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1.) 20 Jun 2015 23:39:35
I wouldn't rule out the illuminati.



31 Jan 2014 11:36:22
The Guardian (no less) reporting that the redevelopment plans are moving forward apace.
Fingers crossed, there could be real progress this year, it all looks good to go if and when the demolition is done.
Only two owners, of four houses, still holding out.
Is that the two buy-to-let landlords that were supposedly going to sue the Council / LFC?
Maybe, just maybe, there will be spades in the ground before 2014 is out?

The Juicer



28 Dec 2013 11:16:29
Aspas out / on loan in January?
Heard anything ed001 or 002?

The Juicer

{Ed001's Note - not that I am aware of, it would seem highly unlikely considering our lack of options up top.}

1.) I too was seeking the views of the eds on aspas, if u don't think he will go what is his future then? Will his playing time now gradually increase? He wasn't playing before when fit despite an early goal spree in preseason so are we going to give him time and a chance and is he willing to be patient?

{Ed001's Note - it is still early days for him, I expect him to get a few more chances over the course of the season, but he was bought for the long term. I am told he is being worked hard to increase his strength, as there is a feeling he is too weak at the moment. I would think that will help him a lot, as I do agree that he seems far too weak at the moment and is easily knocked off the ball.}



08 Nov 2013 11:10:34
Looking like Sterling out on loan to Spain ed002?
One out, one in? {Ed002's Note - I understand that a loan is being considered as he wants more playing time. As to whether or not he will be moving to Spain I don't know. Options of a move to an EPL side are very limited.}

The Juicer

1.) 08 Nov 2013 12:05:21
I don't know if it happens very often but do Dutch sides ever show an interest in loaning in young English players? Its a great league for young players to develop in.

YNWAdam {Ed002's Note - Dutch clubs take players on loan as do clubs of other countries. I suspect the Championship might make a more likely destination.}

2.) 08 Nov 2013 12:46:32
If that is the case Ed, I'd like to see him at QPR. It is the club he started his career at, and its flying high in the league. My main reason though is because of who is the manager. Harry Redknapp has this incredible ability to bring the best out of wingers. Bale, Townsend and Lennon being the best examples. I mean if he can make Lennon play well, he can get Sterling firing! Any chance we could see some interest from QPR as they look to maintain their title push?

YNWAdam {Ed002's Note - I really have no idea - the world does not revolve around a Liverpool kiddie.}

3.) 08 Nov 2013 16:54:33
Out of interest Ed002, why is a loan to an EPL side unlikely? {Ed002's Note - As I said, options of a move to an EPL side are very limited - many who might consider the kid are already covered as their loan slots are taken up.}

4.) 08 Nov 2013 18:25:42
Ah, thanks Ed. There was me thinking it was something heinous!



21 Oct 2013 11:12:47
Heard anything on Derby County's reported interest in taking Andre Wisdom on loan?
And will he go to play centre back (his best position)? {Ed002's Note - It is likely the loan will happen. I don't know where he will be used.}

The Juicer

1.) 21 Oct 2013 12:05:51
Would this have to wait until January Eds? I don't really know how these loan windows work in the Championship.

YNWAdam {Ed001's Note - Derby can take him on an emergency loan for up to 3 months.}




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04 Jan 2018 14:59:24
Here's an interesting conundrum - when and where would you start Van Dijk?
He's obviously been bought to go in the first XI, so it's a matter of when and not if.
The Everton game tomorrow - a cup match, Liverpool at home and may see most of the possession so Everton would look to hit on the counter or set pieces, so VVD could go well?
Let him bed in and possibly away at Swansea instead?

The Juicer

1.) 04 Jan 2018 15:02:08
Man City Game.

2.) 04 Jan 2018 15:13:11
I have been told he will be involved in some way or another tomorrow.

3.) 04 Jan 2018 15:17:06
He cost £75m. He better be starting after a week of training! It's not like he plays a position which is highly variable from system to system. Just hold a good line, don't lose your man, and don't lose any 50/ 50 challenges the only position where your role is less complicated than being a centre back in a back 4, is goal keeper! Your job is to stop the round thing going into the rectangle thing, by any means necessary. Simples.

