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18 Apr 2018 11:17:28
I've seen a lot of clamouring for Mathis de Ligt recently.

A huge talent by the looks of it but why are people so keen to sign him when it would / could be a blocker to Gomez? You know, the 20 year old talent defender we already have in our team?

Seriously, if we were to sign a CB, it needs to be someone on par with VVD in both experience and current ability.

I don’t see the point in buying an 18 year old when Joe Gomez is clearly a big talent himself.


1.) 18 Apr 2018 11:55:33
If someone of that talent and potential is available you sign him. Massive if but if he came klopp would likely make say matip and klavan available and we'd then have 4 1st team cbs. 2 more experienced 2 young looking to get in the team.

But also do remember lovren has had shockers and it wouldn't be a surprise if neither Matip or Lovren were in klopps plans.

2.) 18 Apr 2018 13:20:35
Lovren next to VVD looks far better though. Lovren has cut out a lot of the errors but tend to struggle against certain opposition. He’s had a tough time from us as a fan base at times but he’s got his head down and always give 100% which I think should be appreciated.

3.) 18 Apr 2018 13:20:40
I'd have to disagree. you only sign someone of huge talent if you need them and it would be of benefit to both parties.

it wouldn't be of benefit to de ligt or gomez to warming the bench and our money could be better invested elsewhere.

you don't really rotate CB's like you do other positions and in the main need a settled back 4.

4.) 18 Apr 2018 13:23:11
Matthijs de Ligt will be a top top player.

5.) 18 Apr 2018 14:01:40
De Ligt is a couple of years away at least and could be cover for Klavan but I get your point OP.

6.) 18 Apr 2018 14:02:24
Agreed Cesar. It seems like the overt show of support from fans after the Spurs away game (voting player of the month and all) has helped Lovren turn a corner. And recently he's been very good bar the ManU game.

7.) 18 Apr 2018 16:43:57
Completely agree with 87 here, we have Gomez and that's that, if we was to sign such a player we'd be practically forcing Gomez out, something none of us want to see.

It's getting to that time of the year again though, we're 'linked' with literally everybody and his mother.

8.) 18 Apr 2018 22:17:44
To be fair Salah, I hear his mother is a decent footballer with potential to replace Can.

9.) 19 Apr 2018 15:13:22
Klavan and Matip will probably be gone in the summer which leaves us with VVD, Lovren, Gomez (and De ligt if he comes)
So even playing a normal back 4 means we have 2 experienced players and 2 young players for cover.

during early cup games it would be great to have Gomez and De ligt starting with vvd and Lovren rested.

Who knows the 2 youngsters could be a long term partnership when VVD and Lovren start to lose their legs.
Lovren is 28 in a couple of months. When he hits 30, Gomez will be 23, perfect age to begin his push into a permanent starting 11 spot at CB.

VVD is nearly 26 so by the time he is 30 De Ligt will be close to 22, again a good age to start pressuring VVD for the starting 11 spot. And after 4 years he should be well and truly intergrated into the squad and comfortable playing alongside Gomez.

My thoughts anyway xD

Although as someone else said, i’d rather we got another experienced CB and use Lovren as the experienced cover. He has excelled next to VVD but we never know if it'll last as he has been shocking for so long.

10.) 20 Apr 2018 07:39:00
If we buy him as cover he won't be getting much game time wich will hinder his developmwnt.



07 Aug 2017 13:06:31
Hi eds

I seem to remember a few months back a couple of other CBS were mentioned as us keeping a watching brief (I think it was Ed1 so apologies if I'm mistaken)

They were nastasic and dragovic - do you have any info why decided against pursuing?


{Ed001's Note - no sorry.}



05 Jun 2017 18:17:46
Anyone claiming they don't want Salah because of Afcon are using that as an excuse because they're not really excited about him signing.

I guarantee you nobody would be putting this argument forward if we signed aubameyang.


1.) 05 Jun 2017 18:37:02
The AFCON is years away and we have time to work on that eventuality. Fact is we will have two VERY rapid skilful goal scoring wingers!

2.) 05 Jun 2017 18:44:21
Nah, the same boo boys would use that argument against any African player. Most of us know it's a weak argument though.

