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27 Jun 2022 22:15:16
Hi,
Quick question regarding Sterling did Liverpool have a buy back clause (not saying I would personally like to see him return) or a sell on clause at all.
{Ed002's Note - No. The circumstances of his departure were far from good.}
27 Jun 2022 22:46:10
I believe there's an unwritten "no chance in hell" clause attached to Sterling.
27 Jun 2022 21:29:14
Article in Teamtalk saying we are going to snatch Dembele away from Chelsea at the 11th hour.
it goes onto say that he could be Mo's replacement, surely not.
27 Jun 2022 12:24:29
You got to laugh, apparently now, with only 2 days left for ousmane dembele to accept new terms, then he is off to a new club on a free and we have now submitted and are top of the list for offers for his services. I just cannot see that and more paper BS.
27 Jun 2022 13:07:10
Where is he going to fit in with the 20 other new players we're supposed to be signing?
27 Jun 2022 13:26:03
Ok, Dembele and ‘the Otter’ in and Keita and Salah out - job done.
27 Jun 2022 13:55:23
Never get a game the fsg out brigade want at least 6 new wingers.
27 Jun 2022 13:56:06
Doesn’t he want more money than Salah.
27 Jun 2022 14:41:57
Dembulance 🚑 🤕.
27 Jun 2022 15:10:42
I think we should ban Dembele talk. It's not good for our health. I think VVVV got so worked up he moved to the New Forest to live as Tarzan in total isolation from the internet.
27 Jun 2022 15:58:12
MK Scouser, if true about VVVV, I’m sure we can get a carrier pigeon sorted to deliver him a message that Demebele is about to sign, that’ll get him swinging.
27 Jun 2022 19:24:32
Just mention Traore and he will come :)
27 Jun 2022 23:39:01
Part of LFC's transfer tactics are surely to give out tonnes of bum steers, this being one.
27 Jun 2022 12:19:48
The Echo are now reporting that "Anfield sources [are] distancing the Reds from such speculation" and that "he's not a target and never has been".
Furthermore "Reds bosses believe such reports have materialised from sources close to the midfielder in an effort to promote the Portuguese and drum up potential interest should he leave Porto. "
Make of that what you will, but expect the Melwood lean soon then!
{Ed002's Note - Assuming you mean Otavio. The club met with his agent.}
27 Jun 2022 12:36:42
Yes, thank you Ed002, I forget to mention his name!
Did the club meet with his agent recently (in the last few weeks)?
{Ed002's Note - Yes.}
27 Jun 2022 15:30:01
The Echo is obviously being taken for a ride. Octavio has been on our radar since last summer, as confirmed by Ed002 and a few other media sources. No denial from the club, ever.
And after talks have begun, suddenly there is a denial? Sounds very convenient, to me. Classic negotiation moves.
27 Jun 2022 16:16:10
I read the stuff on Otavio, where the club has distanced themselves from any speculation. What does the club have to gain in doing so? Makes me wonder if the Echo is being willingly careless, putting out a story rooted in a bad source, for the sake of views.
27 Jun 2022 17:28:11
Hi Ed, i read that Luka Sucic of Salzburg was also one of the list for LFC's summer target. Any views Ed?
Thank you and have a great day.
{Ed002's Note - Luka Sucic (CM) There has been growing interest in the youngster with RBS fending off interest from Arsenal and Juventus by making it clear he is not for sale. This has not stopped the interest of Lazio who see the youngster as a Sergej Milinkovic-Savic replacement. Newcastle have spoken with RBS about the player and will make a bid. Milan have a declared interest but a move seems unlikely. RBS have said a number of other sides have sent scouts to watch him and this will include Liverpool, considering him as an alternative to Bellingham. The player has said he would like to play in Germany.}
27 Jun 2022 19:54:19
Sucic i really like the look of from the little I’ve seen Can’t win the CL without a Croatian in the squad these days either.
27 Jun 2022 21:36:05
This midfield while high in numbers unfortunately lacks durability and breadth of quality.