Who cares if he's match fit? I've worked my jaw muscles more over Christmas than my legs, and i could still keep up with Wayne Rooney.

4.) 04 Jan 2018 15:30:21
Depends on his fitness and his performances in training for me, if he seems to have adapted to our system quickly then chuck him in straight away.

5.) 04 Jan 2018 15:53:59
Virgil will start tomorrow. But I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't start. He probably won't start. Knowing Jurgen though, Virgil may not even play tomorrow.

6.) 04 Jan 2018 16:18:39
RBL, it'll be hilarious if he now comes on as a sub (the only scenario you've not included) so you're still wrong 😂.

7.) 04 Jan 2018 17:17:58
Adapts to our system? What system?



07 Jul 2016 08:36:25
And Ed002 question please -
How is the Chinese football venture progressing, and do you see it being successful in the short - mid term?

Related to that, we've seen the Chinese recently acquire interest in Italian football to add to other European football assets; do you see them moving into English football (not sure if they have some shares in Man Utd already? ) and, if so, any candidates?

Many thanks.

The Juicer

{Ed002's Note - This is my explanation that I wrote about what is happening:

Since China opened up it has thrown a massive potential market in to the mix for professional sports (not just football, but there are other growth sports as well) and a number of Chinese companies see the potential for significant income form the game. Chinese money is already flooding through football with ownership and/or investment in clubs as diverse as Inter Milan, Espanyol, Den Haag, Sochaux, Aston Villa, Milan, Atletico Madrid, Slavia Prague and significantly, City Football Group. City of course owns Manchester City, New York City, Yokohama F Marino and Melbourne City - and are looking to expand in to China and South America. For years the professional game in China was under a cloud of corruption (including match-fixing) and the Chinese, and to be fair FIFA, have worked very hard to resolve the issues. The game is on the up there and they have the money to pretty much do what they want. They now a shift will be coming in Europe and I would expect to see further investment in European sides - there is one organization looking hard at Germany and another already successful in buying in to Italy. They of course have to work within certain legal ownership frameworks and that will restrict investment in certain countries. Do not be surprised to see another English side be taken over by Chinese owners in the not too distant future. Meanwhile, the profile of the game at home is increasing and the market to be tapped significant. I spent several months in Hong Kong working in both 1988 and again in 1990 and it was clear then that the mainland needed a step change and it could get leverage over so much - since then that has happened. Six months working out of Beijing in 2005 (until they pretty much forced me out) showed that changes were happening - since then I understand from colleagues who do visit that it has moved on a lot.

In terms of my personal view:

The Chinese are intent on cleaning up their act and want to promote sport within a nation that has only recently fully opened their doors to the outside world. There is a significant shift in wealth to the Far East and in particular China. They will invest and build in their own leagues and they will go to other parts of the world to learn. Chelsea has lost one player to China and has had an approach about a second. Other players from the EPL will follow with at least one Manchester City and at least one Liverpool player having opportunities in China for next season. This then leads to potential movement of players within the consortia (as Udinese has done with Watford) and that is something we will see more of. They will learn from the mistakes of others and they will soon be looking to add coaching capabilities by recruiting from other leagues. It is progress - like it or not.}

The coming years will see lots of changes. You know about the pan-European breakaway proposals, well there is going to be a counter-proposal backed by UEFA to try and save their own skin which is soon to be tabled (at the end of August to the "elite" clubs and in December to everyone else). There will be more global City Football Group style collectives appearing. There will be growth in China. And so it goes.

It is 20% of the City Group that is Chinese owned.}

1.) 07 Jul 2016 09:44:58
Great read Ed.

2.) 07 Jul 2016 10:18:43
Top reply Ed, really interesting reading! Thanks for the time and effort you put inti the site, it is appreciated!

3.) 07 Jul 2016 10:51:05
Not just football or sports in general, but other industries as well, i. e. movies etc. There are lots of current Hollywood blockbuster movies being produced or financed by Chinese companies. They really have the monies.

