Liverpool Banter Archive September 14 2017

14 Sep 2017 21:17:25
So what's everyones view on the collection that is supposed to be taken at the burnley game to fly a "klopp out" banner over anfield at the next home game?

Pathetic if you ask me, hopefully they get told where to shove their collection by anyone they approach.

{Ed025's Note - i would be very surprised if that happened ashy, and if it did then you dont deserve him mate..

14 Sep 2017 21:24:21
Modern day trash supporters if that is the case.

{Ed025's Note - absolutely max..

14 Sep 2017 21:26:55
There is no collection happening! Where did you see / hear this?

14 Sep 2017 21:26:59
Attention seeking, sad acts if true!
Instead there should be a collection for a banner with "Support Your Own Team You Ungrateful, uneducated buffoons! " I'd use harsher words but it probably wouldn't be posted lol.

{Ed025's Note - your right it wouldn,t kev..

14 Sep 2017 21:28:34
Ignore mate, ain't going to happen.

14 Sep 2017 21:31:39
I'm chipping in for a a koeman in banner ed.

{Ed025's Note - love it benny..

14 Sep 2017 21:32:25
I hope they make the mistake of approaching us 🤕.

14 Sep 2017 21:38:08
Let me be honest here, even when Hodgson was in charge I did not go to the extent of belittling our club like some our 'fans' did.

There was no doubt that Hodgson was going to be sent packing. Nature takes it's course.

H and G were a disease that made the club rotten but fact is, GREEDY Moores was the reason this club went into the dark ages.

The burning of American flags outside of Anfield was just pitiful to watch.

14 Sep 2017 21:40:25
That's got to be bull

14 Sep 2017 21:55:23
I want klopp to stay. Yes he needs to get his defence sorted I think he would if he just stopped rotating but fans saying klopp out need to think who would we realistically replace him with?!

14 Sep 2017 21:57:51
I suspect said collection will struggle to get £25 for a small quadcopter drone, much less enough to hire an actual aircraft.

14 Sep 2017 22:00:53
It's a joke. Surely it's a joke.

Where in the champions league. That was his target. We haven't lost in the champions league yet.

14 Sep 2017 22:07:11
I'd imagine this story has been started by rival fans looking for a bite. I'll be at the game on Saturday if anyone asks me for money for a Klopp out banner they'll get a mouthful of obscenities from me.

14 Sep 2017 22:09:26
I'd love to know where the OP got this information from, it's got to be twitter.

14 Sep 2017 22:17:19
Can we start a collection to fund a new back 4 in January instead.

14 Sep 2017 22:19:53
the banner there flying klopp out stands for---Keep--Liverpool--Opinions--Pleasant--Please---Occasionally--Utter--Trash. 😁.

14 Sep 2017 22:21:04
It does look like its come from a group on twitter called kloppout.
Theyve put mock up of the banner on there too, saying they wanna fly it over anfield next month.
Like you guys say its probably bull coming from twitter but some people are dicks so u never know.

15 Sep 2017 00:04:41
We could chip in to have another plane following towing a banner saying 'Of This World'🤓.

15 Sep 2017 00:21:03
Carra tweeted a screenshot of Phil Neviles page, showing a screenshot of Koemans Twitter page,

Apparently Koeman answers questions directly after each game.

I was as rough as I think could be,

Neville was complaining that it wasn't fair

Carra's comment was
'Simply Lovely'

15 Sep 2017 01:24:40
I'd chip in for a couple of new CBs. However, flying banners telling the owners to get rid of Klopp is downright pathetic. I hope nothing of the sort happens at Anfield any time soon. We need the 3 points against Burnley, not the fans pulling off some nonsense that will bring the morale of Klopp and his team down.

15 Sep 2017 09:35:37
If anything like that ever happened, those who funded it should be exposed for the traitors they are and hounded out of Anfield any time we have a home game. Has Klopp made mistakes? Yes. Is he learning from them and trying to fix them? Yes as he wanted VVD and to a lesser extent Koulibaly at CB. He also wanted Keita in midfield to strengthen there. So that shows that he is trying to fix things BUT some people still can't/ refuse to see that cos they are only interested in being right even if that means our manager fails. Disgusting lot, really.

Has he improved us from the dross BR left us with where we were stuck in neutral? ABSOLUTELY and it will be a process where there will be highs and lows cos like it or not, LFC are not dominant anymore both domestically and in Europe and we don't have 300m to drop on players every season. We have CL footie for only the 2nd time in almost a decade. That in itself should tell the whole story. Up the Pool and in Klopp I trust.

{Ed025's Note - good post that bingo..

15 Sep 2017 09:45:56
Well said Ed025 and everyone. YNWA.

15 Sep 2017 09:46:53
How can people not see this is a load of mancs trying to goad us?

15 Sep 2017 12:08:21
There is no situation where those plane messages aren't pathetic.

{Ed025's Note - i agree mate..

15 Sep 2017 15:40:02
I heard wenger is flying the plane.

What a load of rubbish. We have lost ONE game. That's it. One game all season.

14 Sep 2017 20:32:59
I have a " Lapse " of Concentration can anyone help please ( ed25 Hopefully ) .

Evertons Managers name is Ronald KONMAN isn't it?

P. S. Sorry ED25 you me favourite ED hope it doesn't sway our friendship.

{Ed025's Note - its fair game after that showing 007, i dont have a problem with a bit of stick where its due mate...and god how thats due..

15 Sep 2017 00:23:17
Or Goeman go,
As the king used to sing,

15 Sep 2017 09:53:03
Ed25, I would never kick a man when he's down. We love you to death and for sure, you don't deserve the incompetent fraud you have as manager at the moment. Keep your head up, bro. You may be a Blue BUT to many of us on here, you will always be welcome on the red side of Merseyside.

14 Sep 2017 20:11:12
We need to bring in another 3 quality players imo to stand any chance of competing regularly. Top class GK is definitely needed, top class CB and a top class CDM then for me I'd get another winger in on top of that. And it'll be the strongest side we've had for a long time. Question for eds, I know we haven't been looking at keepers. But if you could pick a realistic keeper for LFC who would it be and why?

{Ed001's Note - Ward, because he looked well suited to the way we play.}

14 Sep 2017 20:25:14
I think Karius suits the way we play to a T as well and yesterday's game showed that tho, he did not have anything to do. So for me, it would be Karius tho, he has to do more. Haven't seen enough of Ward BUT he is very talented. What we DO know is that Migs is crap and has been crap through out his career so he needs to be binned so we don't have to deal with him anymore and focus on working wiht both young lads.

{Ed001's Note - I haven't seen Karius having to make a save or anything, whereas I have seen a few matches of Ward under pressure at Huddersfield. That was why I picked Ward, rather than Karius.}

14 Sep 2017 20:27:12
Bloody hell, dropping Mignolet for good would be a good start to starting of fresh and repairing the rot.

There can be no sentiment here, Mignolet has shown season after season that he just is not good enough. It is there for every living organism involved at Liverpool to see. Klopp seriously needs to drop this BS of 'rotating' GK's.

Mignolet gets dropped for a reason and then you see him sulking on the bench. Do GK's need a rest? Ha ha.

Swallow that bitter pill Klopp.

14 Sep 2017 20:38:07
I say definitely give ward a go the other too have had chances ward deserves it.

14 Sep 2017 20:52:09
Gotta give Karius and Ward their chance/ chances as Mignolet has had 4 plus seasons and has never looked secure. Sure you could argue his defence has been poor in front of him, but he hasn't done much either. A couple of penalty saves which is great and one great save at Stoke in 4 full seasons doesn't justify keeping him in the team.
Karius and Ward could be our keepers for the next 6 to 10 years if we start to get them in now.

14 Sep 2017 21:13:21
Ward is the best we've got IMO 🤝.

14 Sep 2017 22:19:09
Agree with you Ron I watched Ward closely when he was on loan at Aberdeen. His distribution was excellent, shot stopping was spot on, he commanded his box well and handled the physical and ariel threats from opposition teams. Aberdeen fans loved him and they are a hard lot to please. He is also 2 years older since then.

15 Sep 2017 00:28:50
2 centre halves.

Naiby Keita and someone to rotate with Firminio,

The spine of the team.

14 Sep 2017 21:51:58
Cheers ed and fellow reds. Definitely would like to see Ward given a chance or Karius given a run of games. Ward was very good for Huddersfield last year. Hopefully one of these will prove their worth and be a quality keeper for us! YNWA.

15 Sep 2017 01:27:28
I'd still stick with Karius for now Ed001. He is yet to be seriously tested in the shot stopping department but the looks promising in other areas. Coming off his line on time, collecting crosses, even kicking looks way more confident that calamity Migs. Ward will have to wait till Karius has a couple of stinkers (which I hope not) and Klopp should do the right thing and ship off Migs to a willing buyer in January.

15 Sep 2017 01:28:49
Lfcder, we have Solanke and Sturridge to rotate with Firmino. Solanke will throw a fit if Klopp signs another striker. The lad came here for first team football, not to play with the under 23s.

15 Sep 2017 09:42:53
In the long run personally I'd be looking at butland.

15 Sep 2017 10:01:51
No prob, Ed. Karius or Ward should be the ones we go with right now cos as long as Migs is here, he will be a distraction and an accident waiting to happen. A$ seasons of failure is enough for me. Bin the guy and move on.

