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14 Jul 2023 17:31:08
Got some info that Schurs had agreed personal terms with Crystal Palace' but the valuation between 2 clubs is very far apart, will come as blow to us if he goes south, if we really were interested.
It seems Kloop has prioritised midfield before bidding for CB' so we will have matip and gomez.
1.) 14 Jul 2023 17:44:19
It's being reported on the Football365 website as aggregated on NewsNow, for context.
2.) 14 Jul 2023 18:22:04
Maybe Guehi is being sold by Palace and he is the replacement - just wondering and definitely not read or ITK. Not saying Guehi coming to us, but would welcome him.
{Ed002's Note - Obsession with Chelsea’s Academy continues.}
3.) 14 Jul 2023 18:37:55
Thanks Ed002, honestly didn’t know he came from Chelsea Academy, got to say they really do produce some excellent talent - great to see.
4.) 14 Jul 2023 20:01:28
You rather like Chelsea fc don't you Mr. Ed002?! ?.
{Ed002's Note - Not as much as Klopp seemingly.}
5.) 14 Jul 2023 20:06:00
That’s ok Ed002, our obsession with taking your best players and turning them into superstars and then selling our players to you, for them never to play as well as they did with us can continue for as long as it likes. (Salah/ Torres/ Benayoun etc)
Levi is next on our agenda wants some scouse instead of jellied eels I hear, come on Levi, jump ship ?!
{Ed002's Note - When did Liverpool sell Salah to Chelsea?}
6.) 14 Jul 2023 23:08:54
I was not looking to instigate a debate about players from and to Chelsea, just appreciate the Chelsea Academy players produced - some excellent talent.
I know very little, just love watching football, chose Liverpool a lack of geographical knowledge (was very young in early 80’s) and picked a random team ??♂️ supported since.
Exciting season ahead, we’ve improved, Arsenal have and still plenty of transfer window left - thrilling times and for Ed002 - a new and talented manager - would be great to see Chelsea back in the mix ??
An exciting season ahead and some superb teams - great football and no rivalries - just the beautiful game ?.
7.) 15 Jul 2023 05:44:25
Without rivalries the game is nothing.
Great to have you as a fellow supporter Dr Who but rivalry is everything in football.
8.) 15 Jul 2023 07:06:04
Rivalry is great in sport but in football, it has devolved to be come extremely toxic and hateful.
But going back to the original topic, Chelsea have a wonderful academy and their infrastructure is something that we should be looking to implement. It isn't far from the truth to say that they have the best youth set-up in the country.
9.) 15 Jul 2023 07:59:55
Not saying that Chelsea don’t have a great academy set up, but I seem to remember when Chelsea was the Man City of the league a few years back and was spending Abramovich‘s billions like it was peanuts, they stockpiled all the best young talent around for year after year.
10.) 15 Jul 2023 08:53:35
From what i remember John Terry is the only good player out the Chelsea accademy i remember. We had, fowler, owen, gerrard, carra, mcmanamon, now we got trent, lampard cole, ashley cole all non Chelsea. So i would say our accadamy has much more world class players out of it than theirs.
11.) 15 Jul 2023 05:42:20
Ed002, you know what I mean, your management team couldn’t develop Salah into the phenomenon that Klopp has developed him into you pushed the boy out to Italy where we seen a player and made him what he is today.
Chelsea fans would do anything to have a manager like Klopp sir, you know it!
{Ed002's Note - That is pretty embarrassing.}
31 May 2023 07:50:09
Hi Eds are any clubs interested in Thiago and Fabinho, I would sell the pair if there is a decent offer.
We will be left with Hendo, Bajetic, Jones and Elliot as our Mid options.
Trent to play as a Mid as well.
We can then go for 3 new Mids from MacAllister, Kone, Thuram, M Savic and Rabiot.
{Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}
1.) 31 May 2023 10:42:44
Thanks Eds, they must be on very bug salaries to make them unaffordable for other clubs. Seems two other mids in line for free transfer till their contract ends.
03 Mar 2023 03:40:14
Hi Eds may not be liverpool related .....................
{Ed002's Note - Why ask on the Liverpool page then?}
10 Feb 2023 01:30:37
Is it true that RBL tried to get Keita back in January? They did bid a small amount to take him back?
{Ed002's Note - They wanted an initial loan.}
1.) 10 Feb 2023 10:17:30
We can set up a go fund me and get him a taxi.
2.) 10 Feb 2023 10:25:58
What's the point of a loan to us when he's out of contract in the summer? It's as good as a sale. I swear clubs take the biscuit at times.
