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18 Jul 2023 11:01:54
Unpopular opinion but VVD with Robbo as vice? Trent has done little to prove he’s a captain for me. Down the line though.

Frode Kippers

1.) 18 Jul 2023 11:48:10
What has Robbo done that Trent hasnt?


2.) 18 Jul 2023 11:54:54
I wouldn't be against it. If I remember correctly four captains are chosen; two main ones by Klopp and the remaining two by the players. I can see Klopp selecting VVD as the main captain. So TAA and Gakpo (that's my choice) wouldn't be bad choices as vice captains and for the future.

I think Salah will be p. ed if he's not picked as one the captains again.


3.) 18 Jul 2023 11:59:49
Give Trent the captaincy and watch him grow. Robbo as deputy for me. Both are capable leaders.


4.) 18 Jul 2023 13:51:53
Van Dijk struggles when he has the armband imo. I'd make Robbo captain. Although his own form could've been better late last season.


5.) 18 Jul 2023 17:12:36
V V D ALL DAY FOR ME
V CAPTAIN ALLISON.


6.) 18 Jul 2023 18:14:18
Salah as captain with Virgil and Alisson as vice captains. Salah is the ultimate professional and has been leading by example since the day he joined. Disciplined player who doesn't argue with refs or opposition players, not petulant, rarely injured and exemplary off the field. Captain Mohamed for me hands down.


7.) 18 Jul 2023 19:30:44
None of our players after hendo have true leadership qualities. At a push Robbo is close but larks around too much. VVD, Trent etc are really not great captain material.


 

 

09 Jul 2023 19:45:54
i don't think Doak will be world class. Not saying he won’t, but there’s no evidence to support it.

Frode Kippers

1.) 09 Jul 2023 20:01:35
Excellent deep dive analysis.


2.) 09 Jul 2023 20:20:26
Frode doesn’t need to explain.

What he says, shall be so.


3.) 09 Jul 2023 20:20:26
Frode doesn’t need to explain.

What he says, shall be so.


4.) 09 Jul 2023 20:33:22
Frode ??.


5.) 09 Jul 2023 20:36:46
@Frode, you should have stopped after the first three words.

Nobody has said Doak is going to be world class so it’ll be a pleasant surprise for us all if it turns out that he does build on his undoubted potential and becomes world class.


6.) 09 Jul 2023 21:13:31
Thanks for being the bearer of bad news again. Your detailed analysis on why we should write players off is outstanding.


7.) 10 Jul 2023 01:36:15
And the point of the post is what exactly?
Someone been on the turps?


8.) 10 Jul 2023 08:15:28
This is the way ?.


9.) 10 Jul 2023 11:04:54
Thanks, Frode Kippers. Anything else like when the U. S faked the moon-landing?


10.) 10 Jul 2023 11:27:29
Someone else put it in another post and said Doak would be world class.

It’s hilarious to see everyone having a hissy fit though.


 

 

05 Jul 2023 22:44:25
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but Elliot will never ever be a suitable replacement for Salah. He has ability, but not in the same stratosphere let alone league as Mo.

Frode Kippers

1.) 05 Jul 2023 23:20:57
No need to be be sorry about it, because some of us have the same suspicion. However, it also doesn't mean we've written him off in the swift manner you've done. Early days still.


2.) 05 Jul 2023 23:27:32
Who said anyone is expecting him to be?


3.) 05 Jul 2023 23:33:53
That's bad news?


4.) 05 Jul 2023 23:46:11
wow what a brave call.
I'm also wondering what is the point in making this claim?
It's not really helpful or empowering for anyone, just seems like a pointless waste of energy.


5.) 05 Jul 2023 23:56:55
I thought Elliott is a totally different type of player.


6.) 06 Jul 2023 00:29:12
Even if we ignore all the ways they are totally different types, tell me again where salah was at 20 and in how many ways he looked like someone who would turn in to being a record breaking world class player?


7.) 06 Jul 2023 00:30:48
Not to mention he’s only 20!

I’m assuming when Salah was bombing it at Chelsea you were posting how he was going to be one of the best right wingers in Premier league era?

FFS!


