Liverpool Banter Archive January 26 2018

26 Jan 2018 22:48:31
Looking as if we won't strengthen this window bar VVD, my concern is if Mane, Salah get a nick we could be down to bear minimum, do you think we will have enough to compete in for competitions?

26 Jan 2018 22:54:53
Especially given Lallana seems to be out quite often.

27 Jan 2018 00:23:47
Forgot the ox?

27 Jan 2018 00:25:07
I think we're going to struggle with them Fit never mind injured. I just want the window to shut now it's been a complete disaster.
At least we'll have £160m in the Bank when we lose all the Champions League money by finishing 5th. Good luck trying to attract Top players then though.

27 Jan 2018 03:33:42
I think someone like Fekir or Lemar would be perfect partly for this reason. Lemar can also play out on the left and Fekir used to be a striker.

27 Jan 2018 06:14:39
Some people can't understand that this is not Fifa or Football manager. If someone is not avalivable he is not. Klopp is not liKe Rodgers or some of our previous managers to panic buy and then struggle. You will never be happy. If he wants Lemar but Monaco says NO, and we try to push for him in the summer you will be unhappy that we didn't buy anyone in the winter. If we say buy Rondon in the sake of buying and he say comes as disaster you will be unhappy that Klop panic buys and doesn't wait for his first choice target. He seems to know what he is doing and it is a slow project.

27 Jan 2018 10:19:50
so, what are the options? if we can't get the guys we really want to sign, do we just go and sign any 'ol player?

27 Jan 2018 11:48:55
LiverpoolFC8, what's the problem? How is the transfer window a disaster? Cos Klopp is not doing what you want? Take a day off, mate. Every man and his dog paying attention, knows Klopp does not panic buy and God bless him for that so what exactly do you want him to do? If players he wants are not being released by their clubs regardless of what we do, what can you do? Pls, don't give us the Cou example cos Cou did a Masche to get his move so by that logic, the only way we will get who we want is for these players to do a Cou and threaten to destroy their DR to force the move. If those players are not ready to do that again, what do you do? Pls, fans should stop with the spoiled brat, petulant behavior cos they did not get their favorite toy for Christmas. We will not be signing anyone the manager does not want nor think can help us, FACT. So everyone needs to get over it and frankly, get over themselves.

27 Jan 2018 14:30:14
Handy that we're only in 3 competitions if we will struggle in 4.

26 Jan 2018 22:03:07
JK say unlikely to make any more signings.

Lanllana out for a few weeks

Leaves us ox, Milner, can, gini and hendo. In the middle.

Thoughts letting of coutinho go and not replacing him despite having months to sort it.

26 Jan 2018 22:35:56
Let Woodburn take his spot for the rest of the season. we obviously can't replace him with equal quality, so don't waste the money on unwanted players just to buy.

26 Jan 2018 22:48:50
Don't worry about it, we are Liverpool, we'll get on with it, no big deal if we don't sign anybody this window, we have the quality still to get top 4 at least. Would you rather we panic buy somebody who doesn't fit in and we have somebody lumbered here for a few years? I wouldn't, I'd rather wait until the summer and get the signings we actually want.

27 Jan 2018 10:26:30
months to sort things doesn't mean that all the cards will fall in place to get the players we want at the time we want them. It's hard for us because we just see what is on the surface, but I am going to hazard a guess that in reality the transfer world isn't quite linear, especially for clubs like us. Which means that sometimes we just have to wait.

27 Jan 2018 11:57:52
OP, You can have years to sort things out BUT if the timing is not right as it is now in a Jan window where only fringe players are for sale, what can you do? If you think transfers are not as cut and dry as you think so you may wanna educate yourself on how they actually work and the length of time it may take for one to materialize before commenting.

26 Jan 2018 19:01:57
Today is definitely a bad news day, Lallana is out for a few weeks and Mignolet has been given the nod for the West Brom game.

26 Jan 2018 19:16:33
And the day just keeps getting worse.

26 Jan 2018 19:34:27
Nothing was going to top Ed2 roasting a poster, it all went downhill after that lol what an eventful day!

26 Jan 2018 22:29:51
I love it when Ed002 roasts an idiot, it’s always brilliant!

27 Jan 2018 11:59:10
It's unfortunate for Lallana BUT Migs is already penciled in as 2nd choice even tho, I would play Karius for every game till the end of the season.

