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08 Jan 2018 09:38:12
Any news on club planning to offer new contract to firmino? I hear he gets 60 odd. Anyone know when the contract is expiring?


1.) 08 Jan 2018 10:15:36
No idea how true it is, but i read he gets a base salary of £68k a week, plus a £45k bonus per goal.

2.) 08 Jan 2018 10:18:12
I mentioned a few months back he wants to stay longer, not sure what’s happening now.

3.) 08 Jan 2018 10:28:39
Coutinho is a player we did not want to lose. Firmino is a player we cannot afford to lose. Keep this one happy at all costs I say.

4.) 08 Jan 2018 10:37:00
Christ! How must they manage on that pittance?

5.) 08 Jan 2018 10:55:34
My favorite player in the squad, even though I tend to swear in front of the TV when he misses some shots :D.

6.) 08 Jan 2018 11:15:31
Why would anyone ask that on the back of the FA investigation this week following the Derby?!?! I hardly think it’s priority number one right now!

7.) 08 Jan 2018 11:25:06
Its priority no. one right now to make sure your important players are tied down to a long term contract and are happy.

The investigation is just a formality. The real investigation should be how holgate did see red for that push.

8.) 08 Jan 2018 11:55:13
Fair enough PakRed. I can’t believe he wasn’t sent off or even get a yellow either, but subject to the outcome the dust would have to settle first before the thorny issue of a contract is approached.

{Ed002's Note - Firmino is contracted until 2020.}

9.) 08 Jan 2018 12:05:01
But in the end, how good is a long term contract. Both Suarez and Coutinho had been handed new improved and extended contracts multiple times. If a player wants out, he will eventually get on, one way or another. The only difference is that we can ask a higher price. I thinkbthe only way to avoid, or limit these enforcements, is to put in a sanctnificant sanction or fine for the player, if he mistreats his contract in a certain aspecs. But what "worldstar" would sign such deal, properly noone. Sometimes I would like football to have a draft system like in the NBA or NFL. Player prices and buyout clauses should be capped and priced by evaluation.

10.) 08 Jan 2018 12:53:20
I think these long terms contracts mean little regarding the player actually staying with the club, however, they do ensure the club gets top dollar when the player goes.

11.) 08 Jan 2018 13:27:05
Mk I think that was misinterpreted when he let mane score rather than tap it in, as he was due a bonus with his next goal!

12.) 08 Jan 2018 15:40:53
We should offer new terms asap for the player 2020 is not that far away.



25 Aug 2016 11:09:45
Reports linking us with Charlie Taylor of Leeds. Is there any truths to this ed?

I read a little bit on him and he's a left back who can also play left wing. Is on the last year of his contract and has handed over a transfer request.


{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any approach from Liverpool but both West Brom and Middlesbrough have spoken with Leeds about Mr Taylor.}

1.) 26 Aug 2016 16:01:05
LFC are not signing a LB this window. Expect Balo and some of the squad players to move on before end of the window. Perhaps a holding midfielder/ deep lying midfielder is the only possibility of anything coming in.


2.) 28 Aug 2016 02:43:55
I hear that Lucas leiva is a great holding mid. Should be pretty cheap too.



23 Oct 2014 09:00:07
Eds just read on metro that liverpool have lodged a 31.2 million bid for higuain? it doesn't say 'interested in' it says bid lodged, any truth to this?


{Ed002's Note - They are teasing you. No offer has been made. Liverpool might well be one of the interested clubs if he is made available for sale.}

1.) Yes that is a bid odd, although i'm not sure if higuain is such a good idea as you hear that he is a very lazy player.

I think we need a player like lavezzi who can have similar effects as suarez in terms of work rate and inspiring others. I know he is not a very good finisher but people forget that suarez early in his pool career was all huff and puff and not great finishing, so maybe rodgers can help lavezzi with that

2.) JOURNALIST: BR, BR, how do you plan on helping your defense get back to any sort of form.

BR: I'll tell you how sir. MORE STRIKERS!




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20 Jan 2020 08:27:08
So i am not going to assume we are winning the title. I will be like the team and take it game by game.

What I want to say is with how great this team is, individually and as a group and the mentality that has been instilled, it would be a shame if we do not win the lot. League, Champion's League and FA cup.

I think the team and the coach understand that and so they do not want standards to drop period.

One bad game or draw won't matter in the league but they do not want to deal with the effect it could carry to other competitions.


