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15 Sep 2017 22:31:09
Is nathaniel clyne actually injured?
1.) 15 Sep 2017 23:05:15
Yeh he's got coutinhoitis.
04 Mar 2017 07:36:46
Any of our players attracting particular interest from other clubs at this moment? Thanks.
1.) 04 Mar 2017 12:39:40
Sakho was wanted by Sevilla and Southampton but we priced him out of a permanent move.
Lucas has always been wanted by Inter Milan. Probably still is.
West Ham are apparently keen on Sturridge.
PSG and Barcelona want Coutinho.
PSG are also credited with interest in Firmino and Lallana but that seems unsubstantiated at best and complete fairytale at worst!
Aside from that it is still unclear who might be going and where they will be going.
I don't think anyone in the squad except Mane, Matip, Wijnaldum and Henderson are guaranteed to be in our first choice starting XI next season. The next likely after that would be Firmino and Karius.
Some because we will want rid, some because we will replace them, and some because they will want out.
2.) 04 Mar 2017 13:43:37
Wijinaldum has done nothing to be a 'guaranteed first choice' player. He blows hot and cold all the time and rarely lifts himself against the smaller teams - he has a lot to prove.
3.) 04 Mar 2017 15:49:01
He was the same for Newcastle. Doubt he's going to change tbh.
4.) 04 Mar 2017 20:19:36
Done nothing except score crucial goals against Chelsea, Man City and now Arsenal! Not to mention his stunning performance against Spurs. He is our new Dutchman for the big occasions!
He is so under rated. I am torn between Gini and Mane as our player of the season so far. He was signed as a left attacking midfielder and put in a much deeper role by Klopp, yet he has adapted so quickly and seems to get better and better every week! I cannot express enough just how highly I rate him.
5.) 05 Mar 2017 04:10:31
As I said he doesn't turn up against the smaller teams - where was the energy and intensity and box-to-box runs vs Leicester? Or is all we crave now are players who'll turn up for a few big games and go missing in all the others? He has been wildly inconsistent this season and this past week of football illustrates that perfectly. Once again Adam you are wildly optimistic about just how good a player is - Wijinaldum our player of the season? Get a grip mate.
6.) 05 Mar 2017 05:17:07
Seano - no one in this team turns up every game. You need to reallywatch games again and put the outcome to the side in order to make a proper assessment. He is as energetic in losses as he was today. but we lost. that clouds all the judgement of him.
7.) 05 Mar 2017 08:19:33
In my opinion, nobody has consistently improved throughout the season more than Wijnaldum. And he is the least inconsistent of the whole bunch. His position depends entirely on the players around him. If they don't turn up for a game, then he can't be blamed for it. He's just another underappreciated player like Henderson. I really wonder what some of the others here, are looking at during games.
{Ed025's Note - wijnaldum is decent ra but he has to produce more often for me, the guy has a great engine but drifts in and out of games mate..
8.) 05 Mar 2017 13:44:26
I just realized that I am blind. Wijnaldum has been one of our most consistent performers. Neat on the ball, is tough, good movement, gets in the right positions, doesn't lose the ball and has a great engine. He does need to improve his final ball and scoring ability (I know he has scored some key goals but still) but that will come. He isn't flashy but efficient and effective. I can't believe people are talking negative about him. Who exactly in our midfield will you replace him with?
9.) 05 Mar 2017 18:18:43
Wijnaldum is 2 thirds into his first season with us so is just about settled in. I think he's done really well considering.
{Ed002's Note - What! A player settling in to Liverpool after only two-thirds of a season - surely not?}
10.) 05 Mar 2017 17:56:21
MK, sportsman bet, Wiji will not be a regular starter next season.
11.) 05 Mar 2017 18:40:11
I like him a lot and i think he will become a top player for Liverpool, much like Henderson is now.
12.) 05 Mar 2017 19:38:08
Exactly Faith in works. I think he is one of our most consistent players. The issue is that as a deeper midfielder he cannot influence the score line directly as often as he did at Newcastle.
His tracking of runners, tackling, passing, pressing, energy and movement is always there. He is one of the few intelligent players we have. He picks the right moments to go forward which is why he so rarely gets caught out of position. Against stronger sides when he can see nobody is getting into the box he makes the decision to break into the box and it has paid off for him.
Seano I think you're being way too harsh. Out of every player in our squad, Gini and Mane are the only guys who always put in a 7/ 10 performance or better. They never have a game where they are glaringly bad or massively at fault. Testimony to Klopp's vision that is, because most people thought they were dreadful signings 6 months ago.
