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28 Jun 2020 12:33:15
Question for the Eds, seeing a lot of links to Traore which could be plausible, but obviously we have just backed out of signing Werner for around the same amount of money. One detail that astonished me was the amount of money that Werner is reportedly going to be earning at Chelsea, which is more than salah and van dijk and would have been inconceivable at LFC. Do you think that it was a purely transfer fee related issue, or was it more Werners demands both financially and in terms of game time that made the deal implausible?

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what Chelsea will be paying Werner I am afraid. Liverpool have financial issues as has been explained repeatedly - even Peter Moore issued a statement to the fans. Liverpool did not try and negotiate the transfer with RBL.}

1.) 28 Jun 2020 20:56:27
Hi Ed. was it the fact that they had to pay upfront to activate the buy out clause whereas if they did buy traore for 70m they may be able to pay circa 17m for 4 yrs. which is more affordable?

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you mean. Liverpool illegally tapped the player up and they did not speak to his club. In addition to what I have said, the Chief Executive has explained the money situation at Liverpool.}



04 Dec 2017 12:25:09
Eds, i remember on the sharkopod that you said Barcelona would look to get a deal done before the end of november as one of the key instigators of the deal would no longer be involved and this would lead to them viewing other targets. In this situation, is it possible we could see coutinho stay a bit longer in a de gea to real madrid scenario? Or would he definately try and force a move to another team like psg, madrid, maybe even juventus to replace dybala?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, we are now beyond the end of November and they will be considering their options. It is possible that Coutinho could move in January or the Summer but be clear he wants out. Coutinho is not of interest to Juventus and he is not first choice for Real Madrid. PSG might retain and interest but it is Barcelona who want him and that is where the player wants to go.}

1.) 04 Dec 2017 19:56:00
Up to Barcelona to make us an acceptable offer. The ball is in their court. 🤝.

2.) 05 Dec 2017 03:05:38
Barca will once again resort to underhand tactics to get Coutinho cheap. We trust Henry to duke it out with them.



10 Apr 2017 20:29:48
Just read that coutinho rejected the requests of the coaches to stay at home, so he could make the bench for the game on saturday, then to come off the bench and score. This is the exact attitude and type of player we need here at liverpool, hats off to him.

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1.) 10 Apr 2017 23:22:10
Couts has to stay, build our team around him, need another Mane .

2.) 11 Apr 2017 00:53:45
What would you do with another Mane if you've built your team around Coutinho?

3.) 11 Apr 2017 02:02:09
Coutinho was always needee to stay. He didn't need to do anything like that to justify it.

Hes our boy. Show him the love and he will give you the heart.

4.) 11 Apr 2017 03:24:35
build another mane and mane running around firmino!? and then someone can get their dream of firmino in central midfield realised.! :p.

5.) 11 Apr 2017 03:52:08
probably the best £8.5m the club has ever spent.

6.) 11 Apr 2017 06:07:23
Sure the best 8.5 we ever spent was on ings, that free transfer.

7.) 11 Apr 2017 08:25:26
support coutinho zimbo, as Mane has done.

8.) 11 Apr 2017 15:26:17
Don't worry I'd happily take another Mane! Just not sure if we'll get someone of his level to join with no obvious starting spot. Think hopefully Coutinho, Firmino and Mane will be our starting lineup and wouldn't want to see that changed myself.

9.) 11 Apr 2017 15:41:46
kudos couts, however if and when he is not in form let's remember this instead of wanting him out.

10.) 11 Apr 2017 21:18:01
The problem with football these days is that the Doctors think they pick the team. Hats off to Coutinho for his positive attitude and nonsense to all that red zone, orange zone, green zone crap.

11.) 12 Apr 2017 01:28:00
He must be mad. If someone offered me the day off id take 2.

12.) 12 Apr 2017 09:17:18
Haha that's good one mingo.



20 May 2016 17:56:44
From what i can work out the players we are interested in are:


I have never seen any of those players play but i guess any addition at goalkeeper and left back is welcome. Zielinski and silva seem slightly unneccasary unles we get rid of a lot of players. Hector is apparently more defensive minded which is exactly what we need. I was still hoping for perhaps a holding mid to push Can and Henderson more but maybe Grujic is that player. However i fail to see the point of chilwell as he is just another joe gomez surely? And personally i like joe gomez so i'd much rather see him or smith given a chance.

The outs that everybody can virtually agree on are:

And all the academy players who will be moving on.

If all that happens i'd consider it a very successful summer and cannot wait for next season with a squad of klopps own players.

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1.) 20 May 2016 18:09:47
Lallana will stay, Klopp said as much the other day. I can't see Milner moving on either on his wages and the sort of club he'd want to go to.

2.) 20 May 2016 18:54:38
Joe Gomez is a cb not a lb Rodgers just stuck him there like he did Flanagan. I really like Gomez he's got a lot of promise, good with the ball at his feet, is comfortable with a challenge and not bad in the air. just hope he comes back from injury well.

3.) 20 May 2016 18:54:50
Milner's leading our assists table. I'd keep him on the condition that he's usually played on the right of midfield rather than in the middle.

4.) 20 May 2016 19:07:00
AW, Migs not be moving, neither will Milner. Lallana, I think, may make way for Goetze, but not necessarily. I think illori will move on too.