14 Sep 2017 18:50:53
Just to change the text a bit for you ED01, if we could add any player from the current crop of premiership players, who would it be?

Doesn't have to be a realistic option.

Harry, a challenge for you, try to pick someone who wasn't born in Croatia ;)

{Ed001's Note - either Kante or Ndidi. Kante preferably.}

14 Sep 2017 19:07:14
Out of interest ed, how come you didn't go for a defender?

Is it because you don't think there's many that stand out in the prem, or just Kante would improve us that much you couldn't not pick him?

{Ed001's Note - there is only Kompany in the Prem that is a top class defender in a high line and he is always injured, so I went for a midfielder who would protect the defence instead. Plus Kante is probably the best in the world at what he does and we need someone like him in midfield. Someone who doesn't just want to run forward to get on the end of everything. A team player who picks and chooses his moments.}

14 Sep 2017 19:07:30
Matic. And we will be rock solid in the middle. With him I am ready to see out this season with our current CB's.

14 Sep 2017 19:12:52
Personally I would say Alderweireld.

Excellent defender, which is what we're missing, has leadership qualities and the ability to play a high line!

I do think De Bruyne is phenomenal too but I chose Alderweireld as we have so many players in De Bruyne's position currently.

{Ed001's Note - oh shoot I completely forgot about Alderweireld! I take back what I just said. I would take him.}

14 Sep 2017 19:21:20
Good question! Initially I thought that spurs defender but I think I'd take harry kane. Simply because he scores lots of goals. And he is English. Alderweireld is a good shout though and in our system he would work better than kane I guess.

14 Sep 2017 19:24:17
I will mix it up then and say De Gea 😂 who needs a defence anyway? United went about 4 years without one with De Gea in goal.

14 Sep 2017 19:24:48
Well, Alderweireld does not seem to want to put pen to a new deal at Spurs so would a bid for him be out of the question?

Our defence would immensely be improved. If we were going to be willing to pay an arm and leg for VVD then we can do the same throwing that kind of money Levy's way?

14 Sep 2017 19:43:46
Alderweireld for me as well, no point in Kante with Keita coming in.
I was tempted to pick a keeper though.

14 Sep 2017 20:02:22
Could see Pep break the bank to get Alderweireld.

14 Sep 2017 20:13:29
Alderwiereld for me too. Would of been happy with van dijk. Both would be even better!

14 Sep 2017 20:02:05
I actually got Ed001 to agree with me!

What do I win Ed? 😜.

{Ed001's Note - a night of passion with Ed007.}

14 Sep 2017 20:28:50
I would pay 70m for Alderweireld before over VVD, any day and twice on Sundays. He is also a leader, very vocal and a class act on the pitch. He is the commander of that Spurs back line and he is quality. He wants to get paid what he's worth and the fact that he's on 60k a week while Lovren is o n 100k, is criminal.

14 Sep 2017 19:06:44
De Gea.

14 Sep 2017 21:01:57
Alderweireld had a loan spell at Southampton so it's amazing we never bid for him then. As we've tried signing everyone else who has worn a saints shirt.

{Ed025's Note - pity you never went for koeman when he was there jayden..

14 Sep 2017 21:21:11
Ha ha Ed025, that cracked me up.

I am sure you will still be ok this season, mid table I guess. One thing I can say is that I do not want to see you guys relegated as the derby is still one of my favourites.

Not as good as seeing Liverpool smash UTD though ;-)

14 Sep 2017 21:22:08
They can have most of them back too Jayden.

14 Sep 2017 21:48:34
De Gea.

14 Sep 2017 22:25:15
Don't worry max, there is a reason fat Sam didn't take the palace job!

14 Sep 2017 23:13:59
I knew even if he wasn't Croatian Harry, you'd pick someone ending in 'ic'.

Alderwereild would be my choice.

15 Sep 2017 01:30:14
Alderweireld all day long. If there is one Cb that's worth 70 million, its Alderweireld and not VVD. Unfortunately the player himself will be looking for a team better than Spurs and will pay massive wages which LFc cannot offer right now so its a pipe dream.

15 Sep 2017 10:04:32
IB, if we can pay the Ox and Lovren 125k and 100k respectively, pretty sure we can get Alderweireld for 140k as that is what Benteke was rumored to be on (yeah, don't ask me how that shambles happened) .

15 Sep 2017 10:05:22
Bailly for me, I think he's probably the best centre back in the league at the minute.

14 Sep 2017 18:46:20
Ha ha ha looks like the whole City can't defend. Everton getting plenty in Italy.

14 Sep 2017 19:01:58
To be quite honest, none of the top teams can hold their heads up high when it comes to defending this season.

14 Sep 2017 19:06:45
People thought i was joking when i said their defence was worse than ours. Baines, Keane, Williams, Jagielka, Funes Mori, Martina etc. All not good enough. Coleman will likely never be the same. They have some great kids (Galloway, Kenny, Pennington, Holgate, Browning etc) but their senior options in defence are all shot to bits.

It's sad really because i want to see them do well but they've recruited so poorly. A shocking defence, a striker with only a season or two left and loads of similar midfielders. They must feel like us the year Rodgers had Johnson, Can, Skrtel, Sakho and Moreno at the back, Lambert up front and about 15 attacking midfielders. Deary me.

14 Sep 2017 19:15:55
They made a terrible mistake in buying Rooney. He was finished ages ago!

14 Sep 2017 19:08:06
Has anyone seen Ed025 lately 😄😄😄. Oh my darling Ed. Where are you?

{Ed025's Note - watching everton making a show of themselves harry..

14 Sep 2017 19:41:44
Thank God we never got Michael Keane he makes Lovren/ Klavan look like Beckenbauer.

P. S. Is Jurgen " KLAVAN " a Laugh " with his defensive selections!

14 Sep 2017 19:42:43
Are you reading the posts from your supporters mate? Worse than what you saw here mate? Football supporters are emotionally connected! They love their team more than their lives hence their honest frustrations! It might be annoying but trust me they love their team hard core ☺️☺️. Good luck to the return leg mate!

{Ed025's Note - of course i read them harry, they are frustrated not just because of the result but the lack of organisation and passion which is unforgivable, losing i can live with but lack of effort or pride in the shirt is not on mate..

14 Sep 2017 20:34:39
Ed25, I was telling you that Koeman was a fraud and completely incompetent and you were cautiously optimistic about this season. The players he signed were crap and your CB's are either crap over the hill or both (Williams is not a patch on Klavan which shows you how awful he is) and we all knew that and the signs were there already. The Roo signing was the one that took the biscuit for me. Koeman will get your boys relegated if he does not turn it around ASAP. Both clubs are not doing the business right now, overall and we'd both better wake up.

{Ed025's Note - i dont think liverpool and everton can be compared to be honest bingo, yes you have a couple of flaws but are a very strong attacking unit, we on the other hand look like a poor championship side mate..

15 Sep 2017 01:35:45
Everton missed a trick not signing a wide player and striker. But 3 attacking midfielders signed with a big portion of the Lukaku money is blatant lunacy. Don't get me started with their defense. Keane, Jagielka, Williams? Oh Dear
Matip, Lovren and Klavan look pretty decent players compared to that lot.

14 Sep 2017 22:59:44
You're not that bad 025, you're just on a tricky spell.
Everton will do well this season IMO, you're the dark horses 👍.

{Ed025's Note - i really wish i could believe that ron, i know its very early in the piece but im finding it difficult to name an area that gives me hope, im usually a positive person and have a go at supporters for being negative but our last 3 games has revealed that there is not a single area that we can build on and say at least we have a platform to start from, its a very worrying time for all us blues but we just have to believe a light will come on and things will just click, so its over to you mr koeman..

15 Sep 2017 12:32:01
i have to say Ed.25 that your recruitment really made no sense. your bought 4 players who want to play the same position. you miss bolasie. i would give Lookman a proper go, get some pace in the team as that is something you seriously lack ATM. not having a proper striker is a real problem. Martina isn't really good enough for a stop gap until Colemans fit and Keane might not be as good as first thought.

once Bolasie is back and Koeman manages to work out his best 11 and they get some understanding it will improve. but at the moment it is like they are a bunch of strangers it was always going to be too many signings IMO.

{Ed025's Note - to be honest i think you have summed it up perfectly ste, not what i wanted to hear of course but the truth will out mate..

14 Sep 2017 18:29:58
After seeing so many posts slagging our defence I just thought it would be worth pointing something out.

Every player makes regular mistakes on a pitch. Granted, our defence are prone to making atleast 1 per game but keepers, midfielders AND strikers make them.

Strikers screw up in one on one situations with a keeper, midfielders misplace a pass or hold onto the ball for too long and lose it.

Problem is, as a defender, 9 times out of ten if you make a mistake you get punished for it.

There are plenty of times our average defenders have looked solid and then one lapse of concentration leads to a goal.

Don't get me wrong I'd love to replace lovren matip and klaven but the point is this, we know that they're a liability at times but until January atleast, they are our only options. We wanted a new CB and we screwed it up. Move on.

If a stiker misses chance after chance (as had happened this season already) they won't get slated for it.

I see a post earlier saying that if they were Mane, Salah or Firmino they would be fuming of our defence.

