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07 Aug 2017 13:06:31
Hi eds

I seem to remember a few months back a couple of other CBS were mentioned as us keeping a watching brief (I think it was Ed1 so apologies if I'm mistaken)

They were nastasic and dragovic - do you have any info why decided against pursuing?


{Ed001's Note - no sorry.}



05 Jun 2017 18:17:46
Anyone claiming they don't want Salah because of Afcon are using that as an excuse because they're not really excited about him signing.

I guarantee you nobody would be putting this argument forward if we signed aubameyang.


1.) 05 Jun 2017 18:37:02
The AFCON is years away and we have time to work on that eventuality. Fact is we will have two VERY rapid skilful goal scoring wingers!

2.) 05 Jun 2017 18:44:21
Nah, the same boo boys would use that argument against any African player. Most of us know it's a weak argument though.

3.) 05 Jun 2017 18:34:24
Or reuse who spends around same time on pitch as Sturbridge. though I Linda like him too.

4.) 05 Jun 2017 19:07:22
Going into january with potential semi finals (carling cup), fa cup and premierleague. Without argubably two of your better players is a worry.

But its a ling way off.

5.) 05 Jun 2017 19:41:56
Plenty more of time to prepare for it.

6.) 05 Jun 2017 19:44:44
Afcon won't be for another year and a half a lot of the youngsters (Ojo, Wilson, woodburn, ) will be hopefully first team ready by then, plus another two transfer windows on top of that. No need to panic just yet.



26 Nov 2014 18:34:48

I know you say you doubt klopp would take on the job but do you know if is at least a consideration or if we looked at him the last time round



{Ed001's Note - he will always be under consideration mate, it comes down to if he has any interest in the role, which seems unlikely considering how beloved he is in Dortmund.}




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10 Mar 2018 06:32:33
Can we all have a right good laugh at what a tit Tim Sherwood is. I cannot stand the man.

He’s just done a piece on sky saying that Karius could emulate David de Gea and that he could be the answer.

Literally a week ago he wrote a piece saying this “"The key for Liverpool's current goalkeepers in the mistakes they have made. Liverpool cannot gamble, they need a sure thing. It's a key position and you're not going to win anything without a top goalkeeper. "

Changed his mind in a week has he? So embarrassing. He’s a shocking pundit and it’s a crime he makes a living of any sort in the sport.

I’d also like to say that I have faith Karius can be the answer between the sticks for us. People got on his back way too quickly. He has to keep up recent performances for the rest of this season and immediately into next to nail down his place though. Fingers crossed he could save us 60-70mil.


1.) 10 Mar 2018 08:56:25
Can we not praise somebody for not being too stubborn to change his mind?

3 weeks ago, everyone on here said we NEEEDED Alisson and that Karius was not good enough.

Ask people on here today and those same people who said Karius wasn't good enough (myself included, amongst others including Ed001) will probably say they're prepared to give him a chance and/ or that maybe he is good enough after all.

I think it makes somebody a good pundit to be flexible in there opinion. Making your mind up and then being completely un-open to anything changing your mind is stubborn and poor analysing.

2.) 10 Mar 2018 09:16:29
The whole thing reminds me of when Lucas first signed, poor bloke got a right bashing, he worked hard and for me at one point was the first name on the team sheet . I’m not one for slagging players off straight away, I think it’s later in their careers with LFC that if they still haven’t improved then that’s the time to question wether there good enough for Liverpool .
Really hope we start off the blocks today.

3.) 10 Mar 2018 09:44:33
Credit to him for being big enough to change his mind. Karius has won me over too, it’s ok to have an opinion, but it’s not ok to be so stubborn as not to change your mind if the facts change. The facts are that Karius has stepped up in recent weeks and is looking like the keeper we hoped he would be. Remember the words of greatest economic mind of the modern age, John Maynard Keynes.

4.) 10 Mar 2018 10:17:02
Yes credit for changing your opinion but not in the space of 5 days when you’re paid write stuff. What exactly happened in 5 days for such a drastic turnaround.

If he’d written that first article 6 months ago or at the start of the season. A 5 day Gap is embarrassing.

5.) 10 Mar 2018 10:29:22
Sherwood was extremely successful in his managerial career so am happy to be guided by his opinion and undoubted expertise.

