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04 Dec 2024 10:47:40
Good hello.
Query: have Real started to look at Liverpool for their areas of weakness.
Right now Slot, Konate and Ryan would be VERY attractive to any team, but only Madrid is an upgrade (and that’s debatable) .
Has the rumour mill had any insight into whether or not Slot sees himself as a lifer or will he move when his contracts up?
1.) 04 Dec 2024 11:52:06
He's only been here 4 months, I don't think he is thinking about his next more right now.
2.) 04 Dec 2024 13:42:17
Been here 5 mins ?
I imagine he will want to build his own team over a few years and see how his project develops.
I can’t imagine he’s using us as a stepping stone to Madrid. Whether he goes there or not eventually is anyone’s guess but I don’t think we need to worry for a good few years yet.
3.) 04 Dec 2024 13:58:13
You do not know that. That’s a guess.
We have no idea how analytic he is and how he has his next five years planned. To me he seems very likely to plan ahead. My point is he’s not Klopp, he’s more pragmatic. If he’s sees an opportunity as being markedly better I think sentiment will not factor in.
4.) 04 Dec 2024 14:00:49
Liverpool Football Club is not a feeder system for Real Madrid or their PR team despite if Trent leaves or not.
5.) 04 Dec 2024 14:01:11
In answer to your query I don't think that they would look at any one team for solutions. They will likely identify where they need to strengthen and then look at all players from all teams for a solution. Just because they are quality and exceptional for us doesn't mean't mean that they would benefit them with a different setup and surrounded by different players.
6.) 04 Dec 2024 14:39:33
I think if we look back at Slot’s history you will see that he’s very considered in his career choices and is very loyal to his current employers.
He was much sought after whilst at Feyenoord and had offer to take over at a number of bigger European clubs including both Chelsea and Spurs which he turned down. Now if he was the type to move without sentiment to further his career then there no doubt he would’ve gone then. Both would’ve put him in the Premier League at a big club with a substantial increase in his salary.
He obviously didn’t feel that was right for him at the time whether that was for sentimental reasons or he just didn’t think they were the right fit. What it does show is that he will not take these decisions lightly and jump ship as soon as Madrid start showing him a bit of leg.
I’d imagine if things are going well at Liverpool and we are winning titles then he would just stay here. At the moment any team in Europe is a step down so why move?
It’s not like Spanish, Portuguese or South Americans who see Real and Barcelona as the pinnacle. Holland is a similar climate to the UK and people tend to grow up watching English football so the pinnacle to many is Liverpool and Utd.
7.) 04 Dec 2024 14:44:51
I wouldn't call Madrid an upgrade mate, I wouldn't call any team an upgrade from us.
8.) 04 Dec 2024 15:10:01
Madrid is only an upgrade in a) weather and b) £££s at the moment. We saw this last week.
9.) 04 Dec 2024 15:23:46
Why0why do people feel the need to troll internet sites.
10.) 04 Dec 2024 15:24:46
Madrid is the pinnacle for most players and their agents but its a poisoned chalice for any manager in my opinion. Regardless- madrid are unlikely to be looking at a man a few months into the job. Klopp would be a likelier target. After alonso that is.
11.) 04 Dec 2024 15:45:01
Just asking for guesses but doesn’t like the guesses he gets ?.
12.) 04 Dec 2024 15:46:31
I’m pretty sure slot only joined us because of the similarity in spirit and ethos between feyenoord and Liverpool, the cities (Rotterdam and Liverpool) and the clubs, in much the same way Juergen felt a spiritual kinship between Mainz, BVB and Liverpool, slot spent much of his career at zwolle so he has vast experience with hard battling underdog teams, Madrid just doesn’t seem like his style at all.
13.) 04 Dec 2024 16:27:06
I’d think Madrid are focussed on getting Alonso in as their manager and nothing will have changed them in that respect. As for defenders and midfielders, according to the press, they’re still keen to sign Rodri by all accounts, which is fine. Anything that weakens city is good and they’re also keen on either Gabriel or Saliba, again absolutely fine with that. What concerns me is this story that Ornstein ran about Van Dijk rejecting the contract offer. Feels like that should be something that must get done. There are very few centre backs that come even remotely close to him as things stand. Whereas Trent is ultimate very replaceable, full backs are ten a penny, top class centre backs are very very few and far between and I’m not at all convinced in Hughes ability to find a replacement given his exploits in the summer.
