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09 Mar 2020 14:03:25
One for Ed001
With a lot of talk on here about replacing Firmino with a "proper, clinical striker", it confuses me that so many people see Firmino as our "striker". Would you agree that we play more of a 4-3-1-2, with Mane and Salah as wide forwards and Firmino generally deeper than them at the point of attacking?
The most famous example I would compare it to would be the Bayern team before they signed Lewendowski. They had Robben and Ribery either side of Muller, but I would say that Robben and Ribery were the main "attackers" in that team. Not quite the same, as Robben and Ribery probably scored less and Muller scored more, but as far as a system goes, it was similar in the attacking positions.
And just in case there's not much of this post for you to comment on, what do you think would be the biggest disadvantage to playing a more "stereotypical" number 9? Too much space to exploit in midfield? Not enough creativity reaching the front players? Less space for the wide forwards if they were more playing in a line?
It just confuses me why people can't see that the team works because of the roles everyone plays, and swapping a Firmino for a "striker" would be as big a change in the team as playing an ACM instead of Fabinho.
{Ed001's Note - you are right that it could be termed a 4-3-1-2, depending on where the ball is and how the opposition play. It is more a case of finding someone who understands the complexity and has the understanding Bobby has with both the midfield and other forwards.
They work together as a group, not as individuals, which is why it works so well. When one drops off or gets drawn out of position, there is always someone there to take up the space. When defending, they know how to cover each other.
Putting a central out and out box predator in there would just mean he would want to make the same runs Mane and Salah do, without anyone actually creating the space to make those runs. Someone needs to drop off and draw defenders out. Though sometimes it makes a midfielder drop deeper to cover and then it frees up space for the midfield to work in.
As we are up against deep-lying defences, there is no real space for a penalty box player to operate in anyway. The only real alternative would be to play a target man with strength in the air and look to him to just stay in position, which would mean the midfield would be weakened. Right now we dominate the midfield, without Firmino's pressing, space would open up for us to be attacked. There are so many permutations to consider to losing him, we couldn't play the same way without a like-for-like swap.}
1.) 09 Mar 2020 14:52:57
Thanks Ed001. Probably the best description you have ever given of what Firmino does for us and what bringing someone else to replace him would do to the way we play presently. People think in classical theory terms and assume that a strapping No.9 banging in the foals is the ideal. They fail to realize that we actually have 2 guys up front (Mane and Salah) banging in the goals, and that for tactical reasons we have a No. 9 who goes back into midfield to outnumber the opposing midfield in both offensive and defensive situations, and build up our play.
I'm for bringing Werner in, if it makes economic sense, but certainly not to change the way we play. It's up to him if he wants to sit on the bench for a year or so, or be part of a rotation with Salah and Mane. I strongly believe Salah's and Mane's game would be affected if Werner were brought in to replace Firmino and play between them. Not to mention the midfield having to work even harder than they already do. A lot of the appeal of bringing in Werner for me has to do with all 3 being in the same age group and may need replacing within as early as 2 years from now. So plenty of time to ease him into the system. Buying Werner and then loaning him back for a year (as I have read somewhere today) is not as bad an idea as it sounds. We still have a lot to benefit from our existing front 3 for at least 1-2 years.
{Ed001's Note - that age thing is the issue, but we did just bring in Minamino and there is Origi still there, plus Elliott. So I am not sure it is a priority right now. And thank you, it was only a quick sketch, it is hard to explain just how much difference it makes.}
2.) 09 Mar 2020 15:40:32
* Damn. I meant "banging in the goals'. I want our players to stay away from the foals.
3.) 09 Mar 2020 15:46:56
We want a forward to score more goals and we want that forward to do the same work that Bobby does. That forward was Bobby in 17/ 18 season. He proved then that he can score the goals alongside All the other things he offers. Looking at the goals he’s scored this season compared to the chances he’s missed and let’s be honest he’s probably scored the harder chances and missed quite a few of the easier ones. If 5-8 of those easier ones had gone in then perhaps there wouldn’t be such a debate now. I think the pressure of trying to score at home having not scored there all season might have gotten to him and he’s snatching at chances. I think once he gets that duck off his back then he will be a lot more relaxed and hopefully the goals will come again. Home as well as away.
4.) 09 Mar 2020 15:54:46
Bobby loves a big performance on a important European night. he'll be the match winner on Wednesday.
5.) 09 Mar 2020 16:42:49
In many games if you take the average position on the pitch Mane is no further forward than Firmino. Firmino has had more shots this season than Mane. Firmino is very near the top for the number of shots attempted in the premier league.
