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22 May 2022 22:02:06
Looks like tchouameni is joining Madrid, we seem to have been scouting sangare of eindhoven, he looks a unit of a man and going by clips looks great but does anyone know how good this guy really is?


1.) 22 May 2022 22:44:58
Think we will be linked with just about everyone lol, whoever we sign we usually get it right :)

Not seen much of him tbf only bits, like gakpo big fast and physical.


2.) 23 May 2022 09:29:37
Hailstones check a Tifo video on the player. He looks to be a very good fit for us.
Shame re Tchouameni, but few players would choose anyone else over Madrid.
Our MF needs some work due to injury proneness, inconsistent form and age.


3.) 23 May 2022 10:41:11
He’s a big unit but his first touch is a bit of a shocker. He’s as likely to give the ball away as he is win it back. To me he has that same awkwardness in possession that Djimi Traore and Mahmadou Sakho had. The only similarities between him and Tchouameni is they have similar stats for tackling and interceptions (as stats are the in thing now) .

We should have moved quicker on Tchouameni while Madrid were being led a merry dance by Mbappe, we’ve missed out on a genuine top class midfielder who would have immediately improved our starting 11 and given us some security when fab is not available.


4.) 23 May 2022 11:48:29
I have watched long youtube clips of him but they only show his strengths, i wondered if anyone knew how consistent he is week in week out and how important he is to the team . It seems his passing tackling heading defensive duties and certainly physicality is on point. Sometimes players from french and dutch league can look deceptively good because of the level of opposition.

{Ed002's Note - He is very good hence the interest of so many leading sides.}


5.) 23 May 2022 12:09:10
VVVV, i watched Tchouameni for the first time against RC Lens the other day and he did not look like he'd immediately improve us, albeit one game is a tiny sample size. Passing was average, his crosses were over hit, when he tried to play a through ball he got it wrong most times, he fell over to gift Lens a golden chance, twice a player ghosted past him without him making a challenge, he blazed a shot a mile off target, and to cap it off he lost his man on a set piece for Lens to equalise in added time.

I'll give him his dues, he did make a lot of interceptions and he was very good at pressuring players into mistakes in their own 3rd. He did also get up and down the pitch well often popping up in both boxes.

I won't write him off as a player from 90 minutes, but from what i did see he'd need to improve massively on that performance to get near our best XI.


6.) 23 May 2022 13:16:47
May not be relevant here, but multiple media (via Google! ) suggesting that Tchouameni has agreed terms with both Madrid AND us.

{Ed0666's Note - I would have thought that his desire to join Madrid and Madrid losing out on Mbappe would put Madrid in pole position to sign him but hopefully I’m wrong.


7.) 23 May 2022 13:40:31
If he chooses Real after Klopp's pitch to him then his love for Real will be strong and there's not much else you can do really. We'd just have to move to the next target on the list.

Not a big fan of Sangare. Don't think he's technical enough to be much more than cover.

Wonder whether Agibou Camara is still of interest. Not a like for like physically but boy can the kid press and tackle.


8.) 23 May 2022 13:26:58
Fair point Ed0666, but the big boned lady is only just warming up until we get a formal announcement! Need a I mention Diaz ;-)

{Ed0666's Note - I agree maybe Jurgen can dust off some old VHS recordings of Brookside and see if a Jimmy Corkhill montage can persuade him to put pen to paper?


 

 

19 Feb 2022 00:09:42
Heavily linked with Anthony of ajax complete baller in the Dutch league but untested elsewhere. Personally I think he looks suarez levels and is completely worth it at 30 million would evolve our squad to levels we haven't witnessed its possible as mane, taki, ox, origi could move on and its looking more likely salah will play out his contract or be sold .


1.) 19 Feb 2022 10:52:51
Would he be a Salah replacement? Haven't seen much of him but for some reason I've it in my head he's a left footer who plays on the right.


2.) 19 Feb 2022 20:08:56
Yes mane he is exactly that but can play either side and in midfield . The South American connection would really be taking shape .

{Ed0666's Note - that was some finish from mane today wow


3.) 19 Feb 2022 21:33:52
Thanks Hailstones 👍.


4.) 19 Feb 2022 23:49:52
Yes ed 0666 mane's goal was delicious, I think he plays centre forward for senegal very well an in bobby an jotas absence mane could evolve into that position he can hold the ball up well and harass.

{Ed0666's Note - he was interchanging with Diaz today which I was happy about also


5.) 20 Feb 2022 08:48:49
Ed0666 I said before I see the team yesterday I wanted to see Diaz Mane and Salah start to see how they play together and a goal each speaks for its self.
The interchanging from them 3 will be a total nightmare to play against because all 3 are so dangerous from all 3 positions I think that is are best front 3 as it stands and with all the goals Jota has got this season he can count himself unlucky but he does not link up as good as them 3.

{Ed0666's Note - I have no problems with mane taking Bobby’s place because him my opinion he’s will do a better job there than he would on the left. And that’s taking nothing away from Bobby who has been a lion for us but he’s more like a cat at the moment. There’s no doubts about Salah who I’ve run out of superlatives for. The man is just a genius and gives me more pleasure than any other footballer I’ve ever seen (apart from maybe the king, Digger Barnes, Bobby Baggio & Zizou) but Diaz is the one that may just well be the new Anfield Idol for years to come. He’s fit in seamlessly and I’d like to see those three play more together and Jota to be first sub. Maybe this will give Mane a new lease of life also? It would be remiss of me not to say at this juncture the construction of all three goals was simply breathtaking!


6.) 20 Feb 2022 12:11:02
It would be difficult to bench Jota the rate he's recently scoring at.


7.) 20 Feb 2022 16:25:31
Great players on a certain wavelength (world class) can play together and diaz has given us a spark of excitement and reinvigorated our squad . Bobby can still be an important squad player if he sticks around .


8.) 20 Feb 2022 17:12:41
Jota gets way too much disrespect. He’s second top scorer in the league. Think of the players he’s above, Kane Ronaldo Son Mane Sterling Fernandes Vardy Bowen…
IMO Diogo is undroppable in current form.

