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21 Dec 2019 08:00:14
Havertz being linked again via bild. Nothing changed I presume Ed? Still looking likely to going to Bayern.

Tom27

{Ed002's Note - Kai Havertz (AM) Bayern Munich will likely move for KH if the option on Philippe Coutinho not taken up, but interest from elsewhere - particularly Barcelona (if Coutinho leaves), Manchester City (as a David Silva replacement) and Juventus. Interest of Milan will likely not go anywhere. Dortmund and PSG have both certainly spoken with his agent. Numerous other clubs have had scouts watch including Manchester United, Chelsea and Real Madrid who have watched him on a number of occasions but either don't see the value in the price now or have other targets (where Chelsea and Real Madrid are concerned). Whether Liverpool wish to throw their hat in to the ring is another matter.}


1.) 21 Dec 2019 08:17:40
Wow that was fast, thanks mate. So unlikely then. I just can’t see us spending that amount of money on a player. €130m is what I read. Seems with this Nike deal, klopp extension and how well we are performing we are going to be linked with everyone! Were articles the other day on us going for neymar. I mean come onyou couldn’t get further away from a Liverpool / klopp type player.

{Ed002's Note - Bild wrote an article citing interest from Manchester United, Manchester City, Bayern Munich and Real Madrid - and then went on to write another saying Manchester United and Manchester City have spoken directly wth the player - which they have not. Somewhere down the line an English paper added Liverpool as one of these clubs. Right now Liverpool has not made any approach to Bayer Leverkusen regarding the player.

The reality is that all four clubs want an AM player - and he is Bayern's preferred recourse assuming they decide not to take up the option on Coutinho. Manchester United are looking for an AM player and have been baulking at the price being asked for Bruno Fernandes (AM) and have not lost sight of Christian Eriksen (AM). They have certainly looked at him but I am not aware of more than that and I am sure they have not spoken with the player directly. Real Madrid are also looking for an AM player and have been attracted by the low cost option of Eriksen. Finally, Manchester United do have the need to replace David Silva but it would be a very significant investment in a youngster.}


2.) 21 Dec 2019 08:17:40
Wow that was fast, thanks mate. So unlikely then. I just can’t see us spending that amount of money on a player. €130m is what I read. Seems with this Nike deal, klopp extension and how well we are performing we are going to be linked with everyone! Were articles the other day on us going for neymar. I mean come onyou couldn’t get further away from a Liverpool / klopp type player.


3.) 21 Dec 2019 11:44:19
how good is he ed only see him play the for Germany v Argentina and if his value is £100m+ for me its a big risk on these young players even Sancho when ever I have seen him play for England or the odd game for Dortmund still think at that price looks a big risk.

{Ed002's Note - He is well thought of but the asking price is pretty extreme, hence some clubs are stepping back. There are few clubs who will take that financial risk on a young player.}


4.) 21 Dec 2019 11:44:19
how good is he ed only see him play the for Germany v Argentina and if his value is £100m+ for me its a big risk on these young players even Sancho when ever I have seen him play for England or the odd game for Dortmund still think at that price looks a big risk.

{Ed002's Note - He is very well thought of but also young. As you say, he is expensive and it is risky - and if he is to move at that sort of price then there are not an enormous number of clubs who can afford that risk. And that can be seen from the clubs who have stepped back because of the price.}


5.) 21 Dec 2019 12:31:33
Ed002, with the addition of Minamino, do you think Liverpool may still add an AM in Summer?

{Ed002's Note - If they can move Shaqiri yes.}


6.) 21 Dec 2019 15:44:22
Do you see Shaqiri moving on in the summer then Ed? He no doubt wants mote game time.

{Ed002's Note - He might decide to sit tight.}


7.) 22 Dec 2019 02:33:45
I think that if keita and/ or OX can progress and play an important role in the 2nd half of the season we'd have no need to add an AM.

They have shown they can be a great fit in that role and klopp is more regularly using them in advanced attacking roles. If they can perform that role we mightnt need to recruit.

I see minamino being a better fit than shaqiri and versatile enough to play much more regularly. AM is not a position I see as needing addressing as we are not lacking threat from midfield this season and many important goals and assists have come from our midfield.

