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06 Oct 2017 23:33:45
England stroll to another tournament where inevitably they'll crash out in a blaze of disappointment. Anybody think if they weren't seeded so high for a tournament they'd spend two years preparing properly for competitive football and be a little more of a force? Perhaps facing real quality international teams during the qualifiers would increase the national interest as well- maybe I'm getting old but growing up in the eighties and nineties there was a far greater interest in international football. Now, I'm Irish so I don't really mind and getting to the tournament is a major lift for the entire country but for the English fans who crave a big tournament win it might be something to think on.


1.) 07 Oct 2017 10:30:24
The thing is England are just not that good, we are probably a second tier team so have only a small chance of ever winning a tournament.
The media whips the whole country into a frenzy as well so everyone has unrealistic expectations.

2.) 07 Oct 2017 10:57:50
England will screw up the same way they have done since Euro 96. That is the simple fact. Pretty sure that the way England was embarrassed at the last Euros is not the lowest it can get to (tho they did not make it out of the group in Brazil either but I digress) . I am pretty confident that they can get lower than that.

3.) 07 Oct 2017 12:19:35
I think when you are never challenged it's easy to settle for mediocrity until a tournament shows up and sucker punches you. South Americans have amazing competition over the qualifiers. Not to mention the copa America format. I think Ireland n Ireland and Wales performed well at last euros because they'd killed themselves trying to qualify and kept that mentality going into the tournament. I think as long as England don't have to battle Portugal France Spain Holland or Belgium etc for one spot, they'll never get out of first gear and crumble under the expectation.

4.) 07 Oct 2017 12:20:03
England has had one good manager in 25 years and that was Terry Venables.

Managing England is not like managing a club side. You have to be tactically astute but we've had managers like that. The other thing that hardly any England manager realises is the pressure the players are under. Venables realised it and Bobby Robson did too. Foreign managers don't get it. Non-foreign managers (English) don't know how to deal with it because they're not very good.

Spain suffered for decades with the same problem. Venables solved it with a master stroke before euro 96. He sent them on an overseas tour (against Thailand 😄) pre tournament. The match was terrible - usual English rubbish. But the master stroke was letting the players go wild afterwards. The press SLAUGHTERED the players calling them useless (they were against Thailand) and irresponsible yobs- the dentists chair episode.

Expectation immediately hit rock bottom and the players now had nothing to lose. No-one expected them to achieve anything. Some even said we should forfeit the tournament. The players then gave the Dutch a footballing lesson, knocked out Spain and were inches away from knocking out winners Germany in extra time in the semis.

5.) 07 Oct 2017 12:56:18
So England’s Problem from decades is not having a good manager Ron? A group of medicore players who are like feeder club to PL clubs!

6.) 07 Oct 2017 13:43:30
Ron, I agree whole-heartedly with your post. However, your history of Euro 96 is missing a couple of details. England made a right muck of the first game vs the Swiss then coached by. Roy Hodgson and were lucky to get a draw vs them when Kubilay canceled out Shearer's opener. The boys then went into the game vs Scotland right up against it and tho they led via Shearer, had the verr reliable Gary Mac not missed his penalty, not sure they make it out of that game with 3 points as the fans were already on top of them.

They did handle the Dutch very well BUT vs Spain again, they were awful and had the penalty been given when Alfonso was fouled in the box, not sure they win that quarter final either. Vs Germany, they were very unlucky and that game is one my all time favorite games ever, the sort of games int'l football of today will NEVER give you. It was breathless.

I was just pointing out that that England team and TV were under the sort of pressure that this England team would quite simply crumble under and it was NEVER smooth-sailing for them throughout the tourney. They did pull thru tho and that is commendable in itself.

7.) 07 Oct 2017 15:15:34
You forgot Euro 96 was in England Ron. I'm sure that helped.

8.) 07 Oct 2017 17:50:32
Actually aoe I don't think it does help as the expectation is higher.