3.) 05 Jun 2017 18:34:24
Or reuse who spends around same time on pitch as Sturbridge. though I Linda like him too.

4.) 05 Jun 2017 19:07:22
Going into january with potential semi finals (carling cup), fa cup and premierleague. Without argubably two of your better players is a worry.

But its a ling way off.

5.) 05 Jun 2017 19:41:56
Plenty more of time to prepare for it.

6.) 05 Jun 2017 19:44:44
Afcon won't be for another year and a half a lot of the youngsters (Ojo, Wilson, woodburn, ) will be hopefully first team ready by then, plus another two transfer windows on top of that. No need to panic just yet.



26 Nov 2014 18:34:48

I know you say you doubt klopp would take on the job but do you know if is at least a consideration or if we looked at him the last time round



{Ed001's Note - he will always be under consideration mate, it comes down to if he has any interest in the role, which seems unlikely considering how beloved he is in Dortmund.}




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09 Nov 2018 09:02:48
I’ve seen a few posts further down questioning if Klopp should go if he fails to win something this year. Not for me in any month of Sunday’s.

There will come a point when it becomes a valid question and that for me would be should he fail to win something next season.

Ed2, I have to say I’m surprised how much you deride the fans for trashing players and in the same breath, deride our fan base for supporting Klopp and showing patience in what we’re building towards.

We were so far away from challenging the top of the league when he joined and we are assembling a great team under him but the reality is that city’s squad has an embarrassment or riches outside their starting 11 and we’re not there yet. That will take further investment and time.

I can’t think of a single manager that could come in and deliver that title above Klopp. It’s a tall order in the most competitive top league in the world.


{Ed002's Note - I don’t think the players deserved to be trashed on a weekly fickleness basis. Alexander-Arnold has a good game, he is worth £100M and the future of English football. He has an off week and the fans want that mother out of “our” club as soon as possible. Klopp is responsible and has failed to deliver year in and year out. If the fans are happy with this then there is no problem.}

1.) 09 Nov 2018 09:29:21
It's ridiculous. People has such short memories. Every manager has had the odd embarrassing loss. It is hardly the end of the world. We have qualified for the champions league only 3 times this decade. Twice under Klopp. We are in an excellent position. (Joint 2nd in the league is phenomenal) We are still in control of our champions league group. Beat PSG and we go through. Even if we lose it is still in our hands!

We should not be hounding the players. Get behind the team and support them whatever happens. We have it so good at the moment. imagine if you were supporters of struggling teams. we should all have some perspective. Poor Ed025 is an Everton fan ;)

Just remember guys. It could be so much worse.

2.) 09 Nov 2018 09:47:31
Couldn't agree more 87.

To be honest, it's not great football right now but, based on what he's done and how, I wouldn't change Klopp for any manager.

3.) 09 Nov 2018 11:06:18
Failed to deliver what, exactly, Ed002? Trophies? The league title? Sorry I just don’t see how you have come to the conclusion that he has failed. And given your implication that Liverpool could perhaps do better, who exactly would you suggest?
What more could he have done than he has already? He has improved us year-on-year, and we are a FAR better team and squad than the one he inherited. It is only a matter of time before we win something.
My only gripe with Klopp so far is his regular early exit from the domestic cups, it was also the biggest issue with Benitez as far as I am concerned.

{Ed002's Note - Klopp has failed to deliver any success at Liverpool at all to date - No League Cup, no FA Cup, no Europa League, no Premier league, no Champions League and no Frieght Rover Trophy. I am surprised that comes as a shock to you but feel free to ask about any other plain truths you are struggling with.

I appreciate that Liverpool is in transition as far as you are concerned.}

4.) 09 Nov 2018 11:21:01
No mention of transition whatsoever, your definition of ‘transition’ sounds like many people’s idea of improving the team - year-on-year, I might add.
Compared to where we were in October 2015, we are in a much better place as a team and fan base, and Klopp has got us back to being a Champions League regular again, with a real chance of winning something this season. I would say most fans would describe that as success, not failure. That is a plain truth, something you are, in fact, struggling to see.

