Liverpool Banter Archive January 22 2018

22 Jan 2018 19:06:22
Will be interesting to see how Alfie Mawson plays against us tonight. I rate him and think he has a good future, and he’s quite vocal as well, which we have been lacking.

22 Jan 2018 19:14:44
And we've just spent 75 mil to address that 😉.

22 Jan 2018 19:17:30
Just sent in the same point haha!

22 Jan 2018 19:30:44
Yes Argy,
I logged on to see if my post was there and started reading yours and thought it was mine.

I know we have signed Van Dijk but there are question marks against the other 3 and Gomez may not be ready yet.

22 Jan 2018 19:50:59
By that Gomez logic, how on earth is Mawson more ready? If we are to sign another CB it needs to be another one of true quality. Gomez is our potential CB, Mawson would only block his path without adding to our quality.

22 Jan 2018 20:58:58
Have you watched Gomez tonight? Every game he dives in or commits himself and gives the ball away for fun. Gomez is light years away from playing centre back and if Mawson came here he certainly wouldn’t be blocking Gomez’s path. It would be up to Gomez to up his game if he wants his place.

He’d been so poor defending and attacking on the first half I’d bring TAA on straight away.

22 Jan 2018 21:11:38
To be fair, Klavy, VVD is the vocal defender we have been missing. Two of them could get confusing, especially if they don't agree!

22 Jan 2018 21:58:28
Goalkeeper needed!

22 Jan 2018 22:03:05
So we should just bin the Gomez experiment then, right? Alfie Mawson may be a good player BUT we cannot on one hand say, we should give our young boys a chance and on the other side say, we should bring in players who IMO, have less ability than him as he is the total package as a defender. Mawson is not.

22 Jan 2018 22:21:41
only thing is, Gomez, while playing well, has been caught out four or five times now, and we have conceded goals, let's be fair here, if that was moreno, we would be all be having a go at the loss of concentration,
every point is vital, and 2nd place seems far away now,
Swansea had a better game plan .

22 Jan 2018 22:14:44
Time to give Gomez a rest, he is making far too many errors, maybe TAA would make a difference, on their goal, bad marking, and we had players actually moving away from our goal while the ball was still alive .

23 Jan 2018 01:56:10
agree, I think Gomez needs a rest and probably needs some time as CB, he does okay as a full back but his end product was really poor tonight. he tried to hit a few first time balls in when he had plenty of time to find team mates and just gave it back to them. I only watched about half the game but he did it at least 4 times whilst I was watching.

22 Jan 2018 18:21:27
Time for Liverpool to step up and take advantage of points dropped. YNWA.

22 Jan 2018 18:51:55
They will Ford. 4-0 and straight to 3rd place.

22 Jan 2018 19:17:26
Question is, do Swansea go at us in desperation for points, or do they sit back and play for a "Big Sam point?

22 Jan 2018 19:42:27
2-2 Tonight imo.

22 Jan 2018 20:01:07
Got money on 4.0 so hope so fella ;)

22 Jan 2018 22:03:42
Well that went south really fast, didn' it?

22 Jan 2018 22:03:42
well, all this 3 nil, 4 nil sounds funny now, yes, we were very unlucky not to score at the end,
but the truth is, we lost that game in the first half,
so slow, way too many passes not going anywhere, slow tempo is not good for at all,
any man of the match has to go to a Swansea player, Klopp out thought once again, Salah guilty once again,
thought Gomez had some poor moments, once again,
too many players content on just passing to someone else, they fought and wanted the ball more than us .
an this game, I won't be talking about 2nd place,
I won't be talking about winning any Cup .

22 Jan 2018 22:11:57
All you 4 nil 3 nil lot I think you need to get off the play stations.

23 Jan 2018 03:35:15
A midfield of Can, Wijinaldum and Oxlaide-Chamberlain isn't going to cut it against a team intent on defending where you need a player to unlock the defence. Wijinaldum is the weak link but we have no one else in the team to play there - the club will regret not replacing Coutinho.