26 Jan 2018 17:55:42
we have a much bigger FA Cup game tomorro than we think, Klopp will rotate in this match, maybe too much, I don't really like rotating our Keepers, but this time, with West Brom looking to get something from set pieces, we need big Migs coming out for them crosses,
I see this game being closer than it appears, just like the Swansea game, don't think there will be 3 or 4 goals from the reds, even with League games during the week, West Brom will put out a strong big side, and try and bully us, and use every trick they can .
I still think that we will win this one, by one goal .

26 Jan 2018 18:16:16
Big Migs coming out for crosses? That thought scares me rigid.

26 Jan 2018 18:18:02
“Big Migs” 😂😂.

26 Jan 2018 18:19:52
Dracula handles crosses better than Migs.

26 Jan 2018 18:40:03
I reckon we'll struggle to break them down unless we get a goal early doors.

26 Jan 2018 18:42:12
West Brom will sit deep, defend for their lives and be dangerous on set pieces. Liverpool will struggle if they do not score early, just like the league game. 1-0 West Brom is a real possibility if after an hour there is no break through and WBA are looking comfortable with LFC playing in front of them.

26 Jan 2018 18:47:23
This has the potential to be a repeat of Swansea.

26 Jan 2018 18:55:02
Big Migs coming for crosses. That’s probably his biggest weakness.

26 Jan 2018 18:58:28
It seems pointless to play the game, you guys already seem to know what’s going to happen.

26 Jan 2018 18:59:13
Just like I am not keen on Big Sam, Pardew seems to really like getting something from a Liverpool game,
yes, Big Migs, the same big Migs who Klopp brought back for the Everton game last season, to deal with all the crosses, and it worked,
I hope Migs has a great game,
and yes, I agree, an early goal, first half at least is vital,
cos it will get tense otherwise .

26 Jan 2018 19:09:09
All depends which boots Salah decides to wear.

26 Jan 2018 19:32:18
I am really confident on this game, we will come out the blocks quick, hard and fast because we have a point to prove from Swansea, the boys are hyped up I would think.

26 Jan 2018 23:08:55
Theres only one thing worse than miggo coming for crosses and that's karius coming for crosses, or just coming out of his goal in general.

26 Jan 2018 23:58:28
The baggies appear to have a flu virus in the camp
A few of their first team players may be missing.

27 Jan 2018 12:00:44
Migs coming for crosses? That must be a whined up?

26 Jan 2018 12:56:49
Hi all

Just like to give my 2 pence worth on the owner thing if it matters at all.

Commercially the owners have donever an outstanding job.

They have done a magnificent job on the stadium and it's surrounding area. Clearly they were not going good to pay for. it.

26 Jan 2018 13:22:52
Sorry posted only part of text.

26 Jan 2018 14:23:57
Eagerly awaiting next weeks installment.

27 Jan 2018 12:02:15
The owners are not the problem and whoever thinks that, is severely misinformed or just one parroting false talking points.

26 Jan 2018 08:28:17
A lot asking for a defensive midfielder on here but I disagree. When we play the big sides we have a good record with the squad we have, the high energy midfield. I don't have any players in mind but in my opinion we need that player who we can save for the bottom half of games - doesn't need to be good at pressing. Let's face it, you don't need a high energy player when playing Swansea. We need someone to dictate our play, move the ball quickly and play that killer pass. Also on that note people saying Can can leave because he is not creating much, but he's our most physical cm, he's young and still has a lot to improve. I'd much rather move on gini and Milner, and play can with oxlade and maybe Keita or a creative midfielder when we struggle to break teams down.

26 Jan 2018 08:44:16
Agree 100% with your Can assessment Firmane.

26 Jan 2018 08:44:37
We have 2 ways we can shape a midfield, get a runner a presser if you like alongside Keita. Someone big powerful and puts the foot in. That says to me we will try to play the pressing game all the time. Ed001 mentioned some names a couple of days ago who could do this job.

Second option get more of a ball player, someone who can set the quicker tempo, control the game etc.

KDB now seems to set the tempo, set up the chances and work very hard. Not sure we can find one like him though.

