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02 Sep 2019 12:51:59
Afternoon eds.

You said Ryan Kent was likely to move, and now he's off to Rangers.

Do you know if this true? £6 million ish. Not bad for an ok player who will probably have a good carear at a slightly lesse club than ours.

Have a good day all.

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{Ed002's Note - I would expect him to move - Rangers if the deal can be agreed.}

02 Sep 2019 13:09:43
Hope works out for him - was unlikely to play for us so good luck to the lad and Rangers win something with him and Ojo.

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02 Sep 2019 13:25:23
Thanks ed2.

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02 Sep 2019 16:08:23
Good move for the lad. i think this move was always going to happen, there was always room for compromise. no need for the little tantrums during the summer. Best of luck to him anyway, and another good deal by the club.

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02 Sep 2019 12:33:31
Kent, Finally, off to rangers, region of £6/ 7m plus add ons. Good luck to the fella!

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02 Sep 2019 11:59:20
Noise about Ryan Kent going to Club Brugge in a permanent deal.

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02 Sep 2019 08:52:03
Bobby Duncan to Fiorentina for £2m plus sell-on clause, apparently.

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02 Sep 2019 10:45:22
Good riddance. Enjoy your time in Italy 👉🏻🚪.

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02 Sep 2019 11:09:34
Bye 👋🏼
The lad seemed to either believe his own hype or was using the name of Gerrard to try and get himself ahead of others.
Good luck to him, he needs to grow up, learn to be a professional, learn that being related to someone is no substitute to hard work, dedication and talent and get himself a better agent.
Hopefully he forges a successful career for himself based on merit.

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02 Sep 2019 13:56:09
Until next summer when he decides he is to good of a player to be there and forces a move, I'm surprised they want such a nuisance.

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02 Sep 2019 14:42:19
Give the kid a break, I wish him well. Still hope he sacks the agent though.

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02 Sep 2019 14:13:13
Does his cousin not want to sign him either then? Rangers could surely pay 2m? Or are they still pleading poverty?

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02 Sep 2019 14:42:09
I look at how the red devils have thrown Rashford in at a young age and now Mason Greenwood and let's see how those 2 turn out, Rashford is hardly living up to his potential and whilst Greenwood is highly regarded, they could end up destroying him. How can an 18 year old Duncan seriously expect to get ahead of Mane, Firmino, Salah, Origi, Shaqiri and Brewster well he could potentially give Brewster a run for his money as he has yet to get an opportunity.

The best he could hope for is a place on the bench for the Carabao Cup / FA Cup and maybe a bench appearance during the very busy months of December and January. If its true that Duncan is being an arse I hope he regrets what could have been (plenty of medals in this team), this young generation of players at the club could be the next big thing in 4 years time, I am looking at VD Berg, Hoever, Elliot, Jones, Woodburn, Arroyo, Glatzel, Larouci, and Brewster and you can add in Gomez and TAA as they will be in their prime.

I hope Stevie G has a word in his ear, a loan to Scottish football would set him straight . I would not want to be playing in Aberdeen on a mid week night in January!

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02 Sep 2019 15:58:03
What's wrong with Aberdeen?

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02 Sep 2019 17:33:53
Honestly just on the Rashford comment thing, I think united have made their own problems. I think LVG actually had just gotten united to a point they might make progress, it took a long time but United won the FA cup and rashford came in and was playing really well. They looked like they finally were able to put in some good performances, then they got rid of him and got jose and went downhill again.

Rashford in turn seemed to just not progress that much and now the end of last season and the first few games of this season hasn't done much.

reckon they should have just carried on another season with LVG see if he could build on the FA cup. But they wanted Jose and here we are, reckon this season will be a bigger 2 horse race than last season. Though would be nice is Leicester grabbed a top 4 place ;)

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03 Sep 2019 15:09:31
I remember Martial looked a spectacular prospect when he came under LVG.

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04 Sep 2019 22:41:50
The fact that salah bobby mane etc are ahead of him is kind of the reason he probably wanted out, he wasn't saying he deserved his place in front of them but he still wants to play first team so fair enough that he wanted out.
Just a shame that he didn't act great with the public drama that forced the move. But we move on, no big loss and the player moves on with a big challenge for him to prove he's worth his words.

