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21 Jul 2021 18:38:02
Reading in utter disbelief that Henderson maybe involved in a swap deal or not offered a new contract, on the pitch leaders are worth their weight in gold, if he’s sold how much 20 million as a 31 year old if we don’t offer a years extension to his contract then it’s utter madness.

Clee Red

1.) 21 Jul 2021 19:07:21
Totally agree with you there, Clee. Fortunately, so far, it just seems to be tabloid speculation, I wonder if its his agent doing what agents do at the time of contract negotiations?

I certainly hope its nothing more than that as I'd love Hendo to finish his career with us (and then join the coaching staff) and I believe he has recently expressed that he wants to do the same, so hopefully a storm in a teacup.


2.) 21 Jul 2021 19:08:49
Is it madness though. If and this is a massive if Saul came in to replace hendo what’s to say he wouldn’t be a great leader or captain!
All teams need to evolve it’s just a fact of life. We all get old it’s unfortunate but true. Hendo is getting older and will need replacing at some point. Am not saying kick the lad out the door am just saying it is inevitable it has to happen so if a great deal comes forward earlier than expected let’s not totally dismiss it.


3.) 21 Jul 2021 19:29:23
I can see both sides of this, love Hendo but don't see the big deal about a new longer contract not being offered to a super but injury prone player who'll be 33 by the end of the contract he already has. (17,24,27,32,30,21), that's the amount of league games Hendo's been available for over the last 6 seasons. At the age Hendo's at and with his previous history that record is only likely to get worse, i get that he's a leader and his presence around d place is huge but the most important thing is being available to play and we've just let another superb player who was NEVER injured go who was nearly exactly the same age so i think Hendo may have to compromise and realise he will be phased out over the next few seasons.


4.) 21 Jul 2021 19:49:02
If Hendo departs in this transfer window I will eat Eds2 Kippah.


5.) 21 Jul 2021 20:02:08
Im not worries but it nice to see so much love for Hendo now after years of grief.

If you look at every twitter post or YouTube video from lfc now, the comments are flooded with fans asking for Hendo to stay and get a new contract.

I absolutely want him to retire at the club, his influence is obvious.


6.) 21 Jul 2021 20:39:18
This is a non story and a mountain out of ample hill for no reason. A good amount of our players like the front three, Keita, Ox and Hendo could have been named in this non story and it would have generated the same manufactured rubbish we are seein today. Imagine this was Salah instead of Hendo. It would be the same thing.

Hendo has two years left on his deal so does the fact that contract talks are going on at all not signify the intent of the club to keep him? Clearly, that flew over the heads of the fans running with this rubbish. Hendo has tie to get his deal done with two years left so what is the problem?

The journos got their wish cos the thirsty fans now have a nothing burger to sink their teeth into. Not bothered. Hendo will get his deal and that will be that.


7.) 21 Jul 2021 20:39:38
I remember feeling the same about Stevei G and look what happened there. I new lad came in call Jordan and replaced stevei as a captain and leader and that turned out ok didn't it.


8.) 21 Jul 2021 20:58:36
Every football player has an expiry date no matter how much we love them. No player is bigger than the whole we have lost great players in the past and carried on and will do so again in the future. If Hendo stays, great, model pro, great leader but if it the time for him to go, so be it, he will go with great fondness and thanks for all he has given. Instead of all running around like headless chickens, let's trust that JK knows more than us.


9.) 21 Jul 2021 21:25:38
Maybe we should straight swap hendo for Bowen. :/.


10.) 21 Jul 2021 21:37:57
The passiveness of some of the comments is staggering. It’s like “oh well, life goes on”. Players like Hendo don’t grow on trees. It will a travesty if he’s allowed to leave at this point, given he has so much to offer.


11.) 21 Jul 2021 22:30:42
Henderson is a top class midfielder and they don’t come a dime a dozen. He’s also a proper leader. Selling him would be dumb as


12.) 21 Jul 2021 22:32:08
Where is all this swap “news” coming from? Twitter?


13.) 21 Jul 2021 22:38:12
"Reading in utter disbelief"

Yeah. You're right not to believe it.


14.) 22 Jul 2021 01:25:37
Henderson is going nowhere. He is the captain of one of the best clubs in world football. Where can he go that’s better. He loves Liverpool and he probably gets well looked after.

{Ed0666's Note - it’s not him wanting to leave it’s if FSG gives him the length of contract he would ideally like. I have to be honest I lf I was the owner I wouldn’t want a bunch of thirty somethings on huge wages with little sell on value.


15.) 22 Jul 2021 05:28:56
The club became great because Bill Shankly became our manager - everything we have done since he appeared was either achieved or enabled by his vision of what the club should and could be. He was a great ‘man of the people’ and understood and empathised with people and their love of the game and the club. What doesn’t get much airplay was that he was ruthless - the progress of the team came before any individual player. If a player had reached the end of his usefulness then he was replaced.

Jordan Henderson seems to be a fine human being with sensible views on how human beings should behave and be treated. He also seems to be a very good leader of the team on and off the pitch and he is a credit to himself and the club.

I am not sure what the snag with the negotiations is as I’m not part of the negotiations and hopefully an amicable solution can be agreed.

If not, and bearing in mind he will be 33 and a bit when his current contract expires, I would think it makes sense to move him on. IF (big if) he want’s to leave sooner rather than later then he should be rewarded for his service and allowed to try and sort out a deal that suits what he wants to do outside of our club.

Everybody is irreplaceable (otherwise Big Ron Yeats would still be turning out at centre half) .

