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05 Jun 2017 11:09:44
Eds has any interest been shown in Origi? Personally I think we should send him out on loan if the option became available. Could become a fantastic player but he won't while he's on the bench for us.

The natural

{Ed025's Note - not as far as i am aware mate, i think you are over indulgent with your assessment of him though as for me he is mediocre..


1.) 05 Jun 2017 11:20:12
I have to agree with Ed025's assessment there. I found Origi to be really disappointing towards the end of last season. He's got great physical attributes but lacks intelligence, his movement off the ball is poor, I found when he gets the ball he takes too many touches and takes all the momentum out of our attacks.


2.) 05 Jun 2017 11:20:54
He is mediocre. I agree. Hence why I said "could" become a fantastic player. Which I think he could. He has the physical attributes but his game intelligence is quite poor.

{Ed025's Note - fair enough mate..


3.) 05 Jun 2017 11:24:41
I don't know, we've seen how loans are going for most of our players. I'd argue training at Liverpool and playing 25/ 30 games a season is better experience for him. If the coach who's loaned him decides he doesn't rate him 10 games in, he'll have a much worse time of it. Another coach has no investment in his development.

I'd argue the only time a loan is worthwhile is when the player is going to start every week, putting them into someone's squad to rotate with isn't any better than rotating with us.


4.) 05 Jun 2017 11:26:35
He is mediocre I agree. Hence why i said he "could" become a fantastic player. Has all the attributes to do so but lacks game intelligence right now. And that won't improve much from the bench.

{Ed025's Note - fair enough mate


5.) 05 Jun 2017 11:40:56
He is no mediocre. He is decent but not anything spectacular. He has got plenty of chances ahead of Sturridge and should have made his position his own by now. He could also end up like Wellbeck. If the club is after another striker that clearly means Klopp doesn't want to rely on him or any other striker to lead the line!

{Ed025's Note - yes decent= nothing spectacular= mediocre..


6.) 05 Jun 2017 11:59:33
Agree with the ed on this one, and I really don't see how a player labelled as "mediocre" can also have the potential of becoming a "fantastic player".


7.) 05 Jun 2017 12:11:02
I thought his goal against Everton was well taken with good movement, the poor lad has not really had a chance at Liverpool - when he has come in he usually has done well, he has proved to be a better LFC player than the likes of Cisse, Diouf, Morientes, Ngog and Keane - he is still only 22 and is a 1 in 3 goal conversion rate and probably happy to be part of the squad - we cannot have 25 superstars. If we keep Sturridge and get another forward we will players like Origi and Ings to be happy as squad players.

{Ed025's Note - you cant dine out for ever on scoring against everton though mate..


8.) 05 Jun 2017 12:35:28
Adam it's quite simple. As a player progresses he can go from poor, to mediocre, to good, to very good, to excellent. Right now Origi is mediocre. With improvements he will go to good and with a lot of improvements he could potentially be great.

{Ed025's Note - and then theres the silk purse and sows ear theory mate..


9.) 05 Jun 2017 12:47:46
He could be a good bench option but really don't see him being a really good, 20 a season (or thereabouts) level of player. He still needs to develop but equally it is misleading to say not given a chance, he has had a lot of game time but he isn't ready yet to be the main attacking option.


10.) 05 Jun 2017 12:48:44
Genuinely can't make up my mind if Origi is going to be brilliant or the next Carlton cole!

{Ed025's Note - he aspires to be carlton cole fencey.. :)


11.) 05 Jun 2017 12:49:35
Touché ed025 touché.


12.) 05 Jun 2017 14:08:42
Harry Kane was mediocre.


 

 

04 Jun 2017 14:54:36
Has Markovic been sold? Did I miss this completely?

The natural

{Ed025's Note - no mate..


1.) 04 Jun 2017 16:14:39
Damn.


 

 

03 Jun 2017 14:47:28
Salah all but done. Minor things wrapped up over the weekend. Would take a random event for us not to sign him now. Will be announced early next week.
Early 30m's. interesting business that was unseen from left field about a week ago.
That's a good sign in my eyes. Close nit group.

The natural

1.) 03 Jun 2017 15:28:16
Salah has been mentioned numerous occasions the last few months.


2.) 03 Jun 2017 15:29:28
Good signing, pace, skill, guile and end product.


3.) 03 Jun 2017 15:29:54
Insider info, natural?


4.) 03 Jun 2017 15:44:40
Hope its true. Getting him for less that 35 million is a good deal imo. Now onto the all important fullbacks (Periera and Bertrand are my choices) and maybe a CB.