That could be swung around. If chances were taken, the odd mistake leading to a goal wouldn't matter so much because we'd have a 2 or 3 goal advantage already!

Football teams have 11 players, they are ALL responsible for what happens on the pitch!

14 Sep 2017 18:53:50
They're not just making mistakes though, they're almost forgetting how to play their roles.
Matip seems to want to play full back or midfielder for example.
e's getting easily sucked out of position because the midfield 3 tend to all go missing from their central positions for whatever reason as well.
It's not difficult to see that the midfield go AWOL, the defenders then get dragged all over the place to make up for it and we get caught with Moreno asleep and not alert to cover the missing CBs (Matip tends to move forward, Lovren tends to come across to cover and then there's a gaping hole that Moreno doesn't seem able to see with a forward standing there to tap in or 3 forwards in the case of City's second goal) .
It's playground stuff all round and just basic defending.
I actually don't think it's hard to fix but who am I to say that?!

14 Sep 2017 20:46:04
OIrish, I agree with your post BUT people need to stop blaming Moreno or any other player for Lovren crapping his pants on the first goal. ity's just unfair. Lovren will be the first one to tell you that he is the SOLE responsible for that goal and no one else. Not a sould in the ground could have known he would screw up on that play. I'm sure even the Sevilla players were dumbfounded. The recriminations need to stop and so does the blame game esp. if the player does not deserve it.

14 Sep 2017 21:45:09
Bingo - as a defender, Moreno should always expect the worst case scenario - fact!
Ask any good coach, this is a basics of good defending.
The opposite if you're a striker - you should always anticipate the best so you're ready to poach.
The Sevilla striker anticipated a mistake or the ball to reach him one way or another, Moreno did not anticipate the ball coming across.
He has done it a few times, I'm certainly not blaming Moreno solely for that goal.
Nor would I blame Lovren solely.
There were quite a few errors by more than just them and good play by Sevilla as well.
Moreno is just not a natural defender - why can you not see that? If he was, he'd have been tight with that striker to cover Lovren. Not too dissimilar with their second goal.

14 Sep 2017 18:03:59
Good review ed001. I totally agree with everything you said, especially regarding the response on here. I only flicked through around 3 posts then left because I felt embarrassed for them.

Some people have no concept for the game of football and need to know how to put things into perspective. Sevilla are where we want to be an established cl side and we should of been out of sight at half time.

Liverpool fans are becoming like United fans they want billions ploughed in and as soon as someone has a bad game the lunch mob comes out it is disgraceful.

Salah what a player he is if he had a good shot he would be worth his weight in gold. He is only small but bully people twice the size of him. I though he was six foot six and 18 stone him mane and firminhio are all very similar and don't give defenders a seconds rest. Throw couts into the mix and that is the best front 4 in pl I challenge anyone to find a better one.

14 Sep 2017 15:53:42
Hi Eds. Thank you for doing great job 👍🏼
Question regarding yesterday game. We are very good in attack but not good enough in defense. Is that because of our defenders are not good or because our style of play. I noticed few times when we are attacking our midfield and full backs are high up the pitch and leave empty space and our midfielders are not to fast to come back and do defense so our two defenders exposed at the time. Do you think we should play with two holding midfielders and AMF behind CF will help to break opposition attack. Or we need solid DMF like Matic and Kante who constantly upsets apposition attack.
Appreciate your time.
Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - there are problems with both defence and midfield. We have 3 central midfielders playing the exact same role and each of them is leaving the defending to one of the others, so no one is holding back. We either need one to sit as a proper holding midfielder or a pair who can build an understanding so one holds when the other drives forward. If we change to the way Klopp is looking to play, with Coutinho ahead of a midfield pair, then the latter is what we will do.

Yesterday, most of the game you could have thrown a hankie over our 3 midfielders, they were all trying to occupy the same space on the pitch most of the time. They have no understanding, no realisation which one should be closing down which space when they are those 3. There is a reason why pairs are more successful, because it is much easier to establish an understanding with one person. When he goes, you stay, when you go, he stays. No confusion at all. When there are three and you know two of you can move forward, it means you always think you can go, because one of the others will cover. Usually it just means all 3 go, unless one is specifically instructed to sit.}

14 Sep 2017 16:24:24
One more thing: How do we survive the whole season (BPL,3 cups) playing this kinda energy sapping system? Klopp knows not other way. Come Christmas we will be spent force.

{Ed025's Note - injuries will be a key factor for me RB and i fear liverpool have a squad without a massive amount of quality, the first team is very good but the back ups leave a lot to be desired mate..

14 Sep 2017 16:11:38
Eds thanks for explanation. Hopefully next year will be great when Keita joins us.

{Ed001's Note - this year will be better with Coutinho in midfield as well, as it will give the players a more defined role.}

14 Sep 2017 16:45:52
If any of the EDDS r around,
Last night's result was a disappointment to say the least, but it's a re-occurring think which keeps letting us down, the defence,
I said a few weeks back that KLOPP will be judged this season and I STAND by that, if this season fizzles out and we finish 5,6,or 7th then questions will be asked, where Ithink KLOPP is letting himself down is:
1 - MINGO or KARIUS - indecision from KLOPP, start be a manager and make decisions, pick one and stick to your decision
2 - CAN - why is the guy still in the team, he isn't signing a contract for us, he's basically saying he doesn't want to play for us, the guy is playing us,
3 - MORENO - why is this guy still playing for us, an accident waiting to happen, KLOPP already decided that he wasn't for him last season,

THE CLOCK IS TICKING JURGEN. OVER TO YOU.

14 Sep 2017 16:46:42
What role would you say lallana played last year when fit ed?

{Ed001's Note - usually we played him and another midfielder (mostly Wijnaldum) ahead of one midfielder. I expect Coutinho to mostly fill that role this season, maybe rotate with Lallana when he returns to fitness or pair with him. Though I think it would help us if we played Couts/Lallana ahead of two deeper, instead of one deep and two forward.}

14 Sep 2017 17:08:02
Perhaps a return to 4 4 2 might help with confusion that ed spoke of in our three man midfield. It would certainly get the best out of coutinio who we all know is better in a deeper role. I still think he is very strong in that left wing position and you could see him picking up that position as the clock ran down in the hope he could pick up the ball and get into position for curling one into the far post. 4 4 2 would allow Danny s to be involved more. He is pretty close to world class when he is on form and it seems mad to have someone of his calibre on the bench all year. We have the perfect wingers to play 442 and also Hendo or can sitting in front of our frankly embarrassing defenders can only help.

It's great to watch our style going forward but we have to have balance otherwise we become predictable and the clever managers will see this and set up accordingly?

I think most people here know that I'm the first to defend our players and the last to criticise them but the cbs, especially lovren, we're awful last night. There is a real crisis of confidence and a vicious circle situation. The more we knock lovren and matip, the less confidence they play with and the more mistakes they make. Judging on last night i don't think gomes is the immediate answer. We cannot sign anyone for a while so all we can do is encourage lovren and matip to improve. I think if we show them some love as fans they may up their games. If we keep knocking them I don't think they will.

I think the performance was pretty good last night. We could have been at 4 1 by half time. Sadly if not for lovren and matip we would have won the game easily. Never though i would say this but we could do with Clyne back. Both city and seville both targeted the rb and it's where the goals came from last night.

I know he made a couple of wild challenges but I thought moreno was brilliant and my mom. He is not to blame for lovren's invisible foot ( his right foot by the way)

14 Sep 2017 17:27:24
Wembley. You must have watched a different game to me as moreno was fantastic and was involved in everything good that lfc did and was at fault for none of the goals. Lovren should have cleared easily. Moreno should have got goal side yes but it's not his fault that lovren has an invisible foot.

It wasn't the best result but it's not a disaster. All this "klopp the clock is tocking" is absolute media fuelled b*****x. We know he sees liverpool as a long term project. It isn't going to happen overnight and we have improved. We are in the ucl with probably the thinnest squad of the top six. (Last season) . He is one of the best managers in the world. He didn't make lovren miss the ball and if dejzn had cleared it we win the game and everyone is happy. People need to get over this trend of calling for managers heads after a handful of games. It makes me angry.

Wembley, can I ask? Who would you replace klopp with?

14 Sep 2017 17:30:18
Old school conventional 4-2-3-1 with Couts playing behin Firmino and ahead of two sitting midfielders. We don't have proper holding mid in the first place. This is the best we could form till we buy one.

This won't happen coz Klopp doesn't like any players to hold and not attack! He wants everyone to attack and everyone to defend just like searching infinity!

Before bingo comes and prove my theory wrong, this is just an observation mate, 😄.

14 Sep 2017 18:02:14
SUPERRED91,
Get off your high-horse, I said question will be asked, if we keep making the same mistakes and nothing is happening from the management then you have to ask questions, remember KLOPP has come with a big reputation so you would of thought grasping the art of defending is part of his and his backroom staffs job, otherwise what the bloody hell are they doing in training. it's not all about attack, attack, attack, the real great managers master it, the imposters just slip away down the leagues.

