Liverpool Banter Archive September 16 2017

16 Sep 2017 23:47:15
Fabianski has been great for Swansea ghe last two years, I think he would be great for us. Has he ever played for a big club? I'm thinking arsenal? I think he's earned a shot at ucl again.

17 Sep 2017 00:48:37
Great shot stopper in a team where he gets constantly bombarded, but lacks the concentration levels needed to play for a top team where you may have to wait until the 80th minute to make your first save or just be alert 2 or 3 times a game.

He was also so dodgy on crosses that the Arsenal fans rather unlovingly nicknamed him Flappyhandski 🙄

Having said all that though, with our defence so inconsistent, our goal at times can be peppered by shots so maybe he'd be a good fit with his great shot stopping 😂

In all seriousness though, it is the Mignolet effect. Keepers always look good at lesser clubs because they have to make more saves. Mignolet looked great on the highlight reels for Sunderland for that exact reason, but look how that turned out!

If we are going to sign a keeper from another Premier League Club, realistically I'd have to pick either Butland or Begovic. They have the aptitude to be top team goal keepers. I like De Gea, Lloris, Courtois and Pickford but with who they play for they are impossibilities. Personally i don't know why Ward and Karius aren't getting more chances. Mignolet has proven he isn't good enough so it makes no sense to keep giving him chance after chance.

17 Sep 2017 01:26:06
He was at Arsenal and made mistakes. Sometimes it's easier to stay error free and look good as a goalie if you're in a 'weaker' team that's under pressure and are consequently involved in the game more, instead of not having any saves to make for 20 minutes at a time and have to be sharp all of a sudden when a shot comes in.

Dunno if it's that's the case for Fabianski or if he's genuinely improved.

17 Sep 2017 03:02:06
He is a good shot stopper, that's it. So is Migs. Swansea is the perfect fit for Fabianski while Migs should be at West Brom or Stoke. LFC should either be grooming Karius and Ward for the long term future or looking at the likes of Oblak if Klopp does not have patience to wait for Karius/ Ward to come good.

17 Sep 2017 07:17:54
Fraser Forster?

{Ed001's Note - god no, even the Saints fans do not rate him. He is a terrible keeper.}

17 Sep 2017 07:32:01
What would I take on a good Sunday morning? A coffee or MK's post? Obviously the later one! Flappianski lol! ROFL MK 😂😂😂.

17 Sep 2017 08:15:25
Pickford looked good at Sunderland too as he was always bombarded and making saves for fun. He's already had 3 goals conceded against him due to his own errors. Like MK said, it's the Migs effect. Fabianski has made mistakes as well at Swansea BUT he keeps playing cos well, they think he's the best they have got. Migs is NOT the best we have as we have two other goalies who are more talented than he is in the areas where Klopp wants his GK's to excel so why we keep playing him when he is crap overall, only Klopp can tell you that as he has messed up this GK thing completely.

17 Sep 2017 09:01:40
Fraser Forster? Dude we may as well bring Dudek and David James out of retirement!

16 Sep 2017 23:21:31
Apart from our widely publicised defensive frailties we also don't present much of a threat from corner kicks.
Against Burnley we had 12 corners and couldn't muster one header on target.
They had 2 corners and as usual we looked particularly vulnerable. Mee almost scored from both.
Ed do u think that our poor offensive record from corners stems from the training ground or just poor execution during matches.

17 Sep 2017 00:01:21
We never score from corners. I don't know why we keep chipping balls into the area when we could play it short and work something that way. I think our cbs must be soft. Big enough lads but none of em look the hard man.

17 Sep 2017 00:12:26
Ed
It was a question requesting your informed response please.

{Ed001's Note - both.}

17 Sep 2017 00:27:25
Our former kicks have been awful for years mate.

17 Sep 2017 04:17:16
I think they are linked but for a reason you've not touched on. We don't really have a good corner taker. The best is an 18 year old right back!

Due to that lack of dangerous set piece specialist, i think our defenders probably look great at defending them in training. Klopp probably thinks he has it nailed whilst they are heading away Milner and Henderson deliveries for fun!

Then they get into a game and face a corner with a bit of quality and the defenders are all looking around at each other like "what is going on, in training it never beats the first man! "

It's just my theory, but i don't see how you can train to defend decent corners if nobody in your own team can put a good corner in consistently.

Maybe we need to get Gerrard up to the first team once a week just to swing a few corners in for Matip and Mignolet to panic at 😂.

17 Sep 2017 04:48:22
it’s because our players, cbs especially, are major softarses who don’t like any physical contact and can’t handle it.

17 Sep 2017 06:22:50
Good point MK. Just gave me a different perspective on this. You are right, really!, how do they prepare if there is no one to present these situations in training.

17 Sep 2017 07:33:10
According to elite posters, it could be coached, but how many years would it take? No idea Boss!

17 Sep 2017 08:18:11
MK, very interesting post you put out there. Very interesting, indeed. Bravo, sir.

16 Sep 2017 22:03:54
Interesting few weeks for our club. This time it's all to do with us. FSG have been known to take on board what the fans demand. Obviously they can't and won't listen to everything. Bear that in mind.

Over the next few days and next few weeks if results don't go particularly well, there will be huge news stories, ex players commenting (some have already been asked for comments) and a bit of a media frenzy around Klopp's future.

We can shape that. If we want him to stay, get the time, get through the sticky patch and then move forward, we can. We can be vocal in the right way. If we moan and moan and knee jerk and be juvenile, we may force him out.

I for one think that we need to support him. He needs some time to fix a few things. A lot is good. Midfield and defence need work.

Ed1 or 2 may know of this too, but yes, there has been talk of defensive coaching. May not be a full on defensive coach, but just some one who works on drilling the team on concentration without the ball and defensive shape.

Great things can come with a bit of patience. Or we can regress.

Strangely, could be up to us, this time.

Peace.

16 Sep 2017 22:57:30
The defence has been an issue since carra hung up his boots, if carra would have been playing the season gerrard 'slipped' we would have won the league I'm telling you. If Klopp stays the defence will b poor but the attack didn't perform today, I like it when we score more than the opposition but we're not doing that so it's not working.

16 Sep 2017 23:39:09
To be fair we were robbed of a penalty. If we were shooting toward the kop that would've been given. It was a penalty.

16 Sep 2017 23:42:11
If there is a knee jerk reaction to replace Klopp already, who in their right mind would want the job? Look at the turnover of the managers since FSG took over. I don't believe they would force Klopp out. I do believe that if Bayern Munich came calling after this season he would listen.