Minamino will only add more strenght from wide and central areas but we are not suffering from weakness in midfield lacking offensive output to demand we break the bank to sign another.


8.) 22 Dec 2019 08:54:58
i thought guardiola and everyone else was expecting foden to replace silva? can't seen PG taking that risk and will spend yet more money on his threadbare under resourced squad.

{Ed002's Note - No, you are mistaken. Ilkay Gundogan and Phil Foden are seen as the two central midfield player Manchester City has in the first team and Davide Silva and Ken DeBruyne the two attacking midfield players. They will be losing Silva, and the likes of Sane and will need replacements. Unlike Liverpool they do not have a mass of Central Midfield players to pick from. They are wary of price as they have never paid that sort of money for a player before - the most they have paid being a little over half the asking price. So perhaps your attempt at sarcasm fell on stoney ground.}


9.) 22 Dec 2019 13:23:06
Fair enough Ed, keep hearing it said that’s his role. He barely plays so I’m not quite sure where he fits in, they also play Bernardo, Rodrigo and Fernandinho in mf All in front of him so it’s not like they’re short as they only play with 3. I get most of their buys occurred before the market went crazy but relative to what was being spent at the time they were spending a lot more. 8 of the top 25 in PL history.


10.) 22 Dec 2019 14:22:56
I really like what I have seen of Foden, definitely looks like he could be top class. I'd be surprised to see City pay that much for Havertz when other areas of their squad (defence) seem in greater need of investment. Perhaps they can afford it all but, even for a club with their spending power, I'd think it unlikely they could get the defensive quality they need and fork out for Havertz. Info is interesting though ed, thanks.


11.) 22 Dec 2019 15:18:55
If KH is worth 127m, then Grujic is worth 35/ 40 at least. I also wonder if the Naby role is being reconsidered after a very slow and inconsistent start .
The type of fee being mentioned for Kai doesn't surprise me in as much as if he genuinely is a world class talent and good for 10/ 12 years at the top, its not so outrageous.


12.) 22 Dec 2019 22:47:05
Personally I don’t get the furore that surrounds Foden. He looks decent enough but for me is another overhyped English player who’s done nothing to warrant the hype that surrounds him.
We’ve seen loads over the years, Barkley, Lingard, Townsend, Winks, Rashford. All decent players but all not getting to the heights that were initially expected.


13.) 23 Dec 2019 17:31:14
Absolutely no chance of us spending the kind of money being talked about for Havertz or Sancho or anyone unless one of our stars leaves. Can see Zielinski replacing Lallana and maybe a young CB or DCM to deputize but not a big name or big money, and that's only right. We have the best team in the world, if it ain't broke etc etc.


14.) 26 Dec 2019 11:14:52
Still think we could do with another striker, love Origi as an impact sub, but I think we could do with a plan b for Bobby who is on fire at the moment but also has spells where he is flat
Difficult to say who though as whoever we went for would know that appearances will be limited. I would personally spend a significant sum on Vardy despite his age as he works hard and fits in to Klopp team ideally for me.

{Ed002's Note - Maybe they will take Brewster and £50M for someone to sit on the bench at Liverpool? Would he be behind or ahead of Mbabbe in the pecking order?}


15.) 27 Dec 2019 10:18:27
Who mentioned Mbappe I had an opinion and voiced it Ed002 and I believe our team could still improve despite being strong already with a proven striker who could be used when we are struggling to break teams down. Maybe not Vardy he was my personal choice but there are others out there too.


16.) 27 Dec 2019 15:32:44
Between Wilson, Grujic (who the Ed's have said does not fit tactically with JK's model) and Shaq, plus Lallana's wages, we can free up enough to afford a top notch MF player. I'd be ok with those 3 being sold to raise funds for Kai.


 

 

08 Nov 2019 07:45:25
Wow great rumour (aka nonsense) from the express this morning . Liverpool plan £215m bid for Mbappe which will see salah go to Real Madrid. Quality. I thought you only had to come here for made up rumours .

Tom27

1.) 08 Nov 2019 09:30:16
but you're secretly hoping one of the eds verifies this in the positive aye. lol :p.