1.) 20 Jan 2020 11:19:17
We won’t win the FA Cup Pak purely because we will play a weakened team throughout the competition.
The other 2 are there for the taking though. A third CL final in a row is a massive, massive ask but this team is more than capable.

2.) 20 Jan 2020 16:07:13
When you say it like that BP, 3 finals in a row. It seems statistically difficult. But the first two were made and its about can this Liverpool team make the final this year and I think we have a massive shout. In fact, I think it's hard to bet against us.

3.) 20 Jan 2020 17:04:27
We certainly have a shout Robbie of course we are probably the best team in the competition. Added to that Klopp is still unbeaten in two legged football since he joined us so we should be confident.
I just feel like a spoilt brat after what we’ve done over the last 2 years to still expect more! 😂.

4.) 20 Jan 2020 19:28:17
Beckers I feel we could have a good chance to win the FA Cup depending what klopp wants to prioritise whether it be records or the cup. Shrewsbury away should be easy with a weakened team. But we have players back from injury that will want game time. After that the next round is over a month away by which time we could be 3 or 4 games away from the league. At which point you could start to invest more in the fa cup. As well as CL.

5.) 20 Jan 2020 19:38:54
I do not put a third CL final beyond this lot of Mental Monsters, lads. Not in the least bit. It will be tough, not doubt BUT if any team can esp. with the type of hell Anfield can unleash on visiting teams, it is Klopp's Red Arrows.

As for the FA Cup, play the kids and let them gain experience cos like it or not, Klopp intends to fast-track the good ones to the fist team.

6.) 21 Jan 2020 00:58:02
If we take care of Shrewsbury and get another nice draw then suddenly we're in the latter rounds of the cup, by which time I expect us to be closing in on the league. Fa cup is weekend matches not an extra midweek fixture distraction, we can play stronger teams in this situation if we have a healthy squad.

Regarding champions league I see us as the favourites and much stronger than our previous 2 campaigns because right now the big teams like Barca, Madrid, Bayern, juve or city are all showing vulnerability this season and we are the only top team currently at peak of our powers and especially strong over 2 legs. Even the next tier of quality with likes of spurs, Chelsea, Atletico Madrid, Dortmund etc aren't enjoying consistency or form. I think we couldn't have a better chance to assert our dominance and create history if we just continue to stay as focused as we've been to date.
Remember last season we fought a title battle to the death while going for Europe too. Hopefully league comfort may let us have the chance to shift focus to cup plans in coming months.



12 Dec 2019 10:09:37
Eds do you think we need covering at full back in winter window? preferably someone who can play both side or if not then a left back.

Or do you think Klopp is thinking of youth to fill in if needed? i felt that way in the beginning of the season but i have yet to see any youth team players in match day squad and getting some minutes.


{Ed001's Note - well if we haven't needed to go to the youth yet then that suggests we have enough.}



15 Nov 2019 09:36:43
Since we are going through yet another horrible intl break thought i'd ask a couple of interesting questions from the forum here.

So if you could rewatch one match live without recollection of the final result which one would you want to relive?

I can't chose between the Barcelona comeback in the semi final 18/ 19 and the Final against Milan 05.

Barca 4 nil maybe edges it since its so fresh.


1.) 15 Nov 2019 10:03:38
2005 final no question!

2.) 15 Nov 2019 13:56:59
The game against Milan in 2005 was the worse game to watch apart from those 6 minutes. I know the result is was counts and we won the Champs League but it was just painful holding on and that first half.

I’m choosing the Barcelona game last year because it was 90 minutes of joy. As soon as the first goal went in we were always going to get the result.

3.) 15 Nov 2019 15:34:54
Istanbul. Mainly because I drove there with 3 friends and the entire experience was just incredible - to be able to relive that would be phenomenal.

4.) 15 Nov 2019 18:34:39
Got to be BARCELONA for me, this generations ST. ETIENNE.
If any of the EDDS r around,
What do you make of the statement that the club have put out about the CARABAO CUP. if you purchase a ticket to go to VILLA you will not get a loyalty creditation for future league cup games, because the club think it’s not fair on the supporters who are going the CLUB WORLD CUP and would lose a creditation. THIS ABSOLUTELY STINKS, if fans are taking the time and effort to go to support the team the least they deserve is a creditation, why don’t they give creditation to CWC and EFL CUP. this is a closed shop how do we get on the first rung of the ladder.

{Ed002's Note - It will be to support those folks who had already purchased tickets for the CWC in Qatar that would not get credit for attending the League Cup game. I would not worry sbout it.}

5.) 15 Nov 2019 18:45:41
Barcelona 4-0 UNBELIEVABLE.