{Ed002's Note - No, the owners, the board and the fans want the success of winning, not some vague nonsense about being better. Liverpool must be the only club in the world where fans like you like celebrating being second or losing - but are of course improving each year. It is pretty pitiful to read posts like yours.}

5.) 09 Nov 2018 11:23:52
I agree I don't possibly see how you can say Klopp has failed. We were a mess when he took over. we have improved each yr. yes we have lost 3 cup finals but wait and see where we are when he leaves. if he still hasn't won anything then we can reassess the situation. I don't see anyone saying pochettinto has failed at spurs and klopp has achieved more than him in the same length of them.

{Ed002's Note - Celebrating failure yet again I guess? The owners must be over the moon pissing all of that money away in search of success which they have not gotter.}

6.) 09 Nov 2018 11:52:09
Guys, come on, Ed002 is right. We have won nothing for 6 years.

Wigan and Swansea have won trophies more recently than us.

1 League cup in 12 years is not success. Man City won more than that last season alone!

Im sure the trophies will come again soon, but if Klopp was to leave us right now. He would not (and should not) go down as a successful Liverpool Manager.

7.) 09 Nov 2018 12:18:49
No, Lamborini, Ed002 is not right. He is completely wrong, and clearly prefers to just wind up Liverpool fans on here instead of actually watching us.
Where are Wigan and Swansea now? League 1 and The Championship, respectively? Didn’t Wigan get relegated in the same season as their FA Cup win? That ‘success’ was clearly crucial in improving those club’s fortunes.
It is not that those trophies have no value - they do - but they are not the only determiner of failure or success.

8.) 09 Nov 2018 14:54:12
Makes me laugh people judging Klopp as a Manager who has been heavily invested in. Up until January, without looking at the numbers, I would expect he wasnt far off breaking even in his time here. Yes, there has since been a conscious decision to invest in quality but Can Klopps team really be judged yet given the majority of his expensive buys have been in the last 10 months and also given that as it happens we have currently dropped six points since the start of the season and its mid November. As I recall, City spent quite heavily before not winning the title in Lord Guardiolas first season! Klopp for me gets this season for free and has to win something nest season. Anything more is a bonus!

9.) 09 Nov 2018 12:16:59
Respectfully Ed2, it’s not about celebrating 2nd. It’s about recognising progress and being realistic it takes time to topple a dominant force.

The first few years in terms of competing for the league were about trying to catch up with the quality of Man City and close that gap. Yes we’ve seen some big money spent but at the same time other teams have pumped serious cash, namely Utd and City.

Progress should be recognised. The ultimate goal is to the win the title and as I said at some point Klopp will have to answer for that failure but for me that is at he end of next season.

I agree fans can be fickle about players but they can be equally fickle about Klopp so I don’t understand your issue with a show of support and patience.

{Ed002's Note - Endless years and endless money and maybe something will come of it.}

10.) 09 Nov 2018 13:43:52
Two whole years is hardly year in year out.

{Ed002's Note - Mourinho, Conte, Gaurdiola? They arrived and they won. Klopp, now relying on fans discounting the first season and trying to justify his failures since then. It is getting rather embarrassing again.}

11.) 10 Nov 2018 15:27:48
I would much rather watch our games than the stuff that is put out at Old Trafford even though they won a couple of trophies a season or two ago.

Klopp has got us to two European finals and the team is continuing to improve.

It’s tough to win the EPL but as long as we compete and give it a good go that’s all we can really ask.

12.) 10 Nov 2018 15:28:59
Maybe if we'd of played Southampton and not City in the carling Cup final, maybe if we'd played ajax and not sevilla in the europa league final, maybe if we played Monaco and not real madrid in the champions league final then things would be very different, fine margins and luck play a major part in football.



01 Sep 2018 06:15:29
Hi Ed1,

Indulge me if you will. do you think that Gerrard back in his prime would have thrived in a klopp system?


{Ed001's Note - so long as he put the effort in and didn't strop about where he was asked to play, he would have been perfect in Klopp's system.}

1.) 01 Sep 2018 08:11:31
A slightly different question, do you think he would have been given the same opportunities in terms of breaking into to the team. The real top homegrown players of heater year broke were playing in the first team as teens which seems to have completely stopped.