When Thiago doesn't play the midfield lacks a lot and without Fabinho looks very vulnerable. The likelihood is that Thiago will miss a number of games, especially as he gets older. Hendo looked physically knackered at times and even Fabinho cannot do it every week. Milner is ok for the odd game and there are still huge questions marks over Naby"s fitness and 90 min performance level.
The likes of Jones and Elliott are great at driving forward but aren't defensive players. That's fine, let's not try and make them into something they are not. Let them do what they are good at.
In all of our options though we lack an athletic, pacy, young, strong defensive midfielder to sit along side and then cover Fabinho. That makes us very vulnerable in transition, runners from midfield and players in between the lines.
With this recruitment team I am sure they have their eye on someone this summer. The reliable journos said months ago the club believed Tchou would end up at Madrid and so I think their main target is someone else. I think they realise we cannot wait a season but are putting that message out there to play a bit of poker with the buying club at the moment and avoid us getting rinsed on the price. A little like they did re Alisson after the CL final in 2018. With that player in we will be a match for anyone this season!
26 Jun 2022 18:48:57
After reading Ed002’s input about Otavio I decided to have a look and see if it was being reported anywhere.
Funnily enough after the post a very reliable Portuguese newspaper has said that Liverpool and Porto are currently in talks over the transfer and that his agent was in England over the past week speaking to a few clubs.
I know ed002 you said that Liverpool had ‘additional interest’ but are you aware whether Liverpool and Porto are currently in discussions regarding a transfer or if there’s only been contact with the agent thus far?
Thanks for your fantastic input as always!
{Ed002's Note - I don't know the situation right now, but Liverpool certainly have the opportunity to do something.}
26 Jun 2022 19:29:30
That’s always a positive sign.
Do you know what sort of fee he’d command? Leeds had a bid of around £25mil rejected so I’d assume around the £30mil ballpark.
Also sorry to ask but do you know how well thought of he is as a player? The interest only seems to be primarily from Leeds and Liverpool.
Thanks!
{Ed002's Note - The fee is of no relevance. He is well thought of.}
26 Jun 2022 20:02:52
Surly if we buy Octavio, ox would be moving on. If I'm thinking of the right player, octavio v similar player to bernado Silva, v good technically in possession and v wicked and aggressive out of possession.
26 Jun 2022 20:00:43
Many thanks for the info. Have a good day.
26 Jun 2022 20:24:28
Sounds like you have the right player Digger. Very similar to Bernardo, but right footed and a slightly more powerful runner with that ball who can also hit it from range. Aggressive and creative. A very good combination in a player!
26 Jun 2022 20:28:54
Looks like it's on from all the info coming out of Portugal. Same paper that broke the nunez story saying we are in talks. Never seen him play but supposed to be mustard.
26 Jun 2022 21:08:22
He looks like a Klopp type squad player who would not be on silly wages, and could cover a few positions. Looks very hard working .
This makes sense as a no frills quality squad upgrade.
26 Jun 2022 19:38:49
Ed2 saying "Liverpool certainly have the opportunity to do something" is Enough to make anyone's weekend whole.
Thank you for who you are and all that you do!
26 Jun 2022 19:40:11
Great news, from what I’ve read he looks a very good player. Fingers crossed we get this one sorted.
26 Jun 2022 22:58:29
this page must have matured. either that or Otavia is the real deal lol
not seeing the usual doubtful posts and comments like "FSG don't buy old" etc etc
:D.
26 Jun 2022 23:13:45
Faith. I’m doubtful mate 😂 floptavio god damn Leeds target. Shocking.
26 Jun 2022 23:58:32
What’s even more peculiar is, everybody knew all about Diaz and Nunez as they had all watched the Portuguese League for years but had obviously been watching all the matches on the weekends Otavio goes shopping.
27 Jun 2022 04:08:51
Isn't everyone after Leeds players like Philips, Raphinho.
27 Jun 2022 07:17:50
Ha ha WDW. that made me laugh! So true.