2.) 08 Nov 2019 10:11:28
I'd hate to see Salah go to be honest, been outstanding for us.


3.) 08 Nov 2019 11:04:20
But if he did leave this guy would surely be an upgrade which is hard to come by.


4.) 09 Nov 2019 07:17:40
Upgrade is a bit harsh, Salah has been quality for sure, but if he is set on leaving then we need a replacement that is at least as good.


Who knows what FSG have planned. Didn't they just off and buy Alisson without the club's involvement. I know any spending needs to be reconciled under FFP but if they shelled out what could be over £60m for a keeper then perhaps they will go big for a striker. But £200m+? I'd love the likes of Mbappe, but I'm not sure how I feel about the club/ owners spending that sort of money.

I know getting a world class CB and keeper was much needed but I would argue that those were special cases that were needed to complete picture - the missing pieces of the puzzle.

I hope we don't have to spend crazy money on outfield players in the future. I don't see how it's sustainable.


5.) 09 Nov 2019 08:16:07
You can't say the club won't spend that money but the 200m would be offset by any Salah sale so.

wont happen anyways!


6.) 09 Nov 2019 12:29:41
His wages would blow our wage structure out the window, which would have a massive knock on effect, yer living on abs cloud cookoo land if ye think this has any possibility what so ever.


7.) 09 Nov 2019 16:03:40
There is no question we are interested. Who wouldn't be? I think the wooing began a long time ago.

Klopp's comments probably to avoid annoying PSG, as Real Madrid appears to have done.

If Mbappe comes, it will doubtless be financed by players leaving. Or by sponsorship. At any rate, I would leave the money aspect to others.


8.) 09 Nov 2019 20:29:11
I agree port red, he’d want astronomical wages and then that really does open Pandora’s box.


9.) 10 Nov 2019 03:50:06
Mbappe is not coming to Liverpool.


10.) 11 Nov 2019 07:49:58
Spot on Reynard, klopp himself has killed this rumour before it gets out of hand.
He will join Real Madrid for the 2020/ 21 season and no we won't be signing Bale either.


 

 

29 Oct 2018 09:25:37
Read a rumour that there is an agreement between Liverpool and Salah that he will be allowed to leave at the end of the season if Barcelona or real come calling. Any truth to it? I'd imagine it's a Spanish paper trying to stir things up.

Tom27

1.) 29 Oct 2018 10:10:31
I seen that yesterday mate annoying isn't it I would like too think he wants too stay with us.


2.) 29 Oct 2018 10:30:31
So as soon as he's back in the goals more regularly he gets linked with a move by newspapers? Shock horror. I wouldn't worry about it mate.


3.) 29 Oct 2018 10:44:38
Liverpool may sell to "anyone" should "anyone" make an unbelievable offer, why limit ourselves to Real and Barcelona only? I think we are getting ourselves into a position that players would want to stay as we are starting to look like the real deal, whereas Real look like a bloody mess. Does Modric want out?


4.) 29 Oct 2018 12:36:05
When will people learn about reading this tripe and believing it enough to ask if there’s any truth. Let’s see if either club can raise the 150-200 mil to make an offer before we start hitting a panic button. Besides weren’t most of the press reporting him as a 1 season wonder last week?

{Ed002's Note - It will be based on his efforts to move to Spain and having his agent speak with both clubs. I have explained that the package being asked for saw RA laughed out of the building.}


5.) 29 Oct 2018 13:37:43
Players come and go, they are transient. Very few will have genuine loyalty to 1 club, especially it seems, when Barcelona and Real madrid come calling.
I do not believe this story, but even if it were true, find a replacement and move on. It happens all the time in football.


6.) 29 Oct 2018 17:28:45
i know it is annoying mate isn't it. I normally wouldn't pay attention and assume that its a spanish paper trying to unrest the player as they want him at RM / Barcelona and using the lack of goal celebrations as an indication he wants to leave.


7.) 29 Oct 2018 19:00:16
The end of the season is a long way away 👍.


8.) 29 Oct 2018 20:08:13
Why would he leave the Champions of England and Europe to join Real Madrid in the Europa League?