14 Sep 2017 18:57:14
What do you mean get off my high horse? It wasn't klopps fault that we didn't win last night Wembley. I agree that his defencive signings have not been good enough but his attacking ones have been great. He believes in developing players rather than constant recruitment and he has been first class at that. I worry for our club when people start saying frankly ridiculous comments like "klopp the clock Is ticking" in caps. I think we are very lucky to have klopp. Some of our football is near perfect sometimes. If we lose klopp then who do we replace him with? I missed that in your response. We will go back to above average mediocrity. Looking at the squad we had at the beginning of last season a lot of people would've been surprised that we qualified for ucl. In fact liverpool fans were dissapointed we didn't win the league after our more than promising start to the season. The emergence of city and spurs has made it very hard to qualify for ucl but last night we watched our team play in the best comp in the world. Klopp has done this WITHOUT going into the red. This is the first year he has done so and I still think we will have a brilliant season. I think we will get out of our group. I think we will finish in the top four and I think we will have a cup run.

I don't blame you Wembley. It's this trend of sacking managers as soon as a couple of results don't go our way. The trend has changed football and plays right into the hands of the big spenders who can buy and player they want or need. Others like us and spurs can't do that to the same extent. We need a top class manager and we need to give them time to build the right team. These days people say 2 1/ 2 years is ages but it really isn't. If football were like this twenty years ago then man utd would've sacked Alex ferguson. Remember that before you call for klopps head.

14 Sep 2017 19:49:27
Superred. Good post and you make some good points to defend and back up your opinion.
As you know I'm not a Liverpool supporter so im not coming from a position m more neutral.
I don't like klopp i don't think his history is great i think he is tactically naive and buys badly.
However that's just my opinion.
I also see that he is a passionate hard worker and that he had had some success too as a coach.
Should he be fired no imo of course not. Will he lead liverpool to success no i don't think so. I would be more fearful of this liverpool squad under a long list of managers than i am of them under klopp. He just is not the man for liverpool and won't steer them back to the top.

14 Sep 2017 21:02:26
Wembley first of all, STOP YELLING as it does not mean you are right and btw, you are wrong. Klopp is not on any ticking clock except the one residing in your head or the one the rag media are putting out there. He is ours and mistakes or not, will have our full support. He needs time to build this team and to get it right. Pep has dropped 300m on defenders and they are still crap at the back so it tells you that good defenders and CB's are hard to find right now. It took him four seasons to create that team at BVB that was the envy of Germany and the whole of Europe. That is what he is trying to do here. Is he going to go out on the pitch and clear the ball for Lovren as well? Again, pathetic reasoning.

If you want him sacked, make an offer that FSG can't refuse, buy the club and sack him yourself. If not, keep quiet and stop projecting your opinion as fact cos using Caps Lock, means nothing and does not mean you are right.

14 sep 2017 23:32:44
superred91,
i did not say sack him, i said questions will be asked, i am a supporter who doesn't deal in blind faith, i call it as i see it, if we keep making the same mistakes with the same results with the management not doing anything to alter it, well i'm sorry if you don't agree but questions will be asked, you need to stop burying your head in the sand, it's no good having all this attacking prowess, coupled with keystone kops defending. as i said questions will be asked.

14 Sep 2017 15:22:06
In the review The explanation of matip's display was class. cheers ed.

{Ed001's Note - thank you, not that I can remember what I said now.}

14 Sep 2017 14:45:59
Any progress / update on the article I asked you to write Ed01. You are so slow 😄😄.

{Ed001's Note - actually I am down to just 300 articles ahead of it now that I have done the season reviews and transfer window review. So you should get it about 2048.}

14 Sep 2017 15:30:05
Just a year before the blade runner is actually happening.

{Ed001's Note - perfect timing then.}

14 Sep 2017 16:10:12
Can you make it to 2046 mate? 😄 That would be fine.

14 Sep 2017 14:44:15
I rubbish you not, this was Ferdinands opening remarks.

"I think Jordan Henderson HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD today, they have to be MORE RUTHLESS, you got to FINISH TEAMS OFF, they had Seville ON THE RACKS there, and the didn't PUT A NAIL IN THE COFFIN to finish the game off. They got CAUGHT IN A SUCKER PUNCH. "

Now I know we are not talking about quantum electrodynamics here but.

14 Sep 2017 14:50:23
Can anyone explain what ferdinand is trying to say?

14 Sep 2017 15:17:50
Yes please explain.

14 Sep 2017 17:32:59
I hope he was shouting at all the points you used capital letter 😂.

14 Sep 2017 21:11:21
OP, stop yelling as it does not make you right.

14 Sep 2017 12:12:01
Ed001 I've looked at our defence and desperately tried to think up a formation that can exclude Matip, Lovren and Klavan who are all painstakingly slow, as well as shocking in terms of concentration. Even pride and passion seems minimal.

Could a back 5 of Moreno, Robertson, Gomez, Flanagan, Arnold work? 😂

Moreno and Arnold as Marauding wing backs, Gomez leading the defensive line in a back 3, with Robbo and Flanno either side as they are comfortable being pulled out wide, both around 5ft11 so quite tall for full backs, and will inject a bit of Scottish and Scouse fire into the defence!

Sure, it's an u20 centre back with 4 full backs on paper, but Chile won the Copa America with midfielders at centre back 😂 at least they all put in the effort and are all decent on the ball!

{Ed001's Note - the very thought of that line up scares me more than Lovren about to clear the ball! TAA, Moreno and Robertson all struggle defensively.}

14 Sep 2017 12:52:34
I don't know MK but how could someone add Flanagan to team is beyond me! Is it all coz he is a local lad.

14 Sep 2017 12:59:40
For me milner right back gomez, matip centre backs, an robertson left back I see trent more suited too midfield longterm.

14 Sep 2017 13:46:56
That is BS Harry. Where are Adam Morgan, Connor Coady, Jordan Rossiter and Jay Spearing then? If being scouse keeps you at Liverpool they should be here, right?

Flanagan is an okay player still. He'll only ever be a utility squad player unless he moves on, but my squad would always have place for someone like Flanagan. If for nothing else, just his attitude and passion which can rub off on others.

Before his injury he was being called the Scouse Cafu, and was seen along with John Stones as the future of Englands defence. So I'm not having it that he has no ability. Injuries have held him back.

Anyway, if you couldn't see this post was a light hearted joke then more fool you.

14 Sep 2017 13:51:52
Let's give Masterson a shout at CB!

14 Sep 2017 14:19:58
Relax MK, I was just asking you politely mate. You can have an opinion on a player is completely your call, they way you see things or rather they way you want to see the things. Like you I can also have an opinion on players. Chill! I see nothing in him doesn't make mine a valid one! You see plenty in him doesn't make yours a valid one. There is no right or wrong! It's all opinions!

14 Sep 2017 14:20:23
This is just my take on it. Our defense make silly errors but I wouldn't put all the blame on just them. The midfield in front of them has to share the blame opposition runs through them like a hot knife through butter. I have tried to watch Hendo as I am trying to find a reasin to like him in that position. He seems to run all over but to close the attackers down. Its like he shys away from going in to tackle. He only try to block them off if no one else is around. And when he do he so rash. I specifically tried to watch his defensive abilities and I am afraid that any player worth his salt runs circles around him. We really need a robust defensive midfielder. It would make our defence less vulnerable. Just my opinion.

14 Sep 2017 14:34:21
For me our best defence could be this:
Karius
Trent matip Gomez Robertson
Question marks over all 5 but migs has had his chance, as has lovren, I just don't get all the fan fare with Moreno recently, he is not the answer.

14 Sep 2017 14:35:09
Flanno at CB? 3 attacking minded full backs in a back 3?
Oh dear! Someone loves seeing us get spanked big time.

14 Sep 2017 15:05:23
Except Harry, your opinions on English, British and Scouse players are constantly bordering on Xenophobia.

14 Sep 2017 16:14:45
Why do you think I have problem with British players? You do realize I am fan of Daniel Sturridge and Robbie Fowler mate. And who could hate Gerrard 🙄🙄🙄.

{Ed025's Note - me..

14 Sep 2017 16:59:28
What if we play no defence or keeper, put 5 in midfield, 5 up front and a guy following the referee around with a spare pair of glasses in case he needs to make marginal decisions?
I'm all for that, we'd never need to blame Lovren, Matip, Mignolet, Moreno, Klavan or Karius ever again.
Southampton can go pi$$ off as well if they think we'll come back in for Van Dijk too as we won't need any CBs.
Instead, we could buy/ rent (FSG would prefer the latter because they're tight apparently) a private jet, stick those defenders/ GKs named above on it and fly it the fook out of Liverpool.
Everyone happy with that?

14 Sep 2017 11:49:26
So, Karius did ok didn't he?
He didn't dither about on the ball like he's been guilty of recently (a defender learning from his mistakes? At Liverpool? )
His distribution seemed really good, I know the crowd got on his back once or twice for not getting the ball upfield within a second of receiving it but I think the right ball upfield is just as important as a quick one.
Seemed a lot better on corners than migs.
Seems the plan is to use him in the champs league but if he plays like this in the next few games I would drop migs in the league.

14 Sep 2017 13:22:00
Drop migs, off at Goodison.

14 Sep 2017 14:37:54
Karius now needs a run of games. Way more comfortable dealing with crosses and gets off his line when needed instead of dithering. Kicking also looks good right now.
Klopp should have figured out by now that Migs is poor and not fit to be LFC's GK. Karius should be first choice for the next few months to see what he can do before a final decision is made which GK to ditch in Jan. Imo it should be Migs. Karius 1st choice (if he does well) and Ward as back up.