27 Jun 2022 10:33:05
[Neil Jones] Told there's no truth in reports linking Liverpool with a move for Porto's Otavio this summer. Not a target and never has been.
27 Jun 2022 11:31:49
Well if what you lot have mentioned about him is true. he certainly sounds like Someone we need. Runs with ball and likes a long range shot. With minamino going and hopefully clearing out the ox, could be a shrewd buy to cover multiple positions.
Fingers crossed on this.
27 Jun 2022 12:15:07
We won’t be buying a 27 year old to play in Elliot’s position. No chance. Otavio’s shooting is poor at best he can’t score goals in Portugal so I doubt he can in the PL.
27 Jun 2022 22:26:48
Since when is the fee of no relevance!
27 Jun 2022 22:28:52
Since when is the fee of no relevance?
{Ed002's Note - Always as the supporters like you don’t understand the finances at all.}
26 Jun 2022 10:55:34
Is there any interest in Keita, Ed?
{Ed002's Note - I don't think there have been any approaches.}
26 Jun 2022 11:20:39
Do you think there might be?
{Ed002's Note - I cannot make such predictions - but I doubt it.}
26 Jun 2022 12:52:29
He's on big wages plus as you've said Ed002 he's restricted to what countries he can play in unfortunately.
26 Jun 2022 13:38:34
I believe Toby Carvery are looking for spud peelers.
26 Jun 2022 13:53:01
Iron man, does that job have hazard pay because it sounds a bit strenuous for him!
I'm just bantering by the way before the lynch mob come after me!
26 Jun 2022 16:09:21
Lynch mob or lunch mob, MK? ;)
26 Jun 2022 17:24:00
Can anyone recall how well thought of keita was, I remember there was a lot of excitement (even the handing over of the number 8 shirt) . But non Liverpool fans, was it a big deal, I find it staggering just how ineffective he has been. There's a long list of players we've signed that disappointed, off the top my head aqualani was the big one for me, where I thought we had signed a player that could add something different. But I don't put keita in that bracket, he never seemed that exciting or different. Thiago would be the most recent example, though I'm delighted with him and he has lived up to the expectation that came with a pedigree. It's a genuine question did keita have much of a pedigree or did we just spend 50 odd million on a player like the 7 million on taki? If so who would rather take a hit and have sold keita for 8-10 million and have kept taki?
{Ed0666's Note - Aqualini was injured when we bought him and let’s face it he was an absolute flop! For me tho the biggest waste of money in our history was/is Andy Caroll, we got our pants pulled down on that one royally. L
26 Jun 2022 17:57:47
Benteke was on par with terrible Carroll imo! Shame as well, he was good for the villa system at the time.
26 Jun 2022 18:02:10
Genuinely forgot about Carroll. I think I just erased him from my memory. Though I wasn't excited about him either. Which I guess is my point, am I wrong to be disappointed in keita, he didn't set the fee, I just honestly can't remember if he was rated that much outside of big fee expectations.
26 Jun 2022 18:09:54
Borini, the last time I watched YouTube clips about an incoming player…. thought he was a world beater 😂.
26 Jun 2022 18:20:50
Borini looked good biting his hand though.
26 Jun 2022 18:33:03
Julian Dicks - was supposed to be a decent left back.
26 Jun 2022 19:18:51
It’s completely unfair on Benteke. He never stood a chance in Klopp’s system. He’s a target man and that’s not our system.
The biggest flop ever for me is Balotelli: a fraud of a footballer and the fact we thought he could replace the most mobile and flexible forward we’ve ever had in Suarez was numskullery.
26 Jun 2022 20:05:40
Benteke, Borini, Balotelli, Carroll, all absolute pony.
26 Jun 2022 20:33:19
Carroll was swept under the carpet as soon as we announced Suarez that same day. Suarez made the headlines positive, 2 wrongs don't make a right though.
26 Jun 2022 21:54:44
Ed0666 I thought it was just Carroll attitude he could have been a very good player destroyed Terry in a game. But it was his drinking effecting him injured all the time.