{Ed001's Note - that's not true. The club was great before Shankly, it had been successful in periods before Shanks arrived. Secondly he was far from ruthless, quite the opposite, his problem was that he was too loyal to the players who did well for him. It was Paisley who changed that, not Shanks.}


16.) 22 Jul 2021 05:52:23
to be honest, I'd be wary of long term deals for a player who will be 33 and the types of injuries he's had. I'm not going to use the term injury-prone as I genuinely don't believe that is the case. but for any player to have multitude of knee, ankle, hip. groin issues would be a concern.

Ultimately Henderson is saying it isn't about the money but feeling wanted. I have no doubt about that, but there will be a limit to that. FSG will not want to commit loads for all reason above, but there will be some flexibility to that. I just hope they find a happy middle ground as he is the kind of club man and leader we need around as we are most likely going to be going through a transition in managers at that time.

Hopeful for good news :)


17.) 22 Jul 2021 07:29:18
Eds right, Paisley our most successful Manager started replacing players who had hit 31.Emlyn Hughes was the prime example. Club Captain, was caught out against United in the FA Cup Semi Final and never played again.
Henderson has 2yrs left on his contract, By that time his legs will be gone. I would not like fans to turn on him when his legs go, which they will. If its about money let him go.


18.) 22 Jul 2021 08:44:32
As much as I love our club captain and I always backed him I have to agree with Ed0666 and Tim.


19.) 22 Jul 2021 09:09:45
Henderson great captain. But he loves an injury and when it comes to crunch time in the season you can bet he’s missing that period. We’ve got a few of those players it’s not just him.


20.) 22 Jul 2021 09:11:22
Even if he doesn't sign a contract, so people think we'd actually sell him? He'll give his all until the day he leaves, which will be whenever his last contract runs out.


21.) 22 Jul 2021 10:01:49
Would it really be the worst thing in the world? Yes he's a great leader and a fantastic player but don't we have other leaders and potentially great leaders in the squad? Van dijk and trent would be 2 solid choices if he were to leave.

If his wages were also freed up then just maybe Saul could be signed who knows. Yes he will be missed but I'm sure the club know what they are doing in not handing out more huge contracts to players that are injury prone and have no re sale value.


22.) 22 Jul 2021 10:24:20
I’d say there’s a significant difference in a 31 year old footballer playing in the 70’s and one playing in the modern game.

The fitness, conditioning and lifestyles of the players is entirely different and almost incomparable. Henderson’s fitness and and conditioning are light years ahead of Hughes at the same age and it’s not inconceivable to say he’d have another 4 years at the top level if he looks after himself and avoids major injury.

Bearing in mind he can play very effectively as a midfield anchor and in central defence he’d still offer something to the squad even if he slows down. And that’s not mentioning his leadership skills, he’s been a great captain of the club, in terms of the silverware, that he’s respected by his peers and he’s a good example to others in how he conducts himself on and off the pitch.


23.) 22 Jul 2021 10:32:53
I’m not asking the owners to put him on a 5 year deal on massive wages just a years extension to his contract, we will keep him playing for the remainder of his best years then help bring others through just as Milner is.
These type of players are just as valuable off the pitch as on.

{Ed002's Note - It has nothing to do with the owners.}


24.) 22 Jul 2021 10:29:07
Ed01, not sure I agree with you about Shanks hanging onto players for too long, Alun Evans and Tony Hateley stick in my memory, although you’d have a case with St John and Yates.

I do mostly agree with your assessment of Bob Paisley’s approach to releasing players and that does chime with the point of my original post that all players have a ‘shelf life’ and in Henderson’s case the body might not stand up to the rigours placed upon it in the way that Millie’s can.

{Ed001's Note - Shanks himself said it and Paisley also said that he learnt from Shanks being too loyal. I will take their word over yours or anyone else's in this regard.}


25.) 22 Jul 2021 12:00:39
Yeah that’s right ed001 shanks learnt after his first team he build that one thing he league and cup and kept the players to long out of loyalty. Paisley was ruthless that why are success was far greater under him. I herd Alan Hansen tell a story how he was injured and Bob had been ill and the club had been on a winning run and Alan Hansen had been told he was not playing and Bob foun out and put him straight back in just to prove a point that he was back in control. I don’t think if it’s true we should Offer Henderson in my exchange deal but don’t think he needs a new deal this summer 2 years to run is plenty at 31 Chelsea have been one of the Best run clubs and they would not being offering him a new deal that the sort of thing Barcelona have done kept giving ageing stars to long deals and luck at the mess they have got the selfs in.

{Ed001's Note - I agree, there is no need to give him a new contract yet. Not at his age and with his injury history, much as I love Hendo what's best for the club is more important.}


26.) 22 Jul 2021 13:39:21
Surely its should just be done similarly to Milners, if he's still fit, decent injury-wise and doing the business at the highest level coming to the end of his contract re-new it for an extra year.


27.) 22 Jul 2021 15:21:52
Spot on, Ed02. The owners have nothing to do with any of these contract negotiations. In fact, they don’t handle contract negotiations, period. Why they are being roped into this nonsense, is beyond me.


28.) 22 Jul 2021 15:22:40
Can’t see this happening unless they know he will struggle to stay fit. Hopefully he finishes his career with us and joins the coaching staff. The fans love him and know what he brings. An immense human being.


 

 

17 Jan 2021 06:05:02
It’s looking increasingly unlikely a new centre half coming in and continued changes are not the answer, I’m still don’t understand why Phillips isn’t give a run in the side alongside Fabinho he looks a steady player with more experience than Williams, does JK not rate him?

