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01 Jun 2017 21:29:37
The only real problem I see with salah is we will lose him to afcon along with mane
Otherwise very good signing
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1.) 01 Jun 2017 23:33:34
My thoughts exactly.




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23 Oct 2017 06:54:23
You have been told by Klopp himself it's going to be a roller coaster ride of ups and downs swings and roundabouts. We played a very good side we were poor it's true but let's try supporting getting behind the club and doing what fans do best and driving the team forward whilst playing stop bitching and whining when it don't go our way
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1.) 23 Oct 2017 08:00:20
Were we poor though? We played some good stuff at times. The difference is Lloris made 2 saves he had no right to make, and Alderweireld made a couple of stunning tackles you think are impossible to win cleanly.

In contrast, Mignolet conceded 4 soft goals he should be doing better with, and Lovren missed a basic header and let Kane breeze past him.

On the balance of play, we were just as good as them. However they have players who can keep the ball out the net and that made the difference.

I don't think the majority of the team played that badly. In fact i think it was two teams playing some lovely football and for a neutral it must've been great. At the end of the day though, we made 4 glaring mistakes and you can't do that against good teams. It has over shadowed the rest of the play because Firmino, Coutinho, Salah and Chamberlain all played very well.

{Ed001's Note - Coutinho played very well? Do you really think so?}

2.) 23 Oct 2017 08:26:31
With you, Redan. I don't have a problem with things being a roller coaster ride. It is part of the process when you are building. However, there are things Klopp can do right now that IMO, will help mitigate against these defensive errors starting with binning the Migs for good, play Can in the DM role for a run of games give Gomez and Matip a good run in the team cos Lovren is an accident waiting to happen and has been since he's been here. I commend his attitude and playing thru pain BUT this maybe weighing too heavily on him mentally and physically. Klopp can do both these things right now and IMO, they would help.

3.) 23 Oct 2017 09:07:49
There are things that Klopp should have done 2 years ago, and some that are still in his power. He could easily do most of them, and could have fairly easy to do most of the missed opportunities. Mingolet might have let in 4 soft goals, but he's let in about 12 soft goals so far this season yet keeps his place while better keepers consider the pitch an unrealistic pipe dream. That very much makes it Klopps fault. Similarly we have a CB playing at RB whilst our current CB is a) incompetence and b) injured. Whose fault is that? Why isn't Klopp big enough to bench him till he's mended?

There is so much that could be done with our squad to return to balance and improve the ability, at least at the back. Klopp looks exactly like BR right now though - more concerned with being proved right than he is with fixing our issues.

4.) 23 Oct 2017 09:26:03
Yeah i do Ed. Every time he ran at them he created problems and Spurs played so narrow to try and stifle him that it constantly left Salah and Chambo 1-on-1 with Aurier and Trippier. He put a couple of excellent deliveries in from open play, and Lloris made a flying save to deny him a great goal. His set pieces were poor though, but overall he played as well as a central player can hope to against a 3 man defence with a dedicated destroyer sat in front of them.

I feel as though when the result is bad, people tend to only remember the negatives. Just scoring a goal against Spurs takes some doing when they defend as well as they did yesterday. If we had defended half as well we'd have come away with something.

It is sad that Migs and Lovren undermined the whole team performance though. I'm not too disheartened though. If we'd been second best all over the pitch I'd be looking at Klopp. But it was just 2 individuals who let us down. The worry is though, will Klopp have it in him to drop them? I can't see it myself. Really wish Ward would get a run of games though. He'd have stopped at least 3 of them goals yesterday.

{Ed001's Note - I am sorry but you must have watched a different game from me with regards to Coutinho. He was fine when he was in the attacking third but he was trying to do the same in the defensive third and gave the ball away. Repeatedly. He was weak and just threw himself to ground looking for free kicks that were never free kicks. Most of his balls were either over hit or wayward, he was poor. I think the problem is that you are looking too hard for positives. He looked like a player that was playing for himself not the team.}

5.) 23 Oct 2017 09:46:18
MK i thought you understood football, we were horrible, if you think we we anything but horrendous you need to learn more about football, Spurs let us play when leading 4-1, nothing more nothing less. When there was a 2 goal lead we barley had a kick .