8.) 06 Jul 2023 01:02:06
Thanks Frode Kippers, devastated now, my life will never be the same again.


9.) 06 Jul 2023 01:10:03
Why are we replying to this nonsense?


10.) 06 Jul 2023 01:48:35
Nonsense stuffs attract the most attention.


11.) 06 Jul 2023 01:49:38
OK harry.


12.) 06 Jul 2023 03:15:48
He doesn’t even play in the same position, bad comparison, might as well say he’ll never be a suitable replacement for Van Dijk while we’re at it.


13.) 06 Jul 2023 05:37:10
At last now that we’ve heard the bad news we can ‘process’ it and start to get on with the rest of our lives. Done, sorry what was the bad news again?


14.) 06 Jul 2023 05:59:04
He shouldn’t be trying to replace Salah. Elliott will never be fast or athletic enough to be a top team’s star player, especially in any of the wide positions. If there is one player Elliott should be looking to model his game on, it’s *deep breath* Bernardo Silva. Elliott has superb ball control, a low centre of gravity, and an excellent delivery on occasion. He’s not as wiry or wily as Bernardo Silva, but there’s no reason he couldn’t be in 5 years.


15.) 06 Jul 2023 06:13:49
I’ve never seen him as a salah replacement, I think he’s best suited to the firmino type role.


16.) 06 Jul 2023 07:33:19
Truth is 99% of current players in world football wouldn’t be able to replicate or replace Salah on that right wing for us.

That’s not a thing to beat Elliot down with.

When the time comes I think we’ll have to adjust playing wise and expectations of what we expect from our right winger.


17.) 06 Jul 2023 07:56:53
Frode Kippers, that is your opinion despite you framing it as a fact.

In my opinion all of Elliott's best football thus far in his career has been played on the right wing. His season at Blackburn as a RW was exceptional. He had 9 goals and 11 assists i believe. Even for us last season, his best games were on the wing in the cups when Salah was rested, including that performance against Wolves that he capped with a wonder goal from 25 yards.

Don't get so hung up on like for like replacements. Elliott doesn't need to be Salah. He doesn't need blistering pace or 30 goals a season if he contributes in other ways. Grealish and Silva started out wide for Man City in nearly all their biggest games last season. Neither of them have blistering pace and neither score much more than 10 goals a season. Do they drag City down? No. Because they work so hard and commit defenders in other ways to create more space for the central players like Haaland and De Bruyne.

I am still of the belief that If Elliott is to have a long term career at Liverpool as a starting XI player, it will be on the right wing in some capacity as that is where he consistently performs well. He doesn't need to be Mo Salah to do that. Mac Allister and Szoboszlai will score more goals than Hendo and Thiago's 1 or 2 a sesson. Nunez/ Gakpo will score more than Bobby's 10 a season. Jota/ Diaz can easily match Mane's 20 a season. Who ever replaces Salah doesn't need to be as good in the same ways. Teans evolve and you develop new threats from other areas. Personally, I'd rather he was the first Harvey Elliott than the next Mo Salah. Maybe he will end up as a midfielder or maybe he'll end up covering a little bit in both roles. Maybe he will even be sold. Who knows. One thing is for sure, is you can't confidently write off a 20 year old and display that opinion as a fact. At the same age Salah flopping at Chelsea.


18.) 06 Jul 2023 08:55:31
Who's going to tell Elliott? Or Klopp?


19.) 06 Jul 2023 11:04:40
Completely agree MK. Other than at the age of 20, Salah was still at Al Mokawloon in the Egyptian league, about to move to Basel.


20.) 06 Jul 2023 10:49:45
@Rigsby, Frode is, of course.


 

 

02 Jul 2023 13:15:48
Funny the number of people wanting to sell Thiago he’s still our best midfielder. If a silly offer from Saudi comes in then sure. But if it’s 10 mil from Barcelona I’d rather keep him for the year.

Frode Kippers

1.) 02 Jul 2023 13:51:18
I have to echo your thoughts mate. He is obviously our most talented midfielder and for a good part of the previous season looked like the only one who actually wanted to play.
I think no one denies his talents but obviously people are frustrated with his lack of availability. If he was fit I don't think there would be any talk of selling him.


