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08 Aug 2020 10:13:06
eds is there any new updates on clubs looking to sign Harry Wilson, Xherdan Shaqiri and Marko Grujic. They seem the fringe players we would get most for. I see there has been a few clubs linked with Wilson over the last couple of days did not know if its paper talk or real interest. cheers eds.

grino75

{Ed002's Note - There is interest in Grujic and Wilson but I am not aware of any approaches for Shaqiri.}


1.) 08 Aug 2020 11:17:02
Hope it's not loan interest, we need the cash .


2.) 08 Aug 2020 13:04:22
cheers ed002.


3.) 08 Aug 2020 13:56:00
The club will probably want in excess of 20 Million for each. In this environment, I highly doubt there will be buyers. Looks like it will be loans again.


4.) 09 Aug 2020 19:33:25
i hope we keep Shaq and that he stars in an injury free season.
Little magician.


5.) 09 Aug 2020 22:51:26
The club apparently are only going to consider permanent moves for grujic and Wilson now and won't let either spend another season on loan. We could get 20mil at least for each which is a possible 40-50mil for 2 players never involved in our squads success. Thiago could be added for half that income while his wages covered by what lallana and lovren both on 100k+ no longer on the books. Shaqiri and karius will likely demand a fee higher than what they cost us also and can help us maybe add a CB and/ or possibly an extra attacker if a player is available at the right price. If we add kostas, thiago, a better younger CB to lovren and an attacker who gives us more than shaqiri has while spending less or similar than the money we get by losing lovren, karius, grujic, Wilson, shaqiri. That group only had lovren and Shaqiri play a part with us and both offered very minimal impact while now ageing also so it would be incredible to strenghten with 3 or 4 players who each give our squad more strength while not costing us any extra investing. Add the likes of Williams, Jones, Elliot, Brewster etc who continue to develop and might become players in coming seasons that prevent us having to spend big money for alternative options. I expect minamino to offer at least 5 times his expenditure while keita can only give us more value for his fee.

We are still looking to be operating very wisely in the market yet all I see is negative and frustrated fans who feel we simply can't improve without splashing out on marquee transfers and keep up with city or Chelsea who have already spent 80mil and 100mil on 2 players respectively. 1 of those we passed up on, another has question marks over his attitude which has seem him overlooked for last few seasons, another is an overpriced defender who looks good on the ball which hides his defensive weaknesses that he always showed in Bournemouths messy backline while the other is a young prospect only who may struggle coming to England without yet having proved anything.

David Silva, willian both top first choice leave for nothing while the likes of kompany and hazard only now being replaced by inferior players. They are not in reality getting stronger that many seem to fear and think that just because they are spending big while we have not been losing anyone crucial that needs us to splash out on that we aren't looking to improve. We might add a world class midfielder for 25mil at a bargain and also a top LB cover for 12mil to give us strenght in 2 positions that never required a player replacement from last season anyway and only gives us added depth. 2 players who combined will cost less than ake or either of Chelsea new boys each. Any 2 players from lovren, shaqiri, grujic or Wilson will bring us in the money for 2 players who offer our team so so much more in quality yet all I see is fans resigned to the idea that we won't be improving our squad this summer when in fact we are actually looking like we can bring in 2 or 3 who would drastically make us better.

{Ed002's Note - This is a very naive standpoint.}


 

 

26 Jul 2020 13:48:02
Ed002 is there any news on marko grujic, are Hertha interested in signing him. Am I right in thinking they are a club with money to spend did they get taken over or something Ed am sure I heard something about them having money to spend when the German football was on or am I getting them mixed up with an other team.
Cheers Ed.

grino75

{Ed002's Note - Marko Grujic (CM) Liverpool will most likely opt to take a good profit and run as there is no guarantee of a Work Permit being granted or place in the team - and critically Grujic is not HG - but the player wants a chance. Hertha Berlin asked for a third year on loan with an obligation to buy at the end of the loan but Liverpool want to sell the player now and Borussia Monchengladbach may offer a solution as they see Grujic as an ideal Denis Zakaria replacement but will start discussions with the idea of a loan with an obigation to buy. Other options exist in Italy with Lazio who, like Borussia Monchengladbach, have been talking to his agent and Liverpool will likely get offers from both clubs. Napoli may just show an interest as well.

