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28 Dec 2020 11:59:20
Ed’s you mentioned we were interested in ísak bergmann jóhannesson, could this be something we would look to complete in jan? I know you mentioned he could be home grown.
Also didn’t know that his dad was Gudjohnson!
{Ed002's Note - Potentially. Yes, the sun of Joey - hence the Burnley interest.}
1.) 28 Dec 2020 14:09:22
Makes sense thanks ed, he looks a decent prospect and as you’ve said could be HG which is something we need to address!
2.) 29 Dec 2020 07:13:03
What position does he play?
{Ed002's Note - Isak Bergmann Johannesson is versatile and can play CM/AM/W). He would likely not to be so versatile if he were to move to England. Iam aware he has been watched by Odense and Burnley on several occasions. Manchester United, Oostende, Liverpool and Brann have had scouts at games recently. The Burnley link will be because of his father.}
23 Dec 2020 19:09:05
Looks like we are signing a 16 year old from Celta Vigo, I thought after last summer we couldn’t sign anyone under 18 from abroad?
{Ed002's Note - Any deal needs to be completed this month.}
1.) 23 Dec 2020 22:14:14
thanks ed, are you expecting to see a flurry of last minute deals for youth players from abroad?
i know the likes of chelsea, city and united stockpiled foreign youth this summer.
2.) 24 Dec 2020 08:08:13
Any interest in Balogun Eds? Few reports saying we may be interested and seems he could be an option to replace Origi and Shaq.
{Ed002's Note - Try searching.}
22 Dec 2020 11:29:12
Any truth in the rumours of Michael Olise? Seems like a decent young player!
17 Oct 2020 08:01:10
So the transfer window shuts completely now, feel sorry for the likes of Phillips and Millar, they have no chance at Liverpool so why are we not letting them go to build a career elsewhere? Now they will spend their time in the U23’s till January what a waste.
{Ed002's Note - They were unfortunately priced out of moves. Liverpool were desparate to sell players to raise funds but found, like other clubs, the money is not out there - and it won't be out there nexy summer either.}
1.) 17 Oct 2020 10:34:13
Obviously we are looking to cash in on players to help offset out incomings, but would we not potentially see young players sold for a cheap total but a higher sell on clause?
{Ed002's Note - Sell on clauses are still reasonably rare in England. Buyers really don't have the money - clubs like LIverpool and Arsenal have purchased players by gambling future income. At the lower-level they cannot even do that and the loan system works well for them. You won't see a return to the norm anytime soon I am afraid.}
2.) 17 Oct 2020 11:39:13
A little bit of something is better than a lot of nothing!
Shame they both seem to be model professionals, and just kept their head down.
3.) 17 Oct 2020 11:50:34
So we foresee a time of tapering down of salaries and player transfer prices, Ed002? Just the EPL or throughout the continent?
{Ed002's Note - Across Europe some high-profile clubs are asking players to take reduced salaries until the finances return to more of a norm - but I suspect that will be at least two or three years away as things stand right now. Again, across Europe, lower-tier teams will need the support of higher-tier teams and the players to survive. In England League One and League Two have agreed to have squad salary caps which is similar to how other leagues in Europe operate. Transfer fees will remain very high for the elite and up and coming players and clubs are already discussing how they will be able to complete their transfers for next summer. Real Madrid, for example, have four or five firm targets for next summer which will be expensive - so they will need to continue what they have done this year and sell or exchange players. Loans will continue at a higher level than they have done so before. Rules will also change to encourage clubs to make better use of their academy systems.}
4.) 17 Oct 2020 14:56:06
We need Phillips now.
08 Oct 2020 11:09:54
Just seen Wilson was omitted from the champions league squad but elliot was included.
Seems an odd move from them after not letting him leave, also how come elliot has been registered with the A squad given he is under 21?
{Ed002's Note - Because Liverpool cannot enter a full A squad.}
1.) 08 Oct 2020 17:01:00
As far as I know, an U21 can only be in the B squad for Europe if he's been at the club for 2 years or more, hence why we had to register Elliot in the A squad who we bought last year, but not Williams or Jones who've been here since they were kids.
I'm surprised we had room to register Elliot though.