{Ed025's Note - they did take their foot off the gas mate..

6.) 23 Oct 2017 09:47:45
You are spot on hjikle, really worrying.

7.) 23 Oct 2017 10:07:21
One of the worse times I’ve seen Coutinho play. Every time he had the ball in our third he held on too long and got out muscled by Harry Winks or Trippier. He had one descent shot but apart from that was poor.

{Ed025's Note - i agree welsh..

8.) 23 Oct 2017 10:11:09
I just don't want to be all doom and gloom Ed. At the end of the day we've only lost twice still, to Man City and Spurs. I think it's fair to say that they'll be the top 2 this season.

Aside from that, 3rd is there for the taking and if we take advantage of our favourable run in up to Christmas we should be back in the mix. Chelsea look soft centred, Arsenal are a different team from week to week, and United aren't anywhere near as good as everyone is making out already having dropped points against Stoke (probably one of the 3 worst teams in the league) and lost to Huddersfield. We have had by far the hardest start to the season and yet we're still in touch with 4th place, which is our realistic expectation for the season.

The Spurs game is gone and as much as it hurt, slagging off everyone in the team won't achieve anything. You've said it yourself, the attack did it's job. We scored. Did we really expect to put 4 past Tottenham? I said before the game i expected a 1-1 draw. For me, 9 out of 11 players deserved a draw. 2 didn't. The issue yesterday was Lovren and Mignolet did everything they could to cost us the game so that is the issue to focus on, rather than look for negatives in everything else because we're hurt by a bad, bad result. I feel like blaming the rest of the team is just ignoring the real issue; Klopp has totally screwed up with this goal keeping situation.

Just my opinion though. If Coutinho's shot had gone in the top corner people would be saying he played well and was one of the only players trying to make things happen. He was as effective as Salah, but Salah's chance went in so he is getting plaudits. Football is fickle like that. Opinions rest on a knife edge and a single moment can change everyone's outlook. We all know that Coutinho is a big moment player. Almost a luxury that you accommodate because every so often, those shots do fly in and we win because of them sometimes.

Perhaps i am trying to hard to be positive! But it makes me feel better than looking for all the negatives and ignoring the positives as though they weren't there 😊 on a side note, whilst it is easy to fix the keeper issue by just giving Ward a chance, i have no idea how to resolve the centre back issue in the short term.

{Ed025's Note - as i said i applaud your positivity MK, for me though couts was poor but salah was probably my MOTM but what do i know..

9.) 23 Oct 2017 10:51:28
I agree with the Eds about Coutinho. He can have that many touches and that much time when he's at Barcelona but we are Liverpool and it's the Premier League. Keep the ball moving. An old Liverpool adage was when the ball stops you invite a challenge.
And stop shooting from anywhere, Pip!

10.) 23 Oct 2017 11:13:45
Mk it’s not all doom and gloom we had a very poor day no hiding from that but I still say someone is going to get a hiding from us when these efforts on goal start flying in so I think the roller coaster ride is here for the season there will be some massive highs and some very lows strap yourself in and smile folks
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11.) 23 Oct 2017 11:09:06
You were spot on Ed 001 about Couts yesterday. He was trying but was awful too. He just looked tired and was easily overwhelmed each time he had the ball. If we had defenders who could defend (Moreno caused half our problems yesterday) and a really good goalie (like the Lama) we might be winning these games.



17 Oct 2017 21:33:23
As I say Klopp hasn’t got to a clue has lads
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1.) 17 Oct 2017 22:34:04
The Klopp out people will be out in force again if we lose at Spurs on Sunday.

2.) 17 Oct 2017 22:51:43
Unfortunately Bingo mate football is a results business and if like you mention we lose on Sunday then that would be 2 wins in 10 games. I won't be calling for Klopps head but again I would be asking questions. But anyway let's cross that bridge if we come to it. For now let's enjoy the feeling of tonight's win.