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02 Sep 2019 08:38:04
Bobby Duncan off to Fiorentina for £2m. Looks like his agent has had his way. I want to wish Duncan some luck but his and his agents behaviour is totally unacceptable. can't help but feel Bobby Duncan is going to regret his decisions if and when he looks back at his career.
Maybe he and his agent are in the running for the gilfnard of the year award haha.

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02 Sep 2019 18:28:56
He’ll be playing league two football if he’s lucky in a couple of years time, the new Ryan Gauld.

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29 Aug 2019 23:20:29
Is Lovern all but gone Tris?

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{Ed001's Note - all but gone? No, he might well leave but nothing has been done yet. No offer has been acceptable so far. Plenty of time yet though.}

29 Aug 2019 23:54:31
Looks like Roma have got Smalling instead.


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30 Aug 2019 00:39:51
With Roma seemingly looking like they are getting smalling I'm guessing they have ended their interest in lovren?

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30 Aug 2019 06:30:26
Jeez, they must have been desparate, Smalling is an awful footballer.

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30 Aug 2019 17:00:46
I'd suggest Lovren is staying after what Klopp said today i. e. we had four CBs last season and still had to have Fab do it due to injuries and that they will ALL be needed again this season.

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30 Aug 2019 18:55:25
If we want to challenge for all the top honours you need 4 capable CBs over the course of maybe 50/ 60 games. Be a huge risk to let him go, just 1 injury immediately leaves us bare at the back. Lovren is far from perfect but as squad player for backup with his experience there aren't many CBs around with better quality as a 4th choice. 1 more year and then let him choose his next club if he can't hold down a regular spot for us.

This time last year matip was in his position but took his opportunity to claim 1st team spot. Competition is strong in CB and let the young lads have another year of development before we prematurely rely on having to use them.

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30 Aug 2019 20:42:13
I really don't understand all of the negativity about Lovren. I know he's had a few bad games but he's a very good defender.

If we get an injury or two and he gets into the team, I'd put money on him doing a Matip and keeping his place (injuries permitting, of course) .

When he gets his chance, he knows what he needs to do to keep his place. He's seen it with his own eyes.

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{Ed025's Note - hmmmm..

30 Aug 2019 21:35:49
One thing that has been clear is lovren looks much better beside VVD, as does matip and Gomez. Yet matip and lovren are poor together. The key is when they have a leader, someone to organise and talk beside them they look much better. Lovren and matip don't show those qualities.

Like Ferdinand and vidic were such a good pair as they complimented each other's strenghts.

Henchoz looked good with hyypia leading but put henchoz beside matip for example and they would struggle.

You need the right pairing to suit your players strengths. Lovren and matip have had a much better performance level over the last 18 months with virg than anytime previous.

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31 Aug 2019 23:46:28
For once I’m with Ed25 on this. Lovren is not a very good defender. He’s a decent 4th choice but one that you hope you never have to use.

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02 Sep 2019 00:34:12
{Ed025's Note - hmmmm.

why hmmmm, what are you insinuating ed025 . He is a Liverpool player so must be very good . an earlier post put Matip as one of the best CBs in the world, Lovern is not far behind if not even better, world cup and champions league finalist . The red shirt automatically turns you into the best in the world, remember Djimi Traore, a champions league winner.

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{Ed025's Note - you sound like redwolf roy, now i know your very tongue in cheek here but matip has done very well to be fair to him mate..

28 Aug 2019 11:00:58
The issue again has been muted, Stevie G to take over if and when JK decides to leave, Whilst it may seem a match made in heaven there is no real reason to think it could be so. Cast your mind back to Graham Souness, he had all the attributes not unlike SG but was not particularly successful. Surely someone who should be considered is some one who is totally aware of JK's methods and seeing how successful these have been his present right hand man something could be the man. Who knows it could be the start of another boot room legacy. Just a thought.

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28 Aug 2019 11:08:08
Imo Lijnders should be the one hopefully alongside Krawietz if he doesn't retire with Klopp.

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28 Aug 2019 11:13:54
I think we are jumping the gun here!