4.) 07 Jul 2016 10:57:23
Yes, thanks for that Ed002.
I understand that you don't want to speculate on FSG's possible plans.
One final question if I may though (or one of the other Eds) - is there much potential income for the PL from television rights in China, or has that been maxed out already?

{Ed002's Note - It is part of the colelctive package.}

5.) 07 Jul 2016 09:17:57
Very very interesting Ed002.
Is there a political aspect to the Chinese growth i. e. is it part of a much larger 'grand plan'?

In terms of Liverpool's ownership going forward, I think possibly FSG have thrown everything on the Klipperty Klopp horse at present and after that, it becomes uncertain. If Klopp were to attain success and get CL football back, it could make a sell-off more likely and the Chinese could be a possible target?
Any thoughts, or is the new move UEFA idea likely to change things also?

{Ed002's Note - No, it is not a smokescreen for any political scheme. Any sale of the club has nothing to do with who the manager is.}



02 Sep 2015 11:59:09
The latest piece of proof that FSG are wrong for this club -
they want the flag wavers on the Kop to sign i'd forms and be issued with badges.
Any unauthorised banners will not be allowed.
You just couldn't make it up.
Next stop, hot dog vendors walking between the aisles.

The Juicer

1.) 02 Sep 2015 12:36:54
I used to have a Beano fan club badge, Gnasher and had rolling eyes and fur. Fingers crossed for similar

2.) 02 Sep 2015 14:07:46
Sounds like you're still a paid up member MR. What was that supposed to mean ?

3.) 02 Sep 2015 14:30:45
Hey tetchy. I'm sarcastically agreeing with you. I had badges when I was a kid, it's a stupid thing they're asking if true and as it's almost pathetic let it be some garish pathetic badge as well.

And yes I'm probably still a member of the Beano club, yes probably as I don't recall cancelling it and it was a one off fee no repeat subscription.

4.) 02 Sep 2015 15:00:57
I think the club released a statement regarding that. They said that poles that are used to hold up the flag can be used as weapons and that is why they are banning it. badges are perhaps a way to keep track of people who bring potential weapons (I know, no one wants to sue it like a weapon, it's a pole!). It's a premier league rule I think, and the club has no choice but to enforce it I think?

5.) 02 Sep 2015 16:01:16
Yeah because we all know there has been a horrendous problem at Liverpool with fellow home fans getting attacked by flag waving hooligans, AG right ?
Not having a go at you btw, but this is just ridiculous.

6.) 02 Sep 2015 18:14:25
Im with max renn. I too had a gnasher badge and probably do somewere in the loft still. Haha

7.) 02 Sep 2015 19:29:04
No problem man. I thought the PL was asking clubs to do these things.



24 Aug 2015 04:59:27
Ed001 / BB
Interesting listen, many thanks.
Rodgers - Gandalf or Saruman, I like that.
I can see both sides to this.
Waro has posted in the past about Rodgers throwing his staff under a bus. Possibly.
Ultimately though it is not about individuals, players or otherwise, it is the club.
Have the staff changes benefitted the club ?
Time will tell, but consensus at present seems to be that the new coaching set-up is a positive move.
If that remains the case, Rodgers' decision was justified.
And, indeed, it may be a benefit that the club reaps even if Rodgers were to go this season.

On the subject of being ruthless ; Lucas.
My opinion is that his zenith as a player was probably under Kenny. He was in tremendous form until that bad injury at Chelsea. I don't think that he has ever recovered to that level, nor will he.
He is on a downward projectory, but it's a matter of (a) how badly do Liverpool need the £6 - 9 million his transfer may bring in, and (b) if other players can cover, be it Can, Milner or Henderson inter-changing or, eventually, Rossiter being introduced ?
It sounds like his presence off the pitch would be missed too. Perhaps Rodgers may regret falling out with such a popular senior player, or is this another easing out of the 'old' Liverpool figures ?
Again, time will tell.