3.) 18 Oct 2017 13:59:59
What Klopp out people? I know many people are starting to doubt him - I know I have my doubts - but I'm still yet to see anyone who actually seems to have a history of supporting the club saying they want Klopp out.



14 Sep 2017 06:44:31
Have to say on another night we would have won five nil and all the moaning mertles would be lauding sir jurgen klopp fickle fickle fans.
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{Ed025's Note - your right redan liverpool supporters need to get over themselves, they seem to think they have a divine right to beat all thats put before them, who the hell do they think they are?, you lot need a reality check you are no longer a force in european football or even the domestic scene for that matter, all these posts that have things like "lets destroy them and such have to stop, liverpool are a decent side and will be up there vying for top 4 im sure but you are far from the finished article, lets have a bit of perspective and a reality check and not get upset when so called inferior opposition get a result against you, come on guys i like your passion but lets not kid ourselves..

1.) 14 Sep 2017 07:24:52
I was a huge rugby union fan for a long time and in that sport you find the supporters want to see an entertaining enjoyable game first, result second. I've kept that mentality with me, and with that in mind, results aside, the vast majority of our games are entertaining as hell. I remember when klopp first signed, ed01 told u all that his tenure would be a rollercoaster and certainly not boring. I concur whole heartedly with this. One thing we are not is boring. Of course I want us to win things, but I want to be entertained too. Isn't that the point?

2.) 14 Sep 2017 07:13:37
Cannot disagree with u ed025 and things could be worse like losing at home three nil hahahaha
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{Ed025's Note - your dead right redan (thanks for reminding me), fans think seville were coming to anfield to roll over and how dare them get a draw!, they should just be grateful to share a pitch with the mighty reds..

3.) 14 Sep 2017 07:34:51
Those pesky positive fans wanting to destroy teams at home, how dare they want to win and get 3 points in the Champions League. What is the world coming too?

{Ed025's Note - positivity i can live with KR, but when it borders on delusion and shear disdain for opponents then it becomes a problem mate..

4.) 14 Sep 2017 07:45:09
On another night the deflection wouldn't have happened and we would have lost the game 2-1 and all the super positive posters would have taken a smal break till Saturday evening 😄.
Sevilla were far more organized than Liverpool.

We will always concede, the only question is how many should we score to secure 3 points? My take would be 4 goals per game.

{Ed025's Note - very harsh harry, liverpool are a good side mate even though they have defensive issues, very good to watch if your a neutral and i believe you have the scope to improve if the manager is given time..

5.) 14 Sep 2017 07:45:25
Hands down my favourite Ed, 025. Whenever you're on I know the replies will be detailed with a hint of sarcasm.

{Ed025's Note - cheers burkey, i try to be objective mate and offer a different perspective on things, but of course some will see me as the devil incarnate..

6.) 14 Sep 2017 08:15:07
Not sure where fickle comes from?
I think most fans are frustrated because we couldn't see the game out. Yes Seville are a decent side but it's a game we should have won.

Yet again, the the hard work was un done with calamitous defending, it's the same story over and over. And actually, we could have lost the game 2-3 right at the end had it not been for poor finishing on their part.

7.) 14 Sep 2017 07:49:21
A problem for who?

I guess you used all your positivity up at Villareal away in 2005?

{Ed025's Note - a problem in terms of expectation KR, this is not the 80,s mate and you are not at the top of the footballing tree anymore..get used to it..

8.) 14 Sep 2017 07:50:29
Great post, Ed25. There is no perspective among our fans anymore. If someone had posted what Ed25 did, many of the self righteous fans on social media would say, "So you like mediocrity? or We are LFC, we should be doing this and that to whoever or I remember during the stoneage where we used to dominate" blah, blah, blah.

We are no longer a force anymore, anywhere as Ed25 said and Sevilla are a damn good team and had we finished our chances, we would be celebrating the fact that we completely smashed the 4 best team in Spain behind the big three (RM, Barcelona abd AM) which is nothing to sneeze at. We have ourselves to blame for the draw so people should just get over themselves cos really, LFC as a club right now, ain't all that.