14 Sep 2017 11:11:09
A couple of things from last night,

Couthino - received a big cheer when is name was called out on the tannoy when the teams were read out.

Salah - he really has settled in well and thought he made some fanstic touches last night. If Klopp can work on his finishing, he'll be one hell of a player for us.

Substitutions - I felt Klopp could have made some earlier subs, going into the last 15 mins some of the players looked really tired, Bobby in particular, he ran his heart out last night. He lost the ball in the middle of the park which cotributed to Seville's second goal.

14 Sep 2017 12:31:01
Mane seemed to really drop off later in the second half as well.

14 Sep 2017 12:38:32
You felt klopp could of made earlier subs?

You mean the while world knows he needs to make better use of the subs.

His bring them on with 5 minutes to go was put down to not having faith in the bench. Last night had coutinho and his 40 mil man oxlade, so what's the excuse not throwing them on at 60 mins minimum.

It's a major flaw his is game. He needs to start being pro active not reactive, which again he was last night.

14 Sep 2017 11:09:06
I think what most people are upset with is, how are we suppose to believe in a team when we have mediocrity letting goals in for fun.

thats the biggest biggest downer, no matter how good we play, we can still not get the result. The thought of playing barcelona, psg, real madrid sounds like a nightmare at the moment.

i should be looking forward to those games but im just not. hopefully our defence has solidified by the time we get to those stages.

gomez at center back can't be worse than lovren or klavan so let's hope we try something new. milner should be at right back, we need as much experience at the back as possible if we try gomez as center back.

I know its not going to happen but i would trust flanagan at rightback. good going forward but is a fighter at the back who reads the game really well. maybe klopp will see the light.

14 Sep 2017 11:47:25
Spot on, Wiseryan. It is so frustrating. LFC is the only team I know that can score 3 goals esp. away from home, and still not win (see B'mouth and Watford) . I really don't know how that is even possible anymore. We had a very good perf. overall last night, with holding Seville to 4 shots on target all game, Karius having no saves to make and we should have buried them by at least 4 goals YET with Lovren crapping his pants and Seville playing through the defence off a throw-in, here we are lamenting a point gained and two dropped. If your defenders are error-prone, it really does not matter what system you play, you will concede. As for Milner at RB, Milner like Clyne, are poor FB's and would be easily targeted. Something has to give, at this point.

14 Sep 2017 12:00:49
Klopp wants his full backs to offer solid width and great on the attacking front. Flanagan offers nothing upfront. Why do you think he persists with Moreno?

14 Sep 2017 12:19:12
Flannagan is not the answer. I'm sorry people need to let that go.

14 Sep 2017 10:47:51
Realise in many of title winning team there is both that internal strife and criticism that keep players on their toes. You can see it when these teams go down there will be some finger pointing and accused players will retort back with a snarl and all will fight back to win game. U see it in many squad under red nose with keane or Neville barring down on mistakes and some of players will feel unjustified and snarl back and manager let it be. Its the same with chelsea squad with Luiz, Costa fabregas barking. But in Liverpool squad I just feel they are all too comfy, too nice, too polite to snarl and take away that certain competitive edge.

14 Sep 2017 11:02:20
Lack of proper leadership on the pitch! I remember Real signing a player from Everton only to provide some aggression and bite to their midfield!

14 Sep 2017 12:39:21
Ben gibson.

14 Sep 2017 13:01:40
I like ben gibson english centreback in the mold of cahill, terry, etc.

14 Sep 2017 13:28:18
Harry mentioning another club/ player again :)

14 Sep 2017 14:17:17
Firmino can be captain though.

14 Sep 2017 10:35:39
It's a terrible shame we haven't bought first team defenders.
I think With Mane, Salah, Coutinho and Firmino all playing in the same team, we could've done some amazing things.
All I see with these defenders though is another season battling for 4th. Gutted really, missed opportunity in my eyes for trophies.

14 Sep 2017 11:12:52
Mate were still in september. There's practically all season still to go. Ridiculous post.

14 Sep 2017 11:23:09
He has. He signed Matip, Klavan and Robertson. They're 3 defenders Klopp has identified and asked for.

14 Sep 2017 11:55:52
Stand, that may be true BUT the OP is talking as if the season is over so your point is irrelevant. No one knows if we will win anything or not BUT the OP seems to have given up already and that's his problem. We all know he signed these player so nothing was learnt from your post.

14 Sep 2017 12:22:58
How's my point irelevent? He said I wish we fought first team defenders. Klopp has signed 3. Perfectly relevant.

14 Sep 2017 12:23:00
I think klopp has spent a total of 13m of defenders that's true?

14 Sep 2017 09:10:00
Now the dust has settled a bit.

I think on another day, we score the penalty, 3-1 and the game is totally different and we bag a result - happy days. We as fans all know better than anyone that this Liverpool side need more than a 1 goal lead to be safe, that's just the way things are with this side.

We peppered their goal and should have been out of sight at half time. This is NOT the worst start to a UCL campaign. A draw to a good Sevillla side who haven't dropped any points all season domestic or in Europe.

We dust ourselves down and go again. I won't even get into the defence as whole as there is nothing I can say that hasn't already been said.

With that being said, I was at the game last night, and I would like to finish by giving praise to Moreno. Attacked very well, got a great assist and although by being out of position he had to keep racing over to make challenges, he made them mostly. That is just his style and if JK wants fullbacks like that then Moreno is doing his job effectively. Well done Alberto.

14 Sep 2017 09:33:20
Although he's improved some areas of his game he is still a complete liability defence wise, you can't just lunge about like he does either.

14 Sep 2017 09:46:46
Moreno is a proper wing back and would excell for a team that plays either 3 at the back or with a 1 or 2 holding mins. He has excellent pace and could do a decent job going forward. But he can't defend so does other offensive wing backs in the world! Klopp likes offensive full backs!

14 Sep 2017 09:55:53
He's only lunging into red card territory two times a games. That's actual progress. He has improved this season. I just hope he continues to improve. I know ed1 said his attitude in training is excellent. Perhaps the other lads could learn from this- I'm looking at you matip.

14 Sep 2017 12:01:05
Moreno could have been sent off if another ref was at the game so he's still a head case, IMO. Also, can the no LFC fan or "football fan" please explain to us how Klopp lacks offensive fullbacks where as TAA and Moreno are known for their offensive qualities?

14 Sep 2017 14:27:11
Oh bingo! Read it properly. Klopp likes offensive full backs man. your mind not with you these days! Too much stress aah!

14 Sep 2017 17:10:57
Is Moreno half Croatian all of a sudden Harry?
Moreno has improved one aspect of his game (crossing) he is still a terrible defender though, he's still usually out of position, too high up the pitch, doesn't get back quick enough, when he does get back quickly it's usually via a dangerous lunge on someone, if he is somehow in position the attacker just goes through him like he's not there, his positioning for defending set pieces is appalling.
I'm sorry but he's not a good player at left back or left wing back, he's just seriously lacking in so many aspects of his game.

14 Sep 2017 08:57:42
Onwards and upwards, not a bad result against a team who have won the europa league 3 years running! (Including vs us) .

Yes we could of won but we could of lost so next game is a calling! Bring on a good result against Burnley!

Quick questions ed's I know there has been a lot of talk of Gomez playing CB. For the Leicester game I would love to see TAA matip Gomez Robertson as our back 4 I think that is the line which has the best potential for us, thoughts?

{Ed001's Note - I would have liked that from the start of the season. I just want Klopp to pick a back four and keeper and stick with them unless there is an injury. Let them settle as a unit and build some understanding.}

14 Sep 2017 12:05:04
You're right, Ed. The chopping and changing does not help the situation either.

14 Sep 2017 08:25:17
See lads, this is why i moaned about us having an easier group on paper. Everyone gets too big for their boots and then we end up falling below expectations. We will lose and draw some games and the melt down isn't required.

Liverpool seize up against the perceived lesser sides, though there are no easy games in European football. On paper all the teams in our group should be absolute bankers at Anfield, and Maribor home and away. That isn't how it works in cup games though. That is the beauty of cup competition and why i stayed away from predictions for last night. Sevilla are the best team in our group and our lads still couldn't cope with the expectation we should be beating them at home. Arguably you can almost accept a draw at home to Sevilla as they're a semi-decent side so what will the reaction be like against the other guys?

I'm dreading the Maribor game at Anfield! The pressure to win will be immense. If we win it'll be "as expected" and if we lose it'll be "Klopp out". Lose lose situation. That is how our entire group will be unfortunately because the draw was too kind to us.

On a side note, sick of hearing how bad our defence is in the media this morning whilst lavishing praise on Spurs who conceded 3 legit goals and were extremely lucky. Though Lovren has just played Klavan back into the team for the Burnley game 🙄

I'm sure we'll cough and splutter our way out of this group like a 70 year old 2 stroke petrol engine (or Ed025) but i just would've rather we scraped our way out of a group containing some more prestigious clubs. Even if we'd ended up in the Europa league at least it would've been justifiable.