{Ed001's Note - Gerrard was going to get a chance long before he actually did but for injuries. He stood out like a sore thumb as being first team ready. He would have walked into the side.}

2.) 01 Sep 2018 09:05:25
Gerrard did strop around at times but he got frustrated a lot at some of his team mates not being anywhere near his level. When the team got better players he was playing more for the team. He didn't strop around much when Torres and Alonso were there and we were challenging.

Gerrard used to fizz the ball into players just as he wanted but half the teams he played in couldn't handle the passes he was giving them. At his peak he would be the best player in this current side, getting 20+ goals from midfield.

{Ed001's Note - I was thinking of his strop after the best season of his life on the right and subsequent refusal to play there again for Liverpool. Unlike England where he played anywhere they asked him to.}



14 Jun 2018 16:41:20
I’m curious to know why people are so set against a Butland type signing.

90% of posters on here were dead set against signing AOC and Robertson, and have since held their hands up and admitted they were wrong.

Is there not a chance the armchair scouts could be wrong again?

The Butland signing wouldn’t excite me but I’m not opposed to it either. The scouting team have done well over the last 3 windows so I’m prepared to trust them.

Bring on the disagrees 😅.


1.) 14 Jun 2018 16:56:19
Because people are smarter than the Liverpool recruitment team.

2.) 14 Jun 2018 18:25:37
87red and Kramer, it's called airing your opinions on a public forum for honest debate. You think Butland is good enough. I and many others disagree with that opinion hence, debate. It has nothing to do with being armchair-whatever the heck that means or knowing more than LFC's recruiting team as that is just a pointless statement as that is not a debate is for. It's a debate so feel free to join in and enjoy the back and forth or well, don't.

3.) 14 Jun 2018 18:42:17
The thing is that we’ve seen Butland makes the same mistakes (and more) that Karius has been pilloried for. So why spunk £30m on him for the same as we already have? My view is that unless we can or are willing to buy an elite level keeper. Then don’t waste the money.

4.) 14 Jun 2018 19:10:06
Frankly, you are correct BUT having watched both a lot this season (as I watch a tonne of PL games apart from those LFC participate in) and frankly, Butland not only made similar mistakes, he made MORE mistakes than Karius did. Trust me if Butland was not English, I can guarantee you that NOBODY would care for him. Butland is poor and does not even qualify as an "upgrade" to Danny Ward.

5.) 14 Jun 2018 19:20:16
Butland has the potential to be world class, I don’t benieve Karius will ever fully recover from the CL final. It was the most public humiliation in club football.

6.) 14 Jun 2018 19:34:25
Totally agree with Ron. Now he seems to be over his injurys I think he will blossom into a very decent keeper. He might not make world class but will be just under the top keepers.

7.) 14 Jun 2018 19:36:17
There is airing your opinions and then there is repeating the same thing over and over and over again. Those of us who would be happy to give Butland a chance get shouted down by the naysayers who quite frankly have a terrible record when it comes to players, the Ox, VVD and Robertson being three examples.

8.) 14 Jun 2018 19:41:29
Frankly - respect your opinion but you have to take into account that Butland has far much more to do than Karius, what worries me is that Karius could be smoking a cigar for much of games but still makes errors. Top keepers are always alert.

9.) 14 Jun 2018 19:54:27
It’s a tough one right I can’t see Karius recovering either personally
Thing is our keeper may go 6 games without needing to make a proper save so we need someone who maintains concentration and focus Aswell as being good on the ball and a good organiser.

10.) 14 Jun 2018 20:30:06
Butland is a mid to lower table keeper. He’s made some horrific mistakes this year. Absolute howlers under no pressure from nothing situations. There’s no point wasting any money on a keeper who is prone to dropping a bollock every game.

11.) 14 Jun 2018 21:06:56
According to the official premier league statistics Butland made 1 error leading to a goal all season. Maybe you were watching a different goalkeeper.

