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27 May 2018 13:36:43
Absolutely gutted for the boys - not for the result but for the manner of it. I was really hoping for some beautiful attacking play worthy of our run to the final, but while the first 30mins promised much, the way Salah was dragged down and injured, and the way we played so poorly after he left, and watching Karius crumble on the big stage was devastating.

I sincerely hope the whole team can pick themselves up from this, as we seem to be on the brink of something truly special. The biggest disaster of all would be if we let something like this impact the momentum going into next season.

Now for some home truths

- I've always felt the gap between our front three and the rest was ridiculously big. So it proved last night, not just in talent but also in style. Our game relies on Firmino dropping deeper to act as playmaker and to create space, with a pair of wide attackers able to use their pace and movement to take advantage, get into the box and score. We clearly don't have anyone else in the squad able to do that apart from Mane and Salah, and with only one of them on the pitch the opposition can shut us down all to easily. We need a top top wide attacking forward in the transfer window to allow us to remain a threat if any of the front three are injured/ need a rest. It's critical. RM must have been laughing when we took off Salah and brought on Lallana. They knew we wouldn't be nearly as dangerous.

- I've been proud of Gini and Milner individually this season, they've given everything, but it is also clear that they both need the front three to click or we look toothless. Without Mane, Salah and Firmino on fire, our midfield is exposed for what it is - workmanlike. We need someone able to pick the game up and create danger if the front three are struggling, and hopefully Keita is that player. Kroos and Modric schooled us once Salah went off and we can't let that happen again.

- GK. I've been one of Karius's backers, mostly because Mig's was clearly not the answer, but I think Karius will take time to get over this, and the team will need time to trust him again. I think it's critical after the final that we go all out for the best GK we can get to start next season. Karius may come back, and I hope for his own sake he grows to live this down and succeeds in the long run, but unfortunately we can't go into next season with him as our no.1, there's too much at stake

- Finally, I think Klopp missed a trick. It was clear going into half time we were struggling with Lallana out wide. I think he needed to shake it up and put Ings or Solanke on earlier and dropped Firmino into the 10, with Lallana in midfield. We should have realised we lacked any threat, trusted our FB's to push up to create the width and pace instead and really gone for them but that's always easy to say in hindsight.

I hope above all we get over this performance and learn, continue to grow and strengthen the squad. We've had some incredible memories from this season and we can do better still if we don't let this get to us.

YNWA lads. Thanks for a wonderful season and here's to the next.

SGRed

1.) 27 May 2018 14:53:04
ings wasnt on the bench so you can expect klopp to put him on really can ya.


2.) 27 May 2018 16:55:41
I don't have qualms with lallan being brought on, throwing an inexperienced player into a game like that would be hard. I think we should have matched their diamond and played firmino and mane up top. We know they'll roam around anyway.


3.) 27 May 2018 17:08:03
I don’t think Ings was in the CL squad 😄.


4.) 27 May 2018 18:17:24
Win as a team, lose as a team. Don't care what the results is they are my team and I am proud they made it to the final. "If you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win. ". -Bill Shankly.


5.) 28 May 2018 01:07:30
My bad - of course Ings wasn’t an option, i guess the point was, we didn’t have another wide forward that Klopp could replace Salah with, we were forced to changed our system and we went from being on top to being under pressure the rest of the match.


6.) 28 May 2018 07:10:17
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Reality is Klopp watches his players daily and is in a better position to judge. We lost, we will recover and hopefully use this as a great catalyst to go again. Onwards and upwards.


7.) 28 May 2018 08:57:25
Inexperienced players - Trent alexander and Robinson were pretty inexperienced.


8.) 28 May 2018 10:08:10
Woodburn should've been given a spot on the bench and would've been a better option than Lallana. He's the kind of player who can come off the bench and produce a bit of magic, like on his Wales debut for example. The fact we had 3 defenders and 2 midfielders on the bench certainly didn't help. I still don't think Klopp did all he could've to get back into the game, waiting until the 83rd minute and then bringing on Can was pretty pointless. If you need a goal, bring on a striker for dog's sake. Or even Moreno could've had more of an impact, and of the options that were on the bench I'd actually have brought him on to play inside-left instead of Lallana.