{Ed0666's Note - I’m one of his biggest detractors and I’m owning the criticism. If Mane plays well in the middle he’ll have an issue deposing him because Diaz is doing exactly what Jota should be doing and putting the ball in the net. Saying that I’m ecstatic we have a guy that knows how to put the ball in the net like Jota to call upon.


9.) 20 Feb 2022 19:34:10
Thing is LiverpoolFC8 Jota is now currently injured and the 3 in possession scored yesterday. We now have what we've always wanted super back up, no scratch that super options. 5 solid options for 3 places.


10.) 20 Feb 2022 20:51:39
Think mane will leave coz can't see Jota being dropped if he keeps on scoring goals.

Player of that Calibre who has potential to fight for golden boot will never accept to sit on the bench. Unless he's scoring rate takes a huge hit.


11.) 20 Feb 2022 21:28:38
Jota is not aesthetically pleasing on the eye, whereas diaz is technically gifted and flows past people for fun, but as we all know jota is deadly which is perfect for us . I agree if mane could evolve into a striker it could give him a fresh chapter in his liverpool career .


12.) 20 Feb 2022 21:37:06
Hailstones mate even if mane evolves as a striker whom will he displace? Like jota can't see him accepting to play 2nd fiddle.


13.) 21 Feb 2022 05:31:51
The fact that we have an abundance of riches upfront now should be seen as a real positive. I think jota has been great and I can’t see us getting rid of him when he is viable goal threat upfront. The same applies to mane, of course salah, and now Diaz. If you add in firmino, that’s some considerable options we have. I think it allows us to be able to be more tactical upfront. I don’t see jota leaving because he’s young and has so much potential to be better than he is already, but I can see at least one of mane, firmino and salah leaving. With mane and firmino, it will boil down to game time and age (they aren’t getting any younger) . With salah, whilst he is the same age as mane and firmino, I can see him still banging in 20+ goals for another 2/ 3 seasons at least (something I don’t think you are going to get from mane and especially firmino), so for him it will be money (because it doesn’t look like his contract issue is being resolved any time soon, although let’s hope it is as I would prefer to keep him as he is truly world class) . I have not mentioned the more peripheral players like minamino and origi only because they aren’t really in the same league as the players already mentioned, and I think we will try to sell them in the summer anyway.


14.) 21 Feb 2022 06:43:28
I’d expect us to want more than three attackers over the course of a season - in no particular order Salah, Mane, Jora, Diaz and Firmino being on the books next season wouldn’t be the worst thing that could happen.


15.) 21 Feb 2022 08:26:22
Why would you not want any of Bobby, Sadio, or Diogo coming off the bench over, oh let's say Divock (even though he deserves a statue), Kaide (though I think he will be mega in a few years when the time comes) or more to the point anyone we'd have to buy in for depth?

I know wages are a factor but you'd hope we keep these players on the books.


16.) 21 Feb 2022 08:50:13
WDW agreed and if we win trophies and rotate they will be happy enough for now.


17.) 21 Feb 2022 09:56:56
Yes in an ideal world we would want all to stay forget abt wages for a second and ask yourself.

Why would Jota who's 2nd top scorer in the league and a potential golden boot winner will accept to sit on the bench or play second fiddle?

Why would Mane who gets made when substituted will accept to sit on the bench and play 2nd fiddle at this stage of he's career?

Think only Bobby would be happy coming from the bench can't see Jota or Mane accepting that role.


18.) 21 Feb 2022 14:06:13
There are 2 reasons a player will stay even if they are rotated regularly.
1. Money
2. Trophies

Anybody here think Mahrez or Sterling like being benched when they could walk into any team in England other than Liverpool? They tolerate being subbed on or off, because they've won several medals in their time at City.

We should strive for those levels of competition. It's the only way to challenge on 4 fronts. Having said that, i think age should be considered and Mane or Firmino should move on to make way for a player with a part to play in the long term ambitions of the club. Maybe it's Gordon or maybe we dip into the market. But having 3 forwards in their 30's next year would be irresponsible financially in my opinion.


19.) 22 Feb 2022 07:02:18
@Kopforever, I understand the drawbacks for players who want to be a starter who aren’t starting but when was the last time we had all of our squad fit and ready to go? At the moment, as an example, Bobby and Diogo aren’t fit. Before that (admittedly for a variety is f reasons) Bobby, Mo and Sadio weren’t available. I’d imagine it would be pretty rare for all five to remain fully fit / available for an extended period of time and, God forbid they do all remain fit it is probably a burden O could live with as a fan.


20.) 22 Feb 2022 20:30:03
Yes but Klopp won't take a risk thinking they might no be available at the same time. Coz even if 4 of them are available can be a problem coz Jota Salah and Mane are starters unless Diaz is happy to operate from the bench majority of the games. There's a reason mane was straight out in 1st 11 after returning from AFCON coz him and Salah don't like to sit on the bench and then you've jota who's scoring rate is unbelievable and a potential golden boot winner.


 

 

29 Aug 2021 16:46:37
I have been moaning about a different option up front and that guy awoniyi has scored again today for Berlin, I would rather of kept him for a different option up front than origi who is done .
That guy was a unit strong quick an looks to be scoring bummer!


1.) 29 Aug 2021 17:16:08
Think there was an issue with a work permit for him.


2.) 29 Aug 2021 19:17:26
Hindsight gives you 20-20 vision after a couple of games.


3.) 29 Aug 2021 23:51:02
Origi should have been moved on many seasons ago. He is a nice fella but they don't win you games when you need someone to come on and score!


4.) 30 Aug 2021 08:08:19
And how can the club force a player to move on Baz when he has refused to move? To see it from Origi's side - he gets on relatively well with everyone in the team and thinks of Liverpool as home but the only bids that came in for him were from clubs and places he did not want to go to. It is well documented from June 2020.


5.) 30 Aug 2021 08:10:58
Also, Minamino was meant to be the person that could come on and score but for various reasons that did not work out as yet.


6.) 30 Aug 2021 12:28:53
So Awoniyi was supposed to be our saviour now in hindsight, as usual. The kid never played a single game for us, not even in the reserves YET he was supposed to be kept cos he scored a goal for a bottom feeder club in Germany. Yep, I think we now have Michael Edwards’ replacement right here on this forum. Brilliant.


