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03 Jul 2021 08:45:36
Can someone clarify something for me regarding homegrown players. We obviously have a fairly big problem with it and club homegrown players.

But for homegrown the rule is play 3 of 6 seasons between 15 and 21 registered within England for Liverpool's case. Does this mean any 18 year old signed as obviously you can't sign younger now would become homegrown at the age of 21? What is the cut off point? Player A from Europe signs this summer at the age of 18 but turns 19 say in November after the season starts will they be homegrown at 21? Basically is the cut off point at the start of the season or end of the season or other?

PickleRick

{Ed002's Note - It is not seasons but years in England or Wales.

There are two things to consider and not to confuse:
(1) Home Grown: The EPL squad rules are a max of 25 players over 21, of which a max of 17 can be non-Home Grown. The remaining eight have to be HG (spending 3 years between 16 and 21 with English or Welsh sides, regardless of nationality, e.g. Nathan Ake is Home Grown for the EPL). If there are not enough HG players, then the squad size reduces, so if there are only six, the squad reduces to 23. In terms of UEFA competitions, the rules vary slightly with the eight "HG". A maximum of four of those eight can be trained by other clubs in the English and Welsh association. The remaining have to be club developed and trained. So If Arsenal were to recruit Mason Mount, he would fall in to the category of being association trained (by Chelsea) rather than club trained. Again, if there are not sufficient club trained players the squad size is reduced. So for Liverpool, Caoimhin Kelleher, Harry Wilson and Trent Alexander-Arnold are the three that meet this criteria so the squad size in Europe will be 24 rather than 25 (or 23 if Wilson is sold).

(2) Club developed: In terms of "club developed and trained" means that they have spent at least 12 months with the club before the year of their 19th birthday. As such Ryan Sessegnon is not club developed by Spurs nor Joe Gomez by Liverpool.}


1.) 03 Jul 2021 13:17:28
Can I ask where Curtis Jones sits in those groups?

{Ed002's Note - He doesn't yet but will becom HG and CD.}


2.) 03 Jul 2021 12:59:07
I’m glad pickle asked this. Thank you for the explanation Ed.


3.) 03 Jul 2021 13:56:54
Thanks no2.


4.) 03 Jul 2021 17:01:03
Thanks Ed002, has Harvey Elliot already spent enough time with the club to qualify as Club Trained (when he comes of age) or will he need to spend time this season with Liverpool to qualify as CT?

{Ed002's Note - just waiting turning


5.) 03 Jul 2021 17:59:58
Just waiting turning 21, Ed002?

Reason I asked is whether the CT issue influences whether he goes on loan.

If he will already qualify as CT then whether he goes on loan or not is purely a footballing decision.

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - As I have tried to make clear it makes no difference - as far as I recall he has been a Liverpool as a player since he was an amoeba.}


6.) 03 Jul 2021 20:53:45
He hasn’t, actually Ed002, we signed him from Fulham in 2019 hence my question.

However, I can see that he was with the academy squad for the first year, so he has already qualified as CT regardless of whether he goes on loan next season or not.

👍.

{Ed002's Note - Sorry I thought the discussion was about Jones. Elliot may also qualify if he stays.}


 

 

02 Feb 2021 10:07:31
On the assumption that only Matip VVD and Gomez are out for the city game who's our CB pairing? Personally I would still assume hendo and fabinho at the back in this game? But then do we try bring in the new boys during a champ league knockout game?

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1.) 02 Feb 2021 10:32:00
Phillips and Hendo at the back with Fab at CDM.


2.) 02 Feb 2021 10:32:25
Phillips and Henderson, if Milners feeling a bit tight put Fab in the 6, doesn't need to play CB again now.


3.) 02 Feb 2021 10:55:30
I'd prefer to see Hendo at the back out of him and Fab. I've been really impressed with Hendo there (Fab been brilliant as well) . Only a guess though but i think Klopp will have Fab at the back with Hendo in midfield. Either way having 1 of Hendo or Fab back in midfield is a bonus. For me i think Phillips deserves to keep his place so will all depend how he gets on against Brighton. I think Wijnaldum is massively underappreciated and Milner been brilliant in midfield the last 2 games so who drops out to accommodate Hendo/ Fab back into midfield? Or does Klopp throw a curve ball and start Hendo/ Fab at the back or even throw one of the new lads straight in at the deep end.
All selection dilemma's for Klopp but positive ones rather than the harder ones he's had this season so far.


4.) 02 Feb 2021 10:56:21
Personally I don't think klopp would trust Phillips in this game. You're going to be up against a front 3 that's all under 5"8 and quick and nippy. Based on Phillips wasn't used at all in games against players like this earlier in the season even with Williams getting the nod ahead of him, I don't think that suddenly he'll trust Nat in this game?


5.) 02 Feb 2021 11:03:33
Either Fab or Hendo can play in midfield. Both must not play at the back.