{Ed001's Note - Trent is not very replaceable. You cannot easily replace the best in a position. Anyone else is a downgrade, even Bradley.}
14.) 04 Dec 2024 17:30:58
Hi ed001, i seriously don't think Trent is as good as you made him out to be. You will see how he benchmarked when he goes La Liga where every decent player could pass the ball like Trent. I believe we will will adapt our player to create the same chances without Trent. Choose among 3 : VVD, Salah, Trent. If i let go one, it will be Trent.
{Ed001's Note - you have no idea what you are talking about if you think there is any player in La Liga who can pass the ball like Trent. If there was, Real Madrid would be chasing them, not him. That pass for Gakpo's goal was exquisite, the fade on it was a thing of beauty and there is very few players who could make that pass.}
15.) 04 Dec 2024 18:14:58
Edd001 I disagree regarding bradley. Yes at the minute but not in the seasons to come. I really think he'll be a goalscoring full back and bettering trents assists. The long passing? Never but that's trents special quality unmatched. Also, that pass from trent was technically excellent but it was a ball over the top in acres of space left by man city with the high line. The pass from salah to gakpo was worldclass. Trents the best long ball passer in the league but salah imo, his passing running with the ball and close or in and around the box is the best in the world.
Edd001 I know you love trent like many fans but imo, he's no right to be on 300k plus a week as a full back. The past 4 years, he's averaging 4 or so assists and scoring a few goals. That's MADNESS if reports are correct about the figures. I absolutely could understand then the club letting trent go but definitely should have been sold then for funds.
{Ed001's Note - utter bollox. You have no idea if you think that was just a ball into acres of space. Go and watch the fade on it, to stop it running out of play. That was a special pass.
I love Trent because he is a truly world class player, it is just a shame that clueless people fail to appreciate just how good he is.}
16.) 04 Dec 2024 18:33:02
Trent has a very good passing range but as fans if there was an option amongst the three to leave 1 out, most would prefer to leave him and try to keep VVD and Salah.
{Ed001's Note - then we should all be glad they don't work in football. The disrespect he gets is incredible.}
17.) 04 Dec 2024 19:02:41
Why is there talk of if one has to go?
There all at the best club in the world.
All three are the best in the world in there positions.
Why does anything need to change.
18.) 04 Dec 2024 19:10:03
I love Bradley and I’m glad he’s at LFC, especially now if Trent does move, which is looking more likely day by day but let’s be real here there is no comparison between the two players. It’s why Klopp picked Trent, it’s why Slot picks Trent and it’s also why Madrid want him as well. Why don’t Madrid try to get Bradley if he is the better option? Sure he might cost a fee but his wages wouldn’t be anywhere near what Trent would demand.
Have to say I’m astonished that people think Bradley is the better option (Mizer excluded as he always had a pop at Trent) .
The only issue I have is can the club afford the high wage demands of all three players ?♂️.
19.) 04 Dec 2024 19:40:40
I'm reminded of a Shankly quote:
"You must believe you are the best and then make sure that you are".
20.) 04 Dec 2024 23:38:08
People are crazy. We should give Trent, Salah, Van Dijk a new contract asap!
21.) 05 Dec 2024 00:08:02
IMO If trent keeps playing the way he has been this year, then by seasons end there won't be many people disagreeing that he is the best RB in the league if not world. His passing is sublime and his defending has really stepped up this year (you could argue that's because the physical demands on him are lessened under Slots system or because of coaching) . The very fact that Madrid are interested tells you they think he is good.
22.) 05 Dec 2024 00:54:08
Trent is arguably the best RB in football, and people are saying he’s easily replaceable? I don’t understand, like what else does he need to do to prove how good he is?
23.) 05 Dec 2024 02:35:13
Just see how trent opened up yesterdays game. He absolutely is needed for us moving forward. Him, mo and virgil should never have been at last years contract.
24.) 05 Dec 2024 08:36:33
Liverpool is my club but let's be honest if we look at what both clubs have won over the last 20 years you can't really deny that Real is a step up for a professional footballer.
Probably look at quite a few players who could move to any club in the world that have chosen to go there over every other club as more evidence.
25.) 05 Dec 2024 13:55:52
Ha, nice discussion opn Trent.
Salah pass to Gakpo? Can't be compared to the pass from Trent. That pass is quite out of the world. To hit it in that direction (not just the space), at that speed and strength. just excellent.
And I can't remember in recent memories who can do such passing.
So he is a talent.