6.) 10 Mar 2018 10:46:36
According to your quote 87red he never specifically said Karius wasn't good enough. He just said that Liverpool have a problem with goal keeping mistakes and need a sure thing. It is very reasonable to think that, and also think that Karius has potential to improve and do just that.

You are acting as though he has said "Karius is a terrible keeper" and then 5 days later said "Karius is world class.

In actual fact, all he's said is Liverpool need a goalkeeper who can be consistent and cut out the errors, and then 5 days later said that answer could be Karius. I'm sorry, but I don't see the issue.

I agree with you that Tim Sherwood isn't the best pundit, but this is a stick invented via paraphrasing and exagerration, to unfairly beat him with. Only my opinion of course mate.

7.) 10 Mar 2018 12:28:21
Where have I exaggerated anything he’s said? It’s a direct quote.

Whether he’s said terrible to potential De Gea or he’s said we need a world class keeper to we now have the answer is still a flip flap in the space of 5 days.

8.) 10 Mar 2018 12:54:44
Jamesy I appreciate the sentiment but Lucas is a bad example. Yes he improved but at his best for me was nowhere near good enough. Top bloke and I still love him today but very limited footballer.
Let’s hope Karius can get to a much higher level than Lucas ever did.

9.) 10 Mar 2018 16:39:22
Bobby builders? So at the time who would you have played?

10.) 10 Mar 2018 19:23:53
Again I don't really rate Sherwood as a pundit, but how long does it take to change your mind? A change of mind takes but a second. I'm all for having a go at Sherwood but not because he changes his mind whether that be in 6 months 5 days or a second. I'm more angry at people/ pundits who refuse to change their mind. Like if someone still maintained salah was a pointless awful signing, that person would be an idiot.



09 Mar 2018 12:14:15
If Emre Can wishes to see if he can get a contract at real madrid then honestly good luck to him.

I've seen further down the pitch that people are ridiculing him or derriding him for this and mocking his ability to play at that level.

let Can worry about that and try to show a bit more class and respect towards a current player who is leaving a very respectful and legit way.

it comes across as bitter and childish.


1.) 09 Mar 2018 12:50:57
Who are you his Dad? I am sure the multi millionaire will not end up on the streets. People are giving an opinion on his football abilities. I personally (like some others) don't think he is quite good enough for the top level. I don't think he is getting any better.

2.) 09 Mar 2018 13:00:33
proved my point with a rather chlidish response Mark.

I'm not his Dad and you're entitled to your opinion but it doesn't have to be delivered in such a disrespectful way.

3.) 09 Mar 2018 13:05:59
What do you class as top level mark? are we not top level? in the quarter finals of the CL, 3rd in the top league in the world, the most competitive league. He's part of our squad mate, plus we do actually want to keep him. I think he'd be fine at clubs like RM and would probably improve to be a top top player wherever he may end up.

I agree with you 87, it does come across as bitter.

4.) 09 Mar 2018 13:14:46
nothing on the previous thread was bitter or childish. You brought that up for no reason. As you say he is a big boy he will be ok whatever level he ends up playing in.

People saying they don't think he is good enough doesn't need you acting like his dad.

5.) 09 Mar 2018 13:30:17
Salah this is nothing to do with Liverpool. This is a debate about whether Can is good enough long term to win titles etc. I don't think he has improved in the last 2 years at all. Hence why Klopp wants Keita.


off the top of my head.

6.) 09 Mar 2018 14:43:03
Wow that's impressive Markp08, must be exhausting walking around with all those guys on top off your head.

7.) 09 Mar 2018 14:43:57
It is to do with Liverpool mark when you say he's not good enough for top level, when Liverpool ARE top level and it's pretty evident we want to keep him. Can is good enough to go ahead and win titles after all he is only 24, you underestimate him massively. I personally think he has improved, not by a great deal granted but there's certainly something in him and to say he isn't good enough at top level is just daft in my opinion.

I have no doubt there's plenty of teams interested in his signature and I have no doubt he'll end up at another top team and will get game quite easily.

Suddenly it's looking like he's leaving and suddenly he's not good enough and will vanish when he leaves us, no chance.

How about just wishing him the best instead of giving him hassle for leaving n doubting his ability? that is what I call been bitter.