16 Sep 2017 23:42:14
It's total nonsense, there will be no questions about klopps future over the next few weeks.

17 Sep 2017 00:10:33
Of course not Ron. The British press can be horrible though. I don't see z crisis. I see a team whose defence are lacking confidence but are good enough to challenge (yes I did just say that) and I see a team that has been very unlucky in their last two games. Two wins instead of two draws and I think we would all be very happy. Klavan just panicked today, acted like a bezerker, knocking anyone in his way over, including team mates. Going for balls that others had covered. He probably thinks he can stake a regular first text place with lovren's form. He should have stuck to the game plan and stay in position and Burnley don't score. If you wanna point fingers then point to the ref for not giving an obvious penalty and point to klavan for playing with his heart znd not his head. Sorry ragnar. Klavan made the wrong choice a few times. No confidence.

17 Sep 2017 00:38:39
Ron, are you suggesting that your believe the media will not be questioning Klopp's future? No-one in the club is at this stage. Read the post again.
Media has already started. Sky did an article or two on how some pundits think we should stick with him. This is the usual ploy to fire up a topic. Some of the broadsheets are also jumping on. I happen to know that it has been spoken about, you just need to know what happens in the press offices. Not sure if you have experience of the Fleet Street crew, but on slow sport news days it has been known for years that you can rile the Liverpool fans into an international strength story. Anyway, its a matter of opinion. I respect yours. As fans, we need to look at the big picture. Not always the current one.

Peace.

17 Sep 2017 07:40:44
Rob,
Klopp promised the fans that if he fail to win the league in 4 years he would quit himself and move to Swiss league.

17 Sep 2017 08:33:31
The media has been against Klopp since he started his full season last year. They were the ones who keep putting fake news in the media whenever he is under pressure. Each time we have a bad result, the pathetic Sky pundits would start with their pathetic nit-picking and talking points, comparing his record to BR (as if anyone with a functioning brain, care about that), they fed the BS that led to Karius being dropped that the manc troll Neville and sell out Carra helped whip up. For months they said we would not make top 4 cos Utd and Arsenal was better. In the end, we made top 4 and they all kept quiet. Now, they are back again and will be back each time we lose or draw cos they can't stand the fact that Klopp has taken LFC forward from the dross their darling BR left us.

Poch is struggling more than Klopp is at Spurs (can't buy a win at home) YET is he facing any pressure or should Spurs "stick" with him? Of course not cos he's their media darling where as the guy has not won a sausage in his WHOLE career YET they and some on here think he's better than Klopp who actually has trophies in his trophy case. See the propaganda there?

I propose people ignore the lame stream media and not fall for their propaganda. They have already promised the title to City and Utd like last season. Can anyone remind me what happened at the end there? They were wrong, AGAIN. The media will bring down who they want and will not bring down who they don't want to bring down.

17 Sep 2017 10:19:39
Are you talking to me Harry?

If you are, you are not accurate with your quote and secondly, what relevance does that have to the next few weeks? 🤔.

16 Sep 2017 21:11:21
So we could have won all 5 games? The main reason why we haven't is the defence.
How can they have looked at all these players and not seen a single better defender out there?
I know he can't publicly attack the team/ squad, but he either actually believes it or the club did not work hard enough to solve the problem.
We supposedly need defenders comfortable playing a high line, have pace and are comfortable on the ball.
I don't think Lovren, Klavan or Matip have all the qualities we supposedly need and on top of that there are positional and concentration issues?
Forget trying to find the supposed ultimate defender and actually just upgrade what we have.
The only issue will be offering enough money to get the deal done and/ or keeping quiet about it until it is done.
How many of our defenders would get into any of the top 6? Top 10? Any other Premier League team?
Come on now, that's 4-5 transfer windows and we have spent relative peanuts on the defence and you can't really argue that it has improved.
Personnel wise, the RB slot is better as Johnson has been upgraded.
You could argue that the CB slots are weaker, especially with letting Sakho go.
I understand there were issues, but what did he do that was so bad?
Was it any worse than saying he would never play for the club again? That his relationship with the manager had deteriorated? That he handed in a transfer request?
I really hope it's not a case of cutting the nose off to spite the face.

I don't want Klopp to go, I just wish the defence was such a talking point after every damn point dropped :- (.

16 Sep 2017 22:53:53
Rubbish. If conceding goals is the fault of the defence then not scoring is the fault of the attackers. We didon't score vs City so we couldn't av won that game even if they had kept clean sheet. We had 35 shots against Burnley and scored 1 goal, is that also the defences fault?
Give criticism when it's due, but make it constructive and based sound rationale.

16 Sep 2017 23:15:15
It's the defences fault that we conceded early to a soft goal. That put us on the back foot. 35 shots doesn't tell the full story, the vast majority of them were speculative shots not clear cut opportunities. We certainly didn't over work their keeper. Because all they had to do was sit back and soak up the pressure.

16 Sep 2017 23:20:33
I was talking about the defence in general, but if you want to discuss the number of attempts we had, to the number of goals we scored today, that is fine.
How about the fact that they actually defended like a defence should do. No brain farts, lapses in concentration, schoolboy error, bad positioning.
We are conceding on a very high ratio of opposition attacks, so that points to exactly how bad our defence is.
I would love the attack to outscore the number of goals we concede, but would rather they didn't have to nearly every damn game, as there are games where they will struggle to score 1, let alone the 3 we seem to need at the moment.
We concede sloppy chances when the opposition haven't had to work that hard to get the opening and then concede off of nearly all of these sloppy chances.

As for the bit about could have won these 5 games, this was what was quoted in the press after the game today.
My response was that it was not the case, especially when we have these defensive deficiencies at the moment.

16 Sep 2017 23:44:50
I'd be happy if our side when we don't have the ball didn't look like a group of headless chickens. We're just so disorganized it's ridiculous. I realize this is at least somewhat by design, but it just seems like a terrible way to do things to me.

17 Sep 2017 00:17:29
Well we could set up like Burnley. . I'm sure our goal to chance ratio conceding would improve. You will quite happily absolve the attack for a poor goal to chance ratio whilst criticise the defence for a poor goal to chance ratio. It is inconsistent at best and floored at worst. Notwithstanding the fact that teams that park the bus can sometimes have this skewed statistic. That's the whole point of parking the bus! If it wasn't successful then teams wouldn't do it. I just think it's a poor example of trying to make your point.

17 Sep 2017 01:40:40
If Lovren or Klven had been playing for Burnley today, they'd have looked world beaters,

Because of the protection the back four were given by 4-5 players infront of them.

Of course our conceded goal was down to individual errors but sometimes you have to question the system of play.

17 Sep 2017 07:27:03
Of course it isn't.
Stop trying to defend a defence that is so crap and should have been sorted out a long time ago.
The attack will have off-days.
They will also come up against good defences (even ones that don't park the bus) .
Yet every defence the attack plays against is better than ours - there can't be any denying this.
The problem with the game yesterday is that once the defence gave up it's customary goal, the attack then has to score at least twice, when under normal circumstances, only one would have done.
This creates that little bit more anxiety, urgency and maybe panic.
Shots are affected, through-balls and passed are affected.
Yes, on another day we still could have won the game had the attack taken just one more of those opportunities, but the actual situation is that they only needed to because of our own defence!
Also, we were actually lucky to not have lost with those other sloppy chances given the opposition in the closing minutes.