5.) 20 May 2016 19:53:12
Aren't we also interested/ linked with another midfielder? Dhroud is it?

6.) 20 May 2016 19:58:53
Perhaps Goetze will replace Coutinho? Barcelona have been looking recently and something was said earlier in the year, about him wanting to move on if there is no champions league football at Liverpool.

It wouldn't surprise me if a decent offer came in for him at least. We're not in a position where we can reject the advances of clubs like Barcelona, we haven't got the finances and we don't have any European competition next season.

One thing is for sure, Coutinho will not sell cheap, so if he does leave we'll at least get a tidy sum for him.

7.) 20 May 2016 20:44:40
I don't think Goetze and Coutinho are related at all. I would aso be not so sure either of Hector or Silva are coming in. While Liverpool has scouted both players, we have not made any effort to move for them, and are concentrating on bringing in Zielinski, Chilwell, Karius and seemingly Goetze.

8.) 20 May 2016 21:36:46
Mignolet has a 5yr contract.
He will not be leaving unless some fool offers us more than his contract is worth.

9.) 20 May 2016 22:09:24
im sure whoever klopp buys will be the right player for the team, he knows what he needs to do after this season so i will put my faith in him to get it right instead of trying to second guess him, if he brings these players in then he needs them yes we have other players in the team already but he might not see a future for them because unlike us he sees them every day and knows there weaknesess, like lallana for instance he is a good player but there's hardley any end product from him and i don't think he is at the right standard for us maybe Zielinski will have a better end product because these 2 are very a like, also the players he is buying he is getting them cheap not like BR who over spent on players, its so refreshing that he is getting players this cheap for a change,

10.) 20 May 2016 23:47:07
Great insight despite having never seen any of them play.

11.) 21 May 2016 01:11:06
I don't agree Lallana and Milner should go. 2 of our most consistent performers under Klopp. Allen could do a job as a squad player. Moreno - has still (some) time to learn how to defend. Not sure he will though!

12.) 21 May 2016 07:00:34
AndyM, lalana should go if Gotze replace him. Milner can go if we get Zielinski.

13.) 21 May 2016 14:52:38
Andym that mean no one significant leaving and based on that no one coming in. Simple tranfer window.

14.) 22 May 2016 00:45:17
Skrtel, Benteke and Allen, if he moves, all significant 'Outs'. I don't see CM as a priority for strengthening. Matip and Grujic both significant 'Ins' already done. A GK and Lb needed (Lb whether Moreno stays or goes) . I hope for a lot from Ings next season.



21 Mar 2016 20:45:32
Everything points to skrtel being sold. Ilori and wisdom likely to follow in all honesty. He won't even play ilori ahead of lucas at centre back.

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1.) 21 Mar 2016 20:59:00
Managing with a iron fist. What the squad needs. Given a chance. Not good enough you're gone.




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08 Feb 2020 12:31:25
With all the Player of the Year talk, i’m going to float an idea that most people don’t seem to give a second thought to; the Salah of today is a far better and more effective all round player than the one who scored 44 goals in 2017/ 18.

Back then Salah was, like Thanos, an inevitability. Virtually every game it was a certainty he would score. Sometimes he would have a relatively quiet game and then pop up with a moment of magic that would change the whole complexion of the match.

I’d argue that Salah’s unbelievable goalscoring record was largely a result of the unique collective brilliance of the front 3 as a unit and the explosive counter attacking football that was being coached by Klopp. Back then, we were probably the finest counter attacking team since Real Madrid in 2011/ 12, and relied exclusively on the oppositions willingness to get at our defense, which they invariably always did as back then our defense had a pretty bad reputation.

After a year of obliterating teams on the counter and playing football at 100 miles an hour, Klopp knew he would have to tweak the tactics to make us more multi-dimensional and sustainable over the course of the season, otherwise we would be found out. Naturally, this affected Salah’s game enormously, and he has had to adapt his game to be able to play in a possession based side.

I would argue he has adapted better than the vast majority of players ever could. Firmino and Mane find it far easier to contribute with goals as they possess a bizarre natural ability to score headers from the crosses of the fullbacks, which Salah does not. Despite this, he still continues to top the scoring charts over the course of the season, despite playing through bad injuries for long periods and suffering clear knocks in confidence when the fans get on his back about selfish play. He is still able to create massive amounts of chances for himself and teammates, and i would argue that this season he is having one of those inexplicably unlucky seasons in front of goal that cannot be explained, just as in the same way his first season could not be explained, and is very unfortunate not to score more.

What is most impressive is that despite not being able to counter attack and use his pace anywhere near as much as he used to due to the conservative play of our opponents, he has adapted his all round game to suit this new system. His hold up play with his back to goal is absolutely outstanding, it is a far cry from the speedy nippy winger we saw in his first season. The man has become an absolute beast and holds up the ball better than the vast majority of 6’4 target men. His footwork is now absolutely dazzling and his control in tight areas is now at a standard of some of the true greats in the game, sometimes he’ll be surrounded by 3 or 4 players in the attacking third and yet he’ll be able to shift his feet so rapidly it is almost impossible to dispossess him. If you look at the statistics, he has been by far the most creative player in the premier league over the last few seasons, but you wouldn’t believe it because the narrative is that he is ‘selfish’.