 

 

23 Aug 2021 12:58:52
If indeed we are looking to buy an attacker why are we not looking at joaqin correa he is available can play anywhere along the front line, whilst being tall he is quick holds the ball up and likes to take defenders on, I think if he comes to prem he will thrive in the same way Raul jiminez has as they are similar .

{Ed025's Note - he is bound for either Athletico, Spurs or Everton mate..


1.) 23 Aug 2021 15:27:43
He has only managed 30 goals in 117 games in a good Lazio team in a poor division outside maybe 3 clubs so I wouldn't want to gamble on a player of those returns to be honest. He may come good but I wouldn't take the risk hard pass.


 

 

03 May 2021 20:32:06
Ello eds, is andre silva someone we would be looking at, very impressive goal rate in Germany also he is jotas brother which would help if we wanted him .


1.) 03 May 2021 21:18:32
That’s not his brother.


2.) 03 May 2021 22:21:15
Diego Jota does have a brother named Andre Silva, but not the striker you are thinking about. Coincidence that they share the name and both are Portuguese.


3.) 03 May 2021 22:38:33
Sorry guys I didn't realise that 😅, I was thinking we had 2 feet in the door to signing him then .


4.) 04 May 2021 09:38:32
Silva looks to be available for a decent price but I would worry a little looking at his record in Italy and Spain.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has no interest.}


 

 

 

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25 May 2022 23:48:38
Mane is playing his best football as a striker at present so if he is to leave we need to buy a proper striker and seeing as origi is leaving a natural number 9 would be welcome .
I think we should go for darwin nunez same kind of attributes as origi but lethal, goal hungry and can play in wide attacking positions. I hope the interest I read from us is genuine .


1.) 26 May 2022 00:39:36
Can’t see us getting nunez tbh with Madrid sniffing around him at the same time. it will almost definitely come down to who offers him more wages.


 

 

07 May 2022 23:33:29
Can't help but notice since Afcon mo has lost his deadly instincts and world class form . He was on absolute smoke before he left now looks to have dropped a few levels. Could even be his mind might be set on a move in the summer either way we love him but he ain't firing on all cylinders.


1.) 08 May 2022 00:45:06
Think teams set up to limit salah and in turn allows diaz the space maybe.

Just seems them half chances that he would score dried up a little, still hugely important, but just something missing.
Add that maybe due to his contract situation and the press/ agent/ club, everyone is looking more.

If rumours are true and not vindiacting they are when you want huge money and rumours say you do, then games like today and finals etc you need to perform or pressure builds.

Alot to put on him and not his fault but me personally I feel if you want 400k then you need to turn up and win a game like today.

Completely the wrong attitude and he has done this previous but now in the limelight it makes me think he should single handily win games, which is stupid but It's how this works these days.

Press media and agents, expectations is how modern day football is, if you want more than anyone else then you should do more.

Again poor attitude from a fan, and could be way off the mark.


2.) 08 May 2022 01:45:26
I get were you are coming from obviously and deservedly he shot himself up too best player in the world standards and wants a contract too mirror the standards set but I agree the big players win games single handedly or perform to that level and do it consistently. Ed 02 has said for a long time salahs agent has been laughed out of town by major clubs with his demands practically as soon as he arrived he has been hawked around pastures new .


 

 

25 Mar 2022 11:10:43
It looks very likely salah will leave this summer as bids should prove attractive to our owners and mo might just jump, but who is replacing him?
Never misses games
Ultra professional
Assists
Goals
World class
Popular with teammates.
I hope we know what we are doing because its hard to replicate what salah brings.


1.) 25 Mar 2022 11:56:22
At the moment our team is pretty much built around Salah. He has the least defensive responsibility and we always work it to him hence why he's had about 120 shots this season. About 5 per 90 in fact.

If Salah goes we should replace him in my opinion with Bowen and a front 3 of Diaz, Jota/ Mane and Bowen is a lot more equal in terms of quality so rather than everything being set up around Bowen you'd probably see a more varied attacking approach. Bowen suits our style of play and he has goals and assists in his locker.

Highly likely we still score less goals because Salah is the best player in the world right now but we'd still have enough quality to score against anyone and we'd have to think about how we can improve elsewhere.

What becomes more important for me is controlling the midfield. At the moment Salah can bail us out in games where the midfield is struggling. Fabinho and Thiago are quality but Hendo is clearly in decline and nobody else is at that level yet. So when Thiago can't play (which was always going to be about a third of the season) Fabinho is carrying us. It's so vital we improve the midfield if Salah goes. I'd like Rice or Ward-Prowse because i think we need a leader with the right mentality. Bissouma and Sanches come with baggage.


2.) 25 Mar 2022 12:09:32
You cant, him and mbappe are ahead of every1 else in them wide positions. Personally i haven't given up hope of him staying but if he does go it'll just be a case of like when Coutinho left. losing in one position but strenghtening in others. Maybe if were left slightly weaker on the right but strenghten the midfield the team can function just as well.


3.) 25 Mar 2022 12:21:51
Every single day there's a post about the possibility of Salah leaving and whos going to replace him. Its getting monotonous.


4.) 25 Mar 2022 12:49:40
IDreamOfGin - I don't want guitar lessons.


5.) 25 Mar 2022 12:53:08
At the end of the day the club has an asset worth tens of millions of pounds that, in fifteen months time, without a contract renewal, achieves a value of zero.

The club will do what any other business would do in these circumstances and take action to get the maximum return.


6.) 25 Mar 2022 13:02:41
I thought it was decided on here the other week that Salah is over the hill and we’ll be fine without him.


7.) 25 Mar 2022 13:03:58
Better players, and better value, than Bowen out there imo.


8.) 25 Mar 2022 13:08:43
The Salah situated is quite clear. If he wants to stay and if the club really want him to stay a deal will be struck. If either party wants out a deal won't be struck and he will almost certainly leave at the end of his contract. The club won't be able to sell him at the end of this season if he doesn't want to go.


9.) 25 Mar 2022 14:09:48
For me, although probably Barcelona bound it would be rapping, but the midfield is where we need for focus our attention on, salah does a lot of cover in that midfield, lose him yoire losing a player who plays 2 positions, as well as scoring a stupid amount of goals, sort the midfield out and you can replace salah with a quality addition, never going to be better straight away.


10.) 25 Mar 2022 14:18:59
Raphina*.