18 Sep 2017 01:06:28
True, but Burnley protected their back 4, that's why we found it hard to break them down,

If we score first it makes it easier for us as the other team has to push up looking for an equaliser, leaving space behind.

Its why Utd are ages getting the first but then bang in late goals as the other team must go for it.

16 Sep 2017 20:45:31
You don't throw the " towel in " after 5 Games, 5 points of the top and as a certain Bill Shankly famously said " its a Marathon not a Sprint ".

The Scouting network has let us down over the years, every poster on here knew that Butland was a future England number one, he left Birmingham for 9 Million, VVD was pulling trees up at Celtic again everyone on here knew he could comfortably play in the Premier he left Celtic for 7 Million and the biggest clanger was down to Buck Rodgers, Karl Robinson Wimbledons former Manager is a MASSIVE Liverpool Fan, he was phoning Buck 24 hours a Day for three months saying he had a player who is a Big LFC fan who wanted to desperately for us and his Board of Directors only wanted 5 Million, he even brought him up to Melwood to force Buck to sign him, he quoted we had no money, he eventually went to Spurs for 5 Million his name is of Course Delle Alli.

Thats 3 TOP, TOP Players which are Scouts missed all under Buck Rodgers Tenure and every poster on here knew the potential they had. that's nearly a Complete Spine of the team for 21 Million all down to our then Scouts being Incompetent, for which we are Paying the price for now.

16 Sep 2017 21:51:49
So all blame on Rodgers! Lol! How about missing David Silva, Villa and Ronaldo under various manager.

16 Sep 2017 21:57:34
Can I ask 007 if these were such obvious top top players then why is VVD at Southampton and Butland at Stoke? Surely if it was that obvious another big club would've stepped in? Rodgers thought Alli was done but it was the owners who pulled the plug as I understand. That kind of shoots down your whole post really. Fact is all 3 players were a risk and for every Alli there's a thousand Shelveys. It's not an exact science. If we had signed Alli his career would be completely different and he might not be the player he is today. Same with the others you've mentioned. Remember Kirkland? Carson? James? All touted as the next biggest thing but all failed at LFC. Likewise Walcott at Arsenal. England squad at the World Cup at 16. Went to Arsenal and his career has stagnated since. Remember Coates? Voted best young player at the Copa America came to us and failed. The list is endless. You just happen to have mentioned three that have 'made it' and used it as a stick to beat Liverpool with.

17 Sep 2017 00:40:34
Because Rutland is an experienced England gk and pickford went for 3o so everyone would be expected to pay probably 70 mil.

Vvd was nearly a Liverpool player

So there are reasins.

17 Sep 2017 01:50:53
That keeper Timo Horn that played for Koln, v Arsenal looks a good prospect.

17 Sep 2017 04:52:07
Hmmmm. Who was it who signed our lil magician Coutinho?
Who had even heard of him? Only reason I heard of him when we signed was because of FIFA and him having hair like me when I woke up so my dad always said he was me. Shame the comparison stopped there 😂😂.

16 Sep 2017 19:58:13
I can't believe people are calling for Klopp's head. it's time we focus on our team and support them.

16 Sep 2017 20:06:44
Mo, I would stop paying attention to such tripe if I were you. It is just a waste of time and energy.

16 Sep 2017 19:46:17
If you think its bad for us at the moment, Crystal Palaces next game is Man City away.

Spurs not won at Wembley yet!, we play them soon that will break the Hoodoo.

P. S. we had 35 shots today seven more than Man City they get six we get one, problems in attack also. On a positive note every side goes through a " bad spell " during a season perhaps we are having ours now. Keep The Faith.

16 Sep 2017 20:54:55
Sours beat Dortmund at wembley!

16 Sep 2017 21:12:36
I think you're right 007, this is just a bad spell imo and it could be a lot lot worse.

35 shots for us and what 3/ 4 for them. That tells all you need to know about the managers tactics. They were fine. On another day this result is 5 1. Sadly the players are to blame and not klopp. That said we played some really nice football today.

16 Sep 2017 21:42:31
are we comparing ourself to Palace now? i assure u if palace did not score any goals from today till we meet them they will score against us.

16 Sep 2017 21:54:13
Superred

Unfortunately players don't get the sack but managers do!

16 Sep 2017 23:03:51
The 35 shots is a nice statistic and all, but keep in mind that a lot of those were from out of range positions - kudos to Burnley for soaking up the pressure we put on. A real shame chances don't count for goals. New rule in the making perhaps? We'd definitely be top of the world then.

17 Sep 2017 03:40:32
35 shots and 1 point is the same as 200 hundred shots and 1 point. When are people going to realise it's the result that is important not the performance.

16 Sep 2017 19:34:30
It goes from bad to worse, Naby KEITA just been " SENT OFF " for Leipzig for exactly the same thing MANE done last week.

It seems that referees decide these MANE incidents if there is any Blood on the opponent and he plays dead of course.

He provided the pass for the first goal split the two lines, watched the game and he is going to be " WORLD CLASS ".

16 Sep 2017 19:45:57
You know Keita getting a red card makes zero difference to Liverpools season don't you?

16 Sep 2017 19:56:40
That's CRAZY I hope THE other PLAYER is OK. Yes CLEARLY the REF makes HIS decision BASED on THE amount OF blood, that's how ITS always BEEN.

16 Sep 2017 20:11:42
And this impacts us in what way?

16 Sep 2017 21:00:58
mikey1985, back, Tombola, don't you want to know how a FUTURE liverpool player is Progressing, you are making Keita " feel VERY WELCOME aren't you " when you don't care A JOT about his progress.

Do you have the same NEGATIVE tone when Carra who is a poster on here gives an update on all our Loaned out players what's the difference HYPOCRITES.

16 Sep 2017 22:06:01
What's with all the CAPITALS.

16 Sep 2017 23:35:28
Did you not do English Grammar at School, putting in Capital Letters highlights your MAIN point of view!

16 Sep 2017 19:29:13
Chaps, that managed to watch the match, how was Robertson?

16 Sep 2017 19:51:23
He was good mate. He put in some tempting crosses but we don't have a predator in the box to take full advantage of them.

16 Sep 2017 20:13:15
You mean a predator like Harry Kane who couldn't score a goal today? Yeah, no thanks. I like my Firmino just the way he is.

As for Robbo, he did his job well, nothing more, nothing less.

16 Sep 2017 20:27:00
I was at the game mate and in the first half Robertson found himself on acres of space at times, no one would pass to him! We continued to play though the middle.