5.) 03 Jun 2017 16:11:37
Covra by who? Nout on these pages, was all about brandt.


6.) 03 Jun 2017 18:09:18
There was mentions of him on this board, by posters and eds along with the national rags.


7.) 03 Jun 2017 19:09:15
With all due respect there are not many decent players that have not been mentioned by someone on here.


8.) 03 Jun 2017 20:01:32
He was mentioned a few times, VVD has been mentioned on a regular basis by every rag and media outlet and Solanke was also reported as a done deal a long while ago, seems for once the media has guessed right (although if you throw a lot of rubbish it sticks)


9.) 04 Jun 2017 02:16:13
Question: isn't Salah a right winger?
How do you guys think we would line up with him and Mane in the 11?


10.) 04 Jun 2017 02:59:24
Obviously, things will be shuffled around. Mane can play on the left too.


 

 

17 May 2017 15:59:18
Eds I am hearing whispers of James Rodriguez being lined up if:
A) we get champions league
B) Cautinho leaves

The owners like the idea of replacing Cautinho (if he leaves) with a big money signing and love how commercial James Rodriguez is.
I am told it's most likely not going to happen as the player has several options on the table BUT if he is to move he wants to be the Star man in the team - whatever that team may be. Inter Milan looking most likely atm though.

The natural

1.) 17 May 2017 18:25:03
Don't believe this as far as I can throw it. And I can't throw it.


2.) 17 May 2017 18:36:49
Dor believe it.

Although I'm going to go against the trend on here and particularly Ed001s view and say I think he is a great player. Not world class but a very good player and would be a great signing in an alternate reality.


3.) 17 May 2017 18:52:42
Not going to happen, he's going to the mancs.


4.) 17 May 2017 19:02:55
Who is Cautinho?


5.) 17 May 2017 19:11:20
He's coutinhas brother.


6.) 17 May 2017 21:17:16
I'm pretty sure that the owners don't "like the idea" of spending a lot of money.
They may be resigned to the fact, but I doubt it's one they are rubbing their hands with glee over.


7.) 17 May 2017 21:41:17
They can keep him and his wage demands or better still let the scum take him and his wage!


8.) 17 May 2017 22:26:00
As I say lads, he's most likely off to Inter.


9.) 17 May 2017 22:35:20
He is, in my opinion, a bloody good player.
I agree that it is unlikely that he will end up at Liverpool.
But if he does you will, eventually, rejoice.
Please stop these unnecessarily stupid and derogatory comments.


10.) 17 May 2017 22:46:29
He's the most over rated player in Europe since Hulk left, far better options out there if coutinho leaves.


11.) 18 May 2017 02:22:30
I believe if you make yourself a hat out of tinfoil those whispers will go away.


12.) 18 May 2017 09:50:17
He's a decent player and would give us more creativity in the final third. Is he worth the money he'd want? Probably not but would still welcome him if he came. He won't though.


13.) 18 May 2017 14:33:03
How can you say the owners don't like the idea of spending money after seeing the amounts spent on Carroll, Firmino and Mane? Or how the entire amount gotten for Suarez (and much more) was spent on all those players in that summer? If anything, one can argue they weren't spending it wisely. But I think they've gotten much better at it, as time has come along.


14.) 18 May 2017 16:06:43
ra1969
I never said they never spent any money, I said they probably don't "like the idea" of it.
To say they like the idea of replacing him with a big money signing is ridiculous.
They'd like the idea of replacing him with someone from the academy, I'm sure.
Spending £60 or £70 million on a player isn't going to have them jumping through hoops.


15.) 18 May 2017 18:38:09
James is not a bloody good player and even a so-so manager like ZZ can see that. James is overrated, lazy, lacks work ethic and pas a stinking attitude, all the things Klopp despises in a player.

There's a reason why he can't get a game ahead of an average player like Lucas Vazquez or getting benched by a promising talent in Sergio Asencio. If Couts was ever sold and replaced by James, then I know Klopp has lost his mind.


16.) 18 May 2017 18:43:12
I think that the majority of us heard this rumour about a month ago. He is one of the hundred or so players that will be signed by Liverpool this summer. Personally I will wait until just after 11pm on 31st August when we will be able to start rumours about who we are signing in the January Transfer Window.


 

 

02 May 2017 23:17:02
Rumour of Cesc Fabregas being linked to Liverpool . First I've heard of it but personally think the lad is class. Any insight Eds?