He is contracted till 2022, and we must assume that Klopp Won’t leave until then, that is a LONG time, lots can change by then.

I am sure the club have plans, but let’s just enjoy our time with big Kloppo!

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28 Aug 2019 11:21:39
I love the idea of a return to the boot room days but are we confident that Pep can make that step up from a number 2 to being the boss? I’m not doubting his football brain at all, but the modern day manager has to have so many different skill sets and the fans have to have absolute patients. I’m just not sure how much of a gamble that would be. I know he was sacked for not getting promoted in his time as a manager, but I’ve no idea if he was very harshly done by (to be fair firing a manager after a year is most often a bit harsh) but is he Liverpool manager material, or is he an outstanding coach? They aren’t necessarily the same thing.

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28 Aug 2019 12:34:13
I don't know who Liverpool will appoint when Klopp finally leaves, but I imagine there will be several high profile managers interested.
As for Gerrard, he has done nothing whatsoever to suggest he should become manager at Liverpool. There are plenty of decent players who have failed miserably at management. A good player is not necessarily a good manager.

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28 Aug 2019 12:38:30
Lets hope they scout the next manager as well as they scout for players.
I don't think it would be a good idea to appoint Stevie as he would have too much of a connection to the club which can cloud judgment, unless he proves to be an outstanding manager in the mean time.

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28 Aug 2019 12:57:57
Gerrard this far has done nothing to suggest he should be our manager. It does not strike me as coincidence that when we hire proven league winners (Rafa, Dalglish, Klopp) we have had success in the way of winning trophies, whereas others have been pretenders despite their best efforts. If Gerrard can put Rangers consistently on top in Scotland, get them into CL group stages and playing good footy againts some top European sides like Celtic were a few years back, then that might be enough to sway me. Can’t see that happening in the next 3 years though!

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28 Aug 2019 13:37:25
this is getting really tedious now. it's amateur hour, and unnecessary to rationalize why stevie wouldn't be suitable based on a litany of former ex-pros who have failed as managers. also, it's a bit deficit focused to just jump straight to the negative bits. anyways, it's ages away. shouldn't ya be looking no further than the next transfer window in january to get ya blood boiling haha.

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28 Aug 2019 15:13:20
Yeah, let's talk about how many goals Glatzel will score in 3 years time when he takes over from Firmino.

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28 Aug 2019 15:33:51
My only concern here is what the message from JK - which probably got lost in translation - will do to the players mindset. I'm sure we all recall that Man United had a bit of a blip when Fergie announced he was leaving well in advance, something he then went back on anyway.

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29 Aug 2019 14:13:40
If it is someone who needs lots of patients maybe we should go for that continental chap Dr Oetker?

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29 Aug 2019 21:19:50
Come on guys, let's not be talking about this consistently until 2022. Let's enjoy the ride we are on with Klopp now. Plenty of time to pick up this conversation at a later date. Let's not worry about it too much.

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30 Aug 2019 00:49:15
To be fair this klopp interview has been interpreted out of context. He simply mentioned that when he does eventually leave us that he wants to take some time off instead of jumping into another job. Never mentioned any timeline or plans of when that will be. He has 3 years left which is a long time really and a lot can change in that time, if we start dominating with repeated success I'm sure he won't walk away from that but also who knows he could see a huge downturn like he had in BVB and not even see out his contract.

Let's take a step back from pointless future speculation as any managers stock can be much higher or lower in a few years than currently.

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30 Aug 2019 10:53:27
That sort of sentimental decision-making is what has got United stuck with absolute mediocrity in Solskjaer. I am hoping, when the time comes, that the club are smart enough to make a decision based on rational thinking and coaching quality, not on emotion and nostalgia.

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30 Aug 2019 19:21:28
I wouldn't rule out Stevie the opportunity solely because he's a club legend, but we're talking about three years down the line. That's a deadline that he can work towards if he really sees himself as following on from Klopp.

His plan should be along the lines of: dethrone Celtic this season; move to a Championship team for next season and get them promoted; then manage to keep them up while displaying attractive and pressing football in the same style that Liverpool currently play.