All of these clubs can afford to buy him.}


1.) 26 Jul 2020 17:35:28
I know you don't like talking figures but can I ask what sort of payment we might receive for him?

{Ed002's Note - Perhaps £15M - something of that order.}


2.) 26 Jul 2020 19:03:57
ed002 the £15m has that gone down with C.V. or is that about right for him. If its because of C.V. maybe a loan would be better. Do you think Napoli would take him on loan a good season in Italy would see his value go up. A lot of players from around that part of Europe seem to do well in Italy.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool want to sell him not loan him out as they need to raise some funds towards a transfer or two. For most people he is a very good player they should look to integrate - but he will never be Home Grown.}


3.) 26 Jul 2020 21:28:26
Ed, Has the fee gone down because of performance and Corona, or just cause of corona? 25M was the talk last season, which seemed about right for a star performer in the German league.

{Ed002's Note - It is what Liverpool can expect as clubs are all struggling financially.}


4.) 26 Jul 2020 22:05:26
He is far from a star performer in Germany. I watched him a lot the last 2 seasons. He wouldn't get near the Liverpool frst 11.
£15m/ £20m is right. Same as wilson - no chance for Liverpool first team both a level or 2 down.


5.) 27 Jul 2020 09:20:20
His previous manager at HB said he was the heartbeat of the team last season. He is clearly good enough for a second tier german side, at least, and it AM are interested, as mentioned previously then surely he is held in high regard.


6.) 27 Jul 2020 10:36:35
Lets see where he ends up. I doubt very much he will go to AM and if he did he would't get much game time. We are the best team in world football, our job now is to stay there. Players like Grujic and Wilson are not of our required level. These are the type of players who we bought on a regular basis up until Klopp arrived.


7.) 27 Jul 2020 00:09:32
ed2 - seems a shame he won't get the chance in England. he looks like a kid with all the attributes to do well over here. Just a couple questions regards Work permit cos I don't know much about it:

1- Just noting that Marko is 24 yrs old. Do the criteria for granting WP apply at all ages?

2- specifically for Marko, what areas can he realistically get enough points?

cheers!

{Ed002's Note - All working adults have to have a work permit if from outside of the EU and as of the new year all working adults will require a WP. He does not qualify on the points based system and would need to be dealt with as an exception.}


8.) 27 Jul 2020 12:46:55
Mark08, we don't need him Grujic to become a starter cos that is not why he was signed nor loaned out. I have watched him at Berlin myself and he is a very good player and has been great for them as well. So great that they were willing to I think, pay a loan fee for his second year loan as that is how much they valued him.

He is a good player who won't make it here cos there are better players ahead of him, not cos he is a bad player, IMO. But like you said, let us see where he ends up but make no mistake about it, the guy is a baller, man.


 

 

22 Jul 2020 15:36:55
ed002 is there any news on Adrian there was talk of somebody having interest in him a bit back. He did ok for us but nothing special seems a good way to free up a HG place in the squad. Am not sure how the 2 young keepers have done I know Kamil Grabara has been on loan I think he has done ok so am sure he could take Adrian's place or do you think he is better of on loan playing more football.

grino75

{Ed002's Note - The interest was from Real Betis but they wanted him released from the last year of this contract. Liverpool have not shown any intention to do that. The kids have done well I understand.}


1.) 22 Jul 2020 17:25:26
ed002 do you think they would be better off on loan then rather than just sitting on the bench playing the odd cup match.