On a side note, Klopp needs to get this team mentally tougher or they will crumble away to Spartak. That atmosphere looked more intimidating than Ed002 when you ask him a repeat question!

To end on a positive note though, we nearly got knocked out of the group stages in the 2005 CL winning campaign. It took a last minute screamer from Stevie to save us. So don't give up faith just yet. It's way too early. Please though, less of the bi-polar reactions after a draw. Celtic beat Barcelona a few years ago! People forget this is cup football. Anyone can beat anyone with a stroke of luck. Sevilla happened to catch Lovren on a night where he had a size 5 football hole in his foot, and Firmino forgot his contact lenses. We'll go again and hey, it's a point on the board against Sevilla. We drew 2-2 with Ludogorets 3 years ago! Progress 😁.

{Ed001's Note - that is the most flattering description of Ed025 I have ever seen.}

14 Sep 2017 08:32:03
Good post mate. perspective.

{Ed025's Note - except for me being described as a 70 yr old 2 stroke petrol engine i agree SG..

14 Sep 2017 09:08:47
MK is loosing his plot. I have not seen him struggle this hard. A 7 paragraph post all about If's and But's.
Good luck mate!

14 Sep 2017 09:50:52
Great post mk.

14 Sep 2017 12:15:21
Great post, MK. Some on here had said we would beat them 5-1. I couldn't believe that nonsense and this goes to Ed25's point. We are not a force anymore and some of our fans need to get off their high horses and smell the coffee. Seville have been more successful than us since, 2006 and that is a fact (check their trophy and CL record) . The fact that we should have thumped them alone should be heartening to us cos had we taken our chances, we would have. Again great post, MK.

14 Sep 2017 16:54:17
Omg, I have just realised it is either Lovren or Klavan for the Burnley game. We are doomed mr mannering doomed.

14 Sep 2017 16:55:42
In all fairness MK it’s not just cup football that's unpredictable, but all football is like this now. I mean, imagine Leicester getting promoted and winning the league 😂

Smaller teams used to be cake walks but now they thrive against bigger teams yet still fight for relegation.

Even lower league teams can shock just about any big team in football and it is part luck, part they can play with freedom as no one expects a win, and part the bigger teams are expected to win and it’s added pressure.

14 Sep 2017 06:44:31
Have to say on another night we would have won five nil and all the moaning mertles would be lauding sir jurgen klopp fickle fickle fans.
Up the pool.

{Ed025's Note - your right redan liverpool supporters need to get over themselves, they seem to think they have a divine right to beat all thats put before them, who the hell do they think they are?, you lot need a reality check you are no longer a force in european football or even the domestic scene for that matter, all these posts that have things like "lets destroy them and such have to stop, liverpool are a decent side and will be up there vying for top 4 im sure but you are far from the finished article, lets have a bit of perspective and a reality check and not get upset when so called inferior opposition get a result against you, come on guys i like your passion but lets not kid ourselves..

14 Sep 2017 07:24:52
I was a huge rugby union fan for a long time and in that sport you find the supporters want to see an entertaining enjoyable game first, result second. I've kept that mentality with me, and with that in mind, results aside, the vast majority of our games are entertaining as hell. I remember when klopp first signed, ed01 told u all that his tenure would be a rollercoaster and certainly not boring. I concur whole heartedly with this. One thing we are not is boring. Of course I want us to win things, but I want to be entertained too. Isn't that the point?

14 Sep 2017 07:13:37
Cannot disagree with u ed025 and things could be worse like losing at home three nil hahahaha
Up the pool.

{Ed025's Note - your dead right redan (thanks for reminding me), fans think seville were coming to anfield to roll over and how dare them get a draw!, they should just be grateful to share a pitch with the mighty reds..

14 Sep 2017 07:34:51
Those pesky positive fans wanting to destroy teams at home, how dare they want to win and get 3 points in the Champions League. What is the world coming too?

{Ed025's Note - positivity i can live with KR, but when it borders on delusion and shear disdain for opponents then it becomes a problem mate..

14 Sep 2017 07:45:09
On another night the deflection wouldn't have happened and we would have lost the game 2-1 and all the super positive posters would have taken a smal break till Saturday evening 😄.
Sevilla were far more organized than Liverpool.

We will always concede, the only question is how many should we score to secure 3 points? My take would be 4 goals per game.

{Ed025's Note - very harsh harry, liverpool are a good side mate even though they have defensive issues, very good to watch if your a neutral and i believe you have the scope to improve if the manager is given time..

14 Sep 2017 07:45:25
Hands down my favourite Ed, 025. Whenever you're on I know the replies will be detailed with a hint of sarcasm.

{Ed025's Note - cheers burkey, i try to be objective mate and offer a different perspective on things, but of course some will see me as the devil incarnate..

14 Sep 2017 08:15:07
Not sure where fickle comes from?
I think most fans are frustrated because we couldn't see the game out. Yes Seville are a decent side but it's a game we should have won.

Yet again, the the hard work was un done with calamitous defending, it's the same story over and over. And actually, we could have lost the game 2-3 right at the end had it not been for poor finishing on their part.

14 Sep 2017 07:49:21
A problem for who?

I guess you used all your positivity up at Villareal away in 2005?

{Ed025's Note - a problem in terms of expectation KR, this is not the 80,s mate and you are not at the top of the footballing tree anymore..get used to it..

14 Sep 2017 07:50:29
Great post, Ed25. There is no perspective among our fans anymore. If someone had posted what Ed25 did, many of the self righteous fans on social media would say, "So you like mediocrity? or We are LFC, we should be doing this and that to whoever or I remember during the stoneage where we used to dominate" blah, blah, blah.

We are no longer a force anymore, anywhere as Ed25 said and Sevilla are a damn good team and had we finished our chances, we would be celebrating the fact that we completely smashed the 4 best team in Spain behind the big three (RM, Barcelona abd AM) which is nothing to sneeze at. We have ourselves to blame for the draw so people should just get over themselves cos really, LFC as a club right now, ain't all that.

{Ed025's Note - thanks bingo, im not trying to rain on your parade or anything just pointing out as a neutral that you cant expect to win every game, i hear things like "we will smash them" and other teams are crap which shows a lack of respect and humility, then when you lose its "we are rubbish" or you want the manager sacked, i just want the knee jerk reactions to stop mate..

14 Sep 2017 07:50:51
Correct me if I am wrong Ed025. But donyou seriously expect Liverpool to respect teams like Moscow, Sevilla and be contained with deaws? I see you are playing Atalanta today and I ll see how Evertonians behave if you loose that game!
This is the easiest group by far and we are struggling!

{Ed025's Note - you have only played one game harry and drew with a decent seville side, you battered them first half then lost your way somewhat in the second half and bar for missing a penalty would be topping the group, thats why i ask for perspective mate..

14 Sep 2017 07:52:42
I have a problem with the fact that we're it not the consecutive mistakes and simple brain dead nature of our midfield and defenders we would have won that. You don't deserve to win when you can't take care of the basics.

14 Sep 2017 08:22:27
On another night can't defend Harry the penalty would have gone in and 3 2 would have been the score. Whatever the results problems etc I still love em
Up the pool.

14 Sep 2017 08:37:10
Ed 025 you are bang on the money, we haven't got the rite too beat anyone an in all honesty we will never win leagues or cups with the way the club is ran, the success is not geared towards winning on the pitch, its geared towards being a tourist attraction living off our past history an glory, also a top club doesn't tap up players an have our name dragged through the mud.

{Ed025's Note - mistakes have been made hailstones but liverpool is still a massive club, and you are being a bit harsh on FSG there mate as winning trophies is their main aim and would be the best way to achieve a return on their investment mate..

14 Sep 2017 10:25:14
you are a good human being ed 25.

14 Sep 2017 09:43:54
I think saying 'let's smash them' is fine for any fan Ed, even Everton fans ;-) . It has to be tinged with a bit of reality and we've certainly had that recently.

14 Sep 2017 12:22:59
Ed25, the knee jerk reactions won't stop, I can guarantee you that. I read other comments boards of other LFC fan sites and trust me, we are civilized on this forum compared to the abject bile being spouted on these sites.

Harry, why do you care what we do or don't do as all you do is come on here and bash our players, manager and club, of which you're not even a fan?

{Ed025's Note - i read some other forums bingo and your right some of the things said are evil mate..

14 Sep 2017 16:48:59
Ed 25, the issue is no that as Liverpool fans, we have divine right or beat everyone, it's the fact that once again, we threw yet another game away through woeful defending.

This is not about beating a team 5-0 but getting the job done.

14 Sep 2017 16:49:54
ed25, I completely agree with everything you said to be honest.

We have many fans who know we aren't the finished article (heck what team genuinely is? Every team, even Madrid/ Barca have days when they lose to random teams. Perfection in football is a dead concept)
But many of our fans are in 2 minds about whether the glass is half full, or half empty with LFC.

When we win we are the best in the world but when we lose it’s all doom and gloom and the manager should be sacked xD.

14 Sep 2017 00:11:48
When winning 2 league titles and getting to a champions league final, were Klopp's Dortmund side as rubbish defensively as we are?