9.) 29 Oct 2018 20:56:31
I like the optimism MK, but you're jumping the gun a little there lad. Still 28 games to go in the league.


10.) 29 Oct 2018 17:44:57
RA Ed002?

{Ed002's Note - His agent.}


11.) 30 Oct 2018 07:25:00
Cheers Ed002.


12.) 30 Oct 2018 09:32:54
I was replied too as being paranoid for mentioning the salah Barcelona thing also Madrid wanted him and paul merson spouting out in press salah looked unhappy, but ed 02 has been telling us for a long time salah and his agent flirting with the club's mentioned and we have seen this thing before with coutihno, Suarez, mascerano, Alonso etc so nothing surprises me with players loyalty too staying with us.


13.) 30 Oct 2018 11:53:48
Will be surprised if Barcelona can afford Salah this summer.

Maybe they will offer Suarez and Coutinho in part exchange but I don’t see us going for that.

Barca have some rebuilding to do.

Think both Barcelona and Madrid see several EPL clubs coming up fast and Champions League maybe between Juve LFC and Citeh over the next couple of seasons with Chelski back in the frame next year.


14.) 30 Oct 2018 12:17:14
Don't worry about it Hailstones, some people do overreact when you mention a star player could leave the club. You and TOM27 only mentioned you read a newspaper article.
None of us can say for certain that Salah, Mane, Firminho etc will be Liverpool players next season. The better they play the more stories we will see of Barca, Real, Psg looking to buy them. The 2 spanish are allegedly the dream for nearly every player, for whatever reason.


15.) 30 Oct 2018 16:41:12
ed002 do you see it getting harder for to many big galactico signing now with the price of players madrid need a few new signings and to take the best players of teams now would mean one hell of a summer spending spree. I do think the Neymar transfer caused a bit of a merry go round of transfers that has set a bit of a president that can't be kept going. soon there has to be a breaking point.


16.) 31 Oct 2018 12:49:59
Grino75, there are no signs of it stopping just yet. When you look beyond the insane £100m marks, the actual cost in percentage of revenue, cost of players (even the insane ones) are on average less than before.
Pogba was in reality cheaper for United than Veron was, based on percentage of revenue.

The revenue is still on a rise, albeit especially in the Premiership. But as long as revenue keeps rising, and the money made in Europe are increasing. the transfer fees will follow.

But to reply to the top one. I believe Salah is a great player, in so many ways, and will be hard if not impossible to replace if he leaves.
Yet, people seem to forget that Klopp have altered his attack to maximize Salahs effect. Adding another top quality, yet cheaper player, I trust in Klopp to adjust again. and it will be like CoutinWho. We didn't really miss him after the fact.

Just my two cents for the eds to blow wide open :)

{Ed002's Note - "Percentage of revenue" is of no relevance and comparisons between the likes of Veron and Pogba are of no relevance.}


17.) 01 Nov 2018 16:40:43
Of course he'll go, it's the owners Modus operandi. Why do you all torture yourselves, even though the coutinho money helped fund the last few windows, they'll still be mortified to have spent a hell of a lot more than they ever envisaged even tough it's a fraction of city and united's spend. Oh and they'll take nowhere near £200 million for him, if they can get anywhere near the couthinho money, BANG he's gone.


 

 

22 Jul 2018 12:31:28
What is likely to happen with Meyer? Who has shown serious interest / opened talks with his agent (Asking here as he has been linked to Liverpool).

Tom27

1.) 22 Jul 2018 13:22:47
From what I've heard his wage demands are too high for most clubs to be interested.


2.) 22 Jul 2018 14:42:16
was his wage demands £4m a year if so does not seems too high in this day and age. about £77k a week or is that just paper talk like that's why people don't want him.


3.) 22 Jul 2018 15:07:24
Think it was double that last i read grino. 8million his demanding.


4.) 22 Jul 2018 15:53:40
Never seen him play so no idea if he's any good or not but if he's a £30m player then getting him on a free with high wages doesn't seem too bad. If he's just a £3m player then it's a bad deal.

