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19 Jan 2022 01:01:14
Hi all,

This has been bothering me for a while. I've posted a couple of times recently and was told I was being patronising by JK23. Apologies if you felt that way, I didn't mean to but I want to express myself in the face of increasing negativity around the team recently.

So how bad are things really?

So far this season we are in all 4 competitions. We have lost just 2 games all season, that's right just 2!

We still have the potential to reach 96 points. With the exception of 3 years, that would be a championship winning total.

Manchester city are amazing. Sometimes it's right to take your hat off and applaud an amazing team and manager. Yes they have had money but so have others and they are not doing the same thing. Pep has done an incredible job, I wish he hadn't but instead of bashing my team as not being good enough, it's a case of recognising dominance from another.

I agree that this team needs to rebuild but that doesn't mean where we are this season is calamity. City have moved the goalposts, where we are now is 2nd to the greatest team in premier league history. I want to be number one too but to read some of the comments on here is crazy, the way people are going on you would think we were Everton!

We pride ourselves in our fan base, both at Anfield and around the world. I was told on here that responding to someone saying they are sick of positive people like me, with reminder of YNWA was wrong. I believe in my team and fellow reds. I don't think we don't all have the right to an opinion but things recently are way out of proportion. The owners are leaches, the squad is crap and we're heading for disaster. Does YNWA actually mean anything or is it just another clever revenue ploy?

We're 2nd with only 2 loses all season, we have one of the best managers in the game, we have some world class players. I remember the 90s, I remember 2008 and the fallout. This is a great time to be following our team. Sorry if I sound patronising but someone should be allowed to push back against the tide of doom mongers.

I genuinely stand by you all as a supporter of this club and hope this is taken in the spirit it was intended in.


{Ed0666's Note - there is no room for context and common sense on this site mate so fu*k off with that bollox! No seriously we’ll said mate.

1.) 19 Jan 2022 01:51:00
Pretty sure moving the goalposts is against the laws of the game. If this is what City have been doing someone should look into it.

2.) 19 Jan 2022 02:23:13
Ed0666 🤣.

3.) 19 Jan 2022 05:08:52
Pot when did I say you were being patronising mate?

The fact you say this has been bothering you for a while bothers me massively. I like to debate and banter with anyone and everyone on here and a lot of the stuff I say might be tongue in cheek or to some appear argumentative but I’d never set out to make someone feel like crap.

I only ever offer my opinion on here and that’s all it is. I never claim that it’s an opinion that everyone should have and I enjoy reading everyone else’s regardless of what side of the fence they are on.

4.) 19 Jan 2022 06:17:53
Hi JK23,

I didn't mean to single you out (although I did) . I could have chosen many more posters but I picked you because you do come across as reasonable and I wanted to address the negativity around as opposed to a slanging match with other posters on here. Hence choosing your fine self.

Having said that .

14 Jan 2022 08:04:46
The super positive fans talking down to the fans who dare raise any concerns couldn’t be anymore condescending if they tried.

14 Jan 2022 10:31:21
WDW as they say mate there’s two sides to every story and I leave reading both.

Regardless of what any fans opinions is though to be told perhaps they should support another side or do you know what YNWA means isn’t really a point. It’s being condescending.

Only my opinion though. Now where’s my big star.

I thought you had a point about being condescending (Not patronising), hence my apology. That's why I tried to write a new post clarifying my point of view and trying very hard not to be condescending 😂

And the bit about being bothered was not about you but the general doom and gloom about everything LFC related on here recently. I agree about opinions (like arseholes, everyones got one) but sometimes a little perspective from the mob would be nice.

Sorry to stress you out, nothing but love man!


5.) 19 Jan 2022 06:42:36
JK23 is easily one of the best best posters on the site along with Mcgoveb.

6.) 19 Jan 2022 07:09:39
Potclay cheers for reply mate and I remember the post now. To be honest although I commented it on your post it wasn’t directly aimed at yo mate. . For me it’s a bug bearing (my bug bearing) when people use the YNWA in a debate.

People are more than entitled to use it in their arguments but they are always quick to forget about it when they have a little moan (be it Naby, Couts or any range of LFC topic, even Klopp moans when things don’t go well)

For me no fan is bullet proof enough to stand on that pedestal to say that to another Lfc fan or even worse you should support another club nonsense that I’ve see people post numerous times.

We regard ourselves as the best fans in the world and we all have different opinions but the one common denominator is our love for this great club. And we all hurt and react differently when things don’t go well be it over 90 mins for some fans or longer for the more patient fans.

Ps I’m sure lots on here would disagree with you calling me reasonable lol.