But, nobody is irreplaceable unless you are looking like for like.
You would not get any another VVD, Salah, and did not get a Stevie, a Suarez, an Alonso.
These are almost of of its kind talent
Having said all, I think Trent has improved.
And looking back, I think Kloop while leveraging on his strength, expose his weakness too, with the inverted full back and on.
The system is currently much more balance and he start to perform a better defending role.
So, I wish we can keep him.
I would not hesistate to sell him had he want to leave and there is good money we can fetch for him.
Since he will leave for free, I much rather keep him.
26.) 05 Dec 2024 14:25:26
Real is the most glamorous spectacle in football but they have a toxic history, a toxic fanbase, toxic ultras and generally crap royalist politics, nobody besides their own fans like them and any respect for them is begrudging, as a player I guess I can somewhat see the appeal because they stand for ‘success’ in the quantifiable sense but all the other factors from a footballing perspective make them a deeply unattractive proposition.
27.) 06 Dec 2024 00:46:41
Even trent's pass to Mo that lead to Gakpo's goal vs City. You don't often see that kind of accurate pass from that position of the pitch. People who say you do are just being willfully ignorant.
In saying that, I understand the argument about Trent being the one to let walk out of the 3. That is if the situation is that you could keep two, then I would also lean towards letting Trent go. Bradley is not as good, but is as good as a back-up to take the spot as any. The other two are very difficult to replace internally and in the market.
28.) 08 Dec 2024 00:50:15
Madrid change their manager more often than I change my toothbrush. Going there is career suicide.
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28 Feb 2025 13:30:19
It’s amazing when you look at reality v fiction.
It would appear to everyone that Liverpool are in rude health financially - and the reality is we are - but a £57m loss is huge. Now the club is probably worth £3.5bn - £5 bn and so a £57m loss is absorbed and there are previous costs that are no longer applicable that factor into that figure. We are also likely to go long in the CL and the cost of Klopp leaving, massive players exiting etc (Hendo, Milner, Matip, Thiago, Fabinho, Firmino) will really impact - but ideas of Liverpool spending £400m this summer need to be looked at sharply.
When you see a club as successful as we are making such losses you realise the fine margins of business ownership - and I for one really appreciate us being run prudently so that this “loss” isn’t cataclysmic.
1.) 28 Feb 2025 14:24:17
If you buy the club for 300 million, I don’t know how much of there own money they have invested let’s say another 300 million and the club is valued at 3.5 billion and you make a loss of 57 million based on the previous seasons earnings It’s not a loss loss. Is it 57 million down on the previous season? FSG won’t feel the loss the club just has less to invest. Shouldn’t be buying goalies that’s not needed. Or trying to be clever buying a winger who has had one good season. I don't understand the finances but I understand enough to know it’s the club not FSG that has took a loss.
2.) 28 Feb 2025 14:24:39
Yeah, this is why we need to control the wage bill and why we can't just pay Salah, Van Dijk and TAA "whatever they want. " I am less concerned about transfers as we will be selling players anyway and I can easily see us bringing in over £200m on players that Slot doesn't rate that much.
3.) 28 Feb 2025 14:34:48
This despite record revenues. just goes to show the importance of playing CL football for a club like LFC.
4.) 28 Feb 2025 14:51:37
I read that we had to pay off Klopp and other staff within that loss. As much as I love him, I hope we didn't pay off Klopp's contract and others who decided to leave. I get paying his staff if they wanted to stay but Slot didn't want them.
If we'd bought no one and didn't pay off those contracts, we'd have roughly broken even. That's after losing CL money.
5.) 28 Feb 2025 15:08:54
The reality is that the valuation of the club has zero relevance to the operational cost of running the club. There’s no point even mentioning them in the same comment. There’ll be no mention of the valuation in the club accounts, which will be readily available if you feel the need.
Also worth noting the accounts will run to the end of the 2023/ 2024 season so there won’t be any costs in there for players purchased last summer (e. g. mamardashvili)
6.) 28 Feb 2025 15:14:08
Would be surprised if Klopp wasn't at least offered a golden handshake, whether he took it or not is another thing.
Liverpool announcing a £57 million loss for this last year is maybe why the club weren't desperate to throw money at the playing squad when clearly, there is a squad of players there that are more than capable of mounting a successful challenge this season.
7.) 28 Feb 2025 15:31:02
If we go on and win the league with this team, why should get new bodies in the first place unless if someone is leaving.