My point is the managers need to have a tactic for lowering expectation and pressure. Foreign managers don't get it until it's too late, English managers aren't good enough.

9.) 07 Oct 2017 19:02:09
I absolutely do get your point but I really do think any home team has a huge advantage. Dare I say 1966? I think if the pressure was the reason, how do England not buckle under the pressure of qualification? I really think there are far better teams in Europe that deserve to be seeded as high as they are. I think England is cursed by under performing yet still qualifying and keeping their place as top seed in every tournament. I think (and I may be wrong) that after the 2018 World Cup they are changing it up or at least reviewing it. Perhaps that may be the difference the team needs. For my sake, let's hope not eh 😜.

10.) 07 Oct 2017 20:49:22
I would suggest Hoddle could have bern good before his comments. He played a decent brand of football and appeared to have the backing of the players but your point remains Ron.

11.) 07 Oct 2017 21:37:53
That's true, at the time hoddle seemed to be doing everything right and then the ridiculous comments kind of ruined it all.



14 Sep 2017 08:47:41
Seriously lads, it was a draw, put the knives away and support the team. I'm not entirely sure a new defender would fix the problems we have anyhow and besides, we are stuck with what we have for now until at least January- we all know there were dreadful errors made in the window. Do we need to keep going on about it. If these same problems persist as the season goes on and klopp makes no changes, then perhaps we've earned the right to holler from the highest peaks. As it is, we are thrilling to watch going forward. Klopp has obviously been working on beating teams who put men behind the ball. If we can get a little consistency and perhaps confidence at the back, who knows how far we can go.


1.) 14 Sep 2017 09:08:30
Mate I'm not being funny but it's the same old same old, week in week out
Month after month been going on for way too long now really fed up and tbh I think our attacking players are getting fed up of the shambles behind them
Really really frustrating starting to lose faith in klopp and don't even care what anyone has to say.
How we didn't buy a cb in the summer is beyond belief.

2.) 14 Sep 2017 12:10:46
Ravinroge, you don't just buy a CB for the fun of it. That is just nonsense and the main reason we had so many poor players on the books for years. Klopp wanted Lovren replaced and went for VVD all in. He also went for Koulibaly but did not pursue that route further. If a CB does not improve us, why buy him? For the sake of saying, "Look we bought a CB". If he does not think he is good enuff, he won't be bought and that is the reality and I agree with that.

Oh BTW, what will you say when this new CB makes a mistake? Will you be on his back? Football is not an exact science in this area. The only thing you can do is to do your homework and get all the info you need on a player and then roll the dice. Nothing more.

3.) 14 Sep 2017 16:16:21
Bingo you must be deluded if you think there's not a single centre back in the world other than van dijk who can improve our squad instead of matip lovren or klavan
Who said buy for the sake of it? How isit buying for the fun when it's blatant that's what we need?
Ok then so what your saying is just continue with our defence and hope our defence just improves, sorry mate ain't gunna happen end of.
And I can guarantee where still in this same position until there replaced.

4.) 14 Sep 2017 16:56:06
I think we didn't get a defender cos we (and klopp) broke the rules and hadn't the money to sway Southampton, but I stick with my point. I'm not sure vvd comes in and fixes everything. I think the problems are deeper seeded. I think it's down to sorting set pieces and offering cover for a nervous back four in open play. I agree it's frustrating to watch the same problems pop up a little too frequently but we are where we are.

I'm not saying klopp is above criticism- I do however think it's a little early for such heavy criticism. I also think it's important to support the team when they win, lose and even draw against a decent Spanish team.



05 Sep 2017 18:57:17
Just a question, I know he's in the cl squad but means very little but is there high hopes for masterson at all or just a hg selection.


1.) 05 Sep 2017 19:44:46
I remember during the midseason camp in Spain last year where the injured, youth and non-internationals trained Klopp singled out Brewster, Dhanda (whose contract runs out at the end of the season, we should tie him up) and Masterson who impressed him the most.