As ever in football, much depends on results. I was slightly lifted after I listened to this, so let's hope that continues this evening.
If not, no doubt the inquests will start again.
A boring 0-0 would do very nicely tonight !
Can't see it though. Benteke to score, but it's a matter of how many they get in return.
If Henderson is out, I don't fancy us to get anything.

The Juicer

{Ed001's Note - the reason Lucas has never been able to get back to his level is that he doesn't get the chance to. He should have played regularly from the moment he was fit, not sit and watch the game go by. When you have a bad injury you need to get your head right as well as your legs. He probably will never get back to his best now, but that is not Rodgers being ruthless for the right reasons, it was simply that he doesn't understand defending. He doesn't see a need for a defensive midfielder who protects the defence first and foremost, even though his beloved Barca have always coveted those players. There is a reason why the Dutch system never quite made that extra step to win the World Cup, it is because they emphasised ball retention as a defensive system, rather than having the pragmatism to accept that you can't keep the ball all the game. It doesn't matter if the other team only have 5% possession when your whole defensive system is wide open to them to just run straight through it. Football is a balance of attack and defence, you have to get that balance right to win trophies on a consistent basis.}

1.) 24 Aug 2015 06:20:27
Tonight Match ll be an exhibition of the need of a top class protector.

2.) 24 Aug 2015 08:56:24
Or just a case of too many of the same in our mid . Can Lucas Milner Henderson are all very one paced and limited in their ability . Need a varied mid . Pace passing etc . Arsenal will be incisive tnite . Couqelane(spelling) ozil Ramsey cazorla Sanchez provide energy pace movement creativity . It's chalk and cheese

3.) 24 Aug 2015 11:31:17
Players like torres prove that game time doesbt always get you back to were to u need to be.

Lucas won't ever get his pace back that's for certain, he is still a good player and should still be used but he won't return to prechelsea.

For the record though he has had quote a few runs in the team under Rodgers and the majority of them has ended in injury.

I think he believes he needs someone thete and he would rather shoe horn someone in than player what you would call an injury prone player.

Obviously sturridge contradicts the above with regards to injury prone players getti ng teams built around them, although this summer's purchases suggest sturridge might not have a guaranteed place, even ed2 alluded that if he gets back to full fitness we might look to move him on.

For the record I love lucas but just trying ti put another side of why Brendan doesbt play him.

4.) 24 Aug 2015 12:02:33
Interesting that you mention the past Dutch side ed.
Total Football, now there was a system that BR would have loved.
Players interchanged positions virtually all over the pitch, but everyone of them was so comfortable on the ball.
Ajax won three European Cups in a row on the strength of it, and lost two World Cup Finals to successive host teams.
I think LFC of that period did adapt some of that thinking, as half the side could / did play in numerous positions all over the park.

Then there was the West Germans, with their sweeper system.
This served them well, domestically and internationally, for at least two generations.
Its modern equivalent would be the deep lying playmaker, an idea that BR seems to favour more.

It's funny how all these things come round again, I smile sometimes when I am reading the posts. Shankly talked of 4-3-3 forty or fifty years ago.
Anyway, what I am sensing a little now may be O'Driscoll's pragmatic influence on BR - it's not so much about adhering to a system as playing with a system that suits the players you have.
But can you imagine Liverpool with Snachez and Kovacic ?

{Ed001's Note - if only.}

5.) 24 Aug 2015 13:00:39
Kovacic and Sanchez would have made us pretty close to title chasing team. Milner is paid quite high and wanted the CM role, let's see if he really deserves it tonight.

6.) 24 Aug 2015 14:34:22
Dutch teams of the seventies my favourite football teams and why I love football now.
It helps to have genius in the team though.Plus they all looked like really cool looking tough hippies. Brendan I suggest is a bit young to remember those teams so is just making stuff up as usual.