Big cheer went up when he wa given the ball esrky in the second half.

He a had a decent game.

16 Sep 2017 21:02:21
robbo was good, could have got a bit tighter to Arfield for thier goal but i thing it was a combination of Matic and Klavan ( usuall suspects) and then Can for not tracking opposition midfielders. other than that had couple of good runs one very similar to Risse.

17 Sep 2017 00:17:10
He was good. Looks much more than an 8 mil player. Some have pointed to him for their goal but similar to moreno against seville. Yes he should have got back but looking at the cbs and flight of the ball any one would've thought the big lads would clear it. Matip was quite good though, klavan was poor at times. If he was in position they would not have scored.

16 Sep 2017 19:22:06
Ed is the e a match report or is it too early mate?

{Ed001's Note - I have taken to leaving it until the day after to give me time to reflect and watch the game again with a calm(er) head.}

16 Sep 2017 19:41:00
Ed001, how did we not win that match? Cannot understand it but Klopp's continuous chopping and changing clearly has something to do with it.

We are going to go absolutely nowhere with GK's changing just about game in and out.

Very miffed with today's result. Fair to say the winning the League is far out of reach this season with the way things are going at this point.

{Ed001's Note - just one of those days. We have moved forward because last season we were losing games like that.}

16 Sep 2017 19:58:20
So next season we might win this match!

16 Sep 2017 20:01:10
Exactly Ed, we would have lost that match last year and Klopp all but admitted that in his press conference.

16 Sep 2017 20:29:41
We won this game 2-1 last season, make of that what you Will.

16 Sep 2017 21:05:06
is this not mediocrity if we are happy with a home draw against Burnley. Ed002 is so right.

16 Sep 2017 20:19:25
Ed, we could have lost that match THIS SEASON had Matip not cleared Mee's header off the line off the line (the save by Migs was a normal one you'd expect him to make) sometimes, you have to take a point. If you can't win the game, DON'T lose the game.

16 Sep 2017 19:07:24
I've not watched the game so can't wait to read eds review.

16 Sep 2017 18:40:32
Klopp does seem addicted to buying attacking wide players. Next summer the back 'six' needs a complete revamp, be interesting to see if he spends the budget on that or he again looks to more attackers and the back is once again neglected. You could argue no one in the defence is good enough for a top four side. Need a defensive midfielder and certainly a top class keeper.

16 Sep 2017 19:14:59
Sydney, we all complained that there was no cover for Mane when he was injured or away at the AFCON. He wanted a winger and he got Salah who has already come good after 8 games in all comps. YET you say he is addicted to signing wide players. He did not neglect the back as he tried to get VVD and Koulibaly along with a LB. He got the LB he wanted so in what way did he neglect the back again? Also, NO top class GK will come as they are all taken so again, who would that be and don't mention Joe Hart, Butland or whoever as they are NOT world class? I could keep poking holes in your post but I'll stop now.

16 Sep 2017 19:34:20
I think you mean NO cover for mane there bingo. You forgot to smash caps.

16 Sep 2017 19:40:52
It was a disappointing result with the obligatory defensive error leading to a goal but we are the same squad that trounced Arsenal 4-0 and spanked Hoffenheim in 20 minutes! I think the City result is still in our system especially at the back. We'll come good no need to panic.

16 Sep 2017 19:50:41
There are several defenders, defensive midfielders and keepers out there Bingo. You need six new players for six positions. With Can likely going you'll need another squad midfielder too. Then replace Coutinho. Starring too is sold. Still need some major surgery in my opinion. Maybe spending £70m on VVD would be silly when there's still so much left to do. I mean there's enough there to survive, but I mean in the sense of pushing on and cementing top four for the future.

16 Sep 2017 19:59:30
'Sturridge too if sold'

16 Sep 2017 20:01:25
I could be wrong but I expect to see Klopp looking to get a few bargains in over the course of the season. Some 'agreed in principle' deals.

16 Sep 2017 20:27:13
Sydney, there may be BUT Klopp clearly does not operate that way, good or bad. He just does not sign players for the sake of it and if he thinks they are NOT going to upgrade us, why buy? That may not be what you nor I want BUT it is the way it is and in some way, I find nothing wrong with that approach. As for those leaving, the summer is too far off so let's not start projecting. Our immediate future is LC on Tuesday.

16 Sep 2017 20:31:02
BINGO RED,
If LFC are serious about winning the league and champions league then they should go out and get a top class keeper, every top team has one.
JAN OBLAK of ATHLETICO MADRDID has already said he will not be renewing his contract, we should be at the front of the queue to sign him, he is head and shoulders above the other 2.

16 Sep 2017 21:22:54
I assume this any CB on planet earth would be an upgrade so he should have signed 10 during the summer stuff will continue for the rest of the season 😵 There simply weren't these bucket loads of CBs with proven ability floating around for sale. There was 1 that seems to have been not pursued and 1 that was screwed up and may not be the answer everyone thinks he is. End of. Hence City looking at Evans, who also wasnt for sale.

16 Sep 2017 23:30:50
So Bingo, Klopp doesn't just sign players for the sake of it if they're not going to improve you. What was Klavan then?

16 Sep 2017 18:23:06
Enjoyable to read that city will runaway with the title after 5 games, nobody remember the start pep had to his first season? Part of a successful title challenge is hitting form at the right time, which generally isn't the first 5 games.

16 Sep 2017 19:30:50
Spot on, Back BUT the usual suspects are here spouting doom and gloom cos City beat a hapless Watford team 6-0 and we should all pack up and go home and not bother showing up for the season.

Even we put 3 past that lot while being in second gear. And don't forget, City won the first 5 of their games last season and people saod everyone should move over and make way. What happened? They barely scraped 3rd, 3 points ahead of who? LFC. Go figure.

16 Sep 2017 21:13:56
To be fair to Watford they've put in some decent performance s, I haven't seen today's game yet but maybe city were that good.

16 Sep 2017 17:58:53
Hi Eds,
haven't seen the game today but I feel we need to sign a goalie and at least one CB. Pity we didn't get VVD this summer. Might have made a big difference. cheers Eds. Hope to start a long winning streak srarting next game.

16 Sep 2017 18:08:19
I have been saying this for months.
Nobody seemed to agree.

16 Sep 2017 18:40:37
I think every one acknowledges we have cb issues. I also think karius needs to be given the shirt permanently and by next summer we'll know if we need a new keeper or not.

16 Sep 2017 18:52:36
How I see it is we only play one way, teams like Burnley we struggle against because our system finds it hard to beat but we don't change anything.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

16 Sep 2017 18:53:57
Who from liverpools back 4 would get into the top 6 teams. klopp knew this his knowledge of buying defenders has goto be questioned. klavan a crap team international. it makes me sick to see klopp ignoreing centrebacks.

