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28 Aug 2024 18:00:17
Next in the door shall be Rabbiot on sign on fee. Wages seems to be differentiator. 3 year contract.
Rabbiot may be waiting for hefty payday in Saudi.
1.) 28 Aug 2024 18:40:01
Rabbiot is not a DM. Just saying.
2.) 28 Aug 2024 18:50:59
Ever get anything right?
27 Aug 2024 21:15:52
We will see some signings end of window possible incoming.
Mamadarshilvi
Inacio
Rabboit
Chiesa.
1.) 27 Aug 2024 21:37:21
Henry needs some yacht fuel to get home so we will probably have to sell more players first.
2.) 27 Aug 2024 21:41:33
Wouldn't want Rabiot anywhere near the club.
3.) 27 Aug 2024 21:42:39
I would be happy with that.
4.) 27 Aug 2024 21:54:39
Swap Rabiot with Varela and I would be happy with the above… I think… don’t think any get near the starting line up thou and we have a pretty strong bench already ?.
5.) 27 Aug 2024 22:01:35
Can see a homegrown me. mega money to everton.
6.) 27 Aug 2024 22:31:29
Would be happy with the top two for now.
7.) 27 Aug 2024 22:59:55
I don't think Rabiot is coming. The other ones possibly.
8.) 27 Aug 2024 23:09:02
“Henry needs some yacht fuel to get home so we will probably have to sell more players first. ”
Yes I don’t know how we’ll cope with losing Van Den Berg who has 4 Liverpool appearances in 3/ 4 seasons, or Carvalho with him ripping it up in red.
Or any of the young loanees.
All is lost.
9.) 27 Aug 2024 23:13:35
Is this a prediction or any knowledge here? Seems rather late in the window to be making three more deals….
10.) 27 Aug 2024 23:32:49
Rabiot can kick rocks.
11.) 28 Aug 2024 07:18:35
It’s called panic Firmane.
12.) 28 Aug 2024 07:50:01
No contacts signed either Ginger, let alone a player incoming to improve our team.
In the words of your captain “We need help”.
23 Aug 2024 11:57:46
Chelsea look set to offload quite a few players on loan or permanent, Eds are we interested in any like Diasi who can come on 1 year loan.
{Ed002's Note - Disasi is potentially being sold but Liverpool has no interest.}
16 Aug 2024 07:57:36
Don't MZ and Merino play as double pivot for soceidad, eds if u are aware that was he discussed and are we trying to get him instead of MZ.
{Ed002's Note - He is close to a move elsewhere. Liverpool has no interest.}
07 Aug 2024 23:47:59
Eds with Zubimeindi anticipated arrival. will this mean we will be open to endo moving on?
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are already open to him leaving but priced him out of a move to Marseille.}
1.) 08 Aug 2024 09:43:23
Funny how Liverpool 'price players out of moves' whilst other teams buy and sell for over the odds.
Endo is the Captain of Japan, and was the best player on the pitch for various games last season.
Endo Boossed both City and CFC's MF last season.
12m you say?
{Ed002's Note - Why do you think Liverpool have been unable to sell players they want to move on? Hughes gave a price for a player to another club's representative after she had made a good offer - and refuled to negotiate. This is a player Liverpool want to sell.}
2.) 08 Aug 2024 09:55:04
It must be down to market value based on data/ comparitives, surely? High level operators/ business people, which LFC's management are must be informed.
LFC used to get low balled and undersold frequently when Moores was in charge and it was painful to watch.
3.) 08 Aug 2024 11:33:36
Correction Ed, Liverpool would be willing to sell at the right price.
I’d sell lots of stuff at the right price but that doesn’t mean I’d let people have stuff for less than it’s worth.
£12m for Endo is a pathetic offer and I for one am glad we gave them a short shrift and told them to do one. I’d be more worried if we’d accepted an offer like that.
{Ed002's Note - It is not a pathetic offer and there was room for some negotiation - but Hughes wouldn't have it.}
4.) 08 Aug 2024 12:04:54
We paid 16mil for him last summer BP and don’t seee a world where his value has increased since then.
If we see no space for him in the team then negotiate up from 12mil to get as close to our money back we can.