The natural

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any approach from Liverpool regrding Fabregas but he is a very good and experienced player and he would likely be open to an offer from an English side. Chelsea are willing to let him move on this summer and have a replacement who they have been working on and are hopeful they can agree the transfer of. Milan has spoken to Chelsea about three Chelsea players but that list is down to two and Fabregas is one. On the other side of the coin, Fabregas is only marginally quicker than me and typically that is not the sort of player Klipperty looks to. What he would bring is a great deal of experience and the ability turn panic in to thoughtful football.}


1.) 03 May 2017 07:17:24
Clickbait.

{Ed001's Note - even if Fabregas was good enough he would be the most unsuited player to our system imaginable. Lazy player and a lazy link.}


2.) 03 May 2017 07:50:19
I understand where you're both coming from Eds in that he's not the typical player he looks to but he wouldn't be a million miles off what Gotze was for Klopp back at Dortmund and at that time Gotze made that team tick.

{Ed001's Note - except Goetze was a good player, Fabregas is one of the most overrated in the current game. One good pass a game is seemingly now enough to have a player raved about.}


3.) 03 May 2017 09:19:04
Would be good against the 'lesser' teams when we need to be more patient. Don't think he would suit our system against the rest of the top 6.


4.) 03 May 2017 09:34:47
Personally I would love Fabregas.


5.) 03 May 2017 09:43:37
Fabregas is an excellent passer of the ball. He is third in assist table only starting just 11 games this season. He doesn't run hence he wouldn't interest Klopp.


6.) 03 May 2017 16:39:08
Can we call the 'every player is signing for Liverpool' season now officially open?


7.) 04 May 2017 08:54:47
Great analysis Ed. the things players are credited for these days should be standard procedure. being able to have 97% pass completion rate when all you do is make the obvious 5 yard pass is not exactly mind blowing. would rather have someone with a lesser passing percentage that was more adventurous. also ozil was top assists in Europe prior to signing for Arsenal. would anyone here still want to sign him lol.


 

 

 

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26 Jun 2017 19:54:21
Hi eds, Chelsea seem to be awash with brilliant young CB's yet are trying to buy Bonucci.
Have we shown any interest in Ake, Zouma or Christensen?

The natural

{Ed002's Note - No.}


1.) 26 Jun 2017 22:24:49
Christensen is the best out of those three, really top player.


2.) 26 Jun 2017 23:10:04
Cheers Ed002.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome. John Terry is certainly available. And Zouma for a loan. We will see about Ake.}


3.) 26 Jun 2017 23:12:31
Just an honest question Ed but surely the club would of had some idea of how klopp was acting behind the scenes or he would of been sacked by now? Or is it a case of FSG not having the guts to do so.?

{Ed002's Note - They are the owners and have people in London who run the club. They will be extremely disappointed yet again.}


4.) 26 Jun 2017 23:03:18
Was wondering the same thing a few days ago. Christensen has huge potential and played very well the last few years for Gladbach. Also he would be available for something around 20-25 mio € so wouldn't be that bad either.

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea has already turned down a significant bid for Christensen, they do not wish to sell, and Liverpool has shown no interest.}


5.) 26 Jun 2017 23:24:44
Thanks for the quick reply Ed. Jes it's a bit tasty behind all the hugs and laughs so. And I'm a big fan of klopp myself but honestly he must be testing the patience big time now of FSG. Seems like they might try and put a leash on the dog. So to speak. I honestly feel like FSG might see LFC as a problem they cannot fix.

{Ed002's Note - They are continuing to try but at some point they will let go with the right offer.}


6.) 26 Jun 2017 23:32:56
Cheers Ed002 don't let the guys that bathe in constant ignorant bliss. Get you down. We always welcome the news. Even though it sometimes is not what we want to hear.


 

 

23 Jun 2017 14:56:05
Banter please eds. with us securing Solanke and Salah so far, I for one would wholeheartedly love to bring in our two other main targets which from what I can see and hear are Mendy and VVD still.

That would bring our spending to about £150m on 4 players.
I for one say to that, excellent! Quality over quantity. About time.

Don't get me wrong we would all love Keita, Auba and Mbappe and all these other great players but I don't see us getting any of them and in all honesty, we need Mendy and VVD more.

The natural

1.) 23 Jun 2017 16:33:35
Great post natural!


 

 

17 Jun 2017 15:12:47
Proper clear out at our full back positions this summer is on the cards.
Looking for exits for Conor Randall, Moreno, Flanagan and Wisdom who is already gone.
None of these players are good enough.