7.) 19 Jan 2022 07:15:25
The problem is that a lot of posters lack objectivity. I would have to say that JK23 certainly isn't one of them. I find him to be a measured and reasonable poster.

A few ifs and buts in your post Potclay but I can't argue with the positivity. I just hope you haven't just jinxed us for Thursday night tho, being in 4 trophies and all that.

8.) 19 Jan 2022 07:41:40
Nice posts lads, JK23 is sound as a pound and you seem cool to Pot. All about opinions lads.

9.) 19 Jan 2022 08:24:33
TT I am truly heartbroken that you did not include me on that list of"Best Best Poster's"I shall be taking this complaint further.

10.) 19 Jan 2022 08:40:59
I think one of the issues is that Klopp and the players have set the bar so high, we as fans sometimes forget how lucky we are and as someone said recently (JK I think actually), if City weren't where they are now, it would likely have been us winning multiple league titles. Is our team still world class? Yes, just look at our CL group progress this season. But we still need investment as this time won't last forever.

11.) 19 Jan 2022 10:02:03
Cheers lads you’re going to make me blush lol.

For me I think the season so far has been a very good one with the CL and League Cup so far being the real icing on the cake.

With regards to transfers I think it’s proven that just throwing money at transfers doesn’t always work (Utd, Everton etc) but buying quality does.

City and Chelsea weren’t winning titles prior to their take overs but both play the percentage game. Due to their finances they can afford to buy in bulk and not every transfer has to work out. Buying quality was the difference for us to eventually winning the Premier league and becoming a European force again.

You only have to look around Europe to see the teams who dominate their leagues are usually the ones who spend money and buy quality. Barcelona aren’t the best example at the mo but they have been competitive in Spain and Europe over the last however many years spending money on quality (it’s only the last few years they been throwing money at everything bar quality)

For me I don’t want the owners to spend big money Willy Nilly on signings like our main rivals City, Utd and Chelsea but I would like us to be buying quality. Not spending any money at all isn’t going to get either. And more worrying the quality that we do have Salah (world class) and Mane (who can be amazing on his day) seem to be stuck in limbo with regards to contracts.

As Pot says in his first post. There’s loads to be cheerful about this season and we are very much still in the running for 4 (maybe 3 trophies) but that doesn’t mean we can’t also be a little concerned about the medium and long term plan of our beloved club.

12.) 19 Jan 2022 10:28:16
Ahh see we can all get along, group hug everyone 🤗.

13.) 19 Jan 2022 10:55:34
No hugging until you buy me dinner 1st, house rules.

14.) 19 Jan 2022 11:07:02
@Barry, you have the best Display image for any poster 😍😍.

15.) 19 Jan 2022 12:34:53
Ok I'll take that TT. The little dude on my knee will be 7 in 2 weeks and the dudett with my arm around will be 10 in March. He was only a few weeks when that picture was taken.

16.) 19 Jan 2022 12:16:33
Irish - couldn't agree more! Objectivity is the key. Hope I haven't jinxed us too!

Stuie - Also agree, things have been pretty great in the recent years.

JK - Mate I totally understand why YNWA could be a bug bear when used in a debate. It's a sort of win all argument that could be used at any time. I also feel that it's something that we should live up to and not just sing about. It's like being a friend and what that means to each of us. For me it means I'm there for you in the tough times, not everyone sees it the way I do.

Interesting what you say about Keita, Couts, etc. For me it's pretty simple. It swings both ways. A player like Coutinho feigned back injury to leave the club, he didn't have my back (pun intended) and so I don't feel like he deserves the YNWA treatment. Keita, for me, is a red, he plays for my club, he wears the shirt, he gets my support. I get why people are on his back but I don't really like it, all I know is that he takes the field and I want him to score a beauty. I remember when Stevie G said he was leaving for Chelsea, I took my screensaver of him down! YNWA means looking after your own until your own turn their back on you. Torres, Owen, etc. wanted out. God, Garcia, Enrique, players who didn't want to leave, YNWA.

Thanks all for the chat and for the objectivity, YNWA 😉.

17.) 19 Jan 2022 13:59:32
I remember that well Barry 🤎.

18.) 19 Jan 2022 20:29:55
"JK23 is a lovely, accommodating poster who always aims to please" - Big John.

19.) 20 Jan 2022 07:32:17
Haha brilliant Zed.



25 Dec 2021 14:54:41
Hearing rumours that Salah will sign a new contract til 2025. Eds.?


{Ed002's Note - Maybe if he drops his demands.}

1.) 26 Dec 2021 14:55:48
Ed2. Do you know how much money per week Salah is asking for? If u would prefer not to get into that no problem.