9.) 28 May 2018 10:45:30
I would personally have put on Solanke and played Firmino more as a 10 but everyone’s a genius with the benefit of hindsight.


10.) 28 May 2018 15:19:41
Yeah SGRed that would've been worth a shot as well, and of course hindsight is 20/ 20 but my main point is that Klopp did nothing at all. Seemed like he was as stunned as the players were by the combination of the three shocking moments, but that is exactly when you need a manager with a cool head to put any kind of plan in place to try and save the game. Don't get me wrong, I love Klopp, but it's a definite weakness of his.


11.) 28 May 2018 23:34:44
Agree Jurgen Meister. Kloppo gets his subs wrong often when we're losing.

First of all, Ings should've been on that bench as the most like-for-like for the front 3. Of course, not in quality but at least in mobility and versatility. He would've been my choice when Salah webt off injured. We needed to keep the width and stretch them.

Even when we went 2-1 down I would've brought Clyne on at RB and pushed TAA forward. Take Milner off as his legs were done and slot Lallana in the middle. Lallana always struggles playing wide.

Oh well, game is done and I'm not a coach lol.

{Ed0333's Note - so glad your not our coach Greg.


 

 

 

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30 May 2021 05:31:37
That result really tees up the next season nicely - City will be hurting, Liverpool should be back on track with VVD and Konate/ Gomez returning, Chelsea will have their tails up, and Man Utd should be decent enough to be well worth beating.

I just hope we don't sell any of our main forwards (unless we replace), and we get in one solid midfielder to replace Gini and who's able to back up Fabinho if necessary (can then also sell Shaqiri, Keita and less Jones/ Elliott step up)

SGRed

1.) 30 May 2021 09:26:26
I think we have a good team as if now to push for the title.

I know most on here are not interested in keita but I will still want to test him out in the pre season before taking a decision.
We all know he is some player. He has had ample time to show that but he hasn't even shown a glimpse. I think 3 months more for him to sort it out or its goodbyes. he won't have euros so he has a month for fitness and learning the language at least some. A month to train and a month of preseason to showcase he has what it takes.
If he comes good and again there is a very little chance of it happening but if does he solves a lot of problems for us so id take that chance. there is no way we can't sell him w. o. a monumental loss so I guess one final chance!
Maybe we could put a mentor on him to burn his demons and get that football out of him.

{Ed0666's Note - I would rather sell keita and replace him with nehaus if it’s true the German has a €28 million release clause. Keita is too injury prone and we can’t have two midfielders (ox and keita) missing large swathes of the season respectively.


2.) 30 May 2021 10:06:27
My fear for next season is simply regardless of who we sell and replace them with City will go balmy in the market after last night. Reports are even before K. O. they were planning on selling Sterling and Mahrez, so there's 100 million in sales, so that's Harry Kane brought. Add two more 100 million pound signings say Halland and one other and that's a team that won't loose more than three games in the league next season. We will have a cracking team if everyone is fit, but that's a worry as well as VvD, Gomez and Konate have all had long term injuries this season so may take a while to get fully up to speed. But all that being said if we can reach the levels of a few years ago and stay there all season ourselves and Chelsea will be the only team that can compete with City. But we need to be on it from minute one and stay there all season.


3.) 30 May 2021 10:29:48
28 million is a bargain but this season showed that fab needs to play ever single game and if he can't we need someone who can replace him because we loose with out him its that simple.