Salah doesn’t seem to be getting the credit he deserves this season because of people who do not watch full liverpool games are passing judgement on the Salah of today to the Salah of two years ago. The truth is that they simply do not understand the complexities of how our team operates now compared to then, and do not watch anywhere near enough of Salah to give him the credit he deserves. We should appreciate him while he’s here and get off his back whenever he makes a poor decision in the final third; the man is a world class player, just let him get on with it!

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1.) 08 Feb 2020 12:41:51
I’m starting to think this AW. You don’t know what you have till it’s gone kind of situation. Salah is the ever world class player in the team since the day he arrived. His numbers are ridiculous.

2.) 08 Feb 2020 12:46:58
Agree I constantly have friends that are fans of other clubs saying Salah is rubbish because he hasn't score as many goals. But his work rate and also his runs that create openings for the other players. The other thing is he's not out of the running for a 3rd goldenboot in a row. I still find it hard to look beyond big Virgil. But to be fair you could give it to Trent, Allison, Henderson, Mane and I don't think anyone would argue much.

3.) 08 Feb 2020 13:32:47
AW, That is the most cogent, competent post about Salah I have ever read. Not only is it both of these things, it is actually the truth. I watched an interview on RedMen TV where David Maddock addressed this very topic on Salah and you are spot on with his analysis. He said that Salah has become a true animal not just cos he is STILL scoring goals BUT cos his pressing ability under the new system we play, has been outstanding.

Maddock said people can go on about Salah not scoring enuff or the other rubbish about him being sold as a result of that BUT Klopp is not arsed about any of that nonsense. To Klopp, Salah is having the season of his LFC life right now and judging him on goals scored is a fool's errand cos well, Klopp does not judge Salah on that. Therefore for me, I now watch Salah differently now with this info in mind and based on what I have seen, Maddock is spot on. So to those who think Salah should be sold, I suggest you watch that interview and get informed.

4.) 08 Feb 2020 14:29:16
I don't know why people have a downer on him. Is it because of the agent touting him about and Liverpool fans worried about losing another big star to the Spanish league? He's scored tonnes of goals for Liverpool in his 3 seasons. And who can blame him for hitting every chance he gets?

The only down side is his decision making on rare occasions. There have been a few times when he should have passed. But only about 4 or 5 times this season and that's not too bad really.

5.) 08 Feb 2020 14:51:40
I actually find this season he's relying more so on breaking in behind as a source of his goals as opposed to a much more variation over last 2 seasons. Of his 14 league goals 3 were pens which leaves him with 11 from open play. From my memory most of them were 1v1 situations or 6 yard finishes from squared passes.

In previous years salah would score long range goals, curlers from tricky areas or individual solo efforts. I can't recall one of those type of strikes this season and his goals are resulting from getting in behind defences solely which is a great stat as he's getting goals from probable areas and not relying on goals out of nothing. I'm sure with growing confidence well see him bag a few like the types of worldies he's scored vs spurs, Everton, Chelsea, southampton, Roma, Watford, Bournemouth over last 2 seasons.

This season though he's racking up nearly all his goals from 1v1 areas behind line of defence and every goal inside the box.

6.) 08 Feb 2020 14:54:48
Robbie, I think the people who have a downer on him have been spoiled with the amount of goals he scored in his first season so they cannot see past that, as if that magical season can be sustained. Also with this in mind, they are unable to see that Salah based on his overall game, is three times the player he was when he had that season. Like I said, if you judge Salah on goals scored then you are fooling yourself and missing the big picture.

Klopp does not judge him on the bleeding obvious (goals/ assists) . Klopp judges him (according to Maddock) on his movement, his instinctive pressing, positioning, understanding of pressing angles in other words, ALL the things you cannot see if you are only searching for goals and assists. If you watch Salah with all these judgment points Klopp uses to judge him, you will see how great Salah has become under Klopp and if the OP could see that then, anyone can see these things IF they actually bothered to try.

7.) 08 Feb 2020 15:23:03
Some good insights being posted about salah here in fairness. I'd much rather have a salah get 20 goals in a season if it means mane might also get 20 and firmino notch 15 as opposed to having a player get 30 or 35 goals but harming our overall attacking threat. We used to purr at the numbers Suarez or Torres scored while ignoring our next threat below was a kuyt or a coutinho maybe getting only 10 goals.

Same when people have called for likes of Henderson or gini to be replaced by fernandes, maddison etc simply cos they score more goals.

8.) 08 Feb 2020 15:35:20
And salah gets double teamed, if not tripled. That first season he was another promising winger but by season 2 defenders and coaches knew he was a world class talent who would damage them if given space.

Har red's post was interesting and correct I think. I remember a lot of 10 yd goals and penalties but not the top corner curlers either. I love the guy. When he picks up the ball in the final third I get a little surge of energy, knowing he can do amazing things.

9.) 08 Feb 2020 20:53:01
Warning. This will be controversial!

Salahs first season.44 goals. very impressive number. however. I still had the overall impression he needed 3 chances to score one. much like Andy cole back in the day. I think the problem now is salah scoring 20 goals in a season when he needs 3 chances to score a goal. his finishing inefficiency is now a little more obvious. Honestly. out of the front three, he is definitely the only one we could upgrade on #mbappe2020 😁.