{Ed002's Note - I know what Ramy Abbas was asking Real Madrid for and it will be similar to that. It is a huge amount.}

2.) 26 Dec 2021 15:33:36
Hes leaving. Just get used to it.

3.) 26 Dec 2021 15:50:58
As much as I like Salah and I have absolutely no problem with him being our best paid player I don't go along with this give him what he wants contract. Opens a can of worms as regards our other world class players. If salah on 500k a week why shouldn't vvd be on 450k a week etc etc. I think the club should make him our best paid player but they do have to draw a line.

4.) 26 Dec 2021 17:57:56
I didn’t actually realise Bobbys contract ended the same time. So basically in 12 months time 3 of our 4 main forwards can all start negotiating free transfers. Yes the club shouldn’t be held to ransom but surely there would have been a bit of foresight into this.
200 mill plus of talent leaving for far less or worse free.

5.) 26 Dec 2021 18:19:27
They'll all be over 30 and with the exception of Salah have, according to the experts on here anyway, been declining at a rate of knots. So 2 of the 3, again according to the experts, shouldn't really be missed should they?

6.) 26 Dec 2021 19:03:10
Yeah agree how dare them experts have different opinions on an opinions site.

7.) 26 Dec 2021 19:25:11
Who said they couldn't? Very sensitive. Point is if 2 of the 3 are in such decline then they won't be any loss and easily replaced.

8.) 26 Dec 2021 20:31:41
Handbags lads 🤣🤣.

9.) 26 Dec 2021 21:59:40
No handbags at all Marty. Klopp leaves the year after so he's not going to be overly worried about their contracts is he? In fact a complete rebuild with new players might keep him interested in staying on.

10.) 27 Dec 2021 01:05:11
will anyone else pay him 500k a week?

11.) 27 Dec 2021 05:12:33
Yes if he becomes a free agent.

12.) 27 Dec 2021 07:41:17
@JK23 - what makes you possibly imagine that the club doesn’t know when first team players’ contract expire? Serious question - just because it is the first time the subject has been brought up on a fans forum has no bearing on what the club has done, is doing or will do.

13.) 27 Dec 2021 08:57:28
WDW You must be an MP mate because how you have managed to come away from what I wrote with the club doesn’t know when the players contracts expires is kind boggling. As if I would suggest the elite mega rich business men don’t know when the contracts expire.

My point was that they all expire at the same time. In a few months time 1, 2 or 3 might have all signed new contracts and it will be all hunky dory. I’ve never negotiated a contract with a footballer before so I’m only guessing here but the fact all 3 can negotiate free transfers in 12 months or be sold for a pittance in 6 tells me that they currently hold all the power. For 3 of our best / important players to be in that situation for me lacks foresight. But hey ho it’s only an opinion.

14.) 27 Dec 2021 10:00:15
So what was the club supposed to do about it JK?

15.) 27 Dec 2021 10:08:43
Keep Salah, only club in the world where the fans would entertain the best player on the planet leaving instead of breaking our wage structure.

16.) 27 Dec 2021 10:11:35
Why shouldn't the best player in the world be paid what he is worth.

Give Salah what he wants or someone else will.

17.) 27 Dec 2021 10:20:13
Good question Flash.

As a fan I can only give an opinion and no opinion is ever right or wrong as their just individual to that person. For me the simple answer is get these players tied down to new contracts. Even if it’s just to protect their value.

The fact that all 3 expire in 18 months hasn’t just crept up on the club. They would have known this the last 3 or so years when they initially signed.

I must be the only fan worried then that in the next 30 months we could as a club lose any of Mane, Salah, Bobby and Klopp. Or worst case all 4.

Yes no player or any 1 person is bigger than the club and players and managers leave all the time. But the 3 players could leave for a massive £0 or in the summer we can sell the 3 for £100 mill and bring in Bowen and Toure

But as I said some or all might sign a new contract soon and all will be looking good but I’m just debating it now as we are allowed to debate stuff as fans even if it it differs from other fans opinions.

Personally I’d love to see all 3 stay here due to how great they have been for the club and are still producing on the pitch. But as every month goes on for me it is less and less likely but that’s just me guessing from the outside.

Flash, WDW and Mane oh Mane I’d actually love to hear what your actual thoughts are on it. As you’ve fired the questions out but you seem happy with the situation 🤝.

18.) 27 Dec 2021 10:23:11
JH not only does it seem fans are happy for Salah to leave but they’ve turned a blind eye to the fact that Mane and Bobby could follow him.

Like the wife leaving you and you’re happy she takes the two kids also 🤣.

19.) 27 Dec 2021 07:12:00
how much did they ask real to pay ed?

{Ed002's Note - Too much.}

20.) 27 Dec 2021 11:57:56
We have to keep salah.

