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12 Jun 2024 11:44:02
I'm reading reports that Kompany wants Joe Gomez as a high priority target for Bayern.

Seems unlikely but if it is true i would struggle to choose whether to sell or not. For me he will never be a starter but his versatility makes him a great squad player.

If we signed somebody like Geertruida who can cover LB and LCB it would make sense to sell him I suppose.

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1.) 12 Jun 2024 12:00:13
Take the money and run. He is behind a 17 year old for a very good reason. Invest the money on a top class LCB.


2.) 12 Jun 2024 12:49:21
Who is the 17 year old?


3.) 12 Jun 2024 12:59:51
Why doesn’t joe get any respect on this page? He was one of our players of the season last year when Trent and robbo were out, didn’t let anybody down until the very latter stage of the season when he looked as gassed as anybody else, also he played 51 games for us, give the man some credit, he might not be the world class looking cb that he was five years ago, but he is an A class squad player who can capably contribute whenever anybody in the back line is injured, wish folks could appreciate the players we have instead of always pining for new ones.


4.) 12 Jun 2024 13:16:34
For someone who apparently can't play football, playing 51 games for a top tier team and then being selected for your country is quite impressive. Though apparently it's only because there are no other English defenders in the world so Southgate was forced to pick him. Gomez has long been an easy target for some on this site for some reason.


5.) 12 Jun 2024 13:40:18
I think Gomez is more than worth keeping around. He can play right back and left back quite competently, he’s a decent (but not brilliant) centre back, so he’s a Swiss Army knife defender. You need a player like that in the squad.


6.) 12 Jun 2024 13:41:25
As much as I like Joe, he’s a squad player, not a starter so any serious offer needs to be considered by the club and the player himself.
I wouldn’t consider selling him myself unless the fee is too good to turn down and we can replace with better or younger.


7.) 12 Jun 2024 14:20:26
Agree with Stuie. Gomez only played because there wasn’t anyone available. And let’s hope that’s not the case next year. He won’t ever be a starter and we should be having those who can push the current ones at the very least.


8.) 12 Jun 2024 14:29:04
Gomez is definitely a player I'd be looking to keep. Covers across the back 4 and does a good job pretty much every time he plays. So we can sell him for maybe £15m, how much will it cost to replace that much versatility?


9.) 12 Jun 2024 17:15:49
Joe gets a lot of abuse - he’s another one who suffers from not getting long runs in the team.

He’s always been good enough in my opinion.


10.) 12 Jun 2024 17:29:57
I see we're linked with Geertruida again today. Can anyone honestly say he's a better player than Gomez? Probably not but he'd probably cost twice as much as we'd get for Gomez yet offer similar ability/ vetsatility on the pitch.


11.) 12 Jun 2024 20:27:11
Also, if it's true that Kompany wants him that should tell you something. He knows a thing or two about defending, right?

{Ed025's Note - but he also spent a lot of money at Burnley Stoneage only to get them relegated mate...that speaks volumes for his type of choices..


12.) 12 Jun 2024 21:20:30
Take the money for joe and run before they realise what they have bought.


13.) 12 Jun 2024 21:21:57
Lol ed25. Infound it bizarre that Bayern appointed him. Seemed an awful manager when at Burnley.

I acctually like Gomez a lot. And I thought his appearances as inverted left wing back this season were excellent. A good squad player with good versatility but if he wants first team football I would be happy to move him on.

{Ed025's Note - yeah Bmena i nearly fell off my chair when i heard he was linked with Munich mate, i see Joe as a decent back up utility player who starts only when there is a crisis..


14.) 12 Jun 2024 21:46:53
Last season he played RB, CB, LB and DM. He has loads of PL and European experience. He’s currently in the England squad for the Euros …. He’s 27 and has never let us down. Ideal candidate to “take the money … and run”.


15.) 13 Jun 2024 04:43:56
still don't know who the 17 year old is that is keeping Joe out of the starting line-up?

Joe Gomez is good enough to start, be a back-up or a utility along the backline. When he had that long stretch next to VVD without injury he was very good. Added to that is the fact he seems to be a positive member of the team, has never been an issue with anything on the field, off the field or anywhere. He is the kind of utility and character every club needs.

his main issue has been maintaining fitness. Gomez isn't someone I'd be looking to move on any time soon.


 

 

01 Jun 2024 16:37:12
I see Juventus have pulled out of the European Super League so it is now just Real and Barcelona
Maybe now they can just rename La Liga and everybody can be happy and we can all get back to this new weird Champions League format!

