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07 Aug 2017 13:06:31
Hi eds

I seem to remember a few months back a couple of other CBS were mentioned as us keeping a watching brief (I think it was Ed1 so apologies if I'm mistaken)

They were nastasic and dragovic - do you have any info why decided against pursuing?

87red

{Ed001's Note - no sorry.}


 

 

05 Jun 2017 18:17:46
Anyone claiming they don't want Salah because of Afcon are using that as an excuse because they're not really excited about him signing.

I guarantee you nobody would be putting this argument forward if we signed aubameyang.

87red

1.) 05 Jun 2017 18:37:02
The AFCON is years away and we have time to work on that eventuality. Fact is we will have two VERY rapid skilful goal scoring wingers!


2.) 05 Jun 2017 18:44:21
Nah, the same boo boys would use that argument against any African player. Most of us know it's a weak argument though.


3.) 05 Jun 2017 18:34:24
Or reuse who spends around same time on pitch as Sturbridge. though I Linda like him too.


4.) 05 Jun 2017 19:07:22
Going into january with potential semi finals (carling cup), fa cup and premierleague. Without argubably two of your better players is a worry.

But its a ling way off.


5.) 05 Jun 2017 19:41:56
Plenty more of time to prepare for it.


6.) 05 Jun 2017 19:44:44
Afcon won't be for another year and a half a lot of the youngsters (Ojo, Wilson, woodburn, ) will be hopefully first team ready by then, plus another two transfer windows on top of that. No need to panic just yet.


 

 

26 Nov 2014 18:34:48
Ed001,

I know you say you doubt klopp would take on the job but do you know if is at least a consideration or if we looked at him the last time round

Cheers!

87red

{Ed001's Note - he will always be under consideration mate, it comes down to if he has any interest in the role, which seems unlikely considering how beloved he is in Dortmund.}


 

 

 

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31 Oct 2017 07:43:23
Hi Ed01

How roberto baggio, Christian vieri, makalele, puyol and shevchenko?

87red

{Ed001's Note - Baggio was in but added the others thank you.}


1.) 31 Oct 2017 08:22:23
I'm sure he is but just have to double check Ed001 mate is Eusebio on the list?

{Ed001's Note - yes defo on the list.}


2.) 31 Oct 2017 08:30:51
Thought he would be, had to be :) cheers mate.

{Ed001's Note - pleasure, I am looking forward to his one as I never saw him play but heard so much about him.}


3.) 31 Oct 2017 08:58:35
Me too mate I was reading a few bits about him and I too never saw him play but seemed like one hell of a player, definitely one I'd like to know more about.

{Ed001's Note - me ma always used to go on about him so I am guessing he was top class.}


4.) 31 Oct 2017 09:17:04
No doubt mate. I don't know how accurate it is but according to Wiki 580 goals in 575 appearances, that's pretty special. Some people call him the best ever, I can't argue against it because as I say I never say him play but can understand why some may think that going on what I've read which granted isn't alot, so I look forward to your research on him.

By the looks of things he was incredible from 1959-75 then started to decline when he left Benfica but what a run he had! Good luck on the research mate I can't wait for this one.

{Ed001's Note - the trouble with the older players is there is very little, if any footage of them playing to watch.}


5.) 31 Oct 2017 10:00:21
Curious to hear thoughts on some older Croatian players and if you think any of them might be able to find a place on"the list. "
Davor Suker
Zvonimir Boban
Robert Prosinecki
Alen Boksic.

{Ed001's Note - all of them make it mate. Class players all.}


6.) 31 Oct 2017 10:16:13
You're right, Ed. I read an article about the famed Austrian National team of the thirties that used to be known as "De Wunder Team". It is believed that they were the Hungarian National team before it's time, who swept all before them in that era YET very few people know about them and clearly, there is NO footage of them if any.

On another note, I loved both Vieri and Baggio. Baggio IMO, created the "false 9" or the "9 and a half" position (a striker/ playmaker behind the CF) . He was simply brilliant. Watched him at the 1990 WC where he introduced himself to the world and became the world's most expensive player when he moved to Juve from Fiorentina.

This departure forced a fans protest in Fiorentina as they were furious about his departure. At Juve, he was brilliant throughout and I will always remember him at the 1994 WC where he played a whole WC on pain killers (due to a thigh injury) and dragged a pathetic Italian team to the final and kept Arrigo Sacchi in a job. Finished his career at Brescia (with a certain Pep Guardiola) where he helped create the late-bloomer YET equally lethal Luca Toni (as he played behind him) . They don't call him "The Devine Ponytail" for no reason.