{Ed002's Note - The kids would have to provide an option for the first team and cover the Under 23s who play in PL2 - so one could go on loan. The others:
Shamal George (G) Gone
Loris Karius (G) Liverpool find him back on the doorstep and will need to find a solution - perhaps a reduced price and an early exit - CSKA and Hertha Berlin offer opportunities - does not wish to return to Turkey although there is interest from there. With Boeckx getting toward the end of his career and Roef's departure this summer already agreed Anderlecht would like him to challenge first choice Van Crombrugge. Wolves need cover, but Karius would not be first choice there - and regular playing time is what he will be after.}
Andy Lonergan (G) out of contract - could stay if Adrian leaves
Adrian (G) has a year to run on his contract but Real Betis would like Liverpool to release him for free this summer - but the club would prefer him to stay - and I expect him the stay

Liverpool have added a well thought of kiddie in Fabian Mrozek (GK).


2.) 22 Jul 2020 17:53:22
That’s the third polish keeper we will have.

I would expect Keheller and Grabara to go out on loan for the year.


3.) 22 Jul 2020 23:43:26
Montpellier are also interested in Karius according to the BBC.


4.) 22 Jul 2020 23:56:16
I'd definately think it's best to get the youngsters out where they can play regularly for a season and use an experienced keeper as back up. If the likes of grabara or kelliher were thrown into action immediately and for a couple of months like start of this season the pressure may be too much if a mistake or 2 were made as they are not ready yet to perform under that expectancy. Look at courtois and Dean Henderson who's careers have kicked on after a couple of years on loan instead of spending that time behind de gea and Petr cech just like our current keepers who won't play ahead of Allison.


5.) 23 Jul 2020 20:03:35
Har_red92 I don't think you can that about Courtois he was playing top class football before he went back Chelsea with A Madrid.


6.) 25 Jul 2020 04:00:10
That was my point, Chelsea let him develop by playing regularly at atletico Madrid as a youngster and it was that period on loan which made him improve drastically from prospect to top quality. Young GKs need to play regularly to have the best chance of lifting their game to being no.1 instead of wasting years as no.2 to top rated GKs.


 

 

28 May 2020 15:30:01
premier league to start from 17th of june hope this news is true.

grino75

1.) 28 May 2020 15:41:41
its been reported on the bbc page. Man city vs Arsenal and Villa vs Sheffield utd, that will be followed by a full round of fixtures W/ C 19-21 june.


2.) 28 May 2020 15:59:41
Still not going to celebrate just yet, think the key will be the tests and results after contact training returns. If a small amount come back positive then I think we will be ok, a large amount or a high amount within one team and we will be back to square one.


3.) 28 May 2020 17:35:59
there is a virus ok but it’s blown out of proportion 4 people I’ve heard died 2 cancer 1 old age 1 heart attack and they were told they had the virus, get the ball rolling and it be forgotten!


 

 

20 May 2020 10:37:29
ed002 what do you expect to happen with Brewster. Do you think he has got what it takes to play at the very top. do you see him staying at Swansea next season or do you think he might get a loan move somewhere else.

grino75

{Ed002's Note - Throughout his career to date it has been expected that he would have a good future - then he got injured which has been a bit of a set back. I think a loan to Swansea again woud perhaps be a good solution - but what happens with the AFCON will be in the mind of the club. Everyone seems comfortable he has what it takes.}


1.) 20 May 2020 11:06:44
Thanks Ed was not sure if the injury was a bit Career refining with it being so bad. If we do make a move for Timo could you see a loan the other way for him as part of the deal.

{Ed002's Note - It came at a bad time.}


2.) 20 May 2020 14:19:23
Same could be said of paul glatze, he looks like he also has real potential.


3.) 20 May 2020 18:04:41
I think he has a future at Liverpool, he just needs to be patient and learn to play a number of roles in the forward line.

This virus maybe a blessing in disguise for him as we may hold back on buying a new forward.


4.) 20 May 2020 21:27:57
If we buy Werner then that pushes Brewster down the pecking order I’m afraid, also Divock is in front of him.


5.) 21 May 2020 08:17:27
It’s looking unlikely we will sign werner.