3.) 10 Feb 2023 11:04:52
I hate it when clubs take the biscuit. Especially when they start behaving like hobnobs
{Ed014's Note - Keita is defo the knob bit!
4.) 10 Feb 2023 10:57:20
Yes, thanka for reply Ed002, but don't see point of loan when he is out of contract in summer, also not sure why they have not worked on pre contract agreement with him? Or are they working on it already?
{Ed002's Note - They wanted him on loan to cover for three injured midfield players they have. It would have been possible if Liverpool had done the sensible thing and added a CM player and it would have got his wages and bonuses off the books - that would have been the benefit to the club. His agent continues to offer him around and there is some interest but I understand there is no firm offer to the player on the table at this time.}
5.) 10 Feb 2023 10:48:21
It’s not like we’d of missed him.
6.) 10 Feb 2023 12:49:04
Can anyone honestly think of a reason why any club would want to sign Keita. Football must be the only job in the world that continually rewards mediocrity.
7.) 10 Feb 2023 13:35:27
As a civil servant working for the moj, I can assure you that mediocrity is not only rewarded, but incompetence often actively encouraged in other professions.
8.) 10 Feb 2023 14:13:31
Ed hope game time is one of his bonus’s.
9.) 10 Feb 2023 13:15:34
Mediocrity. that's quite generous of you Johnny.
10.) 10 Feb 2023 17:22:14
Civil service mantra is do not make your boss feel threatened.
11.) 10 Feb 2023 18:00:40
Don't like slating the players too much JLCBM so trying to be relatively kind.
12.) 10 Feb 2023 18:16:56
I saw something that A C Milan are chasing Naby. I hope they catch him.
13.) 10 Feb 2023 18:21:31
“Football must be the only job in the world that continually rewards mediocrity. ”
See also politics and pundits at talkSPORT.
14.) 10 Feb 2023 21:51:46
Poor player. Attitude, contribution and level of play. Possibly Jurgens worst full-contract signing.
15.) 10 Feb 2023 23:25:13
Could you imagine the fallout if we’d let a midfield player go during what everyone keeps saying is a midfield crisis? Perhaps Klopp thought he could make a contribution for the rest of the season and from what I am seeing he is probably right.
We really need to stop this Keita witch hunt and try actually supporting the lad whilst he’s here. God knows we need him to be on form right now.
16.) 11 Feb 2023 06:12:56
West Derby Wanderer…. you mention AC Milan are chasing Naby and you hope they catch him…. believe me if my Nan was chasing Naby she would catch him ….
17.) 11 Feb 2023 12:54:40
AC Delco more likely paid in pies and onion gravy.
14 Dec 2022 08:41:46
Eds002 please can you confirm if we have interest in 19 year old Scalvini from Atlanta as one of 2 midfield targets.
I think we will go for 1 1st team and costly midfielder but we will also get a 2nd who will be cheaper with high ceiling.
{Ed002's Note - Giorgio Scalvini (CB/DM) Spurs, Juventus and Southampton have shown an interest in the young centre back who has also covered for Koopmeiners as a DM this season.}
1.) 14 Dec 2022 12:09:15
Thanks for the reply Ed so more or Fabinio understudy.
{Ed002's Note - I would rather doubt it.}
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15 Jul 2024 14:53:47
What about DDG as 2nd choice keeper. also Hermoso from. Athelico is available on free. would not be bad replacement for Gomez if he moved on . he can cover LB as well.
1.) 15 Jul 2024 16:07:17
de Gea wants to be first choice. And he was paid something like £300k a week at Man U.
Do you not think if he was going to climb down significantly enough from those sort of demands to be a viable consideration, he'd have been signed by someone by now? Also he hasn't played football in a year.
2.) 15 Jul 2024 17:27:33
I think DDG would probably take a massive pay cut on hos Utd wages because anything a club offers him is far more than the zero he's earned in the last year.
However I can't see him going to a club to be second choice. If anything i can't really see him making a return to football. From Spains first choice to without a club for 12 months is quite a turn around in a few years.
3.) 15 Jul 2024 17:55:23
Knowing FSG inside out (or whoever is running the club) it would Adrian for another 156 years ???.
{Ed001's Note - the Adrian who has just signed for Real Betis? That Adrian?}
4.) 15 Jul 2024 18:31:11
Ouch ??.
5.) 15 Jul 2024 18:40:18
Well that’s a real shame ??. The window is still open though ??.
6.) 15 Jul 2024 18:58:28
You know them inside out but you don't know who's running the club?
7.) 15 Jul 2024 19:58:44
Open mouth and insert foot. Consistently amazing and fun to watch and read. ?.