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1.) 02 Jun 2024 07:14:28
Perhaps we could call it the ‘Arab States Super League’ and save years of messing about.


2.) 02 Jun 2024 10:01:05
UEFA call it. It’s the club World Cup. 32 teams. Not exactly the same but enough to appease.


3.) 02 Jun 2024 10:17:28
We already have it is called the champions league buddy.


 

 

23 May 2024 11:01:06
I've seen us linked with looking at a possible agreement for Matheus Reis (LW) to join us from Fluminense next summer once he has turned 18.

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02 Jan 2024 12:03:16
First of all, a very happy new year!

I have a couple of questions for the Eds.

I have seen stories linking us to Federico Redondo (Argentinian U20 DM) . He seems well regarded in Argentina and apparently available for just £8M.

Is this a player we have looked at (presumably as an Andre alternative)?

If we have been looking at him would he get a work permit? My understanding is that it can be difficult at times when the player does not have any full caps and he is only capped at U20 level. Does the fact that he was born in Spain (presumably whilst his dad was playing for Real Madrid) change anything?

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{Ed002's Note - Federico Redondo (DM/CM) Chelsea have had the player scouted in Argentina but the player wants a move to Real Madrid, who have also sent scouts. At £8M there is little chance of a Work Permit in England. He is an Argentine citizen.}


1.) 02 Jan 2024 13:18:45
Fernando Redondos son according to Wikipedia. Injuries aside I thought he was a world class midfielder. If his son can emulate him then he's going to be some player.


2.) 03 Jan 2024 07:45:18
Ed's why are LFC not taking a punt on cheap, young Argentines like City are? Plenty of potential at cheap prices there.

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of Manchester City taking "punts" on any cheap young "Argentines". They are however investing significantly, as are Chelsea and PSG, in talented young players for the future.}


 

 

11 Dec 2023 11:14:48
Hi Ed's I wonder if any of you have any insight into what our plans might be for Sepp van den Berg?
I believe that he now qualifies as academy grown and from what I can tell seems to be performing well for Mainz in the Bundesliga. (he has won the second most areal duels and third most challenges in the division as well as making it into the team of the week for his performance in a 2-0 win over RB Leipzig) .
Three years away on loan has made him feel like a bit of a forgotten man.

ShipleyKopite

{Ed002's Note - He counts as Home Grown and Club Developed. However, I doubt he will get a chance at Liverpool and should look for a discussion with the club about his future.}


1.) 12 Dec 2023 08:23:29
Ed any idea if there is a recall option for ven den Berg? He'd certainly be better cover for Matip than Phillips or Williams.

{Ed002's Note - It would likely not be possible for vdB, but perhaps Rhys Williams.}


 

 

 

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26 Jan 2024 10:52:04
Alonso taking over in the summer now that Klopp has announced that he is leaving?

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1.) 26 Jan 2024 11:16:59
Yes I pray it’s Alonso.


 

 

18 Jan 2024 14:18:05
I see the FA/ PGMOL are trying to prevent us getting to the final of the league cup by putting Simon Hooper in charge for the second leg!

I wonder how many sendings off he will invent or legitimate goals he will disallow this time!

The guy was so bad they had to change the refereeing process and he is rewarded with a cup semi final!?

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1.) 18 Jan 2024 16:06:50
Isn't it amazing that this same VAR that feels like deliberate controversies are generated around it to increase viewing of Webb and Owen show is being used seamlessly at the ongoing AFCON with no recorded controversy yet? ???.


2.) 18 Jan 2024 16:10:00
The constant moaning about referees is extremely tedious and mundane.


3.) 18 Jan 2024 20:21:08
Disagree TB2. It's hard enough pipping City to the title without losing 3-5 points from two glaring errors and having little confidence that it won't happen again. Coote Hooper and England should never ref top level games again.


4.) 19 Jan 2024 09:54:48
Spot on, RedFlyer. City are more than good enuff to win the title on their own merits and ability, end of. What we cannot have is the incompetence of the referees helping them out not by giving them decisions they don't deserve BUT by robbing their rivals of decisions they DO deserve.


5.) 19 Jan 2024 10:00:08
It really is unbelievable . There does really need to be some rules where refs have made historical mistakes, that they get suspended or at least removed from the club they impacted games. That said, I guess we would have no1 left!


 

 

17 Jan 2024 13:38:00
I see Howard Webb (and therefore PGMOL) have finally admitted that the Odegaard handball against Liverpool was a penalty.

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1.) 17 Jan 2024 14:33:53
David Coote was rewarded by being given the duties of officiating a cup semi-final! It was his first time refereeing in a big game, the commentators said.


