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14 Mar 2021 16:13:57
I feel that this squad has massively over achieved for the previous two seasons. Beating Man C to the title w their finances and squad depth was an amazing achievement. The owners needed to back Klopp last summer and replace Lovren. Spending on a CB would have been chump change compared to the loss of revenue finishing further down the league and not being in the CL. So the owners lack of foresight has come back to bite. Yes we've had terrible injuries but season after season they're asking the team to do more with less. Hoping there is some money coming into the squad to address the CB issue.

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1.) 14 Mar 2021 16:54:50
OP i can't beleive i've just seen you say we over achieved.

Over acheiving is 'to achieve more than is expected'.

You do know that we have had 2 Champions league finals and two wpnderful years in the premiership where we were so far infront of man city and all the others that they did not even bother showing the league table with us in first place.

This has happened because our owners brought in the best manager and let him buy VVD and Alisson for world record amounts.

You do know we are in the champions league QF again.

This is continued success, not over achieving.

If you won a million pounds in the lottery would you complain that it should be 2 million?


2.) 14 Mar 2021 17:03:23
They have not over achieved anything. The team and the staff worked insanely hard for what they achieved. Let's not undermine that.


3.) 14 Mar 2021 17:11:07
No need to be so condescending. And I don't need to play the lotto to have a couple million for the record. On paper city should win it every year so yes i think that's over achieving. Give us half City's money and they wouldn't touch us. The lack of investing has finally caught up this year is my point. Not criticizing the players. They can't keep doing what they've done w a squad that's not nearly as deep as citys.


4.) 14 Mar 2021 17:15:36
So we could have played one cb but we still wouldn't have had another. if it's and buts were candies and nuts we would have won 7th UCL 2 years back not 6th. what has happened has happened we walk on! with hope in our heart! ynwa!


5.) 14 Mar 2021 17:33:35
Football games are not played on paper. And that's the beauty of the whole thing.


6.) 14 Mar 2021 17:35:08
Redflyer is a multi millionaire chaps. not that he talks about it 😂😂.


7.) 14 Mar 2021 17:36:24
I actually thought we underachieved last season, we were that far ahead of everyone else we should of won more trophies.


8.) 14 Mar 2021 19:18:01
If your one of the favourites to win at the start and you win how is that over achieving? Leicester winning with starting odds of a 1000-1 is what you would call over achieving.


9.) 14 Mar 2021 19:19:10
Our first 11 is as good as anyone. Beyond that we don't have the depth and that's become apparent this season and for me that's on the owners. That's the only point I was trying to make. Speculation/ accumulation etc. Didn't mean to offend w my over achieving comment.


10.) 14 Mar 2021 19:46:24
I actually sort of agree with Redflyer. We don't have the depth of squad quality as City and the only reason we have succeeded in the last few seasons is because our main group of players have stayed injury free, pretty much. Our squad depth has been shown up this season with our injuries, hence a major part of the reason for our form.
It seems Klopp put all his eggs into one basket (the core group), but the finances obviously don't cover players that we haven't relied on so much.
Let's be honest, it was the right move, we won trophies that have been missing from our cabinet for years.
So yes, if Klopp did have the finances of City he would knock them out of the park in my opinion and this season wouldn't have been such as a disaster.


11.) 14 Mar 2021 19:58:10
I know what you are saying Redflyer. With our salary and spend we should be lower than the likes of City, Utd and Chelsea. In that respect we should be 4th if all went to plan.
But Klopp has a habit of making players play better and reaching higher levels.
But when you get to those levels people expect that to be the norm so others won't see it as over achieving. Same case for Spurs when they had Poch. They over achieved massively for a few years. Lots of their fans felt they could achieve more. They got rid and they are back to where you'd expect.