{Ed002's Note - All change again - a few more years in transition. Or are Liverpool not playing 11 a side any longer.}

26 Jan 2018 09:08:02
That's what happens when your owners can't resist big money bids for the best players at the club ed002. Torres, Suarez, Sterling, Coutinho, who's next? Firmino and Salah maybe? Mane probably. It will be a never ending transition until FSG sell the club to owners who understand football in and out and don't need advice from people who could care less about LFC.

{Ed002's Note - You really don't get that they are decent owners. Suggest you get down their with you "FSG Out" flag, not forgetting vandalising the stadium by daubing abuse on it. It is the Liverpool way after all.

It is also a pity that you know so little about players wanting to leave the club and the extent they went to get out - Torres wanted out, Suarez dragged the club through the gutter and threatenned legal action, Sterling refused to go on tour after being very disruptive, Coutinho tried to engineer a move to Barcelona for 18 months, handed in a transfer request and went on strike. Salah had his agent approach Real Madrid and not the other way around - but of course all you can see is FSG at fault. Hopeless.}

26 Jan 2018 09:11:21
Well Keita is coming who takes one spot.

Courts left so we need his replacement.

Can is going like it or not, so we need to replace him.

So a midfield change looks highly likely to me. Klopp has never bought a center midfielder yet. So I would imagine 3 years in to his project 2 will be coming. Keita plus one and a more attacking player.

If that means leaving the defence and forwards and buying a quality goalkeeper that will be ok with me. In will be outs for ins, squad size the same.

{Ed002's Note - Wijnaldum and Keita are both central midfield players. They were purchased by Klopp.}

26 Jan 2018 09:17:57
Can is the best of a very mediocre selection in centre midfield and is the only really decent option as the midfield anchor. And even then he’s prone to the odd poor game. Milner isn’t good enough, Henderson has lost a lot because of injury and none of Lallana, Ox or Wijnaldum are what you would call bona fide centre midfielders. We have a really soft Centre and teams are easily able to exploit it regrettably.

26 Jan 2018 09:29:04
I love that response Ed2, very well said. Too many people are quick to blame FSG, just so they can have a quick moan, it seems many aren't happy unless they are moaning about the club. We are not a selling club I genuinely believe that, we have sold players who want to be out, why keep players who don't want to play for us? that'd be a recipe for disaster.

26 Jan 2018 09:39:11
You keep telling yourself and everybody that. Funny how only at Liverpool we have the most ''vile'' ''unprofessional'' ''flakes'' of players who want to play for Barcelona and Real Madrid and Manchester City, while all other teams who are trying to get to the top can do much much better. The problem is we sign these players telling them we will sell you if your dream club comes in for you. You need to protect the people who pay you i get that, and no i am done going to anfield because i've lost interest in spending 1000's of £ every season on plane tickets, hotels, match tickets only to see us in an endless transition, sell to buy model. Even you yourself who has been pro FSG since day 1 couldn't bring yourself to call them anything other than ''Decent'' owners, we need GREAT owners to get where we want or what they are pretending that they want. And you know it, but it suits the other big 3 elite clubs perfectly with their people giving advice to FSG. 7 years and counting 1 league cup, our net spend is the 5th in the top 6, our wages are 5th in the top 6 and you keep telling us they want to win the league and challenge at the very top. And i'm the one that is hopeless! Alright, i won't bother you with my hopelessness and will never speak about the owners again because it's obviously blasphemy to say anything other than that they are the best owners in the world when they are clearly NOT.

{Ed002's Note - You just don't really get any of this at all. And I imagine the club will be more than happy you have stopped going to the games as they don't want or need people like you there. Your seat can go to someone who appreciates how well the side have been playing and the goals and relative success they are having - and certainly the improvement that other are seeing. I appreciate you want some sugar daddy owner but don't seem to understand they cannot simply pour money in to the club. Do you get your rocks off for a nice sugar-daddy owner like Thaksin Shinawatra? How about Sheikh Al Thani? Or Sulaiman Al Fahim? Ken Bates has money in his pockets and is wandering the streets looking for work - would he do? Liverpool has good and responsible owners who have been supportive of the managers. They made a couple of mistakes in appointing Comolli and giving Dalglish the full-time job, aside from that they have worked on the commercial streams and stadium.