{Ed025's Note - thanks bingo, im not trying to rain on your parade or anything just pointing out as a neutral that you cant expect to win every game, i hear things like "we will smash them" and other teams are crap which shows a lack of respect and humility, then when you lose its "we are rubbish" or you want the manager sacked, i just want the knee jerk reactions to stop mate..

9.) 14 Sep 2017 07:50:51
Correct me if I am wrong Ed025. But donyou seriously expect Liverpool to respect teams like Moscow, Sevilla and be contained with deaws? I see you are playing Atalanta today and I ll see how Evertonians behave if you loose that game!
This is the easiest group by far and we are struggling!

{Ed025's Note - you have only played one game harry and drew with a decent seville side, you battered them first half then lost your way somewhat in the second half and bar for missing a penalty would be topping the group, thats why i ask for perspective mate..

10.) 14 Sep 2017 07:52:42
I have a problem with the fact that we're it not the consecutive mistakes and simple brain dead nature of our midfield and defenders we would have won that. You don't deserve to win when you can't take care of the basics.

11.) 14 Sep 2017 08:22:27
On another night can't defend Harry the penalty would have gone in and 3 2 would have been the score. Whatever the results problems etc I still love em
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12.) 14 Sep 2017 08:37:10
Ed 025 you are bang on the money, we haven't got the rite too beat anyone an in all honesty we will never win leagues or cups with the way the club is ran, the success is not geared towards winning on the pitch, its geared towards being a tourist attraction living off our past history an glory, also a top club doesn't tap up players an have our name dragged through the mud.

{Ed025's Note - mistakes have been made hailstones but liverpool is still a massive club, and you are being a bit harsh on FSG there mate as winning trophies is their main aim and would be the best way to achieve a return on their investment mate..

13.) 14 Sep 2017 10:25:14
you are a good human being ed 25.

14.) 14 Sep 2017 09:43:54
I think saying 'let's smash them' is fine for any fan Ed, even Everton fans ;-) . It has to be tinged with a bit of reality and we've certainly had that recently.

15.) 14 Sep 2017 12:22:59
Ed25, the knee jerk reactions won't stop, I can guarantee you that. I read other comments boards of other LFC fan sites and trust me, we are civilized on this forum compared to the abject bile being spouted on these sites.

Harry, why do you care what we do or don't do as all you do is come on here and bash our players, manager and club, of which you're not even a fan?

{Ed025's Note - i read some other forums bingo and your right some of the things said are evil mate..

16.) 14 Sep 2017 16:48:59
Ed 25, the issue is no that as Liverpool fans, we have divine right or beat everyone, it's the fact that once again, we threw yet another game away through woeful defending.

This is not about beating a team 5-0 but getting the job done.

17.) 14 Sep 2017 16:49:54
ed25, I completely agree with everything you said to be honest.

We have many fans who know we aren't the finished article (heck what team genuinely is? Every team, even Madrid/ Barca have days when they lose to random teams. Perfection in football is a dead concept)
But many of our fans are in 2 minds about whether the glass is half full, or half empty with LFC.

When we win we are the best in the world but when we lose it’s all doom and gloom and the manager should be sacked xD.



28 Aug 2017 10:54:56
Getting away from transfers I hope all our players come back injury free from this international break as last year we were very unlucky
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14 Aug 2017 07:13:55
Hi eds did ed001 do a match report I can't find it tried search function as it's always interesting to read many thanks
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{Ed001's Note - it is here: a href="">match report I always post them on our FNV site.}

1.) 14 Aug 2017 09:03:36
Thanks ed001 again very good report love reading your reports. Many fans bemoan lovren and at times he is stupid is best way of putting it but I still think matip is way worse cannot see what he brings to be honest not player bashing but he escapes more criticism than lovren and I can't understand why. Anyways the team will get better once coutinho ordeal is sorted think that had definitely affected the team what do u think ed001 or do u think Watford game was just rustiness
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{Ed001's Note - I think Matip gets away with it because he is silky on the ball. People remember those moments when he charges forward more than they do the amount of times he gave away possession needlessly or failed to close someone down or chase back etc.