2.) 02 Jul 2023 13:46:52
Look at his GROSS stats and compare to others in our midfield.

He probably is our best midfielder, for the handful of games he is fit.

I love him to bits but his body has demonstrated the ability to hold up over the length of an EPL season.

£10m is probably a bit low, but it wouldn’t take much more than that in my view.


3.) 02 Jul 2023 14:08:27
I am a great admirer of Thiago and watching him live gives me goose bumps but with taking the red tinted glasses off his availability is a huge concern and last season he couldn’t get a run of games together to get his form up so was probably his worst season under us.

It’s been said that him, Klopp and the medical team brought his surgery forward a few months ago so he would be ready for this season.

My inner selfish self would love to see him have his final season with us and have an absolute blinder and be rotated and brought off and wrapped in cotton wool.

But the other side of me also says if he is moved on then it would be understandable.

But I think a few players fall into this category.


4.) 02 Jul 2023 14:25:52
I think we failed Thiago personally and I’ll explain. His fitness inconsistencies were well known even with Bayern so I can easily guess that Klopp already knew this so nobody should be surprised he cannot play 10 games in a row in a more physical league w/ o pulling up.

Hence why I think the club failed him is that we did not put the right bodies nor legs around him via transfers or whatever) to lighten his load and do the running for him, something Bayern did with Kimich and Goretzka around him that allowed him to flourish in his final season esp where he was key to them winning the treble. Even last season for the games he actually played, he was very combative and made lots of tackles and win the ball cleanly first the most part, IMO. We all knew that was unsustainable at the time too.

Personally, we did not harness his full potential and it’s a pity cos when fit, there is near nobody in the PL that can do what he can do and we have lots of examples to choose from. Sad.


5.) 02 Jul 2023 14:38:30
No one said he’s not a good player he’s just not consistent and more of a passenger than a passer!
He’s on massive wages and if nice money came in I’d wish him the best!


6.) 02 Jul 2023 14:46:38
Personally, I feel we should look to offload Thiago. The guy is 32, he earns between £200,000 and 225,000 per week, and has missed countless matches through injury. The injury record was a problem we all knew about going in, he was injury prone well before now, but we overlooked it due to his ability. However, in recent times, I feel like we have seen a regression in that respect, no doubt due to having to re-find his form again and again.

Thiago was brought in as the vital cog in midfield, the man was the primary connector between the defence and our offensive unit. He was tasked with retaining possession and switching the play to create overloads with his excellent vision and range of passing. That was the idea, at least.

However, your midfield can not operate when your vital component can not consistently be available. I also, and I know people will disagree, but I have found Thiago more style over substance. He slows our play down when in possession, waiting and turning to find the best option rather than release early to further the play. The issue being, Salah, Nunez, Diaz, etc, operate far better when on the move, ready to receive while the opposition defence has been bypassed.

I also find he is poor on transition, particularly from offensive to defensive. The amount of silly fouls he gives away, lunging in when the moment calls to delay, allow his team mates to regroup, is absurd. He has been lucky, more often that not, to not be sent off, due in part to poor officiating. But, this habit has become ingrained, it would seem, because he keeps doing the same thing with the results being the same every time.

Thiago's assist record, also, for someone of his ability, leaves much to be desired. He joined in 2020, and has provided 6 assists in that time. 6 assists in 97 games!? For someone of his ability and vision!?

Don't get me wrong, Thiago looks the part, he is very stylish in his play but, for me, he does not offer enough for the wages we are paying him. Our midfield has been calling out for greater dynamism, players that can press and harry opposition, and Thiago, Fabinho and Hendo just don't have the legs any more. They are not the answer. That has been evident last season, and the reason for our focus on midfield reinforcement.

If a 15 to 25 million bid comes in, I'd say take it. There is no point on relying on a player that, one, will not be available next season due to contract expiration, and two, can not play consecutive games without picking up another injury.


7.) 02 Jul 2023 14:53:31
He can't stay fit. Wonderful player but can't stay fit. I'd sell if we could.