5.) 08 Aug 2024 13:31:35
I think we’d all agree we got a really good deal when signing Endo and his value will have increased given that he’s shown he can be affective in a top premier league team.
You get nothing for less than £20m usually but we got lucky.
The question is if we sell him for £12m can we get a replacement that’s as good as him for that money? Not a chance.
He’s worth more than £20m easily so for me, £12m is an insult. We might as well keep him.
6.) 08 Aug 2024 13:46:37
12M? What do you they are smoking over there?
I guess everybody has a price for everything, just that there is no agreement.
Seller want to sell high, and buyer want to buy low. Inevitable.
But @beckers pecker, I agree man. I would be very concerned if we sold Endo for 12M.
I think his shirt sales in Japan alone, generating new and more fans there, especially due the deal with Nike, Endo worth easily 2 times that, if not more.
Like I said, everybody has a price.
CLoser to 30M then should there be a temptation to sell.
Even for Philip, we took a stance and lose out.
But Philip really isn't playing, and that stance looks a bit foolish in hindhight.
However if you think Jordan Ibe, Benteke, Coutinho, Danny Ward, Danny Ings, Hoever, Brewster, Grujic, Harry Wilson. we did not sell too badly. Hate to see Endo breaking that trend.
7.) 08 Aug 2024 14:14:42
I feel like this haggling over the sale price of players we either want to sell or are ok to sell is a hallmark of Edwards lol Hughes has picked up the baton well.
8.) 08 Aug 2024 15:25:03
There’s no way Endo is worth 20m. We paid 16m get that back after a year is fair.
9.) 08 Aug 2024 15:30:44
Spot on, Faith. There's a reason Edwards used to get pelted for being in over his head for pricing players like Markovic at the time that club was desperate to sell, out of moves for no reason, as Ed02 has said with Endo.
10.) 08 Aug 2024 15:46:22
Ed02, can you share any opinions on Richard Hughes reputation within the football community? Is it common for him to be reluctant to negotiate?
{Ed002's Note - I don’t think we want to go down that route. The lady from Marseille is used to folk being a lot more professional- except for West Ham.}
11.) 08 Aug 2024 18:43:13
Great so we've gone from being unprofessional and tapping up players, to being rude and not even attempting to negotiate.
Why can't we just be run normally!
12.) 08 Aug 2024 19:55:27
Wasn't Endo in the final year of his contract when we bought him and not likely to sign another deal? Therefore, his value could conceivably be higher now with a longer contract at LFC.
13.) 08 Aug 2024 22:44:08
People have to want him, is he worth 20-30 mill at his age, debatable. Do we want to go get rid? Apparently. Surely just recouping the input is decent enough considering they want to replace him. I personally like him, but depends if he'll fit in the new system.
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21 Aug 2024 13:41:06
Hello EDs are you aware if the club has atleast started negotiating contract renewals with any of TAA, VVD or Salah?
{Ed002's Note - They must have found out about their intentions.}
1.) 21 Aug 2024 14:29:07
They all want to extend their deals and finish their careers at Liverpool.
All the contracts were drawn up and finalised. Just about to sign. Hughes pops his head in for 5 seconds and now they all want to join Manchester United.
2.) 21 Aug 2024 14:46:31
I’d love to see all 3 sign new contracts.
I can’t really see any evidence from on the pitch that the 3 are due to drop out of our strongest starting 11 and the only major concern to not extend is people are worried about our wage bill which I can’t fathom.
09 Aug 2024 07:09:03
I think before window closes
1. We will sign a CM to play as a 6. Endo will be sold along with Carvalho and youngsters will go out on loan
2 CB if SVB and Gomez are taying none will be signed.
1.) 09 Aug 2024 10:31:14
I’d keep Endo as back up rather than sell for 10 mill. If our new DM gets injured leaves us back at square 1.
15 Jul 2024 14:53:47
What about DDG as 2nd choice keeper. also Hermoso from. Athelico is available on free. would not be bad replacement for Gomez if he moved on . he can cover LB as well.
1.) 15 Jul 2024 16:07:17
de Gea wants to be first choice. And he was paid something like £300k a week at Man U.
Do you not think if he was going to climb down significantly enough from those sort of demands to be a viable consideration, he'd have been signed by someone by now? Also he hasn't played football in a year.