{Ed002's Note - What do you men by "free"? Signing on fee, 5% of valuation to The FA, agent fees, payment to compensate Schalke, tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable, tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable, Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches (what do you mean you have a super agent?), legal fees, VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable, moving/relocation costs for the player, VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable. And then there are his outrageous wage demands.}


5.) 22 Jul 2018 16:33:13
If these are the costs involved for a so called free transfer, then the amount Can must have cost to Juventus is beyond my imagination.

Let alone be for signing a player from certain club.

{Ed002's Note - They don't have to pay all of these costs but ceratinly signing on fee, agent fee, legal fees relocation costs - but his wages are far lower than what is being asked by MM.}


6.) 22 Jul 2018 19:39:28
I still expect him to sign for a premier league club, but I'd think it'll be more along the lines of West Ham or Palace. I also think it happen late as he'll start to learn that he'll have to drop his wage demands if he wants anyone to sign him.


7.) 22 Jul 2018 20:59:22
Do we see us going for him if he reduces his wage demands (in case nobody is ready to pay high wages)?

{Ed002's Note - To replace?}


8.) 22 Jul 2018 21:09:58
Ed002 by 'free' I meant that we wouldn't be giving a club £30m or so just to buy him. I'm well aware of all the other stuff that accompanies a so called free transfer.

{Ed002's Note - So who will be moved on to make room for him?}


9.) 22 Jul 2018 21:50:20
No idea Ed002, my only musing on the matter was whether he'd be a decent acquisition on a 'free' if you go back to my original comment.


10.) 23 Jul 2018 07:33:59
No transfer fee say 20 million.

Maybe sell one day even for 12 mil will negate most of those costs.

So eventually be a free is what it should be called.


11.) 23 Jul 2018 07:37:45
Why would a player be a good addition, if he's not replacing anyone in the squad? That's just stockpiling for the sake of it surely and will lead to more club debt and unhappy player/ s.


12.) 23 Jul 2018 09:07:40
Love how hot under the collar ed2 gets when people talk about frees and transfer fees in general- Iv learned a lot from you though mate. I didn’t realise about all the hidden costs of every transfer. Even been passing on the knowledge to one of my mates who saw an article and based purely on official transfer spend and all income it reckoned we had another 200mil after Allison to spend on transfers. I informed him it was utter bullsh*t but some people actually believe that shit! Dread to think what we’ve spent on agent fees alone this summer- never thought I’d type these words but I agree with Gary Neville (sorry- give me a second) agent fees should be limited and the FA should impose a tax on them as a way of getting money back into game from these thieves!

{Ed002's Note - Last season Liverpool paid £27M in agent fees.}


13.) 23 Jul 2018 12:24:41
Sport agent to established players must genuinely be the best job in the world.


14.) 23 Jul 2018 14:21:02
Meyer is not good enough for us anymore. He would not get in ahead of Fab, Naby and Hendo anyway and for a squad player, we already have Gini, Milner and Lallana.


15.) 23 Jul 2018 23:53:52
He wants 8mil a year apparently that’s just silly money if he was that good Madrid, Barca, PSG etc would have snapped him up.


16.) 24 Jul 2018 08:44:08
Kloppsboss, how do you work that one out? You say he might cost 20 mil, then sell him at a later date for 12 and it negate most of the costs so he really becomes free?

I mean you’re already 8mil down that way and the fact even after 1 year, you'll be another 8mil down with his wage demands xD

The word "free" is made up to give people false hope. Nothing is ever free in life! (Unless you steal it and never get caught xD)


 

 

16 Mar 2015 17:03:23
Sinclair to Wigan on loan for the rest of the season

Good luck to him, hope it helps continue his development

Tom27

1.) 16 Mar 2015 17:29:01
Ojo is there aswell hope they both run riot


 

 

 

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04 Oct 2020 20:36:02
Shocking! Been a long time since I switched a game off but watching the boxing now!

Tom27

1.) 04 Oct 2020 20:47:04
I'm watching Power Rangers with the wee man.


 

 

28 Sep 2020 22:23:51
We looked really good. Think gomez had a great game as did Keita to fair to him, in the first half.

Jota looked lively when he came on and we’ll take goal. Shocking from salah to nick that chance from him . the downside to having someone so obsessed with scoring goals.