21.) 27 Dec 2021 13:25:24
I said previously that one or both of Mane and Firmino may be sold / allowed to leave to retain Salah.

22.) 27 Dec 2021 14:21:57
Listen, we have the best trio upfront we could ask for and any club would love to be have what we have. Include Jota in that. The lad is making a name for himself slowly but surely.

We need to be VERY careful because losing 2 of the 3/ 4 could absolutely destroy us. Call me dramatic that's fine, we need to start upping our wages and giving our best players what they want. This is football now whether we agree with it or not (I don't ) if we don't agree to salahs demands somebody else will and we'll be left with god knows who.

Times are changing, football is no longer a sport, we need to keep our best players it all comes down to money. I think salah will sign a new contract but the doubt is there, why hasn't it being done yet? There's a reason. If we don't pay him what he wants then we're fools. He's the best player in the world, give the man what he wants before he goes elsewhere.

23.) 27 Dec 2021 16:13:34
I partly agree with that Salah (the poster, lol) .
Ordinarily, and my preference, would be to keep the old front 3 until they’re done, so to speak.
But wages are going ever up and there’ll quickly reach a point where the output of the players may not match their wages. Salah looks to be the one with more credit in that equation, and they’re going to need replacements at some point in any case.
By the time Klopp leaves, in Summer 2024 as it stands, a rebuild is required.
I think we’ll keep Salah and van Dijk as the top earners but a number of other senior players will probably leave or finish with Klopp.

24.) 27 Dec 2021 16:16:12
I'm not firing out any questions nor would I be happy to lose them but to play devil's advocate here, Bobby will be 8 years here, Sadio 7 and Mo 6 by the time 2023 comes around. Maybe they all want to leave and be free to go where they want like Emre Can did? Who knows? Maybe that's why Mo is looking for an absolute fortune because he knows we can't pay and he walks away with his reputation intact and its all the clubs fault.

25.) 27 Dec 2021 16:45:24
Mane oh mane interesting take on it and you could be right. I’d hate to sell these players at any price but if they aren’t willing to sign then the only option would be to sell them and now it would be at a huge discounted price. As I know for a fact we cannot as a club afford these to leave on frees. Not with our net spend under these current owners.

26.) 27 Dec 2021 17:12:59
Exactly JK23, I'm not putting down any person's opinion. As I said I'm playing devil advocate. Out of the 3 I'd personally keep Salah and Mane (personal preference though I love Bobby) . Others will think differently and that's fine. As for Mo stating he "wants to stay at the club", footballers are like politicians they'll say what the majority want to hear.

27.) 27 Dec 2021 17:34:13
Oh mane mane me making out you were putting other opinions down last night might have been the beer talking 👀🤣. So for that I apologise 🤝.

28.) 27 Dec 2021 18:23:03
No harm done pal and its your opinion and you've expanded on it so absolutely no problem. Me, I've swayed to the side that thinks Mo wants to go (will be delighted to be proven wrong) so I'm just going to enjoy having him play for us.

29.) 27 Dec 2021 20:39:54
In answer to your question about the contract extensions JK, without knowing the ins and outs of what's involved in the discussions it's hard to give a considered opinion.
I don't pay attention to the media spouting things like Salah wants half a million a week or he's demanding that we sign player X or he's off, so all we've really got to go on is Klopp's word that talks with Salah are progressing.
There's a fine balance to rewarding the players with improved contracts and being aware of the current financial situation, and considering the club's track record with transfers in the last 4 or 5 years I'd say that they've done a damned fine job overall.
So if any of the front 3 really want out then we can't stop them anyway, but other than financial incentives that we can't match almost any other club they go to currently would be a step down from Liverpool.
I don't see any particular reason to worry, the players seem happy and that counts for a lot. Ask Coutinho!

30.) 27 Dec 2021 21:28:10
Good reply that Flash. The only thing I can reply is football is an opinion game and as fans and we don’t know the in and outs of anything that goes on at the club or with the players but there’s nothing wrong with giving an opinion on it.
I get what you’re saying about any other club would be a step down but sadly I have to disagree. For example if Salah was to go to Bayern, Real, PSG or City then the likelihood is he will win plenty of league titles and have a great chance of adding to his CL winners medal. He’s been with us for 4-5 years and has 1 league title and 1 CL (I get the world club cup as well but for me it’s nowhere near as big as the other 2. Not even close) .



19 Nov 2021 01:43:52
Does anyone know about the midfield?

Thiago, Fab and Ox are fit.
Hendo is a doubt.
Keita, Jones and Elliot are out.