12.) 14 Mar 2021 20:44:07
OP, you are not the only fan who has made the “we massively overachieved in the last two years claim” and like the others before you, that is patently false and the facts and our upward trajectory year after year, is there to prove it. You don’t dethrone a club like City by overachieving on the off ocassion. That is hogwash. It is done by careful and meticulous planning and it took us 3 years to do it, btw.


So FSG us to blame here, yeah? So let me ask you this, had we got a 4th choice CB, would that have prevented all the other CB’s from getting injured or lost fir the season the way they did? Would that have stopped all the other injuries to other players that contributed in crippling our title ambitions this season? Is it FSG’s that our main revenue streams (matchday receipts) dried up due the C.V.? Is FSG to blame for all of this?

There are no quick fixes here, bro. Football happened to us this season and we have to move on and get better. Stop blaming the owners for things like the C.V. that is out of their control. It is becoming a weak argument to make.


13.) 14 Mar 2021 22:07:13
Can the owner bashing stop. You know we broke the world record at the time for a keeper in Allison and defender in VVD. The owners have invested but what do you want them to do, spend as if they have the resources of the City owners. Its like you spending the money you earn from your job on a house, a car, supporting your family just general living expenses. The assets you own are of a good standard and importantly within your means in relation to the wage you receive. Now your significant other is constantly on your back complaining why they are not living in Chelsea, driving a Lamborghini and flying around in a private jet as opposed to a standard flight. You know how that sounds? Well, it sounds ungrateful and unappreciative and that’s how some of our fans come across at times. Are the owners perfect, no and have they made mistakes, yes but they have invested in this squad. Also it’s not as if they could have predicted this amount of injuries or the C. V. C.V. and it’s crippling impact on the finances.


14.) 14 Mar 2021 22:54:25
I don't understand "OP" so if someone could enlighten me. Overachieving. wasn't really the point I was making. By definition, it is to excel and beat the rest, to stand out and rise to the top. That's all I meant by that. I don't think we played above ourselves or exceeded expectations. We deserved all we got through hard work, coaching, recruitment, etc. So please take it easy on the overacheiving and thanks I'll take my licks for misquoting or misrepresenting what i meant. The owners have done an amazing job taking the club to where we should be. BUT, by not investing last summer in someone to replace Lovren I think that's hurt us big time. Oli, FSG to blame? Look we have suffered unprecedented injuries to our CBs. Matip and Gomez are injury prone and so to me we went into the season w 2 fit CBs: Virgil and Matip/ Gomez making 2 CBs for me not 3. Obviously Fab was the one they saw as 4th. City saw the diff Virgil made for us and recruited Diaz who's been a sensation and made all others around him better. No question about that. All teams have CV issues but Chelsea, Spurts, United, city all recruited. We did not. To stay ahead you have to adapt and we didn't do that this season due to injuries and recruitment (one CB) . So, not blaming the owners for CV but they should have bought a CB. Not spending 30m or so on one will cost the club massively is PL and CL revenue this season and next. So yes I blame the owners on that one and I'll bet Klopp does too. What's crippled our title ambitions this year is Klopp not trusting phillips since he came in against Newcastle and not playing Fab at 6. He hasn't put a foot wrong. Too much focus on a defense that isn't as bad as it's made out to be. We already look a different side w fab at 6.

{Ed0666's Note - try and use paragraphs please mate.


15.) 14 Mar 2021 23:01:35
OP original poster. got it.


16.) 14 Mar 2021 23:18:28
Oli, are receipts only down 10% or so for the year? Huge Nike deal etc so finances haven't been hit as hard as they could have been. So I'd suggest the argument for asking Klopp and the players to keep at it w less and maintain the standards set the last two seasons is definitely on the owners. We most likely lose top 4 this year now so what 50m for next season gone? How much lost this season for a lower league finish? Will our targets come this season if we not in the CL? CV isn't to blame for our league position. All teams are in the same boat.