6.) 15 Nov 2019 21:18:02
Istanbul without question, best night of my life!

7.) 15 Nov 2019 21:46:31
Clearly the Barcelona game, even though I watched the Istanbul game live (on tv) . We were bigger underdogs at Anfield and almost no one gave us a chance of overturning the deficit from the first leg, let alone have a clean sheet by the end. Winning against Barca, despite not having Firmino and Salah, was like playing Istanbul without Gerrard and Alonso. That Milan team at Istanbul was full of "Galacticos", but I believe we were weaker at Anfield, and the odds for a loss were greater. And yet we played them completely off the park.

8.) 15 Nov 2019 21:39:03
I am worried about it ED002,how do u break in to this CLOSED SHOP, I’m trying to break in and when the opportunity arises to build up your loyalty creditation, the club denies it u. it absolutely STINKS.

{Ed002's Note - The club took a decision to honour those who booked early to head to the CWC - at is at a trivial expense of some folk who are looking to attend the Aston Villa game. It is not a closed shop at all. The club would have grief if it went the other way. The fans need to demand the club be less successful to go back to the days when problems like this did not occur. It also appears you may want to buy a new keyboard as the caps lock key is getting stuck on.}

9.) 16 Nov 2019 18:54:37
Sorry aray, bigger underdogs against barca? Fully expected us to score 4 past them they aren't the team they were, the clean sheet part seemed hard to imagine before the game, but that ac Milan team sheet gave me nightmares before 2005, I enjoyed the Barcelona game much more because we dominated in long spells but in instanbul, with the gulf in quality between the 2 sides, I still find it unbelievable the boys pulled it off.

10.) 17 Nov 2019 14:04:19
The Barcelona 4-0 game, for sure.



12 Nov 2019 10:37:12
Is henderson evolving? he basically been playing Rm / Rw in some game and we've had a goal and assist in the past three games.

It just shows what competition of places can do. Ox was scoring so hendo has to step up and im glad he is because he is.

Gini has score, Fab has scored, Millner has scored, Lallana has scored, everyones chipping in.


1.) 12 Nov 2019 12:28:11
Hendos always had a great whipped cross in from the right hand side IMO, much like Gini has always had the ability to score get into the box and score goals, I think the big difference is Klopp is now letting them go forward more with Fabinho looking increasingly capable capable of controlling the rest of midfield on his own.

2.) 12 Nov 2019 14:42:02
Spot on, SGRed. Hendo played several seasons at Sunderland and his first season at LFC as a wide right midfielder. I In the 13/ 14 season, Hendo did most of his damage again on the right in a 4-4-2 diamond as well. It was Klopp who made him a no. 6 cos he was the best player available to play that role at the time. It was later on last season that Klopp put him back on the right of midfield and well, we know the rest. he is not evolving, IMO.

IMO, Hendo is just back to his natural position. Like they say, it's like riding a bike. You cannot un-learn what you are naturally good at. You can only be a bit rusty at it.

{Ed001's Note - he did not play wide right only at Sunderland, he mostly played central. He is naturally a central midfielder who got asked to play wide because he has excellent technique to deliver crosses.}

3.) 12 Nov 2019 19:21:23
Ah, thanks a lot for the tip, Ed01. I just mentioned that cos that is where I predominantly saw him play at Sunderland between to 2009 to 2011 before he moved to us. I do remember a game he played with Sunderland where he was brilliant at the Etihad vs City, scoring a brilliant goal and offering a great right wing cross for Kenwyne Jones to score.

{Ed001's Note - he was moved around, but only because they were short of quality and needed to put him out of position. Bit like Trent getting into the team at right back or Rashford getting into the team at centre forward when neither played there in the youth teams.}



01 Nov 2019 10:34:08
Do we know when Origi's statue goes up outside Anfield?

Jokes apart what a story this guys is. He was down and out, worked so hard, manager backed him and scored two goals for us against Barcelona and one in the final.

Scored 2 goals again when chips were down against Arsenal midweek.

He may not be the best technical player we have but there is something about him, helps us out when we are down.


1.) 01 Nov 2019 14:39:47
He’s come up clutch a lot more times than that. Goals against Newcastle and Everton last season come to mind. He was heavily involved in our tie against Dortmund in the Europa a few seasons ago. The guy is clutch, he might not have the quality to rotate with the front 3 regularly but he’s definitely a vital squad player. I hope some day he pushes on and becomes a top striker, either for us or someone else.