11.) 25 Mar 2022 14:37:26
If Salah leaves, that’s a minimum 30 goals we need to find from somewhere every season in goals and assists as he is that consistent and brilliant, and whatever fee we get for him won’t be enough afford an adequate replacement or enable a squad upgrade like we did with Coutinho’s fee (who we could afford to let go as he really wasn’t that important in the scheme of things) as we probably aren’t going to see much more than £50-60m as he’s knocking 30 with a year left on his contract, this is entirely different from the Coutinho situation because of how important Salah is to how we function and how desperate Barcelona were to spend money stupidly. I don’t see who we can afford to replace what he brings to the side?

As for midfield reinforcements, we definitely need to do something this summer, but we shouldn’t look at either Sanches or Ward Prowse if it’s all the same, Sanches is an over rated sick note with zero tactical acumen and Ward Prowse can only hit a dead ball but not much else. We can’t afford Rice (West Ham don’t need to sell) and Bissouma (although very good) is allegedly currently having his collar felt by the bizzies.

Add to that the fact that Mane (& Firmino too, I think? ) will also be entering their last 12 months of their contracts from this summer and it’s far from an ideal situation.


12.) 25 Mar 2022 14:56:50
Why not build the team around Diaz like we have around Salah. I’ve no idea how much Bowen is but he won’t be cheap. The idea of buying him would all depend on the price!


13.) 25 Mar 2022 15:01:56
What any decent business would do is pay the man accordingly because others will, we're one of the biggest clubs in the world and are sending a message that we can't afford to keep works class players. The man is never injured, guarantees yo 30 goals a season and numerous assists, not to mention the money he brings in in merchandise sales etc. And anyone who thinks Bowen is going to replace that give your heads a good wobble.


14.) 25 Mar 2022 15:49:45
To suggest our team is built around Salah would mean we are almost a one man team. Salah is world class and arguably the best player in the world this season. But our attacks come from both sides and through the middle hence why Trent and Robbo are 1 and 2 for assists and Jota and Mane are 2 and 3 for goals scored.

Last time our team was built around 1 player was Suarez. Now we have world class and top class players in every position in the starting 11.

And if I am wrong and we are built around Salah then we are in more trouble than I first thought if he does move on in the summer.


15.) 25 Mar 2022 16:47:11
Agree with Port 100%! and a good point on the merchandise, Salah is one of the biggest and well known faces in world football. Fans are forgetting the money he helps bring into the club.


16.) 25 Mar 2022 18:20:48
And when you look at the Nike deal where we now get 20% of sales and a smaller amount up front then that fact is even more relevant here. I know loads of friends who support utd and their kids all now want Liverpool jerseys purely because of salah. A deal has to be done or fsg are seriously lacking ambition and God help us when klopp leaves.


17.) 25 Mar 2022 18:59:58
I agree MK. Rice would be a great transition from Hendo. But one must think, is the rice price right? 🦵💪.


18.) 25 Mar 2022 19:24:23
Didn’t want to post but I simply couldn’t control myself on this one. James Ward Whatever to control our midfield 😆😆😆😆😆😆. MK and his obsession on British players are no surprise.
Although I absolutely love Rice he will cost a mountain and how can we afford him when we couldn’t keep Salah 😆😆😆😆😆.

You know, the onus is on us or precisely Mr. Edwards. Overstocked the left with Options in Mane / Diaz and Jota and completely neglected the right as we thought Salah would bend and sign an extension. 😂😂😂😂.

Jarrod Bowen scoring 30 goals 😂😂😂.

In regards to a replacement, Nobody is replacing Salah and his numbers. Dembele when fit is the closest right winger we have in Europe. Every other is a gamble including him and that’s on us not planning it in well advance.

Cheers.


19.) 25 Mar 2022 19:29:06
Oh man. ! Give it a break for a while. Talk about something else.


20.) 25 Mar 2022 19:36:53
I still wonder what possesses people to take time to log onto a fans opinion forum and moan that people are posting opinions.


21.) 25 Mar 2022 19:58:31
Salah will be going sooner or later. And we won't be spending hundreds of millions on the latest English flavour of the month to replace him. We didn't break the bank to sign Salah himself, Firmino, Mane, Jota or Diaz. There's a definite trend there that gets overlooked because fans want to see big numbers spent.
That's not the FSG way, and it depends on the individual's perspective as to whether that's a good thing or a bad thing.


22.) 25 Mar 2022 20:05:46
People deal in absolutes too much. Salah's replacement doesn't need to score 30 goals a season a season. The whole team has to pick up the slack. 5 of Salah's 20 were penalties so there is 5 more Fabinho would need to pick up. Then the other 20 or so a season would need to be covered by his replacement and Mane/ Jota/ Diaz giving us more. Bowen in my opinion won't give you 40-50 goals/ assists a season like Mo. But he is well capable of 20 goals and 10 assists. Might even hit that this season in West Hams team. Everyone has to step up. When City lost Aguero they didn't sign a 25 goal striker and yet they're still favourites for the PL and CL and scoring 5, 6 or 7 goals in some games.

Also never said we were a one man team but it's pure blind ignorance to not acknowledge that Salah is the player left highest up the pitch in most open play situations, and the only one waiting outside our box to break on defending corners. He is given every penalty. And although we do attack down the left and central, far more of the attacks end with Salah. He's had more shots than any other player in the league so this isn't opinion, it is fact. We're not a one man team just because Salah is our main attacking outlet and it's common sense we'd set up to have the best attacker in the world as close to the goal as possible. Christ, this isn't hard to grasp or new knowledge.

As for Ward-Prowse only being good at dead balls, i mean tell me you only watch match of the day without telling me. His work rate box to box is exceptional. He was the best player on the pitch by a mile when Saints drew 1-1 with Man City and he gives you that same application every week for 90 minutes without ever needing a rest. It's not about him being English. He's a good leader and a good player who will play 38 league games a season every season. You need good characters/ professionals. I'd prefer Rice anyway for the record but Ward-Prowse is a very good player with or without his set pieces. I don't care about nationality and it's pure coincidence the 3 options i listed were English.


23.) 25 Mar 2022 20:41:54
So when Salah is left highest up the pitch is our defensive pattern still based around Salah then?