Still felt a tight game despite our dominance but a great performance overall.

Tom27

1.) 28 Sep 2020 23:38:47
Was just about to post myself, Gomez was my MOTM. Tough to pick a standout with such an all-around terrific team performance. But I thought he was flawless tonight and especially impressive in shutting down the few moments during the game that Arsenal maybe looked like getting a sniff to get back into it. We should really end this talk of signing a new first choice CB. With our high line we need CBs with pace and Joe has that plus much more, mentally and physically. Really incredible for a 23 year old centre-half. Himself and Trent manning that quarter of the pitch for the next 6+ years? Yes please!

{Ed0666's Note - Eds 025 will froth at the mouth when he reads this post. He doesn’t take to kindly when you compliment the Scouse Wolverine. Gomez on his day is up there with the best he just needs to be consistent and be lucky with injuries.


2.) 29 Sep 2020 00:12:19
Bang on 666. J never understood the Joe hating. Ffans are so fickle. Yesterday he was on the garbage heap, today he's motm. I thought salah was motm actually. Fab and Joe close second and third.


3.) 29 Sep 2020 06:36:15
Gomez had a fine game as did many others, but Mane, for me, was magnificent. His passion and desire to win every ball and every challenge set the tone. That coupled with a hugely skilful and creative display sneaks the MOM for me. but I will admit he was a bit lucky to be on the field after the elbowing incident early on. maybe it was a mistimed shove though.


4.) 29 Sep 2020 07:09:17
I thought cheek beard played really well. The whole team did. Salah had a moment of greadiness with jota but I'll let him off. What a team. what a team.


5.) 29 Sep 2020 00:41:35
Hope it's just his mouth he's frothing from, Ed0666 mate. ;)
I guess I'll say nowt about seeing Yerry on his arse again or ask how he rates Michael Did-You-Say-Sloppy? Keane overall. xxx.

{Ed0666's Note - just don’t mention Bobby or the old fella will combust


6.) 29 Sep 2020 08:51:14
Spot on, Ed. I listened to the other podcast and Ed25 still could not see how good Gomez is or can be. Gomez on his game, is the best English CB in the PL, IMO. He just needs to do it consistently, as you say.

{Ed0666's Note - yes mate I think that’s what will be his downfall If there is to be one. If he can become VVD consistent, switched on and most importantly not get those long lay offs then we really have not only the best English central defender but I’d say one of the best defenders in world football. For sure top 10 anyway.


 

 

22 Feb 2020 15:37:24
Well we’ve now officially qualified for the champions league after spurs loss. It’s not even March!

Tom27

1.) 22 Feb 2020 21:13:32
We had got in there before the season started
We won it so are strictly in to start with
Or am
I wrong thinking this?
But happy day either way.


2.) 22 Feb 2020 23:08:36
Eh? No I meant we’ve qualified for next year as we are guaranteed to finish no lower than 4th.

It we hadn’t finished in the top 4 last season we would of been in it this season for having won It.


3.) 23 Feb 2020 06:51:08
We qualified after Manu beat Chelsea.


 

 

14 Feb 2020 18:58:28
Wow Man City. Didn’t see them doing that.

Tom27

1.) 14 Feb 2020 19:31:40
They were always going to ban them, it will just get over turned on some sort of review, just like the transfer bans always do.

It's a joke.


2.) 14 Feb 2020 19:48:56
Oh wow. Talk about unexpected shockers. Interesting times ahead, in terms of seeing what their strategy will now be; focus on the English titles and competitions only, and once again? And what happens with Guardiola? Does he stay or will he still be kept (even though he has nothing to do with all this) .

Does the fifth placed EPL team go into the UCL, then? Hope it's Wolves, Everton or Spurs. Or does the EPL get only 3 entrants into the UCL for the next two editions?


3.) 14 Feb 2020 20:00:49
THink it’s been confirmed it will go to the next highest Place team in the league, so 5th Place, providing city finishing the top four, will be a CL spot.


4.) 15 Feb 2020 08:54:12
Wouldn't surprise me if city just stop playing in the league. not literally but as in putting in any effort. What's the point now?