14 Sep 2017 05:19:36
He had a point to prove back then. Now he has simply been put on a pedestal by us LFC fans and treated like some war hero who can do no wrong. The defensive issues have been completely ignored and Klopp refuses to alter his style in spite of himself claiming there are very few players that can fit into his ideologies.
He had Hummels and an in-form Subotic back then. At LFC, he thinks Matip, Klavan and Lovren are reincarnations of his BVB defenders. How wrong he is. BVB had a perfect blend of attack and defence, but Klopp seems to have lost his way since joining LFC.

{Ed001's Note - who made Hummels into the player he was? According to Hummels it was Klopp. Subotic credits Klopp for his form as well. I guess you missed that. If you are not going to do your research, then you are just going to continue to make idiotic comments from a biased viewpoint. It is clear you have a personal issue with Klopp and that you are against him.}

14 Sep 2017 05:27:38
Sometimes Mats Hummels was caught napping and made mistakes, but their whole team performance was not as bad as ours, so poor Lovren :)

14 Sep 2017 05:40:17
Ed,
Correct me if I'm wrong, again, but wasn't Hummels a failing (defensive) midfielder at one point before he was "turned into" a centre back?
Is there no player at LFC who could undergo this conversion and was it Klopp who "trained" Hummels in the ways of defending?
For the first question I'm wondering about the likes of Grujic, Ejaria or even Can. They're all big lumps but are clearly not defenders at the moment. Grujic is going to lose his work permit, Ejaria is not getting regular football and Can is worried about getting game time. Maybe Can is a bad choice as he might not want to play there. Converting from being a midfielder to being a defender must be difficult, how do you teach a player about "new" positioning and reading the game? Did Hummels just have it "in built" or did someone develop it in his game and can't we get them to do it at LFC?
I appreciate in Germany said convert would get more time and patience to bed into the role 😄.

{Ed001's Note - Ejaria is not a big lump mate. Can will almost certainly leave and wants to play in midfield. Grujic is not defensive minded at all. I don't really see anyone he can do that with. Yes it was Klopp who worked with Hummels, the lad gave about 40 interviews talking about it after Klopp first left.}

14 Sep 2017 05:42:21
No one puts Klopp on a pedestal, most of us know he is not perfect but we support him because he is our manager.

14 Sep 2017 05:47:24
Personal issue against Klopp? I was probably one of the most elated fan when we appointed him. Hell I wanted him over Ancelotti as well.
But that trust comes with the manager backing up the faith shown in him through team performances. If the players are not able to repeat their tactical drills on match day, why has Klopp not done anything about it? Its been 2 seasons now hasn't it?
Yes, he made Hummels and Subotic what they are today but clearly its blatantly obvious that was not going to happen with Klavan and Lovren. You cannot build each and every player to the expectations of a football club. If they are not good enough, get rid and sign better ones.
And the GK fiasco? Oh dear God is all I have to say and I am an atheist.

{Ed001's Note - for heaven's sake! It takes time to build a team when you do not have unlimited money to buy one like City do. 2 seasons is nothing. Modern day fans are so fickle.}

14 Sep 2017 05:54:27
At BVB he had world class players all over the pitch for a few years and during those few years he won everything possible. The moment he sold Lewandowski and Gotze his side started to crumble. There is no comparison between Hummel to Klavan, Lovren and Matip! Like every manager in the world he too need WC players!

{Ed001's Note - he made them world class.}

14 Sep 2017 06:09:09
Thanks Ed,
Ejaria always looks like a big lump to me, but I guess he's not big for a defender.
So Klopp helped develop Hummels (a midfielder) to convert into being a pretty solid classy defender who played for the world champions. My follow up question is how come he can't develop Lovren and Matip to the same degree? Is it the case that Hummels always had the ability/ attributes and Lovren/ Matip don't? Or is it just far more difficult/ different to be a central defender in England and would Hummels find it much more difficult?
Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - you are right in what you say, it is more difficult, but the main differences are age and willingness/ability to learn. Hummels was young and willing to learn with the ability to do so, Lovren and Matip just aren't. Hummels did have a lot of the basic attributes to succeed as well. However it is difficult to see the fans giving a player the time to learn here. You only have to look at the reaction to TAA's performance at the weekend. No one has any understanding for young players learning a role.
By the way, the big question should be why does our recruitment team not come up with suitable alternatives? I mean Leicester under Walsh had a deal set up for Kante when Ranieri arrived he put it on hold as he was not convinced. They went for alternatives, none could be got and Walsh kept working on Ranieri every time he saw him to convince him of Kante, leaving him footage of the lad playing, constantly talking about him etc until he convinced Ranieri. Twentyman used to do a similar thing when he was our scout, he would sell the players to the manager, until they were convinced to move for them. Why do we have no one doing that at the club now? If they do not trust their judgement enough to put their job on the line by putting players forward, then they should not be in the role!}

14 Sep 2017 06:38:48
Cheers ed, I lost faith with our recruitment team years ago. We're good at recruiting attacking players - Mane, Salah, Firmino, Keita. Just not good at finding players with the abilities needed to defend in the premier league. Did Van Dijk improve that much since his Celtic days?

{Ed001's Note - personally I do not rate him at all, he has that Matip lazy streak which annoys me. Amazing how players like that can bring the ball out from the back with the pace of a scalded cat but chase back with the pace of a sleeping tortoise.}

14 Sep 2017 07:04:46
Gomez is that player Ed - think he could be moulded into something special. We should really leave RB to Milner and TAA and put Gomez and Matip together for an extended period. Leave Lovren and Klavan to play vs slower attacks or in cup games (lovrens also always looked better at RB IMO) .

The other issue is also GK and FBs, we need a more defensive minded LB and to stick with on keeper (should be Karius) .

I do think if Klopps got anything wrong he's not making any concession for the teams weaknesses. Don't know why. perhaps he figures get the team playing the way he wants the slot this missing pieces in defence in later. but I wish he'd play Robertson at LB and tell him to play a more cautious game, then play more of a 4-2-1-3 and two deep midfielders to protect the back 4, then play Gomez at RB. I'm pretty sure we'd still create loads of goals with our front 3 and Coutinho in behind them.

Yes I know Robertson is essentially an attacking LB too, but fundamentally he looks more balanced than Moreno.

{Ed001's Note - we can't have Milner at full back, he was awful at the end of last season because teams worked him out. He and Clyne were the players teams were targeting. Which says a lot when we had Matip and Lovren at the back....}

14 Sep 2017 07:05:34
Ejaria, Can and Grujic are all attack minded players, and not particularly very intelligent off the ball. Grujic tends to slack off when the opposition has the ball and Ejaria is just not ready. Can is as good as gone. I think he wants regular game time as a B2B midfielder and Klopp won't give him that. Gomez is our best bet at the moment till some decent CBs are targeted by Klopp. Jose Gimenez and De Vrij (a bit weak physically) are out of contract in the summer. Manolas is another CB with a mean streak and would do well in Klopp's system.
Not sure why VVD at 60 million is such an attractive prospect for Klopp. He is just like Matip but more of a physical specimen. That's what worries me about Klopp. He seems to be targeting these players good on the ball but not very good in their defensive duties. VVD falls into that bracket.

14 Sep 2017 08:02:37
Harry, what world class players did Klopp have at BVB? You mean the ones he himself create? Nonsense. If you don't know anything about Klopp's BVB, then go do your research cos I have. Years ago, Hummels was at the Bayern academy BUT could not break into the first team with Lucio and the rest at CB. He went to BVB on loan and when Bayern wanted him back, he told them to get lost and that he would not come back as he loved it at BVB. Hummels owes everything to Klop. Same with Subotic who he had at Mainz before he went to BVB with him. Lewandowski was signed for 4m from Polish football and he had to wait his turn as Lucas Barrios was the starter. After Barrios left, he became the starter and the rest is history. He too, owes his world class status to Klopp. He created Lewandowski, Gotze, Kagawa (who he got from the Japanese SECOND division) Reus (who he sold but signed back) Kuba, Bender, Perisic, Scmelzer and the rest.

IB, no one is putting Klopp on any pedestal so that is nonsense. He is our manager and tho imperfect and fallible, I will not trade him for anyone. The team is not the finished article yet as he wants to change the CB's and make the team stronger. You can't do that in one window. The problem may be that the scouting dept. is not doing it's job, as Ed said. We have to stick with what we have cos we will not be dropping 300m on CB's and defenders anytime soon.

14 Sep 2017 07:48:38
@IB

Coz VVD wins headers something our entire team doesn't! VVD is a physical monster against one on one opponents. VVD has excellent pace to track back and play up front of the defense. VVD is one of the best ball playing defender in the league. VVD is technically head and shoulders ahead of what we have! VVD will deal with all the first time ball that's thrown at our defense!

{Ed025's Note - im with you on that harry, hes excellent for me and would improve liverpool massively mate..

14 Sep 2017 07:55:25
Jose Jimenez is suspect in the air and doesn't speak a word of English.

14 Sep 2017 08:28:40
I have kind of had enough of the constant mistakes from both CBS if it was me Ed I would put Gomez at CB with Matip and have TAA, Flanno Rotate for RB, Moreno and Roberston for LB its worth a punt we need to see how Gomez performs and then get behind them its not working with Lovren and Matip, at least with Gomez he has the youth on his side like Hummels to learn from his mistakes what do you think Ed01? I would even but Masterson in even tho he is 18 he looks a good player.