16 Sep 2017 19:10:27
For me the issue isn't that a near 32 year old Estonian CB bought as cover isn't good enough, it's that the first two choices are Matip and Lovren. Lovren is prone to completely forgetting how to play football and Matip is absolutely useless at the physical side of being a CB in the Premiere League (as well as being a bit lazy) .

16 Sep 2017 19:33:49
Deano, clearly you want to moan so go ahead. I would caution that saying Klopp ignored the CB position is patently false.

16 Sep 2017 19:39:58
Centre backs and especially a top class goalkeeper were desperately needed.

Most of the effort went into looking at forwards/ midfielders.

16 Sep 2017 20:31:20
Yuri, and who would we have signed at top CB esp. if Pep with all his money could not sign the one he wanted? Also, what top class GK would we have signed keeping in mind that Courtois, DDG, Lloris, Oblak, Navas, Leno, Neuer etc. are all taken? I'll wait.

16 Sep 2017 17:53:16
Everyone is trying too hard.
Time to give atleast one chance for gruijic
Good in air and deadly right foot. otherwise he will end up as markovic

#chance4gruijic.

16 Sep 2017 19:39:47
He will play in the EFL Cup, I hope.

16 Sep 2017 17:32:46
Disappointing yet again. Nothing seems to change with us. Season after season. Now we have 6 away games in the next 7 with 4 on the trot.

City are already 5 points in front with a huge goal difference.

Is it too early to write off any PL challenge now.

16 Sep 2017 17:40:06
Burnley came with a plan credit to them! We wer flat without mane! Can was dirt! Milner slowed things! We needed ox's nrg there not Milners! Wood might of as well got matip and klavan in a headlock the way he dealt with them for they're goal it was shocking how he bullied them! On a plus was very good but usual we are dirt at the back!

16 Sep 2017 17:40:14
League was written of the second the transfer window closed without strengthening the defense. We're fighting for fourth at best. Honestly, the result today is the best we can hope for with the current manager and defense. Sad when our attack us world class.

16 Sep 2017 17:46:24
5 pts in this competitive league is as gd as being out of sight. Title is already lost in 1st 5 games. Just aim for top 4 and good cup run.

16 Sep 2017 17:48:42
burnley came with a plan and did we go without a plan or do you think our manager can't make a plan. its the same thing for us we can't defend long ball and our midfield give absolute zero protection to our back 4.

16 Sep 2017 17:59:25
UTD and CITY sits with a +15 GD while we are +0 and with our defense I can't see us catching either of them!

16 Sep 2017 18:00:58
I suggest that people focus on us trying to get our confidence back and convert the chances we create and make better decisions in the final third as that killed us today instead of focusing on winning the PL, which will always be difficult. One thing at a time cos you can't win the PL if you don't convert your chances and score in the games where you are on top.

16 Sep 2017 18:32:52
Thing is, when all your central defenders are members of the Chuckle brothers you can't expect to win.

16 Sep 2017 18:57:50
Yeah guys coz chelsea started really strong last season and it was obvious they would win the league in early September eh!

It's not over yet, it's barely started. We'll come good I'm sure.

16 Sep 2017 19:17:04
Am I remembering rightly? Did Man City not steam roll their first ten games last season playing everyone off the park?

Pretty sure they did then fell away. Very early yet!

Ed01 if your about. one thing I do not get is that we play great attacking football just like City yet they seem to be able to brush.

16 Sep 2017 19:18:38
Sorry ed01 to add to my previous sent before finishing. Why is it City can break down difficult teams who sit back yet we struggle?

Is it tacticle or just the quality of the players

Thanks in advance

Jon.

{Ed001's Note - quality of players mate. The better players have better decision making and don't just hit and hope over and over again.}

16 Sep 2017 19:42:10
Suppered, the sane and the measured, agree with you. The doom and gloom brigade can't think that far and that deep.

16 Sep 2017 19:48:48
A lot of hitting and hoping there, Ed and Jonpow. Cou had 7 shots by himself and they were all off target. There is all you need to know. Our strenghh is our ability to play and work for each other as well as being unselfish which is why we are almost invincible vs the top teams and why we made top 4 and the CL group this season. If we lose that and players start trying to be the hero then we are well and truly screwed.

16 Sep 2017 20:07:54
Thanks Ed01! And Bingored missed tge game as I was out but caught most of the second half on the Radio.

16 Sep 2017 17:17:19
We played excellent today, just one of those days, play like we are and we will be fine.

16 Sep 2017 17:20:42
It's "one of those days" for most teams. It's every other day for us.

16 Sep 2017 17:21:10
Too many one of those days! 2 points dropped imo.

16 Sep 2017 17:21:12
Really?

16 Sep 2017 17:22:04
We seem to have 'just one of those days' a lot in recent years mate its becoming common within each season lol.

16 Sep 2017 17:22:32
Which game were you watching? We were not at it at all and gave them a soft goal through our comedy centre halves.

16 Sep 2017 17:23:45
you mean score one out of 35 shots on goal and we'll be fine?

16 Sep 2017 17:29:25
Where's the leaders and the passion? Communication? These are all critical factors that's bringing this team down.

16 Sep 2017 17:36:57
oh wait a minute, I understand now, score one out of 35 shots on goal, give up silly soft goals and we'll be fine. I understand now. with that formula we should win the league and champions league easily. great post.

16 Sep 2017 17:44:32
That defense wouldn't change until January!

16 Sep 2017 17:53:17
Too many of those days, Unfortunately.

16 Sep 2017 18:15:25
The team is low on confidence right now as the decision-making up top in the final third was poor. Cou held on to the ball too long at times, Firmino seemed incapable of passing to anyone else other than Cou, Cou's shooting and passing was wayward and the set piece delivery was off. We had 35 shots on goal. That tells me that the attack was disjointed and acted mostly based on sheer will and desperationeven tho, we still could have scored at least 3 goals. Defensively, we weren't tested BUT the goal was littered with at least 3 individual errors and 2 by the usual suspects in Matip and Migs. Must do better.

16 Sep 2017 18:35:41
Bingo, you can add Klavan to that, he had no need to go for a ball that he had absolutely no chance of getting and should have been dealing with the second ball instead.

16 Sep 2017 19:52:24
Mr Dennis, I think the first header was won by Brady going against TAA, not Klavan. The second ball was all Matip's fault as he let Wood just screw him for the assist w/ o breaking a sweat as he was not goal side on the high ball. Klavan had a decent game, IMO.

16 Sep 2017 21:03:59
As I saw it, Matip caused the first mistake by not winning the header, Klavan compounded it by going the same ball Matip failed to header (that he was never going to win in a million years) leaving Arfield in acres of space. Any decent centre half would have read the situation and dealt with the second ball. As long as we line up with a defender who isn't good enough for a championship side, expect more of this.

