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26 Nov 2014 18:34:48

I know you say you doubt klopp would take on the job but do you know if is at least a consideration or if we looked at him the last time round



{Ed001's Note - he will always be under consideration mate, it comes down to if he has any interest in the role, which seems unlikely considering how beloved he is in Dortmund.}




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12 Jan 2017 12:25:20
love all of the hindsighters on here slating the lack of using wilson ojo etc last night. they're exactly the same people who would be kicking off had klopp picked them and we lost, saying "it was too big a game to play the kids".


1.) 12 Jan 2017 12:42:42
Your telling me that Ojos pace and Wilson, whos having a great under 23 season would not of made a difference. Saints dealt with everything we tried todo. We had no one running at the back four

2.) 12 Jan 2017 13:29:09
And if Ojo and Wilson had played poorly, you'd be saying it was too big a game for them and asking why we'd not played the first team.
No winning with some.

3.) 12 Jan 2017 14:02:41
Dorset, you mean like it did vs Plymouth where many on here were slating Klopp for not putting on a stronger team? That`s the thing with hindsighters (geniuses after the fact), they are never wrong.

4.) 12 Jan 2017 14:18:30
You can't predict the future nor the outcome but you can certainly plan for the future and based on your experience. Your predictions come a lot closer.

5.) 12 Jan 2017 15:00:29
Too many young lads and changes made against Plymouth.

Their players were up for it as it is rarely they will play at a stadium like anfield.

it was probably the biggest game of their careers.

Klopp will learn from this as will all the young lads used the other night.

We are blessed with talent in depth but is that the same as strength in depth?



28 Dec 2016 18:44:14
We don't need to replace him in either cdm or cb. In midfield we have Stewart, can, grujic and even chirivella in the youth team. Plus when was the last time he played in midfield for us?




24 Nov 2016 08:45:15
Some alarmingly naive and cocky views further down the page reds.

I'm seeing too much talk of how our fans really fancy us for the title and why should we be concerned with Chelsea. When city had their dip, I saw people saying pep had been found out already.

I am loving our football and am shocked at how well we're doing so early on. But 12 games does not bring home a title and the last time I checked the top 5 were seperated by 4 points. It's on a knife edge at the moment and couple of poor results could make our position not look so great.

Ron - I'm not a doubter in the slightest, I'm going for cautious optimism!

I just think it's a bit rich that a forum full of fans spitting out dummies due to our "failure to address glaring weaknesses" in the summer are now so cock sure we're champions - I know not everyone but easily 80%.


1.) 24 Nov 2016 10:01:20
Tried to express similar cautious optimism and was slagged for having little faith.

2.) 24 Nov 2016 10:51:47
I must admit I agree with your post mostly but I do like to think we'll win it as does everybody else. Reality is we just don't know how it'll pan out but going on the first 12 I think if we carry on the same throughout the season the title is ours. That's not been cocky though it's having an opinion, if we don't, we don't. I'd be happy with top 4. Things can change so quickly I know but i see mr jurgen and co lifting that trophy.

3.) 24 Nov 2016 11:29:10
The run of games until City are all winnable unless we don't find any more new excuses. By new year we would be sitting top of the tree by some margins.

4.) 24 Nov 2016 13:49:45
Every game is winnable. Everyone is in great spirits until the next loss or even a draw. Then the knives are sharpened and whoever makes a balls of things on the pitch gets it on here. Are all banter pages the same or as bad as here Ed? We are having a great season guys. Let's enjoy it. I'd have given anything for a top four finish at the start of the season. Anything else is a bonus.

{Ed002's Note - The banter pages vary - partly due to the fans of certain clubs not really getting the hang of it.}

5.) 24 Nov 2016 14:06:18
I looked at the man city page a while back and there didn't look like you had much footfall there ed. if you don't mind me asking which teams have the busiest pages?

{Ed002's Note - The Liverpool pages are the busiest.}

6.) 24 Nov 2016 14:40:57
I agree Harry but no game is easy, I do think we SHOULD win them games but we'll see, that'd be ideal but it's not always like that. If we do we're really going for it and I think we'll win all of them, point is in this leaguleague any team can upset, it happens we move on. I still believe we can do it though.

7.) 24 Nov 2016 12:19:14
If we keep playing like we are we're on for about 86 points, this may get us the title, it may not. In the last 10 seasons 6 times it wasn't enough, 2 it was and in 2 it would have come down to goal difference.

This is a great year to be a Liverpool fan but we're not favorites yet.

8.) 24 Nov 2016 16:45:38
Long way to go yet but I still have the same view I had when we started - decent chance for top 4 and an outside chance for the title. let's just take it game by game and enjoy it! I personally think Man U has real issues, Chelsea is looking solid, Man City and Arsenal good but certainly not infallible. Going to be tight.

9.) 24 Nov 2016 17:04:13
What's the point in being a fan if you're pessimistic about your team's chances?

Doubtless some Foxes were told they were "naive and cocky" last season.

10.) 24 Nov 2016 17:42:12

I'm not being pessimistic in the slightest. I'm all for optimism and in fact these pages could do with a lot more of it when the chips are down.

