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11 Jan 2025 17:13:16
Kvaratskhelia has handed in a transfer request and wants to leave napoli immediately, conte just confirmed this in his press conference. Let's see what happens folks.
1.) 11 Jan 2025 17:23:51
It won’t be Liverpool so sit back and enjoy.
2.) 11 Jan 2025 17:31:25
He’s going to psg.
3.) 11 Jan 2025 17:32:17
I've only just learned how to spell Szoboszlai.
4.) 11 Jan 2025 17:35:18
If only Ed002 was here to say “this not involve Liverpool”.
5.) 11 Jan 2025 17:43:38
Personal terms agreed with PSG. Really not sure why Orsntein linked us with him yesterday. He is a FSG guy. Weird one if we don't go in for him tonight.
6.) 11 Jan 2025 18:34:20
We won’t be making an offer for him. He’ll join psg and be stat padding against some French sheep farmers next week.
7.) 11 Jan 2025 18:48:07
Who really fell for this nonsense? We aren’t getting players of that status anymore.
8.) 11 Jan 2025 19:26:32
“That status”? You mean players who play in a position in which we are already stacked and whose stats are nowhere near as good as the options we already have?
I love how clickbait not being accurate is somehow a failure of the clubs owners.
9.) 11 Jan 2025 20:04:00
@Magico, I’ll bet you MO’s agent, and by inference VVD’s and TAA’s agents, got the message that was sent.
10.) 11 Jan 2025 20:05:28
If you think he isn't better than gakpo, Diaz, jota nunez in that position your crazy shipley. Status might of been the wrong word but he's definitely a big upgrade on those. And I love Diaz to bits but I'd swap him instantly.
11.) 11 Jan 2025 22:57:06
Definitely an upgrade no question about it. Would have been great signing but doesn’t seem to be happening unless we bid soon and even then upto him.
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15 Jan 2025 08:16:06
Ed001, do you think we should just get used to having lacklustre first halves under slot as he gauges how to adjust things to take advantage of the opposition? According to feyenoord fans, even at the height of their dominance this was also a feature of slot's reign, they weren't steamrolling teams from minute one but feeling their way into the game and having the opposition come on them before slowly strangling the life out of them.
I think he deserves massive credit for knowing when to switch things up and drop gravenberch into the center half role so that we can create more overloads in midfield and control the game against teams happy to sit in a low block (and gravenberch deserves applause for how he performs in such situations), but a lot of the time slot's way of playing is in so many ways the exact opposite of klopp's- measured, precise, and even kind of conservative in a lot of ways. You have mentioned that our press has been found wanting lately, and generally I think slot is reluctant to commit too much at all to a man to man high press, and our out of possession structure is calibrated in a way that we don't get done on the break, with gakpo especially always positioned so he can cover the space between fullback and midfield.
I wonder what you make of this more mechanical approach to football, where players have much more defined roles than klopp's, where in our prime the relentless high press created thoroughly unpredictable satiations and the front three had more freedom to solve problems on their own? Also, we seem to have big problems with teams who disrupt our rhythm and interrupt the control we are trying to impose by time wasting, fouling, etc, how are we supposed to counteract this?
{Ed001's Note - I very much think it is the way he plays and it will become normal. The only issue I see with it is that most of the changes could have been made before half-time. It was clear they were not coming out of their low block, were not going to be baited, so we could have stopped the slow sauntering around the defence trying to tempt them to come out.
But, so long as Slot keeps getting it right and the results are coming, I am fine with it. It is just that, at some point, opponents will figure out that changes are coming at half-time and will play one way in the first and a different way in the second to counter it.
As for being conservative, all very well but we are constantly caught on the break because the only midfielder that actually ever anticipates danger and tries to cut it out is playing too far forward to affect a break. Mac Allister was asleep again on their goal and Gravenberch got dragged too far forward, again. Neither of them are defensive enough to play a conservative style. We are going to continue to concede soft goals while Mac Allister is in there. Gravenberch at least has the quick reactions and pace to make up for his lack of anticipation, Mac Allister just ends up behind the play. He doesn't offer anything on the ball either from deep, he hasn't the passing range.}
1.) 15 Jan 2025 08:53:36
VVD left his man, there obviously should be pressure on the passer but still that was really bad from VVD. Unfortunately we are not getting results atm, dropping too many points. The saving grace is the league could be won with a low total.