If he could achieve those things in 3 years, I'd be happy with him to be Klopp's replacement. He needs to look at Liverpool's style of play and implement that as his own, and tweak how he sees necessary. It will be Mr. Edwards' choice if he's still at the club and he would no doubt be looking for managers who play a similar style and have made a success of it. Surely (IF he even wants to succeed Klopp), should be the blueprint he should be working towards. If he doesn't do this, or would want to implement a different style of football, then he shouldn't get the job, quite simply. But I'm not purely against it as long as he shows over the next three years that he's the perfect replacement.

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{Ed025's Note - i dont think 3 years is long enough see if he smiles.. :)

30 Aug 2019 20:31:47
Ed025, I agree that for Stevie it's a short amount of time, but I think that what I'm saying is correct that if he ever wants to be Liverpool manager, he should adopt Liverpool's playing style with his own teams and show that he can be successful doing so.

I think it's quite clear that when Klopp is replaced, it will be with a manager that adopts the same style. If that's Gerrard, I don't know, but the football director will want to keep the style the same, that's for sure. What I was really getting at is IF he wants to be Liverpool manager one day, that's what he should be working towards.

I really have no preference to who the replacement is. I just have a good idea that that's what the director of football will be looking for. If Gerrard isn't doing that with his own teams, he won't be in contention.

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{Ed025's Note - hes miles of even being considered as an option epic, good players dont always make good managers mate as has been said on here many times, also he has the charisma of a coconut which means hes hardly likely to live up to klopps man management skills..

30 Aug 2019 20:51:02
Ed025. Who has the same charisma? Should we appoint Barry Fry?

I'm not pioneering for Gerrard to be Liverpool manager whatsoever. I'm just saying that if he wants to, that's the blueprint he needs to follow. And I said in my last post, three years is an awfully short time for him to turn into the perfect Klopp replacement.

Actually, if I had anything to do with it (which I don't), I'd take a completely different approach to when Liverpool wouldn't let Dalglish have a sabbatical and let Linders be caretaker manager for a year and Klopp can come back refreshed. But I guess that's an ideal world and who says that his style will even work in 4 years time?

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{Ed025's Note - sam allardyce and david moyes are looking for new clubs epic, never say never they say mate.. :)

30 Aug 2019 21:43:15
Where is Sami hyypia these days? Is he currently managing? He always struck me as a former player who looks like he has the strenghts to make a good coach and i remember a few years back he was doing decent starting off but no clue where he's at now. ?

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31 Aug 2019 13:59:52
If the next 3 seasons go well, and Klopp and Edwards want Pep Ljinders to take over, the job will be handed to him on a silver platter. I doubt anyone else will even be considered unless he turns it down.

But 3 years hence is a long time. So this is all speculation.

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27 Aug 2019 11:39:29
Morning ed2. Hope all is well.

Dont know if you have answered this but a few reports saying Bobby Duncan could be on his way to Fioretina.

A loan with option to buy. £10million. Seems a lot.

ta very much from a hot and sticky west country.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool may well see Ryan Kent, Herbie Kane and Bobby Duncan leave in the coming days as all want to move on. It is the result of young players having expectations that they are ready to step up to the first team when they are not. It is a blight hitting many English sides and it is exasperated by the bringing in of youngsters from abroad. German clubs are sending scouts to numerous English youth sides as they look to cherry pick the best players. And yes, Fiorentina want to take Duncan.

It is indeed humid outside in the South West.}

27 Aug 2019 12:12:43
If those playets go along with others we have sold, that should add up to quite a lot pennies.

Do you see any of the players mentioned worth keeping?

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{Ed002's Note - I don't know enough about the youngsters beyond reputation - and I understand that Duncan is expected to do well - whether or not they will eventually be good enough to play for Liverpool is another matter. Clearly Gerrard thinks enough of Kent to continue to look to sign him - and he is certainly for sale. Fiorentina are chasing Duncan and would like a loan to buy - but Liverpool will likely block the move. Kane seems to attracting the interest of much lower tier sides who want him on loan - Portsmouth, Coventry and Hibs. Interest in Kane from a couple of London clubs has gone.}

27 Aug 2019 13:47:37
Thanks ed.

interesting stuff.