6.) 02 Feb 2021 11:07:23
Agree with everything you say JK apart from perhaps wijnaldum. I'm really starting to be frustrated with him. Not that I think he's played badly at all but I think he can do so much more. His first touch and the first time he lifts his head are almost always with the intention of going backwards or safely keeping the ball. This is why I think playing the 6 actually suits him better as he never gives the ball away really but he rarely makes something happen either which is why I think people say he goes missing in the 8 role. Again not saying he's been bad but I've seen he has the ability to take the ball forward and play more incisive passes and think he could be a hell of a lot better than what he already is which still is very good.


7.) 02 Feb 2021 11:11:45
Wijnaldum not playing badly but could do so much more is basically the man's entire LFC career to date, isn't it?


8.) 02 Feb 2021 11:27:39
I can see one of the new boys starting against City. Depends how well they do in training until then. Davies played very well against City in the PNE v City cup game.
Kabak is pretty quick but not sure if our defensive line will be as high as usual in that game.

I can't see Phillips or Williams starting. Although I'd be more confident with Phillips based on recent performances.


9.) 02 Feb 2021 11:42:57
Team vs Brighton
AB
TAA NP JH KT (Perfect game for robbo to have a break)
TA GW XS
MS BF DO (if Mane still not fit)

Team vs City (if everyone is fit)
AB
TAA NP FT AR
TA JH JM
MS BF SM

gives Kabak, Davies couple weeks to get in get used to the squad and then use them against RB, Leicester.


10.) 02 Feb 2021 12:29:37
I’d be prepared to give Kabak his debut against City and go with Henderson, Fabinho and either Wijnaldum or Thiago in midfield.


11.) 02 Feb 2021 12:32:57
I think we have to have one of Fab or Hendo in midfield.


12.) 02 Feb 2021 13:13:52
I agree, 6Times. Before we do anything or say anything about the City game, we have the Brighton game and we HAVE to win that if we want any chance of making the City game relevant. Hence, I think we can go with the Hendo-Phillips partnership while we get Kabak ready for the City game.


13.) 02 Feb 2021 13:31:41
I could see Davies and Henderson starting, both speak English wel enough to communicate properly, Davies will be more adjusted to the weather/ country etc I’m happy either way


 

 

05 Jan 2021 15:17:28
Ed002 a quick one for you if you don't mind. I just read an article discussing the transfer situation with Brexit.

It made it out that while signing players from Europe will be harder as they'll need a work permit it will be easier to sign players from South America for example.

I thought essentially the system that was in place for signing players from outside the EU is now in place for everywhere essentially? So surely signing a player from I'll keep using south America for ease, will be the same as before? Or have I missed something?

PickleRick

{Ed002's Note - It will make no difference for those from outside of the EU. The process remains the same. The Work Permit rules are tweaked quite often but not such that there will be a significant change.}


1.) 05 Jan 2021 17:48:00
Cheers ed that's what I thought. Happy new year to you and yours and all the eds.


 

 

11 Nov 2019 15:04:54
Am i wrong in thinking the following.

Any handball in a lead up to a goal by attacking team regardless of accident will be given as handball? Mane v United or Jesus v Tottenham etc.

Would this not apply to yesterday like if Trent doesn't touch it and Sterling I think was behind him scores VAR would run it out? Surely same logic means you can't give a penalty. I was surprised so much got made of it to be honest.

PickleRick

{Ed002's Note - You are correct, biut the logic does not apply if a penalty is given.}


1.) 11 Nov 2019 15:17:06
If a penalty was awarded by the ref are you saying it would not be overruled Ed? I just want to make sure I understand correctly as under the rules as they are I would probably agree.

What is the general hand ball rule now? Is it still based on natural/ unnatural position? If so I would argue Bernardos hand is stretched out behind while Trent's is at his side. Could this not lead to a penalty potentially having cause to be overturned?

{Ed002's Note - The rule only applies if a goal were to be the benefit, not a penalty.}


2.) 11 Nov 2019 15:26:16
My sentiments exactly, OP and Ed02. City have NO case here BUT good luck explaining that to the SM mob.


3.) 11 Nov 2019 15:26:14
Am amazed that everyone is talking about trents hand ball when it clearly hits silvers hand first. Neither of the players meant it intentionally!


4.) 11 Nov 2019 17:36:32
Ed. Are you sure as the rule clearly states handball is an offence if it hits the arm and leads to a goalscoring opportunity. A penalty is a goalscoring opportunity?

{Ed002's Note - Yes, I am sure.}


5.) 11 Nov 2019 17:36:46
Longthing76, I was watching a youtube watch along clip today with fan from City, Utd, Gunners, Newcastle, LFC and Chelsea fan and when the TAA incident happened, the City fan esp. ;lost his mind and was crying the whole time about how VAR got paid off by LFC and blah, blah, blah . Then, the LFC fan read the rule regarding how the TAA handball could not be a pen cos the ball riocheted off Silva's arm first then hits TAA's arm suddenly hence, no penalty.