26 Jun 2017 16:15:02
Sky trolling about mbappe again and incidentally promoting betting odds in the same breath. Deep sigh.




04 Oct 2016 11:49:14
Just wondering what happened with paco at valencia, big fan of his and disappointed to hear he wasn't able to fix the mess left behind by Neville. Really hope his reputation hasn't been tarnished. Obviously I think he did a fantastic job with us.


1.) 04 Oct 2016 12:22:20
A bit much blaning valencia's troubles at the feet of Nevile - he was only there 5 minutes!

2.) 04 Oct 2016 13:04:33
That's a fair criticism.

3.) 04 Oct 2016 13:25:40
Mess left behind by Nevile? Nevile did not last 3 months at Valencia.

4.) 04 Oct 2016 13:26:58
Mess left behind by Nevile? Nevile did not last 3 months at Valencia.

5.) 04 Oct 2016 14:50:25
the mess at Valencia is the fault of one person only: peter lim, thankfully he did not get his hands on Liverpool fc.

6.) 04 Oct 2016 15:01:39
Lol In those 3 months he did take them from 5 points off the champions league to 6 points away from relegation. Worst win % of any Valencia manager in la Liga history. Bit of a mess I'd say.

7.) 04 Oct 2016 17:37:47
I meant fair criticism that it's probably not his fault, just a shame about paco is all.




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28 Sep 2017 23:10:38
Silva from Watford anyone?




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19 Sep 2017 12:33:41
The last few seasons has seen player power at its height but has the last window shown that clubs have wrestled some of the power away from the agents, players and even media? Notably vvd, coutinho and sanchez or was it just badly handled business? (Which is usually what we're up to ) And next window shall business return to "normal". The cynic in me sees us bid for vvd when Barcelona come in for pip January 1st.




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12 Sep 2017 18:39:28
Touché mk. We're also talking about poor old Danny as well. Hope it doesn't knock him back too much.




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12 Sep 2017 07:31:20
Are we talking city can or arsenal can? Because he was sublime against arsenal. I feel if he could hold that form he would be giving klopp a wonderfully hard decision come next season (if he stays)




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10 Sep 2017 10:44:02
Dunphy would batter him. He's box office baby!





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18 Oct 2017 11:23:41
Fair point bingo- hatful may have been an exaggeration on my part. Was blown away by that loris save but in fairness both keepers did indeed shine for that match.




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18 Oct 2017 09:15:35
Madrid could have scored a hatful but for loris. The difference a good keeper makes.




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18 Oct 2017 09:13:55
That's a fair point ed and I agree that maribor worked hard to qualify for the group stages so kudos to them and make no mistake that I'm delighted about the result. But really, I'm seeing everyone lose the run of themselves over a freak scoreline. I don't even think we got out of first gear. I think they just fell apart early on when we started well and let us play the ball around the park like a training match. Maybe I'm wrong but only can looked interested in busting a nut to cover when they dared to go into our half. For me it was the perfect match for a tough one against Spurs. Hopefully klopp makes the lads feel ten feet tall and they go out and put in a really strong performance and we start catching up.




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18 Oct 2017 00:37:20
You can't possibly suggest Milner in for Henderson after that performance. Suggest it after a decent performance against actual opposition. I'm in no way knocking the lad- I'm using common sense. I find it difficult to believe Henderson would not have had an outstanding performance tonight with that much time and space and complete disinterest from the opposition. If anything I thought gini could have done more given the opposition.




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18 Oct 2017 00:29:39
I think any other team in the competition beats them comfortably tonight. I'm not making light of a thoroughly professional performance but I am looking at it objectively. Klopp picked a strong team, he made some nice substitutions thinking ahead and we didn't let our heads drop. On the other hand, we'll likely never face a team who will capitulate as badly as this one for the next decade or so.


{Ed001's Note - it was not as simple as that, if we had not scored early then it would have been different. That killed their gameplan and forced them to come out and play.}