We have 8 first team midfielders (9 if you put Taki there), I don't go with those who say we should have bought another midfielder. If 8 isn't enough then what number would be. Unlucky with injuries, that's all.


1.) 19 Nov 2021 07:32:33
Potclay we’ve 8 and from those 3/ 4 are injury prone.
Milly is 36.
Eliot is only coming back from serious injury!
Jones has a eye injury.
I don’t think klopp trusts mini to much!
Our fittest mid left in the summer the ever green gini!
Anyway I disagree and at least one solid mid should of been brought in!

2.) 19 Nov 2021 08:48:33
I don't think it's being unlucky with injuries or players being overly injury prone. Klopp's midfield is a high pressure physically demanding position, players are going to get injured and regularly.
And it would have been nice to have another midfield body, but who was available last summer for the spare change we had from busking outside Anfield?

3.) 19 Nov 2021 11:07:36
Fabinio ok isn't he?

4.) 19 Nov 2021 12:37:51
Fair enough Jay.

At the start of the season we would probably have thought that Elliot and Curtis would have been fit most of the time. Milly and Hendo between them should be able to cover 1 slot and Fab and Thiago could play most games between them as well. Keita and Ox generally have been injured a lot. With the two young lads out, its put pressure on the rest.

5.) 19 Nov 2021 13:25:42
Klopp has a huge squad. If he can't set up a midfield which can function from Fabinho, Thiago, Ox, Taki and Morton then he's not as good as we think he is. He could even play Trent or Neco in there if needed. Matip and Gomez have both played defensive midfield in the past.

Christ how many players do we need before people will stop complaining about injuries. Last season was a freak. No team ever has or will ever again lose their first 5 centre backs to long term injury.

6.) 19 Nov 2021 13:41:42
I think you fully know we should’ve bought a midfielder mate 😂 But we have what we have, and we need to smash Arsenal and get back to winning games.

7.) 19 Nov 2021 20:18:04
Absolutely spot on MK.

8.) 19 Nov 2021 23:46:09
All the squads are large though, and top 4 rivals’ are full of quality too.
That’s just how it is.

9.) 20 Nov 2021 05:54:11
Look we didn’t have the money to buy in the summer and we still need to off load the likes of Ox, Minamino, Origi, Keita (Please let that happen)
The one guy we spent £34m on has sat on his ass for the last 6 months and we didn’t spend wisely in my opinion.
You all panic about Edward’s leaving but without any cash, he can’t do eff all anyway!
We need a new striker and a top class midfielder with a reliable injury record and an engine- FACT.

10.) 20 Nov 2021 08:43:22
so and so being injured, injury prone or not good enough does't change the fact that we have 8 midfielders on the books. thank goodness Edwards is leaving. perhaps we can find someone who can build the squad better

11.) 20 Nov 2021 09:38:54
Some fans seem massively against signings like it’s the devils work. They do realise that we’ve at some point bought every single player in our squad except Trent and Jones etc.
If some people actually believed their own hype then we should never have even signed Salah, Mane and Vvd etc in the first place.

12.) 20 Nov 2021 11:34:48
Spot on, MK. We have 8 midfielders and regardless of whether some are injury prone or not, we have 8 of them, period. Now if we wanted to add a couple then my question then becomes, who leaves? Cos you can’t stockpile players for fun cos there is a 25 player threshold plus the home grown quota.

Also if we had players to sell like Naby, Ox or even Divvy, who was going to take them off our hands fir what we want? How were we supposed to handle the home grown quota thingy? Nobody ever talks about these realities cos it’s easier to big up Gini who isn’t even here anymore, slander FSG cos that’s too easy, than recognises these issues.

I wanted Bissouma from jump as well but all I mentioned above is the actual reality, not FIFA fantasies. We have who we have so deal with it instead of always complaining whenever a player breaks a nail. It’s footie.

13.) 20 Nov 2021 13:41:12
Thiago and A. N. Other OliRed, to answer you briefly, lol.

14.) 20 Nov 2021 14:07:44
Juicer, in English please.

15.) 20 Nov 2021 16:51:09
Agree with you Oli. Look at the team today. 3 on the pitch and 3 on the bench. What crisis were people even fabricating and why? 🤔.

16.) 20 Nov 2021 22:43:54
Don't be daft JK. Both those guys came through the academy lol.



15 Oct 2021 00:54:40
Hi all, with news that Sterling's contract is running out, that he isn't getting game time and that he would be open to another move, possibly overseas. Don't worry, this isn't an opportunity to bash the lad!

He left Liverpool in search of silverware and he certainly succeeded in that. What he may not of anticipated was the silverware we won. Let's face it, the team in 2015 wasn't our best.