And if you think that Suarez was they type of player Liverpool need then you might want to think about how many games was he banned for whilst at Liverpool (25 or so and then a further x month ban that was avoided by his sale). What did he cost the club in reputation? A great deal - dragging the name of the club through the gutter. And the cost in embarrassment of having a player threaten legal action and actively court other clubs? Add to that his keenness to get the club embroiled in a major racial issue with his completely abuse of another player. On three occasions, twice as a Liverpool player, he has bitten fellow professionals. He spent 18 months trying to get out of the club and was happy to join Arsenal. And what about how he cost Kenny Dalglish his job? A man who did so much for the club but so many of the supporters were happy to see discarded in favour of the vile little runt. He squats to piss and is a truly appalling excuse for a human being whichever way you look at it.

I am sure everyone associated with the site are pleased you won't be bothering us with you "hopelessness" anymore.}}

26 Jan 2018 09:51:21
Salah can piss off then ed, he is a pure mercenary, talking that crap he knew the day he wanted too join LFC, wat for one season yeah go on mate jog on.

{Ed002's Note - So you want the likes of van Dijk out as well? I struggle to see how the understanding is so poor.}

26 Jan 2018 09:52:28
I am not saying they are bad owners. You keep telling us the players want to win things. Well the owners need to spend the money to allow us to compete at the very top. Not the same as City or Utd but even if we spend 70% we could compete. We have sold in terms of player value the most in Europe in the last 5 years. It is just going round and round and round.

We buy VVD
and the day after we Sell PC and have an extra £50m+.

VVD was supposed to be a summer purchase, so spend the Courts money.

There is no other top club anywhere that would allow their best player to leave and not buy a replacement. Why do you owners allow that to happen?

Gini IMO was not bought to play center midfield and most often doesn't play in the center.
Keita isn't here yet.

{Ed002's Note - The owners are spending the money - Liverpool have overpaid for van Dijk and have committed to overpaying for Keita. I don't think you really grasp the money situation at all - try ignoring it.}

26 Jan 2018 10:17:23
Haha what a read!

26 Jan 2018 10:25:18
this is the exact reason why every fan should just forget about money. so much time bickering over this value and that value, all the while the apparently crap squad we have that needs an overhaul has shown quiet consistency over an 18 month period now. consistently top 4 shouldn't be sneezed at, especially for us. ok we know there is a bigger goal, but can you really not see the small steps of progress we're making on the way to that goal? Ed2 has just spelled out as clear as day the challenges we have with the kinds of players who have wanted out. and in the end the club have done well to move on from those players and recoup decent amounts for these players. many fans seem too quick to lay down arms and give up at the first sign of trouble! let's hang in there and support the also-rans left behind in coutinho's wake and see how they respond and fight for the club!

26 Jan 2018 10:30:56
Legendary, you need to stop thinking in black and white mate. in your words the owners are either the best in the world (as you makeout people to think) or they're rubbish. There is a massive grey area you're missing. Ed002 has explained it in such a good way that even the most niave and stubborn supporter should be able to understand. If you can't understand that, have you ever considered that maybe you're the one looking at it wrongly?! I don't believe we have the best owners, nor do I believe we have the worst. But I do believe that they back our managers until they lose trust in their project and they do have the clubs interest at the forefront of their objectives. as well as profit, and many other factors, like any smart businessman would. Luckily that's one less negative supporter going to our stadium, and one less negative ranter on here! Good luck in your support of LFC and I hope one day you see the progress the club and the owners, have made. You need to seriously compare our owners with others around the world to get a broader understanding of what is 'great' as I imagine most clubs have fans who think they're owners aren't doing enough. as an example:
• Spurs probably annoyed they don't give players higher salaries
• Arsenal owners are rubbish as they won't sack Wenger and won't spend money
• Real Madrid fans unhappy because they're not going to win the league for once in their lives and Barcelona have signed a marquee player and they haven't
• City fans unhappy because the owners have pumped that much money into the club they've stolen the soul of their club
• Chelsea don't allow their managers to choose players, you get what your given so to speak, and they never allow their youth players a path into the first team.
That's just off the top of my head. So please just try and appreciate our owners for what they are, progressive and trusting! YNWA.

26 Jan 2018 10:40:41
I'm afraid people just don't understand football and how it works.
These owners saved this club from administration and certain doom by mere days.

