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07 Aug 2017 13:06:31
Hi eds

I seem to remember a few months back a couple of other CBS were mentioned as us keeping a watching brief (I think it was Ed1 so apologies if I'm mistaken)

They were nastasic and dragovic - do you have any info why decided against pursuing?


{Ed001's Note - no sorry.}



05 Jun 2017 18:17:46
Anyone claiming they don't want Salah because of Afcon are using that as an excuse because they're not really excited about him signing.

I guarantee you nobody would be putting this argument forward if we signed aubameyang.


1.) 05 Jun 2017 18:37:02
The AFCON is years away and we have time to work on that eventuality. Fact is we will have two VERY rapid skilful goal scoring wingers!

2.) 05 Jun 2017 18:44:21
Nah, the same boo boys would use that argument against any African player. Most of us know it's a weak argument though.

3.) 05 Jun 2017 18:34:24
Or reuse who spends around same time on pitch as Sturbridge. though I Linda like him too.

4.) 05 Jun 2017 19:07:22
Going into january with potential semi finals (carling cup), fa cup and premierleague. Without argubably two of your better players is a worry.

But its a ling way off.

5.) 05 Jun 2017 19:41:56
Plenty more of time to prepare for it.

6.) 05 Jun 2017 19:44:44
Afcon won't be for another year and a half a lot of the youngsters (Ojo, Wilson, woodburn, ) will be hopefully first team ready by then, plus another two transfer windows on top of that. No need to panic just yet.



26 Nov 2014 18:34:48

I know you say you doubt klopp would take on the job but do you know if is at least a consideration or if we looked at him the last time round



{Ed001's Note - he will always be under consideration mate, it comes down to if he has any interest in the role, which seems unlikely considering how beloved he is in Dortmund.}




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09 Aug 2017 12:31:52
i keep seeing people saying how we barely scraped 4th last year but for me it's a false perception.

if you take it at face value, we made it by a point or so, which would appear "scraping through"

the reality is that our points total last year would have in seasons gone by been easily enough to secure top 4 without any "scraping through".

the league is now in a place where 6 teams can geniunely win the title year in year out so the gap between 4th to 6th will always be a lot shorter.

this in my opinion created a false impression.

the afcon and injuries to key players without suitable back ups is what nailed us last season.

with better squad depth (i. e. having mane AND salah means we should pretty much always have that devastating pace that opens up teams) .

hopefully hendo will be much less plagued by injury. people also underestimate the value of having a team not too dissimilar from last year who are another year experienced and better used to playing with one another - spurs being a key example of this.


1.) 09 Aug 2017 12:44:17
Great post mate!

2.) 09 Aug 2017 12:44:46
We did barely scrape through, it came down to the last game of the season, the reason being the mid season collapse. I still don't think we are well equipped for the season ahead. Failing to prepare means that you should prepare to fail.

3.) 09 Aug 2017 12:49:37
thank you for completely ignoring the core point of my post around perception vs reality.

if we won the title on 91 points on the last day of the season and 2nd finished on 90 points - would that be just scraping it? or would it be 2 teams who took it down to the wire with equal ability on the pitch?

4.) 09 Aug 2017 13:02:53
Your original post was really good.

However your second was like throwing a ball against a wall, if any friends fans are around in Joey's words "it was a moo point"

5.) 09 Aug 2017 13:03:52
I think my point is that it seemed like we made it to fourth in "limp home mode" and really were relying on Arsenal slipping up for most of it, so really I think it was both ours and Arsenals equal ability at contriving to be awful at times that made it what it was. Obviously, had we won the league by one point over United, I wouldn't at all be saying that we scraped home, but that it was a glorious victory. As you say, its a matter of perception!

6.) 09 Aug 2017 13:10:20
Do you have to see the negative in everything Frankly? If you get 4th spot by a point or ten points you still get 4th spot.

7.) 09 Aug 2017 13:24:35
Frankly, the fact that we finished 2 points behind City last season saw us in "limp home mode"?

I guess that can be compared to City having ordered wheelchairs for their players and using them on the pitch knowing that we were depending on Arsenal to mess up.

What exactly is wrong with you?

8.) 09 Aug 2017 13:31:29
Glass is always half empty Welsh. But that is because I am a realist.

9.) 09 Aug 2017 14:00:50
87 your bang on. A horse winning a race by a hand wins the race, end of.

10.) 09 Aug 2017 14:01:15
No, you're very much a pessimist.

11.) 09 Aug 2017 14:12:59
Reads more like 90% empty to most of us. But it's fine. I just look at the 10%.