2.) 17 Jan 2024 15:13:22
ShipleyKopite, you know it. Oh, and in other news: Gambling is legal in Vegas. That is the next piece of Webbo will have us all believe. That the Odegaard incident should have been a pen is something large majorities of fans and pundits already knew and said at the time BUT notice during and after the game, they kept saying that it was cos Odegaard slipped hence, it could not have been a pen. This is how the PGMOL and their allies in the media condition us into believing the very opposite of the what we are seeing hence, gaslighting us.

So now that Webbo has come clean 3 weeks after the fact (interesting, right? ), what's that going to do? Are they going to improve? Will Webbo put measures in place to get better training for referees to improve their perfs.? Wouldn't hold my breathe, based on the shambles we are being afflicted with on a weekly basis. So according to Webbo, it's as we were. Sound.


3.) 17 Jan 2024 17:37:36
The language he uses is just baffling to me. He said something like ‘we now realise from the feedback we’ve received that the game expects that to be a penalty’. The game expects it? What on earth does that mean?

It’s a penalty. It’s been a penalty for well over 100 years but the PGMOL have only just realised that ‘the game expects it to be a penalty’?

Like I’ve always said these officials have no idea about the game. If they need others to tell them that this was a penalty they are simply not fit for purpose.


4.) 17 Jan 2024 17:58:08
@BP, "The game expects it to be a penalty"? Wait, did he say that? Absolute porkies, man.

"We now realise from the feedback we’ve received that the game expects that to be a penalty’".


Wow, it literally gets worse with these chaps. They are relentless with their garbage and have pretty much admitted that they do not know what the rules are. I keep saying it. Us, the fans know more about the officiating rules of the game than these band of keystone cops patroling our PL pitches. Not being fit for purpose is putting it mildly, man. I would sack them all if I were in charge.


5.) 17 Jan 2024 18:11:04
Why didn't the on field officials give a penalty and then go to VAR to see if it was the right call?


6.) 17 Jan 2024 16:04:51
What I would give for Pierluigi Collina to come in right now and sort out the omnishambles that is the PGMOL.


7.) 17 Jan 2024 18:46:47
JLC - because the on-field ref decision was that it wasn't a pen.

I kinda get what Howard Webb is saying but people won't like this. The referees need a framework to base their decisions off of. The wording of the law infers that if a player falls and that naturally made their body bigger then the ref can interpret that as not a handball.

In this case the VAR clearly says that they see Odegaard slip, his hand goes to ground to break his fall and have applied that in Odegaard's favour.

Then they've said his arm has come towards his body making his body smaller. It doesn't mention this in the rules but they've applied the principle of an arm movement to make the body bigger and interpreted it in reverse, again to Odegaard's favour.

In amongst all that is what we see with our eyes how Mo beat Odegaard with skill hence Odegaard losing balance to track what would have been a run in behind the lines and ultimately we love all the advantage. So that is why "the game" are telling Howard and his robots that this was a handball.

The question for me is how to add that to the framework so that referees can apply it. I think there needs to be an additional line in there that gives the ref the freedom to infer whether all of what happened stopped a clear and obvious goal scoring opportunity. Something along those lines to give them that license to apply that to the current wording.


8.) 17 Jan 2024 19:05:46
I know Oli it’s crazy how clueless these guys are. I’ve just looked up his exact words as I couldn’t remember earlier but he said ‘The feedback we got back afterwards was very clear, the game expects a penalty in this situation and I would agree. ’

But 5 of your officials thought it wasn’t a penalty so how do you explain that Howard?

Did they not realise that ‘the game’ expects a penalty to be given when someone plays basketball in the penalty area? You couldn’t make it up.


9.) 17 Jan 2024 19:30:41
Just a thought why don't they use players that have retired, they know more than these refs know?


10.) 17 Jan 2024 19:33:59
Thanks Faith. my point is about why don't officials give these decisions as handball, and then VAR will check if its correct?

I will bet anything that if the ref gave the handball, VAR would not have overturned the decision, and nobody would be talking about it today!

VAR was brought in to get the crucial decisions right, and it's failing miserably, albeit as a result of totally inept and even corrupt officials!


11.) 17 Jan 2024 20:48:33
It was never supposed to be VAR it was ARV said Phil McNulty from BBC
“My first job for BBC was to announce the new technology on X but my computer was hacked and they changed the letters around on me”
This proves it was doomed from the start and it’s all Phil’s fault.