{Ed0666's Note - I’m not sure caroll had the talent even if he’d acquired the application mate. Wasn’t even that great at Newcastle if you ask me.
26 Jun 2022 22:13:32
Keita is bad but he is not £8-10 Million bad. More like £20-25 Million bad. But the point is that FSG will never sell him at even that price after having paid what they have. I think Klopp would have kept Taki, but Taki simply wanted more playing time. I read in an interview how he said that the 10 goals didn't mean as much to him as the need to be more involved with the team and its success.
26 Jun 2022 23:52:46
El Hadji Diouf for me. The worst ever. A no.9 striker that went through a whole season without scoring 2003 - 2004. I remember I deliberately did not watch Liverpool games when he played after his spat against Celtic fans. Horrible player, worse human being.
27 Jun 2022 00:27:07
Keita is a better player than Taki. As well as Taki did you have to remember the good performances and goals were in the cups. We wouldn't have won those cups without him, but let's be honest if Taki was staring games ahead of mane, Diaz, Salah, jota firmino and maybe even Origi fans would have went mad. We seen in big matches in the champions league and league at the end of the season when Keita gets a run and form he put in some very decent displays along side fab and thiago.
27 Jun 2022 10:46:30
I remember watching Andy Carroll score a hat trick including an over head kick after coming on as a sub for England u21s and I wanted us to sign him from that moment he scored plenty in the championship at the time then got a good amount in the prem before we signed him in the January and I thought it was going to be amazing how wrong I was.
27 Jun 2022 11:36:04
Ballotelli was dreadful. Worse than Carroll for me. Richie lambert wasn't much better or voronin or borini. god we've had some dross upfront.
27 Jun 2022 16:17:18
In terms of absolute amounts spend on a player, Keita has been the biggest waste of money in LFC history.
Though Carroll, Balotelli, Benteke and Aquilani were probably even more useless, they didn't break the 50 million mark. Phew.
Keita should have been sold before Taki.
But you aren't taken seriously if you're from Japan or Korea.
Son was probably the best forward in the league last year and didn't even make the team of the year, never mind player of the year.
26 Jun 2022 10:38:47
Ed's is there any interest for Mo this summer or just click bait out there I know it's not ideal to sell him and mane in the same window but it's better than getting nothing for him. Or is it a case of he would not move this year and is waiting for the big pay off next seasons.
{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any approach to Liverpool for him nor the club making him available. If they do, it would not be in the best interests of the player to move this summer.}
26 Jun 2022 10:55:20
Because if he were to move this summer he wouldn’t get a huge sign on bonus, but will next year when he’s a free agent?
{Ed002's Note - Right. Obviously the club still want him to sign a new contract.}
26 Jun 2022 11:05:40
Mo has already stated that he will be here next season, and clearly won't diminish his position . Barcelona all the way.
A mid price replacement is surely coming in in prep for next season though.
26 Jun 2022 11:04:38
Id rather the club sign a replacement now so we aren't short come next season. Mo clearly wants to move next season because he can choose who and where and it's better financially for him and his team. We should also be selfish as a club. IF we aren't going to realise a fee for him then, being left short or paying over the odds for a replacement next season will surely stand us in better stead now. Gives the new player a season to bed in. Id go all out for Rafinha. We need to look after the club and not the whims of Mo's over inflated ego. He's been average by his standards for months (probably tired id imagine), maybe we've had the best out of him, no one can't tell for sure. What do you think Ed001?
{Ed001's Note - I think he just needed a rest and reset after the heartbreak of the AFCON.}
26 Jun 2022 11:12:07
Cheers Ed001 my thoughts too. Id love him to stay but I think Mo will be out for Mo. Id rather get his replacement in now if we can. Then there's no panic buying and over paying next season.
26 Jun 2022 11:39:20
Problem is if things don't go well at start of next season he will be the scapegoat like he has been for last 6 months.
26 Jun 2022 11:47:21
War machine who’s made him a scapegoat? We had an incredible season and I for one was over the moon to win two cups and push city all the way. I think Salah has enough credit in the bank to have a bad patch and still be loved by the fans even if he does leave next year.
