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04 Aug 2024 08:15:31
Ed001, I know you take no notice of pre-season results, but what do you make of our pre-season so far?
I can’t tell exactly what we’re doing so early on, but just get the impression we are being coached a bit better again.
Other than than, no big injuries to speak of, a few results against rivals, some standout play by some less-fancied players. That’s surely a success.
{Ed001's Note - until we play actual matches, it is very difficult to really know. I still remember when Voronin looked great in preseason! The key thing is that we have not picked up a whole stack of injuries and everyone is getting minutes. They look fit and sharp, which is good. Just have to hope that they carry that into the proper games.}
1.) 04 Aug 2024 09:15:03
Did you have to mention Voronin? My PTSD from the Hodgson years is kicking in again.
2.) 04 Aug 2024 09:40:24
Darwin - Voronin was one of Benitez’s mystery signings in that strange period under Gillette/ Hicks/ Parry, but I get your point. Even Voronin wasn’t to be the lowest point.
3.) 04 Aug 2024 10:25:01
Voronin aka “The crow”.
4.) 04 Aug 2024 10:31:02
Obviously these preseason games are not played with the intensity of real matches but you can actuslly see the difference in tactics. When playing out the fullbacks have been in the half space and not as wide as were used to seeing. The double pivot in front of them creates a triangle on each side between the midfield and the double pivot. One of the midfield stays forward. When the dounle pivot mids get a chance to turn, they look to get the ball to one of the 4 players ahead of them. There seems to be more under-lapping than were used to too, either from the midfield or tge fullbacks. When we lose the ball we press in a 424 with the attacking mid and striker being in kind of false 9 positions. Its good that we can see a clear tactical plan after such a short time. You look at Man U an its still unclear at times what they're trying to do.
5.) 04 Aug 2024 10:34:54
Any time you get triggered by mentions of the roy era, just remember, always remember, that at the time jovanovic was one of the best players in the world.
6.) 04 Aug 2024 10:45:42
Was supposed to say the between the defence and the double pivot not the midfield and the double pivot.
7.) 04 Aug 2024 10:52:40
Friendly or not, now that we have won against united we can flex mate?.
8.) 04 Aug 2024 10:58:41
Voronin was decent (not world class but good enough) for a couple of months before dropping off. And then he got injured and that was that.
9.) 04 Aug 2024 11:31:17
Ed1, I don't remember if its you or someone else saying that we are not doing more fitness/ conditioning improving stuff during our pre season for last couple of years. Which in turn make our players suffered more injuries in and looking a bit tired during latter part of the season. You think this is still the case with new coaches coming in?
{Ed001's Note - it is not just us, it is football in general. There is a lot less stamina work done now and I doubt there will be any major change in that. Coaches want to make training more interesting and fun for the players now, which is understandable, but it does mean they lack that basic level of fitness. Especially as the modern lifestyle is more sedentary than it used to be, particularly for children. They are not growing up having had all the physical activity of kids in previous generations, which means their baseline fitness is lower.}
10.) 04 Aug 2024 11:53:09
Elite professional football is probably in a league of its own when it comes to Energy systems, physical components and movement planes.
No other sport can be compared to it realistically.
That's not me saying it's the hardest sport because science proves it's not.
But with every sport there's going to be injuries and that also comes down to personnel's genetics And sometimes unlucky and lucky impact injuries.
11.) 04 Aug 2024 12:25:19
Livebird031 flex away, my guy. Seriously tho, it's just and still preseason so the result may not matter overall. However for the coaches, there are things they will like to see translate from training to the pitch.
So hopefully, the correct information (good or bad) is being extracted from these games and helping the coaches work better with the players for the next 2 weeks before the real fun starts.
12.) 04 Aug 2024 14:31:59
Edd001 will you ever do the write ups on Henderson, Jones and elliot. On Hendersons journey, improvement, best position and how he left. On how good Jones and elliot can be and their best positions. I know you're very busy but they'd be great reads for the fans. Cheers.
{Ed001's Note - I will try to get on them mate. Sorry.}
13.) 04 Aug 2024 15:16:24
I remember Iago Aspas looking good pre season look were that ended. Won’t really know anything until the real games start.
14.) 04 Aug 2024 16:03:21
Aspas in truth is a very good player and probably celta’s greatest player of all time, I just think he never wanted to leave his club and couldn’t get used to life in England, these things happen, he is an absolute legend in Galicia though.
15.) 04 Aug 2024 20:47:40
Exactly, PB. Aspas was a very good player before he came to us but he struggled to adapt cos he was home sick a lot. Also, He never wanted to leave Celta to begin with but they needed the cash so he left so his hometown club could get money required to stay afloat. Ed01 said this after he left Anfield.