{Ed0333's Note - I agree whole-friggen-heartedly

22 Jan 2018 15:18:11
I can't fault Ed002 for always telling us as it is. I remember very clearly how he laid it out a year or more in advance that a certain Phil wanted to bail out. The rest is history.
Now, Salah. This is very sad indeed! How can we sustain a title challenge in this kind of climate? The problem is that the news these days are not subtle at all. It seems everyone in Egyptian football are propagating it. This must be fun for Real Madrid; they don't even need to turn the screw at all!
Ed002, I know you hate questions about timing, but what is your guess when this will happen? Because it seems like Coutinho all over again; a matter of when, not whether it will happen.

{Ed002's Note - They may we’ll make an offer this season but Liverpool will resist selling. There is another matter that could potentially put a spanner in the works in respect of a contract.}

22 Jan 2018 18:33:16
Would you possibly be able to shed any light on this "other matter" Ed? Don't worry if not!

{Ed002's Note - I would rather not, it will only upset people.}

22 Jan 2018 18:46:48
You do ask for trouble Mr Ed002 🤔😉😄✌.

22 Jan 2018 18:46:55
Unless its a clause stating he can go on the cheap to Madrid im not that bothered. if he goes in the summer it would be for crazy money, more than Coutinho and unlike in the past, we have a manager capable of spending the money wisely.

22 Jan 2018 22:05:12
I'm not even bothered anymore, Ed. If Salah wants to force a move, let him go PROVIDED we stick his suitors for every penny we can milk from them.

22 Jan 2018 22:56:57
the thing is, when we do sell one of our best players, it just might be a good idea, to replace him, in the same window, they say that many a game is won or lost in midfield,
we really missed Couts tonight, I am hoping that Lallana has now got his place in the side, we were very short and slow first half .

22 Jan 2018 16:15:58
Hi eds.
have you ever done a player profile on Richarlson of Watford? Or have an opinion on him?
Ta.

{Ed001's Note - not done one yet, but I will hopefully do one soon.}

22 Jan 2018 15:25:02
Ed001 or fellow Reds, do you know if TAA will start ahead of Gomez today?

{Ed001's Note - no idea sorry.}

22 Jan 2018 16:55:06
Maybe West Brom in the cup.

22 Jan 2018 19:06:00
I can see a couple of changes for the Cup game, and why not .

22 Jan 2018 22:37:01
Based on the Swansea game, TAA and Lallana deserve to start the Cup game, and I hope that we speed up the play, cos west brom will sit back a lot and hit us on the break, and make the most of any set piece, its going to be another hard game . could end up another draw .

22 Jan 2018 12:58:07
What sad news that Jimmy Armfield has passed away.
A very knowledgable football man and it was always a pleasure to listen to him on the radio.
He never had a bad word to say about anyone but he was always warm and gracious about Liverpool, and Everton too actually.
RIP.

22 Jan 2018 16:29:00
I loved him on the radio. Rip.

22 Jan 2018 12:46:27
On the subject of motivating millionaire footballers.

I don't mind that they want to play for money, Or that they want to play in the best competition in the world. What i do mind is that they expect it all to be handed to them on a plate.

If i was in charge of a team like that id say ok boys we're not playing till Monday so i expect you all here at 8 in the morning on Saturday. Then take them to go watch for example a under 10's grassroots game and remind them that used to be them.

How all they ever wanted to do was play football because they loved it so much and how they would give anything to be professional one day. Bring out that kid in them who wanted to be the best, run the most who never wanted to quit, remind them there current attitude is turning there back on everything they stood for as a child.

just my opinion.

22 Jan 2018 12:50:11
Very good post and a great point. Couldn't agree more.

22 Jan 2018 12:57:42
cracking post and well put together.

22 Jan 2018 13:03:26
Most people are not performing at their optimum ability at 7.45pm. I would suggest a better use of their Saturday and Sunday would be to get them into a sleeping pattern that will have them performing at their optimum level for the senior game.

22 Jan 2018 13:56:50
hjikle if there not playing on the saturday i see no harm in them being awake at that time, also that's not strictly true as a lot of body builders prefer to wake up at 4 and train at 5 in the morning. so id suggest go bed earlier so that you get your 8 hours.

22 Jan 2018 14:12:20
great post mate.

22 Jan 2018 15:35:37
Top post!

22 Jan 2018 16:10:05
Scarry - did you actually read my post or did you just scan? If you're daily pattern is waking at 8am, you're not going to be at your peak at 7.45pm. It is difficult and inadvisable to try and alter your sleeping pattern in one night - it's much easier and better for you to do it over a few days. So if you want to be at your peak at 7.45pm on Monday night, being awake at 6am and standing out in the cold at 8am is not a smart thing to do. If those body builders you mentioned were to decide to switch their main workouts to later in the day, they wouldn't just keep waking up at 4 or 5am because then they wouldn't be at their peak for their exercise time.