4.) 30 May 2021 10:36:39
Kimurang, the question is, who’s going to pay them the big bucks for Maghreb and Sterling? I think they’ll not have the interest they’re hoping for, Sterling isn’t interested in going to a club outside of the champions league or not competing for the title, which limits him fo three clubs in the premier league, one of which is us, and all bridges are burnt here so that’s a non starter, United are after other targets (Sancho) and I can’t see City selling to their neighbours and Chelsea are overloaded with wingers and wouldn’t likely be interested, as for Mahrez, he’s 30 years old and I can’t imagine them drumming up much interest at a big price and again, he’s not going to want to play for a club not in the champions league.


5.) 30 May 2021 10:50:18
Test Keita? he’s here 3 seasons he’s absolute poison!
36 games in 3 years?
Volley him out of the club!


6.) 30 May 2021 09:47:47
Trust me ed i want a new midfielder as much as any fan and for 28 yes I will put it on nehaus who looks like a quality player.
But i fear we won't be able to get rid of keita that easily. Ox can be sold and ofcourse we have enough players to sell to actually buy nehaus.
I really want keita to do well. He was unbelievable at leipzig and i was one of the very happier ones when we got him. But don't think things will work out for him. Wonder if a move to back to leipzig is on the cards?

{Ed0666's Note - he was sensational in the bundesliga and I too was overjoyed when we signed him but the simple fact is he’s not lived up to expectations and has off field issues. Time to say goodbye but line you say will be very difficult to find a buyer. Not sure wether Leipzig will take him back mate no idea on that one.


7.) 30 May 2021 14:02:38
Keita needs to go and I think Klopp is fed up with him now. Now at the same time, I doubt it will happen cos who is going to take up those wages he’s on and we may want a bit too much for him hence, making him difficult for him to move. We shall see.

Now as for Neuhaus, I don’t have an opinion on him as I have never seen him play so if any of the posters can describe his attributes and how he suits us then, it would be much appreciated.


8.) 30 May 2021 14:57:47
Keita for Sabitzer?

{Ed0666's Note - I don’t see the hype about sabitzer


 

 

24 May 2021 09:38:25
A quick comment on the end of season

- First of all, thanks to all the Eds. As usual you've all brought so many valuable insights on this forum, and so to our enjoyment of the game
- Massive shout out to Klopp and team for turning things around to finish third and qualify for the CL. An immense achievement given where we were just a few short weeks ago, and gives us excellent momentum into the start of next season
- Special mention to Philips and Reese who managed to swim despite being thrown into the deep end- and to Trent and Robbo and Allison who helped support them through the process
- Fabinho and Thiago really started to form a fantastic double act in terms of control and mastery of midfield. they could be massive for us next year
- Finally, a massive thank you to Gini for his years of service to the club. His selfless commitment to the cause has been the bedrock of this midfield (alongside Hendo, Fabinho and Milner) and helped deliver us no.6, and the long awaited Premier League title. We will forever remember you!

Looking forward to next season already, it's going to be a big one with VVD, Gomez, Hendo and others due to return!

SGRed

1.) 24 May 2021 10:54:08
I’ll second that SG. You saved al lot typing the same thing mate.


 

 

05 Oct 2020 02:56:50
A few thoughts from the game

- This season is clearly going to throw up some very unusual results due to intense schedule, injuries, C.V. related absence etc. which is going to push every team to adapt more than usual

- Having said that, I think Liverpool have looked very shaky in defence recently, and my impression is there are two notable factors

1) Hendo being absent is creating problems for two reasons
- he's been the discipline and leadership that keeps things intense and focussed in midfield, we often look disjointed and uncoordinated in defence without him
- he's also often been the player that's dropped deeper and covered the gap between Gomez and Trent when Trent goes forward. Barkleys two early chances came from down the left, their second goal came down the left, their 4th goal came from getting in behind down the left, Barklays lucky deflected goal came from attacking the space between Gomez and Trent (where Fabinho was trying to move over to the right but it was 3v3 and Hendo would probably have been there), Grealish's deflected goal came from down the left, and his final goal was in behind Trent too!

This is not a criticism of Trent/ Gomez (although they are weaker defensively than VVD/ Robbo) but it's far more an issue of the team leaving them severely exposed on a regular basis (as Arsenal found out too) .