2.) 15 Jan 2025 08:51:06
I agree, Ed01 regarding Macca. I love him to bits and his ability even on the ball is outstanding. However, said ability on the ball seems to work further forward as he has an eye for a killer pass in the final third as well as a goal threat. He is not defensively sound and that makes sense cos at Brighton, he played further forward with Caicedo playing along side and further behind. That's why Endo and Macca worked last season as a tandem cos Endo knows the DM position like clock work which freed up Macca to do damage in the final third.
As for the game, it was what it was. We did our best but a point is a good result away to a team who had won 6 in a row w/ o conceding a goal in addition to never wanting the ball. We do need to start games a bit better even tho, we started well last night but got caught sleeping for their goal.
Lastly, Tsimikas should start games moving forward cos not only is he defensively sound and playing well (unlike Robbo who continues to struggle overall), he seems to be the only one who can deliver a set piece with precision (how he found Jota in that melee, I will never know) cos it seems not a soul in the team can deliver a set piece that can beat the first man. Terrible delivery overall.
{Ed001's Note - he joined Brighton as a number 10.}
3.) 15 Jan 2025 09:02:30
Mark, we’re on 47 points after 20 games. Repeat that in the second half of the season and we end up on 89. No one else is getting near that. Arsenal’s best player since a prime Sanchez is possibly injured until April, and their next biggest goal threat has just done his ACL - they simply haven’t got the goals in them to get much more than 80 points this season. If anyone other than Liverpool wins the league (only Arsenal present a threat for now given that games are running out for City to come back), it will have been a monumental collapse by the club.
4.) 15 Jan 2025 09:22:52
Did Endo and Macca work that much better last season?
I'm sure we lost more games and finished 3rd and got dumped out of Europa.
We can't compare how we will finish this season because its only half way through but i wouldn't say we are worse off because of Mac.
{Ed001's Note - you are missing the point, it would be Endo and Gravenberch, Mac Allister is the one that needs to be replaced. The one that is changed is not Mac Allister, so your comparison was false.}
5.) 15 Jan 2025 09:22:59
Agreed, only Arsenal can catch us. We must start winning again soon. Slot needs to set the team up better from the start.
6.) 15 Jan 2025 09:51:15
It was the wrong way to approach the game. We was all just waiting for the substitutes.
7.) 15 Jan 2025 09:55:24
It was Oli's point about Endo and Macca working better together last season. JK questioned it.
{Ed001's Note - ok, sorry.}
8.) 15 Jan 2025 10:23:24
I love how we can talk about a 'conservative' approach whilst talking about a match in which we pretty much went 1 at the back.
{Ed001's Note - in the second half. But the start was not like that and that is the point.}
9.) 15 Jan 2025 10:32:03
I agree lowe, arsenals max haul is 94. 89 points is 1 loss and 1 draw from their remaining games, I personally think they'll drop more then that. Our max is 101, we have a huge buffer but need to get a few more consecutive wins on the board and really pile the pressure on.
10.) 15 Jan 2025 10:37:48
Ed, it is a bit frustrating that we start with a default of baiting the press stroking the ball around at the back even when slot should know that the other team isn’t interested and don’t play that way in the first place. You’re entirely right that he probably shouldn’t wait till the halfway mark to deduce the obvious, I think lucho really shouldn’t have played up front yesterday but maybe jota can’t play 90 minutes after having played against Accrington Stanley? Gravenberch dropping into center half out of possession showed what kind of skill set we potentially need from a left sided center half in possession, is Konate (who otherwise in form I think rivals saliba for second best center back in the league) perhaps not the best fit against low block teams maybe?
