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30 Jan 2021 18:21:27
Apparently we have bid 45million euro for demiral, surely we could get 3 centre backs for that .


1.) 30 Jan 2021 18:34:59
Maybe we are paying over a few years like Jota? More dept on the club though, worry’s me when we are a year or so away from needing a rebuild.


2.) 30 Jan 2021 18:38:32
I call BS. €45m for a defender who has barely played any football in the last two years and spends most of his time warming the bench at Juve?


3.) 30 Jan 2021 18:40:47
Isn't he an injury-prone player? I don't know my Italian football, just scanned through the socials.


4.) 30 Jan 2021 18:44:35
Which 3?


5.) 30 Jan 2021 18:49:22
Fans worry way too much about clubs finances these days. were fans not accountants!


6.) 30 Jan 2021 18:50:40
Nah no way. Ed002 said we were offered him a few weeks back so probably old news from then. We ain’t got 45quid let alone 45M.


7.) 30 Jan 2021 19:05:15
Botman 18 million, kabak 18 million, and change for a loan or a player.


8.) 30 Jan 2021 19:05:57
Botman might even be cheaper than 18 million.


9.) 30 Jan 2021 19:22:02
I’ll be honest Hailstones, the fact that Matips injury doesn’t sound as bad as Klopp made out I can’t see is signing anyone either on loan or permanent mate. Plenty of rumours we must of been linked to 6 different names today and all dismissed on here. All fiction I would think.


10.) 30 Jan 2021 19:33:09
I'm going for Romain Saiss from Wolves. Left out of last squad and only 6 months left on contract so could be a realistic option. I like him as well. Play in defence or midfield. Shrewd signing I'd say.


11.) 30 Jan 2021 19:50:42
Daretodream Matip is a flake way to unreliable we can’t be counting on him!


12.) 30 Jan 2021 20:10:41
Dare to dream. I think we have to really. Matip is good but plays one game and injured. We can't risk it.


13.) 30 Jan 2021 20:30:32
Yes saiss would be nice and another.


14.) 30 Jan 2021 22:40:56
well lately it's matip plays only one good HALF before injury.


 

 

18 Jan 2021 12:26:03
Any one expecting jota to just pop back in and save the day needs to think that he is just coming back from a knee injury and might take time to get up too speed.


1.) 18 Jan 2021 12:58:36
Will still be better than bobby haha.
He could also come back to scoring form in his first game back.


2.) 18 Jan 2021 15:17:26
He will not be back until the second week of February.


3.) 18 Jan 2021 17:59:45
Magico at least Bobby was getting in the positions to shoot, the other two were just as wasteful, but Bobby was trying to make things happen.


4.) 19 Jan 2021 07:53:18
Not doubting Bobby's positional play. but he shooting is dreadful.


5.) 19 Jan 2021 07:55:12
Agree mane and salah were awful though.
Try salah through middle and push bobby or ox to right forward?


6.) 19 Jan 2021 09:01:00
Bobby seems worse at them moment because he has to drop so deep I can’t see why Klopp won’t just play the young lads at the back with fab in front of them to ease the pressure and hendo and Thiago to dictate the play from midfield and feed Bobby salah and mane giving them the extra yard back.


7.) 19 Jan 2021 09:02:24
Has anyone noticed that the positioning is no way near as fluid as before. It used to seem like the forwards all swapped round and popped up in each others position. I think against Man U I saw salah and mane switch once, salah was soo wide on the right all game. Maybe it is just a confidence thing and they are just trying to keep it simple to get back into form.


8.) 21 Jan 2021 00:35:20
We are dropping too deep too early. You could see it against Utd which creates holes all throughout the team which makes it easier to get through us as you can’t press when there’s too much space. The distances to run are too much for anyone.
We are then winning the ball back in our own half and so starting an attack from there.
VVD and Gomez would hold the half way line for as long as they could which then risks leaving too much space in behind but it also compresses the play into the oppositions half meaning the press can be more effective and we win the ball higher.
With Fabs, Hendo and Gini in midfield they are all good ball winners so it was highly effective. It also meant that the FBs starting position was much higher allowing them to get forward more without killing themselves.
Fabs and Hendo at CB don’t have the confidence or pace to hold that line so we get stretched and we don’t have the ball winners in midfield either.
Klopp will see this but I’m not sure what we can do about it with the personnel we have available.