8.) 15 Jul 2024 21:12:55
Looks like someone forgot to take his meds today.
02 Jul 2024 06:26:04
Got it MOT Fever but we should look at Bijol from udinese and Slovenia. solid no nonsense CB and also a leader who marshal's the defence.
1.) 02 Jul 2024 07:51:21
Perhaps we already have, I would like to think that our scouting system is a bit more advanced than watching a match or two on the telly.
2.) 02 Jul 2024 11:04:00
I thought Drkusic was the only Slovenia defender who wasn’t completely bypassed every time if I’m honest mate. If Portugal (particularly Ronaldo) had been able to finish last night they’d have won comfortably. Drkusic to be fair to him actually nullified Ronaldo’s aerial threat which takes some doing. But even he gave away the penalty for clattering Jota and got booked for a mistimed tackle on Leao. Oblak is the only Slovenia player who is good enough for a title chasing Premier League team in my opinion. He was incredible as always.
3.) 02 Jul 2024 11:46:38
Always rated Oblak. He's the only keeper I'd say is better than Alisson!
4.) 02 Jul 2024 11:48:25
MOTD fever. If he was any good he’d have made the usual trip from Udinese to Watford by now….
5.) 02 Jul 2024 12:13:05
No match of the day fever from me VV, I've always rated him. He's been solid for years and I'm sure he was our primary target before we went for Ali. I'm very happy we got Ali though, he's been absolutely immense!
6.) 02 Jul 2024 12:17:27
If we wanted a defender like that we would be keeping and playing Phillips. Defenders like that are suited to and play well in a low block like Slovenia did yesterday but it's not our game.
Not saying I don't agree though, there's a lot to be said for an old fashioned defender in my book but it's just not the way for most modern top sides, unfortunately in my opinion.
7.) 02 Jul 2024 12:43:05
The OP was talking about their defender Bijol, 2Shoes. It’s pretty evident that Oblak is one of the best keepers in the world, it’s certainly between him, Ali, Ederson and Courtois for that title.
8.) 02 Jul 2024 17:32:05
No way is oblak better than Ali, Ali does so much more than simply stop shots, he’s elite with the ball at his feet tok.
{Ed025's Note - not much between them for me PB, but i think Alisson just shades it mate..
9.) 02 Jul 2024 17:45:40
I think oblak suits a team that doesn’t want to concede at all costs, ed, whereas Ali js a goalie for a team that wants to play on the front foot always, he’s a world class goalie and a top notch footballer.
{Ed025's Note - i agree with all of that mate..
10.) 02 Jul 2024 19:58:44
Oblak a terrific shot stopper as is Ali, but Ali is better at passing and distribution. He’s also a better goal scorer ;-)
11.) 02 Jul 2024 21:19:56
Oblak plays/ has played in a VERY defensive system while Ali plays/ has played in a team that plays arguably the most open style of football in all of Europe for years now and is still rated as the best on this planet in spite of how exposed he is unlike Oblak who is nowhere near as exposed.
There's no 'shading" for me. Ali is levels above Oblack even tho, Oblak is a top shot stopper and great leader. Just my take.
12.) 02 Jul 2024 23:16:37
Oli, I thought you were sick of Lijnders' football and wanted us to return to the heavy metal style yet you think we are 'a team that plays arguably the most open style of football in all of Europe for years now'.
13.) 03 Jul 2024 07:11:06
Rigsby ?.
14.) 03 Jul 2024 08:38:20
All of those keepers mentioned could break an arm and still be an upgrade on Pickford.
15.) 03 Jul 2024 11:12:57
Rigsby, not sure what you mean cos one has nothing to do with the other. And yes, we still played an open style of football whether in the wretched possession system which I hate or in the high press system which I love.
The diff. is that we do NOT press near as much nor as effectively in transition to win the ball back in the possession system than we did in the full throttle way we played before. So indeed yes, we have been playing a very open style of football overall for years now.
16.) 03 Jul 2024 13:24:41
Oli, we wouldn't be pressing as much if we had more possession of the ball, would we?
And when do you think the last time we played full throttle regularly was?
When we won the PL and CL and had our best side for years we were not playing full throttle football.
Watch the CL final win against Spurs again and tell me we played full throttle. Or watch it twice and tell me!
17.) 03 Jul 2024 17:26:44
Rigsby, you are all over the place here and not for the first time. We won both trophies by playing the full throttle football until we changed to a more possession style hence, the signing of Thiago so there goes one of you points.