{Ed001's Note - Konate is decent as a ball player, but for a centre half, Gravenberch is a midfielder, so accordingly a step above. I am not sure that is a reason to think Konate needs to be replaced. I would be more worried about the way the defence are left utterly exposed so often by counters because both 'defensive' midfielders are 20 yards too far up the pitch. They both run forward at the same time, even though Trent is also gone forward and they are meant to cover that space too. They need to be more aware of each other and only one go at a time.}
11.) 15 Jan 2025 11:06:35
Oh I didn’t mean to say that he should ever be replaced Ed, he has been our best player this year aside from mo and gravenberch, just that klopp used to employ ibou for games when he needed a decisive proactive aggressive defender and quansah for games when teams let us have the ball. Now obviously quansah has taken a few steps backwards this year and hasn’t even looked good on the ball, which was supposed to be his primary quality. I’m thinking whether the next center half we buy has to be somebody who can step into midfield like grav but who can also drop back into a back three when needed and defend the left wide spaces. Ibou is almost peerless in the latter aspect but not the former. Again a very specific skill set in an increasingly complex football landscape.
{Ed001's Note - possibly.}
12.) 15 Jan 2025 11:20:39
While frustrated with the result and the goal we conceded, I thought we competed well last night in what was Forest's biggest game of the season. The were totally knackered by the end of the game. The intensity was literally like playing a derby at Goodison. The fight is there and we need to see more of it against the equally physical Brentford on Saturday.
I agree that Slot is unlikely to change his approach. While yes he may be conservative in first halves, he has shown he is willing to be pretty bold to change the game in his favour. That is twice now he has moved Gravy to CB and added another attacker. Each time it has swung the control and momentum in our favour. That kind of bravery bodes well for us.
13.) 15 Jan 2025 12:06:06
"I'm sure we lost more games and finished 3rd and got dumped out of Europa. "
JK23 as Ed's said, false comparison. Your stats (if I can even call them that) have nothing to do with individual games won or lost cos no two players ever won or lost a game on their own. This ain't the doubles in lawn or table tennis. You do know that both can play well in games and we can still lose or do I have to spell that out for you?
It is about how well they performed overall as a tandem and in majority of the games they actually played, they played well. Your stats mean nothing in such a context.
25 Nov 2024 10:10:55
To folks who have been complaining about our performances-
I think we may not have 'played well' by standards set by klopp, where we completely crush and smother the opposition and spend the entire game in their half or beat them into submission on the counter, but we also don't look like we've lost our heads in any game we've played or that we're banging on a wall desperately running out of ideas, in every game we look like we can turn up the levels/ press with more aggression ans in packs when we need to.
we also don't look like we might concede every time we lose the ball although we're still somewhat prone to getting done on the transition despite slot's very distinct adjustments to limit damage in that direction and we still have some noticeable deficiencies pressing between the front line and the midfield.
So what does it mean to play well? Of all the prem sides this year spurs and Chelsea probably have 'played well' the most often, spurs looking the closest to the style that we are used to on occasion, but spurs didn't look like they had a clue against Newcastle and then got outfoxed against Ipswich among others.
Remember that this isn't the final form of Slot's Liverpool, he's exercising caution as he's learning the ropes and balancing getting the best out of the players he has and the way they're accustomed to playing under Juergen while slowly introducing his own ideas, I think it's clear that the foremost priority with Slot is not conceding cheap goals by giving away the ball and being caught upfield, as a consequence Trent is playing more conservatively and isn't being tasked with hitting so many risky passes. Jurgen's style of play was premised upon taking lots of risks and taking loads of shots, betting on sheer volume of attacking plays and winning second balls high up the pitch when they didn't come off (and when they did we looked a lot more spectacular and highlight reel worthy) . Slot understandably prioritises risk management at the moment being new to the job, the squad and the league, is it fair to expect any different? And yet in the space of less than a third of the season we can see a very discernible way of playing and the players have very defined roles that make the most of their skillset. We lead the league in expected goals, are second in goals scored and have the stingiest defence in the league to boot, of course we have areas in which we can massively improve but we aren't top of the league by fluke, we unquestionably deserve to be there.