I am not wildly over rating him anyway. I'm not sitting here saying he is world class or the best in the league etc. I am simply saying that in my opinion he has been one of our top performers. I am entitled to my opinion thank you very much. He is still new to the role, still about 3 years off peak age for a midfielder, and he shows desire to learn. I think he could be a bit more vocal but he is an all round great midfielder. He is good at everything and bad at nothing. He just needs to become great at a few things, continue this form in top European competition, and then he can take a step up to the next level and we can HOPEFULLY talk about him potentially being world class in a few years time.
13.) 06 Mar 2017 00:16:33
Mane has been player of the season, by a mile, he's an incredible and his pace and skill scare the opposition. Wijnaldum has pleasantly surprised me. Still think we need a bit more bite in midfield as I think we are too easily out muscled, but you can't knock Wijnaldums effort and commitment.
14.) 06 Mar 2017 21:53:23
Wijnaldum has pleasantly surprised me but as for player of the season? Not for me. Lallana has pleasantly surprised me, I wanted him gone last summer but he has made huge improvements but like Wijnaldum has blown far too hot and cold. Firmino or Mane for me, Mane the reasons are obvious but Firmino for his work rate. The high press would be a massive fail without him, his energy and leading the press from the front is fantastic. If only he would score a few more. I don't think Firmino is a striker though to be fair.
15.) 07 Mar 2017 12:51:40
Wiji has been solid rather than spectacular. or does he seem better than he is due to can being terrible this season.
Personally against the lesser side I'd like to see coutinho drop into midfield and control the game more.
Or go to 4.2.3.1 either way we need pace on the left side.
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24 Apr 2021 07:59:17
Anyone think there's a real risk we may lose Klopp to either Bayern or the national team? He can't be happy with the owners right now.
1.) 24 Apr 2021 09:31:45
Klopp's got unfinished business here. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't want this dismal season to be his swansong.
Plus he likes to build clubs up rather than go to the big fish of each league and be a chequebook manager.
He doesn't strike me as being the kind of guy to throw the toys out of the pram and cut his nose off to spite his face either.
2.) 24 Apr 2021 09:35:05
Maybe the owners will buy Mbappe as a way to say sorry? Lol.
13 Mar 2021 17:53:19
I know it would never happen but can you imagine Aguero here for a couple of seasons? Would be class.
1.) 13 Mar 2021 18:27:12
We have enough injury prone players in the squad as it stands.
2.) 13 Mar 2021 18:28:00
What a player. But half our squad loves an injury mate, and with it destroying our season, we should steer clear of injury prone players from now on no matter how good they are.
3.) 13 Mar 2021 18:29:14
I think he’s toast mate, we have enough problems with injuries as it is, i’ll be dreaming of Haaland instead 😉.
4.) 13 Mar 2021 18:31:01
Apparently no other forward in world football can do what Bobby does. So that means Aguero falls into that same category.
5.) 13 Mar 2021 19:44:07
Somebody will mention Fekir next :)
6.) 13 Mar 2021 20:50:10
OP, which version of Aguero are you referring to cos this current version is done out here?
7.) 14 Mar 2021 06:53:48
I can imagine him sitting on the treatment table for a season. Class!
8.) 14 Mar 2021 08:49:17
I fancy Aguero to make a comeback and score goals wherever he goes. Because the same people who say he is done also said the same about Suarez and Pep not long ago. Look how that turned out 🙄.
{Ed077's Note - The question over Aguero has always been about fitness and not ability and quality. If he stays fit he will score goals, but can he stay fit for a prolonged stint? Same was the thing with Suarez. And he cant run much with his knee issues anymore.}
25 Jan 2021 11:19:06
Salahs workrate when getting back to defend counter attacks is phenomenal. Can't be many wingers who are happy to muck in like that.
1.) 25 Jan 2021 12:20:20
That's only when he gives the ball away at the other end.
2.) 25 Jan 2021 13:06:46
Best player we have by a mile. manes not on his level for me.
People are allowed their own opinions though.
3.) 25 Jan 2021 13:11:15
On the contrary i thought the lack of tracking back from the whole right side to help trent was disgraceful last night.
23 Jan 2021 09:50:59
Klopp seems to have been a miserable bugger this season. Always moaning about decisions etc. Hope these latest comments about him not picking transfers isn't the beginnings of a falling out with the club.
1.) 23 Jan 2021 10:46:13
Klopp is the best thing to happen to this club. He entitled to a little latitude. He’s accepting responsibility for poor performances when a number of the players should be ashamed. It’s clear as day when need 1 or 2 reinforcements.
2.) 23 Jan 2021 10:55:58
Which is why we’ve down tools. Dragged ourselves to Christmas and now the club won’t buy a CB so the players and manager have chucked It.
I said this repeatedly. A lot of fans on here dwell in a red Tint dream-world and watch a different game, it’s plain obvious which only a few fans can grasp.