2) I also think the high line is hurting us a bit for sure, but almost more problematic has been the way our attackers and midfielders are pressing so high up in the oppositions third regardless of whether the defenders have space and time. Last season we pressed high when the defence was flustered, but if not then we were often dropping into more disciplined defensive shapes quickly, but this season it seems more of a free for all and pressing regardless of whether likely to succeed. Teams are playing it around us more effectively, creating scoring chances almost anytime they break through the high press.

We shouldn't panic and need to move on from this, but I think without Hendo or someone similarly disciplined on the pitch, we'd be better off playing a 4-2-3-1 to give Fabinho more support as a defensive screen, especially away from home, and we'd surely still have more than enough in attack with Minamino upfront and Firmino at 10. Alternatively we should not be pressing so high up the pitch and leaving our CB's so exposed, as our back 4 is getting torn apart far too regularly when they get around our midfield.

SGRed

1.) 05 Oct 2020 07:59:07
Did TAA play yesterday? He was invisible most of the game which made me think there must be something wrong with him.


2.) 05 Oct 2020 08:57:30
Yes he was pretty invisible, but then Nico has been torn apart on social media too and it’s no coincidence both have taken so much flak IMO. Neither have been getting any real support defensively and regularly have been left to face attackers 1v1 in acres of space, which didn’t happen very often last season. Almost all of the time Hendo was there to help out, and then often Salah was tackling back too. we had two clear lines behind the ball whereas our current defensive structures look like a scatter dot pattern in midfield!


 

 

25 Sep 2020 07:59:40
I know things may have moved on with Thiago coming in, but Grujic really impressed me against Lincoln. Yes a weaker opposition, but there was some real quality, composure and intelligence in his play. still think he's going to turn into a cracking player.

Likewise another outstanding game from Jones, and Minamino getting more and more comfortable every game.

SGRed

1.) 25 Sep 2020 08:16:37
Never fit Harry simple as that. Waste of wage. I’d rather play Jones!


2.) 25 Sep 2020 08:28:29
Longthing 76 - I am sure Grujic has a good injury record? Are you thinking of Shaqiri?


3.) 25 Sep 2020 08:37:56
Sg agree mate I thought Grujic was good last night but so were Jones and Shaq in there. Then you had Thiago who is world class and we all know what Hendo, Wiji, Fab and Milner offer us in there. Probably the hardest area of the field for selection for the players but I think Klopp has a top 4 vying for the 3 positions for the big games and I don’t think Grujic is one of those.


4.) 25 Sep 2020 08:53:01
Agreed JK. Big question for me would be, would he be able to play good consistantly in the premier league? I highly doubt it but I suppose we can't say until we see it. I just don't think he has what it takes to play at this level just yet, I would love to be wrong on this. I think he'll be heading for another club very soon.


5.) 25 Sep 2020 09:30:47
Agree Salah. Fans and I think (maybe wrong) Ed002 said he did very well in Germany but I never watched him. Only way to know if he is good enough for the premier league is for him to play in the premier league but I think he’s quite far down in the pecking order in Klopps eyes. Last nights performance would have def been a reminder to Klopp but next to him he had Shaq and Jones also reminding Klopp what they can do. Plus Wiji, Fab and Hendo have proven to Klopp what they can do at the highest level over sustained periods of time. Then throw into the mix Thiago who in my own personal opinion is a world class midfielder.


6.) 25 Sep 2020 10:16:13
Sorry I was responding to the lower conversation with Harry.


7.) 25 Sep 2020 09:58:06
Salah what are you basing that on? He's never been given a chance in the Premier League. He's been given a grand total of 52 minutes from the bench. In a Liverpool shirt I've thought he's always impressed in preseason and the odd cup game he gets. He did well in the Championship and played 54 games in Germany where he is very highly regarded, and they seem to know a bit about football over there. I think it's a little unfair to say he doesn't have what it takes if he's never had the chance. The fact is he's a very good midfielder who I believe would be a regular starter and quality addition to the majority of Premier League teams. The only question is whether there's room for him at Liverpool or not.
Eds if he was bought by another English club for 15-20 million would that have any positive affect on his work permit situation?