Clee Red

1.) 17 Jan 2021 06:33:30
Williams is better on the ball but cannot defend one bit. Phillips has a limited range of passing but is a proper defender. Why Klopp plays Williams over Phillips is a big mystery. Only reason I can think of is we build from the back and maybe Phillips really does not fit that profile of a CB.


2.) 17 Jan 2021 10:29:54
Tbf Phillips does struggle to pass the ball accurately further than 5 yards which hinders our ability to keep possession when he is in the team. But I agree that Williams is not a natural defender and is very slow so its horses for courses for me and very much depends on the opposition. I would go for Philips today with the instructions to only pass to our back line or hoof it.


3.) 17 Jan 2021 11:40:41
Both are to slow for our style so I don't see why we didn't try bring someone in and if needs must sell a fringe player to help aid that

Unless young Billy is the future and we don't want to get someone in the take his place in the future why not loan someone or go for someone older like a kilo toure type.


4.) 17 Jan 2021 23:52:08
Totally agree with Indian Buzzer.

Oh and I read a few weeks ago that Phillips was clocked as our quickest centre back this season so he's obviously not slow.

Disappointing to see Klopp playing Hendo there, missing his drive from midfield.


 

 

27 Aug 2017 00:54:56
My take on the vvd situation

Southampton
They want a bidding war to drive the price up they were aware of clubs talking to him but got pissed when it came out he would only go to lfc hence the tapping up and apology form us

Liverpool
Will only bid once a bid has been accepted by Southampton from other clubs

Chelsea and Arsenal
Will put a late bid in so hope to do the ground work before any clubs get involved

I have faith in macca and confident a deal will be done.

Clee Red

1.) 27 Aug 2017 04:49:03
Why on earth would we wait to bid until after they have had an acceptable bid from somewhere else? This has to be one of the strangest thoughts ever.


2.) 27 Aug 2017 06:36:37
We're pushing it to the wire. Even though Macca is very positive, I'm starting to doubt anything is going to happen.


3.) 27 Aug 2017 07:02:59
We would wait because if we were the only ones bidding there is a good chance Southampton will report us to be investigated. If they accept other bids, then they cannot say they want wanted to keep VVD. They want to sell him and as long as we bid in line with other clubs, it would be harder for them to have us investigated.


4.) 27 Aug 2017 08:14:08
News out there saying VVD sacked his agent to push for the deal, how is sacking his agent do any good to push for the deal with us?


5.) 27 Aug 2017 08:31:09
Agree with Clee, we can't make a bid unless someone else does and Southampton agree to sell.

I think he'll end up with Arsenal or Chelsea and we'll be stuck with the Lovren the great.


6.) 27 Aug 2017 08:42:21
VVD and Koeman have same agents.
They pissed off Southampton over Koemans exit.
Perhaps he getting rid as their relationship with Douthampton is impinging on any deal getting done?

Alternatively he could be getting rid in preparation for staying at Southampton i. e. "I've been badly advised".

{Ed002's Note - Actually, it was his change of agents late last year that started all of this looking to move on saga. He had a great agent in Henk-Maarten Chin who would have had van Dijk's best interest all of the time, would not have persuaded Southampton to let him meet with other clubs in January and would have immediately stopped all of the damage being done by Liverpool and by Klopp.

But he was persuaded before Christmas to move to the Jansens and the Wasserman Group, and it was downhill from there as Liverpool unsettled him, made illegal approaches, brushed off a complaint to the Premier League with an apology and withdrew interest - and then utilised ex-players to come out in the press and unsettle him further. Don't think it has gone unnoticed by certain powers that be that the likes of Carragher and Gerrard were all represented by the Wasserman Group.}


7.) 27 Aug 2017 09:17:47
Could there still be ramifications for Liverpool then ed002 as Gerrard is employed by us now?

{Ed002's Note - Of course. If he has left his agents (and I don't know that he has) they will still be seeking the full payment they are due and will address that through the courts if needs be. They also have a contract with the player which may have exit clauses built in. Southampton have a clause in his contract that could see him taken to court over a breach. Southampton could push to have their original complaint investigated or could indeed pass it to FIFA to address.

There is a terrible stench over this whole matter and if cheating is proven to be an acceptable route going forward then there is going to be a shift of power away from the authorities.}


8.) 27 Aug 2017 09:51:20
Thanks ed002.
It's all a bit of a mess. I really hope we learn from this.

{Ed002's Note - I hope so too.}


9.) 27 Aug 2017 11:18:14
To be honest, as bad as Liverpool has been in this saga, the whole industry and transfer process stinks and I can't help but feel it's because the whole business is so reliant on super agents who are massively incentivized to have clients that move every other year.

It feels that they will do anything to secure transfers including spreading rumors/ lies, doing shady under the table deals, setting up meetings when they shouldn't and manipulating the fans. I think it's long overdue the football world cleans up this side of he business.

{Ed002's Note - No. There are only a handful of "super rich" agents and I suspect that you knowledge of what they do and how they work is rather lacking given your comments.}


10.) 27 Aug 2017 13:20:07
Ed, the fact that the ex LFC players like Carra and SG were directly or indirectly involved via VVD's new agents (Wasserman group) in tapping up and unsettling VVD, is vwery troubling. This new info should be alarming to every LFC fan. IMO, this will not end well as this stinks to high hell and LFC has their hands dirty in this whole situation, along with VVD himself. As a result, I propose that people move on from hoping that VVD will sign here cos clearly, Saints know about all the info Ed02 just gave hence, why they will never sell at least to LFC, IMO.