Since going back to Spain, Aspas won the EL with Sevilla on loan and returned to Celta and has been killing it since then (played for Spain in the WC in Russia, as well) up until a few years ago when age caught up with him. People should not be fooled. As you said, Aspas was a boss player and is a living legend at Celta Vigo.
16.) 04 Aug 2024 21:13:22
He was hardly given a kick as well, I think he said in an interview that he felt he was never given a chance to show what he could do for Liverpool.
Voronin, well, he had a luxurious ponytail, that's about all I remember of him.
18 Jun 2023 19:06:15
City’s money by itself is not the end game for football, it appears. The problem is the combination of the unlimited money and Guardiola’s managerial ability. One without the other leads to either a situation like Man Utd (City often looked very dysfunctional as a club before Guardiola), or regular underachieving seasons where Guardiola runs out of ideas (11/ 12, 13/ 14, 16/ 17).
Klopp is enough to keep Liverpool very competitive when the club has the appetite, but the difference between the spending of City and Liverpool is greater than that between Liverpool and Burnley, quite frankly. The gap is just simply too much to overcome on a long-term basis, unless Liverpool can somehow reduce the spending power imbalance.
1.) 18 Jun 2023 19:54:01
We only have ourselves to blame for this past season. The same goes for the 20/ 21 debacle.
We consciously went into those seasons short and paid for them. It was not about the club being short of funds. We chose to gamble and lost.
This Man City team is nowhere near as good as the 17-19 team.
06 Apr 2019 08:19:17
Regarding last night's game -
I don't think I've been as happy to see a player score this season as much as Henderson yesterday. He was absolutely superb last night and you could just see pure, unadulterated joy from every fibre of his being when he celebrated.
I haven't been his biggest fan over the years, largely due to not fully understanding exactly what he does for the team, but there is no question he changed the game last night.
A question for Ed - Henderson looked great making runs into the box, and his timing was excellent - has he ever been considered for this role regularly?
{Ed001's Note - it was his role until injury problems mate.}
1.) 06 Apr 2019 09:34:26
Top class cm. One of the best around. I would say the most underrated too.
Big shout to klopp for starting keita and his tactics down the left.
Couldnt watch the game. Too much pressure but i kept checking in.
2.) 06 Apr 2019 09:43:17
Robbiesline you got to watch it mate it’s part of the ride you’ll back after and think why did I miss that ðŸ‘ðŸ».
3.) 06 Apr 2019 09:55:02
In the 14/ 15 season when Hendo was first made captain he played a very attacking box to box midfield role and was superb. 7 goals and 15 assists that season. His vision for a pass is superb and his runs off the ball are fantastic. Klopp mainly converted him to a deeper role because of injuries, and partially because nobody else in the squad was anywhere near his tactical level of understanding.
4.) 06 Apr 2019 09:55:21
for me, Hendo is one of Top 10 CMs in the PL (and no, it isn't red tinted glasses Ed025). His injuries no doubt has costs him his pace, durability, endurance, but last night of a reminder of what he brings to the team when unleashed.
Fabinho is a better DM than him no doubt, but in the 2-3 years Hendo had played in that role, he has been very good.
I just hope that when claims the PL and CL this season (fingers crossed! ), he'll be given the due recognition as a captain and player.
5.) 06 Apr 2019 10:28:20
Top 5 cms in prem for me.
6.) 06 Apr 2019 10:32:34
And i know longthing. But if we play at night i can never get to sleep afterwards. My body aches as i am literally clenched for 90 mins. i've been through the heart break too many times dude. Last season's final.
That chelsea game. I have never felt so empty after watching a game. I cried after thr ucl final last year but losing tp chelsea left me with a stone in my chest.
But winning the biggun in 2005 balances it out. And the treble season, i was walking on air.
7.) 06 Apr 2019 11:27:33
The way he set his body up to shoot it was never going to miss. Those easy chances though do get missed sometimes usually by players who have started celebrating in their heads before touching the ball. Hendo is reliable and professional. Was always going to score. I also liked the way he was pointing to where he wanted the ball when Firmino looked up.
8.) 06 Apr 2019 12:36:52
Robbieline--I completely agree. I kept flicking between channels and checking the score as I just couldn't take it! But then, as Longthing76 said, I regretted not watching it all the way through. Its part of the ride. I am going to try and watch it all now.
Unless that was the reason we won? Maybe I should keep doing it. this season is messing me up!
9.) 06 Apr 2019 13:25:38
Spot on, MK. People (somne conveniently) forget what a force Hendo was as a CAM in the 13/ 14 and 14/ 15 seasons. He was such a force in both seasons that City were VERY keen on him till he singed his big contract. In fact, I remember a game vs City in the 14/ 15 season at Anfield where he scored a scorcher (Cou got the second in a 2-1 win) and he (and Joe Allen) bossed Yaya Toure and Fernandinho off the pitch that Sunday afternoon.