6.) 09 Mar 2020 16:51:07
I was thinking the same thing Kloppers!
7.) 09 Mar 2020 18:31:26
Of greater concern to me than this Firmino v “a striker” debate, are the massed 11 man defences that we’re routinely facing now.
It’s becoming common to see 19 players all packed into less than one half of a pitch.
In such situations, I’m not sure that any offensive formation matters much?
It’s bloody awful to watch too.
Maybe a magician is needed to prise open defences like that. Firmino has those skills certainly but I don’t know what the answer is.
Atletico are going to do exactly that though.
{Ed001's Note - the only way to do it is to be patient and wait for mistakes. Usually the best way to get them is to keep moving the ball around and working the defence until they get tired and make those errors. Other than that, your only choices are constantly throwing it into the box in the hope of winning the aerial battle, hitting shots from long range to try and entice the defence to come out and close down or having someone who can run with the ball and beat players to create a chance.
Keita, Lallana and Ox are supposed to do the latter but injuries has meant none of them have really settled into the team for a lengthy period.}
8.) 09 Mar 2020 19:03:24
Our system is not complicated cos what Ed01 is explaining, can be seen whenever we play. Bobbie is a world class forward. People should go read or listen to what guys like Pep, Jose and so on, rave about him. Bobbie is the striker Pep wishes he has instead of Aguero and esp. Jesus who if they are not scoring nor have the right service into them, they are almost useless on the pitch. Pep wishes Aguero could press, harry and track back the way Bobbie does, Ed01 said once and I believe him.
A "natural goalscorer" will simply destroy the system that allows Mane and Salah to flourish as Ed has said. Also, Bobbie may not be scoring but he does other jobs on the pitch as well like tracking the opposing DLP/ DM to stop them passing out of the back, facilitate the transition from midfield to attack by dropping deep and so on. For me, the system works well and has been for years so if Bobbie is going to be replaced or challenged, then get someone who can do all he does AND score more goals. If not, then Basta.
{Ed001's Note - to be fair, Aguero has improved massively since Pep arrived. Pep told him he wanted to sell him because he didn't press etc the way Pep wanted him to, so Aguero has tried to learn how to do it. He has become a much better player because of it.}
9.) 09 Mar 2020 20:03:12
i was hammered all the time for giving Hendo a hard time. Its because he wasn't playing very well and he was struggling with the so called number 6 role. He did suffer a little lack of confidence and as I said at the time, his heel injury was an issue.
But I am also the first to give him praise for his performances at the back end of last season and all of this season for taking his performances up a couple of levels. Magnificant.
My views on Firmino are the same, trier gives his all but is not playing at his top level and he hasn't really played at his top level for 2 seasons (barring a few games) . Some poster mention his performances in 2017/ 18 absolutly brilliant, even more work rate and far more end product. Since then he hasn't been at that level. I know they are both quality players I just want them to perform near their best levels.
10.) 09 Mar 2020 21:28:33
Mark08, Bobbie is "A trier and gives his all"? That is what you say when you think a player is not talented enuff to give you more than he is giving you so he compensates with effort and trying. Sorry, Bobbie is not a trier even tho you are welcome to such IMO, a very flawed opinion.
Bobbie is a world class forward. Well-respected by world class coaches like Pep and Jose and Klopp (I guess they are all mugs too and think he is trier) . He is now the starting CF for Brazil after deposing the useless Gabriel Jesus (per Ed01, only plays cos he is Neymar's mate) .
If you are rating Bobbie based on goals scored then you are missing the point completely. You are aware that Klopp knows that Bobbie is not prolific, right? So if that is true then why is Bobbie still respected as a world class CF? Why does Klopp keep playing him and created a whole unique system around a so called "trier" and why do his team mates love him? I'll let you respond.
11.) 10 Mar 2020 08:35:59
He is of course very talented just not playing that well this or last season.
12.) 10 Mar 2020 09:00:16
I get what you are saying Mark. Bobby hasn’t played to his peak consistently this season and last. I’m thinking it’s just a confidence thing. He is technically one of my favourite players to watch and he plays the key position for Liverpool. He just needs to work on his shooting accuracy. Tiny margins and all that. I would change Firmino for anyone else other than a slightly deadlier Firmino.
13.) 11 Mar 2020 03:24:06
Look at how benzema often dropped so Ronaldo or bale could benefit and be their most dangerous while this season he has been much more prolific when needed to be the main man for goals yet his side are worse off despite him being more prolific.