10.) 08 Feb 2020 21:44:54
Nice one, Torben BUT Klopp does not see things that way, I'm afraid. You can get your Mbappe (good luck with that, lol) in to replace Salah BUT if he cannot do all the other "invisible" things Klopp demands of his team, it ain't going to happen. Bobbie doesn't score enuff goals as a CF, so they say. Do you want to replace him too?

I did some research and found that Klopp is more concerned about a player's conduct when he does NOT have the ball than when he does. Hence in Salah's case, Klopp is not worried about the goals he misses cos in the end, Mo WILL score goal regardless.

Klopp is more concerned about Salah improving his overall individual and team play, pressing instincts, angles and overall improvement cos IMO if he can do that, he will be able to score more goals. Now if Salah wants to go then fine BUT we should not kick him out cos he did not score a few tap-in's. Just my opinion.

11.) 09 Feb 2020 08:53:44
Thanks. I am glad that you KNOW what Klopp wants. for info. I think bobby is irreplaceable right now. and mane is close to being irreplaceable. Mo offers a decent work rate and an unreliable end product. That is upgradeable!

12.) 09 Feb 2020 10:58:42
Torben, I know what Klopp wants cos I have watched interviews of those who have inside info provide that information. This information is available to anyone who bothers to want to know it, even you.



23 Jan 2020 11:56:59
Question for Ed001, i wasn’t around during the 1990’s as i was born in ‘98, and i think most would agree that apart from the emergence of some good academy talent it was one of our darkest periods as a club. Correct me if i’m right in saying we only won one or two domestic cups and most of our finishes were 3rd 4th and 5th? We had lots of overpaid numpties like Ruddock, Stewart and Collymore, ill discipline was rife, the owners didn’t really care, The Ev were beating us in derbies regularly, our bitterest rivals were winning everything and we had fallen a million miles from where we were a few short years ago. Almost identical to what is happening at United today!

My question is this; while the situation was just as bad if not worse than where United are now, was there still the same feelings of apocalyptic panic and rage that currently swirls around Man United, the same sense of entitlement, or were the fans just happy to watch their team play? I feel like social media and constant pundit coverage now whips the fans up into a frenzy in a way it once wouldn’t have if they’d just watched the game and gone home. Equally however, do the United fans have more right to be angry/ embarrassed given they have far more money than we ever did and should be up there with the top clubs in the world? Should they be worried and as panicky as they are at the way the club is being run, or are they just entitled and fail to accept it is part of a cycle?

And how do you think this will impact the size of United going forward? Again i wasn’t around in the 90’s so hopefully someone can clear this up; the impression i get is that while Liverpool were not winning anything the fanatic support for the club remained the same. I have honestly never met a casual Liverpool fan. It’s full throttle or nothing. Our fan culture is different to any other club in the world, i don’t know if any other team could have brought out 750,000 fans onto the streets for a victory parade or 50,000 fans with no tickets just to come over to Madrid for a laugh.

With United however, i feel the size and relevance of their club has been built on sand and is fast diminishing. They appear to have far more casual fans and those fans do not seem to take the same pride in their club as we do. Obviously i’m not talking about the Mancunian core fans here but the ones further afoot, there has been a lot of talk of ‘plastics’ among the United fans for a few years now. It feels as though people are far less willing to mouth off about Man United as they once were. I have absolutely no way to quantify this but it does feel that the further United sink the smaller their support base and relevance becomes, whereas ours is growing all the time. If the trajectories of the two clubs continue like this for a couple more years i can see no reason why it shouldn’t be said that Liverpool are the biggest club in the country.

Anonymous Woolback

{Ed001's Note - it has got more hysterical in reaction, social media and the media itself hype everything to ridiculous proportions. United have got enough money to fix all their problems, which makes it easier, but they also have to get the support onside or it is impossible. That's why Ole, if he had been a decent coach, was ideal, as the fans love him.

I don't think there is such a big difference in the fans, it is just that teams winning trophies pick up casual fans. Now we are winning, we will get our fair share of them, like United did over the years. It never happened in the past because casual fans didn't really exist, they had no real access to games. So only people that actually cared could see what the results were. Now everyone has easy access and fans tend to be a lot more fair weather and reactionary as a whole, no matter what team they support.}

1.) 23 Jan 2020 14:51:35
Ed01, that is a superbly concise summing up of the culture of social media, the media in general and the “casual fan”. I agree with you 100%.

2.) 23 Jan 2020 15:22:07
AW, don’t misunderstand Man Utd’s support.
There might be a lot of fans now that have known nothing but success but I remember when they were relegated in the 70s and they were still taking 10,000 plus to away games.
Their support, especially away, is huge and always will be I think.

{Ed001's Note - their home gates went up after relegation in 74.}



22 Oct 2019 14:27:19
Question for you Ed001. Been stuck in a bit of a youtube hole today, watching some highlights of the great players of the last 20 years or so, including ones you have previously mentioned that you loved Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Bergkamp etc

Are there any more non-Liverpool players who you felt were just a joy to watch and seem to get less and less of the recognition they deserve as time goes on?