8.) 09 Mar 2018 16:28:56
We are no where near winning the premier league and he is one of the players that we need to upgrade. As I keep saying Keita is coming as an improvement on Can.

Do you not think Keita is a significant upgrade? Do you think our midfield is good enough to win the premier league? So we need to improve not think every player we have is great.

Just as VVD was a significant upgrade and hopefully our other signings will be as well. That is what we are doing slowing bringing in better players. It is just common sense.

9.) 09 Mar 2018 16:44:04
Liverpool are not top level. Won nothing for years. On the right path but top level no way.

10.) 09 Mar 2018 17:16:02
To me, Can is replaceable, he would be a good squad option but he wants to be a starter, I don’t think he’s effective consistently enough for us for that unfortunately especially with Keita coming in.
I see a lot of people saying if he’s not good enough for us then he will never be for madrid and that’s nonsense, just because he doesn’t quite fit for us doesn’t mean he won’t be perfect for Madrid and go on to be a starter there, it’s a different team and a different set up and he might flourish there, players perform better or worse depending on what team they play for, an amazing attacking full back might completely struggle if bought by an overly defensive side for example.
Let’s thank the lad for the work and professionalism he’s showed whilst here, he’s honoured his contract so what more can you ask? Good luck to him wherever he goes.

11.) 09 Mar 2018 17:34:16
IM with Ron’s earlier comment on this. Emre has been a good servant to the club and if he wishes to go somewhere else then I wish him the best. I have NO PROBLEM with a player running down their contract. He’s held up his end of the deal, and That’s what contracts are supposed To be for. If he signs for us again, great. If not, YNWA.

12.) 09 Mar 2018 19:20:12
Again, he already plays at the top level. Liverpool have won more games than real Madrid on the champions league this year. We both sit near the top of our leagues, we probably play the better teams in our league from 1 to 20 than real Madrid do on their league.

13.) 09 Mar 2018 22:56:16

Why is he playing at Liverpool, If he is crap? Why did we allow to run down his contracf when he was ready to quit last summer? Techincally He is first class. He doesn't fitninit klopp’s system! That’s all!
Poor are Lallana and Wijnaldum, neither getting games nor getting any suitors outside!

14.) 09 Mar 2018 23:40:16
If lallana becomes available then I guarantee you he will be bought. There would be major interest in him. I hope that doesn't happen, I really like him and think he has another 2/ 3 good seasons in him. He still isn't 100% fit and match sharp. I hate seeing people calling him rubbish or poor just coz he's been struggling for fitness and has been injured. The last time he was 100% match sharp he was one of our best players, probably top 3 and definitely top 5. Last season I'd say mane, coutinio and then lallana also Bobby and Hendo in that top 5 last season.



19 Feb 2018 07:28:30
A question for ed01 if I may.

I feel as if we’re about to enter a new phase of our progression under klopp this summer and that is the one of building a squad that has equal (if not almost) quality on the bench as it does on the pitch. What I mean by that is if you look at the top clubs they’ve have 2 excellent players competing for the same position such as Aguero and Jesus or sane/ sterling etc. Whilst at the moment we have unequivocal first choices in our front 3 in particular. We likely need to look to an additional winger or possibly striker depending on what happens to Ings/ Sturridge/ origi.

I guess what I’m asking is do you see that transition as tricky? Will top prospects such as a Brandt, Bailey or Pulisic etc be keen to join knowing how hard it will be to displace our front 3 and if we do sign such players, how our front 3 will feel about not playing pretty much every game they’re fit for?

Hope that makes sense?!


{Ed001's Note - I do not see us as anywhere near that point yet, we have no midfield to speak of yet, we have two right backs who both are intended to have a long term future in different positions. Those positions need attending to before we should even be thinking about squad depth.}

1.) 19 Feb 2018 10:48:23
Here here! We need full backs! The system demands two excellent full backs. I don’t care if we don’t buy another CB in the summer. It’s our full back that’s worse than anything. However I do expect 2 midfielders to arrive in the summer and the total tally will rise up to 6-7 players.
Except the front 3 anyone could move in the summer.

2.) 19 Feb 2018 12:37:31
Spot on Ed001. I know you're a fan of Ndidi and Mendy at Leicester but are there any others you think are viable and a good fit. I like the look of Jorginho, Torreira and Dendoncker but I don't think we've shown any interest in them either. And at right bac apart from Pereira, are there any others we're looking at?