Salah will be back to his best come the start of the season.
This isn’t having a pop at you by the way WM just my opinion mate 👍🏻.
26 Jun 2022 11:50:12
Only for the idiots WarMachine. Still been a massive player for us no matter what his form is. Best player in the world at one point. Let’s hope he stays and gets his form back after a good rest. I still think we should sign someone though to replace him now whilst these players are available.
26 Jun 2022 13:35:50
I don’t understand your posts Jimblelfc because in your first post you said “We need to look after the club and not the whims of Mo's over inflated ego. He's been average by his standards for months (probably tired id imagine), maybe we've had the best out of him” and then you say in your last post only idiots would say things like that etc, talk about contradicting yourself, make up your mind lad.
26 Jun 2022 14:01:07
[SimonBrundish] @MoSalah has compiled the greatest attacking performance over a 5 year period, of any @LFC player in history.
26 Jun 2022 14:14:58
How have I scapegoated him Sid19? Do you know what a scapegoat is? He’s been average by his own standards. Everyone can see that. I’m not making this up. He needs to get his head down and play if he’s staying or carry on with the Mo show if not. I never said he was bad and never blamed him for any dips in team form so therefore not scapegoating. He has got an over inflated ego. Doesn’t make him a bad person. I’d just rather get someone in now while he makes his mind up.
26 Jun 2022 16:41:54
Jimblelfc not sure what scapegoat has got to do with my message and I’m not a 100% sure but “scapegoated” isn’t a word so no maybe I don’t know what it means but hey you can enlighten me as for an over inflated ego I’ve never known him to be like that too but maybe you know him better than me.
26 Jun 2022 17:44:43
Spaceman. How dare you put up stats like that on here; you know we frown on fact based conclusions. Better to dwell on the ignorance and arrogance of such players (let's include Mane in here since we are at it) who are not willing to work for the club below their market value and their market rate.
Sarcasm aside, if there is an attacking player that deserves to be the highest paid LFC player ever, then Salah is it. But I would never ever suggest giving Salah 400K per week, because it would kill our wage structure and wreak havoc in the dressing room and the club. I wish something would happen or someone would intervene and tell both sides to find a happy medium somewhere in the middle and we could all go back to just winning games.
{Ed0666's Note - Buy your own logic if any attacking player in our history deserves to be paid £400k a week it’s Salah so why should he settle for a happy medium? That doesent make any sense at all mate.
26 Jun 2022 16:46:43
For those saying Salah has an over inflated ego, i understand that the amounts of money mentioned with these top footballers are crazy to us fans but what we have to understand that Mo is elite and i'd imagine he'll be in the top 3,maybe 2 for the ballon D'or! He rightfully wants be be paid as much as some of these players who'll get nowhere near him in the voting.
26 Jun 2022 18:01:59
I still can't understand why Salah is getting the wrap from our fans. Selfish or not, we have achieved so much and he's been pivotal to us winning trophies. If Salah wants more money or a new challenge that's totally acceptable and no different to somebody deserving going for a pay rise in typical employment.
26 Jun 2022 20:59:27
Ed0666, what I meant is that 400K is way too high given our wage structure. It would cause irreparable damage to the cohesion of the team. Give him something like 300-325K for a 3 year contract, and hope he'll accept. And he'd still be the highest paid Liverpool player ever. Everyone is happy.
But realistically speaking he probably would not agree. He doesn't have to look far to see De Bruyne on 400K, Grealish on 300K and Sterling on 300K too.
{Ed0666's Note - exactly mate. If you give him north of 300 then Virgil could pipe up and then a domino effect..you get my drift. I would suggest that Mo is gone sooner rather than later and a new contract he won’t be signing as he would have done it by now.
27 Jun 2022 11:40:00
Be sad to see him go but it's a tough one. He could have a stinker of a season and not get his wish anyway. Personally hope we bags 20+ IF he stays.
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