Maybe the way we're approaching games now makes us look a lot less Hollywood and dominant but keep things in context- we're a work in progress that happens to be top of the league and current favourites to win the league, and part of that has to do with the fact that our rivals are falling away from the chase at the moment. Making quick judgments on 'slot's style of play' and how it differs from Juergen seems a bit erroneous and premature to me because it's not like we could make a call on jurgen's style of play 20 games into his Liverpool career- his style of play came into full fruition when mo, Bobby, sadio, virg, Ali, hendo, Trent and robbo were there to truly execute it. A year or two from now we will see what the mature form of 'slot's style' really is for better or worse, and who's to say it won't be dominant in an analogous but diffeeent sort of way from klopp's?
Finally, did anyone really expect us to win the title or even to be neck and neck with city and arsenal this year? Of course now it's in our hands we're going to go for it but chastising the coach and the players for not blowing teams away and for showing chinks in the armour is just utterly befuddling to me, it just redolent of a true lack of perspective.
1.) 25 Nov 2024 10:24:18
Patrick this place is crickets when we win usually but batrubbish when we lose/ draw/ don't batter "lesser" teams. People like to complain. Is what it is.
2.) 25 Nov 2024 10:37:16
We won the weekend for the 3rd week in a row. Not arsed how we got there, personally. We are still a work in progress as I've always said and we are no where near being the finished article yet at this point. It is what it is.
3.) 25 Nov 2024 10:44:39
People comparing us to peak-Klopp are probably the same people who complained for the first year and a half that Klopp’s team wasn’t set up properly and we just run around like headless chickens.
11 Jun 2024 14:27:51
So I was watching some of Darwin's performances from his first season at benfica, and bizarrely he was exhibiting a lot of the weaknesses that make him a frustrating player for us- getting caught offside all the time, lacking composure when presented with easy chances, choosing to shoot when the pass is on but more often choosing to pass when the shot is on, running into a cul-de-sac sometimes, getting frustrated with himself and snatching at chances etc, but he also got team mates involved a lot and racked up the assists even when not scoring because of bad decisions. he was also played on the left wing instead of through the center at times and actually looked more effective having space in behind to take full backs on one v one and the. Cutting inside or delivering cutbacks
As we all know Darwin got flak from benfica fans for missing a lot, went off social media, worked on his game in the off season and turned in a blinder his last season at benfica, topping the scoring charts, lighting up the champions league, becoming the hottest non-haaland property on the market that year and then moving to us, all while continuing to develop his all around game and rectifying a lot of the faults that he showed in the season before
Oddly enough the exact same thing has happened again, maybe this sort of ebb and flow is going to take place once more? Very enigmatic and emotional player, but he's shown that when he has confidence and space to attack in front of him he can be a monster.
1.) 11 Jun 2024 17:50:57
Darwin really found his feet during the season but the final international break seemed to throw him along with a whole load of players out of form.
I think he will benefit from the new era under new coaches, without the pressure cooker environment that was created by Klopp's imminent departure.
Call me hopeful.
2.) 11 Jun 2024 18:35:16
This season coming is Darwin’s third season with us tho. He should have been doing what you said last Summer.
3.) 11 Jun 2024 21:05:42
I doubt Nunez will ever not frustrate, but as long as his numbers are good, he will always be worthy of a place in the current team.
As for his end of season dip, it happened to many, but it also coincided with us playing slow deliberate keep ball around the halfway line. Rather than looking to utilise his strengths behind the backline. We saw many times with the lethal Haaland, if you don't provide the ammunition, it's difficult to score.
4.) 12 Jun 2024 00:32:12
OP, Isn’t what you are saying basically that he hasn’t changed / improved ?
I think he has one more season to show consistency in his game awareness and scoring ability. If he doesn’t do it next season I doubt he ever will (at least for us) . we signed him for @ € 75m which is a hefty sum of money for an inconsistent return.