Dortmund lately used reus in the centre and sancho was in his most threatening form as a result but his impact was lowered when alcacer was used as the attack focal point despite his good goal record. Ibrahimovich notched 25 goals for Barcelona but the other players couldn't reach their best level as a result, icardi scored for fun at inter but the rest of the team struggled. Lukaku had a strong goal to game spell at United but others around him couldn't then perform. Spurs best period of form over last 2 seasons occurred last year when Kane was missing and son heung min, Lucas moura, dele alli, lamela became more effective. Look at guys like totti, Bergkamp, cantona, Zola, del piero Muller as examples of forwards who could have seasons hitting numbers like firmino yet their ability to play in a way which was effective for their teams success was admired.
23 Mar 2019 09:04:06
Quiet on here during international breaks eh? What's everyone's Liverpool goal of the season so far? I rate Mane's against Bayern, even though neuer made it easier for him.
1.) 23 Mar 2019 09:35:43
Salah vs Bournemouth away when he virtually walked it in.
Salah vs Bournemouth home when Firmino backheeled it to him.
Salah vs Napoli from the right angle.
Mane backheel vs Watford.
Mane chest and volley vs Man Utd.
Mane chip vs Bayern.
Mane chip vs Cardiff on the break.
Firmino turn in the box and finish vs PSG.
Firmino run and finish vs Arsenal.
Sturridge screamer vs Chelsea.
Arnold's free kick vs Watford.
Origi vs Wolves in the FA cup from outside the box.
I don't know mate 😂 take your pick. Probably Mane's backheel or Firmino sitting down the entire Arsenal defence.
2.) 23 Mar 2019 10:41:15
Goal of the season is an Origi tap in! The Sturridge strike at Chelsea and Manes backheel are my excellent, one eye Firmino v PSG was one of my fav moments of the season but Mane v Bayern (turn and chip) is probably the one I'd pick right now.
3.) 23 Mar 2019 10:54:03
Mane vs United was lovely, great pass from Fabinho superb finish. Probably the game that got Mourinho the sack too.
4.) 23 Mar 2019 14:12:07
Firmino's run against Arsenal was so good that it made Torreira fall over whilst he was at least 8 yards away from it.
5.) 23 Mar 2019 14:27:09
On reflection, firmino against arsenal was a cracker, forgot about that one.
6.) 23 Mar 2019 14:52:59
Some great goals this season. What about assists? I think Pickfords assist for Origi’s goal was my favourite. Pickford kept our title hopes alive that day.
7.) 23 Mar 2019 19:04:47
Sturridge screamer vs Chelsea. Nothing else even close except Origi for what it meant.
8.) 23 Mar 2019 20:02:00
Origi against Everton.
9.) 23 Mar 2019 20:16:29
Definitely the Origi goal against Everton.
10.) 23 Mar 2019 22:26:10
Origi's goal vs Everton. That was orgasmic.
11.) 24 Mar 2019 08:38:50
I was at Stamford Bridge for Sturridges goal and nearly got my head kicked in as in the moment I forgot I wasn’t in the away end. Probably celebrated that goal more than any other iv seen on tv this season haha oops! Although I’m tempted to go with Mane’s backheel just for the pure audacity of it especially as you could see from the replay that he deliberately hit it into the ground to dink it over the keeper!
28 Feb 2019 13:31:29
Ed001, a quick question regarding Robertson if you've got the time.
I've noticed previously, mainly from when he was with Hull and playing with Scotland, that Robbo's crosses are SO much better and accurate when he can curl a ball in from deeper. I noticed it again last night with a peach of a ball for the final goal.
Do you feel that part of his problem with the erratic/ dross crossing is that he struggles to get a decent ball in on the move, and at a straighter angle? Would he, and in turn the team, benefit from him dropping off slightly during attacks and delivering from a deeper position?
It just seems to me that he has far more control when he can take a second to say "thats where i want it to go, if I whip in a curler i can avoid x and y defenders".
This is almost certainly true of all crossers of the ball, but I wondered if it could be more utilised since there's such a drop-off in quality of his crossing on the run/ straight into the box?
Thanks, 10 more wins to go!
{Ed001's Note - yes mate, exactly. He needs to concentrate on his control rather than just whipping it in. A lot of full backs are the same, rushing forward too early and missing the chance to just be in position to play a proper cross.}
1.) 28 Feb 2019 13:44:17
Great post, great answer.