{Ed001's Note - Jorginho is one I particularly like but I think we would be better with the more combative type, such as Doucoure. There have been a few right backs looked at, though most are unlikely to be options this summer, Fredericks of Fulham could well be possible, he is of interest.}

3.) 19 Feb 2018 13:37:07
If I may ask Ed001, why are the right backs unlikely to be options this summer? Is it due to them not being available or because many top clubs are also looking at them?

{Ed001's Note - both.}

4.) 19 Feb 2018 13:41:13
Thanks Ed. Doucoure has really hit the ground running in the PL. I don't know much about his mentality or game intelligence but his ability is there for all to see. Must admit I don't know much about Fredericks apart from he's a former Spurs academy player so will keep an eye out. Thanks again!

{Ed001's Note - Fredericks is very attacking.}

5.) 19 Feb 2018 13:47:30
would like any of those mentioned tbh. not seen much of Jorginho so can't comment but i agree with ed that i would like a real enforcer. Doucoure is a really good player from what i have seen. really hope we target a midfielder of that nature. with Kieta coming in i only expect 1 more midfielder after that a right back and an attacker/ winger then replacements for outgoings.

6.) 19 Feb 2018 14:03:55
Whilst Torreira doesn’t match Doucoure or Dendoncker in height he’s a snarly and tough little chap who loves a tackle and pretty useful passer. Has a bit of Mascherano Medel Veratti about him.

{Ed001's Note - I have not seen him play.}

7.) 19 Feb 2018 14:35:36
The player I would've loved in there was Obiang of West with every game before his horrible injury problems.

What's happened to him do you think Ed? He looks half the player he was before his injuries. Do you think they've just taken too much out of him he'll never get back or do you think it'll just be a matter of time before he's back to his best?

Also, I'm very surprised to see a question about midfielders and you not say you hope we sign Gary Medel!

All the best.

{Ed001's Note - what are you talking about? Obiang was playing well this season until he picked up another injury.}

8.) 19 Feb 2018 14:49:43
Personally I think he looked a off the pace. But granted that may well have been because he was playing in a poor West Ham team.

Do you know if he is seen as being particularly susceptible to injuries, or if its just seen as bad luck on his part? West Ham have plenty of experience of dealing with the perpetually injured Andy Carroll.

Are Liverpool interested in any of this sort of combative midfielder that you know of? We have Keita coming in who people seem to think is like that but I think he's a lot more creative and dynamic than people believe. I've seen him described as a more attacking Kante, which is completely wrong in my view.

{Ed001's Note - no point asking West Ham about this, they do not do enough work on this area. The fact he has suffered a number of injuries means that he will be more susceptible, it is just the way it is. The body will slightly alter its running style to protect damaged joints creating wear and tear where it shouldn't be and so increase risk of another, different injury, as well as the possibility of a weakness where previous injury occurred. So he would be off my list off targets if I was choosing.

We are not really looking for a combative midfielder, more of a pressing, high-energy player, such as Keita, who you rightly point out is not a lot like Kante really.}

9.) 19 Feb 2018 15:01:11
Cheers for the replies Ed.

I'd like us to be looking for someone who can take Hendersons slightly deeper role, when he is injured or rested, but could also be used further up the pitch in the pressing, high energy capacity yoy have described.

The worst thing about all of this is that if I were looking around Europe for such a player I would only really find one that fits the bill.

Young, very fit, high energy, decent on the ball, lots of potential, experience in England.

And that is Emre Can. Which is a shame.

{Ed001's Note - I wouldn't even consider Can for the role personally, he has not got the right mentality and is far too forgetful of his defensive responsibilities. There are many who fit the bill far better, Allan of Napoli, Ndidi of Leicester off the top of my head.}

10.) 19 Feb 2018 14:26:25
Doucoure is perfect and he will end up at spurs as the Long term replacement for Dembele. We are looking outside England. I wouldn’t mind Yuri Tielemans from Monaco, Kovacic from Real,

11.) 19 Feb 2018 15:13:53
Fair enough mate. Cheers for the responses.

I'd like us to take a chance on Nampalys Mendy. He would likely be available quite cheap, and even if he doesn't kick on to become a great player he would be a solid squad player for many years to come.