 

 

 

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03 Aug 2020 20:28:46
ed001 do you expect gini wijnaldum to sign a new contract it seems have been going on for a long time. It looks like he might be after a free transfer move next year to me, there is nothing the club can do now even if they tried to sell if his got his mind set on a free transfer he will just turn any move down.

grino75

{Ed001's Note - no, I don't think he is going to sign or he already would have done so.}


1.) 03 Aug 2020 20:50:10
free transfer next summer then ed. I hope he still gives 100% next season if he is still here. when a player is running his contract down they all ways have injuring them self's on there mind a bad injury and they have nowhere to go.


2.) 03 Aug 2020 20:56:03
I can't believe it. He's been an integral part of Liverpool's success. He's loved by the fans and he seems popular with his team mates. Liverpool have finally got to where we want to be and he wants out? I can't get my head around it?

I can only imagine he has a destination in mind. Maybe it says a lot about keita's form. Perhaps gini doesn't see a future with us. Hendo is captain, fab is holding and keita and ox are more direct. But he is the type of cm you need. Selfless, solid, skillful. I'll be genuinely gutted if he leaves.

The only other thing I can think of, is he is an AM traditionally. Klopp changed him to a proper cm. But he wants to go somewhere where he is used as an AM?

If I had to choose between integrating a 29 Yr old into our team or keeping gini. It's wjinaldum all day for me. We will never forget his Barcelona brace. It was incredible, and he's a Liverpool hero. I haven't been as gutted since Gerrard left. It's not on the same level. More gutted than couts leaving.

Please sign a deal gini. We absolutely love you man. That cl campaign; Hendo gini and milly. It was awesome. If you're an opposition midfielder, you know you are in for a fight you're almost definitely going to lose with those 3.


3.) 03 Aug 2020 21:19:44
Or maybe he just fancies a move home or to another league. he's done 4 years at the club and has been a great professional. If he sees out his contract and moves on then the very best of luck to him.


4.) 03 Aug 2020 21:20:09
Robbie if he was going to sign the deal he was offered last year, he would have signed it already. IMO, he ain't signing it and could be off this summer if he doesn't which could explain why we are in for Thiago.

Am I peeved that he could leave? Absolutely cos I think he is a brilliant football with a footballing IQ off the charts, IMO but this is a business and if he leaves, he will have my blessing and I would wish him all the best cos he has truly killed at LFC, IMO.


5.) 03 Aug 2020 21:27:12
Yeah, I echo you RM and Irish. I will be thankful, but also gutted.


6.) 03 Aug 2020 21:53:26
I hope from a business perspective they try come to some sort of agreement he doesn’t leave for free. 30mill plus they should surely consider it if he isn’t going to sign.


7.) 03 Aug 2020 22:26:12
I can't think for one second that he would consider moving back home at what is a relatively young age.
If he doesn't sign that will be very disappointing. Hate when good players walk out the door with no fee attached. It's not like we're loaded but what can you do? Why would you want to leave anyway is beyond me.


8.) 03 Aug 2020 22:03:31
Look if he goes he goes once he's replaced adequately Ed001.


9.) 04 Aug 2020 00:45:39
Seems strange not to want to stay, think he’s got the third most appearances last season, and I’m not sure real and Barcelona will come calling - although they did sign Paulinho.

Where else is he going to go and have as much chance as winning silverware and starting as much.

If it were me, I’d go for another 2/ 3 years then move.


10.) 04 Aug 2020 01:02:14
Ed001 do you have a clue as to why he won't sign. He is first choice at a top club unless he wants to go to another league and experience something else.

{Ed001's Note - it is a personal decision.}


11.) 04 Aug 2020 06:37:43
I wonder what kind of club he'd have his eye on if leaving. Presumably he'd want to leave the Premier league. Could see him doing well in Spain or Italy. Still strikes me as strange when he's first choice with us though.