12.) 14 Jun 2018 22:13:24
Lies, damn lies and statistics. He made a hell of a lot more than just one. He dropped the ball at Everton under no pressure to gift them a goal, he gifted Spurs a goal with poor positioning and lack of concentration so the ball went straight over him, there was the goal against Leicester where he virtually threw the ball into his own net, I could go on. So no, he’s not the answer. Watch the player not useless stats.

13.) 14 Jun 2018 22:21:00
Spot on, Frankly. It is interesting to see those who wanted a top GK to come in now go for the next "big" thing as no top GK will be coming in as it stands. I don't have a prob with that HOWEVER, if that next "big thing" is the poor relegated Butland from relegation fodder Stoke then there is a swamp down in Florida that I would like to sell you.

What is also funny is that some say that a guy who has NEVER played for a big club, who got relegated with Stoke, is suddenly more experienced than one who had the most clean sheets in the CL this season, whose penalty save vs Spurs kept us in the hunt for top 4 at the time, a guy who conceded 1 measly goal vs City in a two legged q-final. Again, if you believe that then I have a swamp in Florida I would like to sell you.

The fact is that if Kaius needs replacing, great get it done BUT sorry, the Butlands of this world are not the answer. Why? He was at Stoke for a reason cos if he was that highly rated as many say, he would not have been there that long. Karius went from Mainz to LFC. Why? Cos Klopp thought at the time that he was that good. Why was Butland still at Stoke till relegation? Cos he was not that good.

14.) 14 Jun 2018 22:41:59
What planet are some of you on. Butland made some errors but the gravity of Karius’ mistakes are unforgivable. In addition, Karius has hardly been prolific. I mean off the top of my head the Spurs game with his dodgy parry to Wanyama is an example of his ineptitude. Has to go he’s not good enough.

15.) 15 Jun 2018 00:15:42
Doncopey1, the point is, if Karius isn’t good enough, then neither is any of Butland, Pope, Navas or Cillessen. As they’re not better and in Navas and Cillessen’s case they’re significantly worse. Now when you say the mistakes are ‘unforgivable’, I’d interested to hear your opinion on Gerrard?

When we won the champions league he threw the toys out the pram and demanded a move to Chelsea, he was involved in that fight in a bar and he was at fault for us losing the title with his slip against Chelsea? So by that measure, Gerrard can’t be a legend because his slip cost us the biggest trophy of all? As far as I’m concerned saying things like that makes a mockery of the words you’ll never walk alone.

16.) 15 Jun 2018 07:28:24
Yeah but you’re not really addressing the question me shankly.

You in particular are one of the worst offenders. You were so against AOC and like whenever you don’t fancy a player you troll every post that their name comes up.

I also don’t buy BRover argument about relegation fodder stoke - like Robertson at Hull right?

And BRover, I’m not in anyway saying people can’t have opinions. I’m just asking how these people who have such strong opinions can’t admit there’s a chance they could be wrong about Butland as they have been so many times in the past with AOC and Robertson etc.

17.) 15 Jun 2018 18:45:26
Butland was a promising youngster who has failed to live up to that and makes mistakes on a regular basis. He’s been particularly poor this season which is part of the reason that he not only lost the England number one jersey, but cost Stoke valuable points at against Everton, Spurs, Bournemouth and Leicester to name a few. Yes I was against AOC signing because based on the available evidence it looked like a waste of £35m. However in his case it’s player who was often played out of position and not used correctly by his former employers. In Butland case it’s hardly comparable, since Butland plays a specific position. Butland only looked ok behind a packed defence, when not playing behind a packed defence his weaknesses are horribly exposed. His distribution is poor, his concentration and positioning are poor and for a man of 6’5” he is poor on crosses. If the only basis people are suggesting him is because he’s English, available and they’ve heard of him, that’s a weak basis on which to sign a player.



12 Jun 2018 07:37:39
Before I start this post I will say that I would love an Oblak/ Alisson type keeper.

HOWEVER. I do think people overstate the jump in quality we need between the sticks. Joe Hart has multiple premier league medals, kasper schmeical has one, keylor navas has one or 2 and 3 champs leagues, Victor Valdes has countless winners medals and they’re all bang average to poor keepers.