{Ed002's Note - This isn't new information.}


11.) 27 Aug 2017 18:10:32
Why don't they just sell the lad then, who the hell do Southampton think they are? Pathetic from them.


 

 

13 May 2015 13:55:04
Marca reports Liverpool have offered Real Sociedad £14.3 million for Inigo Martinez

Clee Red

1.) 13 May 2015 14:48:17
Surely if true it means sakho or lovren are off


2.) 13 May 2015 15:05:48
Good alternative to Skrtel


3.) 13 May 2015 15:10:11
Another left footer I think spasmith

{Ed002's Note - You are correct.}


4.) 13 May 2015 15:49:05
Was going to say it sounded like rubbish, but now I see he's a LCB I believe it as clearly we need another one of those as a priority.


5.) 13 May 2015 15:57:51
Plz tell me this is rubbish. Why does clueless Brendan want another LCB when we already have 3 at the club? How is any sane person at the club even sanctioning this madness? Inigo Martinez is a good player but not what we need right now.


6.) 13 May 2015 15:59:14
Is there a quota? One left sided centre back for big money each summer?


7.) 13 May 2015 16:14:16
Perhaps Lovren is going to be converted to a right sided centre back (he's right footed) to be back up to Skrtel as Toure is leaving. Or we are selling Lovren altogether.
We have approx 7/8 centre backs over 20 on our books at the min. another one is not a priorty. I'd be relatively happy if we just picked 4, sold the rest and used the money towards a top quality striker.


8.) 13 May 2015 17:17:16
no truth in these Martinez rumours though is there Ed? I've been posting replys to others saying our onterest was on Vela, however reports seem to be growing. Surely we are well stocked with defenders?

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any bid. If either Lovren or Sakho were to leave then perhaps there would be interest. Liverpool are overloaded with centre backs so it makes no sense.}


9.) 13 May 2015 17:45:53
maybe he can also play as LB.


10.) 13 May 2015 17:46:21
Maybe he can also play as Left Back and so Enrique's replacement.

{Ed002's Note - He is not a left back.}


11.) 13 May 2015 17:49:18
Obviously he will be our "Marquee" signing to play alongside Sturridge up top with Brendan in charge.


12.) 13 May 2015 18:54:33
Left-footed centre-back, you say? Sounds like Brendan is getting us a new right winger.


13.) 13 May 2015 19:54:47
If the manager wants to play 3 at the back, it's not overly ridiculous, especially if that frees Can to play in midfield again.


 

 

10 May 2015 10:26:39
Has winston Reid signed a new contract last I heard he was a target for Arsenal, if not are we in for him.

Assuming Toure, Coates & Llori leave the club

Clee Red

{Ed002's Note - Yes and No.}


 

 

 

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20 May 2021 14:01:33
Loving the transfer rumours but I think big incomings are wide of the mark.
The club have little funds so sales will be the main source of income.
A lot of talk about konate so think it’s very possible, a midfielder to replace Wijnaldum.
Kabak loan will not be made permanent and Elliot will return and play a bigger part next season.
If Keita goes or one of salah Firmino or Mane then the money will be used to replace them.
In short only 2 in unless any big players leave.

Clee Red

1.) 20 May 2021 14:42:06
Do we need to replace Gini with a transfer? Would be cheaper to give him a new contract.
Curtis Jones is already there as well. If we sell Keita, Grujic and Ox (although I’d keep him if he remains injury free) and Shaq then I’d like to see a player brought in. We can’t sell those four and lose Gini without adding. Even if it’s only Gini out of those six names that’s a regular, you do want depth. Bench options. Rotation.
My ideal is Gini new contract. Jones, Thiago, Henderson, Fab, Milner and with the sale of Shaq, Ox, Grujic and Keita bring in Neuhaus.


2.) 20 May 2021 14:46:57
I think we will get 3 incomings (either first team players or players who can rotate with and eventually replace our ageing first teamers)

Konate (goes straight into the first team)
Neuhaus/ Bissouma (to rotate and share workload with Hendo and Thiago)
Malen (rotate with Bobby and eventually replace him)

I think we will sell a lot of our loaned out and squad players to make these deals happen.
If one of the first team players also leaves, then we will accordingly replace them.


3.) 20 May 2021 15:17:57
Konate seems to be the #1 target and Leipzig want a single payment.
It could be a win-win if Liverpool sold Phillips and he in return gets first team football somewhere.
But let’s not take our eyes off the target. It’s Konate, first and foremost.
I think Phillips has about earned a spot at Liverpool if he wants it, but one last big test on Sunday against Zaha and Co.
if he and Rhys fail that, we’re in trouble and so could they be.


4.) 20 May 2021 15:55:37
I am fascinated too see wat we do, for me this squad needs fresh sparks of inspiration if we don't sell front 3 its imperative to replace the likes of keita, shaq, matip, possibly tsimikas, origi, possibly ox, definitely gini with genuine quality signings, nothing less will do or we ain't winning shxt .


5.) 20 May 2021 17:00:15
Make no mistake about it, the squad needs freshening up desperately. I understand the concerns about money but i do think we’ll see us sell a lot of players this summer, some have completely stagnated and are best off leaving with their heads held high in search of more game time. Any longer at Liverpool for Origi, Shaqiri, Keita etc could see it get very sour very quickly. They just don’t fit in anymore and aren’t pushing the starting lads in the way that we need them to. We need a squad full of hungry players in order to challenge for the major honours again, not just lads stuck in their comfort zone.