So I thought it would be fun to compare trophy hauls and ask, would you rather have 3 Premier leagues, 1 FA cup and 4 league cups or 1 Premier league, 1 European cup, 1 Super cup and 1 world cup.

I'm of an age where domestic trophies were more important than they are today. My youngest would rather have the LFC haul, I am pretty much on the fence. What are your thoughts?


{Ed0666's Note - you mean club World Cup and not World Cup right potclay? I’d probably go for the Liverpool haul as it includes the CL and I’m sure he wants that to put the cherry on the cake for his career.

1.) 15 Oct 2021 01:18:03
Yeah, Obvs! Club world cup. I agree, if City had the champions league, it would be no contest.

2.) 15 Oct 2021 07:44:06
Taking Sterling out of it, I'm taking our haul as it comes as a result of our journey.

3.) 15 Oct 2021 08:03:05
You could make an argument that Sterling may have helped in winning the UCL final, Europa League final, the League Cup final or given us that extra point to win the league, then that would be an impressive haul of league medals had he stayed. You could also argue we would have won nothing with him as well. Its all fine margins.

4.) 15 Oct 2021 08:23:34
But you can't argue he simply jumped at the chance to chase the ££££ like many others did and still do!

5.) 15 Oct 2021 09:29:17
Whenever anyone mentions Sterling I immediately think of the unprovoked attack on our very own meek and unassuming Joe Gomez.
That marks him out as a complete tosser for me. I'm glad we won the big stuff while he had to sit and watch. You just know he must have been thinking "what if".
Tough titties.

6.) 15 Oct 2021 11:41:08
Absolutely Flash. Add to that the utter contempt he showed for the Hillsborough victims and Sean Cox by leading his team mates in singing a song mocking them. The man is vile and should never be welcomed back as long as he lives. He deserves nothing but contempt from us. Unforgivable stuff.

7.) 15 Oct 2021 12:27:53
Can’t beat the slating of a previous player to start a good day off 😜.

Whether you like Sterling or not, for me he had a decent spell for us and we willingly sold him for 50 mill. I might be wrong but I can’t remember him going on strike or forcing his way out and we happily accepted 50 mill for him which isn’t exactly pocket change.

He says he went to win trophies but fans accuse him of going for Money. I don’t think in any line of work people happily move jobs for pay cuts and it certainly doesn’t happen a lot in football especially when there’s a big transfer fee. When all our players negotiate new contracts I doubt it’s for less money so maybe the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

He’s won plenty of medals away from us but hasn’t won the CL. As a Liverpool fan it’s easy to say our success has been better but I’d imagine Sterling is happy with how the move worked out even though it looks like his time at City is coming to an end.

If Sterling had stayed then perhaps the purchase of Mane and Salah wouldn’t have happened. For me both of them have been integral to us winning out silverware so all in all I think the move worked for everyone.

8.) 15 Oct 2021 13:19:23
JK23 he left at a time when city was still investing heavily (not that, that has stopped) and yes a pay rise would be expected but he more than double his earnings to go to a team that was no better than the one he was with. They had the financial clout to push on they still finished 4th and we spanked them 1-4 on their own patch and 3-0 at Anfield!

So trying to pass it off as purely bashing the player is nonsense, call he left because he was getting a lot more cash to do so in a team that wasn't all that great at that point in time other than there cash balance!

Im not even drawing into the songs and gomez issues.

9.) 15 Oct 2021 13:25:29
What unprovoked attack on Gomez is that?

10.) 15 Oct 2021 13:34:15
Fair one mate. Let’s hope if Salah ever leaves it’s for less money than what he’s on now.

11.) 15 Oct 2021 13:51:53
I think of him as a bit petulant and immature but ultimately a great pro and a decent role model. City have a cultural problem in their dressing room which may have led to the chants, and his petulance probably caused the Gomez incident (not really sure what exactly happened) . But Sterling has had troubled upbringing and by all means he has risen beyond it and represents himself very well on and off the pitch. Before Rashford he was the leader in the media on discrimination issues. There are a million teenagers out there who can learn a great deal from Sterling. He doesn't compete with Salah or Mane on the pitch, but as a British role model for the youth he is a very good influence.

12.) 15 Oct 2021 14:12:59
JK23 I quite clearly remember him forcing his way out. He did it publicly which he later acknowledged was wrong, but he and his agent were in the press daily trying to force a move through to City.
Why else would he have been regularly given a hostile reception on his return to Anfield where the fans are known for saluting former players?
The fact that he's still only 26 and is no longer a starter for City suggests he's not all that either, and it is well known that he has a fractious relationship with Guardiola.
Sound familiar?