 

 

02 Aug 2020 11:06:48
We are being linked with Kostas tsimikas today and apparently his fee has been lowered, he seems like a great option for the squad if it's a serious link very much like Robertson, Ed's do u think there is any legs in this one?

{Ed002's Note - Kostas Tsimikas (LB) another option for Leicester if Chilwell were to depart but a Work Permit could be an issue in England unless a reasonable fee is paid. Yuto Nagatomo is due to be replaced in the summer so Galatasaray have looked. Third pick for Napoli as a Faouzi Ghoulam replacement but they could end up pushing. Fenerbahce are short a LB and have Hasan Ali Kaldirim out of contract in the summer. Locomotiv Moscow have Maciej Rybus heading for the door this summer and have seemingly given up hope on Mikhail Lysov and have been in contact with Olympiacos over a deal for the summer. Sheffield United and Nice have looked and declared an interest and Nice have discussed terms with his club but have failed to reach any agreement.}


1.) 02 Aug 2020 11:44:22
Thanks for reply ed, obviously he is linked with a lot of clubs who probably want him as a starter so see how that one develops .


2.) 02 Aug 2020 19:37:52
Ed u say permit if reasonable fee paid? Does that mean if u buy a player at such price u don’t need a permit am I taking that the wrong way cheers!

{Ed002's Note - It is a points based system and you need to get points from transfer fees and wages to be eligible. It will again change next year.}


 

 

14 Jul 2020 10:43:57
Hi Ed's we are linked with Leandro cabrera today is this realistic, and if so is he rated at all?

{Ed002's Note - Leandro Cabrera (CB) Real Betis have been discussing a potential loan for the 29 year old Uruguayan journeyman with Espanyol but they prefer a sale.

It would make little sense for Liverpool to be looking at a 29 year old non Home Grown player who is not the desired first choice player Klopp is keen on.}


1.) 14 Jul 2020 11:01:12
Thanks for the reply ed, sorry to ask but who is klopps first choice?

{Ed002's Note - Diego Carlos would be first choice but Liverpool are not able to fund a move at this time.}


2.) 14 Jul 2020 11:22:19
Do u think there will be an alternative too carlos, he looks good but too pricey.

{Ed002's Note - I understand Diego Llorente but there is no money right now.}


3.) 14 Jul 2020 12:00:45
Thanks ed this C.V. is sucking the soul out of football not just in the stadium but also the transfer market . We win the league after 30 years and we are feeding of scraps too stay competitive.

{Ed002's Note - It was unexpected and the loss of revenue did not support the business model used by the club. I would think pretty much all PL clubs will make a loss this season.


4.) 14 Jul 2020 14:30:55
" I would think pretty much all PL clubs will make a loss this season. " And that's the sad reality of it all. Why if no one is bought and/ or sold this summer, the loonies with the "Klopp and FSG out" and "I can't believe we don't have the money" bit should restrain themselves.

{Ed002's Note - PL clubs are not all in the same boat of course. Some will make a loss but still have money to spend, some will make a loss but will have to sell to buy, a couple will make a loss and figure out how to get back in shape FFP wise etc..}


5.) 14 Jul 2020 15:38:38
Chelsea have a lot of players on loan and in current squad that can be sold plus already money rich so they could load up big time. Same story with man city players too sell big dough them 2 will definitely be splashing .


6.) 14 Jul 2020 16:54:06
Ed 002, how do i find your definitive response on why there is no money for Carlos? I understand that the current global economic situation has seriously interfered with the plans of well run businesses who are not a bottomless pit of cash BUT surely if we sell, Carlos can be brought in part ex for Shaq? Shaq's got to be worth 15-20, Grujic the same or more, ditto Wilson.

{Ed002's Note - If LIverpool sell players and the club agree to use that money for transfers, then deduct 25% and there will be a small budget. The finances are not in relation to any one player - I have explained that Liverpool have financial commitments to be met - perhaps search on "commitment" or "payment".}


7.) 14 Jul 2020 18:38:13
I would think Chelsea, United and especially City will be active in the transfer market. The Guardian reported this morning, Pep will be given £150m!