2.) 01 Nov 2019 15:21:13
Divok is more effected down the middle. He isn't as good out wide imo. He's a big Direct fast lad, get him between the posts and he'll score goals.

3.) 01 Nov 2019 23:11:25
I've always been a Divvy fan and I am not surprised he has come good. The guy is a beast of a footballer and was already that in his teens. I remember Ed01 recounting a story where he was speaking to a Belgian coach/ scout about a then 14 year old Divock Origi and the guy said that Divvy would make it at the highest level cos he is super talented and had tremendous ability.

Already at 17, he was scoring goals at the 2014 WC and keeping Lukaku out of the team during the tournament. When he arrived here and at a certain period after Klopp had come in, he was keeping Studge out of the team and banging in goals at will. Then, hi form dipped and so did his confidence. But the kid never gave up. He kept playing, working hard and waiting for his chance and when it came, he grabbed it.

I am personally not arsed about him not having the same ability of the three amigos ahead of him. Why? Simple. If he were as good as here, he would NOT be here nor accept sitting on the bench. He has qualities the other guys don't possess (pace, power, height and physicality and is a better dribbler than the others, IMO), things that make him difficult to contain when on song. Ask Pique, Hummels, Mustafi etc. Just my opinion.

4.) 02 Nov 2019 06:17:40
Origi certainly pops up with huge goals in big moments but to say he offers pace, power and dribbling skills that salah and mane "don't possess" is clearly false, . Salah and mane are faster, stronger and up there with the world's best dribblers. Origi notches important goals but he scores more of a poacher/ first time shot kind of goal. He doesn't produce the kind of individual brilliance to make something happen out of nowhere like or other players do.

I like what origi can offer us in and around the box but to say he has those skills youve mentioned as an upgrade on our other forwards is not what he offers at all.

5.) 02 Nov 2019 11:55:14
His form didn't dip he was playing a blinder before he got injured badly playing against Everton just before the europa final in 2016, he has never got back to where he was.

6.) 02 Nov 2019 11:57:07
Har_red92, you make some valid points so allow me to deconstruct your opinion. When I say Origi is a better dribbler than say Salah, I mean that he has better dribbling skills for a guy as physically built as he is. I also disagree with the notion that Mane and Salah are better dribblers. Mane is a good dribbler cos he uses his body along with his dribbling to jink and wrong foot his opponents. Origi in terms of raw footwork and ability to roll the ball from left foot to right foot, step-overs and all, while in full flight, is not something Mane nor Salah do cos either they can't or that's not their game. Origi offers that.

You also say he does he does not come up with individual brilliance to make something happen. You mean, like he did vs Arsenal in the EFL Cup at Anfield? He offers that as well BUT may be not like the other three and I can agree with that BUT to say he can't is as you say, "Clearly false".

Also, Salah is a very strong player for his small stature BUT Origi is a beast when it comes to bullying CB's. I mean, he completely bullied the Arsenal CB's till they started dropping off him. I also remember when he completely destroyed Pique, Langlet, Hummels (vs BVB in both legs) as well John Stones in the derby. The others can't do that. Origi offers this.

And to finish, Origi scores different types of goals cos he can play in the center or out wide and can shoot with either foot (his heading needs a bit of work, tho), which the others can, I agree. I propose tat you watch a mashup of all his LFC goals on Youtube and you will see why. He is also lethal with either foot just like Mane BUT not Salah which is not a slight on Mo cos all left footers only use their right foot to step onto the bus and nothing more, lol.

These are my arguments as to what Origi offers and the other three amigos don't either cos it is not their game or they can'tand that is not a slight on them. After all, if Origi did not offer some things that are different, he would not be here. Keep it coming, man.

7.) 02 Nov 2019 13:25:09
Must agree with you on this Red Wolf, the kid definitely has something the other 3 don't have. When coming to natural dribbling skills I think he tops it for me but his final product hinders this. Naturally he seems to tick all the boxes for a striker (Patrick Klivert ) comes to mind. In the same breath it's important to to remember what the eds said how we play makes our players world class. Each compliments the other.

8.) 03 Nov 2019 00:03:08
I want to be clear first of all that I wasn't criticising origi in any way at all as I massively appreciate what he has given us and will hopefully continue to give us fans in terms of huge moments playing a part in our history.

