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07 Aug 2017 13:06:31
Hi eds

I seem to remember a few months back a couple of other CBS were mentioned as us keeping a watching brief (I think it was Ed1 so apologies if I'm mistaken)

They were nastasic and dragovic - do you have any info why decided against pursuing?

87red

{Ed001's Note - no sorry.}


 

 

05 Jun 2017 18:17:46
Anyone claiming they don't want Salah because of Afcon are using that as an excuse because they're not really excited about him signing.

I guarantee you nobody would be putting this argument forward if we signed aubameyang.

87red

1.) 05 Jun 2017 18:37:02
The AFCON is years away and we have time to work on that eventuality. Fact is we will have two VERY rapid skilful goal scoring wingers!


2.) 05 Jun 2017 18:44:21
Nah, the same boo boys would use that argument against any African player. Most of us know it's a weak argument though.


3.) 05 Jun 2017 18:34:24
Or reuse who spends around same time on pitch as Sturbridge. though I Linda like him too.


4.) 05 Jun 2017 19:07:22
Going into january with potential semi finals (carling cup), fa cup and premierleague. Without argubably two of your better players is a worry.

But its a ling way off.


5.) 05 Jun 2017 19:41:56
Plenty more of time to prepare for it.


6.) 05 Jun 2017 19:44:44
Afcon won't be for another year and a half a lot of the youngsters (Ojo, Wilson, woodburn, ) will be hopefully first team ready by then, plus another two transfer windows on top of that. No need to panic just yet.


 

 

26 Nov 2014 18:34:48
Ed001,

I know you say you doubt klopp would take on the job but do you know if is at least a consideration or if we looked at him the last time round

Cheers!

87red

{Ed001's Note - he will always be under consideration mate, it comes down to if he has any interest in the role, which seems unlikely considering how beloved he is in Dortmund.}


 

 

 

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28 Sep 2017 07:30:48
Imagine Harry chipping in when we get the DM part of our intergerlactic world class squad 😂.

87red

1.) 28 Sep 2017 07:52:42
Imagine rest of others who claims “. We don’t play with a DM “lol! I would count how many would include hendeson in any of the list!


2.) 28 Sep 2017 08:12:39
Dear god.


3.) 28 Sep 2017 08:28:47
Lol I will also check how many would include Klopp in their list!


4.) 28 Sep 2017 08:39:40
Harry did you really have to try and make it about Henderson again?

It's getting pathetic mate. And that's me putting it kindly. Nobody is going to nominate a box to box midfielder filling in / trying to adapt at DM to play there in the best 25 man squad on earth. So why even bring him up; just to take a cheap shot? Matic, Casemeiro, Bender, N'Zonzi, Motta, Medel, Fabinho, Busquets, Wanyama and Demme are the level of holding midfielders we will be discussing. Hendo is a great player, and maybe even one of the better midfielders in the Premier League, but he is not a world class DM and won't get anywhere near this discussion.


5.) 28 Sep 2017 09:09:49
Keep aside DM, I will see how many would include him in the CM list! You claimed by end of this season he would be inside top 5 holding midfielders.


6.) 28 Sep 2017 10:13:29
You two should be on the debate. Or just get the gloves on for charity lol.


7.) 28 Sep 2017 10:14:32
In the Premier League mate. I said he has the potential to be one of the best in the Prem once he learns the role, once we have a more balanced midfield, and that in my opinion he would be by the end of the season. I never stated it as fact. It was my opinion/ prediction.

He nearly already is if we're limiting it to just the Premier league. Matic, Wanyama, Dier, Romeu, Fernandinho and Herrera are probably the only ones who i would have instead of him. Kante, Gueye and Can are all decent in that role, but rarely get shackled into it.

I really don't know what your problem is with Henderson mate. He is a decent DM progressively getting better at it, and a great box to box midfielder who has proven he can play in title challenging teams in that role. I'm not nor have i ever claimed he is one of the best in the world though. Nobody is. He just doesn't deserve to constantly be made into a scapegoat just because of bitter comments made by ex-managers who tried and failed to sign him, or the clueless failed managers who sit in the punditry studios.