{Ed001's Note - I was saying before the season started I would go with Gomez, nothing I have seen has changed that opinion.}

14 Sep 2017 09:11:22
Couple of months back there was a report of klopp in echo what BVB fans think about him. You can easily find if you want.


You'll be shocked to see a lot of BVB fans don't rate him despite winning trophies there.

{Ed001's Note - the same Dortmund fans that had a campaign to persuade him to stay you mean? The same Dortmund fans that never stopped singing his name even when his final season saw them off the pace? I doubt the Echo would have a bloody clue what Dortmund fans think to be honest. Since it became a part of the Mirror group it has been nothing but a rag.}

14 Sep 2017 12:27:23
Kopite, none of that crap is true about Klopp and BVB. He is revered over there as a god who gave them their dignity back after being the punch line of German football. Just take a look at the welcome he received when he went there. A majority of the fans would take him back tmrw if he ever wanted to come back. Don't believe anything you read about Klopp in the rag media, bro. It is bullocks. I propose you do your own research as many of us have done.

14 Sep 2017 16:50:39
"Amazing how players like that can bring the ball out from the back with the pace of a scalded cat but chase back with the pace of a sleeping tortoise"

This killed me ed1 xD but its true, I never understood why quite a lot of center half's are faster with the ball than without. Yet every other player is slower with the ball.
When Matip runs with the ball, every step he takes he covers about 10 yards (bit dramatic), but when tracking back to defend. Well he is never back far enough which is weird considering the only player who should be behind him is the GK, not half our team xD

The only other player I can think to compare his weird speed glitch too. is Kaka. Just a shame that’s where the comparison stops 😓.

14 Sep 2017 03:41:17
Is it possible to check who paid Lovren's salary this week? Did the money come from FSG or Seville?

14 Sep 2017 05:57:24
The one who paid for Matip and Klavan!

14 Sep 2017 08:29:43
Lfc defending last night highlights the need for centre backs, I don't get it Klopp knew for a season at least how crap Lovren and klavan are yet because he gave Lovren a new contract he wants to keep him, Klopp needs to go to the opticians and have his head tested to realise the fact the need for 2 centre backs, he had all summer to do something about it, I predict out of champions league and out of top 4.

14 Sep 2017 12:29:41
Deano, if Lovren would have been kept, it would be as third choice as Klopp clearly wanted VVD.

14 Sep 2017 16:52:43
I wonder if Harry gets the joke now he has had his coffee? Haha.

14 Sep 2017 00:26:32
Was trying really hard to keep to myself and say nothing about tonight but I've read too much crap about klopp to keep quiet any longer. Klopp is not at fault. He may be at fault for not buying better but he may not be as we can't all see behind the scenes. The fact of the matter is our defenders are useless. Maybe his team selection wasn't the best but people went mad about klavan against city so lovren had to come in. Robertson may have been able to play but for anyone asking for milner he doesn't offer what moreno does going forward and with him we may not have scored that first goal (may not have conceded the first either mind you) .

Anyway the fact of the matter is its not klopp fault that "professional footballers" can't do their basic job. Take gomez out of this as he's young and is being played out of position and played alongside garbage anyway. Matip, lovren and moreno are simply terrible, terrible footballers and no matter how long u coach them (and of course they are coaching, klopp and the staff believe it or not are not idiots and can see the problems) they are just not good players. They wudnt make it into teams in the bottom half of the premiership because those teams are actually well organised and wudnt stand for those sun standard performances. Lovren and Matip can't clear simple balls, they can't handle strikers with movement, pace or strength. What are their strengths meant to be? It isn't reading the game or communication either it's an absolute joke and they should be ashamed to collect their wage and put their manager in the firing line and allow him to take criticism. Surely there are defenders in the youth teams that could play instead of them.

Ugh sorry just sick of klopp getting the blame and watching those guys "perform" each week.

14 Sep 2017 05:12:27
The manager is always responsible for results.

14 Sep 2017 05:25:49
It was Klopp that gave Lovren a new contract even after all his brain farts on the pitch. It was Klopp that bought Matip and Klavan. If not Klopp, then where do u expect the blame to be placed? Who was so adamant on VVD (even after the tapping up fiasco) that no alternatives were lined up?
Accept it mate, Klopp got it wrong, very wrong this summer. The recruitment was a shambles and our defense gets worse with each game. The blame lies solely at the manager's feet.
Or will u feel better if we blame the tea lady or groundsman for the team's failings?

14 Sep 2017 07:12:53
I agree that our defensive set up is not very good, but its not Klopps fault that defenders can't hit a ball coming straight at them, or defenders that are just ball watching and has no awereness at all. Yes he should habe bought in atleast a cb, but its not just snapping your fingers and a new player arrives. Players have to be able to do basic stuff on order to win matches.

14 Sep 2017 07:01:44
Two years after he arrived this is now Klopp's team. Just as he gets praise when the team plays well he gets criticism when it plays badly. As Ron says this is his responsibility. If the defenders aren't good enough then it's his job to tweak the tactics to give them more protection. I admire his commitment to his philosophy but you've got to be able to compromise when things aren't working.

{Ed025's Note - your right about that putney and defensively he has to improve, but the supporters need to get real and realize that they will not conquer all thats put before them and that they dont have a divine right to win every game, they are still a work in progress and im sure klopp knows his failings and wants to address them but it will take time and a bit of patience, i think you are going the right way and have a very good manager who given time will get it right, but there are a lot of other teams who are stronger im afraid mate..

14 Sep 2017 08:16:48
Brilliant post, Ed. Those saying "Klopp out" should make an offer FSG can't refuse, buy the club and then sack and sign whoever they want. If not, then keep quiet and allow the rest of us to have real debates on the issues.

Ed01 has said that Klopp wants to change all the CB's and is working on making them better on the pitch. Now did he make a mistake extending the contracts of Migs and Lovren? Absolutely as I would have binned Migs and kept Lovren as third choice. Matip is regressing, big time as well. You cannot buy a new back line in one window like City is doing dopping 300m on CB's and even they are still crap at the back. We have to stop thinking we are bigger and better than we are. WE ARE NOT.

We are a team that is slowly improving and hiccups will happen along the way. Look at Spurs. Poch has been there for 4 seasons now and STILL has not won a thing YET many rate him better than Klopp, who he can't even score a goal against. That is the LFC fan of today as well. The grass is always greener on the other side. GET A GRIP! .

We will be fine esp. if our strikers are on form cos had they been last night, we would not be wasting our time talking about this. We just have to keep working hard and moving forward until we get to where we want to get to.

{Ed025's Note - given time im sure klopp will get it right bingo..

14 Sep 2017 00:19:11
So the 4th best team in England plays the 4th best team in Spain and it's a draw, what a disaster. Is this really what modern football has become? Every game Liverpool don't win there are inquests and people questioning the manager, it's pathetic. We are 7 games into the season and we've lost 1 game. Support!?! Some of you don't know the meaning of the word!

{Ed001's Note - what's this? A sensible post? Surely not!}

14 Sep 2017 04:59:55
Ed this poster must be banned immediately. Who is he to write logical post's on this site😁.

{Ed001's Note - I am sure it won't happen again, I am not sure it has ever happened before.}

14 Sep 2017 06:04:26
We have conceded 13 goals in 7 games which is an excellent stat! Add that into your positive list!

{Ed001's Note - how many defeats in those games Harry?}

14 Sep 2017 06:31:55
Cmon Ed01, How many drop points already mate? Are you seriously happy the way it's going? I am NOT! And some people are just blind on this page! I can tell you we ll concede 2 more against Burnley!

{Ed001's Note - give it a rest Harry, everything is knee jerk with you. You would have had Paisley sacked when he came in if you had been around. Last season you had Conte as a flop at this point. Just try and look at the bigger picture, it is early doors, but we are only 3 points off the top, I do not see why you lot are such a bunch of moaning whinging brats. You constantly make pronouncements of fact about guesses. It is just ridiculous. You need to calm down.}

14 Sep 2017 08:23:53
Ed, why are you responding to a non-LFC fan? Harry says he is a "football fan" (what ever the heck that means) and only posts on here and not on other clubs' sites allegedly.

No one cares what a "football fan" has to say esp. one who seems to change his tune the way my wife changes her shoes (and she has plenty to choose from) .

Non LFC fans are always welcome here BUT if you are not an LFC fan and all you do is bash us when you come on here, then keep those posts to yourself and allow the TRUE LFC fans debate the issues of our club.

{Ed001's Note - what is wrong with being a football fan?}

14 Sep 2017 12:46:23
There is nothing wrong with it, Ed. We are all football fans in the end as many of us watch football in general, not just LFC football. What I don't like is when a "football fan" comes on here and starts trashing our team, manager and club spouting the crap that you just responded to, whereas he has no affiliation to us or to other teams "allegedly", is out of order. I can't even banter with him cos "allegedly, he does not support any team nor post on other teams' fan sites. That is just nonsense.

I can take rival fans's banter cos we can go back and forth all in fun. But not from someone who does not have our best interest at heart and only cares about being right and being contrarian, bashing Klopp and and our boys every time he gets. You may be fine with that but I certainly, am not. We are a family and WE are the only ones who get to bash our family members. "Football fans" should stay out of it or get slated as well. That's my take.