With no Wilson, our senior club trained players in the A list are just Kelleher and Alexander-Arnold. Doesn't that mean we have to leave 2 slots empty and only name a 23 man squad? But we seem to have named 24. Or am I missing something?
2.) 08 Oct 2020 17:04:07
I really hope Watford or Bournemouth make an offer for Wilson. We need to still recoup a big portion of the money we spent this transfer window otherwise we will end up having to do too much in the next two windows in terms of selling fringe players.
Alos, its time Wilson found a home and move on with his career.
{Ed025's Note - whats up IB dont you like watford or bournemouth?, you must really hate them to want to saddle one of them fine clubs with wilson mate, his skill set comes right out of the carlton palmer how to play better football maual.. :)
3.) 08 Oct 2020 18:37:13
Thanks Ed, I knew there was a reason but wasn’t sure what it was.
Still a few weeks of the window open for the lower leagues. Although as Wilson I’d feel like I’d prefer to of gone elsewhere or maybe stay and fight.
{Ed002's Note - Klopp wants him gone completely.}
4.) 09 Oct 2020 09:38:48
fair enough ed, I always have a soft spot for players coming through the ranks so want them to succeed!
was the burnley interest concrete and is there any interest in him now.
{Ed002's Note - Burnley were keen but did not want to pay the asking price. I suspect a loan to the Championship is on the cards.}
5.) 09 Oct 2020 13:00:06
Ed02, I read the asking price was £15m if that’s true I don’t think we priced him out of a move. Not sure how accurate that is but is that right or were we asking for more? I think £15m for wilson who’s proven himself in both the championship and premiership is a bad price.
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool asked Burnley for £20M and they offered £12M.}
6.) 09 Oct 2020 20:59:35
Settle for £12 mill in the circumstances.
7.) 10 Oct 2020 07:26:00
@steviep I agree it would have been best for both club and player if he left but settle for £12M nope. He's worth more than that and if we took all those offers we wouldn't be where we are. We wouldn't have gotten the money we got for the likes of Ibe, Solanke and Brewster if we accepted the likes of £12M for Wilson. Clubs would never again pay near what we actually want if we accepted those low ball bids.
{Ed025's Note - but sean you cant charge top dollar for mediocrity mate, hes just not very good except for dead ball situations, you have already ripped teams off with the likes of jordan ibe etc and teams are getting wise, liverpool are like JML who produce things that people buy but never really use, take the £12m and run for the hills..
8.) 10 Oct 2020 08:10:13
@Ed025 you have been very clear how poor you think Harry Wilson is. That's fair enough. I don't think he is good enough for Liverpool but I do think he is good enough for the Premier League and could add some quality to a bottom half club. Dead balls are superb, good passing range, gets in to the box and scores goals and has proven this in the championship and the premier league. I believe that merits a value a lot higher than £12M. We can agree to disagree on this. (And I do see his flaws like especially him going missing for ages during games but his positives are still there and are worth money) .
Ibe looked exciting, made an impact from the bench mostly and he did look a good prospect. I thought £16M was too good to turn down but I was sad to see him go as he had looked good for us. Hindsight obviously £16M looks hilarious but it wasn't totally outrageous.
Brewster, there's enough promise shown to again say it looks too good to turn down but Sheff Utd haven't agreed an outrageous deal.
Solanke. he has just starting scoring goals but wow I could not believe that offer. I really thought he looked miles off being ready for premier league and £20M or whatever it was, that was outrageous.
{Ed025's Note - i think your pretty fair there sean, except i think you may have over egged harry a bit, the money you have obtained for your lesser lights is impressive i have to say, but in these times of austerity when clubs are having to tighten their belts the money you are asking for wilson is a bit off the scale imo mate..
9.) 10 Oct 2020 08:52:03
We need the likes of Brewster to do well for our selling reputation. There aren't many have left and done as well as Ings. I know Coady has been mentioned in another post but that's years and years on. Ings has done the business straight away and everyone will agree Southampton have gotten a good deal there. Unfortunately a lot of our bigger sales the clubs would probably love a refund!
We can agree to disagree on Wilson's value and even though I think he's worth closer to £20M I do agree with you under the circumstances the price should have been reduced. I wouldn't have accepted below £15M though on the basis of my previous point of not wanting to be seen to accept what I feel would be a low ball bid. All about opinions anyway 👍.