10 Feb 2018 14:10:50
One for ed2 if you’re about please.

You mentioned recently that Navas is a GK we’ve shown interest in. We already know about Allison, I wondered if there are anymore gk’s you know if we have an interest in?

Thanks in advance.


{Ed002's Note - as I have said before, circumstances may we’ll be that you put aside thoughts of Alisson. Interest from Liverpool and another side remains in Navas. I expect he will be the very clear target for Klipperty in the summer. I am not aware of any other GKs the club is showing interest in but I am sure that scouts will keep an eye on players as the season progresses.}

1.) 10 Feb 2018 14:35:33
Is he a free agent in the summer ed?

Hope they don’t try to use him in some swap deal for salah.

{Ed002's Note - No.}

2.) 10 Feb 2018 14:58:27
Nava's is a good keeper in my opinion.

I'm just not sure "good" is the level we need. He's certainly stable though. Not really got any weaknesses, and rarely makes mistakes. He just doesn't really have any stand out abilities as a keeper.

I'd support him though. He'd still be the best keeper we've had since Reina left. Bar hasn't been set very high though 😂.

3.) 10 Feb 2018 15:18:29
I take it Madrid have a replacement already lined up?

4.) 10 Feb 2018 15:46:01
Sorry MK, Navas is nothing like a good keeper. He’s a show pony like Casillas, ask yourself why Madrid are so desperate to replace him? He throws himself around at shots he should reasonably save and makes basic mistakes that cost goals, add to that he’s too easily beaten at his near post or anything over his head and he’s no better than Mignolet. We’ll not mention his inability to deal with crosses. The only thing he has is that he’s ok with the ball at his feet. If we signed him it would be repeating the same mistakes we always appear to do with keepers.

5.) 10 Feb 2018 16:01:16
It's Real Madrid to be fair Dennis. They replaced Ozil just because the fans got bored of him and wanted an expensive, shiny, new player.

I wouldn't pick Navas, but he's won League titles and Champions leagues in Real Madrid's net, across several seasons. So whilst he isn't world class, he's clearly not bad either.

Casillas gets a bad rap on here too, i think. I agree Casillas was hugely over rated and never world class, but he was still a good keeper in his prime.

Real Madrid replace anybody as and when they feel like it though, so that is not a fair barometer of his abilities. I do agree that we should be looking for better. If Klopp wants Navas, we should support him though.

6.) 10 Feb 2018 16:49:36
MK, I have watched Navas since his Levante days and right now, he is not who we need. He has regressed for a while now since he played at the WC where for me, he was the best GK, neck and neck with Neuer. Navas is poor on crosses, lacks the athleticism off his line like Karius does for example as RM do not play a high line, and does not command his box enough.

I do agree that RM fans wanted DDG from jump and Navas was never their guy even tho he helped them win a hatful of Cups in the past 3 seasons, a very good shot stopper has, good reflexes and. Not sold on him as he has regressed from the WC days, IMO.

7.) 10 Feb 2018 18:03:55
He is a really poor keeper who let's in soft goals. He hardly has anything to do at Madrid and yet still looks rotten when called upon. Madrid have been desperate to get shot of him for ages. We shouldn’t be the mug punters to take him.

{Ed002's Note - You keep posting the same thing over and over and you just don't seem to get it that he is a player that Klopp would like.}

8.) 10 Feb 2018 21:00:33
Fair point Ed. It’s just frustrating that it’s a crucial position that we keep getting wrong and it looks like we’re going to get it horribly wrong again if Klopp gets his way. If Keylor Navas is reading this, the weather here is horrible and the food awful. You should stay in Spain 😉.

9.) 11 Feb 2018 03:38:06
Dennis you said the same thing about the ox for weeks and weeks and were proved very wrong. Navas wouldn't be my first choice but he is miles ahead of migs. Understand madrid have a better squad than us but they would barely have got close to a trophy if navas was the same standard as migs. They are looking to replace him with arguably the worlds best goalkeeper not some average keeper. There are very few teams that wouldn't want to replace their keeper with DDG given the opportunity!

10.) 11 Feb 2018 09:57:41
Has he been proved wrong about ox? I'd love him to be top notch but still find he's inconsistent just like his arsenal days.