We can sit with the same team plus 1/ 2 addition for those making way. Like how we did last time.
Till now the question or we were made to believe -
We couldn't find anyone to improve the first team.
If we win the league, how can you improve/ add to a team that has won the league? .
and so we don't by anyone new again.
8.) 28 Feb 2025 15:40:24
As Ed02 would have said "we don't discuss finances" and as someone who has spent most of my working life in accounting I heartily concur with him. ?.
9.) 28 Feb 2025 15:49:45
PSR (FFP) runs over a rolling three season period anyway doesn't it? So a loss this year won't matter in terms of signing players in the future as our performances this year in the EPL and CL are likely to bring in huge sums next season.
10.) 28 Feb 2025 16:02:07
Didn’t buy a midfielder, therefore didn’t qualify for champions league. The “loss” was self inflicted.
11.) 28 Feb 2025 16:10:03
I agree Wirralean, those numbers have nothing to do with what we can or can't do in the summer transfer window what so ever.
12.) 28 Feb 2025 17:20:07
@ kurtstiener: nah I bet it’s used as an excuse.
13.) 28 Feb 2025 17:21:53
Is nobody going to mention the £36m increase in admin? What the!?
14.) 28 Feb 2025 17:59:36
Of course LFC8 all we needed was a midfielder. Maybe we should’ve signed Keita again? He’s a midfielder.
Signing players guarantees nothing.
15.) 28 Feb 2025 19:32:33
@"signing players guarantees nothing"? above?
so in your words signing Salah and Van Dijk guaranteed nothing!
what a most "inane" comment, what else can you sign to replace players! think you've lost ye Marbles not ye legs Robbo!
16.) 28 Feb 2025 20:03:51
We also spent £80 odd million on Nunez - how's that working out?
Robbo is right, there are no guarantees.
17.) 28 Feb 2025 20:14:06
we do love transfer market excuses scouse john! hehe.
18.) 28 Feb 2025 21:32:11
Signing VVD and Salah didn't guarentee anything Mr Bond, it strengthened the squad but, both were still a gamble. There was question marks over Salah when we signed him as he had already 'flopped' at Chelsea. VVD was Premiership proven when we signed him for a world record fee for a defender at the time but, he could have picked up an ACL injury on his debut and been out for a long time with no guarentee of getting back to what he was. His debut was against Everton too which a few years later, he did get that injury. Nothing is guarenteed in football unfortunately mate.
19.) 28 Feb 2025 22:53:36
Naby Keita was arguably our most important midfield signing of Jurgan Klopps era.
Yes the player himself was a complete disaster, but the minute that guy signed for Liverpool, the level of Henderson and Wijnaldum went up into that almost world class level.
Great signing in my opinion, won us the European Cup ?.
20.) 01 Mar 2025 06:38:04
@007, “signing players guarantees nothing” is an accurate statement.
It doesn’t mean that you stop signing players and it doesn’t stop some players turning into exceptional performers - like Mo and VVD.
But for every Mo and VVD you could argue there is a Keita or Arthur.
18 Apr 2025 13:25:58
Mad how Liverpool are “too pourous” at the back.
Can you let the BBC know they’ve got the league table wrong because it says we have the second fewest goals conceded in the premier league behind the ultra defensive Arsenal.
It also indicates we are top of the league by a distance and that can’t be right.
18 Apr 2025 09:24:38
What certainty?
How would that manifest? Do you mean you’d feel a little better? If the players, the board and the management team all knew (which they did) why would it materially matter other than to placate you?
What would this sense of certainty do and how has this uncertainty affected us?
Are you just saying football things that don’t have actual meaning?
18 Apr 2025 09:22:20
Imagine how classless it’d be to diminish the achievement of the entire squad staff and all the supporters to boost a single players ego.
For shame.
17 Apr 2025 14:22:24
Taurus, why?
Why does it matter other than to placate your own sense of nervousness and entitlement? If they signed in two months what difference would it have made?
The club knew what was happening, the manager did (as he admitted) and the players did.
The club, as usual, got it right. Do you not suspect it may all have been done a while ago but they didn’t want to leave Trent as the only one unsigned? Do you suspect that might have been difficult for him as we try and win a league?
17 Apr 2025 13:01:01
The ideal would be Bastoni at £60m, he’s a racehorse.
Huijsen, if we signed him, should stay at Bournemouth on loan. That’s an excellent set up and he’d get 45 games in the year. He wouldn’t get that with us.
He’d also be working under a top manager there.