13.) 15 Oct 2021 14:32:40
Flash as I said I could be wrong but i didn’t remember him pushing his way out. For me though mate the rest still stands. Sterling is old news and I’m more concerned with our own current crop that we have today.

I’m still extremely upset about Rushie joining Juve in 86 for £200 a week more, but my councillor has said I’m almost over it. Once I am sterling will be getting my full hate 😜. That’s a joke by the way gents before anyone loses their s##t.

14.) 15 Oct 2021 14:44:39
Mocking the Hillsborough disaster and Sean Cox being beaten to a pulp are beyond the pale. He deserves nothing but abuse when he plays against us no matter who he plays for and I for one never want to see that vile man wear a Liverpool shirt ever again under any circumstances, that water will never pass under the bridge. Some things are unforgivable and irredeemable. Before bigging up Sterling or comparing him to an actually decent human being like Marcus Rashford, just think what a slap in the face that is to the families of the victims of Hillsborough and Sean Cox.

15.) 15 Oct 2021 22:48:59
The better man eh VVVV?

Rhetorical question time. How many people on the board would say no if somebody approached then with an offer of a new job doing exactly what they do now with a hundred percent. (Or more) pay rise and an increased chance to achieve your personal goals? Just asking.

16.) 15 Oct 2021 22:53:27
OMM I believe it was November 2019 while both Sterling and Gomez were in the England squad. Sterling atacked Gomez with zero provocation, leaving visible scratchmarks. Southgate immediately went to send Sterling home, but Gomez intervened and begged him not to.
It's not something that was covered up, it was major news for a couple of days.
I believe that incident and the way he and his agent Aidy Ward went about using the press to get him a move to City ensured that Sterling won't be returning to Liverpool.
It's very very rare that you'll ever hear me say anything derisory about any player (Liverpool or not), but to me Sterling is a rat.

17.) 16 Oct 2021 17:03:09
That was after they squared up to each other at Anfield the day before. No problem with that for me, better to clear the air and sometimes that means getting physical with each other. Bigger problem back then is the mole who told the press.



08 Sep 2021 01:30:13
Hi Eds,

Can someone please let me know if I'm missing something here.

About the recent Brazilian boys who didn't attend the internationals. The players from the UK were required to quarantine for 14 days upon arrival in Brazil. They would need at least a week to train and play a couple of games. Then on return to the UK a further quarantine of 10 days from a red country. A total of at least 31 days for a couple of games.

I'm of the mindset that if we have internationals then we must respect them. You can't have clubs ruling over countries. However, in this exceptional case, it seems that it would be the reverse and that the countries would be putting an unfair disadvantage over the clubs.

Surely the ruling of Fifa is that the players can play for their clubs. Ed. 002, as I say, am I missing something here.


1.) 08 Sep 2021 12:46:23
Intl football it’s a scourge i absolutely hate it! Don’t watch it either!

2.) 08 Sep 2021 12:46:37
Of course clubs Can over rule there countries, the clubs pay there wages, I hope that the clubs still the 8 players, then we will see what happens, sooner international football is scrapped the better, let's hope fifpro look after the players.

3.) 08 Sep 2021 13:19:46
Well it seems Brazil has asked for the full 5 day punishment. Richarlison has not been punished as Everton released him for the Olympics.

This whole situation makes no sense. 10 days quarantine on return or stop them from going and only lose 5 days. Clubs will continue to take the ban. This is not a good precedent to set.

Whether you are a hater of internationals or not is irrelevant, it's here and it's an issue that needs resolving.

Wages against the honour of playing for your country. Again, irrelevant as the world cup and Euros are not going to disappear. Players get an appearance fee, roughly around £2000. Does that count? Secondly, the majority of players actually dream of playing for their country. For the clubs it's a headache but let's find a way to deal with it instead of incessant whining about how we all hate internationals.

4.) 08 Sep 2021 13:21:19
Apparently Brazilian nationals don't have to quarantine on arrival home. Not sure if this is 100% but it's what I've seen elsewhere.

5.) 08 Sep 2021 13:53:31
What actually can be done to the clubs if they play the players?

6.) 08 Sep 2021 14:02:04
The lawyers of lfc should be on thsi you can’t ban one clubs Brazil players who didn’t show up but not another it has to be all or one surely? They can’t ban firmino Alison and Fabinho NONE OF WHO ARE FIRST CHOICE PLAYERS BUT NOT BAN RICHARLISON? That’s not legally right.

7.) 08 Sep 2021 14:05:13
No Fabinho and no Alisson suddenly makes a hard game even tougher. Hoped Henderson will be ok to play number 6 and Kelleher gets in above Adrian or we’ll be lucky to get a draw. I can’t even begin to explain how much I loathe international football and FIFA.