10.) 12 Oct 2020 08:32:37
Putting a value on a players worth is only made clear by how important an interested club rates him to improve the team. His fee if compared to the likes of benrahma, eze, Dan James, Jarrod Bowen for example of players who performed well for a championship season and earned a fee no less than what Harry Wilson should be priced at, he had 2 good championship spells and a season of PL experience. Still young, HG and would have clubs interested so if we ask for 20mil or around that ball park I don't see that as ludicrous. Burnley were strong and held their ground by rejecting tarkowski offers over 30mil so I'm sure they accept that if they could only offer 60% of the asking price we set for Wilson then that's far too low for us just to accept. That extra 8mil we think we can get for him at some point pays for the transfer of minamino.
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18 Jan 2021 17:11:39
What are peoples thoughts of moving Gini into the number 6 role and having Thiago further forward?
1.) 18 Jan 2021 17:20:37
Gini wants out so maybe time to start phasing him
Out! Not that I’d want that I love gini but I think that’s what could happen!
2.) 18 Jan 2021 23:23:29
If we’ve got him till the summer seems a waste to phase him out especially given our midfielders are having to play defence.
{Ed0666's Note - we need to move Thiago further up the pitch so he can dictate play more. That will only happen when Fab plays his natural role.
29 Dec 2020 21:50:20
Not one for hindsight but it’s a shame that Hoever didn’t stay with us could of been a better option at the back with all these injuries.
1.) 30 Dec 2020 08:57:10
So far 2 sub appearences and made his first start against manure yesterday!
28 Dec 2020 17:00:39
Tomori is pushing for a permanent exit in Jan after being pushed down the pecking order, would tick quite a few boxes.
i will give Edwards a call.
1.) 28 Dec 2020 23:17:14
A good defender not being one then?
27 Dec 2020 21:56:53
Ed’s I’d like your take on the current situation and what the plan should be for the rest of the season, we are currently looking to have Matip being injured regularly on top of our 2 starting CB’s for the rest of the season
Fundamentally we are top of the league after a number of serious injuries throughout the back half of 2020. However we have a long way to go and after another injury to matip it’s not looking good.
Whilst I have such hope that Rhys can make it for us, he is limited on pace and Is a bit too front footed currently. Phillips does a job simple and effective doesn’t have the passing capabilities.
With all this talk of having to buy in jan, is there any real possibility of getting a quality centre back in this window? Ideally I’d like to wait until the summer when a lot more options might be available.
{Ed001's Note - it is highly unlikely we can get a top class centre-back in January, but we can't rely on just Phillips and Fabinho, and Williams is nowhere near good enough. We might have to look to a stop gap type of signing, such as Chelsea did with Silva. An older player who can step in but will only be for a season or two at most. Matip is just too unreliable and Koumetio doesn't look like the answer either, so we have little choice.}
1.) 27 Dec 2020 22:40:24
by no means do I disagree of the need for a cb but am I out of my mind to think Hendo is the better choice as a stop gap cb then rhys and Nat? I know you lose his tenacity in the mid but when Thiago and milly are back why not?
2.) 27 Dec 2020 23:17:37
Does seem klopp favours Williams to Phillips.
3.) 27 Dec 2020 22:16:25
Anyone spring to mind Ed? Garay been looked at?
{Ed001's Note - no one does.}
4.) 28 Dec 2020 00:37:37
we can't have two of our best midfielders playing as our cbs it is ludicrous. desperation means we shall have to try and sort something creative out. as in transfer not two players out of position.
5.) 28 Dec 2020 10:05:01
Why do you think Klopp is using Williams over Phillips?
6.) 28 Dec 2020 10:14:39
Morning Ed001,
You say Koumetio doesn’t look like the answer, is that just from being young and inexperienced, or from not being thought of as highly as he once appeared to be?
Many thanks.
{Ed001's Note - just from what I have seen of him, he is not that defensively aware either.}
7.) 28 Dec 2020 13:15:26
Tristan, if Williams is nog good enuff then, Koumetio is nowhere near it. I am not his biggest fan cos he is too young and inexperienced for me to even have z’n opinion on him. Nat Phillips is the one I would go with over both players cos tho he is short of pace, he is more experienced than both players combined having won the Bundesliga 2 with Stuttgart and was a key man for them. Just my opinion.