2.) 28 Feb 2019 14:20:19
Bang on the money this. He also his a ball better when its comign to him, which can be the harder technique but executes it better than a standign ball.
3.) 28 Feb 2019 17:28:52
He should look before he puts the cross in. Most of the time he wips in a powerfull fast ball across the face of the goal without putting his head up and checking where the attackers are.
4.) 28 Feb 2019 17:39:50
Am I the only one who thinks he is a very limited average full back! Aimless running with no end product. I like full backs taking on their man and cutting it back.
Just my opinion.
5.) 28 Feb 2019 17:56:40
Yes, JAN. You are prolly the only one as there is nothing average nor limited about Robbo's game. Can he improve and are there flaws to his game? Of course BUT that's about where it ends. He is a very good young FB like TAA on the other side. With time, they will improve. Average or limited? That would be reserved for poor footballers like Walker and Mendy. Both great athletes BUT poor footballers who lack a footballing brain. Just my opinion.
6.) 28 Feb 2019 17:57:56
"Am I the only one who thinks he is a very limited average full back"
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If he is limited average then wonder what he can do if he was above average. He has the most assists for any full back in the premier league, so these aimless crosses or whatever you lot are calling it are serving a very good purpose .
7.) 28 Feb 2019 18:10:32
Who is better in the PL?
I read he has 8 assists more than any of our other players. Not sure if true but maybe proves he is doing ok going forward. We have our best ever premier league defence and I wouldn't swoop Robbo for any of our other PL left backs. It is the hardest position to play, you have to be 2 players in one.
8.) 28 Feb 2019 18:15:06
AVERAGE! I’ve heard it all now. A few below at games and suddenly your average! 😂.
9.) 28 Feb 2019 18:55:25
Alba and Marcelo are certainly prettier with their technical ability. But robbos output ever sonce the Man City game 4-3 last season has been second to none in the world.
10.) 28 Feb 2019 19:19:02
JAN, “Aimless running with no end product”? Robbo has an impressive number of assists this season, of course (8 so far, only 2 behind the leading player Hazard and 1 behind Eriksen, Sané, Sterling, Pogba and Fraser) but why let the facts get in the way of your prejudices and negativity? If you had watched just our last 2 PL home games you would have seen an excellent through ball for Wijnaldum to score against Bournemouth and an excellent cross for Van Dijk to score against Watford. Or don’t they count as ‘end product’ in your version of the game?
11.) 28 Feb 2019 19:52:39
And a Reckless Tackle right on the stroke of Half Time against Leicester resulting in a free kick from which Maguire scored, which cost us 2 points. We would now have a 3 point lead instead of one, how much it will cost us ultimately, will only be determined at the end of the season, if we come short by one point Fans will remember his one "assist" for city rather than the impressive assists for LFC, and hopefully more assists to come this season.
12.) 28 Feb 2019 20:14:38
007,
Yes he can be a bit reckless at times BUT a lot happened between the kick being taken and the goal being scored. Robbo wasn't in the defensive line on his own.
13.) 28 Feb 2019 20:11:21
007, if you want to concentrate on Robbo’s occasional mistakes (and name me one player who has never made a mistake) rather than all the good things he contributes to the team, then go ahead but I am pretty sure that you will be in a minority amongst Liverpool supporters. It is quite frankly laughable that real Liverpool supporters (rather than the fair weather hangers-on) would hold Robbo responsible if we do come up short which, by the way, I don’t think will be the case.
14.) 28 Feb 2019 20:19:22
I think he has struggled because I put him in my fantasy football team at xmas. I took mane out and put Salah in, guess what Salahs scoring has slowed and mane can't stop scoring. So basically it is my fault. I took aubameyang out last week.
15.) 28 Feb 2019 20:28:22
Give your head a wobble harry, his work rate alone is world class, you must have missed the delivery for virgils second? Oh and he's still young and developing.
16.) 28 Feb 2019 20:43:44
Well said WW.
Can I just point out as well, when the choice was Ben Mendy or Andy Robbo I wonder how many fans would have chosen Robbo. Less than 1%? This is why football is brilliant. In Klopp we trust.
17.) 28 Feb 2019 20:55:15
Ask the fans at Anfield, always always gets a rousing reception. He’s a 100%er. Never gives less than 100% effort and commitment 👍.
18.) 28 Feb 2019 20:57:20
Every player makes mistakes, forwards miss chances, midfielders give the ball away, defenders concede free kicks.