Love it when people spout the nonsense it’s not opinion it’s fact. Some actually believe they are better fans than the rest.


24.) 26 Mar 2022 00:34:23
JK23, look at the average position taken up by players and you'll see that it does affect defensive shape actually. Salah is always the furthest forward but you often see the midfield is slightly offset to the right side. That is not my opinion if there is tangible evidence. I'm not saying i'm a better fan than you at all, just as i didn't say we're a one man team. You seem more interested in paraphrasing and mis-quoting me than you do in constructing a counter argument that the way we set up results in more chances for Salah than other players. This is the same in nearly every team. All teams set up to benefit their best players. Kane has most shots for Tottenham, Ronaldo for United, Raphinha for Leeds, Saka for Arsenal etc.

It's about what is best for the team so any good manager puts their best goalscorer in as many shooting situations as possible. Why would we leave Mane on the last man and ask Salah to defend the front post on corners? It's not a slight against Salah to point out that we give him more freedom and more of the ball than we give to the other forwards. Salah has had 115 shots and Mane has had 81. Jota just 65. I'm not making this up as I go along. Salah plays closer to the goal and he's normally left on the pitch for longer and thus he has more shots than others. That's just good management from Klopp to build around Salah because he does so much good with the ball. Those 115 attacks which ended with Salah shooting wouldn't all just cease to happen. Some might as Salah often works his own space to shoot very well. But most would just end with someone else shooting and not necessarily the player in Salah's place either. So it's down to the whole team to cover the loss of Salah's goals, not just his replacement.

I honestly don't understand how anyone can dispute this if they watch Liverpool. It wasn't even a controversial statement. " : football team sets up around their star player. Stay tuned for Life Guard gets wet"


25.) 26 Mar 2022 06:00:35
You did convince the same posters on how Lallana and Dany ings would easily replace Suarez’s goals and assists. So I ain’t biting your theory this time.
It doesn’t happen overnight.
Salah also brings many aspect to his game than just goals. He draws atleast 3 defenders to him and always keep the opposition in their toes.
Plus klopp has only two years left on his contract and not enough time to build a team over another potential gamble.


26.) 26 Mar 2022 08:57:18
I suppose in life there’s certain people you can’t debate with.

Not because they are right. It’s more because they always believe they’re right and refuse to let anyone else dare have an opinion. Lesson learned there.


27.) 26 Mar 2022 09:34:07
I would have no issue with Bowen replacing Salah but the set up of the team would need to change. At present we are overly reliant on the pure class of our forwards to win games. Players like Bowen especially excel when properly supported and played through by an offensive midfield. I believe our midfield is capable and moving more in that direction with recruitment of Thiago, development of Curtis and Harvey plus looking to purchase Carvalho. Future looks bright with or without Salah in my book.


28.) 26 Mar 2022 10:22:44
I really don't think this team is built around Salah. I think it's a perfect storm of how we set-up and his skillset coming together. The idea that we have to replace his 30 goals is just small minded too. it's like the whole thing from the 2000-2010s where fans were salivating for a 20-goal striker. Meanwhile Torres and Suarez brought us what exactly!? anyways, the team identity and core is built to move on post-Salah and in some ways I am kind of looking forward to it so we can who is next and also others step up. I'd really like to see mane come back to the right, Diaz on left and Bobby/ Jota up front. i don't see that group being any less effective for the team without Salah's name in there.


29.) 26 Mar 2022 10:32:40
Salah isn't the future even if he signing in 2-3 yrs will need to replace him.

Can we replace Salah directly? Of course not not only Salah even Fermino, Mane can't be replaced directly but we can always tweak lil bit here and there and still be effective as much as we are now or even go one or two level up.


30.) 26 Mar 2022 11:14:39
JK23, maybe if you had given an opinion i'd consider it, but you haven't since your 1st reply. You've just made childish snide remarks about my opinion. Whatever terminology you want to use is fine but we clearly set up to have Salah closest to goal. I termed that as having the team "pretty much built around Salah", others would not term it that way. Faithinworks just demonstrated perfectly how to disagree by giving an alternative opinion without just being a troll and i have absolutely no issue with that. He thinks it's a perfect combination of the system just suiting Salah and i'm cool with that. If you disagree with me whatever mate, and i respect your right to do so. You're putting words in my mouth to paint me as something i'm not, essentially targeting me and not my opinion. It's very on brand for this site but not seen this kind of behaviour from you until the Salah contract debate started and now all you do is mock anyone who isn't terrified of losing Salah, or who tries to brainstorm solutions Klopp may find. The only thing subjective about what i said is the terminology i led with because it is just an undeniable fact that Salah plays more minutes than others, closer to the goal, and takes more shots than anyone else 🤷🏻‍♂️ if you don't perceive that as 'building the team around him' that is still absolutely fine and I have no issues with it, so stop trying to paint me black please 🙏🏻

Harry/ TT, i never once said Ings and Lallana would replace Suarez's goals. Yes, I thought the goals would be shared around the rest of the team but I didn't expect Sturridge/ Ings to completely break down physically, Ibe to fall apart with his mental health, Markovic/ Balotelli/ Benteke/ Lambert to completely flop, and Sterling to force an exit. We didn't just lose Suarez did we. We lost our entire attack three in 2 years because Sturridge was never the same and Rodgers got every transfer wrong. We ended up with Coutinho carrying us on his back for 2 years until Klopp got Firmino and Lallana playing well. This current team is different though. We have good players in every position and we don't have Aspas and Borini on the bench, we have Firmino and Diaz. We don't have Rodgers picking the players, we have Klopp. We're not even dependant on one player as Jota and Mane are 2nd and 3rd top scorers in the league. In fact excluding penalties, Jota is only 2 league goals behind Salah despite having nearly half as many shots. We have Minamino deep in reserve and still odds on to finish the season in double figures.

I'm a Liverpool fan first, and a Salah fan second. Bowen is not as good as Salah. I'm not under any illusions. He is however a bloody good player in his own right with about 12 goals and 11 assists this season in all competitions with still about 15 games left. When Liverpool lost Ian Rush, John Aldridge replaced him and was not nearly as good. However Barnes and Beardsley stepped up too, Kenny changed the system, and we became arguably the best team offensively we've ever been at any point in our history straight after we lost our all time record goal scorer. Salah's replacement does not need to score 30 goals a season for us to progress as a team, they just need to be the right player. If the scouts who picked Salah now like Bowen, who are we to say they are wrong?