It is his injuries and change of position (something he did for the team to the detriment of his own game) that has slowed him down which is why he is not as effective as he can be at times. Last night, he was unleashed and people may just see the goal BUT what people did not see prolly, is his awareness.
Notice that he was the ONLY player on the pitch backing up the play when Bobbie chased a lost cause. He recognized the situation and knew that Bobbie could only play the ball across into that space hence broke his neck to get there. It's called game intelligence/ awareness, something his embarrassing detractors know very little about.
10 Aug 2024 06:54:30
In fairness, Ed, you were the source I had in mind when saying the above.
{Ed001's Note - I have only referred to what the other players say about him. It is a very Spanish thing, so might not be seen as cause for concern, but it worries me. I want a player to be raring to go and not just in early, but to stay behind and work on his game after training. They are the ones you want.}
10 Aug 2024 02:01:56
I do not understand the hype around Bajcetic whatsoever, at least for now anyway.
He played a games for us in season where we performed woefully and it had become clear that Klopp and Ljinders had neglected the midfield. He is known for a good piece of skill against Newcastle that, in fairness, did result in a goal but I believe that single moment is influencing views of Bajcetic more than it probably should.
He also lacks punctuality according to some sources on this site - not a good sign but young players and people in general take time to learn the rules of the workplace.
Would you rather have Bajcetic or Zubimendi at the base of our midfield going into the season? If you think the former, you’re deluding yourself.
{Ed001's Note - it is not according to some sources on this site - it is according to the official LFC site, where players have commented on how he is always late.}
27 Aug 2021 03:32:40
Atletico are well-drilled but are otherwise, frankly, a rank average team. They have no outlet to get them up the pitch apart from Carrasco, who is also mediocre. Adrian doing what he did, as well as Salah and Mané showing the world how not NOT to finish, were the only reasons we didn’t smash them 6-0 in the previous encounter.
10 Aug 2021 10:26:18
Zeddicus, no need to be snarky. My opinion is that Liverpool should be targeting among the best players around now. We have an unreal football team, and should be focusing on two additions a year to improve the first team and therefore the squad, with the remaining places given to promising youngsters from the academy. I don’t see any of the names mentioned improving our first team. If we don’t have the money to improve the first team directly, wait and look for future avenues to do so.
10 Aug 2021 08:20:23
If it is financially impossible to sign Saul this summer, we should just leave it. None of the above mentioned (Bowen, Sanches, Aouar) are good enough for us.
04 Aug 2024 09:40:24
Darwin - Voronin was one of Benitez’s mystery signings in that strange period under Gillette/ Hicks/ Parry, but I get your point. Even Voronin wasn’t to be the lowest point.
04 Aug 2024 05:20:20
You don’t “take a punt” on a player that would cost a huge amount to buy. “Take a punt” is a term best used in FPL, not real football.
03 Aug 2024 15:59:20
Because Gravenberch should have never have been bought in the first place. Just like Charlie Adam was a bad fit back in 2011 (I’m not comparing them as players, Gravenberch is clearly levels above Charlie Adam) and was sold after a season, so too is Gravenberch in 2024.
Gravenberch was a panic buy, no doubt influenced heavily by Ljinders, who was bought after we’d failed to get our primary targets. The quicker he is sold, and his ridiculous wages are off the books, the better.
20 Jul 2024 02:29:45
The club have let Van Dijk, Salah and Trent all get to within 1 year of leaving for free. I do not care one iota the reasons for that, it is just bad management. That’s £100m-£150m worth of players that may well leave for nothing.
As for the Trent situation, someone has told him Real Madrid would gladly have him. That is part of the Madrid strategy now - sign expensive teenagers and megastars on frees for massive wages. Their absurd record in the CL has convinced players worldwide its worth the risk to go there.
If I were him (I am not a Liverpudlian but I have Liverpudlian relatives and I know what the club means to locals), I’d be off.
15 Jul 2024 03:24:41
Criticism of Endo gets on my nerves, man.
He won’t be competing for the Ballon D’or any time soon, right, but do you know who the biggest acknowledger of that is? Endo himself.
He is a highly intelligent, adaptable player humble enough to admit Liverpool might need more quality in the future but I guarantee you the entire squad respects/ rates him highly.
He is an easy target because he is a Japanese player with fewer backers given the relative lack of Japanese-language online presence (it does exist) .
Meanwhile, idiots like Keita “the baller” and Oxlade Chamberlain do absolutely nothing for years yet get half the criticism (exaggeration, I know) .
Show some appreciation to a player who, though he always thought he’d get a chance somewhere, couldn’t believe it was Liverpool that were offering it. He’s damn sure tried to justify the club’s decision every day since.