We have to invest the money in order to keep the squad ticking over now. Despite it being a difficult time financially i hope the club recognises that it is the only way to stay on top. Konate has been needed for a while, as has an upgrade on Gini, which i hope will be Bissouma. Then you have Elliott, Jones, Phillips and Kelleher emerging to hopefully all take up places in the squad in place of Shaqiri, Keita, Matip and Adrian respectively.

On top of that is where it gets a bit tricky because we definitely need at least a centre forward to replace Origi, with no clear target emerging thus far, although my choice would be either Vlahovic or, for a cheaper option, Daka. I would also move on Mane and get some money for him while we still can, although aside from the financial logic of it he is a player who looks to have lost his hunger, agility and edge. My choice to replace him would personally be Saka, who i think is more attainable and has less baggage than Sancho.

It isn’t so much about us all clamouring for insane signings like Mbappe or Haaland, but the necessity of keeping the squad fresh and hungry, which is a natural part of football management. Paisley and Ferguson were masters of this and i guarantee they’d be moving on many of these players this summer, by hook or by crook. Nearly all of them (barring probably Keita) have been great servants for the club and can leave admirably with respect, but it is getting to a point where it is beginning to feel as though there is a certain bad smell lingering around the substitutes bench, a certain malaise and a certain exasperation towards certain players who continually cannot be relied upon.

We cannot be carrying that into next season.


6.) 20 May 2021 17:37:19
AW, we can wax lyrical about what Fergie and Pailsley did and all that but that is irrelevant in this era especially under a C.V. where money is tight all over Europe. Klopp cannot just sell who you think we should sell undercovers circumstances and I think even Fergie and Paisley would struggle here.

We have our targets and we have to be creative here to get who we want and sell who we can to get who we want and that could include selling Phillips to raise funds if for ex., Matip cannot be moved on. I don’t think we need a huge overhaul here. We need depth in the attack and in midfield and one signing in attack and 1 or 2 in midfield should do the trick so altogether, 3 to 4 signings if funding allows.


7.) 20 May 2021 18:14:17
In fairness OliRed, Adrian and Wijnaldum are already pretty much out the exit door, and there seems to be a lot of interest in Keita and Shaqiri at the very least. Matip is still a quality player so you’d imagine there’d be someone who’d take a punt on him. The likes of Origi and Grujic may be harder to move and much of what we do may hinge on a move for Mane, which as of right now looks speculative to say the least. However as we need the money i think they may be keener to let players go than we have been in the past, some of these lads are being paid high wages for doing very little on the pitch.


8.) 21 May 2021 12:38:11
I don't think we are in desperate need of a refresh. a couple additons this year, followe dby next year will keep the squad ticking over and refreshed over time.


 

 

08 May 2021 21:34:28
At last JK has realised Fab has to play midfield no matter who’s in defence.

Clee Red

1.) 08 May 2021 21:46:53
Young Rhys has done well so far to be fair to him.

{Ed0666's Note - exactly good for him


2.) 08 May 2021 22:07:36
Rhys played very well in fairness lad's.

{Ed0666's Note - yes he did mate and he’s undeserving of the flack he got. The kid saved us many times from certain goals.


3.) 08 May 2021 22:10:40
Rhys done but philips should be a starter next season with VVD. He is exceptional at his positioning and can head away everything. I think we shouldn't even be signing konate and playing philips.

{Ed0666's Note - Konate and Virgil would be levels above Birgil and Philips in my humble opinion mate. But I agree we shouldn’t get rid of Philips he’s really dependable.


4.) 08 May 2021 22:12:50
He's only 18 Ed0666 for God's sake I don't get it either.

{Ed0666's Note - are you kidding? Rhys Williams is only 18? Then the abuse he gets is even more incredulous. He’s a frickin kid


5.) 08 May 2021 22:16:56
Well played Rhys Williams, some of the abuse he got on here before the game was embarrassing. I get criticizing a player after the game if he’s played poorly but to mock a young player like him before the game has even started shows a complete lack of class.


6.) 08 May 2021 22:17:58
The problem with the lads (Williams, Kabak, Phillips) filling in at the Back this season is they are trying to replace a world class centre half and that’s what they are being unfairly judged on. It’s like asking a youngster to come in and replicate what Salah does for us if he were to be injured. The only thing we can ask them to do is okay to the ability they have and I think they have all done that. All 3 might not make it at Liverpool but they can hold their heads high this season for stepping up to the plate and giving it their best shot.

{Ed0666's Note - what he said


7.) 08 May 2021 22:19:06
Credit where credits due the young lad played well. Ed666 you confident about the Man U game? Usually a bore draw but we need a win. Get the 3 points there and with a little bit of luck with the other results and 3 points in our remaining fixtures we somehow might sneak Champions League footy.

{Ed0666's Note - I have to be honest mate I just don’t think it will happen. We are tiresome to watch and the fluidity and verve has gone out of our game which makes us venerable and penetrable. We pressed well in parts today and we have to keep that up for the next 4 games to have any chance. I think we might take 3 points on thursday as United play on two games in three days. But it all depends on what Leicester do. Don’t be fooled by their run in because on paper it looks hard but they’ll be playing two teams that will be resting players for a European cup final. It’s Leicester’s to lose but we have to make a fight if it and out em under pressure.


8.) 08 May 2021 22:41:31
Fab in midfield gives extra cover allowing fullbacks to push on, defence did what they are paid for nothing flash just basic defending.
If JK had done this months ago instead of using fab and hendo at the back we would be comfortably in a top 4 position.
Sorry but poor management decisions have put us in this position.