They, along with the great Martin Broughton swept the carpet out from under the actual muppets (Hicks and Gillet) who genuinely didn't care what happened to the club and restored us to top 4 in under 4 years.

They have provided us with plenty of money to improve the squad.
They have no say in who wants to leave the club and go to Spain, just like how the average person in the street changes jobs - their boss has no say either do they?!

All players have a right to see what suits them best, this is not necessarily their favourite club and they might have better options elsewhere.
Even Stevie G was tempted in 04/ 05 to join Chelsea as they had trophies rolling in as well as better financial rewards.

Some of you need to get your heads out your arses and open your eyes.
This isn't Football Manager and we just spend for the sake of it.

Managers buy players when they see the right player that THEY want to suit Their style or tactics.

Look, I want us to buy Fekir and the kid CB from Charlton, but if Klopp thinks he doesn't need them, then so be it and we all need to just get over it, trust him and move on.

I won't be responding to any stupid/ ignorant rants if they come in, so only speak to me if you have a fair argument to put forward.

The ignorance from fans these days shocks me to be honest, it shouldn't at this stage I suppose but it still somehow does.

Instant success is not achievable by any team/ club, we're no different.
My advice is if you don't like it, support a club like Manchester City/ Barcelona/ Real Madrid who are at or near the top of their games right now.

You'll Never Walk Alone my arse!

I feel sorry for the Editors having to read and respond to the above BS!

26 Jan 2018 10:43:15
I don't always agree with you ED02 but I do on this thread. Great stuff!

26 Jan 2018 10:46:00
I think Ed2 is more a Liverpool fan then some actual Liverpool fans at times. Again, well said mate.

{Ed002's Note - I might switch next season.}

26 Jan 2018 10:46:05
Legendary, your rant is frankly embarrassing. If you're that incapable of understanding what is essentially pretty simple, don't pass comment.

26 Jan 2018 10:47:20
Ed, excellent response. You spelled everything out perfectly. Thank you.

26 Jan 2018 10:48:40
Ed the reading is crystal clear just sour grapes on my half as I expect every player too want too stay but I am crazy too think that will ever happen, seen it too many times especially in last 10 years an if we ain't winning leagues an cups an finishing in top 4 consistently, its Wats going too happen with top players from our club.

{Ed002's Note - If every player were to stay there would be no Liverpool transfers and no need for this page. Players are transient employees of the club - they come and go. You really need to accept that.}

26 Jan 2018 10:56:43
ed2, you thinking of switching next season cos you have a sense we might have some titles coming our way. :p.

{Ed002's Note - Absolutely, that is why I switched to Chelsea and then Manchester City.}

26 Jan 2018 10:56:57
I don’t think it’s just a personel problem in midfield, I think we lack a proper game plan when playing against the likes of the swans. We face lots of teams who sit back, Klopp needs to figure out how to beat them. Much faster buildup play for starters and play more risky forward balls maybe? Our midfield currently suck the life out of any quick attack and a well drilled defensive team will be long in position before we attempt to play the killer ball. We need to start respecting every team we face as well, the players played for their lives against city, seemed half the players against Swansea didn’t even get mud on their boots.

26 Jan 2018 11:14:18
Ed002 that quote is fantastic, really made me laugh 'he squats to piss'

Priceless!

{Ed002's Note - He is very proud of the fact.}

26 Jan 2018 11:29:10
Christ there’s some short memories. I remember about 8 years ago refreshing the news page in work every 5 minutes worrying we wouldn’t even have a club for much longer before FSG came in. We owe them a lot for what they’ve done including the stadium expansion and breaking our transfer records 4 (5?) times.

They haven’t been perfect but look at the owners of Newcastle and Swansea to see how to run a club to the ground and break their identity. I may be wrong but Newcastle’s record purchase is Michael Owen 12 years ago. Maybe Mike Ashley would do a better job eh? Players come and go always have always will- but crying just because the owners ain’t spunking £100m+ on a big name just to keep you happy is pathetic. Christ talk about epitomising everything wrong with a modern fan.

These are good times at the club and I think the majority of fans are happy the way we’re headed.

26 Jan 2018 11:35:16
Stop doing the "Weak team" "Top team" measurement, because it simply does not work like that. For example, United are a "Top team" but we cannot beat them, because they play defensively and we tend to draw and not score a lot, most of the time.