8.) 14 Jul 2020 18:30:07
Ed002, I understand the finances in the present are being impacted pretty severely by everything going on right now, but we haven't really discussed a transfer for Carlos involving deferred payments. Is something like that off the table with Sevilla because they want/ need the cash from a potential Carlos sale?

{Ed002's Note - The club don't want to be building further debt. The CEO has made everything clear as well.}


9.) 14 Jul 2020 21:35:49
Do we have any green shield stamps?


 

 

18 Jun 2020 07:34:56
Could there be any truth in keita possibly leaving I have heard ac milan are interested or a return too Germany?

{Ed002's Note - It seems rather speculative based on Rangnick taking over as coach, but he has been a disaster at Liverpool. The Italian government could block a move based on his conviction and I don't see how Milan could easily pay for him. Regardless, if there were a good offer for Keita I would expect Liverpool to seriously consider it as the return on their investment has been dreadful. I am also told he has stood out in the recent "pre-season".}


1.) 18 Jun 2020 09:41:57
Stood out in a good or bad way ed?

{Ed002's Note - A good way.}


2.) 18 Jun 2020 11:12:22
Some years ago, Voronin stood out in "pre-season"


3.) 18 Jun 2020 11:12:44
I'd love this fella to come good. There's a regular starting place for him in our midfield I reckon depending on the opposition e. g. one of those games where we want a more attacking shape - he just needs to stay fit. Ultimately he could replace Hendo, surprised to see it was his 30th birthday yesterday!


4.) 18 Jun 2020 13:13:13
Takumi and Keita to surprise alot. no fans. freedom to express.


5.) 18 Jun 2020 13:23:42
I'm assuming Keita is on a 4 or 5 year contract. So basically the first half (or almost the first half) of the contract has been a failure from a footballing point of view for the club. The return on investment the club was expecting has been nowhere what the club planned on. Yes he shows glimpses of talent from time to time, but then so do one season wonders, and we've all seen plenty of those. If an offer close to our purchase price comes in, I would look at it seriously. And re-invest in another player showing the promise Keita showed but didn't deliver.

I don't see Keita as a successor to Henderson at all. Keita has nowhere the physicality to be able to carry out the role Hendo carries out for us. And judging from the various stories and events that have occured since I first heard of him as a target, I see him as somewhat of a lightweight, both physically and mentally. Of course he is still a talented footballer, but being the linchpin of our midfield is probably a step too far up for him.


6.) 18 Jun 2020 14:14:36
Good aul naby!


7.) 18 Jun 2020 15:17:54
Voronin was a free transfer. His goal against Toulouse set Liverpool up to the Group stage of CL - that goal paid for everything (including his beach holiday! ) . Keita is a 52m bad investment but hopefully, he will come good.


8.) 18 Jun 2020 18:43:35
How can you call Kieta a “bad investment “ been ravage by injuries but when he has played he has looked like he could do well for us with a good run in the team. If the club decides to sell him I think they would recoup the transfer fee. Unbelievable statement that mate.


9.) 18 Jun 2020 18:50:02
I was all for moving him on but he might just get another under the current circumstances.
There are glimpses of a good player on occasions, when he's fit but he needs to stay fit and get a run of games to see if he is the player we hoped he would be.


10.) 18 Jun 2020 19:17:58
Scouse John L8. But why is what I wrote "an unbelievable statement"? Which part of it is unbelievable? Do you think the club is happy having paid for a player a year in advance before he joins and then seeing almost 2 years of non-performance from him? And there are other issues with him, but my post was not about slating Keita at all, and citing those issues would appear to be exactly that, slating.

Joe Gomez went out for a year and nobody said a word. Ox was out for a year and nobody said a word. And they both contribute far more than Keita does. So we're not exactly heartless monsters who don't understand the meaning and consequences of the word "injury". I supported Sturridge for as long as I could but once it became apparent that two years of injuries and not being available to play meant that he too should be moved on.


11.) 18 Jun 2020 19:30:28
I don't think keita has the desire to stamp his authority on the team, his value has probably decreased also .


12.) 18 Jun 2020 20:16:06
You are deluded to think Liverpool would recoup their fee.


13.) 19 Jun 2020 00:43:23
Behave John. Lightweight, frightened of the big occasion and looks like a headless chicken at times. Unfortunately, some players just do not adjust. I would love to play against him as an opposition player.