There is no universe where making athletes get up early in the morning in the run up to a late evening game in order to try and force some nostalgic experience is a good idea. If they aren't fully motivated to do their job in the first place they shouldn't be anywhere near the team and if they are going to be interacting with the youth squad, they should be doing it at a time when their knowledge and experience might be of some use to the youth players rather than just standing around watching them.

22 Jan 2018 16:28:23
hjikle did you even read my post, i said they should A - watch grassroots to remind them of how much they loved the game and not expect everything to be handed to them on a plate, i litterally don't care if they at optimal performance just watching a game and B - i mentioned they watch on a day they are NOT playing themselfes, maybe before making a point you should read what i put. i explained to do this on a day they are not needed to perform nor are they there to help the kids, they are there as a kick up the a*** to remind them how fortunate they are and to give 110% every time they play/ train.

22 Jan 2018 08:44:43
Lemar.

This one's for ed001.

We had a discussion last week about lemar and I promised I would watch him again.

I thought he had a poor game last week and you felt I was making a knee jerk reaction and rightly so.

As promised I watched him again this weekend.

And once again I have failed to be impressed.

Now don't get me wrong he played decent/ ok.

But for a player who is valued at 90m I saw nothing in his performance to suggest the fees talked about representing any kind of value.

Just my opinion. I by far prefer chamberlain and trust klopp when he says we need to developer the players at the club first. Also with the time and patience I think Woodburn should be given a chance before spending 90m on lemar. That is just my opinion and everyone will have theirs.

Now by all accounts lemar has not had a particularly good season. A lot of people are saying that the them was torn apart etc etc. But surely if you are the star attraction in the team you need to be stepping up.


I will watch him again but I am certain I will not be seeing a £90m performance from him.

I also. watched roma and loved a
How allyson was so vocal with his back 4.

Onto the third game.

{Ed001's Note - ok.}

22 Jan 2018 08:54:18
He's a £40mil player in my opinion but you can't fault Monaco for trying to get all they can.

22 Jan 2018 09:00:43
I agree with you here Ravi but I feel Lamar can add that quality to our team. He is a potential world class player in the making. But time well tell and chamberlain is coming along good let’s hope he builds on this and makes a re start of his player career.

Also I feel Karius needs to be given a lot more then 6 Mo the we gave Simon 4 years and he is still not good so give this one at least one year.

22 Jan 2018 09:03:21
I agree, rubbish.

22 Jan 2018 09:45:27
I really like Ox but I think he can do with improving his ball striking, it’s one of the notable things Coutinho brought to the side vs someone like Ox or Lallana in the attacking midfield role, and Lemar would certainly add something there even if I agree maybe not a 90m player.

Hopefully Keita will also help there, as Gini/ Milner have similar problems scoring from distance, which is why I’ve always preferred Hendo in that position when fit.

22 Jan 2018 09:56:00
Everyone said the same when we signed Salah and Chamberlain. How wrong we were as fans at least on Salah.

I've watched french league for 3 years and Lemar would improve our squad and first 11. Is he worth 90mill? No. But was Coutinho worth 142mill? No. But both players would improve our first 11.

Don't know why we are worried tho. Lemar will prob be off to Arsenal or Barca.

22 Jan 2018 10:48:44
He’s not really tested playing in France IMO,

22 Jan 2018 11:04:04
Never mind lemar forget him, this fekir guy is who we should b after.

22 Jan 2018 11:49:20
Maybe Last season he played better because Monaco was fighting for the title had a better a team and this season they sold Bakayoko, Mbappe, Bernardo Silva and Germain. They were key players its like we hope Firmino to play next season like this one if we sell Mane and Salah.

22 Jan 2018 12:10:31
Amazing that when he looked nailed on to sign he was the perfect replacement for Coutinho and everyone was demanding FSG pay whatever it takes.