Also, this season, we haven't exactly "bossed" the top6 games, we currently stand at W2 D3 L2, which means 9 points out of 7 games, pretty average imho, while against "weak" sides we have been pretty decent (yes, few hiccups but who doesn't do that? ) .

And having a good defensive midfielder also isn't just a question of "bossing" opponents' players. He can also do that pass, when he has to, not when he "manages" to.

Teamwork is 99.9% of what's up with the result though. A single player is like 0.1%. We have seen incredible players fail and dull players excell, so all in all, it's a matter of morale, effort and discipline. The quality is there, don't doubt that a "top10" money club in the world doesn't have "proper" players. They have done their homework.

26 Jan 2018 11:26:17
I just don't get why quite a lot of fans are against FSG? They are decent owners and for the first time in a long time we have owners that are productive and trying to better the club.

26 Jan 2018 11:29:29
Is the money spent on VVD and lad for next season is that money out of club or FSG pockets?

26 Jan 2018 11:46:53
Man, people simply won't stop talking about money spend. Guess what:
Leicester won a league title without spending anything. And so have Atletico, Borussia, Monaco, the list goes on.

Stop the money talk and talk football, for everybody's sake.

26 Jan 2018 11:48:59
albeydered,

Honestly, who cares?

It's not your money and it's not mine, so who bloody cares?

The club as a whole is in much better shape since late 2010, that's all that matters.

26 Jan 2018 11:46:53
Man, people simply won't stop talking about money spend. Guess what:
Leicester won a league title without spending anything. And so have Atletico, Borussia, Monaco, the list goes on.

Stop the money talk and talk football, for everybody's sake.

26 Jan 2018 11:48:59
albeydered,

Honestly, who cares?

It's not your money and it's not mine, so who bloody cares?

The club as a whole is in much better shape since late 2010, that's all that matters.

26 Jan 2018 12:25:31
So glad ed02 said what he did about Suarez. Great player but can’t stand him as a person. What he put the club through and the decisions he made Kenny have to make that cost him his job was disgusting. No player should be bigger than the club.

Some fans on this site should give the Kenny movie a watch. Remember these modern players haven’t done half of what the likes of Kenny and likes did for our club. We will move on without them if they choose to move.

26 Jan 2018 12:39:24
VVD and Keita = Couts gone, I get where ledge frustrations come from, he sees Couts gone for big money and we get in VVD and Keita with that money, basically, over the last few seasons we have had a very low net spend ( like it or not these transfers go for big money so no point ignoring that fact) a hell of a lot of transfer money has come in than gone out, hoping the clear site that Van Dijk looks head and shoulders above any defender we have had for a good few seasons shows we need to look at the top level calibre and its going to cost to get that, having a net spend of nil while competing against Chelsea, City, United isn't going to help us, a top draw keeper like Oblak is going to cost 60 million minimum, to compete we need that level of keeper, not a 10 million or 4.5 million Mignolet or Karius, he is saying we need to go for top draw not potential.

26 Jan 2018 13:22:08
Legendary, you really need to stop posting about the owners or about money cos you like many other fans on other fan sites, have NO clue whatsoever about how things work at LFC. The owners are billionaires who have supported all the managers under them. You are also aware that FSG do NOT sign players and do NOT decide who stays or goes. They gave all that power to all the managers under them and if those prior to Klopp messed up, how is that their fault.

All the crap you spouted about them not being able to resist big time offers is just complete horse manure that has no basis in reality. Letting Cou go was Klopp's decision, fact. Suarez and Torres left cos they forced their way out either by using under handed tactics or flat out assaulting other players on the pitch hence, dragging our name thru the mud. That may be fine for you BUT sorry, that won't fly here anymore and Suarez is NEVER coming back so get over it.

Memo to you and your ilk: Klopp or FSG will NEVER do what you nor I want them to do and that does not make them bad people. It just makes them different. If you don't like it as Ed02 said, then LFC don't need you coming to the games. And if you're that mad about it, buy the club and do what you want with it. Till then, support the team or go support someone else. Rant over!

26 Jan 2018 14:22:41
👏👏👏👏 to ed02, well said re Suarez. At the end of the day its just football, no one forces us to support the team or go to games its individual choice. Yes its frustrating that our team does not win everything in sight but surely the ups and downs make it even sweeter when we eventually do win something.