9.) 08 May 2021 22:47:10
Ed666. It will be difficult at best I know. I want this torrid season to end to be honest but if we somehow sneak top 4 that would offer some happiness, although like you I can’t see it. Next season with a few signings and VVD, Hendo and Gomez back I think we will be different gravy. I’m really excited about Konate and would also like Bissouma. Forward position is a conundrum though. I’m thinking we should try and bring in a true goal scorer instead of inside forward/ winger. Lewandowski would be the dream with the keyword being dream, which will never happen. Otherwise I’m not sure who else is out there who is realistic financially. Elliot coming back is another one I’m excited about, can’t wait to see him in front of a fully fit midfield with VVD and Konate/ Gomez behind them and Trent and Robbo flying again. What would you do with the forwards this summer? would you leave it as it is or would you freshen it up and sell one. If so who would you move on and who would you like to bring in?

{Ed0666's Note - I’m not sure Elliot is gonna be an instant hit I think it’s gonna take a couple of seasons. I also think his natural position isn’t on the wing I think he’ll move into the middle which will be his position going forward.
For me Bissouma is a must now that somoure is rumoured to be nailed on for Leicester.
I would sell Mane bring in Raphina, Saka or Malen and then the season after next move on Bobby mate.


10.) 08 May 2021 23:04:07
My apologies Ed0666 Rhys is 20.

{Ed0666's Note - thats how rumours start bazza 😂


11.) 08 May 2021 23:11:08
Williams' main problem all season was that he was trying to play like he has pace when he doesn't. He kept getting really tight and aggressive which resulted in oppo forwards spinning him or running off him without any chance he'd catch up. He had a much better handle on when to drop off and give himself a yard today than in any of his previous games.


12.) 08 May 2021 23:19:26
Need the toffees to do is a favour now. Can’t believe that Aguero pen, the idiot 😂.

{Ed0666's Note - he’s a showman he wanted to bow out of city in style. He served the right to showboat


13.) 08 May 2021 23:25:29
That as well may be Ed, but we could have done with Chelsea not picking up 3 points today.

{Ed0666's Note - and we could have done with not letting in late equalizers against Leeds and Newcastle. Shoulda coulda woulda mate


14.) 08 May 2021 23:32:16
I like Raphina but to say he can replace Mane at this stage with his numbers this season is a bit premature. I’d prefer Raphina to come in to compliment our forwards rather than try and replace.


15.) 08 May 2021 23:26:58
Ed666 Agreed. I see Elliot more in the AMC position with a license to roam. He needs time to settle as he is only a kid but still excited to see him in cup games and off the bench in the league. Do you know if we are at the very least serious about bringing in Bissouma? Good shout with Saka btw. He is a talented kid and looks to have his head screwed on but not sure Arsenal would sell. Also he is very versatile, which Klopp likes. Hopefully he is in Klopp’s peripherals. I too would sell Mane but maybe my push for a goal scorer is out of fear of say Salah getting injured. I don’t know where our goals would come from. I too would then look to move Firmino on the following summer and then that summer make a massive push for Bellingham. Think the kid is Hendo’s successor and looks mature beyond his years. That’s without mentioning his current ability and his potential and also the fact Milner would most likely retire that summer it seems like a no brainier, finances permitting of course.

{Ed0666's Note - I’m pretty sure Liverpool have spoken to Bissoumas representative which is promising but clearly no where near a done deal as there’s lots of other clubs sniffing around him.


16.) 08 May 2021 23:27:26
Love it Ed0666😂😂😂.

{Ed0666's Note - 🥰


17.) 08 May 2021 23:28:41
Too true, too painfully true.

{Ed0666's Note - Can you imagine if we get top 4 from the position we were in a few weeks ago. I’ll go on the lash for two weeks as it would be as good as winning the champions league and premiership put together (I exaggerate for the narrative)


18.) 09 May 2021 04:14:54
The one big problem with Rhys williams is that he has no pace whatsoever. There were a few times in the game against Southampton that people ran past him like he was nothing. The kid has done well but for me, he makes merteslacker look like speedy gonazeles. The kid has done ok but he is definitely not first team quality yet.

{Ed0666's Note - yes well done you’re the first one to point out the kid has no pace. He’s not gonna be anywhere near the first team next season , he’s filled in an emergency today and did better than expected. Let’s give him props for a change and not exacerbate his fallibilities


19.) 09 May 2021 04:50:51
We got a clean sheet today. What more can a central defender do? The fact that you want him to look pretty while he ensures we get 3 points and feel the need to go on a forum to criticise him still is just not cool.


20.) 09 May 2021 09:06:50
Ed0666, I’m probably Williams harshest critics, but after a couple of dodgy moments in the first half, he did far better than I’d have given him credit for and in fairness to him he had a good game overall, his positioning at times in the first half was a little suspect, but it was far better than the United game and the only actual brain fart moment wasn’t by Williams but came courtesy of Alisson playing a blind pass.

I’m not arsed that he doesn’t have pace, I can name loads of good defenders who didn’t have pace (Hyypia, anyone? ), he just needs to be alert to danger, read play better, hold a decent position and use his physical presence to out muscle attackers, which he was doing more often than not.

On that performance, if Kabak is still out, Williams deserves fo start and he will at least be playing behind Fabinho which at least means the defenders will have some protection in midfield. Let’s hope we face a very knackered man United team on Thursday after their travails. Very happy to be eating humble pie this morning.


21.) 09 May 2021 10:03:28
I think everyone is forgetting that Southampton had plenty of opportunities to score, most of the time because Williams was found wanting. As I said, he has done well but putting him against players like cavani with his movement or martial and rashford with their pace would be a huuuuuge mistake!