2.) 15 Jul 2024 17:27:33
I think DDG would probably take a massive pay cut on hos Utd wages because anything a club offers him is far more than the zero he's earned in the last year.
However I can't see him going to a club to be second choice. If anything i can't really see him making a return to football. From Spains first choice to without a club for 12 months is quite a turn around in a few years.
3.) 15 Jul 2024 17:55:23
Knowing FSG inside out (or whoever is running the club) it would Adrian for another 156 years ???.
{Ed001's Note - the Adrian who has just signed for Real Betis? That Adrian?}
4.) 15 Jul 2024 18:31:11
Ouch ??.
5.) 15 Jul 2024 18:40:18
Well that’s a real shame ??. The window is still open though ??.
6.) 15 Jul 2024 18:58:28
You know them inside out but you don't know who's running the club?
7.) 15 Jul 2024 19:58:44
Open mouth and insert foot. Consistently amazing and fun to watch and read. ?.
8.) 15 Jul 2024 21:12:55
Looks like someone forgot to take his meds today.
02 Jul 2024 06:26:04
Got it MOT Fever but we should look at Bijol from udinese and Slovenia. solid no nonsense CB and also a leader who marshal's the defence.
1.) 02 Jul 2024 07:51:21
Perhaps we already have, I would like to think that our scouting system is a bit more advanced than watching a match or two on the telly.
2.) 02 Jul 2024 11:04:00
I thought Drkusic was the only Slovenia defender who wasn’t completely bypassed every time if I’m honest mate. If Portugal (particularly Ronaldo) had been able to finish last night they’d have won comfortably. Drkusic to be fair to him actually nullified Ronaldo’s aerial threat which takes some doing. But even he gave away the penalty for clattering Jota and got booked for a mistimed tackle on Leao. Oblak is the only Slovenia player who is good enough for a title chasing Premier League team in my opinion. He was incredible as always.
3.) 02 Jul 2024 11:46:38
Always rated Oblak. He's the only keeper I'd say is better than Alisson!
4.) 02 Jul 2024 11:48:25
MOTD fever. If he was any good he’d have made the usual trip from Udinese to Watford by now….
5.) 02 Jul 2024 12:13:05
No match of the day fever from me VV, I've always rated him. He's been solid for years and I'm sure he was our primary target before we went for Ali. I'm very happy we got Ali though, he's been absolutely immense!
6.) 02 Jul 2024 12:17:27
If we wanted a defender like that we would be keeping and playing Phillips. Defenders like that are suited to and play well in a low block like Slovenia did yesterday but it's not our game.
Not saying I don't agree though, there's a lot to be said for an old fashioned defender in my book but it's just not the way for most modern top sides, unfortunately in my opinion.
7.) 02 Jul 2024 12:43:05
The OP was talking about their defender Bijol, 2Shoes. It’s pretty evident that Oblak is one of the best keepers in the world, it’s certainly between him, Ali, Ederson and Courtois for that title.
8.) 02 Jul 2024 17:32:05
No way is oblak better than Ali, Ali does so much more than simply stop shots, he’s elite with the ball at his feet tok.
{Ed025's Note - not much between them for me PB, but i think Alisson just shades it mate..
9.) 02 Jul 2024 17:45:40
I think oblak suits a team that doesn’t want to concede at all costs, ed, whereas Ali js a goalie for a team that wants to play on the front foot always, he’s a world class goalie and a top notch footballer.
{Ed025's Note - i agree with all of that mate..
10.) 02 Jul 2024 19:58:44
Oblak a terrific shot stopper as is Ali, but Ali is better at passing and distribution. He’s also a better goal scorer ;-)
11.) 02 Jul 2024 21:19:56
Oblak plays/ has played in a VERY defensive system while Ali plays/ has played in a team that plays arguably the most open style of football in all of Europe for years now and is still rated as the best on this planet in spite of how exposed he is unlike Oblak who is nowhere near as exposed.
There's no 'shading" for me. Ali is levels above Oblack even tho, Oblak is a top shot stopper and great leader. Just my take.
12.) 02 Jul 2024 23:16:37
Oli, I thought you were sick of Lijnders' football and wanted us to return to the heavy metal style yet you think we are 'a team that plays arguably the most open style of football in all of Europe for years now'.