I think Watford was partly the early kick off, they are always a bit meh at the start unless a big derby match. Rustiness defo came into it. The Couts thing too. Mainly though this is a problem within the club that has been going on for years, we always seem to be too laidback at the start and take a while to get going.}

2.) 14 Aug 2017 09:31:26
Or coz we pass it too many times to Matip to pick players ahead something Henderson need to take responsibility of!
Often Henderson becomes the CB and Matip take the DLP role.

3.) 14 Aug 2017 09:33:07
Spot on, Ed. I love Matip as he is a fine CB BUT he is WAAAAYYYY too nice. He lacks a backbone, does not seem to like getting stuck in, shies away from taking charge of situations. Did Klopp want him to be a leader when he came in? I don't know. I agree that he needs to improve on that front but he is a good CB, for sure. I also think Lovren gets a bad rap at times. he was brilliant vs Okaka (after the goal) and vs Gray as both targeted him for some reason I don't understand and he ate both of them up. He had a very good game and was more dominant than Matip. Thoughts, Ed?

{Ed001's Note - do you honestly think Matip is a fine CB? He is good on the ball but he is so poor defensively, imo. Lazy at getting back if caught out too, strolls when a centre back should sprint if caught out to get back and help out. I do not like what I have seen from Matip at all. He needs to be more aggressive.}

4.) 14 Aug 2017 09:47:04
Kinda disagree ed, in the near past the problem used to be the opposite, we'd come out of the blocks firing and start the second half poorly.

{Ed001's Note - only for a short period. Most of the time I can remember slow starts have been a major problem for us.}

5.) 14 Aug 2017 10:10:12
Ed if you read my post you will see that I enumerated his flaws and his need to be more aggressive and stuck in so in essence, I agreed with your point and still do.

{Ed001's Note - yeah I saw, which is why I was wondering why you called him a fine and good centre back?}

6.) 14 Aug 2017 11:16:22
Sorry, Ed. Maybe "fine" was the wrong word. I should have said"good" CB as he is definitely not a bad one BUT one who needs to improve his game and his mentality.

On another note, I think Lovren gets a bad rap at times as a CB. I know his head can go and panics under pressure BUT he does not lack ability, is very physical and relishes a challenge and is aggressive (a bit over at times) and gets stuck in. On Sat, I thought he played Okaka well after his goal, shut him out and also shut out Gray. he was very good overall and did set up the move for the 3rd goal. But many seem to always scapegoat him every time we concede. What do you think about him?

{Ed001's Note - he is too rash, but he does have quality. If he had a bit more pace it would make a huge difference, as his rashness wouldn't leave him so high and dry all the time.}




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25 Oct 2017 10:29:15
Haha no Salah rednick
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16 Aug 2017 12:54:38
Cool thanks macca
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08 Aug 2017 11:12:26
Hobo hahahaha ed002 you crack me up.




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07 Jul 2017 12:46:53
good and interesting reading that ed002 thanks for you input
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08 Jun 2017 06:43:11
Make you right ed001 with it sounding to contrived but it does not mean what he has said is not the truth. Like you say it's not difficult to follow the correct way of approaching a transfer a club either says yes or no what is the problem. Baffling really still men in suits are never the smartest.
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11 Dec 2017 11:24:57
To right klopsreds so many bitching and whining jeez it was a merseyside Derby they are never easy or straight forward yes we had chances to win but that's football try getting behind the team and let's do our job right first cause we have been pretty quite at our home games so we are not perfect either
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09 Nov 2017 14:40:12
Haha carting Skrtel to true Ed001. He was really good shame about those injuries
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25 Oct 2017 11:32:28
Yeah they are pretty good ed 001 by the way very very enjoyable
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25 Oct 2017 10:31:45
Haha the dog needs walking the floor needs sweeping c'mon ed these are all jobs u should be doing
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23 Oct 2017 11:13:45
Mk it’s not all doom and gloom we had a very poor day no hiding from that but I still say someone is going to get a hiding from us when these efforts on goal start flying in so I think the roller coaster ride is here for the season there will be some massive highs and some very lows strap yourself in and smile folks
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