8.) 25 Sep 2020 12:48:24
Top player who has come on leaps and bounds over last couple of seasons in Germany. Really hope the lad stays if I’m honest.


9.) 25 Sep 2020 13:57:24
'the fact is' Jurgen, what so you say it's fact and it's suddenly fact? Stop speaking nonsense, read my post properly and then comment again.


10.) 25 Sep 2020 14:41:04
I think he’s a very different player to Jones (and Milner, Shaqiri) and he was used far more like Fabinho, breaking down play and controlling the game from deep which I think he did very well.

I think he’d make a very good understudy to Fabinho, but with Thiago brought in to do something very similar I can’t see him getting much game time.

Only way I can see him staying is if Klopps seriously considers using Fabinho at CB much more often this season and needs another option.


11.) 25 Sep 2020 14:45:05
JK, I watched Grujic play a lot in his two years in Germany and he is very highly rated over there. His former manager called him the best player he had ever worked with. Now, think of that what you will even tho, not really bothered cos I know he was great for them cos I saw him play.

The guy was amazing for Hertha and Hertha would sign him tomorrow if they could afford him. The issue IMO, is can he do it the way Klopp wants or even if, can he get a work permit or do we even want to sell him to generate funds? Those are the questions, IMO.


12.) 25 Sep 2020 15:07:58
Sg we’ve got 3 games in 6 days next week and only 1 fit first team centre back. I think Fab will def be at centre back for at least 1 of those.


13.) 25 Sep 2020 15:28:51
Rm I’d be happy for Grujic to stay mate and get game time this season. I’m sure his performance last night left a reminder in Klopps head on what he can do. We have the luxury of having an excellent squad now and long May these selection headaches Klopp must have continue.


14.) 26 Sep 2020 04:24:11
Red meister that's not a fact that you state hertha Berlin would sign him in an instant if they could. In January they spent 70 million. Over 20mil on 2 players and 17mil on another. Toussart plays in midfield similar to grujic and they forked out nearly 25mil for him. Why didn't they pay that to buy grujic instead?

Naby keita was much more highly rated in his few years in germany and even at a younger age, granit xhaka came to England after impressing in that role for a few seasons in his early 20s. For me the telling factor is klopp has never seemed to want him in his squad for any season. He's 24 now and we've currently got a midfield with more depth than ever. Over the years klopp has added wijnaldum, AOC, fabinho, keita and thiago to our midfield for big money instead of trying grujic. Emre can and lallana were also preferred.

He can't even get his game for Serbia and only has 8 caps all of which were in friendlies. He wasn't even used off the bench in their recent games and it's not like they have a wealth of midfield talent over the last few years.

I'm not bashing him or saying he's a bad player but we seem to always think that other players are performing much higher than our own boys. Grujic has averaged 25 league games over 2 seasons at a mid table bundesliga team yet gets talked about like he's elite. If naby keita or gini wijnaldum had spent the last 2 seasons in Germany I'm sure they would have enjoyed even better form. Grujic has proved nothing to suggest he would make it in England yet and the fact our manager who has been following him closely doesn't seem convinced tells me enough.

I'd rather sell him for 20mil than for him to be a player we were going to buy for 20mil this summer if he belonged to another club. The lack of clubs willing to offer us the money at a time when many average players are moving for more is another realistic indication of his true worth.


15.) 26 Sep 2020 04:35:40
Good post RM. I haven't seen much of marko, but enough to know you're telling the truth. He's clearly got quality.


 

 

19 Sep 2020 16:59:45
Quick ED25 - snapshot of the table!

SGRed

{Ed025's Note - get used to it SG.. :)


1.) 19 Sep 2020 17:02:42
Wait until Xmas Ed 😉.