Now there is one unsubstantiated rumour that he wants to go to Barcelona, he's a terrible player 😂

Nobody here has a clue what Monaco asked for. It does seem that whatever it is, Liverpool won't pay it (at least not this month), but at the end of the day he is worth whatever Monaco decide he is worth to them. If nobody wants to compensate them for how much that is, then they will not sell.

Of all the player we've looked at, he is the best. For that reason alone, i hope we can sign him.

22 Jan 2018 12:14:46
for the record, 2 games watching him is still knee jerk, and a match by match update of your opinion isn't all too useful until you've seen him play for months consistently.

you also need to bear in mind you're watching a player who isn't playing at full capacity in a team that is struggling after selling most of it's best players over the last 12 months - mbappe, bernardo silva, bakayoko, mendy.

if you had never seen alexis sanchez before and decided to start watching him recently, you'd wonder what on earth utd are thinking paying him 350k a week.

22 Jan 2018 13:42:17
Can’t remember who said it - Shanks or Paisley - but he said ‘if you need to watch a player twice to see how good he is, then he’s not good enough’.

{Ed002's Note - That is a particularly stupid thing to say.}

22 Jan 2018 13:44:19
completely agree Ravi. I have tried to say this about Lemar but all you get is thumbs down. I honestly don't believe people have watched him play. They see the 90mil price tag and assume he must be world class. I would rather have Ox in midfield and Martins is far better further forward.

22 Jan 2018 06:32:41
Am I the only one nervous about the Swansea game tonight? Remembering Bournemouth Sunderland and Hull from same time last season.

22 Jan 2018 07:18:46
Key word there LAST SEASON, hope the players don’t have the same attitude as most of our fans as klopp said from the start we need to belive again.

22 Jan 2018 07:18:54
i have a good feeling about tonight, an early goal and we win 3/ 4-0.

22 Jan 2018 07:40:41
We’ll smash them. 4-0.

22 Jan 2018 08:42:50
Once one goal goes in then there's no looking back. All they can do is sit deep and defend in numbers. An early goal like last time against them and this should be a comfortable win.

22 Jan 2018 08:45:18
The way we are playing and the run we are on? I would be disappointed if we didn't win.

22 Jan 2018 09:07:49
PakRed. I am nervous also mate. Its one of them horrible games were they are fighting for there lifes and sooner than later they wikl start to win games. They have been better in there last 4 or 5 games. We need to be on it tonight and will be a very tight game imo.

22 Jan 2018 09:11:49
3 pts and no injuries it's all I want!

22 Jan 2018 09:38:23
It doesn't matter who we play, nerves kick in. We are in the strongest league in the world, just because Swansea are bottom of the league doesn't mean they can't get a result tonight.

22 Jan 2018 10:36:44
I got a feeling we will get a draw. The players will try but we won't be strong enough to break them down. I think this is a 0-0.

22 Jan 2018 10:51:08
New manager is always tricky. We don’t know how he prefers to set his team up, players always get a bit of a bounce under a new manager, subs have something to prove to a new manager.

This won’t be an easy game for the reds but if we score a first half goal then we will be comfortable. 3-0 to reds.

22 Jan 2018 11:50:47
The difference will be Van Dijk.

22 Jan 2018 12:21:25
Another 7-0 for the boys.

22 Jan 2018 12:47:41
boys respect your opponent and its good to be nervous in this way we would not be overconfident with our self.

22 Jan 2018 16:20:19
It's defiantly a potential banana skin! Not really bothered about the performance, 3 points and on to the next.

22 Jan 2018 05:35:30
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 22nd January 2018

22 Jan 2018 09:41:53
Stevie wonder could have seen that Rooney and Gylfi can’t play in the same team. Can’t believe it took big Sam 11 games to figure that out.

22 Jan 2018 10:07:33
If that's not dedication/ passion I don't know what is, Edwards still playing despite knowing he has cancer. Some of the 'top' stars should take a leaf out of his book. ' I stubbed my toe, sorry going to be out for this game'.

Good read Ed1.

{Ed001's Note - thank you, though he is no longer allowed to play as he had an op.}

22 Jan 2018 10:14:04
Let's hope the lad pulls through it, poor bugger at that age? life is cruel at times.

22 Jan 2018 11:20:12
Did ed25 dislike my post? Lol.

{Ed025's Note - i did swish and we have been saying the same all along, stevie wonder would fit in well with our back four as well mate..