I remember how i felt in 05, i was on a high for about 2 yrs😂. All i can advise is try and enjoy the journey, both the good bits and the frustrating bits. This team this year has made me proud to support liverpool and i know the journey is not at an end because a few players want the easy ride like some of our supporters.

We will hopefully not only replace the skill that has gone but replace the lack of will to make this club great with winners who want to build something to be proud of.

And all this stuff about this team has signed x and that team has signed y is nothing more than fomo. I get pangs of it too but i also trust that the group we have are more than good enough to hold their own.

26 Jan 2018 14:31:47
I've been reading this site since the last season of the Benitez tenure. Ed 02 has been the bearer of bad news many times regarding players wanting out of the club. He/ She has always been truthful on this subject and correct. You would do well to remember these 2 words "Transient Employees" support the club over any individual player. We will still play in red at Anfield long after the whole current squad have moved on or retired.

26 Jan 2018 15:05:16
FSG DO sign the players, they signed VVD. Because other people messed it up before.

Klopp has given FSG his targets he wants in January, FSG or the people they employ (not Klopp) went to try and get the main target and couldn't get it done. Another Ed call it wasted too much time.

Now they have moved onto target number 2. Will they get him who knows, but other clubs are getting their targets in so why can't we. They have known for 1 or 2 years Courts was going and there would be a hole to fill.

I am fine with supporting the owners and I won't begrudge them making a huge profit when they sell, it is purely business to them. But let's not go OTT on either side. They now have the targets so they should sign one.

The owners buy the players not Klopp.

26 Jan 2018 15:43:45
Mark,

I agreed with you on Coutinho yesterday but not on this point today.

You're doing what I do after a curry, you're pissin out your arse mate!

Firstly, who is "Courts"?
More importantly, our transfer committee and/ or Mike Gordan/ Edwards looks after transfer negotiations, FSG do not, I repeat do not buy players - the club does.

Klopp has his scouting network led by Dave Fallows and Ian Barrigan, plus some coaches who he respects and listens to on their opinion on players, but he (Klopp) makes the final decision.

If he decides he wants a specific player, he informs Edwards/ Gordan and they make any approach to this player's current club.

FSG are never directly involved.
There was rumours John Henry rang Southampton directly but this has been denied and it's now recently come out that it was in fact Mike Gordan.

Hope this clears up your confusion.

26 Jan 2018 16:02:53
You seem well informed on this but Klopp does not buy the players as was said in the earlier post was my main point. The owners employ Edwards / Gordon who I don't think is top level. I am very sure they sign off all deals.

Klopp has told them the players he wants now and they can't get the deals done.

Now whether that is Edwards can't get the deals over the line or the owners won't pay the money I do not know.

Whos fault is it we can't get the targets in who Klopp wants?

26 Jan 2018 16:22:32
Mark,

Klopp was after Van Dijk, got him.
Keita, got him.
Brandt, he didn't want to come, yet at least, so went after Salah, got him.
Robertson, got him.

Who are his targets now?

Goeretzka wanted to join Bayern.
Not even convinced we were ever in for him realistically!

There's no solid evidence to say he has any other solid targets and that we can't get it done.

Lemar you say, it's possible he is a target sure, but Monaco have him priced out of a move from what I've seen, this may well change in July.

Fekir has different preferences - La Liga.

It's impossible to buy everyone you might want for many reasons.

There's so many variables involved.

Not to stress mate, we move on.

26 Jan 2018 16:49:12
That is a better reply that the last one. I agree with this.

Klopp messed up VVD that is why it took so long. Ed002 who I trust is basically saying it is best to get the desired targets in the summer. Let us hope we are in the top 4.

Peace.

26 Jan 2018 17:03:44
Owners should be there to sign the cheques. That’s what Shanks said.
As far as I can tell, they have been doing that.

There are a few better owners and there are a lot who are much worse. Don’t blame the owners for what happens on the field.

{Ed002's Note - What cheques?}

26 Jan 2018 17:04:27
Spot on, Olisish. Mark again, you are talking complete nonsense and your post states perfectly why Ed02 does not talk money. If you have questions about how the club is run, Ed02 will gladly help you as he has helped many of us understand this side of things BUT clearly, that is too hard so you'd rather make up your own baseless stories.