12.) 17 Jan 2024 21:18:23
Beckers pecker Im telling you, these guys are full of it. They made a mistake and instead of coming clean, Webbo is talking absolute rubbish and incoherent dust in a bid to muddy the waters and STILL try to get away with gross misconduct for the upteenth time. Did he say what improvements will be put in place to make things better? Crickets which tells me nothing will change so it will be apologies galore till the end of the season. "Great process, boys"!

I know the likes of @Faith and @JLC are trying their best to be rational about this BUY Im sorry, I know a con artist when I see one and can smell their smelly stuff from 50 yards out. They make up the rules and as they go along and depending on the outrage the bad decisions generate. That's it, IMO. Nothing left to see yere, guys.

I bet you they will come back with some kockamame story about how Paul Tierney and VAR refused both legit goals we scored vs Burnley that they chalked off for NO reason at all. It will be interesting to know what "feedback" they got from the "game" (whoever/ whatever that is) that "expects" both goals to be legit goals.


13.) 17 Jan 2024 21:18:39
JLC - hey mate, just the first line of my earlier reply was for you. Rest of it for everyone!

But to expand on your point, we still want referees to make decisions based on what they see and then VAR is meant to then clean up the really bad mistakes.

IMO I think it is the correct approach to still allow the ref to make a decision. But where they’ve gone down a rabbit hole is the clear and obvious error bit.


14.) 17 Jan 2024 22:57:13
I've said it all along and I will continue to say it webb must he is as much use as a trapdoor in a canoe.


 

 

30 Aug 2023 11:55:33
Question for the Eds.

If we were to sign Gravenberch (as he currently seems the most likely) do you think we would consider playing a more 'total football' approach in some games? e. g. we play Endo alongside Mac or Gravenberch when we need a permanent 6 and potentially play Mac and Gravenberch as a double pivot where either can step up into the 8 position whilst the other covers the DM position?

Obviously both scenarios assume Szobo is not being rested and is playing as the 3rd midfielder.

ShipleyKopite

{Ed001's Note - the short answer is yes. But you are forgetting Jones and Elliott can figure in those positions too.}


1.) 30 Aug 2023 12:31:30
Ed001 I love Curtis Jones just like you do. When everyone is fit, do you play him over Mac or Szobo or no? Or would you change the formation to play all of them?

{Ed001's Note - I would play the three of them with Jones and Mac behind Szoboszlai having a freer role.}


2.) 30 Aug 2023 13:19:41
Thanks Ed. I'm a massive fan of both Elliot and Jones but my personal opinion is that their attacking attributes far outweigh their defensive qualities. Obviously we've not had the chance to see Jones as of yet but Elliot has looked great in the first few games as an impact sub. I just feel like Gravenberch would offer a bit more defensively stability when not playing a specific number 6.

{Ed001's Note - Gravenberch can't defend, nor is he that good on the ball. He is one of those recent Ajax graduates that are massively overrated.}


3.) 30 Aug 2023 13:47:06
There is so many games coming this season.

So many. You're talking near 50 club games maybe more or less of we go far in all comps. Which is what I want.

And we have all international superstars and captains.

Meaning it could be upwards of 60 for sob, mac, diaz, nunes, trent, vvd, robbo, Alison, endo, salah, gakpo.

Gravenberch is just more help. We get 5 substitutions now, I think. Plus he could be excellent. If its an attitude problem, he couldn't ask for a better manager than Klopp. He will cause jones and Co to step up a level. It'll help with their game and we will just get better players.

So, I'm all for it.

Plus we currently have the best midfield Klopp has ever had. The best forward thinking and technical. World Cup winner and Szob. I'm so happy.

Klopps never had a midfield this good. Let that sink in.


4.) 30 Aug 2023 14:12:14
We’re now at the “being linked with any old dross” part of the window because we left it too late and made too many bad decisions. It’s almost like we learnt nothing from last summer and the catastrophic signingof Arthur Melo or from the failures of 20/ 21, we’ll likely end up with bottom of the barrel players like Phillips or Gravenberch who’ll flop massively.


5.) 30 Aug 2023 14:20:58
Just been reported Bradley has a stress fracture in his back. Out for at least a few months.


6.) 30 Aug 2023 14:22:10
Where do you see Bajetic unlimitely fitting in Ed?

{Ed001's Note - DM.}


7.) 30 Aug 2023 15:33:17
Are we that desperate for a new toy thar we welcome spending millions on someone inferior to the young players We already have at the club?