14.) 19 Jun 2020 05:13:45
First time posting on here. I don't get all the slate about naby.
Fair play he's riddled with injury at 52m an you want your moneys worth but everytime i see him play a lot of players back off him because its near impossible to press him with close control.

The midfield balance is not quite up to scratch to accommodate midfielders like him. Maybe if he had a bit more weight on him people would be comparing him to yaya or something lol.


15.) 19 Jun 2020 06:43:31
I think Keita will end up being a success and prove all of you ‘supporters’ wrong.


 

 

 

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12 Apr 2021 11:59:15
Hey Ed why do u think England have not produced an English manager that can win a league in 30 years?, you look at every other league in Europe and they have produced multiple managers from there own country who have won there own league .
Does this say English managers are inept? Or are there not enough being trusted?

{Ed002's Note - I would not read too much in to it. It is a matter of opportunity in most cases - if Southgate were to join Manchester United he would perhaps have the opportunity - or when Gerrard replaces Klopp in the summer he should have resources at Liverpool to give it a go.}


1.) 12 Apr 2021 12:07:53
🔥. The fire has been lit, LOL.


2.) 12 Apr 2021 12:48:39
Looooool.
Ed002 is looking for bites haha.


3.) 12 Apr 2021 12:51:54
Ed2 is that tongue in cheek to wind some of the fans up or do you genuinely see it as a possibility?

{Ed002's Note - I don't think Southgate will join Manchester United.}


4.) 12 Apr 2021 13:00:40
Southgate won't be winning anything even at PSG well other than the league.


5.) 12 Apr 2021 12:55:17
ArAy - or rather, the bait has been cast . . . :D.


6.) 12 Apr 2021 13:13:48
I think Sam Allardyce or Dyche would do well at City. Like for like replacement for Pep.


7.) 12 Apr 2021 13:24:39
Classic ed002, ha.


8.) 12 Apr 2021 13:33:23
Ooooo ed 02 giving us some juicy gossip there, surely tongue in cheek as we might have another Lampard situation as its too early for stevie unless he is given 300 million too spend.


9.) 12 Apr 2021 14:14:48
I think Gerrard could win the league with Liverpool if he had the right back room staff just like when Dalglish took over he had the wisdom of all the backroom staff and the great Bob Paisley. With not the best team in the league we did the double that season and Everton did have the better team and the more experienced manager.


10.) 12 Apr 2021 14:33:30
Amazing. Most of you guys would roll your eyes and make snide comments about a player being brought in from the Scottish leagues ("he has no experience in the EPL") but some of you would accept a still unexperienced manager from there? (I'm not being blasphemous because, for me, Gerrard the player has absolutely nothing to do with Gerrard the manager) .


11.) 12 Apr 2021 14:44:56
Aray it’s probably to do with Stevie being a legend. If I came home early from work and found Stevie in bed with my wife I would tuck him in and offer to make him a cup of tea and full English.


12.) 12 Apr 2021 16:03:35
Obviously, JK, it all has to do with Gerrard the player. But team management is not exactly the same, and you know it isn't. What are you naming the child by the way? Gerry? 😉.


13.) 12 Apr 2021 16:18:14
Aray 🤣. I forgot to add in my comment that i for one at the moment do not want Gerrard to replace Klopp. But in fairness I don’t want anyone to replace Klopp. Sadly The time will eventually come where we will have to replace him and I’m sure Stevie’s name will be in the running. I’d like to see him take on another role in the premier league to prove himself more though but for him it would be a big risk. If he were to fail in that role then his name wouldn’t be in the running. I’m sure the owners are dreading the day they have to replace Klopp just as much as us fans are.


14.) 12 Apr 2021 17:39:36
If Gerrard is to fail then I prefer he do it elsewhere and not with LFC. Question of maintaining his legacy and high regard with the LFC fans.


15.) 12 Apr 2021 19:37:48
Not sure Gerrard is going to be wasting his time waiting with baited breathe for the LFC job to be open anytime soon. He has to make his own way and his own path in management and winning the Scottish PL against all odds is a good way to start, IMO.


16.) 12 Apr 2021 16:04:18
Ha. Love it Ed2. You naughty naughty you teasing me.


 

 

05 Apr 2021 15:07:33
If we are looking to replace shaq or origi I don't see why we shouldn't seriously be looking at mislav orsic he is a brilliant talent with end product .
Free kicks, pace, direct play, technical ability and desire I hope we are looking at him .