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27 Aug 2019 14:58:02
I’m surprised we didn’t let Kane go to Hull who are now managed by the old Doncaster manager, would of been the next step?

He publically said he was keen on Kane but window has shut. Seems odd.

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27 Aug 2019 20:51:11
Kane has attended a few of Doncaster's home games this season so it could be possible he rejoins the club.

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27 Aug 2019 21:04:59
Letting Duncan leave on a loan to buy deal could be a mistake unless we command a generous fee, I'd much prefer just a standard 1 year loan to a lower league English team if he wants to play first team football this season. He may be feeling it's too tough a task to spend a few years trying to make it at Liverpool but fiorentina at 18 yrs old is risky too, he should look for a season loan in England or maybe SPL.

Wonder would Gerrard hold interest in developing his cousin at rangers? And surely we can't afford to keep Kent stagnating in our reserves for another year when he'll be 23. And regarding Kane I also think a loan would surely only be beneficial to raising his stock.

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27 Aug 2019 21:10:22
I rate Bobby Duncan but the moment an 18 old tries to dictate to an institution like Liverpool fc there’s only going to be one winner. I expect we don’t know what’s going on behind closed doors.

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28 Aug 2019 02:42:55
Is Bobby trying to dictate terms to liverpool? I have no idea of the inner convos obviously, but I feel like that is a bit of a stretch to conclude that Bobby is in someway trying to manipulate Liverpool into giving him first team minutes. Could it simply be that he thinks he is ready, doesn't see the opportunity but does see it elsewhere?

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28 Aug 2019 07:14:07
It’s tough at the junior level, opportunities to break through to competitive first team football are rare, perhaps Bobby is simply looking at Brewster and Glatzel and figuring if he gets a shot anywhere competitive he simply can’t afford to turn it down. Doesn’t mean he’s trying to hold Liverpool hostage.

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28 Aug 2019 10:31:42
I’d say if glatzel is ahead of Duncan move Duncan on if he wants to go. It’s very hard to break into the first team, if he has an opportunity abroad, let him take it.

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28 Aug 2019 11:23:00
This isn’t so much a football issue as it is a social issue. The ‘yoof’ of today expect everything right now!

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28 Aug 2019 17:09:33
Seems like the players thinks he is a bigger deal then he actually is?

That's the problem with youth football today, they get paid thousands of pounds a week and instantly think they are gods gift and good enough to be a starter for any team in the world.

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28 Aug 2019 20:20:36
I fail to see how Duncan can be kept at the club after Saif Rubie's derogatory comments online.

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29 Aug 2019 09:18:09
I don't actually believe a word that scumbag agent claimed.

"boy is in real trouble mentally, physically and emotionally because of this, and I really pray that his experience doesn’t happen to any young players again. ”

Like what? The kid's 18 and under contract at his boyhood club, only a year ago when he signed he wrote;
“I have waited so long for this day to finally come, joining a club I’ve grown up watching and supported all my life. Liverpool is my boyhood club, my dream! Now let’s get down to business. "

And now after one good season at U18 level he is:
“never going back there again and he’s on such a small salary that no amount of fines will even make a difference. ”
Huh? Again, he's under contract but now it's the agent making it about money, which is hardly a first.

He also claimed Liverpool told Duncan he wouldn't be receiving a new contract and “have even gone as far as saying in writing that they will punish him and make him stay at the club until January and beyond to teach him a lesson. ”

Teach him a lesson? This really sounds like bs to me. For a while now Liverpool's clear and obvious policy has been to give young players a new contract before sending them on loan. Pretty sure they wouldn't suddenly change that for one player.

As Carra said, Duncan should sack this no good agent asap and Liverpool should never deal with him again. Of course we don't know exactly how BD is behaving regarding all this but he certainly seems to be getting some bad advice. The best thing for him would be to sign a new contract and then go on loan to the top tier in Holland or Belgium where I think he could thrive, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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29 Aug 2019 09:29:00
As for Herbie Kane he already proved himself in League one so with the Championship window also closed (dunno why he didn't go to Hull) I guess a loan to the Scottish Prem is the best option or even better still to a stronger league abroad. Of course that all depends on if any interest materializes and from where.

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