12.) 04 Aug 2020 09:49:16
I'm pretty sure he is the most used midfielder under Klopp so that picture paints a thousand words on what Klopp thinks of him and how reliable he is. I personally rate him a lot but he is one of those players who is like marmite and it might be a case of we don't know what we've lost until he's gone.


13.) 05 Aug 2020 11:26:01
I think it’s more likely we haven’t offered him either the money or length of contract that he wants.


 

 

03 Aug 2020 12:26:28
ed001 what do you think about the reports of Villa being in for Origi would you cash in on him. I think we should and try to bring in a more natural wide player to put pressure of Salah and Mane as good as they have been they have wasted a lot of chances this season. Same with Bobby I would bring Brewster back to put Pressure on him. Are midfielders no they cannot not perform because we have top class players ready to take there place.

grino75

{Ed001's Note - no I wouldn't cash in on him, he is a very reliable replacement option. In big games he comes in and scores, that is invaluable. Have you forgotten Minamino?}


1.) 03 Aug 2020 13:04:38
no I have not forgotten Minamino does not look like a wide player for the way we play more AM or false 9 back up for bobby but none of are players that come in for Salah or Mane seem to run in behind like they do they all seem to come to the ball more and not as direct what seems to take away are edge when one is missing. From what I have seen of Brewster he plays more like an out and out number 9 that likes to do most of his work down the middle inline on the 18 yard box we don't have a forward like him so i do think he would give us something different. Am not sure about Origi last season he got some very important goals but this season he has played 42 times and only scored 6 goals I know a lot of them are as a sub but in the league 28 games 7 starts 4 goals for a team the attack as much as us i don't think that's great.

{Ed001's Note - Brewster would also be running into the spaces that Mane and Salah like to run into, if he was played in place of Bobby.}


2.) 03 Aug 2020 13:54:52
Of those 28 sub appearances, many of them were less than 5 minutes. A fair few were bare seconds. If people counted minutes played to goals scored his record would look better. 4 in seven starts is decent.

So in previous seasons he's done better. So he's proved he can do better. There is every chance he will perform much better next season.


3.) 03 Aug 2020 14:46:47
Spot on, Robbie. Saying he played 42 games wothout the caveats, is a misnomer. Btw, I read that same report and it came from the S*n so I stopped reading after that.

In addition, Villa have serious issues scoring goals cos they cannot create enuff chances due mainly to the way they play and they already have Samatta, Wesley and another striker in the pecking order so not sure what Div would be doing there as he won't be the guaranteed starter.

Therefore IMO, why would Origi go there and toil at a relegation fodder team like he toiled at Wolfsburg whereas he could be here, not be first choice and still help out, something he is already happy with? Baffling, really.


4.) 03 Aug 2020 15:16:39
The problem with rating any of our backup attackers is that none of them get a run in the team. Our front three don't get injured and Klopp doesn't really rotate them in the Premier League or Champions League (Mane and Salah have both started more than 90 games in 2 seasons. The only player to have played more than them is van Dijk) . So it's hard to determine exactly how good Origi, Shaqiri etc. actually are since they only make a start here and there. Few players can give their best under those circumstances.

Origi had two runs of regular footie at Liverpool that I can think of and did well enough both times, but we're talking about 2016 and 2017. A long time ago. Likewise Shaqiri had a decent run in the team a couple of months after he joined and played well, we even changed the formation in some games to accommodate him along with Salah, Mane and Bobby. But it's over a year and a half ago. The only thing I would say is that I don't think Origi is suited to playing left wing, but maybe if he had to start 5 on the bounce there he'd figure it out.

Now maybe Klopp doesn't rotate the front 3 because he doesn't think the backups are good enough, but only Klopp knows whether that's the case or not.


5.) 03 Aug 2020 16:30:06
I remember Origi first coming in and me saying he had "Drogba"esque qualities (some of you laughed at that), back in 2016/ 17. He was fast, he got past defenders with his long powerful strides and he always had that good shot in him. Then the injuries and loans came, and he doesn't look like the same player at all. Some of it I think is that he's a player who needs space to run and beat people. With our high defensive line and the field of play being so squeezed up, he needs intricate footwork in close quarters (which he doesn't have but Mane and Salah have loads of) .