The natural

1.) 17 Jun 2017 15:37:07
Agreed. Clyne and TAA will be our RBs and a new LB (hopefully Mendy) will join while Milner will deputise.


2.) 18 Jun 2017 00:26:59
I'd prefer Milner at RB to Clyne. Milner is probably the best crosser of the ball we have and much more effective both in attack and defence than Clyne.


3.) 18 Jun 2017 02:40:40
Milner may be better on the right,
On the left he had to keep cutting in and often the final ball was poor.

But 10/ 10 for attitude and effort.

A top professional.


4.) 18 Jun 2017 03:20:35
Clyne should be added to the Outs list as he is severely poor.


5.) 18 Jun 2017 09:45:26
That's what I mean, by a proper left back and have TAA and Milner at RB. I don't really mind Clyne to much as he's never seems to make errors leading to goals against, but his wastefulness going forward is not befitting an international fullback these days.


 

 

07 Jun 2017 23:28:31
Remember 48 hours ago. That was happy times. VVD all but signed, Salah deal done. What on earth happened!

The natural

1.) 08 Jun 2017 00:04:28
Standard Liverpool practice happened.


2.) 08 Jun 2017 00:08:44
I can see the headlines now. 'Complete and Dijk heads'.


3.) 08 Jun 2017 00:04:28
Standard Liverpool practice happened.


4.) 08 Jun 2017 00:08:44
I can see the headlines now. 'Complete and Dijk heads'.


5.) 08 Jun 2017 00:19:23
Window hasn't even opened yet, it's going to be a very long summer.


6.) 08 Jun 2017 02:19:44
Sucks as the deal was virgily done. hope we don't toss the salah on future deals. we will look like a bunch of ayre heads.


 

 

06 Jun 2017 13:37:18
Eds, question away from VVD if I may. I see Kolasinic announced and in an Arsenal jersey.
My understanding is that nothing is 100% official until 1st July when the transfer window officially opens.
I've also read on here that if we sign Salah it's actually a pre agreement. Therefore we won't see him with a Liverpool jersey until 1st July.
Can you clear this up as I'm a little confused/ unsure.

The natural

{Ed001's Note - it is a pre-contract agreement, which can be broken/gazumped as has happened a few times in the past. That is why some clubs do not announce them until it is all completed and the player is registered as theirs.}


1.) 06 Jun 2017 15:07:26
Actually take Bernardo Silva for instance. You're saying technically another team could gazump city and sign him? that's mental.


2.) 06 Jun 2017 15:22:31
Willian was taken of Spurs medical table and went to Chelsea. Now that, is mental.


3.) 06 Jun 2017 15:46:59
Yeah but he didn't actually pose with a spurs jersey or ever be announced.

{Ed001's Note - it has happened within the last few years in Germany to a Bundesliga club. They announced a signing and had pictures on the website etc, then he changed his mind and signed for someone else altogether. It was incredibly embarrassing for them.}


4.) 06 Jun 2017 15:00:03
Cheers ed001. Who has it happened to before out of interest? What a kick in the nuts that'd be.

{Ed001's Note - I couldn't remember off the top of my head mate, I have been trying to think who it was.}


 

 

 

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25 Jun 2017 11:02:43
The Ox is just not good enough to be a starter for Liverpool. That being said if we can get him for £20m then I would be happy as he would add good squad dept. But you should not be spending £30m on squad dept.

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17 Jun 2017 11:45:20
Cheers ST. Hope you're right.

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11 Jun 2017 10:02:37
Quotation marks? So the quote has been taken from who/ where?

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10 Jun 2017 15:28:21
I'm am of the opinion it will still happen mate. Although it may be another 4-6 weeks by the time it does.

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06 Jun 2017 12:46:19
I get it Ed but my point I was trying to make is if they're willing and happy to sell at 60m then why would they report us and in turn scupper the deal?
I just don't believe it.

The natural

{Ed001's Note - that is irrelevant. You can still be annoyed by someone being underhand.}


 

 

 

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26 Jun 2017 23:10:04
Cheers Ed002.

The natural

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome. John Terry is certainly available. And Zouma for a loan. We will see about Ake.}


 

 

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26 Jun 2017 23:09:35
Yowza Ed002. To paraphrase some of the locals "calm down calm down"

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25 Jun 2017 17:11:50
Digne wouldn't be a bad shout.

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24 Jun 2017 13:42:21
MK statistics prove nothing. 61% of all people know this.

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21 Jun 2017 23:04:14
Correction Brazil, he's exactly the same as he was with us. Shocking!

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