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{Ed001's Note - Ozil before he joined Arsenal, Denilson (mostly for comedy value as he would do 700 stepovers and fall over his own feet a lot of the time), Joaquin as a youngster was very exciting before he lost his way. One of my favourite non-Liverpool players is Javier Zanetti, he was the Argentine Steve Nicol, could play anywhere like he was born to the role. Nedved I always loved to watch, he was the most two-footed player I have ever seen as he trained so hard on his weaker foot he made it into his strongest foot. He would go home from training with the club and then train in his gym at home because he wanted to be better. Loved Nedved. There are a bunch of players from the old Yugoslavia at one point that were brilliant to watch, but whose names completely escape me. Stoichkov was a hell of a strutting peacock but could play. Prosinecki was a Rolls-Royce of a player before the heavy smoking destroyed his ability to run. There are loads more I am sure but I just can't think of any off the top of my head.}

1.) 22 Oct 2019 16:07:41
Hope he doesn't do punditry like nicol though ed😂😂😂.

{Ed001's Note - I doubt anyone else could quite match Nicol in that department.}

2.) 22 Oct 2019 17:10:45
Nedved's a great shout, loved that guy;
Gianluigi Lentini before his car crash;
I know you said non-Liverpool but Jari Litmanen earlier in his career;
Manuel Rui Costa supplying Garbriel Batistuta was an amazing combination;
Thomas Brolin before he signed for Leeds and got fat;
My favourite non-Liverpool player ever is Edgar Davids in his prime. He was just unplayable.

3.) 22 Oct 2019 17:38:33
I remember Denilson in those Sevilla colors, Ed001. What a dribbler. But you're right. Dribbling for dribbling's sake and not much else. I'm sure you're thinking of Boban and Savicevic from the old Yugoslavia teams. In my opinion, a lot of the African players never got the acclaim they deserved. Players like George Weah, Jay Jay Okocha, Kanu and Abedi Pele never really got the recognition. Of course the internet came later and players like Drogba, Eto'o, the Toure brothers and Michael Essien benefitted from that. But I've never seen a forward tear up defenses single handedly the way George Weah did. Just like Ronaldo and Shevchenko (at his peak with Milan) .

{Ed001's Note - you are right about Boban and Savicevic. Do you really think Weah, Okocha, Kanu and Pele never got the recognition? A world footballer of the year, a player whose nephew can't so much as blink without a subtitle under mentioning it was Okocha's nephew blinking, Kanu who was a massive star (more than his laziness and dreadful attitude at times deserved) and a player known as Pele because of just how good he was. They got huge amounts of recognition. Weah and Abedi Ayew are the two best African players ever and I think they get massive (and well deserved) acclaim. Sam Allardyce is still living off having had Okocha in his team!}

4.) 22 Oct 2019 18:19:24
Spot on, Ed01 re: African players. George Weah is a god in Liberia and all of Africa and a role model not just for his prowess on the pitch BUT for all he represents off it. When he was Liberian capt. he used to fund their away trips, kits, administrative costs, the whole lot. They were so top heavy in the team like Joe Nagbe (his son Darlington plays in the U. S), Christopher Wreh (Weah's cousin and ex-Arsenal) etc so he would play at CB just to accommodate his team mates. They qualified for the AFCON twice under his leadership.

Also for a guy with only a primary school diploma for most of his life, he made a good way for himself and now, has two colege degrees as President of Liberia. Now his son, Timothy Weah plays for the U. S and Lille (camr thru the PSG academy) . "Mr George" was/ is an inspiration to African kids (like me) who grew up in that era and frankly at the time, the best CF since Marco Van Basten, IMO and the first and ONLY African player to win the Balon D'Or and FIFA Player of the Year in the same year (1995). he would dedicate the Balon D'Or to Arsene Wenger, the guy who signed him at Monaco from Tonnere Yaounde in Cameroon.

{Ed001's Note - he was incredible Weah, good enough to stand comparison with the Ronaldo.}

5.) 22 Oct 2019 20:00:08
Spot on, Ed01. It is these types of players from back in the day where you to win the Balon D'Or, you actually had to be THE best player cos your peers (fellow legends of the game) were just as good enuff to win these awards as you were.

This is why I will NEVER agree with this notion that the millenials (Who in some cases never saw these giants of the game play) want to convince us of that Lionel Messi is the best player of all time. Sorry but NOPE, ain't having that.

The likes of Weah, Ronaldo (O Phenomeno, the best player I have ever seen), Diego Maradona (El Diez, the god of football), Pele (El Rey, The King), Marco Van Basten (arguably the best CF to ever play the game) etc. are all inferior to this guy from Argentina? Nah, man. They need to take that ""Messi is the GOAT" stuff somewhere else and I will be happy to debate anyone with this opinion respectfully on the merits. Peace.

{Ed001's Note - it would be nice to see Messi have to play in similar conditions to the old school players, so a fair comparison can be made. It is much easier to produce skill on a billiard table pitch than it was on the old ploughed fields they used to play on!}

6.) 22 Oct 2019 20:45:16
Duncan Edwards for me was awesome. Still can't believe the number of ManU fans I meet who have never heard of him.