17.) 14 Mar 2021 23:54:50
I despise all this talk of ‘it’s the owners fault’ and ‘our squad isn’t good enough’ it’s all rubbish. Our squad is absolutely fine and we have players that can fill in when others are injured or need a rest. We signed Jota for the front 3 positions, Thiago for midfield and Tsimikas to cover left back at a time when the owners were seriously concerned about their finances and that of the club. At the start of the season we were well stocked with decent players to cover every position.
As long as injuries remain at a normal level and you just have to bring in the squad players to cover for the odd game or a few weeks here and there and not too many of them at once we’d be fine and I’m sure still near City or probably ahead of them. Remember Barcelona with Origi and Shaq coming in for Salah and Bobby? It works as long as you don’t have to do it long term.
What you can’t plan for is ending up having to play 5 or 6 squad players for most of the season. We’ve actually gone beyond playing squad players and have resorted to U23 players and players we failed to get rid of in the summer! Klopp has also tried dismantling a midfield to cover the CB positions but then they have got injured too!
Even City couldn’t cope with the level of injuries we’ve had without having a significant drop off. You remember when they lost Laporte and their team fell apart?
If we somehow managed to get top 4 this season with a team patched together with kids, rejects and squad players then THAT would be over achieving.
We all know that with everyone fit and even a few squad players getting games here and there to cover for injuries and loss of form (which is what they are really there for) we are a match for anyone in the world.

{Ed0666's Note - I respect what you’re saying but my chagrin with the owners is that if we had an experienced or proper centre back ready to go on Jan 1st maybe we would have a few more points and in a proper race for top 4 and not hoping for the sides above us to slip up game after game. Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate.


18.) 15 Mar 2021 01:51:03
Remember that the owners are paying for the training ground and upgrade to Anfield. Stop bashing them. They invest in the squad. It is still possible to finish top 4 and win UCL.
Quit bitching.


19.) 15 Mar 2021 09:01:39
Reflyer, you fail to answer the questions I asked. Would buying a CB have prevented the injuries we had from happening? Also, you can try to slice and dice it as much as you want we did not have the money to spend as much as we wanted to this year esp. since we did not spend near any money the summer before, due to C. V and the impact it had on our finances. The way our club is run is no news to anyone paying attention to these things on here. This has been repeated ad nauseum so unless you are a new poster, you cannot claim ignorance about this so not arsed about the whole "receipts are 10% down" schstick.

Gate receipts are our principal revenue stream. That is a fact. So how can we be down 10% in gate receipts when there are NO fans in the stadium? Also, you do not know what Klopp was asked to do by the owners. That is just you projecting so I will dismiss your piece of info there as just you making stuff up based on the narrative you want to push. Yeah, we should have moved players out. Who was going to sign them with no money due to the C.V.? We were only able to sign players cos Wolves and Bayern agreed to our structured payment terms. W/ O that, they would not be here and then, you would really have lost your marbles had that happened.

City with all their money could not survive ONE CB being out for half a season YET you are trying to blame FSG for not being Nostradamus regarding the level of injuries/ foreknowledge of the C.V. and for not having deep pockets like you know, City do. Dias and Carlos (Klopp's choice) cost 65m so how were we supposed to afford that with NO funds? This is the height of intellectual dishonesty, IMO.

For the upteenth time, the FSG bashing is nothing but a weak, tired attempt to assign blame for a situation that NOBODY could have planned for ahead of time (C. V and the insane injury crisis) . As Ed01 put it, this a likeable to having a natural disaster. No matter how yo plan for it, if it comes heavier than anticipated, it will look like you did not have a plan coming in. That is what happened here. Your scapegoating and blame-shifting is just a weak attemt to pin this season on someone. Weak, as hell.