But I would still keep him. I would still want a player to come off the bench with enough self belief and confidence because he's been there before and scored enough goals in high pressure situations.


6.) 03 Aug 2020 21:37:29
Spot on, ArAy1969. Heaven knows what Origi would have been had the injuries not happened to Big Div cos before that, he was just toying with defenders and bullying them at will. I also remember people saying that he was a mixture of Thierry Henry in terms of pace (Origi the better dribbler, IMO) and Drogba in terms of sheer power and physicality.

Also, I learnt today that despite Origi's up's and down's, he has "still" managed to score 34 goals in 112 games for LFC in all comps. which is not bad for a guy who rarely plays, rarely starts and sometimes comes on for 90 seconds before the final whistle goes. Most importantly, Origi is a big game player.

Another great thing about Big Div is that No occasion is too big for him and has ice in his veins in high pressure moments when the chances arrive and takes them well. Big moments don't come any bigger than in a CL semi final and final and of course, Merseyside derbies, mate.


 

 

02 Aug 2020 09:56:00
ed002 is there any new news on Mo Salah is he still trying to get a move. If he is I can't see him getting one this summer with all that is going on around the world with C.V. but if fans do start getting into football grounds maybe next summer or has he priced himself out of a move. Psg might be an option if they sell Mbappe next summer.

grino75

{Ed002's Note - I answered this two days ago. Nothing has changed since then.}


1.) 02 Aug 2020 10:16:38
i did not see it ed and just searched salah and nothing come up.


2.) 02 Aug 2020 10:52:10
OP to summarize, Mo Salah and his agent tried to get a move to RM but demanded stupid wages in addition to other embarrassing demands that got his agent laughed out of the room. RM are not interested in Salah in spit of the media promotion he and his agent created to make him, look palatable to the RM brass. In other words, that ship has sailed and RM altho cash strapped like many other clubs across Europe, are focusing more on getting Mbappe than Salah. Just about covered it for the most part, Ed02?

{Ed002's Note - Yes. RM have moved their planned two big purchases to 2021.}


3.) 02 Aug 2020 11:10:30
I'm guessing Mbappe is one of them big purchases? but Ed2, I don't get it, everybody has told us he's coming to Liverpool, what happened? ;) . Lol I hope you are well Ed2, where in the world are you right now? wherever you may be, stay safe.

{Ed002's Note - I am stuck in England and Mbappe is indeed one.}


4.) 02 Aug 2020 16:41:31
Salah will regret leaving Liverpool.

He's never going to get the space that allowed him to score 40+ goals. And if he wants to move "up" then it won't be to a counter attacking team. The type we were when he scored the 40+ goals. He will be under massive pressure which I don't see him thriving under.

Careful what you wish for mo. Liverpool have won it all with mo and there are more trophies to grab. Stay.


 

 

29 Jul 2020 21:26:05
ed002 if Salah left this summer and we replaced him with Sancho is he homegrown.

grino75

{Ed002's Note - He will be.}


1.) 29 Jul 2020 21:31:05
thanks ed was not sure when he moved and his age.


 

 

22 Jul 2020 16:15:38
ed001 I see a all time Liverpool 11 thing on the bbc yesterday who would be in yours so hard to pick.
Alisson
Steve Nicol Alan Hansen VVD Andy Robertson
Steven Gerrard Grahame Souness
King Kenny
Sadio Mane Luis Suarez John Barnes
Phil Neal could have been my left back I was just a little to young left back don't think we have had to many great one over the last 30 years before then Steve Staunton and Alan Kennedy would be the ones. The striker role is very hard with Rush Fowler and Torres and with Suarez be such a rat it was a hard choice but he was outstanding when he played. am sure some of the older reds have a few more to choice from.

grino75

{Ed001's Note - I don't remember Neal playing left back to be honest. It is a tough one but I think I would go with:

Clem
Jones Hansen VVD Staunton (first time around)
Souness Alonso
Mane Dalglish Barnes
Rush

I feel bad leaving out so many though. Each time I pick one of these it is different as there are so many brilliant players in our history.}


1.) 22 Jul 2020 16:48:15
yeah Neal was right back Trent might get that spot in a few years time. I forgot about Rob Jones ed what a shame great player. Am not sure how old I was still remember Nicol's hattrick from right back against Newcastle.