12.) 09 Aug 2017 14:50:18
If you think we barely scraped 4th then you are deluding yourself. We were never even nailed on to finish 5th at the start of the season and in fact, the pundits had us battling Neverton for 6th so we did not finish 4th by scraping it. We were better than Arsenal and Everton (did the double over them) and way better than Utd while finishing 3 points off City who spent double what we spent. We deserved 4th and that is that.

13.) 09 Aug 2017 15:29:30

That is why City are Strengthening. By last year's logic why would Chelsea buy any player? They walked away with the league. Didn't they?
Coutinho alone wouldn't get us the league but good enough for a CL spot which wouldn't enough again for elite players!



07 Aug 2017 09:01:49
One thing I think is interesting from pre-season. Klopp didn't give people 90 mins at any point? In pretty much every game it was a full 11 change at half time.

Ed1 be interested to get your view point on whether this could be detrimental? I don't know but just thought it seemed unusual?


{Ed001's Note - it is odd but he was pushing them extremely hard in training, so they might not have made it through 90min anyway. It doesn't really matter too much, so long as they are fit enough when it starts properly and I am sure they have monitored it enough to ensure they are.

After all, you don't train for marathons by running marathons every week in the run up to one.}

1.) 07 Aug 2017 09:17:37
Good point ed, thanks for the input!

Have you caught many of the games? I think we've looked really bright and played some good teams along the way.

{Ed001's Note - no mate, not interested in friendlies, they give a false idea.}

2.) 07 Aug 2017 09:45:24
That may be true about friendlies, Ed but you have to say that our young boys look very promising, right?

{Ed001's Note - they always look promising, that is why they are in the academy. The difficult part is getting them to achieve their promise.}



12 Jul 2017 18:03:57
I see a lot of people losing their minds because our rivals are signing left right and centre and we're "dragging our heals". Let's look at this claim in a bit more detail:

Man City - came out of the blocks early with 2 signings about a month ago. NO SIGNINGS SINCE

Arsenal - signed kolsinac and lacazette. 2 signings so far for 1st team (1 more than us)

Chelsea - have signed no-one thus far with bakayoko imminent so 1 player

Utd - bought a cb and doubled 75mil on Lukaku who doesn't strengthen them from last season as he's just replacing the departing ibra


Everton - calm down everyone, they've signed a lot of people but it smacks of our days under Rodgers where we bought 6-7 people. If we signed the players they have so far you'd all be going crazy talking about mediocre signings. I think people are getting carried away more because of the price tags.

Not one single one of our targets has been signed elsewhere yet.

Remind me why people are losing it?


1.) 12 Jul 2017 19:34:59
We could do with a left, right and centre.

2.) 12 Jul 2017 19:59:07
87red totally agree well sed. It's not just our rivals who aren't making a move the whole of the premiership is quiet at the moment.

3.) 12 Jul 2017 20:58:04
I think it has gone quiet because those involved in transfers aren't quite sure of just how much prices have gone up. We were lucky to get Salah done early and at a relatively reasonable price. But now, with Everton looking to sign Sigurdsson for 50-60 mil- can anyone really put a price on a player with a reasonable degree of certainty?

4.) 12 Jul 2017 21:10:09
Am I the only one who thinks Lukaku is an improvement on Ibra?

5.) 12 Jul 2017 21:35:44
Lukaku strengthens manU no doubt. I get the doubt given his record. but he has a far better goal scoring record than any striker we have. And perhaps if we had him banging in goals vs the lower table teams we'd have had a few titles.
Also that he is "merely" replacing zlatan is really strengthening them cos it basically ensures they aren't weakened by his departure. Its a great signing for me and I think his game and his maturity now will be a good match for mourinho.

6.) 12 Jul 2017 22:26:03
Chelsea have signed Rutiger btw. Besides they are the Champions and Spurs have basically finished top two last two seasons. Compared to us they don't need to improve, but they will sign players.

Utd and City have improved their squad. We finished fourth by a point, if you don't think the two signings Arsenal have made wouldn't give them that extra point you're wrong.

Everton are making massive strides and addressed the areas they were weakest.

We've been weakest at full back and defence for a while and this hasn't been addressed. So the other six around are getting better while we stand still. Salah will not make us a guarantee 4th. If it stays as is we're battling Everton and no doubt a surprise side for 6th.

7.) 12 Jul 2017 22:29:41
Zlatan + Rooney > Lukaku.



05 Jul 2017 12:15:27
To break away from the usual banter.

Just seen a piece on Sami Hyypia on lfctv. WHAT AN ABSOLUTE PLAYER!

