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26 Nov 2014 18:34:48
Ed001,

I know you say you doubt klopp would take on the job but do you know if is at least a consideration or if we looked at him the last time round

Cheers!

87red

{Ed001's Note - he will always be under consideration mate, it comes down to if he has any interest in the role, which seems unlikely considering how beloved he is in Dortmund.}


 

 

 

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22 Mar 2017 07:18:29
Hi all,

Not sure why people keep following up on reports in the gossip columns. Ed2 has only just done a sharkopod detailing all the players he is aware of that we've had a sustained interest in.

Listen to it and stop throwing random names out there.

87red

1.) 22 Mar 2017 09:13:41
But it is FUN and we are BORED! Spring is here, the Ayres are singing in the trees, it is the time for shaking off the January lethargy, gathering the warchests, monitoring the players from random bushes, and preparing for the swoops, and the launches, and all the nice moves!


2.) 22 Mar 2017 09:41:16
It's a transfer banter page, that's what the page is about and why there is a separate transfer rumour page.


3.) 22 Mar 2017 10:03:46
Banter isn't asking if we have interest in every tom dick and Harry. Just saying what's the point when ed2 spent his time with the sharkopod of people are going to completely disregard it?


 

 

14 Mar 2017 07:42:48
Question for ed01 if he's around.

Can is someone who's been in for a lot of stick on these pages this season. I personally think whilst he can be very frustrating, he's has undoubted talent.

What do you make of klopp and his claims he's been playing through the pain barrier for quite some time? Do you know anything about this and do you think therefore it's a large part of his poor performances this season? I can't help but feel if it is true then Klopp should have taken him out of limelight and given Stewart some more opportunities?

Can also claimed the contract stall isn't about money - can you shed any light on this?

Thanks in advance for your time and insight!

87red

{Ed001's Note - are you suggesting Klopp was lying? He has had an injury he has been carrying, but only he will be able to tell you how much it affected his performances. Personally I feel the stop start nature of his season has hindered him far more. He is still learning the role and has been in and out of the side and in slightly different roles. It is not easy for him. Carrying a knock will certainly not help.

As for his contract, he wants games more than big money.}


1.) 14 Mar 2017 08:54:10
Ed01, do you think he will get game time in the future considering the interest in Brandt and Coutinho likely to move to midfield? Or do you expect to see Coutinho still playing as a forward?

I still think Klopp judgement in signing Wijnaldum was questionable, considering the numbers of players we have that can play in the midfield.

Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - if Can fails to sign his contract, I expect him to move on. If he signs it, it will be because he is going to be given game time.}


2.) 14 Mar 2017 11:30:12
It's refreshing to hear that that is the reason Can has been stalling. That's the sort of attitude you want in a player, that was one of the reasons he came to us rather than return to Bayern isn't it ed, thought he would get more game time with us?

{Ed001's Note - yes, it was the pretty much the only reason.}


3.) 14 Mar 2017 12:19:06
hi ed,

definitely not saying klopp is lying - I actually found it good to know his poor performances could be down to injury troubles.

I was more asking the question if it is the case, why not take him out of the team. a lot of fans have got on his back as a result.

{Ed001's Note - because he was seen as the best available option. Sometimes a player needs to play through an injury to get used to it and pick up their performance.}


4.) 14 Mar 2017 12:29:30
With that said then ed and if he is going to be given more game time then Klopp must rate him and have faith in him that he can improve his game. I just don't see who misses out when Hendo is fit? Also there is no way we can buy anymore CM's without some leaving.

{Ed001's Note - Klopp is trying to build a squad to win some trophies, rather than just a team to win somematches.}


5.) 14 Mar 2017 12:46:09
ok fair enough, thanks for the responses Ed.

I hope it works out for Can, I think he could be awesome in a few years and hope some of the fans have more patience with him.

{Ed001's Note - thank you, hopefully we see a special player in time. Either way he deserves our patience for playing out of position for long periods of his time with us without moaning.}


6.) 14 Mar 2017 14:46:04
Can is average at best.

If we wish to move up, we need to look for better than CAN.

He has got decent/ plenty amount of opportunities and his best is avg. There must have been a reason Bayern M did not exercise their option of taking him when they had it.

If we are fine with 8 to 6 or 5 th place finishes, we can carry more of his types.

Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - actually Bayern wanted to take him back but he chose to come to us instead. Must be a reason though hey? So we can ignore your comments as the ridiculous knee jerk reaction they are.}


7.) 14 Mar 2017 15:38:49
We need to agree to disagree on Can, Ed01.

This is not at all knee jerk at all.

I believe he has got enough opportunities to justify/ show his potential/ talent and he hasn't made great use of it.

Not sure if he can improve further as we still don't know his best position/ attributes.

Yes, he is young, has good stamina to burn and can play different positions ( BR and German national side used him as a right back on most occasions) .

But skill wise he is very limited. He looks good while running with the ball but most of the time has 0 end product.

I strongly believe if others like Tex or Grujic get the same chances as him, they could also show what they have got.