If/ when we sign a proper DM, i still expect Henderson to start most games if he fully recovers from his heel injury or at least gets to a stage he can manage it. He is the captain, and our best centre midfielder for now who would in my opinion get into any other midfield in the Premier league except Man United, Man City or Tottenham. Although a couple of them are debateable considering Man United and Tottenham have tried to sign him in the past.

Of course, you know better than Dalglish, Rodgers, Klopp, Hodgson and Southgate who all pick/ picked him whenever he was fit. Or Alex Ferguson and Pochettino who both wanted to sign him 🙄 sure though, let's listen to Neville, Shearer and Le Tissier after their glittering careers in coaching and management.

Hendo is just the new Lucas. Supporters nowadays need someone to blame. He will always be picked by any managers who come and go because professionals paid to know what they are talking about rate him highly, but he will never be rated because the media and large proportions of the fans have made up their minds and refuse to credit him for anything good he does, and instead choose to discredit him for everything bad he does.

I can accept it if you simply don't rate him. I just don't want to read about it on every single, sometimes completely unrelated, thread! If you are expecting Liverpool to have a team of 11 world class players, you need to lower your expectations. No team in history has had that, and teams like Real Madrid who have tried it found out that actually, you need some less talented players like Pepe, Casemeiro and Benzema who will fight for it on off days. In fact what you then find is that players who many thought weren't good enough, when surrounded by more talented players, bring out the best in one another to the point where the less talented players actually become part of a world class team.

Henderson is not going to be the star. He is always going to be a team player. That is just the way it is mate. Maybe if you back him, he can be part of a successful team.


8.) 28 Sep 2017 10:47:32
I'll fight Harry in a boxing match for charity!

I haven't boxed since i had a bone graft on my right hand though. I reckon my finger would shatter 😂 they took nearly an entire section on bone out to remove a tumour and then filled it in with bone from my wrist. If I'm going to bust my hand though, I'd love it to be on Harrys chin, defending Henderson. I mean, err, for charity 👀.


9.) 28 Sep 2017 10:50:43
Writing a 10 para post wouldn’t change facts into reality! He is an average English midfielder who after 7 years still
doesn’t know how to play in the midfield! He is so limited with the ball and posses absolutely no attribute to play deep! He will be phased out once Kieta and a world clas
Holding mid joins us next summer!
He will have the support of every liverpool supporter out there! And this is my opinion on the player!
Lowering my expectations lol! Or more like living mediocrity? From Sahin / Bender / Gundagaon to Henderson! No wonder why Klopp is struggling!

Some clubs tried to sign him in the past lol! Man city tried to sign Skrtel in the past and there would a couple
Of clubs interested in Mignolet as well!


10.) 28 Sep 2017 10:59:46
You seem to be getting some stick lately MK but fair play, you've made your point intelligently and intelligibly as usual. Always a reasoned opinion. I know it's difficult to do that concerning LFC!


11.) 28 Sep 2017 11:53:04
Thank you CanIbeTheKing. I love the stick deep down mate, but it's always nice to know where my single thumbs up is coming from 😂.


12.) 28 Sep 2017 14:50:21
I honestly don't know how people can miss what he does, whether people think he is a "world class" footballer or not, the stick is just embarrassing. As a daily reader of this site for the past decade i would just like to add there are hopefully many more fans out there that quietly appreciate the efforts of quality such as henderson and continue to enjoy this site in the background. That said, Keep up the good debates guys. even those robbie savage impersonators, wouldn't be the same without you.


13.) 28 Sep 2017 16:44:54
In the interest of balance, i'll downvote you this time!
Keep up the good work mate.


14.) 28 Sep 2017 21:51:25
City who signed Otamendi, Demichelis, Stones, Mangala and Nastasic? Anyway Skrtel won our player of the year award when they tried to sign him. He looked very good in a deep defence alongside Carragher or Agger.