13.) 03 Jul 2024 07:11:06
Rigsby ?.
14.) 03 Jul 2024 08:38:20
All of those keepers mentioned could break an arm and still be an upgrade on Pickford.
15.) 03 Jul 2024 11:12:57
Rigsby, not sure what you mean cos one has nothing to do with the other. And yes, we still played an open style of football whether in the wretched possession system which I hate or in the high press system which I love.
The diff. is that we do NOT press near as much nor as effectively in transition to win the ball back in the possession system than we did in the full throttle way we played before. So indeed yes, we have been playing a very open style of football overall for years now.
16.) 03 Jul 2024 13:24:41
Oli, we wouldn't be pressing as much if we had more possession of the ball, would we?
And when do you think the last time we played full throttle regularly was?
When we won the PL and CL and had our best side for years we were not playing full throttle football.
Watch the CL final win against Spurs again and tell me we played full throttle. Or watch it twice and tell me!
17.) 03 Jul 2024 17:26:44
Rigsby, you are all over the place here and not for the first time. We won both trophies by playing the full throttle football until we changed to a more possession style hence, the signing of Thiago so there goes one of you points.
Secondly, The CL game was a tactical masterclass of us not letting Spurs get anything from us after we scored first. We played conservatively by letting Spurs have the ball on purpose (some say, we parked he bus) and played on the counter cos we were not interested in opening up. So why would we press or play full throttle when we were deliberately parking the bus and daring Spurs to break us down? I'll wait.
Also, the last time we played we played full throttle was vs City a couple months back at Anfield and we were left open several times due to the way we played them cos that is the only way to beat City and we should have done. Whether it be Ali or Kellerher in goal, we would have played that way cos that is City's kryptonite.
I seem to have covered all the bases then. Peace.
18.) 04 Jul 2024 07:51:00
Oli, you have given an example of us playing 'conservatively' in one of our biggest games for years and before Thiago signed. Watch the game against Sheffield United away the season we won the League. We played 'conservatively' for a dull 0-1 win.
The only way to beat City is not full throttle football. Real Madrid knocked them out of the CL last season by playing 'conservatively'. Albeit they won on penalties but they did not play throttle. Real don't play full throttle football, Oli.
17 Jun 2024 02:49:31
Under new ownership and specially under Klopp we were prepared to let players fulfill or run down their contract and give them free transfer.
Lallana, milner, keita, Clyne
Can, gini, firmino, Ox are just a few
It seems we may go same route with Salah
We consider this smart business or otherwise?
1.) 17 Jun 2024 04:05:03
I'm sure it's not a strategy to let players walk for nothing. But when you weigh up everything, I guess there are occasions where the club are prepared to let it happen.
2.) 17 Jun 2024 04:38:36
I think it's more a case of not having better alternative options rather than a purely business decision.
Whether it be Klopps's preference/ loyalty for a player, a lack of suitable replacements or a lack of funds (or indeed a combination of those last two) or a lack of a buyer of a player who is on higher wages than anyone else is willing to match or simply too high a price tag, we have not been able to sell to buy in the way City have. [I think you can remove Milly from that list, he was on a rolling contract and we rung him dry in terms of ability and effort]
Personally, I think we should sell Salah for anything approaching 50mil from the Saudis and indeed sell Diaz if he has a strong bid put in for him.
For all the accusations levelled at City, they have consistently sold players for good fees and been able to reinvest. We haven't (with the exception of Coutinho) and had to squeeze all we could from our players. We've punched above our weight with Klopp but he was also exceptional. We need to be able to sell players for a decent fee in order to be able to reinvest.
In that vein, I think we got lucky getting the combined fees we did for Fabinho and Henderson. I am not sure they would have gone anywhere, let alone for the fees they did and in turn we managed to heavily invest in the midfield. Of course FSG added funds but selling is huge part of us staying sustainable.
3.) 17 Jun 2024 07:14:54
All of them shoyld have been sold except bfr their contract ended in my opinion . bad management really. people sayin on this site keep Salah this year n let him go on a free next year , like it's nothing to lose millions of ££s. doesn't make any financial sense.
4.) 17 Jun 2024 07:38:37
You can't force players to be sold or to sign new contracts. Clubs don't own players anymore. You can thank Marc Bosman for that.