Secondly, The CL game was a tactical masterclass of us not letting Spurs get anything from us after we scored first. We played conservatively by letting Spurs have the ball on purpose (some say, we parked he bus) and played on the counter cos we were not interested in opening up. So why would we press or play full throttle when we were deliberately parking the bus and daring Spurs to break us down? I'll wait.
Also, the last time we played we played full throttle was vs City a couple months back at Anfield and we were left open several times due to the way we played them cos that is the only way to beat City and we should have done. Whether it be Ali or Kellerher in goal, we would have played that way cos that is City's kryptonite.
I seem to have covered all the bases then. Peace.
18.) 04 Jul 2024 07:51:00
Oli, you have given an example of us playing 'conservatively' in one of our biggest games for years and before Thiago signed. Watch the game against Sheffield United away the season we won the League. We played 'conservatively' for a dull 0-1 win.
The only way to beat City is not full throttle football. Real Madrid knocked them out of the CL last season by playing 'conservatively'. Albeit they won on penalties but they did not play throttle. Real don't play full throttle football, Oli.
17 Jun 2024 02:49:31
Under new ownership and specially under Klopp we were prepared to let players fulfill or run down their contract and give them free transfer.
Lallana, milner, keita, Clyne
Can, gini, firmino, Ox are just a few
It seems we may go same route with Salah
We consider this smart business or otherwise?
1.) 17 Jun 2024 04:05:03
I'm sure it's not a strategy to let players walk for nothing. But when you weigh up everything, I guess there are occasions where the club are prepared to let it happen.
2.) 17 Jun 2024 04:38:36
I think it's more a case of not having better alternative options rather than a purely business decision.
Whether it be Klopps's preference/ loyalty for a player, a lack of suitable replacements or a lack of funds (or indeed a combination of those last two) or a lack of a buyer of a player who is on higher wages than anyone else is willing to match or simply too high a price tag, we have not been able to sell to buy in the way City have. [I think you can remove Milly from that list, he was on a rolling contract and we rung him dry in terms of ability and effort]
Personally, I think we should sell Salah for anything approaching 50mil from the Saudis and indeed sell Diaz if he has a strong bid put in for him.
For all the accusations levelled at City, they have consistently sold players for good fees and been able to reinvest. We haven't (with the exception of Coutinho) and had to squeeze all we could from our players. We've punched above our weight with Klopp but he was also exceptional. We need to be able to sell players for a decent fee in order to be able to reinvest.
In that vein, I think we got lucky getting the combined fees we did for Fabinho and Henderson. I am not sure they would have gone anywhere, let alone for the fees they did and in turn we managed to heavily invest in the midfield. Of course FSG added funds but selling is huge part of us staying sustainable.
3.) 17 Jun 2024 07:14:54
All of them shoyld have been sold except bfr their contract ended in my opinion . bad management really. people sayin on this site keep Salah this year n let him go on a free next year , like it's nothing to lose millions of ££s. doesn't make any financial sense.
4.) 17 Jun 2024 07:38:37
You can't force players to be sold or to sign new contracts. Clubs don't own players anymore. You can thank Marc Bosman for that.
An alternative is handing out long contracts to players like Chelsea have done but the downside is possibly giving them a comfort zone and taking some of their hunger away.
5.) 17 Jun 2024 09:31:07
Jean Marc Bosman was the test case, but it was EU law. He just happened to be the player to test the law.
Quite right too, once you fulfil a contract, why should a team/ business have any hold over you?
6.) 17 Jun 2024 09:35:52
The thing is though @Strom that both the player and the club agree to the contract and both parties will be aware of the potential outcomes when the contract ends. You’d have to say that the club goes into these things with their eyes wide open and fully aware of the potential consequences.
7.) 17 Jun 2024 10:02:56
Salah is still comfortably in the top 5 players in the Premier League though.
This isn’t case of keeping someone far too long like with Keita, Lallana, Clyne, Ox etc. Salah is still producing the goods. Same as Bobby was right up until his last game.
I don’t understand the desperation to get a few million in the bank instead of enjoying one more year of arguably the best (certainly the most consistent) player we’ve had for 30+ years.
8.) 17 Jun 2024 10:18:33
I love this conversation tho. really puts the idea of "loyalty" to the test lol.
9.) 17 Jun 2024 12:42:34
It's a stupid strategy, especially when we are a club that relies on sales for funding of transfers.
10.) 17 Jun 2024 16:30:39
It’s never a “strategy”.
How can it be?
You sign a player to a contract. If they want to sign an extension, that’s up to them. If they want to see their contract out, that’s up to them.
If they want to join another club which has made an acceptable offer, that’s up to them.