You have just cherry picked the best midfielders Klopp had at Dortmund anyway. Kehl, Kagawa, Großkreutz, Zidan, KP Boateng and many more midfielders who were just good players and far from world class also played under Klopp. You forget these things though mate because they don't suit your argument. Sahin wasn't all that either by the way. He had one good season and has never rebuilt his career since. He couldn't even look good in Real Madrid's midfield.


 

 

21 Aug 2017 07:12:49
Don't look now MK but Hoedt is off to Southampton! You called it and at 17mil too.

Our transfer target next summer?!

87red

1.) 21 Aug 2017 07:23:11
Boring 😴😴😴.


2.) 21 Aug 2017 07:25:35
We usually give them a few seasons to settle nice at home before disrupting their lives haha.


3.) 21 Aug 2017 08:03:16
Saints must've read my article suggesting him as a VVD alternative 😉 haha.


4.) 21 Aug 2017 08:52:01
What a beauty MK!


5.) 21 Aug 2017 09:01:08
I can't see that he is anything near a like for like, Hoedt is quite poor in the air and not particularly physically strong, whereas van Dijk is a physically dominant player and one of the best headers of a ball in the premier league? The only thing they have in common is that they're dutch and can pass the ball quite well.


6.) 21 Aug 2017 10:32:29
Dennis, if you read my article I basically said exactly the same thing as you mate.


 

 

21 Aug 2017 07:11:56
Eds (or reds)

In the light of our apparent enquirer into Seri, can anyone offer an informed opinion on him as never seen him play (or heard of him until this window) .

Is he a bit of a late bloomer?

87red

{Ed001's Note - never seen him play.}


 

 

09 Aug 2017 12:31:52
i keep seeing people saying how we barely scraped 4th last year but for me it's a false perception.

if you take it at face value, we made it by a point or so, which would appear "scraping through"

the reality is that our points total last year would have in seasons gone by been easily enough to secure top 4 without any "scraping through".

the league is now in a place where 6 teams can geniunely win the title year in year out so the gap between 4th to 6th will always be a lot shorter.

this in my opinion created a false impression.

the afcon and injuries to key players without suitable back ups is what nailed us last season.

with better squad depth (i. e. having mane AND salah means we should pretty much always have that devastating pace that opens up teams) .

hopefully hendo will be much less plagued by injury. people also underestimate the value of having a team not too dissimilar from last year who are another year experienced and better used to playing with one another - spurs being a key example of this.

87red

1.) 09 Aug 2017 12:44:17
Great post mate!


2.) 09 Aug 2017 12:44:46
We did barely scrape through, it came down to the last game of the season, the reason being the mid season collapse. I still don't think we are well equipped for the season ahead. Failing to prepare means that you should prepare to fail.


3.) 09 Aug 2017 12:49:37
thank you for completely ignoring the core point of my post around perception vs reality.

if we won the title on 91 points on the last day of the season and 2nd finished on 90 points - would that be just scraping it? or would it be 2 teams who took it down to the wire with equal ability on the pitch?


4.) 09 Aug 2017 13:02:53
Your original post was really good.

However your second was like throwing a ball against a wall, if any friends fans are around in Joey's words "it was a moo point"


5.) 09 Aug 2017 13:03:52
I think my point is that it seemed like we made it to fourth in "limp home mode" and really were relying on Arsenal slipping up for most of it, so really I think it was both ours and Arsenals equal ability at contriving to be awful at times that made it what it was. Obviously, had we won the league by one point over United, I wouldn't at all be saying that we scraped home, but that it was a glorious victory. As you say, its a matter of perception!


6.) 09 Aug 2017 13:10:20
Do you have to see the negative in everything Frankly? If you get 4th spot by a point or ten points you still get 4th spot.


7.) 09 Aug 2017 13:24:35
Frankly, the fact that we finished 2 points behind City last season saw us in "limp home mode"?