8.) 30 Aug 2023 16:24:24
For whatever reason Klopp played Gakpo ahead of Jones. The first choice for me are the 2 signings and Baj. I do like how Elliot has performed so far of the bench though.


9.) 30 Aug 2023 18:34:04
Klopp playing Gakpo in midfield was a mistake, or at least doing so in a midfield three. It's fine dropping back from CF like Bobby did but actually starting as an 8, we weren't actually that stuck.


10.) 30 Aug 2023 18:40:32
Mark, Jones had a knock and was not fit to start vs Chelsea so he came on. He has been injured since then when he got an ankle knock in training since the CHelsea game. Just saying.


 

 

25 Aug 2023 11:02:09
Apparently we have had an offer rejected for Gravenberch.

Don't know how much truth there is to it. It seems strange for Italian media to break a story about a Dutch player and an agreement between an English and a German club.

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07 Jun 2024 09:01:52
It will be interesting to see if there is anything in this. 2 separate reports from 2 separate sources - 1 says that we put a bid in yesterday and the other that we are close to reaching an "agreement in principle" with Ederson on wages etc.

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29 May 2024 13:45:06
Hincapie and Pacho according to some South American journo called Christian Martin.

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02 May 2024 09:53:08
Robbo looked way off it (understandably) when he first came back from injury but has been getting back up to speed in the last couple of games.

He will be his old self again and ready to go after a full preseason.

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24 Apr 2024 11:28:22
There has been nothing high tempo or energetic about our performances for the last few months but we are still getting injuries.

We just have a number of players who are all injury prone.

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23 Apr 2024 10:05:32
I find it interesting that the bookies still have Amorim as the favourite to be the next Liverpool manager. His odds have obviously lengthened given what is happening but he is still much shorter odds than Slot as second favourite!

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05 Jun 2024 10:12:04
A question for one of the Eds.

Am I wrong in assuming that clubs must surely sign some kind of contract with the FA in order to be granted a license to take part in competitions?

If they do, surely a part of this contract would be to agree to abide by rues set out by the FA? If they didn't;t agree with the rules they should not have signed the agreement rather than ignoring them and then retrospectively trying to change the rules when they got caught. Surely their lawsuit is frivolous and they don't have a leg to stand on?

They really are the Donald Trumo of the football world!

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{Ed001's Note - yes City signed a contract and agreed to all of the terms they are being asked to adhere to. They are just simply spoilt brats acting like spoilt brats do.}


 

 

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01 Jun 2024 19:38:13
I’m glad we have cleared that up. I was trying to figure out who Carla was.

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01 Jun 2024 16:48:36
I’m with Ed001. To me he was talking about demanding a loan move previously when he knew he wouldn’t be given a chance, not that he was demanding a move now.

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28 May 2024 10:39:52
Although Grav didn't set the world alight he does offer something different to the other midfielders. He is best at receiving the ball on the half turn and then running at the opposition. He also looks like he has some goals in him.

A lot have written him off and want him to be sold this summer but I like him and think that he is definitely worth at least another season. It is likely that the midfield setup will be slightly different under Slot which may (or may not) suit him better, he will be more settled and like you say the Dutch link may benefit him.

Although the club have done what they can to smooth the transition from Klopp, the fact is that there is massive change at the club this summer. We may well see some top players struggling and 'squad' players thriving. let's just strap in and enjoy it!

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22 May 2024 10:55:00
@JK I don't think it is necessarily about the manager/ coaches being able to improve them (certainly my point wasn't) . In Salah's case we know he is capable of much more (we saw it for years under Klopp's management) and I think it may just be a case of 'a change is as good as a rest' and a change in training, coaching staff and slight changes to how we will play next season could be enough to change the fortunes of the players.
You see it quite often that all a forward needs is a fortunate goal to go in off their knee and it can completely turn around their fortunes in front of goal. All of our forwards already have the ability of they wouldn't all be international footballers - they just need that little something to change their fortunes.
We don't even need them all firing simultaneously, we just need any 2 at a time to be firing. Mane/ Mo/ Firminho would all go through spells of not scoring but it was extremely rare that it happened at the same time.
Nunez has to be one of the most unfortunate players I have ever watched play. He hit the woodwork more than any other player in the Premier League and was denied by so many ridiculous blocks and saves that he really wasn't far off having a really good goal return this season. Yes he gets caught offside too often (although some of that was midfield playing too slowly) and misses some sitters (although statistically he missed less sitters that Haaland) but let's not write him off yet. I'm not saying he will score 30+ goals next season, only that it wouldn't take much for him to do so and that it wouldn't be a stain on Klopp's record if he did.

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