{Ed025's Note - christmas has already come for us juicer..we got james .. :)


2.) 19 Sep 2020 18:17:34
I give James until November to realise he can't be bothered and give up.


3.) 19 Sep 2020 18:37:03
Let's hope the good for continues for the blues, just as long as it's not against us and we finish above them.


4.) 19 Sep 2020 19:41:50
I know it's early but I like Everton. This year's Leicester I reckon.

Happy for you ed25.


5.) 19 Sep 2020 21:17:24
James Rodriguez on song is a world class talent simple as that!

{Ed025's Note - he is hailstones, i just hope he can keep it going when the cold comes in mate..


 

 

 

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04 Aug 2021 03:35:52
GT I think the simple answer is the step up from u21 to premier league is much bigger than we all assume, both in terms of ability but also mentally. Of the 2-3 kids that look amazing at u21 every season and are hyped as the ‘next big thing’ very very few are genuinely capable of making the next step to elite level.

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27 Jul 2021 09:37:42
I hear you Mark but Hendos not getting any younger and it’s obvious from last season the challenges we face if We lose Fabinho. Getting someone versatile enough to cover both 6 or 8 makes sense in the long term and also gives you the option to leave Hendo in his best position which is box to box IMO. It’s why I think Bissouma would be perfect for us.

MK I like the 4-2-3-1 against lower the lower league sides as I think it gives you the chance to play Mane, Firmino, Salah and Jota/ Minamino/ Elliott together to break down a stubborn defence, but against the top sides and in the CL I expect the 4-3-3 will continue to be Klopps go to. A lot more balanced and a lot more control in a tough midfield battle.

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27 Jul 2021 06:52:32
I can't believe we're still getting comments about needing goal scoring midfielders! The starting 3 of Fabinho, Hendo and Thiago is potentially a PL winning midfield but I have three major concerns

1) If Fabinho needs a rest or is injured, who plays at 6? Hendo can potentially do it but it's still a big risk to what's a crucial position in our setup given how attacking our fullbacks are

2) While we have decent depth off the bench, Keita has often flattered to deceive, Milner is getting on a bit, Ox has had consistent injury problems and Jones is still young. All of these are potentially capable of proving me wrong and having a great season, but in recent times, none of these has shown an ability to consistently challenge for a starting position, or to change a game from the bench

3) Our best midfielders aren't getting any younger

I would ideally like to see both Shaq and Keita sold, and then one top player brought in who can play at either 6 or 8. That would
1) provide cover for Fabinho if required
2) bring competition for the starting positions (and ability to change games from the bench as a result)
3) help ease the transition when eventually Hendo, Milner and Thiago are ready to retire.

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26 Jul 2021 10:52:48
Everton?

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24 Jul 2021 10:41:25
More than ready? I think you may be underestimating the jump from u21 to professional/ championship to PL…99.9% need to go through 2-3 years of development before being anywhere close to a PL pitch.

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26 Jul 2021 10:56:33
I’m not as convinced by Elliott in midfield TBH - Ox in midfield, Elliott on the wing with Salah or Mane upfront makes far more sense to me, but then again what do I know!

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09 Jul 2021 16:48:43
I’m very keen to see him gradually integrated into the team eg. in games where we’re up a couple goals, or in cup games etc… a bit like Foden was for City. He looks a massive talent.

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21 Jun 2021 16:29:58
Would love to see him replace Shaqiri in the squad, and to get chances in cup games/ substitute performance etc. and to learn from Salah, Mane, Firmino. We should look to integrate him gradually like City did with Foden.

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11 Jun 2021 02:49:56
I think Ox is a brilliant person, and had a fantastic spell for us at one point before the injury, but it’s been some time before he’s impacted a game for us and I would hardly call him a great goalscorer (that long strike against Man City aside! ) . Replace Firmino? No chance.

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11 Jun 2021 02:43:20
Well said VVVV - hats off to Divock.

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