31.) 26 Mar 2022 12:54:11
I have to agree with MK about Salah. He is not irreplaceable.

People arrogantly turning their noses up at signing the likes of Bowen seem to forget that our legendary current front 3 weren’t exactly world-class superstars when we spent £30m or so on each of them. He’s proven himself in the premier league under a pragmatic manager, so under Klopp and our style of play, I think he’d thrive even more.

I’d personally have a look at rotating Diaz in to the central role. Yes his speed and 1v1 dribbling are exceptional, but I think we’ve already seen his work rate, first touch, movement and vision are too. I love Diogo, but he frustrates out of me centrally. I think putting him on the left, with Trent whipping balls in to the box as Diogo drifts in from out to in would result in Diogo actually becoming our main goalscorer from the right than Salah on the left.

I personally disagree with MK’s opinion on JWP, but that’s what football debates are usually centred on, opinions. I do rate Rice very highly, but I personally think we need a more attack-minded central midfielder first, to begin the take-over from Hendo. Someone with the immense work rate that’s willing to overlap down that right and provide another crossing option. The other option is that we switch sides in how we operate, with the right-sided central midfielder holding and recycling more, with Elliott on the left getting high and wide? This would fit nicely with the change of Diogo over to left who will drift inside (as per Hendo and Mo down the right) .

Either way, I do think we’ll move on from Mo a lot easier than some fear. That’s not downplaying or disrespecting how amazing the man is. He’s been and still is unbelievable and I’d love him to stay. But if he goes, I trust this club, backroom team, manager and squad to carry on without him.


32.) 26 Mar 2022 16:24:58
Good post smplfc. No worries on JWP, like you say it's an opinions game. Very good idea with Elliott on the left btw. I like that idea on paper as much as I like the idea of JWP overlapping on the right. Would be interesting to see that tried with Elliott at some point. Could be a bit like how David Silva played left of 3 for City.


33.) 26 Mar 2022 16:49:11
We’ve got no reason not to trust the people in charge. They’ve smashed it in almost all instances in the last 5 years.

Nobody thought Salah would deliver what he has when we signed him, it’s more than possible we can identify a similar coup.

My fantasy choice would be Chiesa.


34.) 26 Mar 2022 17:41:45
Mk stop playing the victim card for Christ sake.

You gave your original opinion and I simply replied. You then came back calling me ignorant and saying Christ it’s not hard to grasp and honestly don't understand how anyone can dispute this if they watch Liverpool so showing how self important you classify yourself on here.

I simply replied I wasn’t bothered in debating with you and I hadn’t read your reply and That makes me a troll.

You then go on to say if I had given an opinion you’d consider. Well to be honest I don’t care what you consider you’re just another poster on here. Last time someone went against you was Ed002 and we all know how you reacted to that.

I’m not trying to paint you any colour and Clearly if
You think I’m mocking everyone since the Salah contract then that means you must be paying very close attention to my posts. So that tells me you’re the one with a problem not me.


35.) 27 Mar 2022 14:26:58
I don't understand the fixation people have with Bowen. He's way down the list for me. Guy can't even get into the England squad and people think he's the most suitable Salah replacement? People need to start following other leagues. Raphinha, Antony, Diaby, Tsygankov and Oyarzabal are all preferable to me.

{Ed0666's Note - Diaby or Raphina would be my choices as Anthony has talent but his attitude leaves a lot to be desired…


36.) 27 Mar 2022 21:44:53
Tsygankov I think is also available on a free due to current circumstances although please correct me if I'm mistaken. I don't want to be all "ooh let's take advantage of the situation" but the guy is talented and has to continue his career somewhere. Maybe we could even do a sizeable donation to Ukrainian refugees in place of a transfer fee?

{Ed002's Note - Why would he be free to Liverpool?}


37.) 27 Mar 2022 23:27:10
I thought FIFA had made an announcement saying that players from Russian and Ukrainian clubs were free to leave.

{Ed001's Note - on loan for the rest of the season.}


38.) 28 Mar 2022 01:05:39
Ah okay cool thanks for clarifying Ed. Still an interesting development nonetheless. I'm not an expert but is hard to see Ukrainian clubs back in action by the summer. Tsygankov could be a good option if we take a look at the list of Salah replacements and don't really fancy any of them.


 

 

22 Mar 2022 13:28:18
There is a lot of talk of jude Bellingham to liverpool but in all honesty there are 2 others who are playing at just as high if not better levels .
Ryan gravenberch Ajax serious baller can do everything rumoured fee 25 million.
Tchouameni Monaco destroyer who can contribute in attack as well in defence rumoured fee again 25 million .
Dortmund won't want to sell jude an his price tag stupendous, I would rather see us go all out for 1 of 2 above mentioned.


1.) 22 Mar 2022 13:59:35
Pretty sure Monaco want somewhere closer to 100m than 25m for Tchouameni, and I'm pretty sure they'll get it too, considering every single club in Europe is after him.


2.) 22 Mar 2022 14:33:11
Bellingham would be perfect and would love him to have a couple of years under Klopp before he leaves as would help him progress to another level. I remember Dele Alli was looking as good as Jude but seems to have not been coached properly and lost his focus and is now barely a footballer any more. Also I think getting a bit more homegrown would help, a nucleus of Elliot Jones Carvalho and Bellingham would be fantastic I would go all out for Jude a striker with potential and a RB understudy. For now it is the calm before the storm it is going to be one of the most exciting ends to a season I can remember I hope you are all strapped in. We can all do our part as we do so often let’s roar our team on to the max and see what happens?


3.) 22 Mar 2022 15:03:53
Bellingham would be home grown wouldn’t he?

{Ed002's Note - It would depend when he moved.}


4.) 22 Mar 2022 16:00:55
I believe that Bellingham would qualify as HG over the age of 21 if he moved this summer but not if he moved next summer. HG wouldn't matter until he was over-21 in any regard.

Is that right, Ed002?