{Ed001's Note - Nicol should be in there somewhere, he was magnificent.}


2.) 22 Jul 2020 16:43:22
For me The Great Dane instead of Alonso Ed001 otherwise perfect.


3.) 22 Jul 2020 17:16:30
Funnily enough I’ve just been re-reading Secret Diary of a Liverpool Scout and Phil Neal was signed as a utility player. He played for about the first 15 months of his Anfield career at LB. Great player, he made my XI as a RB though.
Stevie Nicol or Robertson at LB, keep changing my mind.
I’m very pleasantly struck by how many contemporary players now really come into the selection equation.


4.) 22 Jul 2020 17:17:54
Grino, you must have been very young because Nicol played left-back that day, Barry Venison was at right-back. Fantastic hat-trick and he had a fourth ruled out for offside against John Aldridge.


5.) 22 Jul 2020 17:38:13
Alonso though only featured little should be in everyone’s team. He was the best ever in the deeper role. What a player.


6.) 22 Jul 2020 17:49:22
What an honour, I'm on the same thread as Harry. I'v noticed that Alonso makes many people's teams, including ED001, but Gerrard hardly ever gets mentioned by anyone. Interesting!

{Ed001's Note - different types of players, Alonso is only really matching up against Fabinho in his role, whereas Gerrard is up against just about every old time central mid we have ever had. So, for me, it was a case of Souness is the best ever central mid we have had, so he gets the place. If Gerrard's attitude, in terms of playing where the manager wanted rather than he wanted, I think he would have had more chance of being in. On the right he was sensational and we have had no one able to deliver into the box of that quality until Trent emerged.}


7.) 22 Jul 2020 18:34:41
Just pop Nicol in wherever you fancy Ed. I’m pretty sure he’d be awesome.


8.) 22 Jul 2020 18:51:30
Surprised to see no mention of Torres on some of these best 11 lists. He was outstanding for us when we were generally quite a poor team.


9.) 22 Jul 2020 19:20:26
Torres was a great player but he was no Ian Rush.


10.) 22 Jul 2020 20:02:18
Clem
Neal Hughes Hansen Nicol
Gerrard Molby Souness
Dalglish Rush Barnes
Simple.


11.) 23 Jul 2020 08:24:30
Gerrard "has" to be there, especially for any born from 1980 onwards like me. people forget how absolutely shambolic we would have been at times only for Stevie. i think it's the cool thing on this site not to rate him. om from Dublin where basically half d fans are L'pool fans (other half utd), and this site is the ONLY place in my entire life where Gerrard isn't classed in the top 2 r 3 ever to play for the club.

Every ex player, or players that that played with him put him up there with the best the Premier Leagues ever seen but on this site he seems to be looked at like an average mid table player! Crazy.


 

 

 

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09 Aug 2020 08:30:51
Ed0666 maybe he thinks he has enough money and just wants to go home to be near his family. Am sure after this contract if he never played again he would have enough money to last him. He might just want him play for his boyhood club in his peak as kids that’s all ways the dream not how much money you can earn.

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{Ed0666's Note - yeh I get what you’re saying but I’m not sure that’s the case. Footballers are on the whole mercenaries due to the short career spans. I’m not expecting him to sign this contract on the table, I hope I’m wrong but in this current broken economic climate we have to sell if he’s dragging his heels. We can’t afford to lose him on a Bosman I don’t care how much of a soldier he’s been for us. He a 30 million pound player at least and we can’t just give him away.