The player always has the right to stick to their contract. If the club wants to sell them then the player has the right to say “no”.
11.) 17 Jun 2024 17:41:07
Which "new" ownership are you talking about? Coz the last time I checked, FSG were our owners for 5 years plyus till they hirded Klopp.
12.) 17 Jun 2024 17:48:48
We could put all the players on zero hour contracts.
13.) 17 Jun 2024 18:38:45
I agree with most that it was not a stratergy rather the outcome of different reasons. but one of them was also asking too high for player who were not in our long term plans. or holding them too long.
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Any ways thanks for the inputs. regarding salah. I will be happy for him to stay if his goals help us entertain and win some silver wear. And then he gets a fat sign on fees with our best wishes.
It would also be good to give him 2 years contract with low fix and high performance related bonus
New Ownership I meant the current owners if it was not obvious. E.
09 Jun 2024 21:05:00
Jordan Sancho available at 40m
I see talent and potential if he cares to apply himself. Worth a look?
{Ed014's Note - Jesus, even at 4p you’d be getting mugged right off!
I say buy him ??
1.) 09 Jun 2024 21:19:16
No chance.
He’s overvalued. We have better youngsters.
2.) 09 Jun 2024 21:45:11
Potential? How old is he?
3.) 09 Jun 2024 21:54:26
Is this a wind up?
4.) 09 Jun 2024 22:41:10
End of the day it's the right player at the right price and into the right situation.
I've no preconceived ideas of Jadon so it'd really depend on the fit with Slot and the new team.
5.) 09 Jun 2024 23:19:53
Remember how he took the Premier League by storm before? 40m is a serious investment, not the sort of spare change you can risk on seeing if a player might come good. Why even consider one of United’s failures?
6.) 10 Jun 2024 03:59:26
There’s another recent thread about someone we bought for @ £40m which was described as ‘not much’. The player we bought wasn’t really received well by a lot of people on this forum but is now a legend. Just saying, as they say.
{Ed001's Note - difference is Salah had talent and an excellent attitude. Sancho has always been a prick, even as a youngster he had an awful attitude, and nowhere near the talent he thinks he has. Such an exceedingly average player, even in the Bundesliga, let alone in the Prem. Why would anyone consider such dross?}
7.) 10 Jun 2024 05:02:53
I’m hoping that for the price Jordan Sancho has better work rate, attitude and a more varied game than Jadon sancho.
8.) 10 Jun 2024 06:32:42
Salah’s fee was £36.9 million also. I know how you like to be specific WDW ?.
9.) 10 Jun 2024 07:45:48
Jessie Lingards available and even cheaper!
10.) 10 Jun 2024 07:58:15
In fairness Darwins Evolution, Peter Beardsley was a Man United failure and we signed him. As for Sancho though, has an appalling attitude. Was given a dusting down by his manager for constantly being late and other issues, instead of apologising and knuckling down, he downed tools. United will be lucky to get half of what they’re asking, given that he’s on something like £375k a week, no one is going to pay that and his huge wage demands given the aggro that he caused.
11.) 10 Jun 2024 08:50:15
I’d rather spend £40m on someone who will make us a better team.
12.) 10 Jun 2024 09:44:17
In fairness Victor, you had to go back 35 years to find an example. They have had hundreds of flops since then that we quite rightly have avoided even when we were scraping the bottom of the transfer market. there's not a single United player in their current squad that would improve our team, let alone one of their misfit rejects.
{Ed077's Note - Mainoo says hello ?
13.) 10 Jun 2024 10:05:52
Mainoo? He’s had a streak of scoring winning goals that have been easy on the eye but he drifts out of games. Six months ago no-one knew him. Maybe he’s top notch or maybe he’s this year’s Macheda.
14.) 10 Jun 2024 10:40:13
Mainoo looks an excellent player to be fair, he looks like somebody who can reach worldie level in two or three years (or even less) given he keeps working on his game and awareness
There’s a lot of hype to be sure but he does really look the part, though given the toxic atmosphere at United you never know how their prospects will turn out.
15.) 10 Jun 2024 10:41:38
Also to the person who mentioned lingardinho, it might interest you to know that he can’t even get a game at fc Seoul, and has been publicly slated by his coach for strolling around in games….
16.) 10 Jun 2024 11:48:58
I think the Lingard comment was a joke?
17.) 10 Jun 2024 12:21:00
Mainoo got over ran and outplayed by Iceland, too much pressure on him from media, he shouldn't be starting in front of Trent, struggles to finish a match too.
18.) 10 Jun 2024 12:42:17
Mainoo is a great player though. Full of work rate and has good technique to boot. If he were a Liverpool player, we would all be saying that he's the reason why we didn't get Bellingham.