8.) 02 Jul 2023 17:15:50
Spot on Oli.
The better the framework around him, the more quality he'll show. Hopefully it will help his availability too, although that remains to be seen.
It looks like we're doing upgrade on that framework too.
If we keep signing quality midfielders though Thiago will have a fight on his hands just to get a starting place. Especially if the new signings hit the ground running.


9.) 02 Jul 2023 19:38:08
Exactly, Flash. im not saying he should play every game cos clearly he can't. The framework you speak of being adopted now is what would have helped him and even prolonged his career with us. Sadly, it wasn't done hence, why I feel he is being judged harshly, IMO.


 

 

02 Jun 2023 11:49:45
Do people really subscribe to the narrative that selling the only striker we have who consistently scores goals just because he’s a season older is a good idea? I’d take Salah over Nunez any day of the week, who I think doesn’t have a football brain, unfortunately. I like his raw ability, but he’s an inferior option based on prior seasons.

Frode Kippers

1.) 02 Jun 2023 13:42:53
All depends on if mo wants to stay. If mo starts acting like mane did then yes sell but if he’s happy and wants to fight for our club then definitely keep him he’s amazing.


2.) 02 Jun 2023 14:16:34
It's all about opinions. As I said few days back I won't mind selling Salah and tweak the formation from 4-3-3 to 4-2-3-1 that's what I think it's the evolution of Klopp era and the players we have atm.

If Klopp continues to replicate what worked for us in the past then unfortunately I can see him getting sacked or leaving mutually ?

He biggest masterstroke was not to replace Coutinho directly like vs like think he needs again to use that masterstroke by tweaking the system/ formation instead of trying to replicate they system/ formation with completely different skill set of players.


3.) 02 Jun 2023 15:10:13
I agree, OP. Selling Salah (except we are broke for cash, for sure) should not even be entertained, IMO.


4.) 02 Jun 2023 21:36:48
Sell Salah?
No.

{Ed025's Note - that would be a massive mistake for me rigsby..


5.) 03 Jun 2023 06:33:09
What exactly did Mane do before he left? Hardly a menace was he?

Anyways not sure Mo is valued around the world like he is here. I’m ok with him staying but I’d like him to be more involved. I’d take more involvement over more goals.


 

 

 

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28 Feb 2024 18:42:12
All of a sudden Quansah is VVD. He’s good but just stop with the rubbish comparisons.

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03 Feb 2024 08:53:47
JLC stop talking rubbish. The whole thing is a rumour and Carra has said he and Xabi occasionally message. So your “class” comment is pathetic.

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28 Aug 2023 09:23:32
Faith works I think you’re incapable of any constructive criticism. Selling Salah would be a ridiculous decision with no replacement.

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27 Aug 2023 07:49:09
Dossena was jarge too minus his Utd goal.

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24 Aug 2023 19:43:34
I prefer Pink Weiffer, a far more tasty proposition.

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03 Mar 2024 18:25:50
You’re talking rubbish Editor, Konate got a full on boot to the head so this nonsense they should have had the ball is redundant. They also received two yellows for time wasting hence the additional time. What’s the problem?

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{Ed025's Note - the problem seems to be your memory FK, i never mentioned the Konate incident mate..


 

 

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03 Mar 2024 18:17:50
Baj played well in a poor run for us, but people are implying he was like prime Kante. He needs a full season before this romanticism can accurately assessed. Endo on current form has to play, he’s been our most consistent midfielder. Mac has a touch of class and I’d go Szob. Jones was in the form of his life but is made of glass.

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25 Feb 2024 11:15:45
Oli, it’s a rumours site. Speculation is part of the norm, there’s room to pass on what has been heard, particularly as our injury uncertainty is difficult to assess recently.

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11 Feb 2024 09:52:17
Why are you thanking FSG? I guess you don’t condemn them won’t they don’t spend? I’ll thank Klopp and the players as always.

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31 Jan 2024 09:34:02
I’m not expecting nothing. I think we’ve done amazing this season, but I think the wheel will come off at some point and we won’t win the one we really want. I hope I’m wrong. The injuries have left us too depleted and I still question the overall quality to win a league title, I hope I’m wrong like I say. I don’t think there is another manager currently who has the chops for that. Top four is what I’ll predict depending what F$G invest.

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