For the last time, FSG do not sign players nor do they provide the money to do so. The money we get from transfers goes to LFC as a club and establishment. It does not go to FSG like you and many other fans like to rant about as clearly, you have no clue about this side of the club.

LFC is run separately as an entity with it's own staff and employees tho FSG hire people at the top end. Klopp and his scouting team work with the money men within the club (appointed by FSG) to get transfers done. FSG has NO input here. Now, they may step in in extraordinary circumstances like the Torres, Suarez and Cou issue BUT in the end, it is up to Klopp and his team with Mike Gordon who decide who comes and who goes as it has been w/ every manager under them. Stop talking crap, please cos you are helping to sew seeds of discord with such baseless rants and that is dishonest and unhelpful.

26 Jan 2018 18:23:03
Cheques existed in Shanks day but today obviously the club doesn’t use cheques.
The point is, the owners put the money/ funds in place and leave the football matters to the manager. Obviously they don’t use “money” either.

As far as I can tell FSG have put the funds in place and kept out of football matters. That’s all we can ask in my opinion.

{Ed002's Note - They left a suitcase behind that manky old sofa in the reception of the LFC head office in London.}

26 Jan 2018 19:54:32
The only thing I miss about Luis ( I squat for a piss ) Suarez is the song. That got the Kop bouncing.

26 Jan 2018 22:00:21
Has it got a headless torso in it ed? 😉.

{Ed002's Note - That reminds me of a localism tale of Hearne The Headless Huntsman. But sadly nothing but cash and some white powder.}

27 Jan 2018 00:16:43
The days of building a team for buttons it is now who can get the richest owners who will spend the most on players so us supporters need to stick with our great club but like players owners come and go the club will still be there hence the reason I asked in earlier post who paid for the vvd and others the club or the owners because the owners have duty to pay unlike the last men from USA who paid with money club did not have leaving us nearly out of business.

27 Jan 2018 23:20:52
Brover I thought I would check this again. You are so wrong on this post. VVD was bought by the owners they made all the decisions on this deal.

{Ed002's Note - he was a Klopp choice dealt with by the board on behalf of the owners.}

26 Jan 2018 02:23:06
Ed2, regards players whobare currently on loan. Is it possible that another club can agree a deal with that player's parent club while that player is on loan? Has it happened before?

{Ed002's Note - Do you has something specific in mind? Certain a loan is no more than that - for example there are clubs talking to Norwich about Ben Godfrey but he is on loan to the summer.}

26 Jan 2018 08:24:46
Yeah he’s on loan at Shrewsbury and I’ve seen him play a lot this season. I’ve heard a few prem teams are looking at him.

{Ed002's Note - Right.}

26 Jan 2018 10:33:17
no, nothing specific ed. was just wondering whether there is some kind of unwritten understanding between clubs that the laoned to club has first right to sign that player? and I'm only really thinking about more senior players, for instance james rodriguez on loan at bayern for a couple years and I think bayern has an option to buy at the end. I am not advocating we go for him or trying to confirm rumours just genuinely wondering about the logistics. say another club wanted rodriguez this jan, could they negotiate with real madrid to end the loan spell early so they could buy him this month? Is this seen as "not the thing to do" given bayern has an option to buy at the end of the 2 yr loan spell? hope that makes sense!

{Ed002's Note - Right, so that is slightly difference. Loan contracts (particularly in Italy) have clauses where the club the player is loaned to has an obligation to buy the player (a loan to buy) to which the player also has to agree in advance, or a loan with an option to buy (as per James) or a straight loan. In the case you mention, a loan with an option to buy, Liverpool can speak to Madrid but would need to wither have Bayern Munich drop their option or to buy them out of that option in order to strike a deal. Similarly there can be sales with an agreed fee for a "buy-back" (they are rare in England although one club uses them regularly) that works the same way as loan with an option to buy. If a club is interested in buying a player with a firm buy back clause then they must ask the other side drop that clause or pay them to drop it to complete the transfer (as Emre Can).}

26 Jan 2018 11:01:04
sounds like it could be doable, with a bit of negotiating to do with all the key parties.
excellent as always ed2 thank you.

26 Jan 2018 06:15:02
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 26th January 2018

26 Jan 2018 09:13:21
Cheers Ed1.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome.}