11.) 11 Feb 2018 13:59:54
Farmo, without directly quoting I think the word used was ‘woeful’ about the ox. He has been far from that.



31 Jan 2018 06:26:49
If spurs lose tonight and then again against us on the weekend, the gap to top 4 will be 8 points.

Should they throw in the towel? According to many on here we might as well fold no?


1.) 31 Jan 2018 07:04:29
Hang on 87, that can't be right surely? Just 24 hours ago you'd have though we were in a relegation battle.

2.) 31 Jan 2018 07:22:08
And to think when we lose a game it's all doom and gloom. Good job after we win 1 we don't get carried away 🤦🏻‍♂. It was a cracking win, let's just take 1 game at a time. Spurs next.

3.) 31 Jan 2018 07:32:18
I know burkey! I love the disagree monsters as well who can’t bring themselves to actually defend their childish posts over the last few days. Cheer up lads, top 4 is still easily on!

4.) 31 Jan 2018 07:45:14
You love that face palm emoji Jayden.

I’m not getting carried away in the slightest. I don’t get too excited when we win and I don’t get too defeatist when we lose. I hate it when we lose but I don’t then decide our season is over. I’m merely pointing out that people shouldn’t be so keen to write us off.

5.) 31 Jan 2018 08:03:15
Guess it depends if you think that losing in the manner that we did in the two previous games was acceptable and that suddenly that one win puts right all of the deficiencies that are present in the squad, because it doesn’t. Spurs is much more of a test and will not be anywhere near as easy. We are still on course for another trophyless season and there is still a good chance that we could finish outside top four, given that our weaknesses are easy to exploit.

6.) 31 Jan 2018 08:09:57
87red I have the emoji on speed button mate. I totally agree with what your saying but who cares if people are doom and gloom or if they get carried away after a win. It's their own personal opinion. People seem to take it so personal if someone doesn't share their view. Football debate is what is great about the sport.

7.) 31 Jan 2018 09:00:52
Mr Dennis, your definitely a glass half empty type of guy. You cannot win every game or play well every game. We were poor against Swansea yet still had 4 unreal chances to score. They had 2 shots. West Brom was really poor but a lot was down to Moreno who should not be anywhere near the team.

You constantly moan about our midfielders. I agree to a point as there are no world class players there but Henderson for one is a quality player and one who when in the side makes us a better team. We have made huge progress over the past 2 years and will continue to strengthen in the summer. We are level on points with Chelsea and have Arsenal and City out of the way for the rest of the season, spurs too after Sunday.

Support your team and stop being so negative day in day out .




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13 Feb 2018 07:21:48
I’d take that rumour with a pinchi of salt if I were you.

I’ll get my coat lads 😅.




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05 Feb 2018 12:07:30
1. this is not a new link

2. of course he could sign for them on a free, there is no cooling off period - milner being a case in point

3. who cares? your message implies this would somehow be wrong of him?




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17 Dec 2017 15:30:02
I hate the term cast off, it’s disrespectful and ignorant.

De Bruyne and Salah were once chelsea’s “Cast offs”

Coutinho was once inters “cast off”.




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10 Aug 2017 16:59:59
Based on what josh? All that Brazilian league football you've watched? 🙄.




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09 Aug 2017 19:36:30
What? No comment from frankly?!





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10 Mar 2018 12:28:21
Where have I exaggerated anything he’s said? It’s a direct quote.

Whether he’s said terrible to potential De Gea or he’s said we need a world class keeper to we now have the answer is still a flip flap in the space of 5 days.




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10 Mar 2018 10:17:02
Yes credit for changing your opinion but not in the space of 5 days when you’re paid write stuff. What exactly happened in 5 days for such a drastic turnaround.

If he’d written that first article 6 months ago or at the start of the season. A 5 day Gap is embarrassing.




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10 Mar 2018 08:31:43
Don’t get me wrong Salah mate, I love our front 3. Would I be up for replacing any of them? Definitely not but I can’t say sure that Sane in our system or mbappe wouldn’t be more devastating that Mane for instance.




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10 Mar 2018 08:13:44
Take off the specs Salah mate. Our attack is right up there but we haven’t won anything yet.




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09 Mar 2018 13:00:33
proved my point with a rather chlidish response Mark.

I'm not his Dad and you're entitled to your opinion but it doesn't have to be delivered in such a disrespectful way.