And he cost 2mil - wrap your heads around that?!

Stephane Henchoz was one hell of a player too. Back four of babbel, Sami, henchoz and carra - not sure we'll see a back 4 as solid as that again for quite some time.


{Ed025's Note - great player 87, if he was playing today he would be worth £70m, mind you liverpool would probably offer £10m.. :)

1.) 05 Jul 2017 12:47:35
And end up paying 100m.

2.) 05 Jul 2017 12:48:03
Henchoz wasn't great mate. Hypia was fantastic though. I was in the kop at his last game. We haven't replaced him yet. Although matip looks good so far.

3.) 05 Jul 2017 12:53:53
Isn't it rumoured he was signed after a fan recommended him in a pub?

4.) 05 Jul 2017 12:34:49
Sami was excellent but he was also slow which means the system arafa played suited him. He would be brutally exposed under Klopp!

5.) 05 Jul 2017 12:36:32
Wrong ed025, the club would first try to tap him up and once when they are successful would bid £10m to piss everyone off!

{Ed025's Note - i forgot about that shayan.. :)

6.) 05 Jul 2017 14:18:58
Harry, if hyypia was still playing you'd be moaning why klopp hadn't paid 60 mil to sort out the defensive issues!

7.) 05 Jul 2017 14:20:02
What a fantastic set of names. When you compare them to our current line-up, it's depressing lol.

8.) 05 Jul 2017 15:45:37
Koeman and John Terry were slow but made up for it due to there excellent positional awareness. I recall koeman saying he would be disappointed if he had to make a slide tackle as he would be wrong positionally.

9.) 05 Jul 2017 16:24:53
Pace is Harry.

It's helpful but not a necessity if you know where to stand and read the game well.

Pace gets you out of trouble when you're caught out of position.

10.) 05 Jul 2017 16:59:33
CB's with a footballing brain, tactical intelligence, great anticipation and awareness are now a dying (if not a dead) breed. Players like Hyppia, Maldini, Henchoz, Babbel, Stefan Helmer, Jeurgen Kholer, Laurent Blanc and the list goes on, would lay waste to the CB's of today as these guys were not just great CB's, they were literally coaches on the pitch, doing all the organizing so the coach did not have to do much as these players were the extension of their managers.

11.) 05 Jul 2017 19:06:50
I've always said it. If you're a very good centre half, you don't need pace.



24 Jun 2017 09:43:50

Hope you're well mate. Could you do player profile on Salah please? Appreciate you're busy though.


{Ed001's Note - I will add it to my list, will be a while though as I have a lot to get through before that.}

1.) 24 Jun 2017 10:27:34
No worries. Thanks Ed.

2.) 24 Jun 2017 10:46:41
Nor do we need him.

3.) 24 Jun 2017 11:28:30
My post "nor do we need him" was for the above Aubameyang discussion I replied on wrong post.




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10 Aug 2017 16:59:59
Based on what josh? All that Brazilian league football you've watched? 🙄.




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09 Aug 2017 19:36:30
What? No comment from frankly?!




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09 Aug 2017 07:28:48
Can we stop with this 30 nonsense please!

Vidal is absolutely quality and could still be for another 3-4 years.

Xabi alonso was class up until he chose to retire at 34/ 35
Ibrahimovic still did well in toughest league at 33
Would you turn down Ronaldo, messi? Suarez (forgetting his antics for a moment)?

Robben? Ribery? Modric?




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25 Jul 2017 07:20:55
Max Meyer 100% has the talent to equal couts. My issue is that he is about 4 years away from getting there so would weaken us considerably in the short term.




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11 Jul 2017 16:21:20
Either Salah or Mane will be playing there.





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11 Aug 2017 08:31:33
Firmino would be starting anyway.




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11 Aug 2017 07:21:29
Nothing random about me josh.

I just call bullsh@t when I see it. Come clean, how many games have you watched him play?

I didn't even know Brazilian league football was aired on tv? Which channel? Does the 6 hour difference make it tricky to watch the games?




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10 Aug 2017 12:29:18
STEP 1) stop doing it

STEP 2) don't do it again

STEP 3) repeat steps 1 and 2.




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10 Aug 2017 12:27:44
that would make ZERO sense to do. shell out 70mil now and get the player next year? no thanks. if we're paying that sum (or potentially north) it has to be an immediate transfer.

this 10 mil on a young talented player who needs another year to develop outside of our first team.




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09 Aug 2017 14:01:15
No, you're very much a pessimist.