:45:41
I'm really gutted to see him go, but happy that he's going to get a proper chance at a high level. The buy-back clause is a slight sweetener.

I think this type of deal is something we should do more frequently with our less experienced players, better than shipping them out on loan which involves less commitment from both the player and the purchasing club imo.


2.) 03 Oct 2020 01:15:00
I think Brewster will do well there. Reminds me a bit of ings going to Southampton where he was asked to step up and become the main man in attack. Sheff Utd are needing the same role to be filled by Brewster so he might shine hopefully.


 

 

 

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16 Oct 2020 20:04:27
The Irish Rover hopefully he does well there and gets a move back to the prem but it would have done him no good staying here. He is about to turn 22 in November and we are stacked out where he plays and it is much better for him to move and play first team football rather than play U23 level with us.

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16 Oct 2020 19:03:26
he might have been well thought of ed but he was way down the pecking order and would have never got any minutes best thing for him like Brewster I wanted him to stay and play but would have done him no good.

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16 Oct 2020 15:49:45
Ed002 I don't think its a shame if he was only good enough for Barnsley and not even a low level prem side his never going to make it with us so good luck to the lad he can settle down at a club for the long term.

grino75

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool will he playing with smaller squads in Europe and when the rules in the Premier League change they will have a smaller squad than others sides. Kane was well thought of by the pub - I guess they don’t know their stuff.}


 

 

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13 Oct 2020 13:49:47
I think 60% should be put in for English teams Ed all that most of the owners of these teams are doing is gambling on getting up and wanting more money from the top of the game. I think ed if we pay more money to the lower leagues it would not sort the problem out they would just spend more trying to get up and drive the wages higher.

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{Ed002's Note - There is guidance which is set at 70%.}


 

 

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13 Oct 2020 13:07:16
ed002 I think there is far to much being put on the premier league by the whole of football. It is a business like every other the amount of greengrocers butchers and bakeries that have closed because of the big supermarkets all over the country and there is no call to take money of them. The average weekly wage uk is about £600 yet in league 2 it is over £2000 a week and the standard is awful, Am from Grimsby ed and the last few times I went to watch Grimsby play it was not much better than Sunday league football. Am past playing now ed but when I did play Sunday league Adam Buckley was playing for Grimsby in the championship and he use to come training with us he was not even in the top 5 players at training. I don't know of any country that has so many pro teams like the uk ed. I see that league 1 average weekly wage is over £4000 that's the problem ed all them clubs are paying way over the odds and that needs to stop not expect somebody else to help run your club.

grino75

{Ed002's Note - Certainly the owners of some clubs would like to see a salary cap introduced but it is difficult to implement at a player-level when we are so far down the line. Implementing it at club level can be done (e.g. no more than 60% of income can be spent on wages) but there is a problem doing that from country to country, where the likes of Portugal, a very much poorer nation, see far less revenue than say England. Porto are a very successful side but get less than a third of the revenue that a club like Liverpool gets. At the lower tiers of English football, it is hard to see how the professional game can be sustained - and this I have explained in detail before.}


 

 

 

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19 Oct 2020 19:46:16
mikey am sure no player does go out to intentionally injury players but there is no need to ever challenge like that. And if that was a young player just breaking into the first team and somebody does a challenge like that but its a worse injury and ends there career how much money does that player lose. A rule where if you make a challenge like that or a high two footed tackle that causes an injury the ban should last as long as the injury.

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18 Oct 2020 16:28:52
Can’t even compare Thiago to Alonso totally different players but to say to say Alonso was average is one of the silliest things I have heard. But I all ways thought Thiago was a good player but his so much better than are 3 midfielders and does take us to another level let’s just hope his injury is not to bad and same for VVD and we get Alisson back soon.

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18 Oct 2020 11:15:54
ed001 I don't won't VVD out for the season but for me at the minute Alisson is a bigger miss Adrian looks worse every time I see him its like the bad old days of having Karius or Mignolet in goal.

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17 Oct 2020 21:07:12
WYred my problem with var is the refs running it are making far more mistakes than the refs did before they had it so instead of making the decisions better there making them worse to slow the game down.

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06 Oct 2020 13:57:23
Is that because they want to see the reintroduction of fans Ed.

grino75

{Ed002's Note - No, it is because of the costs to the clubs.}