{Ed001's Note - you do realise Dalglish was playing that position in the 70s?}


7.) 31 Oct 2017 10:20:07
Great players there, AB. I saw that exciting Croatian team play at Euro 96 and at France 98 WC. They were brilliant from top to bottom (the GK was a bit dodgy tho) . France were very lucky to beat them in the semis and Germany only beat them in the quarters at the Euros with a goal that should have been disallowed for a foul on the brilliant LB Robert Jarni.


8.) 31 Oct 2017 10:27:22
Cheers Ed mate!
I honestly thought Croatia was going to win the '98 World Cup.
Imagine Thuram scoring 3 goals in his career, 2 of them in WC semi's against Croatia. heartbroken we were.
Allthough Boksic was mainly injured and didn't play for Cro in big tournaments, loved the player and he had a fantastic reputation in the then super strong Serie A.
Suker's goal against Denmark (P. Schmeichel) was class, what a touch he had with that left foot, too bad he's only a marionette at the football association atm.
My fav was Boban. Down to earth and a mastermind in midfield. And a brave lad with "the kick" when he defended Dinamo's supporters from policemen.
Prosinecki played for both Barcelona and Real 'nuff said imo. even tho he was a heavy smoker haha.

{Ed001's Note - didn't Boksic end up at Boro at some point?}


9.) 31 Oct 2017 10:34:43
Oh, I know KK played there, Ed. I just was not as familiar with that role as I would later become in the 90's.


10.) 31 Oct 2017 10:34:56
Cheers Loris!
Oh man that brings memories!
Ladic was a dodgy keeper haha.
Forgot about Jarni, what a leftie that guy had and that goal against Germany was class (revenge for Euro's)
To think that Real had him and roberto Carlos for left back at one point. crazy.


11.) 31 Oct 2017 10:38:47
Yes he did Ed. They paid top money for him but he was already past his best, getting older and as far as I can recall didn't do too well.
Prosinecki did well for Portsmouth tho, kinda paving way for them to purchase Kranjcar later.

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}


12.) 31 Oct 2017 10:58:41
Dragan Stoikovic (Spelling) Yugoslav paleyer who played for Marsellies the same time as Abede Pele, Jean Pierre Papin and of course Waddle. He played for Red Star Belgrade prior to that. I always remember watching him and thinking he was special.


13.) 31 Oct 2017 11:03:07
Happy to say that I saw eusebio against North Korea in the 66 world cup at goodison treated to some great players that year in Liverpool including pele.


14.) 31 Oct 2017 12:00:19
That must've been some experience Tc77 :)


15.) 31 Oct 2017 12:02:33
Jones and AB, you guys are going to make me cry with nostalgia with all the Cro and Yugoslavian legends of yester-year. The former Yugoslavian national team in the 70's were known as the "Brazilians of Europe" as they were the most technically gifted players in Europe. Players like Stoijkovic (Pixie was his nickname), Mihailovic, Darko Pancev were part of the Red Star Belgrade team that won the CL by beating the legendary OM team of Boli, Abedi Pele, Jean Pierre Papin (JPP for short) and the like.

When they split into Yugoslavia and Croatia, the Slavs would give us Stoikovic, Stankovic, Mijatovic, Drulovic etc. Croatians like Boban, Suker, Jarni, Prosinecki, Stanic, Boksic, Asanovic. Slovenia gave us Zlatko Zahovic, Miran Pavlin and Udovic (ex Spurs) and so on. Many have wondered what team Yugoslavia would have had had that civil war not ravaged the old Yugoslavia cos clearly, the derth of talent looks endless.

{Ed025's Note - good knowledge there loris..


16.) 31 Oct 2017 12:04:16
Eusebio in short, was a true force of nature. It's that simple.


17.) 31 Oct 2017 14:03:37
My old man used to talk about him a lot. Said he was the best in the world. He was fickle though and would claim cruyff was the best the next day.

I'm taking it cruyff is on the list ed my mate.

{Ed001's Note - yes mate.}


 

 

26 Oct 2017 18:48:42
Enjoyed the article MK.

Which of the 3 midfield roles do you feel keita fulfills and how well?

Interested to know your opinion on whether we've filled one of those holes?