To blame Robertson for us dropping 2 points at home to Leicester is just ridiculous. The foul was conceded almost on the touchline, there were multiple chances for us to clear the ball, no one was picking up Maguire and there was still the whole of the second half to play.
This sort of uneducated blaming of a player for a defeat when they make one mistake during the course of a 90 minute match really is laughable.
19.) 28 Feb 2019 21:49:47
Spot on, SmegHead and WW. They do the same thing with Lovren, Hendo and who ever they don't like. They pick the one game or few games a mistake was made while conveniently forgetting the great things they have done in many other games and use it to put them down. It smacks of intellectual dishonesty pathetic scapegoating.
If you want to judge a player, judge them on their body of work over a long period of time. Failure to do that means you have no real argument to make about your judgement of the play so you resort to nitpicking which everyone knows, does not prove a damn thing.
20.) 28 Feb 2019 22:08:39
Ed025, how come ye never let me defend myself with regard to the "Wirral Wonder Boy/ Girl " post, or will me and you only know the Truth?
{Ed025's Note - i dont know what you mean to be honest mate
21.) 28 Feb 2019 23:02:52
I really do not know what level of cloud cuckoo land some people live in. Even at the beginning of this season I was still a little unsure of Robbo's poential, but the lad just keeps getting better and better. He may have had a few slightly off matches, but if there is a more improved player in the league over the last year I can not think of them.
Robertson would not look out of place in any team in world football right now. That is not something I thought I'd say this time last year. So, when people expect so much more of him, I do not know who they are comparing him to because very few players, if any, would be doing a better job overall than he is.
22.) 28 Feb 2019 23:03:32
007, in these days of tricky gender politics, feel free to address me as either Wirral Wonder Boy or Wirral Wonder Girl and I will do my best to be gender fluid. But to be honest Wirral Wonder Arl Fella is nearer the mark.
{Ed033's Note - Are you Diana Prince? :)
23.) 28 Feb 2019 23:09:57
Every single goal we have conceded this season has been from a mistake then . Someone would have had to have conceded possession for the opposition to get the ball so let’s not start blaming Robbo if we don’t win the league. We win as a team and we lose as a team.
24.) 01 Mar 2019 04:08:57
unless a player's skill and execution is so terribly bad, as long as they are a 100%er then I'm ok with them. that's what has made me turn on sturridge for the worst and has led to have soft spots for the unheralded guys like Lucas and Moreno. Robbo fits this for me too.
26 Dec 2018 19:47:09
Absolutely buzzing with our season so far, but cannot start counting chickens yet. Spurs look like real challengers, and if i'm right (first time for everything! ) I think Spurs have a lot of home games to play in the second half of the season because of their stadium debacle. Just got to keep focused on getting those wins.
1.) 26 Dec 2018 20:32:28
Spurs have 10 more home games we have 9 so it's not really an advantage they have. Plus all them Derby games the London clubs have.
2.) 26 Dec 2018 22:49:00
Great to see them still in the hunt, Poch spent nothing in the summer and they’ve Wembley, two great teams, managers at the top.
3.) 26 Dec 2018 23:48:17
Spurs have to go to City, Chelsea and Anfield so there goes their perceived advantage. Also, remember that they lost to both us and City at home already so those are points they can't get back unless they beat both of us and City which will be NO cakewalk. Either way, I don't care for other teams nor what they do. I am focused on us and what we are doing and if we continue to take care of our own business, NOTHING else will matter. The next game is the most important one and we should focus on Arsenal.
11 Mar 2018 19:47:46
Away from the "we suck - no you suck for saying we suck" daily grind, this is one for ED001. I was speaking to an old friend of my dad's over the weekend, who used to have strong ties with the club. He was telling me an anecdote about Phil Thompson. He said that as a young player, he had such a love for playing the game that, even after he signed professional terms for the club, he used to try and play with the local amateur teams as often as he could, playing with boys he grew up with, and that the club actually had to tell him to stop. I only know Thommo the pundit as he was before my time, but it was nice to hear about his love of football. Can't imagine too many youngsters these days doing that, too much money for youngers see them think of football as their career at an age where they should be playing just cuz they love playing.
He also told me he's good friends with Stevie Mac's dad, and that Macca is a really good lad and has looked after his dad after his mum died etc.
I could have talked to him all weekend, but unfortunately, as it was a big family event we were at, I had to spread myself about and didn't get as much time with him as i would have liked, but it was so cool to chat to someone with real connections to Liverpool of the past.