{Ed002's Note - Yes.}


5.) 22 Mar 2022 16:10:46
Hasn’t it been said in the past that players look better in Germany due to players inability to defend. Naby ripped up the Bundesliga a few years ago and now he can’t put his left foot in front of his right walking without being called crap.

Question is would it be a risk bringing Bellingham in at the quoted price with no Premiership experience. Yes he did well in the Championship but Mitrovic is ripping the Championship up and then hardly gets a kick in the premier league.


6.) 22 Mar 2022 16:52:06
Personally I would like both, but probably tchouameni would be my first pick as defensively he is a beast an we need cover for fabihno and he can play in other midfield slots, i heard tchouameni was cheaper due to contract ending soon but if he in the 80+ bracket forget that.


7.) 22 Mar 2022 17:19:26
25m for Tchouameni and Gravenberch? Now, that is hilarious. More like 60m for Tchoameni I read somewhere and a lot more than 25m for Gravenberch with Raiola as his agent. I love Bellingham but I don't believe for a second he will sign for us cos we ain't going to have the money BVB will be looking for.

{Ed0666's Note - why would we buy Tchoameni when we have Fab?


8.) 22 Mar 2022 17:11:01
Supposedly Bayern are looking at Gravenberch for around the 17million mark. Seems a great price for a good young player.

Do we hold any interest Ed or is he bayern bound?

{Ed002's Note - Ajax will not sell for that. I have provided a full answer on the European page.}


9.) 22 Mar 2022 19:20:25
I heard Arsenal have bid 17 million and 1 pound.


10.) 22 Mar 2022 19:00:23
Thanks Ed002, for the answer on the European site. Sounds like, with only 1 year left on his contract, Gravenberch may end up moving for €30-€45m-ish in the summer. Very good option at that price. I too would like both him and Bellingham to replace Naby and Ox in the squad and provide competition/ rotation options for all of the midfield 3 (along with Jones and Elliot) .

{Ed002's Note - Ajax are looking for €50m although his agent wants less but a significant signing on fee and agent fees.}


11.) 22 Mar 2022 19:33:41
Why would Chelsea buy jorginho when they had kante, why would city buy rodri when they had fernandihno, simply for cover tchouameni can play in midfield also but can cover fabihno.

{Ed0666's Note - Fo you really think tchouameni will come to Liverpool to play second fiddle to Fab when he’s playing most games for Monaco?


12.) 22 Mar 2022 19:48:32
Naby is the 12th most used player in the squad this season. The majority of posters want him out but maybe Klopp actually trusts him.


13.) 22 Mar 2022 20:34:02
Jk klopp trusts him because he wanted him and paid over the odds for! He’s rubbish!
End of!


14.) 22 Mar 2022 20:34:36
Ed would Jacob Ramsey be a option for us he will be a top talent?

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have shown no interest in him.}


15.) 22 Mar 2022 21:39:38
Klopp seems to think differently Jay.
How are people going to cope if the club offer Keita a contract extension?


16.) 22 Mar 2022 21:45:26
In fairness to Keita he is being asked to perform a more disciplined role that he was when at RB where he was given more free rein to get forward and be creative. Keita is a victim of his own previous success at RB and his price tag which is substantial. He is being asked to do what Gini was doing for us previously but without the same set of natural skills for the role. He’s not doing that bad considering this but he will always be judged on price tag and he payed well over the odds for a pretty average performer tbh. If we are not going to use him in a more natural role for him then we may as well of stumped a likely lower amount for somone who was leaving Scotland anyways.


17.) 22 Mar 2022 22:09:44
Go watch Keitas game for us against real when they battered us in their training ground in the CL!
It’s just one of his bad games but maybe have a refresh!
He’s absolutely dire! a few half decent games doesn’t change my mind for a player that’s been here over 3 seasons!
I’m over caring about that dud!
Ask ed01 for a refresh about Keita to remind u!


18.) 22 Mar 2022 23:03:00
I think there's probably a few managers that you could say don't have much of a clue about players, but I wouldn't put Klopp amongst them.
So if Keita is such a useless dud, why does Klopp persist with him?


19.) 23 Mar 2022 05:33:42
Because he paid way over the odds for him!
He is utter crap end of story.
He would just about get a game for the likes Burnley, Norwich, Everton maybe?


20.) 23 Mar 2022 07:31:02
Classic examples of people taking a dislike to something or someone and allowing it to completely dominate their thoughts and opinions.
A hugely successful manager like Klopp only plays Keita because he paid way over the odds for him?
Really?
There's a reason folks call that "blind hatred". If Klopp gets rid of Keita, who is the next whipping boy? That's just how some fans roll, always needing a figure to hate on.


21.) 23 Mar 2022 09:31:13
yeah, I think Keita isn't as bad as people seem to want to recall. bit like Lucas, the dude never got his dues until it was time for him to go.


22.) 23 Mar 2022 10:33:23
I'm pretty sure Jota has already been nominated for it.


23.) 23 Mar 2022 10:40:58
@Jay if you are “over caring about that dude” why do you keep bringing him up at every opportunity - you are VVVV in disguise and I claim my fiver.

As we always say people are entitled to their opinions and the forum would be rubbish if we all agreed about everything and all that sort of stuff but the only opinions that matter are the manager’s and his coaching staff. Given or current position I am reasonably confident that the club is following the right choice of opinion.


24.) 23 Mar 2022 11:06:18
I have an interesting thought experiment lads.

Instead of relying on appeals to authority over how often Klopp picks Keita (we could get into a lengthy aside about how being the 12th most picked player this season isn't the achievement it appears to be on the surface when you consider advancing years, lack of form and injuries from other players who play his position) and speculating on people allowing 'hatred' of players to dominate their thoughts, why don't you use your actual eyes and look at Keita when he plays?

What I see is a player who is frequently ineffectual, frequently lazy, rarely sprints, cannot close down, regularly disappears out of games, shirks tackles, has often been entirely invisible when we don't have the ball, doesn't actually do that much going forward to make up for it, has been subbed twice at HT for being poor this season, has only had one genuinely good game that I can remember, and on what people describe as a good day for him, appears to do about the bare minimum that's expected for our other players.

Comparisons with people like Lucas or Henderson aren't valid, imo, because at least when they were struggling they kept trying and putting in effort. Effort is something Keita does not have the greatest relationship with. I don't want Liverpool players to fail, and nothing would make me happier than seeing Keita tear up Premier League midfields, but it hasn't happened, isn't happening currently, and based on pattern to date, probably won't happen.