87red

1.) 26 Oct 2017 19:33:07
For me 87red, Keita doesn't fit any of the defensive midfielder roles. He is a very weird one, because he is essentially a box to box midfielder, but he is also the main playmaker at Leipzig, and a goal threat both in and outside the box. He should not be depended on to protect the defence though. His best attributes are creativity, shooting, dribbling, pressing and desire to get into the opposition penalty area or create space to shoot.

In my opinion, he is more of a replacement for Lallana because he can do everything he does and more. He is far too rash to be a defensive midfielder though. He has been sent of 3 times this season already! It's not even November! For me, we should give him a free role to just go all over the pitch and do what comes naturally too him. Making him defend will stifle his best attributes, leave gaps at the back when he inevitably goes forward, and put him in more situations where he could get himself sent off. He is deadly going forward, so I'd leave him to do that. Just my opinion though buddy.

Thanks for reading my article as well. Glad you enjoyed it!


2.) 27 Oct 2017 01:22:15
Was a good article but I see him replacing Gini/ Can in the box to box role more than the Lallana/ Coutinho role. Think we desperately need a defensive/ deep midfielder to backup and challenge Hendo.


3.) 27 Oct 2017 07:02:33
I agree we need someone sitting with or even behind Hendo, but Keita should no be that player. I'd be gobsmacked if Klopp is foolish enough to put both Henderson and Keita in front of the defence, wasting both of their best attributes. They would be far better with player like Obiang sitting behind them. It would give the likes of Hendo, Keita, Gini and Lallana the chance to attack without having to keep one eye over their shoulder. I think opposition players would have nightmares about being pressed by Henderson and Keita. If either got tired, we'd through on Lallana and give them no respite.

I really hope we don't waste Keita in a defensive role though. He has the potential to score and assist double figures from midfield if we use him right.


 

 

26 Oct 2017 07:52:31
Right, get ready for an optimistic post folks. Lord knows this page needs a bit more of it at the moment.

People beginning to doubt klopp (or already doubting) . Are things going well just now? Of course not! But let's look at this objectively in terms of his tenure so far:

In his first season which he joined part way through, he got us to 2 finals. Alright we didn't win which was a huge disappointment but nevertheless it was some feat considering the mess he inherited, also beating the likes of UTD and Dortmund along the way.

2nd season - he got us back into the champions league in his first full season. A competition we'd only been in once in the previous 7 seasons.

3rd season has no doubt been a poor start but we're looking in a good place to get out of the group stages of CL this time (we were pathetic in our last CL campaign even with Basel and Ludogorets in our group) .

I assure you I'm not trying to paper over the cracks and klopp no doubt has his flaws but he's shown enough in his first two years that we don't just all of a sudden turn on him after a poor run.

We're better than this red men.

87red

1.) 26 Oct 2017 08:27:18
I love the guy an want him for ten years if possible but he ain't sorted defence that's all we want he the manager sort it, been 2 an half seasons now.


2.) 26 Oct 2017 09:12:45
I agree hail. Whilst there are discussions "does firmino get enough goals",
Is Henderson captain material? Do we rely too much on Mane? Should the kids get more game time ect.
it's all not worth the healthy discussions and debates anymore. The defence and the 2 keepers are just a shambles and I can't even think about the rest of the team whilst it's like this. I'd be happy if Lovren has played his last game for Us, it's a small start.


3.) 26 Oct 2017 09:49:45
Fowler you say 'the 2 keepers are just a shambles' one being Migs, I get that but what other? Karius I assume? he has barely been given a chance so how can you call him a shambles? Please help me understand because that's a bit harsh mate and makes no sense.


4.) 26 Oct 2017 12:02:13
I like klopp but I really worry for him cos he has left himself short at the back an pressure on our attack now is immense, his stubborn attitude that he will somehow improve our defence is a real task for him, I honestly think he too one dimensional teams know wat they up against an how to frustrate us also teams know we will give a goal or 2 away very important couple of months for klopp hope he gets through.


 

 

28 Sep 2017 07:30:48
Imagine Harry chipping in when we get the DM part of our intergerlactic world class squad 😂.

87red

1.) 28 Sep 2017 07:52:42
Imagine rest of others who claims “. We don’t play with a DM “lol! I would count how many would include hendeson in any of the list!


2.) 28 Sep 2017 08:12:39
Dear god.


3.) 28 Sep 2017 08:28:47
Lol I will also check how many would include Klopp in their list!