There's also a huge difference between being optimistic of our chances vs thinking we've got the league sewn up and people stating Chelsea are nothing to worry about. I just don't think people should get too carried away yet.

11.) 24 Nov 2016 18:06:18
You don't consistently win if you don't expect to consistently win. Mindset is the first hurdle - if we create an atmosphere where it feels like we are waiting for dissapointment, it will come.

12.) 24 Nov 2016 18:50:40
Spot on hjikle.
Klopp wants us to believers not "cautiously optimistic".
I believe we're going to win it. If that comes across as arrogant and naive then I've spent most of my 'football life' celebrating titles with other arrogant naive fans.
Istanbul showed how the belief and mindset of the Reds who drowned out the Milan fans can affect performance and results.

13.) 24 Nov 2016 20:17:37
Yes we look at it with red tinted glasses of course we do but looking at the facts I really think we'll do it. We've had on paper, by far the most difficult start of any of the other top teams. We are playing the best football in the league and scoring bags of goals. Plus we have lots of options on the bench if some players lose form which I don't see with the others. We have all of the top teams to come to Anfield and is back us against anyone at home these days. I might be biased but looking at it why wouldn't we win the league?

14.) 24 Nov 2016 20:34:45
I'm trying not to be over optimistic or too negative. I'm going for the game by game approach Klopp favours. I've had many years of disappointment through optimism. Even my nerves and heart are healthier thanks to Klopp's approach. I am optimistic about our chances but keeping my feet firmly on the ground. Title would be great but top four would be fantastic to.

15.) 25 Nov 2016 01:54:04
Take it one game at a time and we'll see what happens. Even in 13/ 14, I didn't believe we're would win the league until we went into the last game of the season knowing that if we win, we are champions. Unfortunately, that did not happen hence, I wasn't too disappointed even tho, I really was because it still hurts. That is my standard for this season as well. However, CL football is the priority for now and that needs to be secured first before anything else. After that is done and there's a chance at their title then we go for it.

16.) 25 Nov 2016 02:12:32
I started believing before the chelsea disaster under rodgers after telling everyone to calm down before then and that went pear shaped. I would rather not be up there as title favs as i think liverpool have not handled that well in nearly 2 decades. Klopp was over a team of underdogs against bayern and motivation was easier but in england if you become fav for title you start believing hype and it affects teams. I take it every game. Sunderland next we gave away a two goal lead last time so i hope by 5 o clock sat ill be looking forward to my match replay this time. ynwa.

17.) 25 Nov 2016 15:37:34
Spot on, Mattsman.

18.) 25 Nov 2016 17:51:58
We will win it. It will be tight but we will win it. Win it we will. Come on you reds.



02 Nov 2016 13:39:29
i realise that this is going to get a lot of disagrees. one thing I'd like to point out is i'm not for one second down on ings (i'm gutted for the guy, geniunely) .

i'm just a bit taken back by the support he's receiving considering the abuse that sturridge receives whenever he gets an injury.

and don't give me anything about how hard ings work on the pitch, he does undoubtably, but do studge's goals count for nothing? he has been constantly trashed on here and regarded as a luxury etc.

to wrap up, i'm not opposing the ings support, i think it's great - i'm just saying that studge deserves exactly the same treatment!


1.) 02 Nov 2016 14:01:23
Good point 87 and with 2 serious knee injuries you have to wonder if he'll ever come back the same. I'm sure he had a couple of lengthy lay offs at burnley as well ( not sure what for though) . That's a lots of time with no football for a reasonably young player. Let's hope studge and origi can stay fit for the rest of the season. If they don't and another striker comes in it would see ings fall further down the pecking order down the track and likely a move away.

2.) 02 Nov 2016 14:01:28
Completely agree, I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned before.

3.) 02 Nov 2016 14:02:16
i agree. both deserve our support.

4.) 02 Nov 2016 14:09:28
Every Liverpool deserve the same support ynwa.

5.) 02 Nov 2016 14:11:28
Got a feeling Klopp will bring another Striker in, in January now.

6.) 02 Nov 2016 14:16:45
But I think attitude is important in this comparison.
Even Klopp said not long after joining us that knocks other players play with keep Studge out, he won't play with a niggle, meaning a lot of the games Sturridge has missed has been down to himself,
Whereas I think Ings would probably still try and play unless his leg was hanging off.

I love Sturridge, but I think he could probably help himself a bit more.

7.) 02 Nov 2016 14:31:05
Absolutely Welsh couldn't agree more mate.

8.) 02 Nov 2016 16:08:01
With Ings injury. Perhaps Woodburn will be promoted to senior squad.

9.) 02 Nov 2016 17:54:26
Good point 87 red.

10.) 02 Nov 2016 21:51:22
The thing about Inges is that he seems 100% suited to Klopps style of play.
Hard work, hard pressing at a hard pace.

Sturridge is top striker but does not excel at the hard pressing side if the game.

If Sturridge played with Inges effort and commitment he'd pull every muscle and tear every tendon in his body.

11.) 02 Nov 2016 21:57:14
Ojo is back training, I think he will become a very big player for us, he has everything, and a bit more .