 

 

20 Feb 2021 23:41:48
Time to play two recognised centre defenders, Phillips and davis when fit put fab and hendo back in the middle.
Players our best midfielders at the back hasn’t worked.

Clee Red

 

 

27 Jan 2021 17:13:59
Thoughts on playing matip and Phillips (so can’t understand why he’s not getting games) and play fabinho, Henderson and Thiago in midfield. Fabinho will offer protection giving others to offer more going forward.
Must be worth a go with our recent form.

Clee Red

1.) 27 Jan 2021 17:21:48
I have been saying this for weeks, but obviously kloppo sees something in trying we don’t as Phillips is not even being considered!


2.) 27 Jan 2021 17:33:06
Makes sense to me. Play Thiago a bit further forward so a 4-2-1-3 formation when attacking and drop back to a 4-2-3-1 when defending.


3.) 27 Jan 2021 17:35:42
I would love to see this happen.
I don’t understand why Phillips isn’t getting games, there must be a reason though.
But he looked ok when I’ve seen him.
Playing Fabinho back in midfield seems to make sense to me, at least on paper, for starters the midfield is fixed again, a midfield of Fab, with Thiago and Hendo ahead is really strong and balanced, this in turn makes the attackers more confident going forward knowing Fab is behind them to mop up, plus it gives the shaky defence confidence knowing behind them is arguably the worlds best goalie and in front of them is arguably the worlds best defensive midfielder.
So playing Matip and Philips in defence with fab in midfield is what I would like to see, then when Matip is injured Fab can drop back again, but would also be nice to get a CB this month and play him with Matip with Phillips as the back up so Fab can just stay in midfield. Williams being the absolute last resort.


4.) 27 Jan 2021 18:02:15
The entire thing (be it certain players in defence or midfield) is a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul though.
There’s always a deficit somewhere.
4-3-3 is high risk, harum-scarum football.
We gave up chances last season, even with the full team out, but relied on Virgil and his CB partner to take care of it.
Asking a very makeshift CB pairing to do the same is hugely risky, more so when opponents’ front 3 are high quality.


5.) 27 Jan 2021 18:27:58
Btw johnnyr, 4-2-3-1 in defence? Lol.
We’re conceding on the break, so it’s the two CBs and deeper midfielder at home, everyone else is up the pitch somewhere.


6.) 27 Jan 2021 18:31:03
It is strange how Klopp has played Matip, Williams and Phillips at different times but always alongside Fab who is a centre mid. I’m surprised when Matip has been fit he’s not put Williams or Philips alongside him which would then give us 2 recognised centre half’s. You think if Klopp doesn’t trust Phillips and Williams 100% then playing alongside a centre back (who despite is injury prone is still a very good centre back) would be better for them from a talking guidance point of view and on the other hand allows us to put Fab back into the centre.


7.) 27 Jan 2021 18:41:04
Not sure this is a good idea going against Son and Kane right now. Klopp had a chance to pick a partnership and stick with it but he didn’t. If we err winning and scoring goals then you have more lee way to try diff things. This is not the time to do such things so we go with what ze think can work.


8.) 27 Jan 2021 18:42:30
I do t want to tempt fate. but I think it’s because Fabinho is less likely to get injured than Matip. So Klopps thinking maybe get Fab used to playing CB all season instead of one week midfield then the other week Defence, because Matip gets his usual 2 game injury a month.
That’s my guess, even though personally I’d just play the Defenders in defence and the Midfielders in Midfield.


9.) 27 Jan 2021 18:54:20
I would say something needs to change, or need tweaking, the last time we won in the league was on the 19th December.

Maybe we need to be less on the front foot, let teams come on to us a bit more. Our success has been smothering teams and winning the ball back in the opposing teams half, something that’s difficult to do with any success with teams practically playing 11 men behind the ball. No VVD switching the play and stretching the opposition and no Hendo and Fab in midfield, makes it difficult

It’s something we need to deal with and think about, even more so now so many teams have nullified our attack. Tomorrow night will be no different, except we have Kane and Son to deal with.


10.) 27 Jan 2021 19:43:19
Totally agree Clee Red! Don’t know why this hasn’t be the case when matip has been fit 🤷‍♂️.


11.) 27 Jan 2021 22:04:35
Juicer, it was more about having our 2 wide forwards and attacking mid dropping back when we didn't have the ball and pushing forward when we did.


12.) 27 Jan 2021 22:29:14
If I remember rightly didn't Philips get man of the match in his last game against West ham and then dropped next game.


13.) 27 Jan 2021 22:51:58
I think Thiago is a top player but not in a deep midfield role, maybe in Germany but not here. So if Matip is fit I'd play Henderson alongside him, Fab in DM and Thiago further forward alongside one of Gini, Milner, Curtis.


14.) 28 Jan 2021 00:00:49
Juicer we are not conceding on the break at all. We’ve conceded 3 goals in the last 7 league games all from set pieces.
Even the goals in the FA Cup weren’t from breaks they were from defensive errors.
We are defending well on the whole but when we have struggled it’s when teams are direct as we don’t have a decent header of the ball in the DM position to mop up so the ball gets flicked on or the CB has to come out to challenge for the header leaving a hole in behind him.
As for Philips he hasn’t played since the Newcastle game and rightly so. He was awful that day. For me Williams has had better performances than Philips has so deserves to be ahead of him but neither are at the level we need. Playing Philips against the strength of Kane and the pace of Son would be suicide and they would target that all day long.