4.) 28 Sep 2017 08:39:40
Harry did you really have to try and make it about Henderson again?

It's getting pathetic mate. And that's me putting it kindly. Nobody is going to nominate a box to box midfielder filling in / trying to adapt at DM to play there in the best 25 man squad on earth. So why even bring him up; just to take a cheap shot? Matic, Casemeiro, Bender, N'Zonzi, Motta, Medel, Fabinho, Busquets, Wanyama and Demme are the level of holding midfielders we will be discussing. Hendo is a great player, and maybe even one of the better midfielders in the Premier League, but he is not a world class DM and won't get anywhere near this discussion.


5.) 28 Sep 2017 09:09:49
Keep aside DM, I will see how many would include him in the CM list! You claimed by end of this season he would be inside top 5 holding midfielders.


6.) 28 Sep 2017 10:13:29
You two should be on the debate. Or just get the gloves on for charity lol.


7.) 28 Sep 2017 10:14:32
In the Premier League mate. I said he has the potential to be one of the best in the Prem once he learns the role, once we have a more balanced midfield, and that in my opinion he would be by the end of the season. I never stated it as fact. It was my opinion/ prediction.

He nearly already is if we're limiting it to just the Premier league. Matic, Wanyama, Dier, Romeu, Fernandinho and Herrera are probably the only ones who i would have instead of him. Kante, Gueye and Can are all decent in that role, but rarely get shackled into it.

I really don't know what your problem is with Henderson mate. He is a decent DM progressively getting better at it, and a great box to box midfielder who has proven he can play in title challenging teams in that role. I'm not nor have i ever claimed he is one of the best in the world though. Nobody is. He just doesn't deserve to constantly be made into a scapegoat just because of bitter comments made by ex-managers who tried and failed to sign him, or the clueless failed managers who sit in the punditry studios.

If/ when we sign a proper DM, i still expect Henderson to start most games if he fully recovers from his heel injury or at least gets to a stage he can manage it. He is the captain, and our best centre midfielder for now who would in my opinion get into any other midfield in the Premier league except Man United, Man City or Tottenham. Although a couple of them are debateable considering Man United and Tottenham have tried to sign him in the past.

Of course, you know better than Dalglish, Rodgers, Klopp, Hodgson and Southgate who all pick/ picked him whenever he was fit. Or Alex Ferguson and Pochettino who both wanted to sign him 🙄 sure though, let's listen to Neville, Shearer and Le Tissier after their glittering careers in coaching and management.

Hendo is just the new Lucas. Supporters nowadays need someone to blame. He will always be picked by any managers who come and go because professionals paid to know what they are talking about rate him highly, but he will never be rated because the media and large proportions of the fans have made up their minds and refuse to credit him for anything good he does, and instead choose to discredit him for everything bad he does.

I can accept it if you simply don't rate him. I just don't want to read about it on every single, sometimes completely unrelated, thread! If you are expecting Liverpool to have a team of 11 world class players, you need to lower your expectations. No team in history has had that, and teams like Real Madrid who have tried it found out that actually, you need some less talented players like Pepe, Casemeiro and Benzema who will fight for it on off days. In fact what you then find is that players who many thought weren't good enough, when surrounded by more talented players, bring out the best in one another to the point where the less talented players actually become part of a world class team.

Henderson is not going to be the star. He is always going to be a team player. That is just the way it is mate. Maybe if you back him, he can be part of a successful team.


8.) 28 Sep 2017 10:47:32
I'll fight Harry in a boxing match for charity!

I haven't boxed since i had a bone graft on my right hand though. I reckon my finger would shatter 😂 they took nearly an entire section on bone out to remove a tumour and then filled it in with bone from my wrist. If I'm going to bust my hand though, I'd love it to be on Harrys chin, defending Henderson. I mean, err, for charity 👀.


9.) 28 Sep 2017 10:50:43
Writing a 10 para post wouldn’t change facts into reality! He is an average English midfielder who after 7 years still
doesn’t know how to play in the midfield! He is so limited with the ball and posses absolutely no attribute to play deep! He will be phased out once Kieta and a world clas
Holding mid joins us next summer!
He will have the support of every liverpool supporter out there! And this is my opinion on the player!
Lowering my expectations lol! Or more like living mediocrity? From Sahin / Bender / Gundagaon to Henderson! No wonder why Klopp is struggling!