16 Sep 2017 17:08:39
I hope you post this as I just wanted to say something before the usual rabble start calling for klopp's head.

Both spurs and Chelsea have had poor results against Burnley and the fans remain firmly behind their managers. Watford got hammered by future pl camps imo.

16 Sep 2017 17:15:34
Chelsea went down to 10 men.

Not good enough today.

16 Sep 2017 17:16:38
I just never want to see Klavan EVER start a league game ever again,

16 Sep 2017 17:17:56
It's not the poor result that bothers. It's the nature of it. All that possession, all that pressure and we couldn't find a way through. We had two clear cut chances, one for Salah's goal and one for Solanke near the end. And yet again, we have a lapse at the back that let's the opposition in for an easy goal with their first chance. Same thing happened in mid-week. We must have the worst goals conceded to shots against ratio in any professional league in Europe.

And it's being going on for years with no sign of abating.

Do I think that perhaps Klopp could've done more to address this? Yes. Does that mean I want him sacked? No. It doesn't. But some frustration is understandable, just so long as people don't go ott and start looking to fly banners over Anfield over it.

16 Sep 2017 17:18:29
Those results they've had against Spuds and Chelsea aren't an excuse for us to draw at home to them? Comparing results is pointless, you should focus on how we haven't beaten Burnley at home with nearly 30 shots to our name and only 1 goal!

16 Sep 2017 17:22:55
Rubbish! Both the teams sit above us and looking nailed on to top 4. Who do you think we will replace from UTD, City, Chelse and Spurs?

16 Sep 2017 17:23:02
We were excellent today just one of those days.

16 Sep 2017 17:41:03
mighty we still had a draw at home, brother let's all of us take off our red tinted glasses starting with me.

16 Sep 2017 23:06:04
Crazy, while red tinted does not help nor does blind negativity. We need to improve defensively without question and clearly there are personnel issues but we dominated the game and had more than enough chances to win it. You ask for a balanced view but don't do it yourself. I am not happy with the results of late but it is not all negative. Danny, Phil and Robbo will all be better for games under their belt as well.

16 Sep 2017 16:25:35
Can we give him hendedon to Juventus and keep Emre? I have not seen another imposing midfielder at the club in a Long long time. Give him the assurances. He is going to be some player. The confidence he has to turn the ball after receiving a pass from the CB's. Now that's proper quality!

16 Sep 2017 16:34:26
Started 17 of the last 18 Premier League games going into last season. But needs assurances on his place?

I'm obviously missing something, cos that seems very strange to me.

16 Sep 2017 16:57:57
Another poor result we need to kick ourselves out of the funk ASAP, another goal concede, another two points dropped at home. The midfield three are two similar one needs dropping (atleast one) . i would have liked to have seen a 442 today we can't approach every game the same, as good as we are we aren't good enough to do so.

16 Sep 2017 17:03:30
The last straw for Can was the Keita signing imo. Rather have Keita but Can should stay and be first choice ahead of Hendo imo.

16 Sep 2017 15:39:38
Matip has pace, height, physique and he's good with the ball. He should really be the best defender at the club, but he's just too lax in his attitude and play.

For the goal, he's let's himself get the wrong side of Wood and he's outmuscled, so Klavan has to come over to help, leaving the space for Arfield to score.

Lovren / Klavan center back partnership is going to be thing pretty soon at the rate Matip's going.

16 Sep 2017 15:55:09
sure klavan made the right decision, but he f'd it up as usual.

16 Sep 2017 16:14:41
Perhaps a few games under his belt, he'll start to cut out the mistakes. He probably reads the game better than matip and lovren. I don't know, I'm getting kind of desperate here.

16 Sep 2017 16:34:11
Matip is very slow.

16 Sep 2017 17:09:50
He's only slow when he has to run back into position. Going forward he's fairly quick. Seems like a lazy attitude to me.

16 Sep 2017 17:18:02
Klavan should have been thinking about the second ball, he knew that he couldn't get there. Awful defender.

16 Sep 2017 17:31:59
The ball was for Matip to deal with but Klavan came over also, making it 2 players going for the same ball, hence leaving the centre open.

16 Sep 2017 20:03:25
Enuff w/ the Klavan bashing for the goal as he had NOTHING to do with it. It was all Matip and ONLY Matip who screwed up as Something Red described. I know Klavan is the scapegoat for everyone BUT this targeting of players needs to end, ASAP. Matip screwed up and in fact, Migs screwed up as well as he was out of position on the first header then had to pack=pedal after the second ball hence, he could not set his feet for the Arfield shot. Had he not been out of position, he would have had time to set his feet and maybe have a better chance of saving the shot as Arfield could only place it in one area of the goal.

16 Sep 2017 23:14:22
Bingo, i like how you try to defend our players but the reason Klavan had nothing to do with it was because he went for a ball he wasnt going to get and that left him no where for the 2nd ball. Can also didn't track the midfielder and Matip didn't do enough either.

16 Sep 2017 15:19:28
FFS - stop changing the CB's and allow a pairing to build up an understanding.

Also, I am personally disappointed that Grujic appears to be have fallen away from the match day squad. He just hasn't been given a chance.

16 Sep 2017 15:50:33
We spent 40 million on someone to keep his seat warm. What's not to like?

16 Sep 2017 15:54:10
Agree about Grujic being given a chance, also Klaven shouldn't be in there give Gomez a run out in the center of defense. At times we are looking like a Championship team.

16 Sep 2017 16:57:57
i don't care about possession stats or shots on goal, not solving the defensive issues will cost points and ultimately Klopp his job.

16 Sep 2017 14:49:16
Good to see our latest loanee getting a run out at Southampton today 😏.

16 Sep 2017 14:25:41
Milner starts, so Klopp hasn't dumped him.

16 Sep 2017 14:32:23
His first start in our seventh game of the season in spite of being available for every game. Hardly a Klopp favorite is he?

16 Sep 2017 14:22:06
Hello all
I wanted to say thanks for the thoughts, we got thru the hurricane fine, just no power so no LFC games to watch. Hopefully they pound Burnley.
Cheers
Matt in FL.

16 Sep 2017 14:39:50
Hope everyone in the Florida area gets through it all just like you mate.

16 Sep 2017 14:50:48
Glad you're OK Matt, couldn't have been nice.

16 Sep 2017 15:52:28
No way to watch it without spending more money to watch the games that don't get covered by TV. But that package only covers those games so you need both a TV subscription and this new "gold" package. Don't understand how they can charge you 50 bucks for just "the B games"

16 Sep 2017 12:00:03
Would like to see Gomez get a shot at Centre Back either today or against Leicester on Tuesday. Who to partner him is difficult but I would go with Lovren. I think Matip would leave Gomez out to dry by not bothering his butt getting back but Lovren may concentrate more than usual knowing he has the young lad in beside him.
It's worth a shot as Lovren and Matip at the back have been very poor.