{Ed002's Note - That is because he died 60 years ago.}

7.) 22 Oct 2019 22:09:47
Spot on, Ed. I would also love to see Messi and CR7 perform/ keep their cool while suffering the type of brutal, inhumane treatment Diego Maradona had to suffer in the hands of Claudio Gentile at the '82 WC or the abject physical pain the Portuguese players meted out to Pele in the 1966 WC where they almost left him crippled for life.

I also remember the types of challenges Ronaldo had to ride to score the great goals he scored in Serie A going against hard men like Carnavaro, Nesta, Paolo Montero, Lillian Thuram and the whole lot of defensive legends that played at that time.

{Ed001's Note - it would be just as good to see just what magic those old time players could conjure up without the brutal tackles.}

8.) 22 Oct 2019 22:14:27
You do have a point there about Weah winning the Player of the Year, Ed001, it slipped my mind. I guess the point I was trying to make is that recent and current players have benefitted far more from the internet than their predecessors have because it wasn't there. In my case, I learned the most about them through the monthly footie magazines and the occasional World Cup and Champions League games if they were televised wherever I was living at the time.

Interesting thing coming up soon, in regards to the Messi GOAT discussion. Ronaldo (CR7) is slowly creeping up on Pele's total tally of goals scored in a career. I wonder if he will be anointed the GOAT? But in my mind it's pretty clear that the greats of earlier decades were far better than players like Messi or Ronaldo. Players today have their entire lifestyle "managed" for them for optimal performance. The pitches are better, the ball is actually as round as it can be, and players are protected physically far better by the rules of the game. Not to mention the financial rewards.

{Ed001's Note - I suppose it is different for me as well, my world has always revolved around footie. My walls were covered in posters, Shoot was the comic of choice etc. In fact I would say probably getting on for 90% of the conversations I have had in my life were about football as well! So I forget that if you are not in the same life you might not hear so much about these players.}

9.) 23 Oct 2019 13:53:27
For me it was Shoot and Match and World Soccer (English) , Onze and Mondial (French) and even Placar (I tried to decipher Brazilian Portuguese due to it being close to French and Spanish) .

It's so much easier today to follow your passion (s) with the internet being accessible to everyone.



05 Feb 2019 13:36:59
God this site is never a nice place after a disappointing result. Firstly, nobody is saying you can’t have an opinion and have that opinion respected. But there are some limits.

If you only ever come on this site when things are going badly and to have a moan, but are nowhere to be seen when things are going well, people aren’t going to have a lot of time for you. Some of the comments i’m seeing actually have me questioning why some of you support liverpool at all as it would seemingly make you more happy that we didn’t win the league, as that would mean your negative nonsense would be proven right.

Secondly, there’s nothing wrong with a negative opinion, but spouting hyperbole all over the internet like a spoilt child is exactly why fans of other clubs are desperate for us to fail. You’re not doing us any favours. If you don’t think we’re capable of winning the league due to lack of experience or squad depth or whatever, but hope to be proven wrong, then that's cool.

But turning up on this site after a few disappointing results telling us how its an absolutely certainty that we’ve bottled it and there is no possible way we can win the league (despite being 3 points ahead) and that your crystal ball tells you that we are definitely going to drop more points in the near future, that we are all such fools for even having a sliver of hope that liverpool could win it? For goodness sake lads. If supporting liverpool is such a hopeless, miserable slog with no optimism to be found, i suggest you find another hobby because this really can’t be good for some people.

As for the actual football, it wasn’t great was it. Two uncharacteristic individual errors in the past two games have cost us dearly. Injuries are really hurting us at the moment, hendo and wijnaldum pulling out of the squad was a big blow.

Despite his mistake, i thought that was Keita’s best game for a very long time, and i would let him start the next game alongside a midfield that doesn’t feature Lallana. Mane i felt was also excellent. Salah was isolated and we miss trent down the right dearly.

The most bizarre thing that stuck out to me about yesterdays game was just how utterly attrocious Firmino was. I don’t think i’ve ever seen such a poor performance from him, and i’ve certainly never seen him give the ball away so much. In addition to the ref constantly allowing West Ham to break up the flow of play, Firmino’s awfulness was the key factor in why we couldn’t break them down. Our attack really does revolve around him and if he doesn’t play well, Liverpool don’t play well.

Big performances in the next three games are an absolute must. Klopp has been in a title race before and he needs to use his experience to calm the lads down. Drawing games in this manner is not a disaster but we can’t let it continue. Fingers crossed the lads pull their fingers out by saturday, and hopefully some more positive injury news.

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1.) 05 Feb 2019 14:24:20
You will never reason with the morons and trolls, they must relish Liverpool drawing or not playing to their best every week so that they can type rubbish.
The trolls moan that Liverpool have bottled it and Man City have now won the prem league. Yet less than a week ago Newcastle, who are in a relegation battle beat City. Liverpool have played poorly recently and still picked up points.
Furthermore, many of our players do not have experience of winning trophies, so understandably they are getting nervous, there is a lot of expectation on them. It will be down to Klopp and his staff to get them focused now.
The fact is Liverpool have lost once all season in the league, which is why they are top, but unless they win 7-0 every week then the trolls won't be happy. If Man City lose to Newcastle and Crystal Palace then Liverpool can draw with West ham and Leicester. That's the nature of the premier league.
Maybe the trolls could support PSG instead. Guaranteed success every season watching Neymar and co annihilate inferior opposition to win a league by 30 points or more.