27 Dec 2020 18:51:04
Grim result and one that helps support the anti football that is fat Sam, I despise him as a manger so much.
2 points lost against a team we should be taking the full points off, Fulham Brighton and now West Brom is not good showing for title contenders.
1.) 27 Dec 2020 19:24:47
A crap day especially after an 8 day rest. No excuses for that performance.
2.) 27 Dec 2020 19:44:27
Opportunity missed which is really disappointing. However we're still top, teams below us are ecstatic with how things are going yet we're top an still feel slightly down cos we can do better.
Says a lot for the standards we have set the past few seasons. Crap day, put it behind us an give Newcastle a pasting to cheer us back up.
3.) 27 Dec 2020 20:53:31
We were dreadful today. Deserved to lose. Strolling around like lazy f’ers. That 7-0 wasn’t pulling any wool over my eyes, we win nothing this season IMO.
The fact we are top of the table is mind blowing.
4.) 27 Dec 2020 20:59:31
We gave Big Sam too much respect. We made him out to be our bogie man and alas the prophecy fulfilled itself. He’s been in the job 8 days. We should have just attacked them like we did Spurs.
Hopefully Curtis learns from that game. Shades of Lallana there with too many touches when the quicker
pass was on.
And I have to say, I’m seeing a worrying trend where Mane gets affected by the rubbishhousing at times.
Lastly, the referee was awful again. What’s new eh?
5.) 28 Dec 2020 04:21:56
Bloody hell it could've been worse, it happens, teams don't always win especially not in a league like this. People talk about West brom like they're nothing, they're in the premier league, any team can cause an upset in this league. We're still top and considering how things have been for us (with injuries) I think that we've done pretty damn well.
It could be worse, we could be in the other 19 teams positions but we're not, we're on top, where we belong and where we will remain. We move on to the next. It is what it is.
6.) 28 Dec 2020 13:25:17
Salah, I fully agree. Grim result and there is enuff blame to go round BUT regardless if all the private we have, we are too and done if our rivals are running out of breath already for the time being . I think Citt are the real rivals to us with Utd to a lesser extent. The others? Not bothered for now. In the dnd, it is all down to us and we have to improve and that starts with Klopp. His performance tactically and managerially was poor.
7.) 28 Dec 2020 13:37:16
iverpoolFC8
What an absolutely horrible take.
Some supporter you are.
8.) 28 Dec 2020 14:09:38
Games like that lost us the title in 2018/ 19. Hopefully it doesn't come back to haunt us again. They just can't get on a consistent run of wins.
9.) 28 Dec 2020 15:21:36
Top of the league despite not having our first choice CBs for most of the season.
Not a bad showing for title favourites, no?
The Southern Red's rumour replies
11 Jan 2021 18:00:58
He’s heading to Bayern I believe one of the Ed’s said.
10 Jan 2021 15:49:50
Have the issues got worse since being at Liverpool?
{Ed002's Note - Not at all as far as I know.}
06 Jan 2021 20:02:47
That’s a hefty wage!
06 Jan 2021 18:15:47
and just like that the glimmer of hope is extinguished thanks ed now my dog is crying.
28 Dec 2020 14:09:22
Makes sense thanks ed, he looks a decent prospect and as you’ve said could be HG which is something we need to address!
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21 Jan 2021 15:12:21
Based on the reported salary we’d have to play him every game!
Can’t see us doubling our highest current wage for him.
18 Jan 2021 23:23:29
If we’ve got him till the summer seems a waste to phase him out especially given our midfielders are having to play defence.
{Ed0666's Note - we need to move Thiago further up the pitch so he can dictate play more. That will only happen when Fab plays his natural role.
31 Dec 2020 10:53:23
How is minamino “not good enough” Christ he’s not mane or salah he’s a decent squad player.
31 Dec 2020 10:53:23
How is minamino “not good enough” Christ he’s not mane or salah he’s a decent squad player.
28 Dec 2020 11:44:30
but surely there must be some form of long term future seen by klopp and the coaching staff, as you say if they were both seen as stop gaps for the short term then we would use Phillips.
I am just concerned that there isn't any viable options in the jan transfer window that we can afford in this current situation.