 

 

05 Feb 2020 17:15:50
Ed02, does Melissa Reddy actually have any inside knowledge that you know of please? Read what looked a great article from her in the Independent about Liverpool's summer plans but I noticed a few inconsistencies in what she said to what I heard on here. I. e. Salah isn't looking to leave (despite hearing his agent has been flaunting him around) and the Coutinho transfer came completely out of the blue as he had shown no intention to leave (been tapping up Neymar for over a year hadn’t he) .

Tom27

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea, I cannot answer for other who say things in the media. I have explained the Salah situation all the way through - I don't know what she has said that is different. Coutinho was a not out of the blue transfer as I had explained for more than 6 months what was going on and even named the hotel where a meeting was held during a wedding - people here simply said it wasn't true. I have no idea what she has said.}


1.) 05 Feb 2020 20:26:33
I think she mainly puts two and two together. As much as a fan I’d love to see Sancho or someone join if none of the first team leave its obvious we won’t be moving for a 80+million pound player.

Next season hopefully the likes of keita and Minamino get up to speed we know it took this group of players a few seasons to get to the standard they’re are currently plus Curtis Jones is hopefully only going to get better.


2.) 05 Feb 2020 20:26:37
Even without reading Ed002's posts on the matter, I don't know how anyone could describe Coutinho's move as 'out of the blue'. He was rumoured to want that move for about 2 years until he got it.


3.) 05 Feb 2020 22:25:05
Of course it wasn't out of the blue. We were on here treating about it for months. Little did we know it would transform us.


4.) 06 Feb 2020 06:45:13
People say they can't see us going for £80 million pound players but if that so I can only see us going for another summer of signing up great youth (elliott, Van den berg) along the lines of Bellingham from Birmingham. i don't have any real problem with this but if we are going to buy senior players good enough for this squad I think were looking at AT LEAST the £60m price range right up to £80 or £90m. People point to the prices paid for Mo, Sadio and Gini as if that's still the norm but the Neymar sale blew them kinda prices outa the water, more or less doubling players values.


5.) 06 Feb 2020 10:21:05
I reckon they'll settle back down a bit, I really do. And I think that has some bearing on our recent activity. Maybe not but. And its still possible to pick up bargains. Mino, shaq,


6.) 06 Feb 2020 10:17:12
Hi Ed01 and Ed02

I believe she (Mellisa Reddy) was 1 of the journalists Klopp briefed about his interest in Van Dijk, Brandt, Keita and Sessegnon in 2017.Am I correct?

{Ed002's Note - I would not have thought that the Liverpool supporters want to open up that rather sordid affair again.}


7.) 06 Feb 2020 10:18:15
I love Salah and if he wants to leave to pursue his dream then I support that too and will remain a fan.

But i don't think he's going anywhere next year purely as the people who can buy him don't have the money.

Madrid is stacked they have so many players, they just got hazard

Barcelona will get Neymar and that will be there big money buying

Will Salah want to go to PSG?

Bayern will not spend so much plus they want Sane and Kai Havertz.


 

 

 

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18 Sep 2020 20:37:39
I don’t get this panic over a first team player leaving. ‘Oh he would expect to be a starter’ at Wolves maybe but not liverpool. A team fighting for all trophies. He’s 23?! How about he’s coming in to transition into the team ahead of a future potential sale of mane / salah

The cash issue too. Yes we have a lot of cash outgoings this year but a massive new Secured loan facility unused that we could draw on. Perhaps we saw the signings around us and decided to tap into some of those funds to strengthen the team. Hell FSG are all about buying low and selling high so why would they allow us to drift away from our current position.

Ffp not an issue given past years performance and cash and profit are 2 completely different thing.

Would like to hear your view on this Ed002 please. Change of tact maybe from fsg? Adding a bit more external debt.

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05 Aug 2020 07:34:55
Oh I do get it Ed. Was just suggesting that they could sell a stake of it with the new investors also lending money to the club to invest on the field. Wouldn’t really be out of their pockets as such as the club would pay it back or it would come off the top if/ when sold. That’s if the club desperately needs cash but fsg are Struggling themselves.