20.) 15 Mar 2021 11:03:42
You do know that Liverpool, Klopp and the owners pushed for CB this last summer but the targets we wanted were not available. And for all we know during klopps time he doesn't fancy buying for the sake of buying unless it's one of his targets. We've seen that not once or twice. So you saying it's on the owners for not trying is completely wrong. We needed a class front 3 cover we've got Jota, we needed a lb cover we've got Tsimikas, we needed a class playmaker and got Thiago, we needed a CB cover no-one of our targets were made available so we passed on and probably the idea was to go for it again in the summer. Pitty 3 of our starting cbs got season ending injuries 2 of wich early on in the season. Did you expect that to happen? I clearly didn't, neither Klopp and the staff I am sure about that. All this moaning is unnecessary, especially now. People must of forgotten what YNWA means. Klopp and FSG has done an amazing amazing job and whoever says differently, sadly, is not a fan but a glory hunter or whatever.


21.) 15 Mar 2021 15:22:48
Oli, had a busy weekend and now back to work. I didn't anticipate such a response lol. Injuries: unprecedented and I don't know how they could have been avoided whether we signed one or not. Most teams competing for the top would have addressed it Jan 1 if not beginning of the season knowing Matip and Gomez don't have a good history of staying fit. The owners have done an amazing job that's not a debate, but to stay at the top they should have lined someone up Jan 1 not 31. We were top of the league the week before. I like the model we have ie not throwing money around like some teams but c'mon the CB issue is a massive one that needed solving. Not trying to have a moan just a debate. Opinions are like backsides we all have one. As for YNWA, I've been watching Liverpool play since the 70s.


 

 

10 Nov 2017 15:15:24
I️ thought Klopp's comments a month or so ago that Can and Coutinho were being professional and getting on w their football were naive.

He said "We, as a club, have to give everything until the players give me a sign that they are somewhere else, " said Klopp. "So far there is not a shadow of a doubt that he's not 100 per cent here. "

That was about Can specifically but coutinho was mentioned also in the article. I️ just thought Barcelona would b all over a comment like that and get in coutinhos ear even more hence the "injury" he has now. Hoping psg come in w an offer Barcelona can't match.

Redflyer

1.) 10 Nov 2017 15:35:46
Coutinho wants barce so it doesn't matter what psg offer if they where to come in with a bid.


2.) 10 Nov 2017 15:40:58
Well like you said Klopp was talking about Can, Coutinho had nothing to do with it. Do you suggest Klopp stops talking entirely about anybody or anything just in case someone decides to write an article about Coutinho?


3.) 10 Nov 2017 17:56:30
Cou wants to go to Barcelona and that is the fact, regardless of who said what.


4.) 10 Nov 2017 22:13:37
I thought he wanted to play with Neymar?


5.) 11 Nov 2017 09:04:34
Barca hasn't got long left at the top. Soon as Messi gets old they'll slip out of the elite in my opinion.


6.) 11 Nov 2017 10:10:44
Redflyers i think you have to learn to take what managers say with a pinch of salt, I like Klopp and Im not saying he was lying but most if not all managers just deflect from main issues and don't tell 100% of the truth, like they ain't going to come out and say "I think he's a rat or id like to throw him in the Mersey", no manager wants to broadcast the inner workings.


 

 

24 Aug 2017 19:37:09
First post. been reading on here for a while and thought I'd jump in. Bought the Coutinho shirt at Anfield for my boy and was desperate to see him stay. After the way he's disrespected the club, he's not fit to wear the shirt. Take the money.

Redflyer

1.) 24 Aug 2017 19:48:12
Never buy a shirt with a name on mate.
You could probably get one with TAA on though, that lads going to be here a while.


2.) 24 Aug 2017 20:02:46
If this guy prepared too give a public statement sayin why he wants too leave liverpool in my eyes he an embarrassment an has no respect for club an teammates am especially fans, if he would ov got his head down played been professional we might had more respect for him, I personally want the dough I can see him bein a parasite moping round wid a titty lip.


3.) 24 Aug 2017 20:10:23
Real, Barcelona and Bayern along with PSG and the english rich boys will try to turn his head in a couple of years time if he keeps developing.