Ideally we need to upgrade on our current keepers but an 80mil outlay is crazy.

I saw someone down the page suggest our only option is to either buy a Butland or an Alisson. There are plenty of levels in between that!


1.) 12 Jun 2018 08:24:27
Using Valdes or Hart is false equivalency as they had significantly better squads around them, as for Schmeichel, just a case of the wrong man in the right place at the right time rather than him making any substantial difference.

2.) 12 Jun 2018 08:34:26
We would be mad not to get Alisson or OBlak for 50 million. BUt 80 million plus is too much imo so I would give Karius another chance rather than wasting money on Butland or Pope, who are not better than Karius.
We cans till win the league with Karius but it will need our midfield and attack to be at its best 9 times out of 10. Our defense is not as bad as the media makes it out to be, so we are fine there. Keita and Fabinho are brilliant additions but we need a CAM and backup winger to complete the puzzle up front.

3.) 12 Jun 2018 10:00:57
Frankly, there’s nothing false about it. These teams have all won multiple titles in spite of their keeper. That’s the point I’m making. Therefore, we shouldn’t place as much emphasis as people do on it.



25 May 2018 09:56:57
Buzzing for the final lads and ladettes.

I’m off camping in Norfolk today but managed to find a pub with a big screen so all sorted for the match.

My wife who is a hammer is even taking one of my old shirts to wear!

She’s a keeper guys 👌🏻.


1.) 25 May 2018 10:40:22
Luckily she will probably never get the chance to ask you to do the Sam.

2.) 25 May 2018 10:42:02
Quality, have a great time mate.

3.) 25 May 2018 10:43:54
"she's a keeper guys" - better than Migs?

4.) 25 May 2018 14:24:58
managed to convince my mate (Leeds fan) to wear one too.




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25 Oct 2018 20:50:32
I can’t beleive people waste energy worrying about stuff like this. Our player contracts is something that genuinely never enters my head.




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20 Oct 2018 08:17:49
If now isn’t the time big Shaq gets a start on the wing then I wonder when he every would. It’s huddersfield and we need to start using the squad.




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29 Aug 2018 12:06:17
you can also add djimi traore and john o'shea as champions league winners.




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09 Aug 2018 09:07:29
if signing a quality young keeper, kovacic, jorginho and potentially fekir then I've woken up in an alternate world?




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01 Aug 2018 09:08:19
I’m not criticising him if he goes to Barca. Just pointing out it’s contrary to his apparent unhappiness of being a bench player.





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18 Nov 2018 13:51:14
Once Keita and Fabinho are up to speed, these discussions will disappear.




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14 Nov 2018 12:26:39
I don’t think anyone would disagree that we’re far from on top form Andy. But anyone who’s been slammed for negativity is rightly so. We can express our concerns with team performances without moaning. Ultimately we are 2nd and 2 points off a fantastic city squad having already played them. We can spout luck all we want but there are zero grounds to moan about our current circumstances.

These moans would only be warranted if weren’t where we are. Be concerned, but don’t complain, do you think we could have started better honestly and realistically?




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13 Nov 2018 11:59:04
I couldn't give a toss. I'm delighted with Allison so far.




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11 Nov 2018 13:00:57
That particular decision is irrelevant in my opinion. Hughes slams the officials saying all he asks that they get the game changing decisions correct. Yet he conveniently forgets about the stonewall pen Bertrand should have given away and had a second yellow card.




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09 Nov 2018 12:16:59
Respectfully Ed2, it’s not about celebrating 2nd. It’s about recognising progress and being realistic it takes time to topple a dominant force.

The first few years in terms of competing for the league were about trying to catch up with the quality of Man City and close that gap. Yes we’ve seen some big money spent but at the same time other teams have pumped serious cash, namely Utd and City.

Progress should be recognised. The ultimate goal is to the win the title and as I said at some point Klopp will have to answer for that failure but for me that is at he end of next season.

I agree fans can be fickle about players but they can be equally fickle about Klopp so I don’t understand your issue with a show of support and patience.


{Ed002's Note - Endless years and endless money and maybe something will come of it.}