2.) 05 Feb 2019 15:00:15
Woolback this site is nothing compared to twitter facebook etc where our/ clubs like marketing.

Before West ham results I said if we don't win the league this season would be a devastating for klopp, a lot of people disagreed fair enough I get that.

Our fans are desperate for league and why not klopp had over 3 years to build he's side and has always focused on league / CL which is very dangerous and adds more scrutiny / pressure when we fail.

We quickly need to start winning some cups where we can get rid of anxiety from our fans / stadium and slowly but surely start building that mentality where our fans have more belief.

Think recent years coming that close and yet losing it Not twice but trice has been a huge effect on our hierarchy tho.

3.) 05 Feb 2019 18:34:05
Kopitef, it is posts like yours that actually cause division on here. "If we don't win the PL, it will be devastating. ". Devastating for who? Klopp? HE is the reason we even have a fighting chance to win the PL this season (and the CL last season and the EL and League Cup prior to that) if you haven't noticed. Even the owners know that. They may be ruthless BUT they are NOT stupid. Btw, What were we before he came? A joke of a club stuck in neutral under the incompetent BR and 3 years after that, we are top of the PL, 3 points ahead of the "best team in league history" at this time in spite of the issues we currently have. Come on, man.

"WE really need to start winning Cups and . ". Wow, thanks bro cos clearly, no one else knew that until you mentioned it. ONLY one team can win a trophy and if you haven't noticed, we ain't been doing jack for years until Klopp came here. If you want Klopp sacked then come out and speak for yourself and stop using the "hierachy" as a pointless foil. Pls, stop speaking for the "hierachy" cos you are NOT FSG and you don't represent them. If they want to sack Klopp cos he did not win the PL this season, that is their choice, one they will regret, IMO.

4.) 05 Feb 2019 19:15:35
Redwolf most of the times u spoout lots of garbage and present your opinion as fact lol.

Don't try to put your words on my mouth, u aren't that smarter bud.

I haven't seen anyone saying klopp should be sacked lol.

If u don't like my post you can skip them.

5.) 05 Feb 2019 19:42:21
Kopitef, the things I posted were facts that you can actually research, not opinions. Also, I see you did not address anything of substance I posted regarding what Klopp has done and how he got us here that you conveniently ignored to address. Clearly you cannot argue any of the facts I posted so you bang on the table, calling me names. I'll leave that to the side cos I will not engage in such childish ventures.

I maintain, stop speaking for the "hierachy" (whatever the heck that means) cos you are not FSG's spokesperson and do not represent them. If you did not say you wanted Klopp sacked then what does "Think recent years coming that close and yet losing it Not twice but trice has been a huge effect on our hierarchy tho" mean?

And with the "If u don't like my post you can skip them. " bit, you need to leave that nonsense to the side, mate. You are free to post whatever you like AS I am free to critique it with solid arguments (which you did not address) . If you don't want me or anyone to respond to your posts, then don't post. This is a public forum and if you can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen. Peace!

6.) 05 Feb 2019 20:38:10
"Facts not opinion" that says everything abt u 😂😂.



17 Dec 2018 15:41:50
Thrilled with the draw, should be a cracking tie! Not counting our chickens just yet because Bayern are an experienced side with a handful of world class players who can deal damage.

I think we can all tell this Bayern side is not what it once was, i’d just like to ask the eds and people who know the Bundesliga what went wrong? In 2013 they looked set for a period of domination, as did all of German football. But all that i can see is stagnation and regression.

Was it Pep? Players like Muller, Gotze and Badstuber not realising their potential? Players not being replaced properly? Poor attitude, overated players replacing true legends? Or is it all just an overreaction and we should definitely be worried?

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1.) 17 Dec 2018 15:56:22
Bayern are an ageing team. I'm more than happy with the draw.

2.) 17 Dec 2018 16:15:00
While it's always the players who do the business on the field, it's always the management upstairs that is in control of a club's overall success and future. So that's where I would look. To this day, I am surprised they let Pep go so easily, but then maybe he didn't want to stick around and ManC's petrodollars were too strong an attraction. In the last decade or so I have gotten the impression that club directors do seem to meddle in team affairs (going by stuff that appears in the media on and off) .

3.) 17 Dec 2018 17:31:45
I think lack of CL trophy was the decision to part with Pep. Its just my opinion.

4.) 17 Dec 2018 18:34:48
Sorry but how are Bayern an ageing team? Alaba, Neuer, Kimmich, Sule, Conan, Tolisso, Goretzka are all either young or in their prime. Lewandawski is absolutely top notch.

It’s a tie we can win but I don’t like the arrogance or disrespect coming from some people.

5.) 17 Dec 2018 19:10:20
Alaba, Neuer, Kimmich and Lewandowski are all top class sure. But correct me if i’m wrong, the rest are injury prone and flatter to deceive? I don’t watch a lot of Bundesliga admittedly but it doesn’t feel like the professional, all conquering powerhouse of years gone by. Their midfield and central defence looks very hollow these days, Rodriguez and Tolisso? Ribery and Robben STILL being the main men? Come on something has gone wrong there, we thought they were going to be the team to dominate Europe for years to come but instead it was Madrid. The regression in quality of the Bundesliga as a whole has also shocked me massively.