16 Sep 2017 12:59:16
Klopp doesn't trust Gomez enough at CB. This is my observation. He was ready to sacrifise him for VVD anyways!

16 Sep 2017 13:39:11
I don't think gomes is ready yet. I think matip is better physically but lovren is better technically. If you watch lovren off the ball he is constantly looking around at the line, what's around him and I find that promising. Matip rarely does this. If I were going to drop one it would be matip for me.

16 Sep 2017 14:27:34
And he dropped Lovren Superred!

16 Sep 2017 10:35:19
Question for the eds if possible, I've seen in a lot of pre match press conferences when Klopp advises who will be the keeper in the upcoming game. Why does he release this information 24 hours earlier than the team lineup. We have three keepers. It's a toss up between migs and karius who will start each game (although my choice would be ward), migs and karius are two completely different keepers with different strengths and contrasting weaknesses, releasing that information early, do you not think would give the opposition an advantage as to how to set up their attack to best exploit the weaknesses of the chosen keeper?

{Ed001's Note - I have no idea why he does it.}

16 Sep 2017 11:01:45
Don't know why he does it either. However, a legendary coach (Carlos Bianchi of Argentina) once said that there are no true secrets in football. Bar a wrinkle here or there, everyone knows how everyone plays overall so it does not really matter what is said before the game or not. Just a thought.

16 Sep 2017 12:02:35
That's a very good point welshscouse. Why give any advantage to the opposition. Unless he's bluffing and stays with karius which I doubt.

{Ed002's Note - It doesn't give an advantage. The opposition don't care who he plays in goal.}

16 Sep 2017 13:41:18
Got to go with karius. Migs in goal is bad for my blood pressure!

16 Sep 2017 13:17:57
My point, exactly Ed02. There are NO secrets in football cos everyone knows how everyone players and we all know the lineups of the teams before games. During the game, is when the real world begins where a manager has to manage the game tactically and mentally along with the players, that's it and nothing more.

16 Sep 2017 10:10:55
All this talk of why didn't we sign a second best CB and they would be better than what we have . Yeh let's sign an okay centre back that we can slag off after a a few games because he ain't any good. That's what 90% of you guys do and us other 10% are bored of it. Boring, move on. It is what it is.

16 Sep 2017 10:30:33
No one has said sign the second best. They said sign the second choice if the first choice is unattainable. Similar to what we got in Salah and that hasn't turned out too bad. Good to see you have put yourself on a pedestal as one of 10% of fans who are better supporters than the other 90% though.

16 Sep 2017 11:26:53
Spot on, CJ. Jay, you and many others keep mentioning that we should have signed an alternative (which we tried to do with Koulibaly BUT it was not followed up) BUT none of you ever mention who that would have been, was he attainable, was LFC interested etc. People just mouth off stuff instead of trying to understand the thinking behind a decision even if you don't agree with it.

Take the LB position. Sessegnon was his first choice. It did not happen BUT Klopp knew that we needed a LB so we scouted Ghoulam and Robbo (who he already wanted last season allegedly) . Ghoalam was not the guy so he settled for Robbo who may just come out to be a good signing. What am I saying? Klopp knows what our issues are BUT he just won't buy for the sake cos if he does buy alternatives, they should be the ones he wants that fit the way we play, not just some warm body. If he does not see any alternatives out there that can do the job then, we will all have to trust him on that, good or bad.

Same with Salah as he signed him after Brandt and Keita Balde did not work out. How's Salah doing now at LFC? You may not agree with Klopp on this point and that is fine BUT you have to at ;least, try to understand his reasoning behind what he does.

16 Sep 2017 11:40:55
CJ, ok you're the best LFC fan in the world, are you happy now. Hat nonsense.

16 Sep 2017 11:48:12
🤦🏻‍♂ Bingo you clearly have not understood my post. You have just totally contradicted yourself and used one of my points of Salah not being first choice But him working out to actually argue against me and your original point 🤦🏻‍♂.

16 Sep 2017 11:52:35
Whose the second best Mcgoveb 😎😎😎.

16 Sep 2017 11:53:19
Few questions for you Bingo.
Are you happy with our defence?
Do you believe 14 goals conceded in 7 games is good enough to challenge for the league like you've stated we would previously?
Do you believe that VVD is the only centre half in the world better than Matip, Lovren and Klavan?
Do you think we were seriously in for Koulibaly when we offered something like 35 mill after Chelsea had a 50 mill bid already turned down.
Do you think spending over 150 mill on the attack and midfield and 17 mill on defence and keepers is reflecting well and sums up our current situation?

16 Sep 2017 12:20:34
Jay
Building a team takes time, evem Man City are finding this out.
The last window we concentracted on the mid field and up front. I think we all agree the transfer window has made us stroger in those departments.
Im sure the next few windows Klopp will concentrate on the defense, just have a little patience, Klopp has got us in the Champions league now give him time to sort out our defense. All of us know that the defense is now a problem and im sure the club are working tirelesly for the right defenders.

Rome wasnt built in a day

In Klopp I trust.

16 Sep 2017 12:40:40
Jayden

His answer is one line " Klopp is not at fault " lol 😄😄😄.

16 Sep 2017 12:51:29
Everred

Wouldn't bug your optimism mate but our midfield is ridiculously average especially center mid. Kieta would be a welcomed edition next summer but we ll loose Coutinho and Can. The circle never stop.

Cheers.

16 Sep 2017 12:55:59
Evered I do trust in Klopp mate and some of the football he has us playing is world class. But defensively we look Sunday league at times. I understand Rome wasn't built in a day but we are massively up against it this season to even get top 4 with city, Utd, Chelsea, Spurs all making good starts and let's not forget Arsenal (yes we have wrote them off but supporters also wrote Barcelona off pre season as being a spent force when Coutinho wanted to go there) . What if we have no CL football to offer next summer then when it is time to improve the defence our target window will have decreased massively. I'm not calling for Klopps head as I think he is a top coach but he is not bullet proof and football is all about fans opinions. None of our opinions actually have any effect on a football club. Hopefully 3 points today and everything will be positive again. That's how fickle football is but it's why we love it.

16 Sep 2017 13:38:46
Jayden, your questions make no sense. How many times has it been said here that good CB's are very rare hence why teams find them so hard to get cos they are expensive and their clubs don't sell? Of course, there are better CB's (Alderweireld, for example) than VVD BUT that is not the point? The point is that can we get them and will they come? Look at City, they've bought 300m worth of CB's and they are all crap and they are still crap at the back. The fact that they wanted an average CB like Evans proves my point.

In the end, it is not what I agree with or not that is the point. The point is to understand the reasons behind the decision Klopp made and that is the point. If you wanna keep moaning about the obvious then have at it cos clearly, you want to. I will moan as well as you are no more frustrated than me. The diff. is that I and many others clearly, try to look at things from a manager's point of view even if we don't agree with it. You call it absorbing Klopp of blame. The rest of us call it in-depth and critical thinking.