1.) 05 Apr 2021 17:05:43
I'm not sure how many times Origi has played this year but maybe 5 or so in the league? You'd think an Elliot or one of the current crop would fill in.
Going to be hard to get a quality forward player in to player behind the likes of Salah, Mane, Firmino, Jota. Unless one of them leave!


2.) 05 Apr 2021 17:22:59
I would agree with that Maximosa 100%. With the input these players have had this season, when we have needed them more than ever, has been next to nothing. I would certainly shift them on and Elliot certainly taking one of the spots. Maybe then with both being sold we could purchase someone of a bit better quality to replace that one spot.


3.) 05 Apr 2021 17:47:01
I agree to a certain extent Max. But you’d have to argue that Origi’s lack of game time is much more down to how little he offers by way of quality competition. Jota has proven that.


4.) 05 Apr 2021 17:49:21
Sell both, replace them with the returning Elliott and Minamino. If we want to sign another starting forward then it should be a ready made starter, funded by the sale of one of Mane or Firmino.


5.) 05 Apr 2021 17:55:03
Max in answer to your question mate Origi has played in 9 league games but of those 9 he’s started 2 and got subbed off in both and the other 7 appearances have equalled 45 mins of footballl all together and one of the appearances was for 26 mins, so over the other 6 games he played 19 mins in total. He’s played 182 minutes of premier league football this season so 2 mins over 2 full games.


6.) 05 Apr 2021 18:18:45
Also Elliot was 18 yesterday. So would definitely like to see him integrated into the first team squad more next season.


7.) 05 Apr 2021 18:33:01
I think we all agree Origi is done at Liverpool. Op did you just see Orsic in one game v Spurs and then thought we should buy him? He is 28 years old and plays in a pub league, absolutely no chance that he will sign for Liverpool.


8.) 05 Apr 2021 18:54:03
OP, are you still on MOTD vibes after watching the kid do Spurs in the EL or have you scouted him for a while yourself? Just asking for a friend.


9.) 05 Apr 2021 18:56:33
I personally think it would be best to continue loaning Elliot out for him to progress. I’d much rather him play most weeks Competitively than play the odd cup game and a few sub appearances. Another season on loan would benefit him and us a lot more.


10.) 05 Apr 2021 20:10:59
Elliot has been tearing it up in the Championship, I think it’s time to start integrating him into the first team.


11.) 05 Apr 2021 20:44:08
I actually didn't realise he was 28 and no this wasn't a reaction to the spurs games as I never watched them so calm down


12.) 05 Apr 2021 20:44:57
Still a great player


13.) 06 Apr 2021 07:18:55
Come on hailstones, no way you had seen or heard of him b4 the spurs game! No harm in admitting it mate 😉 funny that you are pretending you had though lol.

{Ed077's Note - yeah Liverpool need another attacking player in their late 20s, there's not enough of them already in the first team squad.}


14.) 06 Apr 2021 13:01:45
My point exactly, J6.


 

 

04 Apr 2021 09:31:09
Phillips has to be part of this squad beyond this season, young English brilliant in the air and developing with confidence when trusted, I am made up for nat I had confidence in him from what I seen a while back in pre season and if there was no injuries we would never have discovered his talent .


1.) 04 Apr 2021 09:49:55
I agree. If maguire is the world's most expensive defender then I don't understand how Phillips isn't at the level to be a good backup for us. He isn't ball playing but I really don't mind that. The lad can defend and is so determined to just win the frigging ball, excatly how a defender should be. Plus, at 23 he isn't near prime years.


2.) 04 Apr 2021 10:01:48
Maguire is like Bobby. Salah and Mane cannot score unless Bobby is on the pitch and opposition players cannot score unless Maguire is on the pitch either 😜.


3.) 04 Apr 2021 10:47:21
Lets see the season out. Philips could save us a lot of money if he can put out good shifts till the end of the season.
Fabinho shifting to midfield has changed everything and its helping both centre backs massively.
But by god if we win the CL and get top4 philips deserves his spot. My only problem would be where does it leave gomez.
And that's kind of my general problem no matter whether its philips or any x player we sign what do we do with gomez next season.


4.) 04 Apr 2021 11:08:37
for the good of his career we must sell him. He is too good to be 5th choice CB at any club.