5.) 12 Jun 2024 06:51:17
Actually what I mean WDW is that he did improve, but then fell back into old patterns again, but the way in which he reacted to being made the target of ridicule and derision before shows that he has the ability to react. I think the issues with him are both mental and tactical, he is a player who needs confidence and needs space to attack, he’s not the kind of player to pirouette past players near the corner flag in a packed box and play one-twos in tight spaces, he needs space to run directly at defenders and the game around him has to be fast and direct rather than slow, methodical and ponderous
I think with slot keeping his wingers out wide rather than cutting into the box and the number 10 and two 8s pushing high up to feed Darwin we could see an interesting turn of events for him, though I think at the same time slot’s football is considerably less direct and more calculated than vintage klopp, so we’ll see what happens.
6.) 12 Jun 2024 09:06:21
Sirshanks, City keep the ball better than anyone and Haaland still scores more than anyone. A big difference, as well as City taking their chances, is that it's ok to do that when you're winning and not chasing games. When we are conceding so many goals keeping the ball isn't what is needed.
A lack of control at the back, in midfield and up front meant that we were often on the back foot.
7.) 12 Jun 2024 09:18:31
Make or break season for Darwin I feel.
Hopefully the new coaches can work on his confidence and composure.
He’s good enough, he needs to believe in himself and focus.
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17 Jan 2025 13:27:18
My question is why eintracht were willing to sell marmoush when they need to consolidate a place in the CL after starting the season so well? Surely buyers would still be lining up for him at the end of the season, the fee they are asking is also far from extortionate for a team’s best player leaving in the middle of a season where the team needs him. Not that it concerns us either way but it seems pretty short sighted to me.
17 Jan 2025 11:05:46
Shipley, have you actually seen him play? He was probably Napoli’s best player in his first year in European football (winning the scudetto too) coming from nowhere, and has been playing the same level despite Napoli going through a major self inflicted crisis since then. He’s only 23 and still can be coached to add even more aspects to his game but he is already probably the most unplayable wide player in the world, you just give him the ball and he drives you up the field. It’s okay to convince yourself that he’s maybe not what we need, but don’t make stuff up about how he’s overrated and nothing special. He is a very special player, Napoli fans wouldn’t baptise just anybody the next coming of Diego armando.
17 Jan 2025 10:57:17
Kvaradona for the price and the wages that he’s asking to go to psg is a bargain, especially if he’s a player we’ve always wanted to bring in but couldn’t because he simply wasn’t available. I understand that nobody ‘official’ said that we were definitely interested in bringing him in, but ornstein writing an entire piece about how we would be interested if he came on the market shortly before conte came out and confirmed he was leaving was as good as an official source, clearly the club briefed him and said he could put his cred on the line reporting that. So why we didn’t move to compete for his signature is kind of a mystery to me, why did ornstein, Joyce and lynch have to come out to say the same thing if we weren’t going to do anything?
I hate all the whiney groany posts on this page lately and don’t want to add to them, it’s like people are itching to vent their negativity all over this site at any given opportunity, but I think this short lived saga was pretty befuddling to say the least.
15 Jan 2025 11:13:29
And before viktor comes in, yes ederson is a great option but Atalanta are trying to win the league and won’t let him go in January. Baleba is a great shout but how much would he cost halfway through the season and would Brighton sell with no immediate need for money?
15 Jan 2025 10:58:03
I think it’s silly to speculate that having a new left back and a center half would instantly equate to us winning games we lost or drew, who’s to say they would have slotted in seamlessly and done better than quansah, robbo or kostas? Slot also needs a very specific kind of fullback, and with trent’s uncertainty on the other side, we have to think about whether we want a more traditional fullback on the left in the long run or somebody who can do a Trent like job on the left if Bradley becomes first choice. Maybe the club already have a specific player in mind and he isn’t available yet, maybe they’re waiting for Trent’s future to be resolved before acting. Either way it doesn’t seem like a problem that can be solved before that happens, and while kerkez and Robinson look good they are very traditional wide fullbacks who could replace robbo in the short term but might not fit in the long term tactical plan.