He's been here nearly 4 years and has, effectively speaking, done nothing. 10 goals, 5 assists in that time from a bloke who's supposed to be an attacking threat from midfield. Ox has done better than that and he missed one of those seasons entirely with injury. Yet Keita strings a few non-embarrassing performances together and his hype club insist that we should be all over him.

Meanwhile players who've been essential to our successes in the past 3 years get it in the neck if they have a bad day or two. (And I'm not just talking about Firmino and Mane, Alisson and Alexander-Arnold were both being hammered by some earlier in the season. Whilst Henderson's come in for stick too)

Strange.


25.) 23 Mar 2022 11:37:27
@JK23 I suspect Klopp might have a little bit of an idea about the relative strengths and weaknesses of the German game 😉.


26.) 23 Mar 2022 14:06:55
Does anyone really believe Klopp has passengers in this squad?
That he'll let a player stroll about at his leisure, not break into a run or challenge for the ball?
The word irrational springs to mind here. Effectively claiming that Klopp is somehow misguided or can't see what's happening on the pitch to justify them slagging a player off.
I'll stick with Klopp's judgement as he's got a proven track record of knowing what he's doing and what he's talking about.


27.) 23 Mar 2022 16:43:19
Here's a novel idea as to why Klopp picks Keita, possibly. Because there's nobody else left on the bench, after you allow for injuries and rotation? There's a limit of 25 players in a squad, you know. 😛.


28.) 23 Mar 2022 17:00:57
Here’s another thought - Klopp put Keita in the 25 man squad because he thought he should be there.

{Ed0666's Note - klopp is not impervious to a mistake. By his own admission he said he was wrong to play Fab out of position during our defensive crisis last season.


29.) 23 Mar 2022 18:08:24
WDW - Karius was in the 25 at the start of the season. Klopp must really rate Karius.


30.) 23 Mar 2022 18:23:54
Naby has been ok this season. He’s still a flop but far from the worst on current form. Ox and Jones have been woeful.


31.) 23 Mar 2022 19:01:40
Also I checked minutes played in all comps for our squad this season and Keita's not 12th. He's 16th. (idk was 12th PL only? ) He's played less than Ox, despite the latter having barely got a look in since everyone came back from AFCON and about the same as Thiago who missed a good few more games than him through injury.


32.) 23 Mar 2022 21:40:11
SR my bad mate. Kieta was 12th in the most premier league minutes and that does include him being away for the Afcon. I think Minamino and Origi have more minutes in the league cup than Salah. Perhaps Klopp rates them over him hence why he’s not getting a new contract and the plan is to play our best team in the domestic cups and our reserves are the ones who play in the league.


33.) 24 Mar 2022 06:39:08
@Ed0666 I agree with you, Klopp seems to be honest about mistakes he has made …. what’s he said about his mistakes with Keita?

@Something_Red, when was the last time Karius played in a competitive match for us? Although I was surprised that he was in the squad I would say he is probably 6th choice at best.

{Ed0666's Note - he said Keita was a poor man’s Ross Barkley, he’s a midget, can’t play football, has the worst dress sense and regretted signing him.


34.) 24 Mar 2022 20:45:16
@Ed0666 - Ah yes, I do remember seeing that press interview now you mention it 😁😁.

{Ed0666's Note - it certainly got my attention


 

 

17 Mar 2022 00:15:53
I have too hold my hand up,
Our squad is actually really strong and obviously injuries have masked a lot of my judgement, with the 1 signing of diaz our squad looks bloated up front an we are stacked with good and world class players in midfield, defence again stacked. Our problem is injury prone players in midfield which when addressed is a scary thought . I can see ox, Milner, possibly keita, as good is thiago is I would sell an bring in top reliability and quality.


1.) 17 Mar 2022 02:11:59
wtf 🙄.


2.) 17 Mar 2022 07:17:00
"Our problem is. "

What problem?
Self contradict much?


3.) 17 Mar 2022 07:23:41
Why is this after every time we put in a performance someone has to find a negative, just enjoy the ride.


 

 

 

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23 May 2022 11:48:29
I have watched long youtube clips of him but they only show his strengths, i wondered if anyone knew how consistent he is week in week out and how important he is to the team . It seems his passing tackling heading defensive duties and certainly physicality is on point. Sometimes players from french and dutch league can look deceptively good because of the level of opposition.

{Ed002's Note - He is very good hence the interest of so many leading sides.}


 

 

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09 May 2022 23:26:38
I would sell mane and go all out for nkunku of leipzig.


 

 

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11 Mar 2022 21:59:33
If he goes get anthony from ajax and bring in a proper number 9 lewandowski or kane 🥲😋😛.


 

 

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20 Feb 2022 21:28:38
Jota is not aesthetically pleasing on the eye, whereas diaz is technically gifted and flows past people for fun, but as we all know jota is deadly which is perfect for us . I agree if mane could evolve into a striker it could give him a fresh chapter in his liverpool career .


 

 

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20 Feb 2022 16:25:31
Great players on a certain wavelength (world class) can play together and diaz has given us a spark of excitement and reinvigorated our squad . Bobby can still be an important squad player if he sticks around .


 

 

 

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16 May 2022 20:45:58
Bet there is many players out there probably household names who are gay, I think its a revolutionary move and could help others to come out.


 

 

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10 May 2022 19:07:36
His injury record ain't the best.


 

 

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09 May 2022 20:25:16
As good as mane and salah are if they have an eye on moving and we get offered a good wad of cash sentiment has to go right out the window . At some point we need to have the balls to evolve with new players who can do a similar job coached in our system under klopp and his teams system as diaz has proven.


 

 

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09 May 2022 20:26:56
Have u seen haalands injury record not the best and the English league is the most demanding in the world.


 

 

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08 May 2022 01:45:26
I get were you are coming from obviously and deservedly he shot himself up too best player in the world standards and wants a contract too mirror the standards set but I agree the big players win games single handedly or perform to that level and do it consistently. Ed 02 has said for a long time salahs agent has been laughed out of town by major clubs with his demands practically as soon as he arrived he has been hawked around pastures new .