5.) 04 Apr 2021 11:09:31
Gomez will need time. His injury was really serious. Doubt you will see the best of him until Christmas. The season is long and loads of games we need 5 cbs.


6.) 04 Apr 2021 11:21:46
Maguire is like Bobby 🤣🤣🤣.


7.) 04 Apr 2021 11:25:22
I think Kabak will be kept based on current form. We all love Phillips and what he has done BUT I don’t see him being kept if Kabak is kept so he may be the one to go.


8.) 04 Apr 2021 12:37:51
Oli I think I can see a scenario that Kabak is bought and Phillips kept on with Matip moving on. So VVD, Gomez, Kabak and Phillips will be the four CB’s. Which I’m fine with. Hailstones, I’m made up for the lad too, he’s a good defender and gives 100%, I like his no nonsense “YOU SHALL NOT PASS” attitude, ok, so he’s no Baresi, which is fine by me as I always thought Gentile was better!


 

 

18 Mar 2021 21:05:31
Arsenal, chelsea are reaping the rewards of trusting youth with huge success we should trust some of the young talent we have, lads are training with the 1st team at the minute and I hope they make there mark .


1.) 19 Mar 2021 05:17:51
Arsenal?


2.) 19 Mar 2021 05:22:40
Chelsea had invested in their youth for 14 years and thus are reaping the rewards. We have a good youth system which will get better with them training everyday with the first team but we will have to be patient and will see the reward in 5 years time. And above all honestly I think our youth system is quite good with TAA, Jones, Keller, Williams, Philips who are very much part of the squad now.


3.) 19 Mar 2021 06:01:06
Is that the same Arsenal who lie 10th in PL? The same Chelsea who “reaped” the benefits of their youngsters last season and then spent 200mil on transfers?

Chelsea have CHO, Reece James and Mason Mount who have bright futures. We have Trent (people tend to forget we invested in his youth talent), we have Gomez and more recently Curtis Jones, with Harvey Elliot likely to follow.


4.) 19 Mar 2021 10:22:09
OP, Arsenal? Really? I must have slept thru all that. If it was Chelsea, I would understand cos they have one of the best academies in the country if not the best in terms of churning out great talent. Arsenal are nowhere near that. In fact, we have churned out more youth players as permanent members of our first team than they have since Klopp arrived. Pls, check your info first off, before you post.


 

 

02 Mar 2021 12:48:55
Fond memories of ian st John he used too live right by me in childwall and was a gentleman and a real liverpool legend R. I. P.


 

 

 

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12 Apr 2021 11:08:20
We could sensibly rotate the cbs through the season, play horses for courses, nat Phillips can play against slow attacks but have a physical presence as can kabak, gomez konate can deal with fast paced attacks with a physical presence and virgil can deal with everything.


 

 

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06 Apr 2021 23:12:50
Sander berge could be of interest .


 

 

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29 Mar 2021 17:43:45
We need him he is a beast and versatile, right up klopps street .


 

 

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06 Mar 2021 18:21:26
One thing is for sure 6 times is we need solid competition who can put pressure on robbo and trent cos neco William's isn't trusted and never plays, tsimikas is injured or never plays that has to be addressed to get the best out of trent an robbo . people forget trent is 22 and played a lot of games to a sky high level, robbo is not 22 but at 26 he has grafted his ass off.


 

 

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06 Mar 2021 16:24:44
Looks like we might get the young left back from Lisbon then .


 

 

 

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12 Apr 2021 13:33:23
Ooooo ed 02 giving us some juicy gossip there, surely tongue in cheek as we might have another Lampard situation as its too early for stevie unless he is given 300 million too spend.


 

 

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05 Apr 2021 20:44:57
Still a great player


 

 

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05 Apr 2021 20:44:08
I actually didn't realise he was 28 and no this wasn't a reaction to the spurs games as I never watched them so calm down


 

 

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16 Mar 2021 09:13:04
Nat is like a human demolition machine in the air, he literally can take out 3 or 4 men with that aerial ability off his bulldozing , well done nat you are part of the team now.


 

 

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10 Mar 2021 22:34:03
Phillip's and kabak should be kept, matip out unfortunately.

{Ed0666's Note - I wouldn’t keep kabak just yet bud let’s see what transpires