I guess that can be compared to City having ordered wheelchairs for their players and using them on the pitch knowing that we were depending on Arsenal to mess up.

What exactly is wrong with you?


8.) 09 Aug 2017 13:31:29
Glass is always half empty Welsh. But that is because I am a realist.


9.) 09 Aug 2017 14:00:50
87 your bang on. A horse winning a race by a hand wins the race, end of.


10.) 09 Aug 2017 14:01:15
No, you're very much a pessimist.


11.) 09 Aug 2017 14:12:59
Reads more like 90% empty to most of us. But it's fine. I just look at the 10%.


12.) 09 Aug 2017 14:50:18
If you think we barely scraped 4th then you are deluding yourself. We were never even nailed on to finish 5th at the start of the season and in fact, the pundits had us battling Neverton for 6th so we did not finish 4th by scraping it. We were better than Arsenal and Everton (did the double over them) and way better than Utd while finishing 3 points off City who spent double what we spent. We deserved 4th and that is that.


13.) 09 Aug 2017 15:29:30
Max

That is why City are Strengthening. By last year's logic why would Chelsea buy any player? They walked away with the league. Didn't they?
Coutinho alone wouldn't get us the league but good enough for a CL spot which wouldn't enough again for elite players!


 

 

07 Aug 2017 09:01:49
One thing I think is interesting from pre-season. Klopp didn't give people 90 mins at any point? In pretty much every game it was a full 11 change at half time.

Ed1 be interested to get your view point on whether this could be detrimental? I don't know but just thought it seemed unusual?

87red

{Ed001's Note - it is odd but he was pushing them extremely hard in training, so they might not have made it through 90min anyway. It doesn't really matter too much, so long as they are fit enough when it starts properly and I am sure they have monitored it enough to ensure they are.

After all, you don't train for marathons by running marathons every week in the run up to one.}


1.) 07 Aug 2017 09:17:37
Good point ed, thanks for the input!

Have you caught many of the games? I think we've looked really bright and played some good teams along the way.

{Ed001's Note - no mate, not interested in friendlies, they give a false idea.}


2.) 07 Aug 2017 09:45:24
That may be true about friendlies, Ed but you have to say that our young boys look very promising, right?

{Ed001's Note - they always look promising, that is why they are in the academy. The difficult part is getting them to achieve their promise.}


 

 

 

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10 Aug 2017 16:59:59
Based on what josh? All that Brazilian league football you've watched? 🙄.

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09 Aug 2017 19:36:30
What? No comment from frankly?!

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09 Aug 2017 07:28:48
Can we stop with this 30 nonsense please!

Vidal is absolutely quality and could still be for another 3-4 years.

Xabi alonso was class up until he chose to retire at 34/ 35
Ibrahimovic still did well in toughest league at 33
Would you turn down Ronaldo, messi? Suarez (forgetting his antics for a moment)?

Robben? Ribery? Modric?

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25 Jul 2017 07:20:55
Max Meyer 100% has the talent to equal couts. My issue is that he is about 4 years away from getting there so would weaken us considerably in the short term.

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11 Jul 2017 16:21:20
Either Salah or Mane will be playing there.

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06 Sep 2017 14:01:26
Harry, you were saying the same of Salah when we signed him that he wasn't a technical player and was all about pace.

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05 Sep 2017 19:36:58
How about Pep Ljinders? I know he was highly thought of at one point?

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27 Aug 2017 18:55:37
Arsenal have been poor CJ. Their midfield can't be arsed. I'm a bag of nerves right now as we're not the best at protecting leads!

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27 Aug 2017 18:16:29
He's just had a kid mate so not playing because of that.

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26 Aug 2017 15:18:17
I think depends on the players situation.

Barkley as an example is in the last 12 months of his contract (I think Spurs would like him? ) . Everton want 40/ 50mil which Levy won't pay. Come deadline day, do Everton open negotiations around a much reasonable price or lose him for free next summer?

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