3.) 23 Jan 2021 11:15:38
You can repeat the downed tools theory as many times as you like, but it still doesn't add up for me. If our players were of such fragile mentality, we wouldn't have won anything with them in the first place. We didn't strengthen the first team at the start of 19/ 20 and nearly everyone thought we'd missed our chance to overhaul City as a result. Why didn't they down tools then? Could it be because the idea that they've downed tools now isn't some elementary truth that only the deluded can't see?
But let's say you're right. I presume you want Klopp out and the squad gutted then? It's the only solution if you're right isn't it? Cos if they have downed tools, then we obviously have a manager with no control over the dressing room and a group of players who think they can check out of their responsibilities when it suits them. Sure we could solve it in the short term by borrowing another £50m against the club's future earnings to buy Diego Carlos, but what about next time they "down tools"? The theory implies a toxic dressing room and the only solution to that would be to gut it. Nevermind that such toxicity is not supported by anything else we've ever seen from this squad. So throw the lot out. Best team we've had for 30 years? Irrelevant. We've had a bad month, they must be quitters. Out they go and Klopp with them.
That seems like a proportionate reaction to a month of football to me. Definitely no knee jerking going on there.
4.) 23 Jan 2021 11:44:12
So instead of writing 3 paragraphs about my point what is the problem SRed? Here comes the excuses about the Var or the Refs. Or isit the fact we miss our fans more? Or isit because Jota is injured. Are we still In a “blip� If so when do we stop calling it a blip isit Sunday or Spurs? Embarrassing Excuses
It’s clear we’re both concerned about Liverpool at the moment and something is not right. But I’m failing to see another poster who’s given a valid reason why we were top at Christmas and basically haven’t scored since never mind won.
5.) 23 Jan 2021 11:55:47
Players don't "down tools" because a CB hasn't been purchased. For me its just a daft statement.
6.) 23 Jan 2021 11:51:33
Klopp is perfectly correct in what he has said. The issue isn't about what was said, more about how people try to interpret his comments.
7.) 23 Jan 2021 12:01:48
I have to say LFC8 that I agree more with SR's post than yours. And, by the way your post didn't include any solutions either.
In my opinion, the solution will only come when we have a team with all the players consistently playing in their right positions.
Utd are currently top, but where would they be with Maguire and Bailly out for the season and Pogba and Fernandes playing n the back 4.
Whatever anyone says we have been decimated by injuries this season and have fielded around 15/ 16 different CB partnerships.
I know things are very frustrating right now, and I am one of the worst persons to be around when we lose.
Anyway, we are all entitled to our opinions, and that's very much how it should be.
8.) 23 Jan 2021 12:28:02
100% agree KBL. Opinions is what footballs all about and why this site is the best out there because it gets across different views.
My solution to this is work twice as hard, double training sessions, after all, putting it right on the training pitch is always the answer. Effort.
9.) 23 Jan 2021 12:42:59
Won't disagree with your solution though.
10.) 23 Jan 2021 13:06:48
Luck plays a huge part in team sport.
In the 70s and 80s when we were winning the league year after year we had plenty of it, Man Utd throughout the 90s and 00s had plenty of it.
Last couple of seasons we had plenty of it.
In the last month we have had plenty of bad luck.
Teams that get relegated usually do not have any good luck.
If we all keep our fingers crossed tomorrow, we can beat Man U with a gifted penalty.
We have quality players it is only a matter of time.
The season isn't finished there is still loads to play for YNWA.
11.) 23 Jan 2021 13:36:30
Jesus. everyone has imploded on here! 😂😂😂😂.
12.) 23 Jan 2021 12:41:02
Doesn't seem to be much point in telling you what I think the problem is, LFC8, since you've already decided that anything that doesn't agree with your view is red tinted glasses and embarrassing excuses. You can't really expect answers from other people whilst telling them in advance that they're deluded.
But I'm a nice guy, so I'll humour you. I think it's a case that constantly having to chop and change the squad, especially in defense and midfield where all our build up comes from has caught up with us for a couple of games. Klopp has more or less never rotated key players so the team was always consistent and the understanding natural. This season we've struggled to field the same team twice in a row, and that's impacted our performances, especially in terms of getting the ball forward to the front men in good areas before the opposition defence has a chance to set. It got in the heads of some of the players now, so they keep to engineer the perfect shot or chance because they're not sure when the next opportunity is going to come along. I've said it a few times that there's nothing natural about the way they're playing in the top the third lately, it's all forced and trying too hard. It's two or three players trying to walk a goal in around 6 defenders in rather than just taking a man or a shot on.
But hey, I'm sure I'm just deluded or have dyed my eyeballs red or something.