He's also the reason my dad has a signed '77 European Cup winning team ball, so he was already pretty high in my estimations!
I don't really have a reason for this post, but as I don't know too many Liverpool supporters up here, i wanted to share. So to make it open to everyone, feel free to share your anecdotes about current or past players, or anyone you know with links to the club who you just love listening to. Weekend's done, let's change the subject lads.
{Ed001's Note - actually most kids would play more but they are usually banned in the contract they have to sign to get in the youth academy. It usually limits their activities to a ridiculous amount.}
1.) 12 Mar 2018 00:05:11
Thanks for the post - nice to read this kind of stuff rather than the recriminations that come after every defeat.
2.) 12 Mar 2018 05:07:02
Ed001, what are your views on the professional clubs in England limiting the playing time of the youngsters in that way?
It seems like a lot of the world class talents (Messi, Suarez, Ronaldo) all crafted their skill from playing hundreds and hundreds of hours of football in the streets as a kid - surely the English clubs can take a lesson from this or are they fearful that they may get injured while not playing for the club?
Red Sandman.
{Ed001's Note - they are fearful of injuries but it is a huge mistake. The best sportspeople around the world have usually played a large number of sports in their youth which has aided their development. Johan Cruyff and Michael Jordan were both excellent baseball players before giving it up to concentrate on their chosen sport, Steve McManaman was an excellent cross-country runner, Thibaut Courtois was very good at handball and there are many, many others. Kids learn best through play and they can learn so much by taking part in other sports.
Kids get so little time to play outside these days, they are so often playing video games, so much so that Man Utd's academy has had to develop courses in basic things we all used to learn when we were children. Even silly things like how to fall without hurting yourself, we all learnt from falling out of trees or similar, they are now having to give classes in it. Anything they do which does not involve sitting on their backside should be encouraged.
If they are fearful of the environment in which those other sports and games take place, then the academies should organise themselves to provide the outlet for them. The problem is that there is still too little done in English football with regards to personal development and coaching with anything other than old school beliefs. England is always reactionary, that is why it gets behind the times in terms of new developments in the sport and then has to catch up.
There is still a lot of catching up to be done in terms of coaching, there are still not enough coaches around. As Johan Cruyff said, you would see 3 different coaches as a golfer, one player, 3 coaches, but in football you can have 25 players being coached by one man. It is ridiculous. Players are individuals and should have a lot more one-on-one coaching sessions. Cruyff would find the time to do them when he was in management why, with all the money available, do English clubs not do the same?}
13 Dec 2019 14:08:58
I'm so happy about this, I've already got a statue erection for Klopp!
06 Aug 2019 13:16:55
Glad to have him back, and should get more game time this season as a few forward players have left this season.
Probably good for his state of mind that he wasn't involved in the Nomads game!
05 Aug 2019 13:18:46
Don't see any downside to this deal for any parties (apart from perhaps West Ham) . Migs gets to go play 1st team football in his home country, Liverpool probably saving a fair amount of wages with Adrian instead of Migs, and a decent transfer fee, and a good back up goalie, and Adrian gets to sign for the reigning Champions of Europe and get cup run outs and the occasional start in the league, probably on better wages than he was on with West Ham.
17 Jul 2019 13:41:54
Funster70 and Weston90 posting almost exactly the same post, that's just lazy whoever you are!
How do all these people know how much Barcelona still owe Liverpool?
15 Jul 2019 13:33:33
Really see no upside to that deal for Barcelona, if it was just an option to buy. A commitment to buy would make more sense, especially if there was also a considerable loan payment made, but a) that's not what the article says and b) I don't think it's true in any way.
26 May 2020 11:33:09
Alisson
Trent
Coulibaly
Virg
Robbo
Verratti
Kante
De bruyne
Mbappe
Lewandowski
Mane
Subs
Oblak
Kimmich
Alaba
Fabinho
Salah
Messi
Firmino.
17 May 2020 10:21:08
I'm a bit confused about what we must have offered him if we've tapped him up, if he's so determined to join us that he won't listen to any other clubs, especially when it sounds like other huge clubs are interested in him. free earplugs for life perhaps.
01 May 2020 08:42:51
Good luck mate, hope you get her story out there, sounds like a great granny you had. As long as you celebrate her and keep her in your mind and heart, that's all that matters.
22 Apr 2020 08:24:00
I got the slow clap once, oh the shame!
18 Apr 2020 09:05:00
With the financial issues this whole thing will bring up, maybe youngsters will see more playing time.