 

 

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09 Aug 2020 15:50:29
ed002 if he does sign where does that put us with HG quota.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are going to have to sell Grujic and one or two others - but it depends who they wish to add. Bayern Munich re-terated that Liverpool has not spoken to them about Thiago yet, the club are supposedly trying to add non HG CBs ...}


 

 

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08 Aug 2020 13:04:22
cheers ed002.

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07 Aug 2020 13:38:46
Ed002 I seen more reports that we are going to go back with a second bid and Norwich would accept £15m if that's true ed am sure a deal can be sorted out. Am sure there is going to be a lot of this this summer ed with CV. The transfer fees are going to to take longer to negotiate selling clubs don't won't to lower there price from what the values was only 8 month ago but as we have seen with Utd trying to sign sancho and chelsea's pursuit of Kai Havertz the selling club will have to lower what they would have got before CV. The only 3 big transfers so far this season in the premier league have been Werner Ake and Torres and am sure they all had contract clauses with both Torres and Werner being worth more than what both clubs had to pay for them.

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07 Aug 2020 12:51:59
was that the palace offer ed if so that was january and they was still in the premier league then before CV and it was only £2m lower so with CV I don't think that's to bad. And i would not expect them to accept the first offer even if we went in with £20m they would think they could get a bit more out of us its just a starting point and like you said ed we have no money till we sell and we have only sold Lovren and that's nearly all that money so with agent fees that is probable all of it.

grino75

{Ed002's Note - The Crystal Palace offer still stands and they have spoken with Norwich as they are concerned they will lose Patrick van Aanholt. They had someone else lined up but he has already moved elsewhere - so they are interested in Lewis again.}


 

 

 

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09 Aug 2020 14:15:09
ed001 with the England full back talk what do you think of Ben Chilwell I think he is a good left back but very overrated because his English. I do like the look of Bukayo Saka and think he could turn into a world class talent there if he stays there.

grino75

{Ed001's Note - Chilwell is ok but no more than that and has his head up his backside thinking he is world class already. Massively overrated. Shame as he had the potential to be fantastic.

Saka is a winger and needs to play there.}


 

 

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09 Aug 2020 11:40:47
ed001 I think Trent's defending has come on leaps and bounds and he gets made out to be a worse defender than he is. I don't think AWB will ever be great going forward but is great at one on ones but he does seem to get court of of position a lot. I think Reece James looks a better all round player than AWB and AWB is the oldest out of three.

grino75

{Ed001's Note - Wan-Bissaka was a winger, so it is odd that he is so poor in attacking areas! It must be remembered that he is also only a very recent convert to playing full-back, so he is still learning the position. He may be older in years, but he is younger in terms of time playing the role.}


 

 

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08 Aug 2020 13:08:14
ed002 does he play for Serbia more now since we signed him if so would that help his WP or does it not matter. Am not sure how it works now since we have left the EU and have the new WP rules come in yet. Thanks again ed.

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{Ed002's Note - That is not the issue.}


 

 

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03 Aug 2020 20:50:10
free transfer next summer then ed. I hope he still gives 100% next season if he is still here. when a player is running his contract down they all ways have injuring them self's on there mind a bad injury and they have nowhere to go.

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03 Aug 2020 13:04:38
no I have not forgotten Minamino does not look like a wide player for the way we play more AM or false 9 back up for bobby but none of are players that come in for Salah or Mane seem to run in behind like they do they all seem to come to the ball more and not as direct what seems to take away are edge when one is missing. From what I have seen of Brewster he plays more like an out and out number 9 that likes to do most of his work down the middle inline on the 18 yard box we don't have a forward like him so i do think he would give us something different. Am not sure about Origi last season he got some very important goals but this season he has played 42 times and only scored 6 goals I know a lot of them are as a sub but in the league 28 games 7 starts 4 goals for a team the attack as much as us i don't think that's great.

grino75

{Ed001's Note - Brewster would also be running into the spaces that Mane and Salah like to run into, if he was played in place of Bobby.}