I’m a big fan of fsg for what they’ve done for us but bet they’ll be struggling right now.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they did look to sell up to be honest. The value of LFC will be at a peak right now (if it wasn’t want due to C.V.) and I could imagine they’d want to de-risk themselves. They’d of come into this with a business plan to peak the value within 10 years say and then sell up to realise their return.

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{Ed002's Note - That is not going to happen. The club are no longer able to underwrite any further debt. FSG have very serious problems and they could potentially get far worse in the coming weeks. They will, as I have explained, not be making any panic sale of Liverpoolo but when the opportunity for growth flattens out they will look to sell and use the money elsewhere where the opportunity for growth has yet to be exploited.}


 

 

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04 Aug 2020 17:10:05
Not necessarily. Someone could buy the business and structure it so there was a capital investment In the club. I. e. £500m For 20% but £100m of it by way of cash into the club.

Working on a deal structure similar myself right now, although not at those levels!

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{Ed002's Note - You don't seem to get that the owners are investors and care primarily about their money - they have no intention of continuing to putting money in to the club once the growth has flat-lined - and right now they have serious financial difficulties.}


 

 

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31 Jul 2020 21:18:29
Sorry ed1 not wanting to disagree with you as I agree with what you are getting at but the club is not ‘loaded with debt’. Last accounts show a bank loan of £50m . £50m! United would give their left testy for that level of debt.

The issue is that fsg are quite rightly trying to run it like a sustainable business and not add debt to the company in these uncertain times. They have some big payments due - players and that £50m debt being repayable. They invested heavily in the beginning and are now trying to run is sustainably.

Spot on, on everything else though.

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{Ed001's Note - the debt is owed to FSG, not the banks. They have been loaning from the group to LFC rather than borrowing it from the banks.}


 

 

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29 Jul 2020 21:59:57
I’m not sure it’s all that severe. I do understand accounts and they are extremely strong. Next to no debt, lots of assets with a new facility setup where we can release funds against the assets of the club. BUT as with all businesses cash is king and it’s that we have a problem with at the minute. As I understand it there are some big player payments due and an existing loan is due to be repaid. Also, from something Ed said a while back, we may have been a little hasty in recognising revenue on something not earned yet and may not be now (coutinho fee maybe on the add ones? Am guessing butbwould of been daft if we did)

So we are going into a year with less revenue from stadiums being partially or fully closed to fans, a potential write off to make and no cash Without increasing debt.

We could always borrow money against that facility setup and buy Mbappe for £300m but that’s not how fsg roll and we certainly don’t want to go back where Hicks and Gillette left us. They are doing the right thing for the future of the club and I totally back them on it. Let things settle down and stick to a tight budget and flog a few to fund strengthening the squad In key areas (Lost on Thiago though as we don’t need cover there, but I trust klopp)

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04 Oct 2020 21:38:39
Haha I knew you’d reply to that one ed25! April 1963 against Tottenham. Think I’d have to leave the country if you lot won it.

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04 Oct 2020 21:28:39
Last time Liverpool concedes 7 goals Everton won the league . eek!

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05 May 2020 20:15:55
Got it now, there’s a £50m bank loan falling due in Sept 20. There’s a credit facility charged against the assets they could use, but you’d imagine they’d just refinance the senior debt. Shouldn’t be hard to do given the strength of the balance sheet.

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{Ed002's Note - There are significant payments for players falling due in June. The loan is recent - and involves all of the assets being mortgages - including those purchsed with CPOs - and it is not intended for transfers or for paying debts.}


 

 

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05 May 2020 20:04:59
Surprised at you mentioning debts falling due Ed. Just have been looking and then may 19 accounts and they looked really good. Net bank debt down to £12m and even the inter company debt (which I imagine is to fsg) came down £20m. They hardly looking a highly leveraged club?

Not got far in reading the accounts as yet though but am working through it it

Appreciate accounts are always out of date by the time they get published but don’t see why debt would of changed much?

Or is it transfer fee instalments that are payable?

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22 Feb 2020 23:08:36
Eh? No I meant we’ve qualified for next year as we are guaranteed to finish no lower than 4th.

It we hadn’t finished in the top 4 last season we would of been in it this season for having won It.

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