I wouldn't mind Garnacho from this current Utd team as well. Has a very punchable face but is fast, direct, and a hard worker.
{Ed001's Note - Garnacho? Not for me, I am not convinced by him at all. Love his work rate but his actual play is mostly poor. I prefer Amad Diallo of their widemen, not sure why he never got the same chances.}
19.) 10 Jun 2024 12:56:05
How is mainoo in the England team anyway, kids a breath of fresh air at United because the senior pros are rubbish but seriously if there is no1 better to pick than him what chance do England have.
{Ed001's Note - he is in it because he is a very good player who deserves his place.}
20.) 10 Jun 2024 15:50:26
Bhav_reds, I looked and there is NOTHING to see there. Im keeping it moving.
21.) 10 Jun 2024 16:15:14
I would not be suprised if Arsenal bought Sancho their sort of player.
22.) 10 Jun 2024 22:09:17
Fair point about Sancho’s character Ed01 - shame about his attitude because I do think there is / was some potential there.
{Ed001's Note - really? I have never seen him play well. I have read match reports afterwards that suggested he was amazing, but they never tally with what I have just watched. I don't think he has the intelligence, football-wise, to ever utilise any talent he has.}
16 May 2024 18:12:40
We need a new starting CB and DM
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May be sell Konate to make space or spend money and have the new CB replace Matip.
VVD, konate/ SVB, new CB and Quansah will be CB options with Gomez as 5th choice.
In Mid Thiago is going, I could see we moving on frok Endo, C Jones or Gravenberch
We have Mac, Soboz, Elliot, baj as midfield along with one of above 2.
1.) 16 May 2024 20:15:17
I'd sell Gomez,3rd choice rightback and already 4th choice CB before we more than likely strenghten there or give Van Den Berg who's been excellent in Germany a shot. Would bring in decent cash towards actual first 11 starters.
2.) 16 May 2024 21:17:10
Aside from the fact that he’s rubbish too - a complete liability as a “jack of all trades”! Definitely sell him ?.
3.) 16 May 2024 22:02:40
Shultzy are you a mechanic by any chance?
4.) 17 May 2024 02:10:39
Sell Gomez? Are you brain dead? what am I reading here, do you forget how good he was the majority of this season? Short memory you have. My f'n god.
5.) 17 May 2024 03:57:15
Sell Konate more to the point, he is injury prone, cannot string more than 4-5 games together, plays well for two games then lacks consistency and I find him clumsy too, just don’t rate him.
Keep Gomez for his versatility.
6.) 17 May 2024 05:10:47
At the beginning of the year and all the way until February, we were all singing praises of Gomez, saying tuag he has improved this season and should be pushing for a place on the England squad. Fast forward to after what has been a disastrous April for the entire team and we are now saying that he's a liability and should be sold. The word fickle comes to mind.
{Ed025's Note - i have never changed my stance on him Drac, clumsy player who will always be a liability mate..
7.) 17 May 2024 07:59:57
I’d keep konate he covers 2 positions with Trent flying about, is quick and I think Klopp was over cautious and chopped and changed too much.
8.) 17 May 2024 08:05:40
Ed025, is spot on in my view. I may catch some stick for this but I don't think Gomez has played well this season at all. I think people have just willed it into their minds that he did, because I've seen him play genuinely well maybe 3 or 4 times all season.
He's been better than the previous few years because he's been playing at full back and getting more regular minutes, but he's still very limited on the ball and weak defensively. The amount of attacks he has wasted blazing a shot over, sliding a simple give and go straight off the back of the pitch for a goal kick or smashing a cross straight out of play is ridiculous. More importantly though, he's still weak in the air, positionally clueless and lazy with tracking runners.
Pre-injury Gomez was still limited as a footballer, but he was so quick and strong he did a decent job alongside prime Virgil. He's never been the same though since that patella tendon injury and it really is time he moved now. I'd lump in Tsimikas with that too.
A team is only as good as its weakest link and when you have players like Tsimikas and Gomez who can't play simple one or two touch football, your whole build up breaks down and quite often you get done on the counterattack. They're the only senior players in our squad who just aren't top level on the ball and it's caused an over reliance on Trent and Robertson for years, which has totally burned them out too. Bradley is the first decent back up full back we've had in years.
I applaud the unconditional support some fans have given Gomez. In fact, I admire your patience to still hope he can get back to what he was. I have to say though that my opinion has never changed in the last 3 or 4 years and I believe he just isn't good enough.