4.) 24 Aug 2017 20:16:04
Bought the Bobby Firmino shirt last year solely because I believed Coutinho would move in the next two windows. I was wrong. and then this summer happened, and it looks obvious he will be gone before too long, so I feel I made an excellent choice long term! That said, he has played well in his time with the club and there was never a negative peep heard before "Barca told me to email you" and "my back is sick" scenarios, so I can't say I won't wish him well when he goes. Of course, while we're on the subject of new uniforms, you must remember -- Liverpool changes their kits every season anyway so you could have got one that said Trent Alexander Arnold rookie jersey but it might say Carlsberg on it in 2025 when he's club captain!


5.) 24 Aug 2017 20:26:04
Tour guide said "you're safe no way he's leaving" 🙄.


6.) 24 Aug 2017 20:47:34
Next time get a shirt with the name Dalglish - he is a living legend for us.


7.) 24 Aug 2017 21:59:13
Defo go for TAA
Cheap printing.


8.) 25 Aug 2017 17:28:34
My son had torres, carroll and suarez on his shirts, so gave up. didn't bother with names on next two then this shirt was going to get couts on, but decided on mane so maybe he'll stay! .


 

 

 

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15 Apr 2021 17:13:43
Kman, Sadio will be grateful to you I'm sure.

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13 Apr 2021 02:03:53
Can't Konate play right back? Move Trent into the middle?

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08 Apr 2021 00:20:27
Well hopefully we can move him on. Sometimes in life it's better to take what you can get when you can get it instead of it becoming worthless ie Gini Can. Cash in and move on. With valuations being down ala C.V. surely that works both ways. Or send him out on loan and get his wages paid.

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07 Apr 2021 17:33:40
Where has it gone wrong w Keita? Clearly Klopp was disappointed w him too yesterday but any reasons why he's failed to deliver so spectacularly? I remember the euphoria when we signed him a year early. And to think he's wearing number 8 to boot.

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{Ed002's Note - I think it was a huge mistake buying him - whilst his form had been great he had caused significant issues for his club and in the final year - many further issues. He has had language issues in England although he now has a full Work Permit. He is doing nothing to justify his move since joining Liverpool. I am sure the club have done what they can but it doesn't look like there is going to be a step change and I would say time has come.}


 

 

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14 Mar 2021 16:17:58
Surely most targets have come down in price in light of the post CV market. we could have offloaded a few last season and bought a proper CB instead of playing fab out of position and hurting the team. Origi is a 10m player tops.

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15 Apr 2021 19:37:29
True. But some hidden potential for sure. Will he accept 2 pints of lager and a bag of cheese and onion in lieu of compensation?

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15 Apr 2021 18:57:39
I was actually referring to Ralf Little. Think he's the missing link.

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{Ed001's Note - he's not a bad player to be fair. Can be one lazy get at times though!}


 

 

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15 Apr 2021 18:44:45
Ha. Doesn't RL play as a traditional 9? I'm just asking how he fits in here. I don't claim (and i'm sure it's apparent! ) to be a tactician. Again i've been massively disappointed w him. Thought he'd take us to another level. Hasn't happened.

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{Ed077's Note - RL? Do you mean Romelu Lukaku??}


 

 

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15 Apr 2021 18:22:48
Park him just in front of Fab in a 4-2-3-1? i think Bayern did something similar last season. Is there room for him and Bobby in the same team w the way Bobby drops off or do we need a traditional 9?

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{Ed077's Note - you mean like Thiago and Muller did for Bayern?}


 

 

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15 Apr 2021 17:28:47
Speaking of Thiago, Ed commented he's not being used correctly. what's his position and can we play w him in the team? I'm far from convinced by him as is Klopp it would seem with his lack of starts.

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{Ed001's Note - of course we can play with him in the team, we have done very well too. He is a playmaker, you put him in the centre and build around him.}