I would agree that the most immediate need we have that could definitely put us in a better position would be to buy a super athletic deep lying midfielder who can tackle, is press resistant and can progress the ball carrying or passing to rotate with or play alongside grav, but I have no idea who that might be that we can buy with such a specific skillset who is available and that we don’t have to pay way above the odds for. In reality I don’t think zubimendi is the right choice to play alongside gravenberch, he’s a tempo setting orchestrator who commands the tempo while we need somebody who can intuitively read the play and intercept or cover spaces in a flash.
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17 Jan 2025 16:30:05
He isn’t good with the ball at his feet, stuie, this is a known fact. He is an amazing shot stopper but get him to play as the 11th man in the build up or to bait the press and he will not be good.
17 Jan 2025 14:36:06
Except that keeper doesn’t fit the way slot plays in the least, Nevada, sure it’s a fair price for a very good keeper but a good keeper who doesn’t fit what we need. I’m sure he would be amazing for a forest but not us.
I wasn’t around in the 80s so I dunno what it’s like to support a team that won everything, I became a fan during the spice boys era and fowler and macca were everything to me. I watched as we failed to live up to expectations year after year and two title challenges under Rafa and Rodgers collapse in the latter stages, and then of course hodgson, I suppose the trauma of all of this compounded tragedy has given shape to the paranoiac psychic structure of the average Liverpool fan haha.
17 Jan 2025 12:41:05
Got it Ed, thanks for that and everything else, let’s hope we have something to cheer about on the squad front at the end of January.
{Ed001's Note - hopefully mate! Either way, Slot is giving us plenty to be happy about.}
17 Jan 2025 12:13:04
Ed, I’m not deeply affected by anything being said on here, it’s just that I very much enjoy coming here and posting every day, but it’s been much less enjoyable lately and that is dismaying on some level (obviously I have a lot more to attend to besides worrying about lfc even if they’re always at the back of my mind lol) . I think we have a lot of intelligent passionate folks on here and I gain a lot from reading what everyone thinks about football, so it’s a bit saddening to me when the tone is so monotonously despondent given how terrible the state of the world is otherwise (maybe it’s not fair to expect this page to be different? )
Also I do think that people who are otherwise not in a good place in their lives mentally or emotionally could react poorly to the atmosphere here sometimes, maybe that’s just me overthinking it and amplifying my own feelings tenfold. Overall I do think this a good place with good natured banter and folks, lately it’s been a downer, that’s all.
{Ed001's Note - I wasn't having a dig mate, I was just trying to say not to let it get to you, but very clumsily as I was distracted. Apologies.}
17 Jan 2025 11:41:25
Jk, as you well know the charges are for transgressions in the past, I’m sure they will have tried to make everything appear above board since then and spend within their means in the present, they did sell Alvarez and haven’t replaced him since. The question is whether they can entice players to come despite facing potential relegation, which doesn’t seem to be a problem at the moment. Whatever the case is at this exact moment in time we are in a better place than them, it might not last but there’s no point losing sleep over the future until it’s arrived. The paranoia on here about what might happen is really getting me down.
I’m going to be honest being on this page is pretty depressing lately, it could be any club buying anybody and somebody is going to pile on saying ‘yeah! Hughes is a waste of oxygen! ’…or you have the inevitable four or five posts a day talking about contracts and how incomprehensible the situation is…we get it, the club need a lift right now and the mood isn’t great as we face the anxiety of defending a lead at the top, but would it hurt for people to stop saying the same thing every single day? The hughes jokes aren’t even funny anymore, they’re just tiresome. Okay he hasn’t done anything so far but for the sake of variety and general morale on this page let’s ease up on the monotony of the complaints. It is worth remembering that a ome of us have enough drudgery and heartache in our every day lives to deal with without having to be mired in it every second talking about the football club that we love.
{Ed001's Note - I would worry about the fact you are even bothered about what is said that much that it affects you personally. I won't even remember what is said 20 seconds after I have read it, let alone have my life affected by it.}