9.) 17 May 2024 08:18:33
So that’s Matip, ibou, kostas, Gomez maybe Trent To get sold and then buy a lcb. Next season is going to be interesting.
10.) 17 May 2024 06:39:53
There is no doubt konate is a good player but neither his body nor mind seem capable to be our first choice CB thru whole season. so should we keep him as 3rd choice or SVB and Quansah can do a job there.
Gomez is needed as he can slot in multiple Positions and is no mug.
TAA to move to midfield and Bradley as starting RB. TAA and Gomez must be enough for RB cover
Tsimikas may be sold and replaced by a new younger player which has higher ceiling.
Endo is good player but should not be first choice for team with our ambition. we will get a new Defence minded midfielder so baj can be deputy. so no place for endo.
Jones, Gravenberch and Elliot are all to similar players and we should keep only 2 of above. Elliot will be staying however one needs to go.
We also needs to decide what to do with Carvalho
In fwd position Salah the legend seems to be having his last match with us.
Jury still out on Nunez but we should keep him as out of option.
Mac, new DM, TAA, Baj, Elliot and Jones/ Gravenbach and Carvalho as our new MF.
We should replace Salah with Soboz.
And sign a younger understudy.
So Diaz, Gapko, Jota, nunez, soboz and new guy will be fwd line.
11.) 17 May 2024 06:41:57
I would keep Gomez, good squad player homegrown and if Slot plays the inverted fb then I think Gomez is well suited to that.
12.) 17 May 2024 07:23:02
Not brain dead at all salah and I do realise he's had a good season. He would bring in good money because of that, would you like a new centre half Salah? im assuming you would, so would you let Konate, Quansah or Virg go ahead of a Gomez who has shown he is not good enough at centrehalf? Then would you play him ahead of Trent/ Bradley at RB? And we can't assume Robertson going to have another stop start season like this one and Beck the best LB in scotland is returning to the club. So where in hell is Gomez, someone we could realistically get 30-35m for going to get games. I love Gomez as much as the next fan, there was a time when I thought he was going to be top notch but his career hasn't turned out that way. We can't stockpile players out of loyalty, let's let the players not good enough to be here move on and give the new manager and Edwards/ hughes etc the funds to get some top quality in. We had. This same attitude with nat phillips and look how that's panned out.
13.) 17 May 2024 08:50:48
Bit much that, Salah, saying someone's brain dead just because they suggest selling Gomez. I agree he's filled in well, this season, covering various positions. He's very much a jack of all trades ( apart from scoring) but a master of none.
14.) 17 May 2024 09:28:17
Scouse John, I wouldn't sell all of them myself, that'd be too much transition. I think next season we should go into it with Robbo, Quansah, Virgil, Konate and Bradley from the current crop as defensive options. Trent I'd move forward as an AM and RW option. Bring Sepp Van den Berg (CB/ RB) back into the fold for sure, then bring Owen Beck (LB/ LM) or Chambers (LB/ CB) into the first team as well depending on who has the better pre-season. I think we only need to sign a new left sided CB such as Pacho who will be comfortable in a fluid backline, given Slot also likes to invert one full back.
I think our main issue defensively this year was tactics and the back ups not being fit enough or good enough. If our starting back 4 first game of next season was Robbo, Virgil, Quansah and Bradley I wouldn't be worried at all. However if I looked at the bench and saw Gomez and Tsimikas as the options to come on because Matip and Konate were injured again, then I would be concerned.
Robbo, Chambers/ Beck, Virgil, Pacho, Quansah, Konate, Van den Berg and Bradley is a decent 8/ 9 options for the defence that would be a huge step up on what we've had this season. That only requires us to move on Matip, Gomez and Tsimikas.
15.) 17 May 2024 10:30:54
I think gomez is over rated, you might as well try the youth, he realistically can only be trusted for a patch every season, his form is never consistent, and he is also injury prone.
He's been liable to plenty of goals this second half of the season which over shadows his good patch in my view.
If his wages weren't high i'd consider leaving him in.
Konate is an odd one, as he looked so good. Think you can only really make a decision once Slot has had time to look at our defence.
16.) 17 May 2024 10:58:08
I think Gomez issue this season is that he is 5th choice centre half, 3rd choice right back and 2nd or 3rd choice left back.
The good thing for him though is this is in accordance with Klopp who is leaving so the new manager might have big plans for him or he might not.
The same as every other player as its technically going to be a clean slate for the majority.
17.) 17 May 2024 11:10:36
I think lots of posters are under estimating Gomez. He's been excellent. If not for the horrific leg injuries he suffered he would currently be out best defender.