I would be delirious with a draw tonight



16 Aug 2015 17:15:08
I'm going to raise a couple of points from the podcast and invite replies from readers :

1. Rodgers doesn't watch the youth players - have a look at the LFC website. There are 27 x Academy employees in an independent set-up. It costs a million odd quid to run, so I guess that most of those costs are wages.
Don't you suppose that Rodgers meets the Academy Director and U21 / U18 Managers on a regular basis to discuss progress ?
Promising kids are invited into the First Team Squad, so there is a clear pathway there.
It's the next leap that the issue occurs.
That and the recruitment of new players that interferes with introducing youth players. So recruitment is a problem.

2. Rodgers doesn't watch or check new players - he will obviously be aware of British players so that is not a problem. But European / global players, is he supposed to travel the planet checking out potential players ?
Haha, we're not talking about Geoff Twentyman in his car driving around northern Britain here.
If you say Rodgers should fly wherever, how many times suffices ; once, twice three times ?
That's the scouts job. So again a recruitment problem.

3. And finally there is the FSG policy, of age and price. Fit that into the above conundrum.

Rodgers is what he is. A young, inexperienced manager in relative terms. If you want to sack him for being inexperienced, fine. Ask FSG why they employed him.

I think that the scouting function is too hit and miss, and the process of getting in fringe youth players is lazy.
I'm not sure that these things should be laid solely at the manager's door.

The Juicer

1.) 16 Aug 2015 17:25:51
The role of the manager in 2015 isn't what t used to be at the very top level.
For comparison I'd like to know how much Mourinho, Ancellotti and Guardiola watch the youth players and scout their own signings.
Then any criticism would at least be more objective.

2.) 16 Aug 2015 17:28:50
Errr, I could agree on point 2. mate, though I believe the problem mentioned was more like the lack of background checks.
However, not watching the youth setups and the PLAYERS ON LOAN is a bad move for the manager. There is no way there could be complete communication between the academy staff and the manager, as they work in different levels. THe eds have mentioned that the academy staff have been pushing forward players that BR refused to play. Fair play if he had bothered to actually watch the lads and gain a complete undderstanding of their abilities, but he didn't. Also, it would be a huge boost for the youth players to know that the first team manager is monitoring them.
He isn't. Same with loan players.

3.) 16 Aug 2015 17:38:21
To be fair aswell he's just been shown in the crowd at the city Chelsea game , perhaps he's listened to the podcast

4.) 16 Aug 2015 17:48:23
All the managers you've mentionef Ron work under sporting directors who will do much of the recruitment work. Rodgers wants all the responsibility but can't be arsed to do the work. He'd rather woo his bit on the side or run a property empire.

5.) 16 Aug 2015 17:57:00
Drigan, fair points.
The youth players do get invited in to the first team squad, there are a number in it already. But the log jam occurs there. That and the haphazard loan arrangements, as you mentioned.
This is partly down to Rodgers, he could throw some of the kids in more. Let's see if any get a chance this year.
But whose job is it to manage the loanees ?
Youth Development ?
First Team Manager ?
Perhaps the eds could advise on this. We know Chelsea employ liason staff, but who oversees them ?

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea has a structure that means there are regular meetings with the management team about the progress that the loanees are making.}

6.) 16 Aug 2015 18:19:20
Who actually does the leg work ed002, finds and allocates specific teams to the loanees. I can't imagine Jose spending hours on the phone doing this ?

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea already have a formal relationship with a number of sides in Europe and in Brazil. Meetings are ongoing with a French side to also build a relationship. Typically the Technical Director handles most of this.}

7.) 16 Aug 2015 18:50:40
Brendan definitely listened to the podcast :)

8.) 16 Aug 2015 19:17:34
Could he be learning Benny ? I'm sure he knows it's last chance saloon, has someone had a long chat with him because to be fair I can't remember seeing him at other matches doing his homework ( not that that's proof of anything ) .I really hope so because it can only benefit us in the long run .

{Ed001's Note - O'Driscoll is old school and likes to watch future opponents when possible, while Rodgers preferred to use analysts.}

9.) 16 Aug 2015 20:06:55
If BR can't be arsed to do the D
OF part of his job on this issue, he should leave it to a true DOF to do or take a hike. He ants the job but couldn't be arsed to do the job. Pathetic work ethic!