Things are not always as cut and dry as they seem and BTW, my point with Salah and Robbo is very accurate and correct so don't know why you think I am contradicting myself. He wanted Brandt, then Keita balde then he settled for Salah. he wanted Sessegnon, then Ghoulam then settled for Robbo. He clearly tried to get an alternative for VVD in Koulibaly and it did not come off (for whatever reason) and since no one was there after that, he kept his powder dry. These are his alternatives as the Ed's kept us all informed BUT I guess you missed that. What part of that is contradicting myself?

Klopp is building a team and while you are doing that, you have to add and subtract some pieces to get the right mix and this takes time. It took City over 1bn to get the team they have now and they are still not the finished article yet so what hope does Klopp have esp. as we don't have City-like money, dropping near half a billion every season? Read the again and this time, pay attention.

16 Sep 2017 13:43:32
Jay

I Agree, however i would not swap Klopp for any other premiership manager, he suits Liverpools passion and fight. I was so dissapointed that we could not bring in the right centre back however that's done now. Watching our defense is just nail biting especially with louvren in there. However top centre backs are few and far, I cannot see anyone around the world who is top class and available. People brandish names about and most of them are not a great improvement on what we've got. We could spend 30 mil on someone who is a slight upgrade however in the long term they will turn into another Charlie Adam or Sahko. We need to be patient and spend big on the right man/ men.

As for the other comment saying our midfied are ridiculously average! have you watched us play! we have torn top teams apart, and if Couts does leave we will have 100 mil plus and Kieta in midfield, people say such nonsense on here sometimes.

We have Couts and lallana to add to the midfield and you call them average, Wow can't beleive THAT!

16 Sep 2017 13:45:52
One week we hail our midfield as world beaters and now they are not good enough. I think we have FIVE of the best cms in the league.

16 Sep 2017 13:57:48
Bingo I stopped reading your post as soon as you said the questions didn't make sense. Clearly that told me that you were unwilling to answer them as you had no answer. You constantly say people are spouting or mouthing off when their opinion differs to yours like you are some kind of super fan. Football (soccer in your case) is all about debate and it's clear to see you ain't got a debate in you.

16 Sep 2017 14:04:20
There we go Bingo Mignolet and Milner both starting today. Let's hear your positive thoughts on them pair as I know you're willing to criticise other fans negativity whilst giving the players your patience.

16 Sep 2017 14:29:23
Jay we have conceded 13 not 14 in seven games. 13 isn't great either but we have scored 16. That means we're positive for the season and that means we are doing okay.

16 Sep 2017 14:30:54
@Jayden

I am waiting to hear from bingo on both the players. Milner in the midfield bingo, In the midfield. You ripped both Mignolet and Milner here, Now they both start lol!

16 Sep 2017 14:32:26
Superred

I would suggest you to wait till my beloved Ed01 finish his article on midfield. It will surprise you 😎😎.

16 Sep 2017 14:34:16
Everred

You have seen a lot more game than me mate! I respect it. We have completely different views on midfield and midfielders mate. But that's ok, it's induvidual opinion mate!
Cheers.

16 Sep 2017 16:13:36
Man City's crap defence fairing similar to ours against Watford Bingo.

16 Sep 2017 05:48:06
Hello Dear Ed001, Do you think Wijnaldum will be an important player for us in the long run? Im hardly impressed with him.

{Ed001's Note - the only person he has to impress is the manager, who does like him and what he brings to the team. Anyway, we are almost certain to lose Coutinho and Can from the midfield area next summer, Milner will likely go as well, so we will need him.}

16 Sep 2017 06:35:06
Thanks Ed001 you're the best! ❤️.

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}

16 Sep 2017 06:53:37
I think he's a great little player, he's always available and keeps it simple. I don't think he realizes how good he could be, just needs to believe in himself a bit more are cut out those silly mistakes he occasionally makes.

16 Sep 2017 07:40:37
For all hard work, he needs to score goals where he is poor infact our entire midfield is poor. He is a proper ghost in away games!

16 Sep 2017 08:02:23
Ed replacing those 2 might not be easy. Keita obviously coming in but who else do you think? Surely we will try to replace.

{Ed001's Note - I have no idea right now, it is a long way off and a lot can change.}

16 Sep 2017 08:41:44
He's part of the midfield that doesn't protect the defence, he still has work to do IMO.

16 Sep 2017 09:21:37
Gini will probably rotate with Lallana next season. Keita is a sure shot starter and Hendo/ new CDM will play behind Keita and Gini/ Lallana.

16 Sep 2017 09:26:38
Ha ha Ron. That is where Klopp is wrong! Wiji is an old school CAM ( gerrrard of 08/ 09 ) A far better player than Lallana. Wiji has strength and excellent pace and he is brilliant when he gets involved in attack ( that bullet header against City ) shows exactly where he should operate. He according to himslefnand his former boss is a perfect ACM.

If you want to drop him deep protect the defsne. Break up occasional attacks of opposition then you have brought a wrong player or you are taking the best part of a good player.

It's all coz Klopp wants to revolutionize football, oh my 3 midfielders. Oh my 3 midifielders, One drops in two charges high! 2 drops in 1 charges high. That terrific poetry in motion. Unfortunately it's not working Ron!

Our midfielders as a whole is in no man's land. Neither they score goals nor they protect the defense well enough!

16 Sep 2017 09:37:19
If Can goes, our midfield will be small in terms of size, hope we sign someone can protect our defence.

16 Sep 2017 10:24:00
I think Wiji is competing with Can for fourth/ fifth choice midfielder. If Coutinho gets up to speed and Lallana comes back then he'll get a lot less game time. I also think we'll get another midfielder (someone like Lemar), beyond Keita, who'll also be ahead of Wiji.

16 Sep 2017 11:30:13
Harry, I agree with the first two paragraphs of your post as you have described Wiji to a T. The rest of your post is your typical Klopp bashing crap you always post hence, irrelevant.

16 Sep 2017 12:03:29
That's ok bingo! I am happy you realize I like players as well 😎😎. My post has nothing to do with Klopp, it's the system he plays at Liverpool!

16 Sep 2017 13:15:06
we have gujic who can come good as well as ox can play there don't forget the kids coming from academy.

15 Sep 2017 23:50:41
Although not his usual style, the gaffa has told the squad they need to start performing and repaying the faith he has showed. That's the nice way of putting it, wouldn't call it a riot act but it wasn't as pleasant as usual. Some of the squad think it was about time.

Peace.

16 Sep 2017 05:00:44
are you a fly or know the fly sitting on the wall listening to these coversations?

16 Sep 2017 06:54:06
Twitter?