If he continues like this season there's no reason he will not fill his potential to become world class for a few seasons.
18.) 17 May 2024 11:51:36
Who are we going to replace all these defenders we are letting go / selling with?
19.) 17 May 2024 12:42:58
Gomez would have been our best defender were it not for his injuries? That is some statement, Walter.
He's not in the top five, for me.
20.) 17 May 2024 13:38:54
Epic statement Rigsby?Better than prime Van Dijk n all. West Derby I would replace Matip and Gomez with a new CB or VDB if he is seen as good enough by the new coach and Tsimikas with Beck or a new leftback. Only Gomez out of the three has played anything near regularly this season.
21.) 17 May 2024 14:54:26
@June,
Would you leave TAA at RB or move him into midfield? If he does move into the mids we have, given the people you’d see leave, are:
RB - Bradley
CB - VVD, Konate, Quansah and either VDB or a new LCB
LB - Robbo and Beck or a new LB
I don’t think that is enough numbers and certainly not enough proven quality to get us near the top 4 next season.
22.) 17 May 2024 20:25:28
I would let him compete for RB with Bradley. Bradleys that good that if Trent wants to play he is going to HAVE to be spot on in his attitude. And the more the both of them push each other to their limits the better for Liverpool.
28 Jun 2024 20:04:45
You have to agree with eds here. look how much money chelsea make by selling players who are on loan, guehi, tomorrow, Abraham etc. latest to join Hutchinson.
Who is last liverpool players who perform well on loan and then was sold for hefty sum. only IBe comes to my mind.
Chelsea have a seriously good business model where in they make lots of money on loaning and selling young players.
{Ed001's Note - and then use that money to buy worse players on a higher wage. It is far from a good business model and it has left them mired in midtable. Their system may make money, but it doesn't make sense.}
26 Apr 2024 06:11:27
120m for the pair. replacing salah and diaz.
23 Jun 2023 21:27:48
TAA, Salah and Alison are world class, thiago, VVD, robbo, mane are top players who were best in their positions.
04 Jun 2023 11:29:04
Mount, kante, Kavacic, RLC, Gallagher, azi, abuyameng, kalibaly, lukaku, mends, cucurella all seems to heading out.
31 May 2023 10:42:44
Thanks Eds, they must be on very bug salaries to make them unaffordable for other clubs. Seems two other mids in line for free transfer till their contract ends.
19 Jun 2024 17:27:30
Thiago Silva, Ruben Dias, John Stones.
{Ed001's Note - Stones? He is not a good defender, never has been and never will be.}
17 Jun 2024 18:38:45
I agree with most that it was not a stratergy rather the outcome of different reasons. but one of them was also asking too high for player who were not in our long term plans. or holding them too long.
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Any ways thanks for the inputs. regarding salah. I will be happy for him to stay if his goals help us entertain and win some silver wear. And then he gets a fat sign on fees with our best wishes.
It would also be good to give him 2 years contract with low fix and high performance related bonus
New Ownership I meant the current owners if it was not obvious. E.
17 May 2024 06:39:53
There is no doubt konate is a good player but neither his body nor mind seem capable to be our first choice CB thru whole season. so should we keep him as 3rd choice or SVB and Quansah can do a job there.
Gomez is needed as he can slot in multiple Positions and is no mug.
TAA to move to midfield and Bradley as starting RB. TAA and Gomez must be enough for RB cover
Tsimikas may be sold and replaced by a new younger player which has higher ceiling.
Endo is good player but should not be first choice for team with our ambition. we will get a new Defence minded midfielder so baj can be deputy. so no place for endo.
Jones, Gravenberch and Elliot are all to similar players and we should keep only 2 of above. Elliot will be staying however one needs to go.
We also needs to decide what to do with Carvalho
In fwd position Salah the legend seems to be having his last match with us.
Jury still out on Nunez but we should keep him as out of option.
Mac, new DM, TAA, Baj, Elliot and Jones/ Gravenbach and Carvalho as our new MF.
We should replace Salah with Soboz.
And sign a younger understudy.
So Diaz, Gapko, Jota, nunez, soboz and new guy will be fwd line.
09 Apr 2024 06:15:25
I agree, giving sloppy goals has been our issue. Keeping clean sheet will help us win games.
08 Apr 2024 01:48:02
Watkins is clinical. amount of chances we create he would have buried a lot of them, he is 2nd top scorer in the league for a reason and would thrive with us. He also puts a hard shift in.
{Ed001's Note - he goes through long periods of being unable to hit the side of a barn mate. He is very hot and cold. Works hard and I do like him a lot, but he can be very wasteful too.}