My point Redwolf was more in debate to your view that you feel his pace, power and dribbling are superior to mane and salah.
I respect your opinion on that but if i petsonally had to pick a player to be in a footrace with a defender to a loose ball, or be facing a defender 1vs1 with the ball or be getting the ball with back to goal while jostling a CB I'd probably have Origi behind the other 2 players in each situation. I don't care if he can do a stepover or roll the ball from one foot to the other as he can't beat a man as regularly as mane or salah do without the need for flair. You mention him bullying a few named CBs but forget about the large amount salah and mane have destroyed.

I do think origi does bring strenghts that the others don't have but i feel youve left them out, his 4 big goals vs everton, barca, newcastle were all scored from around the 6 yard box, 2 of which were reactions to rebounds while the other 2 were set pieces, I think he offers that presence and has good poaching and reactions to balls around the goalmouth that we don't get as such from mane or salah. Without wanting to seem too critical as I'm just trying to be realistic his 2 goals vs arsenal were keeper howlers tbf and to say he's bullied barcas defence is a tad dramatic, in that Barcelona game he worked very hard but I remember seeing an analysis afterwards that showed he got only 30 touches of the ball, the lowest of anyone, he won 1 aerial duel and made 3 dribbles, had 2 shots or something along the lines of that. In fact it was mane that night who ran Barcelona ragged but Origi 2 crucial excellent instinctive goals overshadowed the fact he actually offered little threat in attack that night even though he was excellent in his pressing off the ball. I can't remember the Dortmund games in too much detail to remember how much he really bullied Hummels then and mustafi would get bullied by a toddler lol.

Again I'm not slating big div at all, I just think his strenghts that he has over our other 2 are different attributes that you allude to, I think he's strongest in a central area feeding on chances in the box and keeping CBs busy as opposed to taking on players, making things happen with pace or banging in goals from nothing.

Cool debate though and we all see the game through different eyes so I respect your opinion on how you see his style of play. I'm often proved wrong about players as 12 months ago I could only see a weak, incompent, defender in Joel matip and he's proved me gladly wrong.
I just see origi is still being too raw in certain parts of his game but I love the guy to bits no question haha.




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12 Dec 2019 10:49:23
Probably loaned back to Salzburg for the rest of the season.




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21 Oct 2018 13:07:50
Maybe against the smaller more stubborn teams we need to play shaqiri in stead of third misfielder.

We will click, there were moments in the past 2 and a half season with klopp where we would not click as an attacking team and lost or drew games. I think we were 9th after that second int break last season.

This season the defense is supporting when we aren't scoring 3-4 goals. The goals will come im not worried.




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09 Apr 2018 07:25:05
Xabi its probably best to judge him once he has a consistent run of games under his belt. I think he can be good for us if he gets game time.

The real question is who do you prefer is the squad striker, origi or Ings? its looking like wolfsburg will not retain his services next season.




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02 Apr 2018 12:50:40
We need to get ideally a CB a GK and CDM this summer. Worst case we need to get a CB and CDM.




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28 Mar 2018 10:17:48
Origi would be marketable for teams outside the top 3 leagues, francce or portugal?

Sad about sturridge and all that potential. he's on 120 too apparently and no one will be willing to pay that.

He could also end up pulling a van persie and be injury free next two years and bang the goals in.





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22 Jan 2020 10:44:36
Honestly though i think we will be selling Shaqiri in the summer and will bring in Timo Werner.

Klopp will look to freshen the team as it is necessary to do so for sustained success.

I also think we will sell Lovern and Lallana and get replacements for them two as well.




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06 Jan 2020 10:18:40
I just hope we can have Fabihno and one or the center backs back fit soon. Our Midfield and central defense have played a lot without any rest.

Glad VVD gets a 9 day break though.




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06 Jan 2020 10:07:44
Lets leave it to Klopp on whatever he wants to do. if he wants to play adrian on the right wing, I trust him and am ok with that too.




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15 Nov 2019 10:33:53
On this topic i would like to ask the Ed something.

Do you think the lack of goals (meaning lack of bucketload of goals) is because once we get into a winning position the team decreases its intensity and goes into game management mode? Higher intensity throughout the game could me risk of injury.

I know we've taken it to the wire with recent results (spurs, Leicester, villa) but as a general game plan i mean.


{Ed001's Note - no, it is because we miss too many chances.}



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15 Nov 2019 10:30:02
Salah has done nothing for us to feel he is going and needs to be replaced. I know there are talk from his agent at time and ex egypt players but its disrespectful for us to talk like this without any facts out there that he wants to leave.

Just today he's been hanging out with liverpool girls team which he doesn't have to do.

Stop having this conversation untill a need arises.

And the puzzle is complete. Trust in Klopp.