10.) 16 Aug 2015 21:29:06
Some interesting points raised. My opinion.
1, Rodgers doesn't watch the kids. the suggestion is that he doesn't. Is the 27 staff he meets with an excuse not to? No. I think it shows he doesn't acknowledge seeing these players in a match situation as important.
2, does he need to scout players. Yes! For example, Watching video only shows what the cameraman wants to show. Movement off the ball is one of the basic things not covered in this. Is he supposed to travel the planet watching players? I think that is an obvious answer. The scouts do there job identifying players then the manager who lives or dies by signings makes the final decision. Otherwise Rodgers might as well work under the DoF that he was initially asked to do. He either wants full control or he doesn't?
3, FSG policy? If as suggested in point 2, this is the responsibility of the scouts, why has this point been raised? But. Has Rodgers bought into this policy?Does Rodgers have a policy? Ilori may disagree!
I think Rodgers joins a distinct list of people honoured to manage players and clubs whose ability are greater than their own!




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17 Jan 2018 15:01:35
BBC Radio Merseyside are re-running a 2012 interview with LFC's first 'sweeper keeper' Tommy Lawrence at 6.00pm tonight.
RIP The Flying Pig.

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13 Jan 2018 11:03:40
VDV that's good point. There's no doubt that Can is acting in a professional manner despite his apparent eagerness to leave. But he's ran his contract down nevertheless and that will cost the club - £25 million plus easily?

If he'd been a nob, but had signed a contract and we ended up getting a good fee for him, would that be worse?

RBL are getting good money for him, they can't moan.
It's what players do now - Keita, Coutinho, VVD, Suarez - they can all cause problems in various ways.

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12 Jan 2018 05:15:49
Ah but you see Benny B, if Griezmann were signed that would would surely mean that we're going to sell Salah at a *huge* profit in the Summer, also thus providing funds for Lemar.
You heard it here first.

But seriously, I rate Solanke and hope that he gets more game time in the coming months.
I can't ever see Griezmann at Liverpool but, then again, I never thought we'd get Klopp.

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10 Jan 2018 08:31:05
SG / Ed001, your point is redundant though in that became clear all along that Coutinho would depart. There was always going to be a balance of finances.
Which is fair enough, that's fine.
But FSG's reign has been characterised by huge inconsistency and losing your star man (and he was, not Salah or Mane) and not quickly replacing him would be just up their street.

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10 Jan 2018 07:32:24
SG, if you think that there would have been a £75 million + hole in the FSG coffers for the VVD signing without a balancing Coutinho departure, well. that's up to you.
This is the regime, remember, that left us with just one first team striker for half a season before they struck lucky on Sturridge.
Except that the stakes have now gone up significantly.
This is not an anti-FSG rant, just that they have form when it comes to these things.
Klopp does't hold the purse strings.

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09 Jan 2018 17:28:27
He's still cooking on gas!

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02 Jan 2018 10:56:40
Yes, that is a shame.
A spot of promotion for Mr Gerrard perhaps though?

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27 Dec 2017 19:57:14
You didn't add a
6. Who will be the outs, to balance up the outlay on Van Dijk?
Can, Sturridge, Markovic?
I hope that Coutinho and Salah aren't sold (yet) ; that would be typical FSG - one step forward, one step back.

However, fair play to them for getting this done. We've got a very decent team in the making.

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Change your name to Matip is boss, because he was.
At last, progress in the central defence.
Good performance and unlucky not to win.

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23 Aug 2016 12:15:21
Which opponent though would Lucas be brought in for?
These teams that sit back and break at speed, particularly at Anfield, are exposing a situation where Liverpool has two slow central defenders pushed slightly up and then an equally slow Lucas sat in front.
The results are plain to see, and happening time and again.

Every team in the Prem has flying machines in their front three now, and Liverpool haven't seemingly woken up to this yet.
Our quick full backs are encouraged to push on, leaving a defensive guard that can't deal with pace and movement.
And putting Can back there is no answer either.

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