30 Oct 2016 07:38:02
The Karius hating has got to stop. He's played 5 ****ing games! It will probably take him 1 year to adjust and possibly another until we see his true potential. De gea was far worse at the beginning but people forget about that because of how good he is now.

I don't understand how Karius is taking the flack for their first goal either. Lovren completely shafted him.


1.) 30 Oct 2016 07:43:04
We need to stop comparing everyone with DDG. Some might turn out to be Morientes as well. UTD paid close to £23 mill for DDG because the lad was first class. There was no doubt on his quality.

2.) 30 Oct 2016 08:54:17
I have to agree with Harry here, of course let's all give our opinions on Karius but this constant rubbish comparing him to De Gea is bordering on the comical. How he has, is and will perform has nothing in the world to do with DevGea or any other keeper. He is his own man and his destiny is in his own hands (and feet lol) . Please give up on the DDG comparisons it makes for very poor reading, just because the Ed said it once doesn't mean everyone else needs to repeat it everytime they see the word Karius.
Stick to stating the facts like Ed did in His very comprehensive match review above.

3.) 30 Oct 2016 09:22:28
Don't see that Karius could have stopped either goal, both were a result of brain farts by the defence. Give the lad a chance.

4.) 30 Oct 2016 10:12:11
Couldn't agree more 87.

5.) 30 Oct 2016 10:14:16
Il tell you what, give me a year playing for a perm side on stupid amounts of money and don't say a word about me until after a year, that's a stupid thing to say . He's not good enough.

6.) 30 Oct 2016 10:15:51
Has anyone even commented on his great save at the near post from Benteke?

7.) 30 Oct 2016 10:53:12

Yes that was a great save but He don't look convincing to me. Not sure if it's the new league blah blah is the excuse. He was the same old keeper back in Germany as well.
He is without a doubt better than Migs but then Migs was championship quality.

8.) 30 Oct 2016 13:14:31
I'm not for one second comparing his potential to DDG. I'm simply saying it can take time for a young goalkeeper to settle into the BPL. I only think it's fair that he's given much longer than 5 games before judging. How is that not reasonable?

9.) 30 Oct 2016 13:16:30
Connectlogic, there is no logic to your thinking hence, your post make no sense. If every club followed your thinking, we would need a transfer window every month because to u, a new player, in a new club, new country etc., needs only a month or five games to adjust and if not, they should be canned. Were u saying tge same thing after five games when Migs was in goal?




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16 Jan 2017 18:02:43
Hi Harry,

It would depend on how Newcastle planned to use him. If he isn't going to start the majority of games then it's a wasted loan mate. Not sure who their wingers are but think one is Matt Ritchie who he wouldn't start over I think.

Just throwing a different perspective on things!




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16 Jan 2017 18:02:43
Hi Harry,

It would depend on how Newcastle planned to use him. If he isn't going to start the majority of games then it's a wasted loan mate. Not sure who their wingers are but think one is Matt Ritchie who he wouldn't start over I think.

Just throwing a different perspective on things!




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04 Dec 2016 07:43:07
Dreaming much?




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28 Oct 2016 12:22:00
i know coric is your latest love affair harry but it's you who is being naive.

i'll tell you what, youri tielemens is another huge talent at cm, let's sign him too. then we can send grujic/ can/ stewart/ chirivella packing (choose any 2 from that list) .

we can't sign every huge talent harry, especially not in a position we are well stocked in.




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27 Oct 2016 18:01:22
I think we're finally in a place where buys like Corsica aren't needed. We need to offload some fringe players still (sakho et al) and only buy players who are a significant upgrade on first 11. We have grujic as our promising young cm, along with can and stewart, chirivella in a season or two.





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06 Jan 2017 07:38:12

Can you give it a rest with the emre bashing please? This must be the 20th post I've seen you slate him in the last few weeks. We get it, you don't rate him so stop labouring the point. He is much more talented than you give him credit for, he's 22/ 23 which is still very young.

Don't dare try and make out like what you're doing is ok, he's an lfc player who hasn't done anything anywhere near enough to deserve the abuse you're putting his way




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06 Jan 2017 07:32:47

I think there are a few more factors to consider. Bobby got injured and has struggled to get back to the great form he was showing at the start. Add to that the couts idea that Ed1 suggested and the whole team not being as effective as before, it paints a broader picture than you suggest.


{Ed001's Note - they create chances, even when they aren't scoring, but Harry only sees that they work hard. I don't get it. It doesn't matter who scores the goals.}



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05 Jan 2017 07:33:55
Not being funny guys but Milner got so much abuse on here until he moved to lb and has done well. It's a bit rich to now say what a fantastic servant to the club he has been.




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04 Jan 2017 12:17:10
welcome mumbles,

i don't think I've seen you on here this season until now?

a slightly different spin on your wind up. if you lose against us you'll be 8 points behind despite winning 6 games on the bounce.

you should of held your tongue until the game because if you lose you look a right fence post.




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01 Jan 2017 20:34:26
To the disagree person. Have some stones and argue why karius shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt when applying the above lesson?