So in effect keeping him will not improve us greatly from where we are now. So him leaving will not make much difference either.

Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - let's just all be grateful you are not involved if you are judging players so quickly. He is still young and learning, his passing and vision can be excellent at times. Rodgers never used him mostly as a right back, so clearly you are not even watching him, so pointless having this discussion with someone who has never watched the lad.}


8.) 14 Mar 2017 16:36:05
Coutinho moving into midfield has nothing to do with Can. Can is deployed as a DM or Deepest midfielder. If anything Lallana would be sacrificed for Brandt and that's rightly the case in my opinion.

Can is not a DM and I doubt he will ever be one, That leaves his place in theam a big doubt. He is never going to to replace Henderson and even in his absence I would prefer Paredes or someone who has played that position previously. Precisely Can is surplus and Klopp is struggling to fit him in the team.


9.) 14 Mar 2017 17:02:08
Aparrently Klopp said that is Why Joe Allen moved on because he needed more regular game time to reach the next level of performance.

Does this make sense?
Surely it has to be the clubs aim to get every player signed playing at his highest level for our club.

And not to move somewhere else and start playing out of their skins.


10.) 14 Mar 2017 18:35:41
Not slagging Can off as I really like him as a player, I just think he as the ability to score a lot more goals as he as a cracking shot on him.


11.) 14 Mar 2017 22:14:35
I am 100% sure BR played Can as a defender. Whether it is a right sided defender or Right back. we can always argue.

Also Joachim Low brought on CAN as sub couple of times in friendlies / whenever he was selected. I am 100% sure of this also.

How ED01 says it is not correct is beyond my imagination.

German fans here can confirm if this is correct or if I am talking BS.

Looks like he is Can is the flavour of this week because of his goal and suddenly we have supporters praising him and saying he has good shot on him. If he really had that he would have showed it already with so many appearances.

Also I remember one of the Ed's saying/ writing here that he has turning radius big vehicle recently when he was not doing well.

Aslo also his contract situation when he is demanding more game time makes me feel he is not really that good.

Why would anyone was assurance if they are really good?

Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - hardly an argument, he played as a centre back most of the time, there is nothing to argue, you were wrong. He played more often in midfield under Rodgers than he did at right back. You may be 100% sure, but you are 100% wrong. He has 7 full caps under Loew, 3 at right back, 2 at left back and 2 in midfield. Hardly a lot to go on to decide what position he is for his country, as it is clear he is suffering from playing lots of positions for them too.

What the hell is some of this crap got to do with anything, other than proving your ignorance? Having a big turning circle has not stopped many players having a great career, and pointing out deficiencies does not mean he does not have qualities, which you seem to have missed.

What kind of world do you live in? You think someone wanting assurance of game time means they are no good? Perhaps you should tell that to Sanchez, who wanted assurances of game time when he signed for Arsenal. Is he not very good then? Arguably the best player in the Prem is suddenly not really good according to you then....}


12.) 15 Mar 2017 05:19:27
Nothing against Can, but Kloppo needs to watch his mouth when giving assurances of game time - I'm thinking Grujic and Karius.
Why do players insist on assurances anyway? They should prove themselves in training and on matchday. That is the only assurance they should ask for and receive - if you prove it in training you will start the majority of matches.


13.) 17 Mar 2017 10:56:55
Who does Karius and Mingolet have to prove themselves to in training?

Or Lovren when he is fit?

They are all barely bang average players with the possibility of Karius improving in time.

But until they have competition in training from higher quality players it's hard to see how they will improve.


 

 

28 Feb 2017 17:53:49
I actually can't believe what I'm reading on here today.

Klopp out?
Even Rodgers did better?
Bring in Tony Pulis?

We've had a bloody awful few months but over reaction is an understatement.

There was talk of Conte getting the chop after his start to Chelsea life, sticking by him appears to have worked out right?

We were in a mess before klopp joined thanks to a string on poor player recruitment and poor management. He lead us to 2 finals in his first year - sure he didn't win them but is that not reason for encouragement? We played 4 months of incredible football and we've tailed off massively. Is that frustrating? Of course it is! But does he not deserve longer than 2 months to turn that back around?

I know this will fall on deaf ears but some of the posts today are nothing short of shambolic. If you can't show more faith and support when things are going sh@t, then you have no right to celebrate in the good times.

87red

{Ed025's Note - these are not true fans saying that 87, if they are then you are better off without them as supporters like that will just drag the team down so take no notice mate..


1.) 28 Feb 2017 18:53:06
I stopped paying attention when such "fans" start comparing Klopp to BR and/ or want him gone. Such fans don't deserve my attention and neither do they deserve yours, 87red.


2.) 28 Feb 2017 23:11:47
There's 12 games left this season, we have to get in the champions league. We have to get behind them and save the analysis for the summer.


3.) 01 Mar 2017 02:22:01
These 12 games should show the mentality of the players. Id be thinking each one could be my last ever game for LFC and graft my bol**cks off and who gives a s**t if I get hurt. I don't see enough of our players with the same attitude.