15.) 28 Jan 2021 10:25:28
BP Philips has what 2games? A man of the match performance and a bad one. Rhys had like 15 or something, I struggle to remember a decent one. Probably he had a moment or two but most of the time he struggled. I can remember 3 mistakes when he cost us a goal. Definitely Philips deserves another chance.


16.) 28 Jan 2021 11:11:41
I understand it’s not without risk but it would give a stronger midfield than we have had all season fab holding allows full Backs to bomb on hendo and Thiago to join the attack more and maybe give better opportunities for our forward 3.
Must be worth a try if not against Spurs then maybe upcoming games.


 

 

02 Mar 2020 07:00:54
The result yesterday has come at a good time we have looked too laid back in games recently and were due to get punished. VVD should stop believing the stuff people are writing about him and cut out the strutting laid back attitude (a problem why some clubs didn’t want him when he left Celtic)
TTA needs a rest I would give Williams a run out.

Lovren had a bad game but he was going to be rusty after so long out and Troy Deeney is a tough player to handle.
When the front 3 don’t perform we have no answers, a player of equal quality needs to come in someone who can play deeper as well (Coutinho is a great fit but don’t see it happening) .

Turn Chelsea over and a win next weekend will set up up for Atletico.
A embarrassing thumping by a bottom 3 side may just turn out to be a blessing in disguise.

Clee Red

1.) 02 Mar 2020 11:04:10
Personally i'm not sure it's necessarily Trent being tired, i think our current style of play to FBs and cross it in is slowly being found out. A few times this season teams have had a very strong gameplan against it and it just doesn't work, but we still persist. We need more creativity from the midfield and front 3 through the middle like we used to. We used to tear teams apart with quick fast play through the middle and we don't seem to attempt it much anymore. I feel like this might be why we seem to be linked with a proper ST (Werner) and a creative midfielder, we need more options. Yes the defending was horrific and has become lazy, but our attack isn't firing as much, we have won a lot of games 1-0 which is hard to keep up, and the defence was bound to have a off day eventually.

{Ed001's Note - in what way doesn't it work? The problem isn't with the crosses method, it is with the players not getting on the end of them. The balls are still coming into dangerous areas and we should be scoring from them. Everyone wants to throw the baby out with the bath water after a couple of defeats. The system has set records, no one has worked it out, our players have not been playing well and that is the issue.}


2.) 02 Mar 2020 12:18:15
Complete rubbish about VVD. Everyone had a bad game.


3.) 02 Mar 2020 16:23:58
Spot on, Ed. It the same old crap each time we don't win or play well or going thru a sticky patch. "We should have signed a no. 10", "We should have resigned Coutinho", "We are being found out" and all that mess. Found out by who? Same stuff got trotted out after we lost to Athletico, who scored a freak goal and parked the bus, as if we have a divine right to win every game. It's a joke man.

LFC have lost 3 out of the 43 games it has played this season. So who has found us out exactly? Nobody, that's who cos we have been playing this way for the past two years and yet each time we lose, it is cos we barely ever do.
We have lost 2 out of our last 66 PL game. TWO yet people are going off on us being sussed out and throwing the baby out with the bath water cos we did not win our 27th game out of 28 in the season.

We are in a slump and our boys are playing well. That is it, and nothing more so enuff of the "we have been found out" stuff cos IMO, it is just pointing fingers for no reason to find an excuse as to why we got beat by a great performance vs Watford. .


 

 

 

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22 Jul 2021 10:32:53
I’m not asking the owners to put him on a 5 year deal on massive wages just a years extension to his contract, we will keep him playing for the remainder of his best years then help bring others through just as Milner is.
These type of players are just as valuable off the pitch as on.

Clee Red

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Thanks carra.

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16 Aug 2017 14:09:20
In macca we trust.

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09 Aug 2017 18:40:51
Any info you give macca is greatly appreciated

If you say it's back on its back on. 👌🏻.

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19 Jul 2017 10:12:13
There's 6/ 7 players moving out and we've added 2/ 3

There must be some hope of getting our main targets over the line or are we waiting for them to put requests in and force the move

I haven't seem much else to suggest we have other targets but I trust JK.

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01 Aug 2021 21:48:35
Traore or no more signings what would you prefer?

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{Ed0666's Note - great question. I know if you asked eds 001 he’d want to swerve Traore and give Elliot the opportunity. Listen I know Adama isn’t great but could make a player out of him that scores goals and creates? So I would say give me Adama over new signings. Touching on the Elliot debate I’ve no doubt the kids gonna be a rockstar but I think its a a year too early as he won’t get as much game time as I would like him to have.


 

 

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01 Aug 2021 17:35:48
Our first 11 is quality and will match any team problem is we can’t play it every week especially when champions league comes around, my concern is city Chelsea and Utd have stronger squads.

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23 May 2021 21:14:40
Agreed we have a class manager on JK but serious miss management in not trusting Phillips earlier or realising fab is a poor defender and had to play midfield to protect the defence, where would we be had he realised this after VDV was injured.
Also had the owners should have sorted a defender in on the 1st jan rather than panic buying on the last day,

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Loving the optimism boys but we’ve failed to turn up in games for months now champions league is gone and I only see LWDW from out last 4 games.

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08 May 2021 22:41:31
Fab in midfield gives extra cover allowing fullbacks to push on, defence did what they are paid for nothing flash just basic defending.
If JK had done this months ago instead of using fab and hendo at the back we would be comfortably in a top 4 position.
Sorry but poor management decisions have put us in this position.

Clee Red