Can you believe that the City and Chelsea fan wanted the play called back to give LFC a free kick? I mean, have these guys ever heard about playing the advantage? Why would the ref call back a foul in LFC's fav. while we were on the counter? Also, notice that NOBODY i talking about the fact that had City even scored off that pla, VAR would have called it back cos well, Silva handled the ball just like Mane's goal got called back vs Utd, Again, good luck explaining all of this to the Triggered City and Rivals fans on SM.


6.) 11 Nov 2019 19:33:02
Look at BOTH of trent's arms. They are both slightly away from his body as he has to lower himself after the deflection from silva's arm. If you bend your knees like that, your arms go out (unless riverdancing of course)


7.) 11 Nov 2019 23:25:22
Spot on, Robbie. This is what is conveniently being omitted in all the analysis of this play. The ball ricochets off Lovs, then onto Silva's arm. Then, TAA running onto the scene has to slow down hence, his hands are away of from his body to keep his balance and the ball hits his arm again, off of two initial deflections. Yet these clowns would have us believe that this is a penalty.

Also Michael Oliver was 4 yards away from the play. He had a clear view of it and deemed that in his opinion, TAA could not get his arm out of the way fast enuff after a double deflection. Again, the media leave that out in their analysis. I know they love Pep and want to let him off easy after Klopp did him for the upteenth time BUT this is ridiculous.


 

 

 

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20 Jul 2021 17:42:26
Karius playing so he's our number 1 now.

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05 Jul 2021 15:39:15
Following on from what you said mftonjes, I remember reading that Nat Phillips became vegan during his time at Stuttgart after being advised this could help with him having issues with regular swelling and niggles due to this. Could be wrong on a couple of details there but I wanted to follow on potentially to the eds, do clubs now and in particular Liverpool place a stronger emphasis on specialized individual diets if there are signs of consistent injuries or maybe even individualized training routines to either strengthen support muscles in problem areas or in helping to prevent stress on problem areas?

I think I remember ed001 (could be wrong) a couple of years back saying that while this side of the game was developing it was still quite far behind a lot of other top level sports I was wondering is there now more emphasis on this?

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{Ed001's Note - yes, Klopp brought in Mona to develop individual diet plans and meals for the players. Lots of other clubs do similar things now and it is becoming a very normal part of the game. It used to be left to the players, but that is changing thankfully.}


 

 

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26 Jun 2021 18:05:00
Wow Jaden is like a young Harry from about 10 years ago.

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31 May 2021 20:59:02
He should give Southgate his number and tell him to pass it on to the new manager.

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18 May 2021 14:23:18
Don't think that's true at all Lancaster.

Liverpool is a business like any other, it can take out farther debt upon itself and presumably would do so and by all accounts has done so based on future revenue. Some of this will be fixed like TV deals and some will be variable such as performance in competitions and sales of assets (players) . With that said if we have done so over the previous years we can't continue to do so year on year, as I'm sure ed002 would say this is simply unsustainable and while many take ffp as a joke we do still have to comply with whatever the guidelines/ restrictions are.

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29 Jul 2021 19:40:30
He wasn't very poor he's still a little light weight and struggling to adapt to the league and overall maybe not Liverpool quality but there's definitely a good player in there that could do well again in either a different country or at a mid table premier league club if given time. I think he needs time and games in the league more than anything which he may not have the luxury of getting at Liverpool.

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24 Jul 2021 19:54:29
Well said Flash. It's as if people think the club go into the summer thinking they will sign mbapppe and Saul on the cheap and when they found out otherwise have been crying at a table tearing their hair out. Actually sounds like some on this site.

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14 Jul 2021 17:48:16
Is that your personal opinion that we'll prioritize a wide forward over a midfielder MK? Just everything you read is about midfielders and it's relatively quiet on the wide forward mark? Would be interested if I've missed something as I think another versatile forward is arguably more important looking at the squad.

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12 Jul 2021 14:31:08
Sorry Ed think I was misinterpreted, didn't mean looked a better player in terms of smoke and mirrors. Should have said became a better player due to having him being able to almost first hand coach them through games. You have essentially answered in the above post anyway that not only does the partner to VVD benefit but also VVD potentially benefits by keeping him in a state of mind where he needs to remain focused. Appreciate the responses anyway, have a good one mate!

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12 Jul 2021 14:10:18
I think salaries are the main factor though MK rightly or wrongly. I don't know what zielinski would be commanding but again Sauls 300k is simply going to be unfeasible and I don't know but I doubt he would be willing to take much if any of a pay cut.

Again I'm just gauging based on the information here and what I've seen Liverpool do the last few years I think our primary target is bissouma if we can get good money in for some players I think we will push hard for him and if not I think we will look to negotiate a cut price deal for Sanchez.

Interesting shout on anguissa though I will give him a bit of a scout, Haven't seen anything of him.

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