8.) 08 Sep 2021 16:27:54
Surely the fact they adhered to English health advice has to count for something? FIFA can't over rule government advice surely?

{Ed002's Note - Don't be ridiculous.}

9.) 08 Sep 2021 19:39:11
Take the fine and play them. fook fifa.

10.) 08 Sep 2021 21:24:53
Sorry Ed002 it was a genuine question.

{Ed002's Note - You need to be able to tell the difference between, rules, guidance and advice.}

11.) 08 Sep 2021 23:28:26
I’ve always wondered why they don’t just have multiple international games in a break period for the leagues. do it all in one go and not interrupt the season anyway.




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10 Jun 2022 23:39:03
I'm with MK on this one. However, as he says, its more of a feeling than a quantifiable. Mercenary may be too strong a word but employee for hire is closer to the truth. They have both been highly professional but for me Bobby gives the feeling of being one of us, whereas Sadio and Mo are just plying their trade.

To be fair to Sadio, there's never been rumours about his agent shopping him around. Maybe its that he never got the love that Mo did.




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12 Jan 2022 13:11:22
While we might be signing a striker this window to cover the Alcon, we would surely be fools to let 1 of our 4 recognised ones depart. Those calling for Origi to depart this window are deluded.




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07 Jan 2022 22:50:00
stuie_boy, to use your analogy of the bananas. There are many circumstances where a shopper would buy the £2 ones and equally refuse the 50p ones.

I'm desperate for bananas, I've got nothing else in and I desperately need some. Time is ticking and the shops are closing soon = £2. I'm looking at the bananas for 50p, they look a bit bruised, I've already got some other fruit in the house and to be honest I spent most of my money on something else earlier in the week. I think I'll pass on bananas this time.

The point is and has always been, what a club is willing to spend on buying a player. We had some Coutinho bananas and sold them at Harrods prices. We now have some Philips bananas and they are pretty good bananas but for some reason we can't shift them, that's how it goes. What previous or future bananas may go for only effect your offer price, only when you actually sell your bananas can you categorically say that they are worth what they are worth.

On a final note, I don't really like bananas.




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07 Jan 2022 12:40:42
This conversation is pointless. His value is only as much as someone is willing to pay for him. That may be considered a good or overinflated price but that is all that matters. What Man u or Newcastle paid for Maguire or Trippier is completely irrelevant.




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20 Sep 2021 14:39:29
Thank you. Presumably, "significant purchases" would require a Mane or such like to be sold first or a girth of peripheral players.





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20 Jun 2022 02:26:42
Uncle Bob, that's exactly what I've been thinking. Back in the day, we had a conveyor belt system. As soon as you were 30, you were out (the King being the exception) . The system broke down when Souness came in. The moving on of Mane is the right thing to do, Diaz, Jota and Nunez are young and ready to challenge for places. Whether they work out is up to them and Klopp but it the right system for continued success.


{Ed0666's Note - I’m not being funny but I would have much preferred Bayern coming in for Jota but let’s not open up that can of worms yet! Oh one more thing about Sadio that makes him a ledge is he had agreed terms and a contract with United and then got a call from Klopp and the rest is history. Oh how I’m gonna miss that blond streak but if I’m being honest I concur with you selling is the right thing to do in the circumstances. Last year of contract, diminishing capabilities and the player doesent want to be here anymore. Adieu our Senegalese metronome and go light up the Bundesliga



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26 May 2022 01:57:35
Unless it's Gary McAllister - AKA "The Enforcer! "




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15 Mar 2022 23:58:42
Can't forget John Wark as well before he came to us. Also he was in Escape to Victory. Which takes us from Ipswich to Pele!




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23 Feb 2022 00:04:57
Ed0666 and others. I understand where you are coming from but for me Sunday is more important. I grew up with the Liverpool teams of the 70s and 80s, it felt like we were winning everything. Winning silverware is what this club is about. Winning 1 leads to 2 and so on, serial winners. Taking that team photo with a bunch of cups on the grass in front of you. I know the league cup isn't the most important, I know the revenue is a pittance but you look at teams that dominate, they win everything they can. City's achilles heal is Europe because they have never won it. We win on Sunday and it drives home to the players and club that we are winners and that will carry us further than any mid week win or City loss.

Don't get me wrong, I'm buzzing for the league and desperate to win against Leeds. We could beat Leeds and not get the win at the Etihad. We (as can City) easily drop points between now and the end of the season. Sunday is a trophy, we used to win domestic cups regularly that fed into the club winning mentality, I want it!




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23 Feb 2022 00:08:14
I can't hear Costa's name without thinking about Hendo making him back down with just a look. Thug Life!