Some clubs tried to sign him in the past lol! Man city tried to sign Skrtel in the past and there would a couple
Of clubs interested in Mignolet as well!


10.) 28 Sep 2017 10:59:46
You seem to be getting some stick lately MK but fair play, you've made your point intelligently and intelligibly as usual. Always a reasoned opinion. I know it's difficult to do that concerning LFC!


11.) 28 Sep 2017 11:53:04
Thank you CanIbeTheKing. I love the stick deep down mate, but it's always nice to know where my single thumbs up is coming from 😂.


12.) 28 Sep 2017 14:50:21
I honestly don't know how people can miss what he does, whether people think he is a "world class" footballer or not, the stick is just embarrassing. As a daily reader of this site for the past decade i would just like to add there are hopefully many more fans out there that quietly appreciate the efforts of quality such as henderson and continue to enjoy this site in the background. That said, Keep up the good debates guys. even those robbie savage impersonators, wouldn't be the same without you.


13.) 28 Sep 2017 16:44:54
In the interest of balance, i'll downvote you this time!
Keep up the good work mate.


14.) 28 Sep 2017 21:51:25
City who signed Otamendi, Demichelis, Stones, Mangala and Nastasic? Anyway Skrtel won our player of the year award when they tried to sign him. He looked very good in a deep defence alongside Carragher or Agger.

You have just cherry picked the best midfielders Klopp had at Dortmund anyway. Kehl, Kagawa, Großkreutz, Zidan, KP Boateng and many more midfielders who were just good players and far from world class also played under Klopp. You forget these things though mate because they don't suit your argument. Sahin wasn't all that either by the way. He had one good season and has never rebuilt his career since. He couldn't even look good in Real Madrid's midfield.


 

 

21 Aug 2017 07:12:49
Don't look now MK but Hoedt is off to Southampton! You called it and at 17mil too.

Our transfer target next summer?!

87red

1.) 21 Aug 2017 07:23:11
Boring 😴😴😴.


2.) 21 Aug 2017 07:25:35
We usually give them a few seasons to settle nice at home before disrupting their lives haha.


3.) 21 Aug 2017 08:03:16
Saints must've read my article suggesting him as a VVD alternative 😉 haha.


4.) 21 Aug 2017 08:52:01
What a beauty MK!


5.) 21 Aug 2017 09:01:08
I can't see that he is anything near a like for like, Hoedt is quite poor in the air and not particularly physically strong, whereas van Dijk is a physically dominant player and one of the best headers of a ball in the premier league? The only thing they have in common is that they're dutch and can pass the ball quite well.


6.) 21 Aug 2017 10:32:29
Dennis, if you read my article I basically said exactly the same thing as you mate.


 

 

 

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17 Dec 2017 15:30:02
I hate the term cast off, it’s disrespectful and ignorant.

De Bruyne and Salah were once chelsea’s “Cast offs”

Coutinho was once inters “cast off”.

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10 Aug 2017 16:59:59
Based on what josh? All that Brazilian league football you've watched? 🙄.

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09 Aug 2017 19:36:30
What? No comment from frankly?!

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09 Aug 2017 07:28:48
Can we stop with this 30 nonsense please!

Vidal is absolutely quality and could still be for another 3-4 years.

Xabi alonso was class up until he chose to retire at 34/ 35
Ibrahimovic still did well in toughest league at 33
Would you turn down Ronaldo, messi? Suarez (forgetting his antics for a moment)?

Robben? Ribery? Modric?

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25 Jul 2017 07:20:55
Max Meyer 100% has the talent to equal couts. My issue is that he is about 4 years away from getting there so would weaken us considerably in the short term.

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27 Nov 2017 12:09:05
by the definition of your post harry. if it has taken 3 years for people to agree on the DM issue, there is nothing quick about that.

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07 Nov 2017 07:33:26
Changed your mind about klopp again buzzer. About 3 or 4 games ago you'd lost complete faith and were thinking you wrong to be excited about his appointment. I wonder if we hit another slump if you'll go back to calling for his head?

You're a joke mate.

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06 Sep 2017 14:01:26
Harry, you were saying the same of Salah when we signed him that he wasn't a technical player and was all about pace.

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05 Sep 2017 19:36:58
How about Pep Ljinders? I know he was highly thought of at one point?

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27 Aug 2017 18:55:37
Arsenal have been poor CJ. Their midfield can't be arsed. I'm a bag of nerves right now as we're not the best at protecting leads!

87red