4.) 28 Feb 2017 19:48:52
Totally agree Noah and 87 they aren't true fan's in anyway shape or form. Excellent post as well Ed025 fair play mate.


 

 

12 Jan 2017 12:25:20
love all of the hindsighters on here slating the lack of using wilson ojo etc last night. they're exactly the same people who would be kicking off had klopp picked them and we lost, saying "it was too big a game to play the kids".

87red

1.) 12 Jan 2017 12:42:42
Your telling me that Ojos pace and Wilson, whos having a great under 23 season would not of made a difference. Saints dealt with everything we tried todo. We had no one running at the back four


2.) 12 Jan 2017 13:29:09
And if Ojo and Wilson had played poorly, you'd be saying it was too big a game for them and asking why we'd not played the first team.
No winning with some.


3.) 12 Jan 2017 14:02:41
Dorset, you mean like it did vs Plymouth where many on here were slating Klopp for not putting on a stronger team? That`s the thing with hindsighters (geniuses after the fact), they are never wrong.


4.) 12 Jan 2017 14:18:30
You can't predict the future nor the outcome but you can certainly plan for the future and based on your experience. Your predictions come a lot closer.


5.) 12 Jan 2017 15:00:29
Too many young lads and changes made against Plymouth.

Their players were up for it as it is rarely they will play at a stadium like anfield.

it was probably the biggest game of their careers.

Klopp will learn from this as will all the young lads used the other night.

We are blessed with talent in depth but is that the same as strength in depth?


 

 

28 Dec 2016 18:44:14
We don't need to replace him in either cdm or cb. In midfield we have Stewart, can, grujic and even chirivella in the youth team. Plus when was the last time he played in midfield for us?

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24 Mar 2017 09:51:17
Sorry super Mane, that doesn't make them top class defenders. It was an amazing achievement but djimi traore is champions league winner should we bring him out of retirement? Joe hart has won 2 titles, shall we bring him in?

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24 Mar 2017 08:25:00
That is some pretty broken logic Mane. He's going to cost something in the region of 40mil. If we spend that kind of money you want to be solving your cb issues for the 5 years not slightly upgrading (which I'm not convinced we would be anyway) .

Morgan and Huth? How's that partnership working out at the moment?

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13 Mar 2017 12:16:29
whilst yesterday wasn't exactly a vintage performance, I fail to see how it only "papers over the cracks"? the last time I checked we were very much in the top 4 hunt with a crucial game against city to really help cement that coming up?

yesterdays win saw us equal our amount of wins in the league last season with TEN games still to play.

claims on here a few weeks ago were that we haven't made any progress since the rodgers era.

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22 Feb 2017 17:51:01
Hi ed,

I watch a lot of WHU because my missus supports them. Whenever I've seen obiang I just think he is a bog standard player who doesn't stand out with any attribute really. I've seen him be really sloppy in possession. It's not that I'm overly down on him, just think he doesn't offer anything we'd want or don't have in Stewart or potentially grujic.

87red

{Ed001's Note - Grujic is nothing like that, totally different kind of player, so an irrelevant comparison, nor is Stewart for that matter. He is very similar to N'Zonzi, he looks all arms and legs but he is effective and what we are missing right now. Stewart is a holding player, Obiang is not.}


 

 

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21 Feb 2017 20:04:29
I would literally take any of their midfielders over him.

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24 Mar 2017 07:34:44
Don't talk tosh Harry. England have had some unbelievable players even just in my generation. Ferdinand, Terry, Ashley Cole, gerrard, lampard, scholes, beckham, Owen, fowler, Rooney (until about 5 years ago), Adams, seaman, gascgoigne, macca - I'm sure there are others.

In terms of what Ed has said, he is 100% right. (Most) kids nowadays don't have to work for anything, haven't heard the word no enough and as a result are self entitled. It isn't about making your kids go without but learning the value of earning something through hard work and patience. This scenario only becomes further exaggerated in football where there are 17/ 18 year old earning vast amounts of money.

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22 Mar 2017 12:27:33
MK,

You can't site what bayern have done as a reason for their failure to win a trophy - otherwise all other german teams might as well as give up if that's the case.

ask yourself this, if BVB still had all of those players - would they have a better chance of ending the bayern domination? absolutely.

you can't use united as an example either. their situation back then was so different to where we are. they were a consistent title winning team whereas we are building towards that. if you're winning titles, losing one player can be remidied. if you continue to lose your best players - torres, suarez, alonso, possible coutinho - you end up exactly where we are.

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22 Mar 2017 10:03:46
Banter isn't asking if we have interest in every tom dick and Harry. Just saying what's the point when ed2 spent his time with the sharkopod of people are going to completely disregard it?

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22 Mar 2017 07:25:24
MK

Poor comparison mate. Since BVB sold lewa, gotze etc, how many trophies have they won exactly?

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16 Mar 2017 08:04:06
Pete,

Your post is disgusting and a disgrace.

87red