My view aside, you're the one suggesting that the same players who've rightly been praised for their strong mentality over the past 2 years spontaneously gave up on the 27th of December because we didn't make a signing. Why haven't they waited until the end of January when the window is closed and there's no player? If they knew or suspected in advance no one would come, why didn't they give up sooner? That's before we get into the broader implications about the players your suggestion makes that isn't backed up by literally anything we've seen from them over the past 3 years, or get into the fact that there isn't an obvious lack of trying on the pitch.
It's up to you to back your statement up, and all you've got to back it up is 5 games. It doesn't add up. That's the reality of it, sorry.
13.) 23 Jan 2021 15:37:45
They’ve given up bang on the exact date which suggests my theory. Not 5 games I said it after 3, I’ve given you a reason early, I’m not coming on here after the United or Spurs game and saying this when the rest of the fans realise.
I hope your right but I can just ask you the same question. Why has it imploded after Christmas then? Etc
SRed I love this club like you, the majority of these players are head and shoulders above everyone else in the league in my opinion. Even without Van Dijk. It’s the effort that’s gone. Nothing to do with your theory of chopping and changing players because I was there 3 nil down to Barcelona with a decimated team, when that same mish mash of players won the best semi final come back in recent history. It’s effort mate.
14.) 23 Jan 2021 16:50:52
So the whole team and manager has ‘downed tools’ and ‘chucked it’ because the club hasn’t signed a CB in the midst of the biggest worldwide financial crisis in 75 years?
You should take up comedy LFC8 that’s the funniest thing I’ve heard in years!
We are just going through a poor run of form in front of goal. Nothing more than that but your version sounds a lot more dramatic I’ll give you that 😂.
15.) 23 Jan 2021 16:59:25
There is no crisis. Our players still work hard. In many of the recent games our front 3 were pressing like mad. There is no lack of effort. Just poor execution.
There is clearly a mental toll. I think our squad has taken the biggest toll of the C.V. because the stresses they have been through since the Kiev final until the day the league was clinched were unreal, and they haven't really been able to celebrate. It's incredibly difficult to perform at such high levels for so long without the euphoria of crowds and bus top rides and meeting friends and family.
One by one the players will get over their mental blocks and the team will click.
09 Jan 2021 08:07:25
I think Shaqiri could be really important for us during this little barren spell we're going through. A little of bit of creativity around the edge of the box is what we need to open defences.
1.) 09 Jan 2021 08:33:39
Agreed. But for that he needs to stay fit. He looked decent in the few games he played season. Most importantly working hard. Fingers crossed.
2.) 09 Jan 2021 08:40:56
Shaqiri is a luxury player and when you play against teams who park the bus then you can get away with them. There’s no point in having 10 players who can press the ball really well for 90 mins if the opposition only have 30% possession. I think players like Shaqiri and Jota will compliment Thiago even more.
3.) 09 Jan 2021 10:15:14
In all fairness shaqiri played his part last nite he hand a good hand in a couple of those goals hope he's in the squad against the devils 11 come next week.
4.) 09 Jan 2021 13:24:23
Always liked SpongeBob and I agree with the comments about him bringing something else to the party, especially when we are up against packed defences and penalty areas. We were in a potential lose/ lose situation last night and he played well and provided some good, constructive moves. Fingers crossed he stays fit and available.
And then there’s our magic number 6, what a joy to watch.
01 Feb 2021 21:56:44
Does this explain why he hasn't had a look in recently? Trying to avoid injury if a loan was on the cards. Hope he does well.
25 Jan 2021 11:14:30
Wow didn't realise he is only 32,thought he'd be much older than that. Surely he or someone else out of contract could do a job for us for 5 months.
02 Sep 2020 17:55:27
Have we changed our stance and are now looking to keep Grujic?
{Ed001's Note - not sure it is a change of stance, we loaned him out last season to get game time not to get rid of him.}
12 Aug 2020 18:41:57
What is this thought that Gini wants to go back to the Netherlands? He's only 30 and could easily play for any of the top teams in any of the top leagues. It's not as if he's 35 and almost at the end of his career.
11 Aug 2020 13:12:13
What happens to the levy collected by the local FA? That 5% presumably adds up to a huge amount for all the transfers in the Premier league.
{Ed002's Note - The FA is a not-for-profit organisation so after taking the operating costs out the rest goes back in to the game.}
05 Nov 2021 19:43:20
I'd rather see Minamino get some minutes. Has done well whenever he's played this season.
12 Oct 2021 12:49:33
Seems like a character to avoid then.
04 Oct 2021 13:32:22
I've never seen a keeper save as many 1 on 1's as Alisson.
18 Sep 2021 23:22:22
I don't think he'll truly be appreciated until he's gone. He's a a once in a generation player for Liverpool.
10 Aug 2021 09:59:44
Clarkson looked a tidy player last night. His quick passing style very similar to Thiago.