An alternative is handing out long contracts to players like Chelsea have done but the downside is possibly giving them a comfort zone and taking some of their hunger away.
5.) 17 Jun 2024 09:31:07
Jean Marc Bosman was the test case, but it was EU law. He just happened to be the player to test the law.
Quite right too, once you fulfil a contract, why should a team/ business have any hold over you?
6.) 17 Jun 2024 09:35:52
The thing is though @Strom that both the player and the club agree to the contract and both parties will be aware of the potential outcomes when the contract ends. You’d have to say that the club goes into these things with their eyes wide open and fully aware of the potential consequences.
7.) 17 Jun 2024 10:02:56
Salah is still comfortably in the top 5 players in the Premier League though.
This isn’t case of keeping someone far too long like with Keita, Lallana, Clyne, Ox etc. Salah is still producing the goods. Same as Bobby was right up until his last game.
I don’t understand the desperation to get a few million in the bank instead of enjoying one more year of arguably the best (certainly the most consistent) player we’ve had for 30+ years.
8.) 17 Jun 2024 10:18:33
I love this conversation tho. really puts the idea of "loyalty" to the test lol.
9.) 17 Jun 2024 12:42:34
It's a stupid strategy, especially when we are a club that relies on sales for funding of transfers.
10.) 17 Jun 2024 16:30:39
It’s never a “strategy”.
How can it be?
You sign a player to a contract. If they want to sign an extension, that’s up to them. If they want to see their contract out, that’s up to them.
If they want to join another club which has made an acceptable offer, that’s up to them.
The player always has the right to stick to their contract. If the club wants to sell them then the player has the right to say “no”.
11.) 17 Jun 2024 17:41:07
Which "new" ownership are you talking about? Coz the last time I checked, FSG were our owners for 5 years plyus till they hirded Klopp.
12.) 17 Jun 2024 17:48:48
We could put all the players on zero hour contracts.
13.) 17 Jun 2024 18:38:45
I agree with most that it was not a stratergy rather the outcome of different reasons. but one of them was also asking too high for player who were not in our long term plans. or holding them too long.
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Any ways thanks for the inputs. regarding salah. I will be happy for him to stay if his goals help us entertain and win some silver wear. And then he gets a fat sign on fees with our best wishes.
It would also be good to give him 2 years contract with low fix and high performance related bonus
New Ownership I meant the current owners if it was not obvious. E.
02 Sep 2024 17:40:36
You mean Stones, Dias, Akanji, Gvardiol are all asking to leave Man city as mostly 2 or 3 of them start games.
02 Sep 2024 12:02:32
We are still reliant on Ali and VVD. Konate also has required exp and skill. But we need 3rd CB who is more capable then Qunasha and Gomez are at the moment.
I happy for Quansha to have game time but along side VVD.
04 Aug 2024 20:27:25
Sell with First option, 3 years buy back for double amt and sell on percentage to any transfer.
Or 2 year loan.
04 Aug 2024 20:24:29
Carvalho 15m
CLark 8m
SVB 9m
Endo 12m
Offers rejected for above.
28 Jun 2024 20:04:45
You have to agree with eds here. look how much money chelsea make by selling players who are on loan, guehi, tomorrow, Abraham etc. latest to join Hutchinson.
Who is last liverpool players who perform well on loan and then was sold for hefty sum. only IBe comes to my mind.
Chelsea have a seriously good business model where in they make lots of money on loaning and selling young players.
{Ed001's Note - and then use that money to buy worse players on a higher wage. It is far from a good business model and it has left them mired in midtable. Their system may make money, but it doesn't make sense.}
15 Aug 2024 16:15:40
Our GK and Fwd may match them.
But their Def and Mid has better quality in depth overall.
15 Aug 2024 16:19:22
TAA may not like the rotation.
RM will be planning ahead of Carvahal at RB.
The contract situation with TAA is not ideal with RM looking for RB shortly.
15 Aug 2024 16:17:23
If we Rotate TAA, he will look to move on.
Carvahal.
11 Aug 2024 09:52:14
TAA will sign long term.
VVD on 2 + 1 year deal
Salah may be to leave on free end of season.
10 Aug 2024 10:14:18
Zenden is one.