6.) 17 Dec 2018 19:43:17
To be fair to pep the city job would be attractive to any manager, unlimited money, a great set up, already great team, a less than great history, he has the opportunity to really smash records and go down in their history at the very least. The only downside would be living in Manchester ;)

7.) 17 Dec 2018 19:55:49
Bayern are no longer who they were and this has been the case since 2013 when the legendary Jupp Heynekes took a world class team to the treble (beating Klopp's BVB in a memorable CL final) . That team would later be made worse by the so called "best manager of all time" Pep Guardiola. Ancelotti came in and got sacked and the fact that it took Heynekes to come out of retirement, to give them back their dignity last season, tells you all you need to know about who they have become. Did I also mention they are 5-7 points back of BVB this season with the average and inexperienced Niko Kovac as manager?

All that said, Bayern are still a handful esp. at their home ground so we have to be ready for them BUT IMO, there is absolutely nothing to be overly scared of.




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We have three players that can fill that role, one is out for the season wirh injury and two are new signings who are learning the ropes. What good would adding another player into the mix do?

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21 Aug 2018 17:17:31
I find it very hard to feel sorry for someone who let down all his teammates and tens of millions of fans around the world, on two occassions in the clubs biggest game in a decade, all for a loss of concentration that you find it hard to believe a sunday league player would make. I also find it hard to be sympathetic given that after said mistake, instead of offering to give up his holiday to train all summer and reclaim some dignity (as many of our players have offered to do over the past few years despite not cocking up) he chose to go on holiday without shame and absolutely blitz his social media. And then on top of all that, when we sign a world class player in his position, which all things considered was warranted, he decides to complain about it in public to the press.

I’m not saying i have any particular distain for the guy, i wish him well, but he has left like a spoilt brat and i will not miss him anymore than i did Enrique, Johnson or Balotelli. Mignolet will not get a move he has probably been looking towards for a much longer period of time and still has handled it with more grace than Karius has.

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31 May 2018 14:14:34
Think it speaks for the measure of the man that he pushed so hard to go to Madrid, has been there 5 years and can’t even be arsed to learn the language, don’t know what he expected to be honest.

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30 May 2018 22:33:02
Difference being that Fekir has let it be known for a while he willleave, has told the club well in advance and will almost certainly leave with more dignity than any of the others, he won’t have to go on strike or fake injuries to move.

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18 May 2018 04:51:13
Not to be cheeky Macca, but where is the right back? It’s one of the few holes left to plug.

I don’t watch enough of burnley to know but I prefer the sound of Mee much more than Tarkowski, but id take either of them and put trust in them to grow and iron out their deficiencies.

Butland still makes no sense to me for what he will cost, if we really are after a backup keeper it should be somebody with more experience who will cost little. Call me a romantic but Buffon joining us, even to just be backup, would give me shivers, but Reina would be good as well.

Ceballos seems to have been covered by the Ed’s endlessly and would be a smart buy.

Fekir and Dembele would leave us all in dreamland, I’m not fussed if dembele would only be a loan he has so much talent.

As for the speculation that this all means Salah is leaving, personally any player can leave if they so wish. Say what you like about Suarez, Coutinho, torres or mascherano, but at least they all stayed for a few years before controversially departing. If Salah honestly wants a move after one bloody season, and is incapable to see what we are building here, then sod him. As great as he is I see him as a product of the system, and we could almost certainly find somebody to do a decent job in his stead. This is all hypothetical of course as I don’t think he will leave this summer.

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06 Jul 2020 09:27:34
Honestly i think that after his experiences at dortmund he’s thrilled enough that his best players aren’t being sold to their nearest competitive rivals every summer.

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05 Jul 2020 22:40:20
We got knocked out because we couldn't finish our chances, do not blame adrian for that. Our front 3 have been missing bucketloads all season and it came back to bite us. It needs to be fixed.

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05 Jul 2020 11:09:44
100%. The best to ever do it, the most natural finisher the club has ever seen. Terrifyingly however Greenwood at United is the closest thing i have seen to Fowler in terms of being a pure natural finisher in the box, he is the real deal and i’m gutted he’s a United player.

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04 Jul 2020 09:28:06
Should we not just trust one of the greatest man managers in the game to make the right call? Besides Brewster got a champions league medal last season. I think Klopp values the contribution of the younger lads in training in maintaining standards and the overall culture of the team, he views as them as a part of the group just as much as the seasoned pro’s, even if they aren’t playing. It makes sense really when they’re training 5 or 6 times as often as they are playing, and matches are won and lost on the training ground. If Klopp see’s fit, which he will, they’ll get their medals, which he feels they deserve.

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04 Jul 2020 09:17:54
Nobody is saying he couldn’t be a half decent centre back, only that it makes no sense at all to have one of the best sitting midfielders in the world and then play him out of position. We have as perfectly square a square peg as you will ever get, and you are suggesting we take it out and put it in a round hole. Whatever next, Trent in midfield?

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